We Have Our First Heated Debate - Leftovers #3
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From Trisha talking about James Charles to Ethans mom talking about butterflies to Hasan talking about American economic imperialism and somehow I’ve kept up the entire time.
LMAO what does that say about us!?
the range.. chefs kiss :)
This is so good I want to send it to someone but I know I’m to deep in this community for anyone in my life to witness this humour 😭
Well rounded education
aai
gotta give props to Ethan, instead of making another drama channel that Trisha could use against him he made an entire show where she wouldnt understand anything they were talking about
Kinda a low blow but still funny as shit LMAO
Trisha doesn't even know what gravity is lol
😂😂😂😂 fr
Lmfao
@@kereiseres8245 lmfaooo
The conversation about paying people fairly was amazing. A lot of people got a good cliff notes on what socialism actually means. I only have one question. In a Marxist utopia, is there a viable mechanism for Ethan to take that five percent?
LMAO
He would still take that 5%! Lmao!
What's the 5% thing I keep seeing it
pinkmatter Trisha was mad because Ethan made 5% more than she did on frenemies. He paid her 45% of the profits, taking 5% for production costs (in my opinion, it’s completely fair considering his team did all of the work).
@@pinkmatter8488 A reference to a conflict that Ethan had with Trisha Paytas. They made a show called Frenemies, and instead of splitting the income 50/50, he "took" an additional 5% to cover the cost for production etc.
And during their recurring conflicts, Trisha always brought these five percent up, which she thought Ethan had completely unjustifiably stolen from her.
really looking forward to hasan radicalizing ethan slowly over the course of this podcast
What does radicalizing mean
@@michellenoonan2615 this is just a dictionary definition but:
To cause (someone) to adopt radical positions on political or social issues.
"some of those involved had been radicalized by the Vietnam War"
“Radical” means “to the root”. People who are radicalized want to see and get beyond the surface of a problem, and deal with it.
@@kissedbyfirewyrms7312 great response!
@@kissedbyfirewyrms7312 that's not what anyone means by radicalize. Have you been on the internet or like any experience in US politics for the last 10 years.
When people say radicalize they mean for their view to become more and more extreme. For example we can have a standered conservative that thinks women should be more modest, then slowly over times he begins to think women shouldnt go to college, women shouldn't drive, and women should basicaly be slaves to their husband's. That is radicalization.
I know we always dog on Ethan for interrupting people but his ability to really listen to someone and adapt his point of view to what they have to say is really admirable and I wish more people were like that
He’s come along way tbh
I don’t think Ethan does it on purpose tbh , i know plenty of people who interrupt without even realizing it lol
Totally agree. People often forget that he’s used to either hosting with Hila who is fairly reserved and quiet, or hosting by himself with the rest of the crew periodically chiming in. The vast majority of the time he has to talk constantly to keep the show going. A lot of people on the H3 sub gave him a hard time about interrupting but he just needed to adjust to a different conversational format and he’s already made huge strides at episode 3.
It's nice to see someone become more progressive as they age instead of more conservative, gives me hope even if I'm watching my mother become a Neoliberal from a socialist.
agreed - i think with hasan the interruptions are helpful to keep the convo going, theyre both great speakers and ethans interruption dont ever feel out of place. theyve got great back & forth
I love the moment where Ethan thinks to himself "what possible actual complaint could I have about universal home ownership?" and thinks of nothing and is immediately on board. That my friends, is how you stay intellectually honest.
That was a really nice moment, I wonder if Ethan will wake up in a cold sweat now realizing he has been a conservative all along 🤣
I was so pleasantly surprised there, I gained a ton of respect for Ethan after that exchange. You can tell he initially was like "That sounds stupid" but then instead of doubling down on his preconceived beliefs, he actually stopped, thought about it with an open mind, and then came around to "Actually that sounds like a pretty good idea." I can count the amount of times I've seen someone do that online on one hand.
I actually think everybody in society could do with a lot more of this! We are so concerned with being right or getting the ego hit, it never occurs to us that somebody else might actually have some really good points.
Does someone have a timestamp for this?
@@alisunwonderland4242 I’ve always been of the mindset that as long whatever program that’s trying to be pushed doesn’t affect lower class and lower middle class people who live pay check to pay check then whatever go for it. If we start getting taxed more where it’s like oh I noticed that extra $100 come out of my paycheck what the heck just happened? Then it’s like dude wtf
So nice that Ethan has someone to have HEALTHY debates with. No hurt feelings or storming off set. It's just great conversation. I want the podcast to go for at least 3 hours. And it should end with pizza!
Always good to end with pizza 🍕!
just not dominos. can’t invite that negative energy.
I think it should start with pizza 🍕
@@aydenmcmillen7782 yeah time to go back to the Papa!
Ethan should be rewarded for any healthy disagreement with pizza.
I forgot that it was possible for people to have a respectful debate
You know things are bad when you realise respectful debates arent really a thing on the MSM anymore.
Clickbait: "A respectful debate. Nobody owns anybody."
It's because there's no one here who's entire ideology revolves around hating other people.
Ethan was sweating as Hasan explained how he pays his team.
LOL! Exactly.
time stamp pls
😂😂
@@corork about 21:01 is when they start talking about it
*crew starts taking notes* 😂
Ethan's face after he asked Hasan if everyone should own a house and he said yes lmao. the security of at having a home where there's no threat of being thrown out on the streets is absolutely essential.
I think Ethan will completely switch to Hasan's side towards the end of this whole show. He seems compelled by the ideas.
@@ddss7272 I feel like it would take a while for him to really change his ideals but he definitely seems open to understanding Hasan
i think it’s because he still believe house is property when hasan thinks house is shelter.
@@psychoticsickhypnotic such a good point! wow
Anyone that rents could own a house right now at a lower monthly cost. It's insane. The only problem is to get the deposit payed and banks accepting to loan it. I guess people can afford a higher rent, but not a mortgage that would allow them to have a more fulfilling life... Absolutely shameful racket!
Hearing americans, especially those with big platforms, acknowledge the major part the US had (and has) in overthrowing socialist governments in south america is so validating. I feel that isn't talked about nearly enough.
Blame the NA education. Our history classes are more a highlight reel of the cool stuff we did in WW2.
@@TryingIGuess what type of education are you getting? Lol I learned about all the bad things the US did, maybe my school is anomaly.
@@TryingIGuess They're also straight-up brainwash. I didn't know about all the shit that the CIA did in the middle east and south america until I grew up and researched for myself. Hell I didn't even know about the race massacres we did here in the US. Slavery was discussed as a tiny dot on the "Great american timeline" where the rich white man was actually helping the slaves by providing accommodation and the slaves returned the favor by working for him lol. Although I think the slavery part differs from state to state (I am in a red state), the imperialism part is pretty universally excluded from the textbooks and curriculum all across the country
It blew my mind when I was told about how the US invaded DR and then it was followed by several years of dictatorship. I would have never learned this would it have not been for meeting actual Dominicans born, raised, and living there.
@@DivinesLegacy Bumfuck Arizona education :)
Looks like Dan and the crew deserve a raise.
I think Ethan pays his employees very well. They've discussed it before. And he says in this that he asks them what they want to earn and pays them at least that.
I’m sure he gets paid well and is happy but Dan ALWAYS deserves a raise.
don’t let the fact that the leftovers gets less engagement discourage you! i love this!!! not everyone’s gonna watch politics but for those who do it’s great
It's the best segment besides After Dark
@@gregorB92 then don’t watch it! :)
@@gregorB92 like i said for those who do it’s great
I think he has to know it won’t do views like after dark or anything else where they discuss Internet drama. He even says in this video that leftists rarely get views or money.
I dont love the show at all I actually dislike it but I agree with you.
Just a quick note about Norway's welfare state. It was created before we found the oil when we were piss poor.
Good
wow love that
Thanks for the clarification, it makes an even better argument.
