Them asking for info when you're requesting withdraw is illegal according to the UKGC btw. My friend (UK) had this happen to him as well. He didn't wanna upload a picture of his passport due to insecurity of being a fatty at the time, so he literally reported them to the UKGC and eventually got his money without having to send a single document.
I work in CS for a UK based gambling company, and I can confirm that what you said comes with a caveat. We need to, for fraud reasons, ask security questions when a client wants to talk about withdrawals (or anything payment related) on chat. If they fail said questions, then we are obligated to ask for proof of identity and proof of address. If they know the answers to their questions then there's no issues.
I was playing online Poker and making good money about 13 years ago. Due to personal life I had to take a break. When I came back, all my money was gone from Titan Poker (fortunately not the biggest amount of my bankroll, but it was still 1,5k). Supposedly someone from a completely different country IP played with my account and gambled it all away. Yet no other Poker site had that happen (Full Tilt, Pokerstars, Party Poker). My account and the account the money was transfered to got closed and they just kept the money. When I contacted the support and also had evidence it couldn't have been me, they just told me "tough luck bro". That's when I completely stopped doing it. Admittedly never had issues with Stars or PartyPoker, but the risk was too high and the big Poker hype ended anyway.
It likely wasn't an accident. Think about it from the perspective of a gambling addict. They just got "free" money, and I would bet my bottom dollar that the slimy sites do this to play on that addict mentality that whenever you get any kind of extra money or windfall, it excited your brain to gamble. Online gambling is so predatory at every turn it's insane, and all I do is watch others gamble.
Nobody on earth , has watched more online gambling (Blackjack) than me , guaranteed , with that being said , if you like your money ..never , ever , gamble online. Great content by the way !
Yes. Online you can’t resplit pairs or double down after split. Plus they might have a hidden Blackjack, whereas is an IRL casino, they will flip it over immediately.
Former dealer here. I was working for the same company but in Canada back in 2017 when they started. Unlike a real casino, they can't see you, you could even in theory write down and make notes with computers and such, so the rule was created to be a shoe of 8 decks of cards cut in half after shuffle, but it's more of a visually cut in half like seen in the video, hence the counting card on Online casino is useless... Also, from what I can see that is the quality of dealers they hired is horrendous.. They all seemed to be hating their job!! You should've seen how I hosted my games.
I love making it! I'll keep doing it provided I think each series provides something interesting and new. If it becomes just a series of 'Hi Steven you can't play here and by the way give me your I.D' I'll stop.
Pick up on your vids a few days ago and am utterly fascinated with them. The way you take the time to explain to things is incredible. Your trip through the US was so cool. Thx for sharing.
@@SPACECOWBOY_Hej anytime you use a computer itsusualy not beaten except w poker where there are live people the sports sites and others are just random or controlled the toullette in casino are random if its a live spin o ntables or electronic w the big wheel
I have no idea how to play blackjack, I don't ever intend to as I have an addictive personality but this is my "guilty pleasure" channel. Something is so....weirdly wholesome about it.
You've made the right choice because only a special kind of person can successfully count cards. You have to be detached from the money, and you can't play for the thrill of it. Its for the person who sees it as a job and will treat it as such
This series is great! Would love more card counting stuff. If that's looking less likely because of being backed off, have you thought about other similar things that fall in the same bucket? Would love to see you try court siding!
Hey Steven. 'Breathe of fresh air. No idea why I'm watching videos on something I know nothing about, but in the increasingly desperate environment of 'shopkeepers' that TH-cam has become, it's a rare treat to watch a video by somebody who comes across as genuine and down to earth, but also with no additional agenda other than an interest in sharing his experiences. And I genuinely laughed at the part where you zoomed out and did the "very sad" bit with the echo/reverb! 😂
Hahah thanks mate - glad you liked that edit! And thank you! Just to clarify, I do have a spon every video, and I’m not against selling merch or monetising my channel. I monetise my channel thoroughly so that when I eventually fall off I’m not screwed financially 🙂 But yeah I make these videos primarily because I love to.
Having been a matched bettor for years, they are actually disgusting the loops you have to jump through to get withdrawals to go through! Great content my man
Do you still actively match bet? I use to a couple years back and was very profitable, however the reloads started getting worse and worse. I hear The US legalising sports bets in many areas has made it profitable again?
