DID IT SUCK? | Doctor Who Flux FINALE [THE VANQUISHERS REVIEW]
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This week, Harry concludes his assessment of Doctor Who Flux by reviewing the final episode "The Vanquishers", followed by a summary and ranking of each individual episode of Series 13.
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Thanks for taking the bullet for those of us who can't abide Jodi's accent. Like watching a parody of someone from New Orleans try to be Cpt Kirk.
Myyyy Braaaainnnnnn
You should do a Review of flux as a all, i know long videos but it would be as the 9th says fantastic.
Another pair of villains the Doctor should have destroyed when s/he could.
I think it's wild that we have had three seasons now of the 13th Doctor but she hasn't had one moment alone for her own adventures, she always has companions with her at all times from the very beginning to now. There's no room for any Big Finish stories with the 13th Doctor on her own. They've even established how she is very much not used to travelling alone from that one episode last season. And the wildest thing is that Yaz, Dan, and Jericho spent three years alone doing their own travels, rife for Big Finish stories. We literally have more potential for Jericho stories than 13th Doctor stories.
Iwl I don’t even want them back for big finish. The writers would have to do a lot to redeem them in my eyes
Jericho stories? I'm in
I'm still baffled how no one's talking about Jerico being the star of the show.
Like he's been more the doctor then anyone else.
A classic Who doctor sure, one who gets bopped on the head alot but with the lovable wisdom and bravery.
I honestly think he was in episode 5 as an obvious fill in for the doctor. Damn great profermence!
@@DonHbankz Big finish did good 6th doctor stories they can manage
She's a shallow, poor Doctor who nobody enjoyed. The sooner she's gone, the better. Her recored will always be the worst and it will never be improved and she knows it. There's nothing as annoying as an ignorant, loudmouthed northener.
This series will forever be known to me as No Flux Given.
"All Fluxed Up" would be a good title too.
Based
Flux to the wall
Please never stop making these videos, I honestly find them 1000x more entertaining than the actual show itself... and the only real reason I'm still watching DW is to watch you slaughter each episode
I've started watching the review before the actual episode it's a review of.
I just skip the episodes all together and watch the reviews.. I tried for the first series but I just Fucking can't with this mess. I miss doctor who
THISSSS!!! The only reason I still invest time in this show is because I need to know about the episode so I can understand what Harry's criticisms and jokes etc mean 😂😂
True, but with RTD coming back, he definitely wouldn't stop now
I don't watch anymore I have harry here to do that for me lol
Remember that time when the doctor committed genocide and it took 3 incarnations and 2 show runners for them to come to terms with their actions. Really shows Chibnalls ingenuity to do all that in under 10 minutes
This is the first series of the show where I haven't even bothered to give it a fair shot, I've just watched your videos instead because I, generally, trust your judgement (I still haven't forgotten the Heaven Sent review Harry). I legitimately tried to love series 11 and I seriously attempted to like series 12, but if you can't accomplish in two series what Russel T Davies did for me in one episode, then you're clearly not worthy of showrunning this masterpiece of a TV show.
I haven't enjoyed Doctor Who since midseries 6.
@@NileSWPhotography I fell off around series 7, came back for the fiftieth and Capaldi's first two series and then barely watched series 10. I thought series 11's setup was just what the show needed to rejuvenate itself but alas, nay.
@@NileSWPhotography Jesus that's made me depressed. I haven't enjoyed it since series 4.
I simply never warmed to Matt Smith in the role (Love a lot of his other things). By the time I started coming round many other parts of the show had started grinding mainly "wobbly wobbly time whimy plot device" every week. I did appreciate the attempted complexity of everything going on although by the end of his run more of the ideas were misses due to how absurd and convoluted they were.
Capacity I liked more than Smith but the writing was atrocious and so much wasted potential.
The last 3 seasons....didn't even show signs of life. The Dr we wanted was a single ep villain for crying out loud
@@Javadamutt I warmed up to Matt’s doctor a little bit but mainly because I felt like I HAD to give him a chance after the sad farewell to Ten (RIP Legend). I liked series 5’s fairytale theme BUT, as you said, the writing SLIPPED. River was unbearable (constant riddles and one liners like … relax.) Clara was just annoying (if I start on her I’ll never stop) and Moffat can’t write a finale to save his skin. Series 5 finale was bearable but series 6 was just everywhere. Series 7-10 has been downright trash but I watched out of defence to my childhood favourite show. Series 11-13 I can’t even remember half the episodes and I know I’ve missed some of them. Didn’t even bother watching.
@@NileSWPhotography can't disagree with any of that. Digging a bit deeper, River was a great concept and probably one of the best part of the Era for me. Her introduction came in my fave two episodes of all time "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the dead" . The spoilers kinda worked as it worked as it was part of her characterisation however her run was heavily party of the Americanisation campyness plus the 42 solution as I called it.... "I happen to know the one piece of information that solves everything, nothing explains we working it out nor could you hope to understand it but here's the solution episode complete".