The Norwegian government owns a very large portion of the economy as well (as a percentage of GDP, not majority owners of most businesses). And the sovereign wealth fund buys shares in American companies and real estate. We might be to able trick right wingers into supporting us doing that in America by riling up the nationalism: “foreigners are buying our country!!! We have to have a sovereign wealth fund so we can buy businesses in Norway and Saudi Arabia to beat the dirty foreigners and be number 1 again!!!!”
probably the reason for being able to not squander away the oil proceeds from the public.
It’s nice to hear in depth political convos from Hasan without him getting stunlocked by dumb chatters lmao
You say that but you know we love watching this himbo malding
"You know what I'm just gonna give you a little time out" *click*
So true!
He is not capable of deep political conversations, alas
This is all surface scratching
I got so happy when Hasan said people are allowed to change… back in 2016 I watched crowder and acting really got into his beliefs. Now In 2021 I can’t stand the fact I did. Thanks Ethan and hasan ☮️❤️
You was so much smarter before
Pecker is very naive. He lives in fantasy world. In theory these practices sound great but based on human nature these ideals are not feasible
Cuba had all the same wants and believes and tried it’s hardest to make it work
You don’t understand humans to think these things will work there will always be greed and people with skills that raise up it’s not bad
@@TheDegenerateTravler if we are justifying economic systems with human nature then it can be argued that socialism aligns with human nature. Even more so than capitalism. Humans are naturally social creatures that live in large complex groups, and all work together to survive. There’s even evidence to show that human tribes with more altruistic and caring members thrived more, and their genes were passed on more than those who weren’t. (Look up biological altruism!) Of course humans are still selfish and have self interest, but that doesn’t mean we always act on those traits. Wouldn’t it be better to have a system that stays true to human nature or at least shows the best of human qualities rather than one that plays on the selfishness in us and allows the minority to exploit and abuse the majority?
@@tunasub6111 I’m not reading your essay you just wrote.
You are naive and don’t understand people or history to believe socialism could or has worked on large scale making up millions of people in a country.
@@tunasub6111 if you have ten people socialism works
With millions of people it’s impossible
If you’re trying to convince people that it’s better to live in small tribes off of the grid than maybe that would work for less than 1% of people
But the rest of the 99% of people aren’t going to want to live that way
it can’t work on a large scale with the technology we have today
I'm glad we got a more theory focused first half. I'm still here for the goofs and jokes, but it's nice that those sorts of discussions can also happen from time to time!
It was insanely informative, and the dynamic between the two of them was perfect.
it can be a bit "JRE"-ish in that they can go in depth about a few ideas and concepts then have some stupid ass moments
just less ape, more himbo
Too bad Hasan doesn't understand theory. I love the dude, he's not stupid and they're common misconceptions, but it's a huge weak spot. He just got a bunch of stuff completely wrong. (About wage labour for example)
t's fine if he wants to advocate for 'democratic socialism' or some other form of socialism, but he calls it marxism and it's not. Marx was *very clear* about the *abolishment* of wage labour, for example, whereas Hasan calls 'marxism is no wages' a right-wing misconception. Marxism literally does mean no wages!
You'd be better off reading a book, man. I can correct some of the wrong things he said if you're interested to hear.
@@GijsInc I understand the frustration, but I think it's hard to talk about this stuff off-the-cuff to an audience that could well be hearing it for the first time. I think it's still nice that it's a potential starting point into more reading for many.
I'm not very well educated on this subject and it has been a few days since I listened to this episode so you may correct me, but I think when Hasan says that, he means to combat the usual right-wing point of "socialism is when poor" and happens to use the word 'wage' when he means to say earning income in general. I might remember the conversation entirely wrong though.
It shouldn't even be a question if everyone should own a home.
You should only have a house if you pay for it
@@hc433 Everyone should have a house. Even those who don’t work.
@@k1221nirvana a house or housing? There’s a difference and I think that’s why people are stuck on it.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is literally cucking themselves to appease their landlords
@@hc433 under the current system, sure
The conversation about paying people has been a highlight of the podcast for me so far.
Timestamp?
@@ladyduke7 21:40
right? they are both so intelligent blows my mind
@@kicka55 what?
@@kicka55 That’s where you’re wrong those thousands of streamers to pay him are doing that for entertainment they’re paying for entertainment and he is giving them entertainment you don’t go to the movies and tell the actors to pay you do you? No you go to the movies for entertainment and you pay to watch the movie
I love how Hasan framed his business as focusing on sustainability not infinite growth
Yesssss...not all business needs to become big business!
Also, hi Savy ;)
@@recklessmermaid who said this is Savy 😉
@G G one person going vegan isn't going to save the world. Going vegan overall isn't going to save the planet when majority of the emissions harming the earth come from like 100 companies. An individual's effort won't make a lick of difference if we do nothing about big corporations polluting the earth.
@@yourmorningguru4341 lmao shoulda known it would be RK using this account to keep your true identity hidden
@@Nawkt It is an ethical choice. I am just wondering how people can justify exploitation of *sentient* beings when they have an ability not to engage in such behaviour...
I think a big reason why Ethan says he's a capitalist and talks about win-win situations with regards to himself paying his editors etc. is the TH-cam bubble he exists in. The big majority of labor on this earth is not TH-cam or small businesses where you're friends with your boss, the majority of workers work in nameless faceless heartless gigantic businesses and factories, where they are definitely being exploited.
Just because there is a way to have a worker-boss relationship that is cool and dandy, doesn't mean it's the reality for 99% of people on this planet.
Everyone behind the scenes of one of the biggest podcasts on youtube should be able to buy a home safely, obviously not outright drop cash on a house but pay a mortgage
@QueHubo Parcero same never again I didn’t go that far though lol
Good point! But Ethan cannot be totally excused though, he spoke about having shit job himself and he must know rationally the power imbalance that exists
I think people like you confuse capitalism with corporate capitalism, these two are not identical
Yeah its seems inevitable that the more wealthy you become the more out of touch you also become.
Hasan's face and shock at the Quaterpounder peeing himself is the funniest thing ever
Quarterpounder 😂😂😂
@@sybill123ful sometimes TH-cam will glitch and comments will go on the wrong comment.
@@sybill123ful nvm she commented on a bunch to get attention.
@@aaroneusjames2342 lmao
NOOOOOO NOT THE QUARTER POUNDER
And this is the moment where Leftovers hits its stride. Absolutely loved this conversation, love how you both offered your unique perspectives and attempted to learn more from each other. I know these episodes aren’t performing as well as the other stuff and it’s probably harder to get sponsors but I’d definitely support via Patreon to help fill that gap. I watch every minute of content on this channel but I think this show is the most important.
literally makes millions of preaching that he wants socialism, which would mean that his earning should be redistributed to small streamers with 30 viewers because they're doing equal work for unequal pay. SJWs are so fucking stupid it's mind blowing. Also, he said chappelle is transphobic lmfao
@@devinmcgroot7560 thats not what it means. It means you own the value of your labor
@@davidberry7115 also how is he arguing that Chappelle is not transphobic? I think even Dave himself would say he is. I think he’s one of the greatest comedians of all time but he kind of slipped up on this last one and they weren’t even funny jokes. If you’re gonna do dark humor make sure it lands. But yeah I hate when people try to argue against a fake assumption of how socialism and Communism works. You are entitled to the fruits of your labor and who’s to say streamers with 30 followers are working as hard. There’s lots of behind the scenes stuff that we wouldn’t know if they do everything Hasan does. Idk this guy is just stupid and literally made a strawman argument for each of his dumb points, it’s almost impressive how ignorant they are
@@devinmcgroot7560 Hasan is a socialist. Not a communist.
over time, these dumbass hawgs will continue to dig themselves deeper into dumbass holes. As a result, this show will only get more and more popular ;p. As we can see with this guy @Devin McGroot here =D. Leftovers is really ahead of its time!