Ive just recently stopped, its not worth the time really now, i went fulltime for 2 years and made about 120k as i did it for about 19 people, but its not worth it no more unfortunately, worse offers/sign ups, bannings/holding withdrawals etc
The reason I think they intentionally say it’s too blurry is to prolong the process and get you to play. They will sometimes wait 12 hours or more to let you repeat process and before you know it, it’s been a week and you have 100 perfectly Framed photos of Your ID
STEVEN BRIDGES I MISSED YOU Your videos are so entertaining and really shine a light on how awful casinos are to their players. Glad to see an upload from you again:)
The slow/impossible cashout is as much part of preventing counting as the bad game rules. Obviously these casinos are shady, but it'd also be almost impossibly to run one honestly. The strategy here would be to automate instead of sitting around for hours, evaluating each table and alerting you when the count is high. There isn't much they can do, these are just plain video streams in the background, likely even unauthenticated. You just need to visit every table once to get their URL. I've played around with this a bit, recording automatically generated football games that people can bet on online. The lack of asymmetry compared to a real casino meant that I had a few hundred thousand games to analyze in a couple of days. They can't bank on a counters being a small part of their business as a single counter could be every account on every table.
I've made bots that could scrape every bit of info needed for this, and then respond. It was my first "real" python project. My entire thought process throughout the video was how I would go about modifying it for blackjack. I did it then with permission from the game developer as a proof of concept, but if there's money to be had people will come. Even if it is absolutely illegal to do so here.
Online casinos really aren't that shady. I've made some decent money using casino offers arbitrage, which requires you to play a lot of hands of blackjack (without card counting) as well as lots of fruit machine games. I've probably got accounts at about 50 different online casinos. Most of them will ask you to confirm your identity and payment details when you join, and that is usually sufficient to prove address and income (required by the UK govt before they should open an account for you). On the odd occasion I've been unable to cash out, it's because the identity stuff hadn't been completed on account creation - but you can always check whether you have been validated at any time, and upload the proof of ID, etc, at any time before cashing out. I've never felt truly inconvenienced, nor that any online casino was being 'shady'. On the handful of times I had a problem, it was due to their procedures failing, or getting a bad customer service rep on the online chat.
This is exactly what I was thinking too. If you could make a program that monitors ~100 or so black jack games andm check all of the table’s running counts, and make the program bet as a card counter woul, you could possibly make a lot of money
With enough effort put in, it might be very hard to detect even for a human. I wonder if there aren't any captcha now and then. Even those can be bought though
To start off yeah, u cant profit counting online realistically. The only reason I can reccommend to do it is play on stake, go to the $1-5000 table, switch to CAD and its a good way to practice ( to an extent ) while being able have minimum bet at £0.61
It always amazes me the lengths that casinos go to in order to thwart card counting, a very niche activity that few people can do well; by enacting measures like terrible penetration, they are essentially spending thousands to save pennies.
I'm way more amazed at the lengths they will go to keep dissuade you from cashing out. My god. It's just criminal. They *should* pay out twice, for those happy few that get past all the barriers, to compensate the cost of a shrink and an anger management course.
@@seheytin the US it's up to the individual States for gambling laws, and states I've gambled online they're required to get your information before finalizing account creation. Also refusing the allow a withdrawal would open themselves up to significant penalties, anytime I've withdrawn from an online casino, it's approved within 12 hours while them guaranteeing response for withdrawal requests within 24-48 hours.
Steven, as someone who has been playing BJ online for 4 years or so now, I honestly can say I NEVER relized they show you double the amount you actually won. My mind is freaking blown right now. By the way, I'm down THOUSANDS, Don't gamble online people!
My take on the logic id that it would be easy to write software to perfectly count cards, so they must implement a strategy to make it pointless. Shuffling slowly just puts clients onto other tables, and I'm guessing that the high stake don't make you wait!
6:54 I’ve got your bin now I’m gonna buy a card with the same 6 digits as you claimed they don’t care about security indicating they were non vbv. Thanks!
I asked for a audit of the decks. I wanted to see them face up. I got banned. I suspect they load the decks with more low cards and the deck itself is in the negative (countwise).
Oh that's interesting! Yeah the thing is for them to do that, LOTS of people would have to be in on it. And all it would take is for someone with software to do an analysis over a few weeks and they've have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands. Maybe with the sketchy crypo casinos?