- The Chocolate Scene was insulting.
- For some reason, I really warmed to Vinder in this one. God knows why.
- What a waste of Kate.
- Did Jericho need to die? It just felt like "WE NEED A SAD BIT!"
- Using the Passenger to absorb the Flux was quite clever, I liked it, and didn't think of it myself.
Just remember, a lot of this might be going the way of the "Half-Human" stuff and just be ignored. Not explicitly removed, just not mentioned.
I agree that getting the passenger to remove the flux was interesting but it doesn't really make sense, like how he got there. The doctor didn't bring him through the tardis, and we don't really know If he is more living than machine or operates as just a tool by the time twins and we really don't get to see that idea develop because that question was not only brought up in the same episode but also minutes before his "sacrifice"
Also yeah I agree after a few years (hopefully without a cancelation) that this would probably be swept under the rug with ideas like the doctor being half human
@@Gundam_JAY Fair points. It just works for me as all we know about The Passenger is that it has a small universe's worth of space inside it, and that's enough for the resolution to work for me.
I’m surprised no one in any review I have watched has mentioned this:
Why do the Daleks need the Sontaran protection?
The Daleks we have seen them build and own and operate a void ship before. So why don’t they just go to the void again and move to the next universe?
The Daleks who created a reality bomb to destroy all universes and they would somehow survive in their ship the crucible.
So why do the Daleks need Sontaran help??
The void ship Daleks were sucked back into the void, along with the Cybermen, and said ship was constructed by the Cult of Skaro, a sect of daleks devoted to thinking outside the box, where most daleks were unable to think like that. The reality bomb was also helped along by Davros, an exceptionally intelligent individual who helped them understand the physics of the reality bomb and the crucible. However, the daleks in Flux are not really at the hight of their power yet, meaning it would be unlikely that they could construct a crucible or a void sphere. The technology of the void sphere was also constructed at the hight of the most powerful dalek empire ever, during the insanity of the time war, where both the Time Lords and the Daleks experimented with technology that was insanely dangerous. Ultimately I can see the daleks not having the resources or the imagination to properly protect themselves from the Flux, and the Cybermen are just less advanced. The Lupari, as a wider species, were interesting, as they appeared to be fairly advanced, so I didn’t really get how they could be wiped out.
But yeah, it can be argued that the daleks didn’t have the imagination or the technology to survive.
23:07 as someone from Liverpool, I can confirm that spiral has been there for years. I don’t have enough respect for Chibs as a writer to think he could use an environment to this effect
Yeah let's say it was unintentional, he doesn't deserve the credit 😂
Chibnall's era has so many missed opportunities. He had some good ideas, but he was absolutely terrible at executing them. I feel like flux might have suffered from having too many main characters and cuttable storylines. More time should have been spent developing the antagonists and those few characters that mattered (Dan, Kate Stewart, Jericho, etc). A big part of doctor who in the past has been the moral debate the doctor has when it comes to defeating the antagonists. Putting the doctor in charge of the flux should have been a serious dilemma. She could wipe out three of her worst enemies, but... should she? Is that too much power? I seem to remember twelve being mortified when Missy handed him an army of cybermen(correct me if I'm wrong).
Not to mention the way the daleks and cybermen were handled. At the very least, both races would have had plans in place to make sure the sontarans would hold up their end of the bargain, as well as to ensure their own continued existence.
In summary, Chibnall had some ideas, but he's a terrible writer with no idea how any of this actually works.
I even think that something could have been done with the Timeless Child concept, but it would have made more sense for it to be the Master or even Susan. Definitely not the Doctor. He has ideas that could be good in the hands of a decent writer, but Chibnall and his team take them in the worst possible direction every time.
I feel the same, I do like several of the stories in this era, actually a lot of them, and I did like 5 of the 6 episodes in this series, the only one I didn't like was this episode, something else that I have known Chibnall, unlike RTD or Moffat, isn't a fan of doctor who
@@alfredvickers4054 I always had this idea in the back of my mind of how there should have been just one cyber time lord that was following the legend of the timeless child with the goal of turning all the cybermen into time lords and creating a universe where there is no pain or death. The timeless child wouldn't have to the doctor. Wouldn't have to be anything more than a concept that everyone wants but no one can find.
I did like the idea of Karvanista ( the dog character)
And their laser axe.
To be honest let's be glad that RTD is coming back for season 14 so be glad that Chibnaill is leaving, it is a shame that Jodie is leaving as well, because it would have been nice to see how Russell could have written a story for Jodie, though he might have a chance because he is writing the anniversary, and the anniversary might be Jodie's final episode
I'm not optimistic about RTD returning yet. His Doctor Who existed in a VERY different time. Rose called the 9th Doctor gay and said in a negative and jokey way. A place where a black woman lusts after a scotsman and doesn't get requited love. Assuming that would even get past the politically correct henchmen at the BBC, the outrage around the world would be nuts. Racism and homophobia complaints everywhere. I'd love RTD back but will it be the same Dr Who we know and love? Hm.