This was a huge step forward for this show. The past shows weren't bad but now y'all seem to be getting the hang of it and it's turned out great. Loved this one can't wait for the next one
When Ethan said "I'm a capitalist" I felt the fight coming
He will slowly be radicalized over the course of this podcast, watch. Hasan has such a great way of getting through to people on a human level in discussion and helping them realize their social conditioning
@@rentaltoast2201 I predict the same thing. Before 2020 I was in the same position as Ethan - a socdem. Then of course the pandemic happened, then George Floyd, then January 6th, how could you not become radicalized? Anyway, Ethan seems very open to change his mind on a lot of things, and I imagine exposure to real explanations of socialist ideals will at least push him more left.
he’s said it to hasan before haha
@@liamb5378 which is fine, it's a joke/comment about knowing what Hasan's reaction would be, which was to debate him and try to change his mind.
And I really enjoyed the conversation that came from that statement, it was nice to see Ethan disagree with someone and not feel like walking on eggshells, and it was nice to see two people disagree but also be so willing to talk the differences out without resorting to yelling or name-calling
I could feel dan and zach start to think of some new numbers!
I wanna hear Hasan’s opinion on the 5% from a socialist perspective
Best comment
Ethan was exploiting Trisha’s means of production by 5% 😳
He takes that 5%.
YESS
HELP LMAO
If you’re willingly peeing into a drain in your basement, don’t be shocked when your wife is getting pizza without you, that’s all I’m saying.
Well said
omg lmao
She's definitely enjoying that weekly sausage pizza without him
She doesn't actually go to the pizza shop to eat pizza
@@kevinlopez8900 Having some sausage away from him if you know what I mean
Listening to this podcast is just breaking my heart again. For something close to home read up on the effect of US aid on Jamaica in the 80s and 90s. America bullied Jamaica out of the global economy and then drove it into the ground. As someone who is not American I 100% understand Hassan. The Caribbean is treated like the shithole of America. :(
facts.
Coming from a colonised country that then became "independent" once there was little left to reap, I feel ya.
Fr America just doesn't mind their business and love getting involved in things that has nothing to do with them and they get surprised that 9/11 happened 😑
@@dundundun430 someone call office depot cause this fax machine be spittin
Haiti is the poorest country in the western hemisphere largely due to American economic sanctions. Those sanctions were a reaction to Haiti being the only successful slave revolt in the world. These sanctions still exist today post slavery
Leftovers really coming into it’s own. I started work in a restaurant kitchen this week. I was the dishwasher and did some food prep. Was told I could not take a break for a seven hour shift, which is illegal in the UK. After hearing that, it was my last shift. Also left because of health reasons. Everything Hasan says is true.
I work in the resturant industry in the US. Early day time cafe type deal. Breaks are given only if you seem to desperately need it. Even then good luck. They push us to our absolute limit on the line. On dish. Everywhere.Part of me really enjoyed it in the beginning, but over time as our sales have increased and our volume is now so much larger, all the negatives hasan talks about here have started to show. Most days I dont have time or energy to eat before my shift. We have to yell at servers to bring us water so we dont pass out on the line over the grills during hours and hours of cooking and pushing tickets. It bothers me that our health and our needs are second to the company goal: turn a profit. I love my managers, I love my co workers. They make it a lot easier. But being able to find a silver linning in piles of dog shit is sort of irrelevant.
Edit: In this industry when you are fighting to get to a place in the day where you can take a drink, take a piss, grab a snack for energy, and you still are made to feel like you are being inefficient because of it, is disturbing.
Good for you! Hospitality in my country is also like hugely exploitative, one of my friends has created a hospo union to combat some of the shit that owners and managers try to pull.
Sorry to hear - you did the right thing. I hope you're able to find valuable work soon 💗
Past 15 year old me who was told I can't take breaks as a host because "the restaurant industry is different" is proud of you. Fuck exploitative employers.
@@void9938 a hostess that works at my store always looks so drained. She comes to the kitchen to get sugar for her coffee and I always ask her how she is feeling. She always says, " I would feel better if I got to sit down" and it makes me feel awful for her. I mean Im on my feet all day too, but I don't have to deal with disrespectful customers all day.
I genuinely wonder if Ethan would be as pro-Capitalism as he is if his youtube career had never happened and he was still having to sell weed or work a normal job to get by. Often I think the only way anyone can see it as an amazing system is if they've managed to 'crack' it and avoid the exploitation conundrum of 'maximum labour/hours for minimal pay' that the majority of the population experiences
Bingo
Truly!!
Yeah, he’s definitely speaking from a place of privilege and being a business owner does impact the way he thinks. Ngl I’m hoping Hasan radicalizes him a bit more.
@@Tu-mai i have a strong feeling he will, ethan has been heading more and more in that direction over the years. he seems to be a genuinely compensation and intellectual person who cares deeply about learning and improving
@@cheekybananaboy3361 For sure, hasan is the guy for that job. When he speaks ethan really seems to listen, because he knows that hasan has like a wealth of knowledge basically and he can just ask him whatever questions he wants. It’s a great dynamic
first episode: *making fun of crowder*
third episode: *deep conversations about the nature of socialism and its benefits*
guys hasan is our trojan horse lmao
hes a champagne socialist who says things like "im anti imperialist but also which tesla model should i buy guys"
@@auto144p6 pretty sure saying that he's buying a tesla was a joke. He hates teslas lmao. I'm tired of this take.
@@smellycat57 he drove in them and unironically asked for weeks straight what model he should get..... dude.... come on.
@@smellycat57 i think hasan does more good than bad but you're actually crazy if you don't think hes worthy of heavy criticism. he's also insanely hypocritical and like much of his and h3's liberal fanbase, horribly inconsistent with their views and ideologies.
@@auto144p6 wasn't that a rental or something? If you saw the streams he was trash talking the tesla he was driving. He does not want a tesla lmao.
In the end, I don't know Hasan and neither do you so we can't say what he wants to buy or not.
Also, I never said he's not worthy of criticism. Why did you say that? Everyone is worthy of heavy criticism. No one isn't.
It’s so cute when hasan is using a word a lot and Ethan doesn’t know the word and by the end of the episode Ethan is also using the word like he’s known it all his life
The H3 team listening to Hansan talk about how he compensates his team 👀👀👀
I missed that part, what did he say?
i felt bad when the camera turned to dan LOL
@@emyyyxx he didn't look very happy hahaha
Time stamp?
@capt truth it absolute would
Hasan and Ethan make such a good Host Duo because Ethan is so curious about everything and constantly questions everything Hasan says, making the conversation get as deep as possible. Thank you!
Everyone around me is either a Neolib or a straight up Neonazi 🤷🏼♂️ So I literally don't even know anyone who will even listen to me... It makes me really appreciate someone like Ethan and his good intentions... Having a genuine interest in being informed means he's already half way there
Exactly. Ethan isn’t afraid to learn it all on our behalf. His education is our education.
it was precious how multiple times ethan asked something, and hasan was like "well that's my *second* point"
Hasan be like socialism is where the value of wealth make as much as possible without paying his editor.
@@protennis365 he literally says he pays his editors half the revenue of his TH-cam channel. He just doesn’t pay them any of his twitch revenue bc they do practically nothing on the twitch side of things. He pays his many twitch mods very well and a percentage of his ad revenue. He pays his people depending on the work they do. Which is how that works literally everywhere. You ignorant mouth breather
The conversation between Hasan and Ethan on having and paying employees was really great and unique.
It showcased how knowledge can dictate an argument though :/ Ethan was definitely trying to make a point and one he could possibly back up but Hasan steamrolled him with the statistics supporting his side, overall good argument
@@thecameraman3435 well obviously... Why would a lack of knowledge be able to dictate an argument? Did you even think about what you're saying?
I gotta agree with Ethan. It's not a good luck to say you don't wanna be a manager and give your editors HALF of your money??? That's giving away too much and over complicating things. If I was an editor for him, triple the standard amount is more than fine because you can live off of that and I'm sure you could live very well off of that.
It's so odd to me when people are politically motivated and rich because they act like the act of them making money or too much is a problem. Would you rather be poor? You don't have to rob your audience(even though they're willingly giving money) but you can try more.
@@thecameraman3435 I get Ethan. It's kinda odd to give out half of your revenue. You can earn triple the standard wage and live a healthy life I'm sure.