I personally suspect that they load the high cards in the rear of the shoe, and then stack the shuffle to maintain the acrd distribution in general. This way the shoe could be audited and show complete decks, but the players never see the 60% half of the shoe, just the 40% bit@@stevenbridges
@@stevenbridges They don't need to cheat. They know it would be easy to watch the tables and jump in at the right time. With the short penetration they know that for the most part the count will hardly ever be positive enough to play plus the bad rules they have easily stopped counting. It also helps them in the long run because it will reduce variance for everyone else. So the people that jump in randomly at the right time and win big will be reduced.
If I'm going to guess the main reason for why they are making it this hard to count cards online is to prevent bots from doing it. Because that has to be a massive issue for online blackjack games.
A follower sent me here about the issue at 12:20 - it's way out of hand with sports betting, made several videos about it myself. It's like a bouncer checking you on the way out of a pub (if you had money left in your pockets only).
I let my friend borrow my sony A7 once for one of his photography class. He told me he was going to take some astrophotography photos the next week which was fine by me. Little did I know that involved a 15 hour drive to Yellowstone to catch some eclipse photos... You can imagine how mortified I was when he came back explaining to me he did not know you needed a filter for eclipse photos... My camera sensor was fried. And my college buddy was broke, so I never did get a new one from him!
Doing Blackjack offers with Matched betting has proved profitable for me over the years but it is a painfully slow process at times playing, sometimes can’t even get onto the tables 😂
Speaking as someone with a career in computer systems, it seems clear that the online casinos are obviously cheating you - the apparent instability, getting constantly "timed out" or losing you connection seems way beyond anything other than intentional manipulation, clearly designed to frustrate you and/or rush you. The only reason to play so little of a given shoe at the cost of all that wasted playing time is that they are milking you so hard that they don't care about how long it takes.
Here in the UK, gambling is under regulated due to lobbying from the companies. I personally think that the English Premier League is propped up massively by recreational and problem gambling
I've got a new one, shave half your beard off, then only play tables in the corner. That way, depending on which way you're facing, you're a different person. Voila!
Your content is on fire! You've already overcome BJA's content. I say that cause you have no problem in investing a good time to experience and, therefore, being able to talk about the theme with a huge knowledge. Long-date fan but now a subscriber as well! Keep the good work.
In the US, if you knowingly don't try and refund the money, it's illegal. The key is knowingly. In this case such a small amount could easily be overlooked and one could claim they didn't notice it. However, for larger amounts you would be prosecuted. It has happened, where people haven't returned mistakes in the 100's of thousands of dollars.
That’s what he used, and thousands of others. It’s one of the best places to learn. What’s the problem? BJA has been around over a decade and are well known
That’s what he used, and thousands of others. It’s one of the best places to learn. What’s the problem? BJA has been around over a decade and are well known
I don't know about the UK but in the US you're not legally required to notify a company if they accidentally pay you too much money. Unless they come to you asking for it back you aren't obligated to do anything.
I quit online Casino Blackjack after 10 consecutive sessions where I never got better than a 17 to start and the dealer had 9,10 , Ace or Face cards 80% of the time and would hardly bust or pull miracle cards whenever I had the advantage. It's just no fun or point when it appears things are manipulated!
In my experience you can't count cards online because when they shuffle they sometimes put the next shuffle card in like the first 25% of the deck. So you have only a quarter making the odds really worse. You see alot of card shuffling when playing online BlackJack.
Something I always asked myself: what if the casino replaces some cards in the shoe holding a value of ten with cards with a low value (2.3,4,..), making the game less favourable for the player. Nobody would notice. Except a card counter, who would experience to never get a positive count in hour-long sessions ... Isn't that what Steven saw ? Just my two cents
@14:42 In USA it not, BUT if they contact you within X number of days, then you have to return it. After X number of days, you CAN give it back, but are not required to. That X number of days will vary state to state, some 10 business days, some 31 days, some 1 year.
The biggest problem I found with counting cards with live dealers is the awful deck penetration. From the two sites I've been on, they will literally will cut the deck in half of an 8 deck shoe. Can't really do much with that.
I play a LOT of speed black jack, im not sure if you know this, im not entirely through the video, but speed blackjack is basically hit whenever, whoever hits first gets the card. Its more so a “when youre feeling it” type of game compared to getting whatever comes to you in regular blackjack when depending on where youre sitting and who does what before you. Speed blackjack i could wait for the dude who i know is going to double down his 11, OR if i need a 10 and i think one is coming i could try to hit before he does so i get the 10. Idk, i enjoy it more
Also, on evolution such as speed blackjack, siders pay real well. Up to 100:1 for suited trips. I always play siders, but i make sure that my hand is big enough to make it make sense for if i win the hand but lose both siders i still profited enough.