@@NileSWPhotography at least RTD can actually write good stories, ignoring love and monsters, and at least he knows what the fans want, oh and also from what I have heard bad wolf entertainment (the production company) that makes doctor who has been brought by sony
@@NileSWPhotography Maybe they won’t complain if he makes jokes like those since RTD himself is gay.
@@NileSWPhotography You’re acting as if Rose’s joke calling the 9th gay which I don’t even remember or Martha’s unrequited crush on Ten was the make or break of the RTD era. If the new RTD era flops it won’t be because there isn’t an unappreciated Black companion having an unreciprocated crush on the Doctor.
@@jennacreighton8432 you took the wrong point from that I’m just saying we live in a very different time than the glory days. Now he’ll have more rules to follow is all I’m saying, he’ll have to push certain themes that, back then, probably wouldn’t have been pushed or even touched upon because everything was calmer
For most of these six episodes, it felt like Chibnall had a big grab bag of characters, plot devices and locations and just shook the bag and whatever fell out, that was the story of the week.
I feel so bad for the Grand Serpent, his character could’ve been so interesting. Also the fact that he always has snake patterns on his clothes is adorable
doesn't the snake pattern turn into his snake?
I also feel bad for Karvanista, Jericho and the Ravagers. Some competent writer could have done wonders with them, Chibnall just vanquished any potential (haha get it)
@@GreekHouseEffect yeah it just sucks. shame how the only Asian character existed to just be the girlfriend of another character and didn't have much of a personality other than really liking her boyfriend.
I agree, also the snake suffocation thing was really interesting.
So happy chibs is leaving, he's ruined the show
To use an analogy,
I'm not sure how anyone can uncrash an airplane out of the side of a mountain.
@@Ginger_FoxxVT the only man that can do that is rtd
10:58 Also 'Out the airlock' doesn't sound like a very Sontaran way to deal with things, they're bred for war, they love to fight. If they were just going to space them, why did they board the ship and fight Carbanista in the other shot.
My expectations were low…. BUT HOLY CRAP.
Timeless Child felt like a kick in the perineum, but at least it made some sort of sense.
Things I dislike about this season:
- Yaz has suddenly been given a huge intelligence stat increase where she's gone from just stating the obvious in previous seasons to now being able to fly the TARDIS and say timey-wimey things.
- That one-armed lady didn't really need to be there. So many characters could have been removed; she's the one I'd pick.
- So many cool big villains - Sontarans/Cybermen/Daleks/Snake man/the two Tweenies - but none of them really got any depth or worth of respect here.
- Every fight scene involved half a minute of missed laser shots while the heroes escape.
- The 'Flux' really just didn't seem as serious as it was supposed to be.
The Lupari dog people were cool though.
I was watching this episode live with my uni’s Doctor Who society and every single fucking person was audibly groaning at the trailer for the New Year’s special. It was fucking hilarious.
My problem with the plan of using the monster armies to cancel out the flux is the flux is a disaster designed to wipe out the entire universe. How on earth are a load of ships gonna be enough to cancel out the flux when it has consumed multiple galaxies?
I’m confused! Didn’t the flux go through our universe and the only reason earth was saved was because of the shield? Doesn’t that mean the sun and moon and all the other planets are toast? How is everything fine in the last episode? Shouldn’t the Earth be cold and dark, floating through the debris left after the flux?
I think we're meant to assume that as Swarm and Azure made a timeloop to kill the Doctor, they reversed the flux
@@zyphonwhite9853 I didn’t get that at all! Not saying you’re wrong just that it wasn’t clear enough for me. If time had been reversed then surely everyone who died should come back so all the doggies in the ships and the professor?
@@Vonononie I mean who knows, it's just a theory as it wasn't clarified at all in the episode but it seems the most likely outcome
@@zyphonwhite9853 that is actually true, after the flux was stopped the universe was reset, me and a friend of mine who always talk after an episode over the phone actually brought this up, mostly after the part where the doctor, Yaz, and Dan go off for more adventures, we were wondering what adventures are there, but yea then we remembered the loop thing
@@reeceemms1643 So does that mean that an entire series about the end of the entire Universe seriously had no consequences at all? Everything is just back as it was? So what was the point!?😂
I couldn't care less about the Flux plotline being a load of nothing, but I am mad about Swarm and to a lesser extent Azure being wasted like that.
Definitely, in the end, they were entirely pointless. I mean Azure could've been scrapped altogether as she added exactly nothing to the show; but Swarm was very intriguing and intimidating at the beginning. It all turned to nothing, though, just as it always does with Chibnall's interesting ideas.