Ethan should be more like Joe Rogan, just say what's on his mind without much thought
and let Hasan push back and use that as a dynamic between them
Hasan with that Grandma drip. Light blue sweater, pearl necklace, round glasses. Sheeesh. 👵
And he makes it look GOOOOOD
I think Ethan doesn't realize the median salary in the US is $31,000 a year ... Which would mean for someone to reach a million dollars it would take them more than 32 years of spending $0 every year and saving every cent. Someone making a "few million dollars a year" is WAY MORE than he is making it seem
Meanwhile I'm out here choosing between paying my student loans and getting medicine for my autoimmune disorder. I'm not a bitter person, they both earned their money but Ethan speaking so bluntly about it can feel alienating sometimes.
I’m glad someone brought this up. I really appreciated the conversation in this episode more than most Leftovers but when I heard that I had a really bad taste in my mouth. I completely agree that the multi billionaires are ridiculous generally and even in comparison to their “ mere millions”. However, it seems like they use the billionaires to justify that their wealth is the “appropriate” or “reasonable” amount. Like, what makes it appropriate is that is the amount that they make. A tad egocentric.
@@TokioLotus I feel that so hard :(
The median salary in the United States is $41,950 in 2020, not $31,000. If you were to invest it at the annualized 3-month Treasury Bill rate which is around 1-2% (also called the risk-free rate), it would 19.7 years to reach $1,000,000. This is a little over 60% of the time you claim. If you simply invested in the S&P 500 (bearing some risk), it would only take 13 years.
@@danielsiemer2966 In your calculation you are assuming that people are able to (re)invest their whole income. This is the case like almost never.
More big conversations like the first half of this pod, less dunking on Steven crowder. Don’t be afraid to engage with Hasan even though you know less about policy than him, we the audience understand the dynamic here. We don’t expect you to know everything Ethan you have a different background.
EDIT; I wasn’t clear enough, I think the balance in this ep is great. I felt the last few eps leaned too heavily toward dunking and not enough serious thought. So I was saying I personally would enjoy more serious thought overall, about 50/50 like in this ep.
This this this. I thought it was the best segment of the entire podcast so far.
Nah hogdunking is traditional
Yes!
I'm personally here for the dunking and laughs lol I get it tho. For political enthusiasts this show is prob a dope dynamic. Just not my thing
@@CoreyHart13 Hey that’s fair, it’s about what does the audience as a whole want not just what I want lol. I just thought it could be cool to get more of a balance of the two (serious vs jokes) because I think making fun of the conservatives hits harder when a smart alternative to conservative thought is presented. Without convos like the first half I feel like the dunking feels empty and an outsider looking in could write them off as dumb haters if they don’t present any meaningful opposition.
This episode was sooo much better than the first two!
Felt educational but kept it light hearted with goofs
I AGREE!! Also they weren’t interrupting each other and it overall made it so much more enjoyable
I agree I really enjoy the long convo rather than just reacting to things
Exactly what I was hoping for with this collab
Lol omg, stfuuuuu.
@@dalesfailssagaofasuslord783 It's past your bedtime. Make sure your homework is done.
I have never learned this much about the govt. I officially fell in love with left overs. I really didn’t think I’d like it but Hasan is so intelligent. Love it.
And he's insanely hot lol. That boy, can get it!
I already knew a lot of the stuff he talks about, but listening to him break these topics down and explain them in detail (while also being interesting and entertaining, so it's easier not to get distracted) has really helped me memorize things and better articulate them when explaining or defending my politics and ideals to others. I often play clips from his streams on my phone while I'm doing other stuff just to hear his takes on things and better familiarize myself with the necessary language to inform others. It's no wonder he's such a successful streamer or so popular among leftist internet communities; he's helped educate a lot of people on relevant issues and steer them further left.
@@Kyran1996 ah that’s so smart! I think I will do the same. I’ve always wanted to be well versed on my views!
@@ms.bunniesarecute2287 You should've seen him like a year ago, he was PEAK hot then, still sexy but don't like the new hair imo
These are the real conversations we need to be having.
I really enjoyed this topic of conversation of something that Hasan and Ethan disagree on. They showed a true, healthy, cordial debate on their beliefs which is something we don’t see often in politics. Thanks guys for bringing the A+ content. Love the show
Something we never see from lefties. This has to be a deepfake.
@@herpderp3131 As a leftist I can confirm
It certainly has it’s place, but I really don’t understand the extreme need for so much politeness in politics. That’s basically how you arrive at an ineffectual Democratic Party. Decorum over policy. Eagh
I think the biggest differrence here is that people in office HAVE to (supposedly) represent the values of their constituents or rather more accurately the people that helped them put into office (their financial backers unfortunately). Hasan is trying to educate someone who he knows is very much willing to understand and learn and unlike some random on an internet chat room who he'd have no clear way to be able to see their actual intention (its virtual impossible) in such a short span of time. Ethan and Hasan already have a rapport and a relationship that was already built up on where something like this can happen. They're not elected officials, they're commentators/content creators who in this show is largely trying to educate people on things from a different perspective that differs from the usual very liberal, hyper capitalist POV that everyone is very much familiar with.
PLEASE do more talks like the first hour of the show. There are enough memes about the alt-right out there. And there's not nearly enough honest educational conversations about real world politics.
I really liked the first hour of the show too
Seriously, more people need to be exposed to that information and perspective. I really hope more conversations like that happen here.
Yes!!!
exactly, the hyper focusing on idiotic conservatives is a lil dragged out and this is after all supposed to be the LEFTovers podcast
Then just watch Hasan’s streams. If Ethan is involved, you’re gonna get the memes all the time
In an earlier episode, Olivia gave some self defense advice and I’m so glad she did because yesterday I was attacked walking home from work and the guy came at me aggressively and I just yelled “EYES!!” and thrust my fingers at his face. He split pretty quick once I whipped that technique out. Thanks Liv!
Please give me context sir, I know this isn’t about me but I’m so curious
what context you need?
Really glad that worked and that you're safe!
thats crazy. glad to hear ur ok
Watch the Kardashian episode it’s like two back!
You guys should dedicate a show to education in America. Maybe have teachers call or write in about their experiences in various states throughout the nation.
which education?
As someone with only a Texas education this convo was very enlightening
Man I wonder what school is like over there. Were you taught about the genocide of indigenous people? Like the trail of tears.
@@legendaryboss54 It's briefly mentioned but they for sure bring out states rights as the reason for civil war.
@@guitartuba2009 oh god. They brainwash people from the beginning, that’s probably why it’s so hard to get those people to see the truth later.
@@legendaryboss54 This is exactly why it's done this way. Fun fact: most American textbooks are made in Texas...
Thiccsas
the way Hasan talks about paying those who work for him is very appealing to me. it totally makes sense
It's called workers owning the means of production,a Marxist concept
@@Chilam. Not really, they don’t own or control the business. And if they’re contractors people might claim that they work for themselves, but is an instacart delivery person or a Uber driver really owning their own business? No.
Profit sharing is good though, but traditional corporations in capitalism have done it many times. That’s why it’s particularly fucked up ethan won’t do it
@@Unclejamsarmy well I disagree,they have a major stake in the videos value but they are by no means the sole creators and if they're getting 50+% of the revenue I'd say that's pretty owning the means of production to me,as opposed to not getting paid anything but tips on Uber eats and making $6 an hour.
Besides the fact that your forgetting that ad opposed to Uber eats,the workers get to decide their rates and time,unlike Uber eats where if you don't want to literally starve you better be doing 10 hors of delivery's a day
@Chiliam1 .... wut?
That Uber Eats part made absolutely no sense. You are comparing the difference between Uber Eats, with Uber Eats?
What did you mean?
Oh, nevermind. I just reread what you were saying.
Shelter, and clean water and sanitary conditions are absolutely a human right. I'm glad Hasan mentioned the environmental point. Environmentalists have agreed that one of the best ways to prepare ourselves from the changing climate is to lift up the most vulnerable people affected, which would be impoverished people and people dependent on farming for food around the globe. An interesting part in studying environmental politics and economics is that you quickly realize the source of these developing countries continual struggle; colonialism and the exploitation corporations and governments from wealthier countries are still doing to them.