Wasn't it theoretically possible to use a computer to take a screenshot via a program from the table and read the numbers of the cards and then have the computer count the cards? The numbers were quite large font in these online casinos. Then you could perhaps see the standings at several tables and take over the betting of the money yourself.
It's possible, but you will have to go to court to get that money. There terms of service will have some clause 'forbidding' you from botting. You will therefor (this would prob. work he in Germany) find a reason, why there terms of service are invalid, and therefor void. (Again, speculation, not legal advise, only my German perspective). Writing the software is the easy part.
@@hendrikd2113 I'm not sure how they would prove you are using computer vision to read the cards. It would be impossible for them to know that. All they would be able to do is tell if you are consistently/always doing well, then make an assumption that you must be using something.
See the thing with online blackjack decks is that you can never be sure that they’re using 6 decks… They always cut the show in half, so you never get a chance to actually see if they not adding more low cards in the deck.
I simply loved this video!!! Could you please do another video about online card counting??? Is it possible to write down the cards that are being dealt when you are playing online?? I play online and play mostly infinite blackjack with 4 different side bets cause I play blackjack mainly because of sides and I wouldn’t even think of playing blackjack without the sides. Is it possible to apply the card counting strategy to hit the sides on perfect pairs and 21+ 3( Three card - Dealer’s up card vs player’s 2 cards)?????? This could be a stupid question so I am sorry and it’s because I play online and you can see the way I play online on my videos and it’s pretty tough to win. Fellow gambler from Canada and I have subscribed to your channel!!!
Setting aside whether I think it's morally acceptable to keep the money.... I really wanted to include that update and if I _were_ to keep the money it would be unwise to mention it in a video.
@@stevenbridges be super careful returning it, and go through your bank. A common scam is to *accidentally* pay someone, demand it back, and once they pay immediately pull it back from their bank.
Dang, your co-pilot segment is VERY tempting. I’ve always wanted to hire a personal trainer but never really take action. This looks like a perfect alternative!
The blackjack games online are so slow and that's the best reason not to play online, no to mention you won't get but 40 to 50 percent deck penetration. Your expected EV wouldn't be much even if your max bet was five hundred a hand, not to mention you would rarely see the true count go above five or six because of the poor deck pen.
Yeah Benjamin Squires, who is a very successful and insanely talented musician. So it's incredibly funny to me that he took the time to make that just for it to be in the last few seconds of the video 😂
Figured this was a bad idea lol. Good to know. I’ve been counting cards for awhile. Since 2018. But I’ve always been stuck. Counting cards at home when it’s quiet and practicing is super easy. But counting cards at the casino when it’s loud is a lot harder. Can’t get over it. Keeping track of the running count, then dividing and getting true count, then keeping track of the value of my hand then the dealers hand, then figuring bet spread, all while people are trying to talk to you while they’re drunk. Then the dealer trying to talk to you and the pit boss. Extremely hard. Always lose count. And it’s such a slow grind. Not worth it with my small bank account lol. Already kicked out of mgm and barely won anything.
Oh its really simple to do. While you are busy doing other things instead of counting. Do way more counting n i mean waaaaay more. My brain math is easy. My daughters not so much. So if urs is not a math brain then u may need 2x or 3x more practice. But you still can do it
Yes, even dealers in Wendover, NV are sex trafficked and work at the strip club also. They have their passports confiscated and are threatened. One had a breakdown in the restaurant and I was 1 booth away. A nondescript white guy who happened to know their language in the middle of the desert.
I'm guessing they are aware of this and would simply ban you from the site. Just like a regular casino. Only difference is that you need to give them your personal information to withdraw money so you know they'd screw you over in the future if you used a new vpn to keep playing or something.
Nice video, it's very easy to count automatically, there is no need to be on the room waiting for the hand, just write some script to count it and alarm you when having a good count :P
Always wondered this: because you're playing online and it's easier to keep track of the cards, couldn't you develop a new counting method that tracks every card individually? Instead of using hi-lo, this new method keep tracks of every card that has been dealt and every card remaning. Would obviously have to use some sort of software, but wouldn't this more accurate count make the game playable even with bad penetration?