If there trying to go all sciency with antimatter and matter canceling out, wouldn't the resulting explosion of even a single planet being wiped out be the largest explosion ever? Not to mention the other plannets, solar systems, stars, galaxys, and the dalek and cuberman ships
13th Doctor era is totally unwatchable. I really wanted to like it but it's awful.
For me, a fundamental problem throughout was that I was not clear about the nature of the Flux. Did the Flux vaporise planets or did it mess up time? It seemed to be "whatever's convenient".
It was explained (very poorly) that the Flux was a wave of Antimatter that 'compressed' spacetime
When they said all the lupars are dead I felt nothing
Almost every scene of every episode either poses a question that never gets answered, does a thing that never gets explained, or disposes of something without any reason. I honestly don't understand how a script so full of Whu? moments ever gets to the screen without someone saying "Whoa whoah whoah, Chibs, me old mate! This is just a series of events slamming into the back of each other like a ten-mile pile-up on the M62! You can't put that on telly!"
Chibnall proving (again) he is incapable of being a writer or showrunner. Best episode in this series was not written by him.
Can we also talk about the Dan character? Was it not an "all Liverpudlians are cheeky chappies, but completely stupid" stereotype? Had he worn a shellsuit, curly wig and shouted "calm-down/calm-down" every two minutes he could not have been any worse.
Apparently, we have to put up with more Chibnall 'specials', but please, please, please, please, please, RTD, assign this tripe to the cosmic bin.
Chibnall at least co-wrote "Village of the Angels".
It's likely he wrote all the Flux elements which held it back.
Which would make him even worse at the job.
@@SJ9001 He did which damaged the best episode and you could see the bits that he wrote. Bit like reading a great novel only to find someone has written some tripe in crayon every few pages.
The only redemption in this whole debacle is that Chibnall will be remembered for his cultural vandalism.
The characters of Claire and Jericho are so much better than any of the companions throughout the seasons (even the stunning, brave and brilliant bestest bestest ever Yaz) and yet were so wasted after this episode.
Unfortunately I don't think Davies is willing to redo 12's regeneration into a new 13 Doctor, and will instead try to build off of Chibnall''s garbage. That being said, there are some ways that these seasons could be made to make a bit more sense in retrospect. Such as declaring it all a simulation, maybe within the Matrix itself, controlled by the Master or Rassilon getting revenge for being exiled from Gallifrey. Or a dream induced by the Dream Lord/Valeyard. Both of these would explain the increasingly vast lack of any rationality, as it would be a kind of dream logic that falls apart more and more with the passage of time. Maybe an enemy of the Doctor wanted him/her to be confused about personal identity, history, the nature of the universe itself, as torture in order to get some information out of the Doctor or simply to psychologically break him/her. The Doctor not caring about people, even her own "close" companions, could be due to her sensing deep down that they aren't real. It is difficult to forge a genuine bond with an NPC in a video game, after all. This would also explain her doing morally questionable and even morally reprehensible actions, as it would then be comparable to a normal, well-adjusted person committing horrible crimes in a game like GTA because they know it isn't real, no one is actually getting hurt, whereas they would never do such things in real life. The simulation/dream scenario would also explain things like humanity's future in Orphan 55 not fitting with established lore (and the whole "one possible future that you can prevent" PSA contradicting the idea of fixed points and all that), or the Master's character arc being tossed away as if Series 10 never happened, or Gallifrey being destroyed again despite the 50th's emphatic "Gallifrey Falls No More." Another possibility that just occurred to me: Maybe Testimony captured the Doctor after Twice Upon a Time and put her into stasis, knowing how important the Doctor is and wanting to preserve her, perhaps at the behest of someone else, and so the Doctor is put into stasis in an induced dream or something. But if it is a larger simulation/prison, maybe a few of the other characters are actually fellow prisoners, who knows? The point is, something can be done to save the show. The question is, will it be done to save the show?
Idk, I thought John Bishop was great in the role, I really enjoyed him in the first two episodes. But after that he kinda got sidelined
From comments he's given on the timeless child it seems RTD is a fan of that storyline and wants to build on it
Just to going to mention one of the things that annoyed me the most is how inconsistent the flux was. Like it wipes out some planets but not others? It can't get through a ship shield which would certainly mean Daleks and Cybermen would have the tech to survive it pretty easily. I think the flux would have been far better off being a far slower moving wave across the universe that wipes out everything and mean everything. This way you have a far better time limit for the doctor and co to save as many races as possible and would give a far better reason for Daleks and Cybermen and other species to run from it. Also all of the villains went out in the lamest way. What was the point? The whole point of villains is for the hero to overcome them somehow.
Edit never mind about the passenger thing I think but it still doesn't quite make sense. I legit have memory wiped out this season as it was so badly written I watched to laugh at it.
Yea, also the whole thing with ‘you can’t escape it if you get too close because you will be stuck in its gravitational pull’ also makes no sense. It’s just anti-matter. The TARDIS can easily escape black holes. Even if the TARDIS can’t fly away why can’t it dematerialise? The flux is just anti matter after all. Same goes for the dalek ships and the cyber ships.