"Colonialism", lol. Brainwashed SJW spotted.
@@staceygram5555 do you not know what that word means?
@@MysticHannah Of course I do. I'm not an idiot like you SJWs.
@@staceygram5555 Lmao ya got me. jk it's actually just history. Pretty much anything by Vandana Shiva helps explain how colonialism leaves lasting effects on the colonized people and their local environment, specifically in India. Staying Alive by Vandana Shiva is a good read on it.
Also, if anyone is interested in the consensus of environmentalists with regards to economically struggling countries, look up the United Nations 17 Sustainable Development Goals and the Paris Agreement on the responsibilities needed from developed countries to assist developing.
@@staceygram5555 nice buzzword dude. You got your homework done, champ?
“just a few million” is so 😭 alienating like i will never have that much money ever
Omg Dan’s face when Ethan told him not to get any ideas about democracy in the workplace
He didn’t even respond. I would’ve done the same if I was Dan. It made Ethan look bad imo
i mean it was a joke
@@yunusaydin2194 Not a joke - Ethan and Hila would try to bust a union at H3 or Teddy Fresh in about 3 seconds
@@Unclejamsarmy not trying to say they wouldn't, but what makes you so sure?
@@asterin6879 theyre not sure, politics and Hasan just bring in alot of opinionated kids typing vigorously
I absolutely loved the back and forth about their political ideas. it's always amazing to follow a smart, articulate and insightful train of thoughts, from the twitch drama to why capitalism is self-defeating. thank you guys great episode
Ethan is no where near smart, articulate or insightful in the field of politics. Hasan on the other side is, but his ideas still aren't correct, or sure.
@@Kuhanapomaranca idk man these two peeps are more articulate and insightful than 99% of conservatives grifters
@@Kuhanapomaranca what do you mean by "his ideas aren't correct"
@@annieliina A lot of it is purely based on ideology. A lot of it is nothing more than dogma, that has not yet been tested, or has failed in prior tests. Though, i agree with most of the things he says, i still think, there's way too much dogmatic thinking in his opinions.
@@Kuhanapomaranca well just because you disagree doesn’t make them any less articulate. From what you just said, It just makes YOU pessimistic actually.
Giving Hassan a chance to fully articulate some thought was great this episode. Loved it!
Dear Ethan, can there be some timestamps so whoever is interested in a specific topic to be able to find it quicker and not watch 2 hours podcast? (or skim trough it in order to find it). Thanks and keep up the good work.
I think I've overcome my critic of Hasan now that there isn't chatters interrupting him. One can truly hear what this dude is saying. Thank you Ethan for bringing Hasan on the channel
I agree hasan does much better in a relaxed setting like this
I'm sorry, I love Hasan and wish for his wellbeing, but on twitch half the content is his malding, we need it.
@@leedb1 the public executions of brain dead chatters is my favourite part of his steam
@@davidreitter1407 Hopefully I never meet a chatter...
@@davidreitter1407 I agree, idk why people dislike it. Those idiots deserve it lol and it’s hilarious
The difference between Hasan's and Ethan's economic positions is that Ethan has to put faith in business owners to act fairly like he does. But Hasan (via socialism) forces business owners to act fairly and pay their workers what they are worth.
And he even admits he doesn’t know what the split should be with his own employees. How can you want something and not know the details of how it would work .
good take
Well said
@@jaygee5874 you can know your principles but still need to iron out the pragmatics of it. Your comment just betrays a lack of understanding of what the split between Ethics, Political Philosophy, Political Science, and policy making is
Very well said. I was listening to Hasan and kind of rolling my eyes, but that's because I will run my business fairly and pay people what they are worth, like Ethan. I've also been fortunate enough to have mostly only jobs that treat me well. But now I get it. You can't trust everyone to not exploit their workers, even on a small business level.
easily the best episode by far. when socialism is finally explained using everyday language and real-world scenarios, people respond really well to it because its just fair, it just makes sense.
It’s not fair at all and doesn’t make any logical sense. Ethan clearly disagreed with it too
@@matthewandrew8423 then you weren’t listening. it 100% makes sense and the only way i can see someone being against it is if they are a business owner such as ethan who knows he’ll see fewer profits
@@matthewandrew8423 explain what's not fair about it; on top of explaining it, explain it while being comparative to capitalism. you will quickly see that the logic of socialism is very sound.
Isn’t one of the key points of socialism that capital is spread out far more evenly among the population, rather than having a small number of people with an inordinate amount of wealth and lots of people with very little? That sounds much more like capitalism to me tbh.
@@MrFlibbleable as is clearly seen in our current capitalist system. Lmfao.
"I don't have a problem with billionaires I have a problem with mega wealth." Ethan pls
megawealth is defined as anyone making more than Ethan. Not sure if he understands that even 1 million per year is like 20x the median wage in the US.
@@thepinkestmoon Forgetting Hassan in that one buddy
@@deeznutz8320 IIRC Hasan didn't make that argument though. He seemed to acknowledge that he himself makes tons of money and he understands why that makes people bitter.
It sounds like Hasan is a lot more focused on how money is made than on the amount of money an individual has
@Alex Tavarez Yep I agree, at least from my very limited knowledge on Marxism. ngl I was kind of bitter when I first realized how much Hasan makes from complaining about capitalism but it's honestly not really hypocritical from a marxist perspective. He seemed pretty consistent/honest in this video.
As someone who is a factory worker for a living while doing college Hassan is 100% right about the annoyance of having no flexibility at all in the work place. It’s annoying, my benefit’s are actually pretty good but I don’t get much vacation time and might have to drop work to do school which is annoying brcause my job won’t work around it and will fire me if I ask, that’s why I haven’t took their 30k of tuition reimbursement
For real, if it weren’t for the pandemic putting a lot of classes online Idk how I would’ve continued school and work. I was asked to apply for a promotion, but you had to have a minimum of 80 hours of open availability to work for that position. ????? Basically fork over your life for this position, thanks
this is also one of the issues with ethan's proposal of why just paying more to your workers and not being AS greedy isn't a solution: because our workplaces are still little dictatorships. when you work under a capitalist, you don't have any say in your workplace, nor claim to your own labor. you can do something that saves the company thousands of dollars, and they'll pay you the exact same--or worse yet fire you tomorrow because you showed up to work late. it's a lot about autonomy and democracy.
under a democratic workplace, you would not only get the benefits of making more money because labor is distributed--if not equal, then at least in a way that everyone agreed with--but also get to decide collectively how much you all want to do.
like, imagine the end of the year comes and your econ department comes out with a report and is like, "so our production was really good this year, we can afford to work a day less in the week and make the same amount." now not only are you making good money, but you have more free time. this can only happen in an environment where the workers get a fair say, because in our current system what would happen is that the bosses/owners would up production, everyone has to pick up an extra few hours, MAYBE pay everyone a quarter extra, and then the bosses get a five to six figure raise.
Well of course they won't work around that if getting your education involves leaving that company in the end. Which is a perfect example why furthering education should be publicly funded just like basic education is.
In Sweden we are starting to see a shift..
I’m an engineer at Volvo AB. We have been working from home this whole covid stint and now even as our society is opening up, Volvo has decided that the teams can decide for themselves how they want to work (in the office or at home) our team has decided that we only need to come in once every week, just so we socialize..
Our biggest union made a poll asking if the union members would like to continue working from home after covid and 75% answered yes..
I think COVID was the start of a worker revolution spanning all across different professions personally (living in rural Sweden) covid was probably one of the best things that happened to me and my family. Please understand that COVID was and is horrible and it’s horrible that a lot of people died as a direct or indirect result of the pandemic.. but hopefully humanity can turn this into something good.
@@MichaalHell Absolutely, however it took worker unions to accomplish this which America has little to none, and the ones that have attempted to form have been shut down by corporate persuasion and incentive tactics. Really unfortunate.
The elegance with which they shifted from a pretty thoughtful discussion on the state of affairs of our world to listening to a dude pee in his basemet. Chefs kiss✨
Please have more in depth conversations like y’all did in the first hour. It was so great. Very informative, great flow and honestly, it was really relaxing. Love it.
The best part of this existing is that its going to make a large portion of our generation finally care about politics & more focused and important social issues.
“A socialist and a capitalist walk into a bar”, this is what I’ve been waiting for. A dialogue helping moderates and social Democrats see how capitalism is a real problem. Please add a segment like this for every episode.
True
Not being a socialist doesn't make you a "moderate" or a "social democrat." It simply makes you "not a socialist" Also, you can be a capitalist and still want socialized programs, such as healthcare and free federal education. I'm not a socialist, but I absolutely think there is room for more socialist programs in the country. But where I might differ is that I don't believe everyone needs to own a home, for example. I think everyone should have access to an affordable (or free) roof over their head, water, food, and clean clothes, but I don't think that needs to come in the form of every person owning a house.
@@Pamelalrene OP never said that not being a socialist makes you a moderate or a social democrat, they just said that convincing those kinds of people of capitism's pitfalls is good
@@Pamelalrene additionally, believing in capitalism but also thinking there is a necessity for social security and social welfare programs in a larger scale is being a social democrat. Not only that, but you seem to nominally disagree with the idea of shelter as a right but agree with it in principle, so I really think you shouild iron out that cognitive dissonance
@@gcneto Firstly, I'll apologize for misunderstanding OP' comment. Secondly, perhaps I misunderstand the term. When I was younger, I used I to describe people who were republican but had a democratic mindset on social issues, like gay marriage, abortion, etc. I see is a a negative term, like you're a "less- than" democrat. But what I'm getting from you is that it means you have socialist ideologies, but aren't necessarily a socialist? Is that right?
And I'm not saying shelter shouldn't be a right. In fact, I literally said I believe it should be accessible. (Ie more and better public housing and shelters) Maybe I do need to reassess my values so that I can word them better, but suggesting I have a cognitive dissonance I need to work on is condescending and frankly I don't appreciate it. When maybe I just am misunderstanding what exactly people mean by "everyone should own a home"
When they dove deep into the issues of capitalism and Ethan started learning about the horrors it causes overseas, I was so excited. Exactly the kind of content I wanted to see from this show
Even after the whole conversation he's still all for capitalism. Ethan doesnt care about poor people across the world being paid starvation wages to maintain his wonderful capitalism as long as his life is perfectly comfortable.
@Paul Bunyan literally hahaha
@@RabidDisposition your comment made me wonder where Teddy Fresh is produced. I checked their website and it doesn’t say. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re manufactured in China/Vietnam/etc for $5 a piece and then sold for $50-100. For how much shit they (understandably) talk about the elites, I hope their products are made in the US at a factory where people are getting paid for their time/worth/effort.
@@RabidDisposition you can't expect to deprogram someone in an hour. it takes time. no one is going to 180 their belief system like that, that's not how humans work. you plant seeds in their mind that hopefully grow until they need to be reckoned with
@@RabidDisposition Changing minds takes time. One man (Hasan) cannot change minds in one hour of conversation. Many people having the same conversation over time can. So hopefully Ethan can become more exposed to these ideas, and thus see where he falls short in terms of empathy for the poor.
I didn't have very high expectations for this show but I'm glad to have watched this episode. I haven't watched Ethan in years and remember him having much more reactionary politics. That conversation in the first hour was the first time I think a debate on TH-cam was actually constructive.
Bruh lmao not making fun of ya comment but your profile pic 😂
Ethan has improved quite a bit
For real, for some reason I always had a negative impression of Ethan but after seeing he had a new podcast with Hasan I thought I'd give it a chance and was very pleasantly surprised. I don't know if I had an unfair judgement of him or if he's changed in the past few years, but he seems like a genuinely good guy and funny as fuck. Hope they make a bunch more of these episodes, Hasan also shines here cause it's the only time he get's a full 2 hours to actually talk to someone with a functional brain who actually listens and has thoughtful responses instead of only having conversations with ADHD Andy twitch streamers while getting stunlocked constantly by pepegas in chat.
Amazin'
I knew who Ethan was and didn't not like him, but after leftovers he's great.
Talk about an upgrade from talking about Tricia's nonsense. Really interesting perspective from Hasan and Ethan trying to keep up :D
I dont know why people are so obsessed with watching the fupa guy talk about stuff hes clueless about
@@BlastinRope well i wouldn’t say he’s completely clueless considering he co-owns a legitimate clothing business with his wife
but besides that i think it’s nice that ethan isn’t as politically aware as hassan because in a way he asks what the viewers are asking themselves. it’s easily digestible political content that isn’t just debates going in circles over and over again. i enjoy
I actually think this podcast is much needed! The discussion here is so helpful for the 23k people watching right now
The comments are producing some nice and interesting discussions. It is a very good format this podcast. ...Fuck frenemies btw.
Not at all, this podcast is bad faith partisan trash
@@arlyham5328 you definitely didn't watch this episode, so not even sure why you're giving your unwanted and uninformed opinion
@@kolanut i have watched it but i don’t mean this episode specifically, i mean the whole of the leftovers podcast
@@arlyham5328 "partisian" youre an idiot, literally none of this was about a party
As someone from Chile, I appreciate deeply Hassan talking about the USA intervention that lead to a horrible dictatorship in the country
same but that chaves comment 🤢
Me too! Chilena here!
Yet there is a lot of people who dont believe that the US fucked us
Being from the us is like being from the evil empire of any fantasy world.
Yes!!! This isn't talked about nearly enough!!!
This show is really starting to hit its stride now. I felt a great chemistry building between Ethan and Hasan in this episode. The middle bulk section of this was very insightful and engaging to listen to. Ethan made some great points and he really has a better grasp on the issues than he leads us to believe. Def looking forward to listening to future episodes.
It's definitely getting better.
“Alex Jones is a few months away from pissing in his basement” fuckin killed me lol
Hasan should distinguish between “democratic socialism” vs “social democracies” vs “socialism” …. This lack of differentiation is a big reason why it’s such a confusing and contentious topic for Americans.
this!! i feel like everything thats not capitalism is just grouped with communism when discussing these topics
I think he’s trying to help acclimate Ethans audience to these topics, at least starting out. But I definitely agree.
Or explain how America implements corporate socialism and makes sure big businesses never fail
@@ann1ka_ social democracy is capitalism. democratic socialism is socialism and communism is socialism too
you are so right
I love how educational this is. I feel having Hasan as a cohost was a brilliant idea. Hasan explains his point of view so deeply which opens up a lot of minds to important matters going on in the world. Including Ethan's. Bravo kings.
Is this sarcasm?
All those values he preaches about, what a giant hypocrite.
@@daniel-eg2oq no he isn t, stop beeing a maga bootlicker
@@daniel-eg2oq lmao you can't even formulate an argument dude
@@-kdot-2332 I wasn’t in an argument with anyone you weirdo
I can’t even begin to describe the sheer happiness I feel when I hear Dan’s little ‘two’ at the start of podcasts
its crazy how they have a disagreement and they continue to talk and not freak out at each other and hate one another
Ethan thinks everyone can be happy under capitalism because he thinks everyone will operate with some level of morals/ethics as he does. He forgets that this is unfortunately not the case. I think most of us working at the bottom of a corporation understand this, and we aren’t happy.
Exactly
But socialism doesn’t solve that. If you don’t have the skills to perform a job you enjoy under capitalism, a central planning agency isn’t going to send you to work a job you don’t have to skills for, you’ll more than likely be stuck at whatever low end production job they place you in, and you won’t be able to change that since the central planning agency decides what role you will fill in society. Atleast under capitalism you can quit, go to school, get some debt, get a higher paying job that you enjoy, and then pay off that debt.
@@brygulligan347 socialism isn’t governmentally assigned jobs, it’s just workers having more rights over their extracted labour. if they’re stuck working under a low paid position, they can still quit and get an education WITHOUT them collecting inflated amounts of debt
@@sam-eg4nn Socialism in practice is a central planning agency since worker cooperatives still operate in free markets and thus are still subject to the “inherent contradiction of capitalism” that many socialists are against. And I’m not sure how that relates to workers quitting and getting an education without debt; education is never free, under socialism people who don’t directly benefit from the education have to pay it for other people, which is more unfair imo.