Actually the daleks and other species wouldn't have the technology be shielded from the flux because according to the show it's straight up anti matter and just automatically destroy whatever they had. And the reason the doctor and Kate think the lupari ships would be effective against the flux is because of their abundance they think that because there is so much matter to go through the flux will be hit at a stalemate because the number of matter is suppose to be higher than the speed of decomposition the flux has..... not sure fo that makes things better but I'm pretty sure that's the idea the show was trying to wrap around.
Also the idea that the flux is a slow burning natural disaster was probably what the makers were going for but it fell flat.
@@Gundam_JAY anti matter can be contained. We have literally made it in real life, although only a few atoms. We were able to stop it from interacting with any other matter by magnetic fields so the daleks and cybermen could most certainly shield themselves from it.
Just want to point out that if a paper clip of antimatter were to touch a paper clip of regular matter, the opposite particles would destroy each other and turn each other into pure energy and thus would result in a explosion powerful enough to destroy a city - basically equivalent to a few nuclear bombs. So how come when he doctor willingly lets genocide happen by trapping the daleks cybermen and Sontarans we don’t see the equivalent of a star being born every second of destruction. Also why can’t the cybermen, daleks and sontarans just teleport away? Why was the tardis unable to escape? The tardis is strong enough to easily pull ships out of a black hole
and tow planets halfway across galaxy superclusters. How come a bunch of anti matter have enough gravitational pull to stop it? Hell. If the gravitational pull of the flux is strong enough to do that then I don’t see how the earth doesn’t get ripped apart. Like literally. Anti matter is just regular matter with the opposite charge. Even if the tardis couldn’t physically escape why tf couldn’t it just dematerialise?
Chibnall’s writing is godly.
I just watched the episode Hide, and it massively knocked down my impression of Village of the Angels. Much like most of Chibnall's work, Village ended up being a worse copy of Hide, and the amount of parallels (everything from the island in space to the psychic characters) were laid bare after watching the series 7 episode.
Really? I see almost no resemblance between the two.
No no, hide was rewritten for the first lone cyberman episode
Agreed! Village of the Angels is just a rip off of Hide and Time of the Angels. There was nothing new or original in VotA.
Chibnall: *Fails... Again*
RTD: Fine, I'll do it myself...
the grand serpent actor is fucking great in line of duty which is a serious role and the script isn't doodoo
In my opinion, his role should have been as a Time Lord called "The Caddy"...
There is a literary style where each chapter finishes on a cliffhanger. It has a specific name (other than cliffhanger), but can't remember it. First heard it on a program about The Da Vince Code book since Dan Brown uses it a lot there. It can be done well and it can be done badly - very badly. If the last page of a chapter is the cliffhanger setup and the first page of the next chapter is the cliffhanger resolution then everything before and after is unrelated to this cliffhanger then it is just an obvious hook when a writer isn't confident the actual story will keep people reading without it.
The same is true here. Each episode finishes with something that is resolved in seconds in the next episode to try and keep the audience coming back week after week. Most blatant for me was Ep4/Ep5 - Doctor becomes a weeping angel and then doesn't; companions are stuck in a time-displaced village floating in the void and then they aren't. (All the Episodes did it, but this one was the most jarring for me.)
So guys, it's been 3 years. We have almost 30 episodes worth of Chibnall writing. Can we FINALLY agree he's a shitty writer? Or what? Do you really think the 3 specials next year are gonna change anything?
There are still people insisting that it's all planned out and that we're just impatient.
I thought we had already agreed that?
How many genocides has 13 acquiesced in? How often does she arbitrate morally-dubious "justice"? How incapable is she when it comes to making tough but necessary decisions? Even as the scripts fall apart at the foundations, 13's character stays the same: a callous, uncaring, pompous, sociopathic, intolerant, genocidal control-freak whose inconsistent morality is part of her personality ("My rules change all the time", anyone?). It's a clear personality. The trouble is, we usually call this type of character a "villain". How is this the only consistently-written element of the entire era, practically the only personality any character has/retains, and why does no one with access to the levers of power seem to realise that it's a problem?
My favourite part of this episode is that it confirms the doctor just had to wait 3 years after angels take manhattan and saved Amy and Rory
Right?? Amy and Rory's departure in 'The Angels Take Manhattan' was necessitated by the fact that the Doctor was unable to get to them once the angel got hold of them. Their timeline was forever out of his reach.
But here, the Doctor can just casually stroll back in time to get Claire!? Also, if the Doctor could save Claire, why did they choose to leave the little girl in 1901? Did everyone just forget about her? Guess so.
@@rkah6187 Tbf, in both of those instance, the Doctor observed that these people had already either survived to the future or died. He'd even been reading a book published by Amy though he hadn't gotten to the afterword yet. So I can technically see the reasoning. It's just one of those technicalities which draws a little too much attention to arbitrary rules put in place across different showrunners.