@@brygulligan347 education is free in a bunch of eu countries actually lol
Absolutely love Ethan and Hasan talking about theory and their respective ideologies. This was way way way more interesting than the last two episodes.
Lol at Ethan having an ideology
@@dmp1962 most people have some sort of ideology. Even if they aren’t aware of it
it was really nice to hear the conversation between ethan and hasan about capitalism and labor because they both have such different views on it, but on the wider american political spectrum they are seen as basically the same.
Honestly it’s nice to see Ethan actually trying to talk things out instead of forcing himself to stay quiet or backpedal like he would with Trisha.
When ethan was like “dont get any ideas in here dan...” and they pan to dan...SO awkward. dan’s face lol
That was super awkward.
Daddy Dan😎
That's what happens when people of power make jokes at the expense of people without as much power.
This isn't to say that I think Ethan mistreats them or anything, but even a joke about stuffing their personal growth is not funny when that "joke" might have been present their whole career.
At first i wasn't too hyped over this podcast but it is quickly becoming my favourite H3 podcast thanks to Hasan. I have limited knowledge on the subjects he dissects in Leftovers and i'm grateful for the information. It can be quite overwhelming researching alone when you don't know where to begin but Hasan is knowledgeable, concise and educates me more with each ep.
too bad he is a liar and muh capitalism bad in my beverly hills home. watch the Destiny streamer talk about him in depth.
@@Learning2BeBrave lmao destiny?? dont make me laugh
Don’t get your politics from this please. Keep researching on your own and form your opinions that way. Hasan makes money off radicalizing ppl to left. He said it in the beginning. Radicalizing is not a good thing
@@Learning2BeBrave "you criticize society, and yet you participate in it. curious. i am very smart"
@@pc3340 how is radicalizing bad
Wow that set is something else. I didn't even know they were not in the same room until now and I have seen the newest one too, Whoever setup the tech for that set to look that good is a master.
I’m glad Ethan readily admits when he doesn’t know a lot about something. I’m like that and I appreciate he does it so we can all learn! TY Hasan and Ethan, really good show. Keep it up! Proud of you
Me too! Its refreshing to hear he actually wants to educate himself, even if he still is kind of out of touch (in terms of saying tens of millions and billion isn’t much money) LOL
I do the same! If it’s something I don’t know I won’t speak on it. I’ll ask someone to tell me what is going on and then research. It’s the best way to learn
@@kyleeguthrie1787 With as "little" as $5M showing up in my bank account tomorrow I could probably live my life as I idealize it 'til the end of my days.
Wow. Just wow. Standing ovation. I am floored. I honestly believe this has been brilliant content and I am so grateful this exists now. I am so happy. Thank you folks at H3, Hasan and Ethan and all y’all so much for creating this incredibly informative and engaging new platform. I may sound like, too floored just by a TH-cam show but literally this is perfect for me, what I need/want to listen to and feels like perfectly crafted for me XD Everything. I know I sound ridiculous but I’m grateful
i totally agree, i cant wait to see the pod improve with time too :)
I didn't know if Ethan before Hasan... I understand that sounds weird but I mainly watch Poltical stuff. This show is a great entry point (for either side) and I have found a lot of content from H3 I didn't know I needed.
😂. You all are clowns
Ethan, with peace and love, people like warehouse workers that have a dislike of the ultra wealthy are not "low tier bitterness." They are hard working people that unfortunately end up working for large corporate distribution centers that see them only as numbers and productivity. A lot of these people live in rural areas that have limited job opportunities to begin with. So they become trapped in these jobs that wreak havoc on their bodies and scrape by to make a living for their families. For example, imagine being stuck working in a warehouse for a corporation like Walmart in a state like Florida and Walmart doesn't even have A/C in your building. I'm sure you wouldn't be a fan of the board members that make millions of dollars from a company that makes billions and they can't even provide air-conditioning for the people that make their operations possible. In a place like Florida. Examples like that are disgusting and I can't blame people that look at the ultra wealthy people in such corporations sideways. I know that you and Hasan have worked hard for the money you make and treat your employees well but honestly instead of dissing people who have a problem with wealth maybe try to empathize with them. Not everybody has the experience of working for a wealthy person or corporation that actually gives a shit about them. Never mind actually being a wealthy person. I know that lots of wealthy people do wonderful things for the world and I also don't believe that wealth is inherently bad. However, it comes down to what you do with it and how you treat the people that make it possible. Guaranteed that you have lots of "low tier bitterness" that watch your channel so you can have ad revenue and they buy the clothes that you make revenue from. I don't think you meant to be unkind but just remember that people of all experiences and opinions help to make your wealth possible.
this
Well said
thank god the warehouse I'm at has AC
Gotta be real I was hesitant about this new show, but I am fuckin with this big time
Now THIS is a debate. Not just some dick swinging competition about who can own who in the 'marketplace of ideas', but an actual conversation.
Ikr! I like the back and forward to the points they each have. More like this if possible pls lol
I was expecting a formal debate, with Ben Shapiro no less. Ethan seems to be clickbating with almost every podcast these days. Did they even mention Ben once?
@@philipdolan954 hence they changed the title
@@LadySKizo Yet they still have him as the only other person in the thumbnail.
Barely a debate honestly lol more like two friends just discussing some issues that they already 90% agree on.
I loved hasan's point about socialized housing. I want to add that the real estate industry is overdeveloping - building expensive / high rent housing that the average person cannot access...lots of places sit vacant.. so we might actually already have enough housing for everyone, but since it's unaffordable with no rent or price caps - we have a shortage of housing, but no shortage of buildings!
Not actually the case though, If you compare the rate of units built in the 1920s to now, it is clear that that's not the case.
@@daikon711 what, in the US there are wayyy more vacant houses than there are homeless people, i don’t get your point.
@@Baldurbachmann32 there will always be thousands of vacant units at any single point because there needs to be vacant units for units to be sold or rented out, or renovated. The fact that there are more vacant units than homeless people means nothing, because the sellers are looking for market rate or higher renters or buyers.
We have millions of empty housing units but about half a million homeless. Supply far exceeds demand but it's kept artificially scarce to keep prices up for developers and landlords. Horrendous
@@FreshHeat 👏👏👏exactly!
The discussion about ideology and theory has been a big highlight in this episode!
You have the exact same political compass result as me 😂
political compass pfp checks out, good meme
@@callendunne9156 i used to have that aswell (a lil bit more to the left) but now it's a little bit higher (still left tho)
Anarchists hate me now :(
@@callendunne9156 same as mine as well
the funny thing is that everyone saying "how dare you buy a 2 million dollar house" would buy that house immediately if they had the money to
As a country boy, fuck no. I'm building a log mansion twice as big that size on 100 acres in bumfuck for half that money. I cannot do cities.
@@flashthompson6566 yee yee 🤠
I own 2 houses. They're tiny as hell and one of them was destroyed in a hurricane but there's 2 of them!! Get gud broke ass 1house hasan
The point of capatilsm is that you pay your employees the minimum amount necessary for them to come into work the next day and for the owners to have a bigger margin of earnings. So there's no such thing as capitalism with well-paid employees and no, not everybody wins. We are not happy at the bottom.
that’s not the point of capitalism at all…. it’s just a symptom of it in most cases. because in most cases the human race disappoints by being greedy and disingenuous. and unfortunately that greediness can thrive in capitalism. but it’s not the point at all.
Capitalism is the private ownership of capital and voluntary labor; It is often marked by free markets. That's it. Ascribing more qualities to the term is intellectually dishonest.
To your point; Your labor is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. When I flipped burgers at McDonald's I made $6. 45/hour because I had zero marketable skills other than use of both hands and a functional brain. Almost any other human on earth could have replaced me. I didn't deserve more than I was paid.
After picking up a marketable skill I started making considerably more. Bring more value to the table and your labor will be worth more.