@@dublinjake I guess you have a point these. Honestly, I just wish they stopped forcing the Weeping Angels into everything. They were a great one-time villain but now their lore is just so convoluted that they lose all of their appeal.
Revisiting the Capaldi era? Best announcement for the next year
oh and one last thing, your other videos (non-DW related) are amazing too... even if they don't get many views you should keep making them because one day one of them will be shared on a twitter/insta account with loads of followers and they'll suddenly BOOM
Happy New Year! Thank's for the laughs, glad to be a patron
Yeah... WHAT THE ACTUAL F*** was Vindor's purpose? Correct me if I'm wrong (and I could be because I know I was zoned out a lot during about 4 out of the 6 episodes)... What the hell was his purpose? Also, Claire? ALL OF THEM xD
There was no purpose for Vindor. I kept thinking there was going to be one of those "oh, Jeez, more Chibnall destroying everything I love about the show", but not even that. There was no reason for him or for Bel. I think Chibnall throws all this stuff in because he had know idea what to do with his companions, so he just keeps shuffling them off to some side story and brings in new characters instead.
Gotta meet the ethnicity quota
I genuinely thought Chibs was going for gold by making Bel & Vinder the Doctor's parents. Cockteasing us with the Lungbarrow House, Tecteun's talk of the wormhole she found the TImeless Child near coming from the universe that would come after this one, Bel & Vinder knowing about dimensionally trascendant tech like TARDISes and Passengers. He gave the theorists quite a few hints and just went "lol jk they're irrelevant nobodies"
God thank you for making this season watchable, I think without your reviews, I would not have been able to get through all this garbage XD Watching you absolutely decimate this show is so hilarious and reminds me of the power of doctor who fans even when the show runners don’t give a rip about what the fans actually want. Thanks so much for your honest reviews, we all love to complain about this show with you! Hope to see these videos again when RTD returns!
The best thing about the chibbnal era are your reviews. If only you could do series boxsets so they could sit proudly on my shelf next to capalids boxes
Ummm product placement is the company paying the creators to feature their logo or product on screen, the BBC didn’t “get away” with it
I’m surprised you gave the last episode a 1/10 like god damn that’s generous
Hey so I've noticed you say it in a few videos and I don't think you know what product placement is
I'm not sure if it's meant to be a joke but Product Placement is when they're being paid to put a product on TV not just when a brand is in a shot.
The BBC is allowed to have brands in shot as long as they or the people who made the piece of entertainment weren't paid.
Thanks for the summary. By this episode/chapter, I was so tuning out the program, it was basically just on while I'm browsing. I 'saw' it from beginning to end, and still much of this is new to me.
Ravagers and Time was probably Chibnall trying to do his version of Thanos and Lady Death in the Marvel comics.
Anyone noticed the tension between Yaz and the Doctor at the end of this episode? Perhaps I was imagining things, but there was something happening there.
At least they didn't introduce Omega or Romana. I mean, they COULD have but thank god they didn't!
If they could get permission to use Omega even. The BBC doesn't have the rights to that character.
Chris Chibnall as the next doctor
So I just got around to finishing the series today and the last episode was pretty bad. Even with all the other confusing episodes, I will still able to follow along, but this one was just waaaaay too confusing for me. I also recently finished binge watching Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul. It makes me wonder how well Vince Gilligan would be able to write and direct episodes of Dr. Who considering how amazing the other two series are. I think there are a few things that can be done to make Dr. Who much better. The first of which would be to introduce morally ambiguous characters and situations (intentionally) and to treat them as such. Immediately, that would make the show more interesting as it will add suspense as to whether a character will make the right choice or whether the choices the make will end up being the right ones. Perhaps this could come in the form of time going awry and the Doctor being forced to choose between the timeline inhabited by the main companions and the existence of a timeline an episode's character is from. I also do like the idea of a series long story made up of mini-stories. It was handled poorly this time, but it can work really well if the choices that characters make have consequences later on (like a butterfly effect). I have an idea of what I'd like to see in a series of Doctor Who which is inspired by what made Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul such good shows.
1. Open the series with a teaser of the finale. This teaser would have to show something shocking and devastating such as a character becoming evil, the destruction of some place, reign of terror of a villain, etc.
2. Time goes awry (possibly as a result of the flux series) such that competing timelines converge on and diverge from each other making the now established multiverse unstable. During episodes, we would meet characters from these timeline fragments whose existences would be in danger due to the instability of the multiverse (broken fixed points determine which characters can exist and who will be wiped out of existence in the past, present, and future).
3. One of the characters met from the timeline fragments could be a situational villain fighting to defend their timeline and everyone in it from the threat of never existing in the first place. They could be a good person at heart, but their prioritization of their own timeline of others makes them desperate and an obstacle to the Doctor. Sympathy and tension regarding the character can be drawn by using visual effects to demonstrate their instability within the multiverse as they are always on the verge of being wiped from existence (like Rory was for a short period).
4. Along the way, we meet alternate versions or "variants" of well known characters. Perhaps they meet a version of the Master who has finally turned good (perhaps due to the death of the Doctor in their universe), a version of the Doctor who uses villainous means to achieve charitable ends, a version of Davros contemplating what the final nature of the Daleks should be, or the Doctor and Rose from the parallel universe (perhaps their existence would be at stake in the series to drive in some serious tension).
5. At some point, there should be a terrifying and highly threatening villain in the series. This villain can either be one that steals the show every time they appear or a much more stealthy villain that pulls off difficult operations almost effortlessly. Either way, every minute this villain is on screen, there should be extreme tension and suspense about what they'll do next.
6. The series should have some good character development for all the main characters. This means that they have to have good characterization from the start and they need to undergo some sort of change or process of change. How extreme this needs to go can vary, but it must be present to make the series worth watching.
Yeeeeeeesssss!!!!!! It’s a shame Swarm and Azure where wasted. I think they had a lot of potential. Some of the best original villains since 2005 in my opinion. I loved whenever they disintegrated someone. It was so satisfying.
Oh wow!! Better than the angels, the beast, the silence, house....? Really?
@@THIZZAVELI true. True.
Chibnall had 6 hours to do whatever he wanted and he still messed it up with a really confusing and disappointing ending, did the doctor commit genocide 3 times? Is earth the only planet left in the entire universe now that the flux has destroyed everything else? Will Russell save doctor who?
Ok i didn't watch this season and I'm not done with the review.. Did they have her commit genocide again after the ENITRE 50th anniversary and basicly the first 7 seasons of new who was all about him regretting committing genocide and trying to fix it..
@@mullaoslo yep the daleks and cybermen made a temporary alliance to survive the flux then the doctor screwed them all over and had them all killed by the flux, she didn't even question herself after or showed any regret at all
I hope Russell reboots the show and confines her to like the female ghostbusters,it never happened.
I think Kate appearing with the Tardis can probably be explained away with "It was under lock and key....until I turned up with more soldiers then the section on duty and bigger guns, at which point they gave me the key.."
Thanks for explaining this ep...I still have no idea what I just witnessed. Maybe alcohol helped
I think that’s all Chibnall’s era is - just a random load of great scenes like the reveals of the Master, some fun scenes with the Angels and so on but it’s surrounded by shite.
1/10 for the finale? A bit generous. I'd have given it a zero, straight up. By far, the worst finale in New Who 🙄
Pity that this version of the doctor never got a chance to shine. With Russell T davids coming back would of loved to see what he would have done. He also has alot of work cut out to try retcon these retcons though as it is.
To be honest your were quite generous with your scores
The whole Matter, Time and Anti-matter thing really does just make me think about Gen 4 pokemon.
There is one thing that came out of Flux, and that was the Evil Dan memes.
I'll be honest, I had the point and laugh for fun mentality simply because at the back of my mind I know RTD is coming back. If he wasn't or if it was still uncertain of what's happening next I would be extremely depressed right now.
I compare it to Batman and Robin. Knowing Nolan came after it we can point and laugh with and at it... but in 1997/1998... Not so much.
I swear Chris didn't actually know what he was writing and the reason why is because he used an AI generator.
I'm a writer myself, well I'm learning to be a writer, and even when I write something that's bad at least the story still makes sense
I still don’t know what the hell happened this entire series. Was there a point to any of Flux that I missed?
Not sure what could have made The Flux better but maybe it may have worked if the Sontaron plan reveal would have been kept secret without the episode of Sontarons on horse . Also now i think Chocholate bars consumation either increased by 25% or decreased by 75% after The Flux
I would argue in the case of product placement, they would probably just use the same permissions they get for shows like EastEnders which is supposed to reflect on real life if a character enters a shop for example; it would be weird if everything in the shop wasn't our own branding.
Most companies pay places like the BBC to show their products. Perhaps in this case it was done for free since, yknow, they needed a corner shop scene anyway? 😅
Chibnall and Whittaker have killed this show. Be a miracle if RTD can salvage it with series 14.
glad to be a patreon
So has the universe be destroyed or not
It had been but then it was reset by swarm, he said in the episode they would have it play on a loop and supposedly after the flux was defeated the loop reset only that time their was no flux, didn't really make it that obvious
I’m gonna have fun watching this one
I’m probably the only person who noticed it was in the background, but vitamin C is a great song
Cya in 2021 Harry, Merry Christmas 😊😊👍👍
9:23 lockdown mood
Drink whenever you see a yellow time/place label!
I just can't care. The only reason anyone is watching is because "Doctor Who" is in the title. Some misguided loyalty to a show that has been dying on it's arse since Capaldi's era, with Whittaker being both the hammer AND nails to keep this coffin closed forever.