@@thenathanimal2909 The point though is your labor flipping burgers is creating the value for the business. How many burgers did you chuck through the window in a given hour and how much did you charge for them. How much did you get paid in wages for that hour. Fast food actually generates a decent amount of money. In Denmark burgers cost the same but McDonald's workers make $22/hr plus excellent benefits simply because they have sectoral unions. Either stand in solidarity with your fellow workers and get a larger share of your labor value or stab each other in the back in the race to the bottom where the capitalist keeps more of the value YOU created.
I get handsomely paid for my labor thank you very much. All it took was acquiring skills other people were willing to pays for, imagine that. No college debt either.
Cost of living is much higher in Denmark; One article by the NYT puts it at 30% higher. Of course their wages would be higher. Their massive wealth distribution policies are the biggest contributor to this.
McDonald's was quite possibly the worst job I ever had in a long list of shitty jobs from the age of 15 to 30, it was also my first job ever. Comically working at McDonalds sucked because the worst people in existence often enjoy eating at McDonald's. To be clear I hate McDonald's, but that's because their food is garbage and their meat is from the hell that is factory farming.
Whoever owns the McDonald's franchise I worked at owns all the debt for the fixed capital in that restaurant; HVAC, refrigeration, friars, ect. The franchise owner paid all local fees and taxes to open up, pays McDonald's for all the marketing material etc they must use, and does all administration or pays someone to do it. If that McDonald's had failed I just go wrap burritos at the Taco Bell next door. The owner of that McDonald's is in the hole for all the debt. Why in the fuck would I be entitled to dictate my pay? Especially since I had NO SKILLS other than the most simple ones. A nigh infinite number of humans could have replaced me, there was nothing special about me warranting more pay. I had no leverage.
This is an obscenely entitled worldview you hold. If you're selling a hat on ebay does the buyer dictate to you what they should pay you? No, you negotiate as free individuals and come to an agreed upon price. What's that? You don't like what McDonald's is offering you to work for them? Then go work for someone paying more. What's that? You don't have skills the market will pay more for? Then go get some.
I really like cats. If I open a sweater company that caters to cats and charge $10,000 per sweater I probably won't sell a lot. Instead of demanding the government force people to buy my sweaters at $10,000 each I need to lower my prices to compete or convince people there is value in my $10,000 cat sweaters. So it goes with your labor, it's worth what someone will pay for it, and nothing more.
The difference between you and me is I believe men should have the freedom of how to run their affairs in life. You believe men should not be free to do so and that the government should dictate how men run their affairs. Enjoy your slave mentality of entitlement.
@@thenathanimal2909 "Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration."
- Abraham Lincoln
All of the managerial aspects of a business can be done under a cooperative organization of the economy; without a bloodsucking parasitic capitalist class ruling absolutely over a permanent underclass of workers. The coop grocery store I shop at has a building, hvac, advertising, they pay utilities and taxes, etc. all without a traditional capital owner. A better world is possible.
This show just became infinitely more dynamic. Y'all flexed on the world with this one. Looking forward to the future of this show.
Yes yes more please
I just want people to hear Hasan out...this is a great discussion
He is undeniably intelligent as fuck and has a well developed sense of justice and how to fix things. That is one of the best compliments I could pay to anyone.
@@typodev9239 If you think he is intelligent no wonder America is down the drain LMAO
Man, Ethan was really trying hard to find a way to ethically exploit his crew XD
Hassan got him beat though
Dan's life would be a whole lot easier of Hasan would just show Ethan the Volume Master extension... lol
@@AxxLAfriku yes i do
@@AxxLAfriku you’re the only self promoter thats actually made me watch and enjoy but I also don’t want to encourage you
@@AxxLAfriku I can hear you saying this after I watched a single video lmfaooo im fucking dead
What is thay
@@nicoleacuna7249 It adds a button to your browser that will let you adjust any tabs volume with one slider anywhere from 0 to 600% the standard level. Would allow Ethan to crank it whenever he wants.
Ethan’s bouta radicalize his already left leaning audience with this show
I can only hope and pray 🤣🙏🏻
weaponizing the foot soldiers with facts and logic 🦶🔫
@@walmartrotisseriechicken let’s gooooo 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 🦶🏻🦶🏻🦶🏻🦶🏻
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no kidding, it's pretty troubling
This was way more entertaining than the last episodes. An actual conversation where there are different points of views and not just both parties agreeing for everything for two hours.
They pretty much just agreed, or uninformed Ethan teed Hasan up to make one-sided arguments.
@@andypehrson9316 I want to hear both sides-
Hassan- people shouldn’t be homeless and poor it is awful
Ethan- I agree people need a home and food. You know basic needs for survival
You- fuck poor people let them starve they need to work more
@@andypehrson9316 They never advertised this show as a debate though. That's on you if that's what you wanted.
I only liked this episode because they talked about influencers and how much they make. Once it got more political, I got a little bored.
I swear Dan laughing in the background of any video, just makes the thing 10 times funnier
The fact that Ethan harps so hard about the difference between a few million dollars and billions is a valid point. But I wonder if he stopped to consider that the service industry workers he is specifically talking about make roughly 15,000 a year.
Now compare that to just 1 million.
And redistributing 10% of the wealth of a billionaire would benefit a thousand times more of those workers than redistributing 10% of the wealth of a millionaire. Redistributing 10% of Bezos's wealth would benefit a hundred thousand more of those workers. Start from the top and work down.
The difference between 1 million dollars and 1 billion dollars is far greater than the difference between 15000 and 1 million
It surely is. I never said it wasn’t.
Loved to hear such healthy discourse regarding social inequity, capitalism, socialism, etc. Thank you Hasan and Ethan and the h3 crew for a great podcast!
yet both are incapable of healthy discourse with their opponents
@@awakeandwatching953 A steven chowder fan in the wild? Begone clown
@@vishg5148 no not really a fan as i dont subscribe to your left right BS, i know thats a difficult concept for the indoctrinated... you realise a mildly amusing quip is not a counter argument? never thought i would see the day where the left would embrace censorship.. you have betrayed every thing we stood for
@@awakeandwatching953 they are lol? Have you even watched hasan debate someone? Also none of the mainstream conservatives is capable of debating anyone above fresmen in college
@@vishg5148 Actually I think it might be a Destiny fan. Giving me those 'enlightened centrist' vibes ngl
This podcast is amazing. I don’t think I’ve heard this sort of “leftism 101” talk on a channel this size that’s not explicitly about politics.
It's rad.
I love it too!
Do you mean political events? Cause this is still political.
@anonymous How are they destroying it? Everyone in positions of power in the USA are corporate shills e.g. not socialists.
@anonymous you'll never become a billionaire dude, let poor people have healthcare and housing lol
The real contradictions of capitalism are automation vs labor, and artificial scarcity vs efficiency. We have an economic system that has people at odds with technical progress. Imagine if our economy didnt incentivize profit motive but instead incentivized automation and open source technology and respected the scientific method for answering objective structural questions. We could whittle the work week down from 40 hours, to 30, to 20, to 10... imagine if our goal was to work as few hours as possible, with the highest economic efficiency as possible. I can only guess it's an attachment to the material culture we live in and people cant think of a world with a completely different economic system that is well structured around our modern understanding of human behavior (especially intrinsic motivations), and the trends of technological development.
Lol Ethan let Hasan speak!!!😂😂 Housing is a human right. Everyone should have a roof over their head!
There are enough abandoned homes in the US to house everyone. What some them would do with that house, is another story.
But... "Regardless of resources"? How?
The us cares more about the holdings of realtors than housing human beings.
But you need the private sector, ie real estate investors, to find distressed properties, fix them up, and rent them out. The government does not have the ability to provide that on a nationwide scale, and what they do provide, is absolute garbage. Just look at government run housing, it’s an absolute disaster as it’s disgusting and poorly maintained. If you claim housing is a human right, then what you’re basically saying is that those investors should work for free to build houses for everyone and that their time isn’t worth anything. Sorry, but that’s not how humans operate. Either you allow real estate investors to renovate properties, rent them out, and make a profit, or you don’t have housing, aside from the very limited public housing that the government is capable of providing.