If it wasn't for the chance of RTD coming back and making the show good again, I'd have said it needs to go away for 5 years and start again. It's a shambles in every possible way.
Also, can someone please gather up all the money and get Murray Gold back to do the music?
My own take on Flux was that it seemed a bit overwhelming. I think I prefer clever, varied and original little stories that fit tightly into a sub-60 minute segment than effects-laden explosions of ideas that go on for several hours (albeit serialised in Dr Who). As someone said recently about modern superhero movies - they are getting more like theme park rides than actual film stories.
BENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNIEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tOO GenerouS
Is it really that bad?
Or do you just have a Chib on your shoulder?
No, actually it is that bad.
why have you ignored the thasmine at the end
also if the ships realigned closer to the earth then the surface area would have decreased. So what happened to the spare ships
Glad i skipped this season. I watched the last one and thought it was awful. I think my biggest issue was that Yaz’s character was about as poorly written as Rey from the new Star Wars trilogy.
Overall this is Whittaker’s best season but it still pales in comparison to the eras of Tennant, Smith & Eccleston
Nah. The first season he’ll even the second season excluding the timeless child plot we’re both better than this.
simpson hit and run halloween music?
18:52 At least the Dalek/Cybermen ships looked soooo much better than the FX from "Rise of Skywalker".
RTD can fix this very easy, The show starts with a black screen, camera slowly pulls back to show a closed eyelid, Suddenly the eye opens, camera pulls back more to a sweaty, startled familiar face laying flat down on the floor of the Tardis, It the 12th Doctor (Peter Capaldi) ! he jumps up and says "That was a HORRIBLE NIGHTMARE !!!" ,(effectively erasing all of Chibnall's crap) and goes on to figure out what Evil Beings hacked his brain and made him think he was a women to keep him busy while they threaten the fabric of time or something, then he regenerates into a new male Doctor. Fixed that easy , because it was all a bad DREAM...
He would never do that in a million years. He's very good friends with Chris Chibnall and has indicated he actually likes some of his era to some extent. I don't think he's going to touch it anyways, because why do that? A new Doctor & a new showrunner is typically time for a soft reboot. No need to weigh down the new era with the baggage of the previous.
Also I just going to say, wasn't it the fans who asked for a female doctor
@@reeceemms1643 No, the fans did NOT ask for a female Doctor.
@@barbarahoran4201 well someone asked for a female doctor
Short answer? yup
Jody amazing gaze reimagined stunning empowering
chocolate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How am I not surprised that it was a disaster, honestly!
Out of curiosity, what rating would you give Flux as a whole? Perhaps a 2/5, like the finale, or a 3.5/10, which is the average for the entire season based on your individual episode scores.
21/60 if you add it all up
I haven't watched Doctor Who since season 11. I gave up. This programme is dead. Took over 50 years, but it's gone. One more victim of the current culture we live in. I hate life.
start at 2:09
It's insane stuff that only DR Who can get away with 🤣🤣🤣🤣
This made Last of the Time Lords look like Parting of the Ways.
It's so frustrating because honestly, there were elements that were actually kinda solid! The Doctor being a flirt with herself, the interrogation, The Doctor talking to time about her near end, and the scene in the TARDIS talking to Yaz and dropping the watch to be kept away were good! But Chibnall tried again to wrap up everything at once and it just fell apart. Villains gone in a snap, no mention of Tecteun, the house, nothing. We have specials coming up that might answer WTF happened, but as of now... it's frustrating and disappointing.
22/60 for the whole of Doctor Who: Flux = 36.67% That's a MEGA FAIL, Chibbers.
Why is everyone saying that all the lupari are close to carvanista? We do not know if he uses luparian or division weapons, +he, is, in fact, a dog analog of James bond, and other luparian are civilians.
Khan = ruler & master...
I dunno if this was just me or not, but in that final scene in the actual episode (the one at 22:13), I had captions on, The Doctor said something, but there was just... no voice? And he responds to it with voice. The music plays the whole time so it's as if they just... forgot to include the voice over? Please tell me this wasn't just me, because oh man what an oversight.
Do me a favour and go on Iplayer and give me a rough time stamp. I've had a watch of the final scene and I am struggling to see what you are referring to. I don't think you are liar, I just need you to be specific so I can see what you are talking about.
Well, the personification of time is consistent with the wider doctor who mythos, as before the logical reality that doctor who exists in now the universe was highly chaotic, with many beings existing then that don’t now.
However, though I did enjoy Flux, it was pretty disjointed, needed to be written better, and needed more darkness and consistency (e.g. the universe has been utterly ravaged, yet the cybermen, daleks, and sontarans are fine? Like, that doesn’t make sense.) Also, it’s 2021 in said universe and Vinder knows about esoteric time lord/time war tech? Like, what? Empires more ancient than that have struggled to properly understand any of that.