Consider this: even if you have a perfectly accurate tracking program, it still doesn't solve the problem that you won't get many favorable positions in the first place. Even if it increases by 20%, it will still be nothing
I think part of their strategy is to give people less time to think how much to bet, so they act more impulsive. No idea if they do it on purpose, but I tried and had the same experience as you. Maybe I should have looked this video first hahaha
So there are down sides to playing online, BUT remember no backoffs, no time spent traveling to casinos, no hotels etc. Also, if you can trust the average user to play right (Haha), you can back bet, and get up to 7 hands when the count is good. And you can play whenever you want.
No backoffs? There are bans for sure. And you can't disguise around them. Only way is getting bank accounts with a new name.. And that is questionable. The real downside online blackjack is the horrific games they offer.
7 hours of not getting a TC +2. Hahhahaha that's brutal. Fun video, very needed. Hopefully we see less people who ask the dumb question of "can you count cards online?"
I like your beard. :) All the Very Sads had me giggling after a while. Glad you didn't lose All your money, and glad you did the research for us. Thanks! :)
I will say there are some tables with deeper deck penetration up to 75% but very rare. It depends on if u can find a table where someone manually shuffles.
I'd like to see you bring some magic back to your card counting video's . How about some street magic in vegas ... in addition to Card counting escapades? Love your content .
If I had an online casino, it would be all digital (no live dealers) but cheap games would be poor odds and high stakes would be the best games. $1 blackjack would be poor odds, $100/hand would be simulated single deck like El Cortez at 0.18% house edge. Craps would be 10x odds, baccarat would pay 9x on ties, and the poker room would still have an optional tip jar because even without a dealer; people still think they have to tip.
if there was anything i learned, it's stay away from online casinos because they will try to avoid having to pay you for winning and claim they couldn't read your information because it was "too blurry". that sounds like a head ache not worth going through. also definitely a good call to at least try and reach out and let them know about the mistake, so if they ever tried to sue you for not giving the money back at least you have proof that you saw it and tried to reach out and resolve it.
Sending you twice the amount or extra amount when you withdraw is typical typical money laundering or something to that effect. After they did that, they usually said due to a system / technical error, we sent the wrong amount, you have to transfer to us back or else we can sue you as fraud. But little you aware, the money they sent over is probably dirty money or scammed from someone else. When you transfer back, it becomes clean money from you.
This matches my experience trying to play online BJ and via the same provider. I think one out of ~7 days of playing I was up. Every other time, my bankroll drained to nothing. While I’m not counting, I’m playing perfect BJ strategy and that’s still not good enough. It’s a shame because it’s enjoyable and convenient to be able to just play some hands on my phone - but they are too greedy so it’s too much of a losing prospect (meaning worse than even just the typical house edge). Bummer.
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6:57 i would have blurred that bit too, unless thats all wrong.
@@rustypeanuts the cvv was 123 so i'm assuming it's fake
shave the beard
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I would have kept the money they gave you. I really want to see you in European casinos too
Out of curiosity can you card count in the uk?
Ask the CEO to send a photo of their passport in order for you to send their money back. Then tell them it's too blurry.
That would totally work. Good idea
That’s good 😂
Good idea
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Them asking for info when you're requesting withdraw is illegal according to the UKGC btw. My friend (UK) had this happen to him as well. He didn't wanna upload a picture of his passport due to insecurity of being a fatty at the time, so he literally reported them to the UKGC and eventually got his money without having to send a single document.
Damn I wish I'd known I would have refused.
I've actually submitted a SAR so I'll be interested to see what I get back.
Doesn't matter, they will do it anyway. They don't get fined enough.
I work in CS for a UK based gambling company, and I can confirm that what you said comes with a caveat.
We need to, for fraud reasons, ask security questions when a client wants to talk about withdrawals (or anything payment related) on chat. If they fail said questions, then we are obligated to ask for proof of identity and proof of address. If they know the answers to their questions then there's no issues.
I was playing online Poker and making good money about 13 years ago. Due to personal life I had to take a break. When I came back, all my money was gone from Titan Poker (fortunately not the biggest amount of my bankroll, but it was still 1,5k). Supposedly someone from a completely different country IP played with my account and gambled it all away. Yet no other Poker site had that happen (Full Tilt, Pokerstars, Party Poker). My account and the account the money was transfered to got closed and they just kept the money. When I contacted the support and also had evidence it couldn't have been me, they just told me "tough luck bro".
That's when I completely stopped doing it. Admittedly never had issues with Stars or PartyPoker, but the risk was too high and the big Poker hype ended anyway.
Seriously? jesus christ haha being a fatty can be a W?
The irony of a card counter notifying a casino that they accidentally sent him money twice is not lost on me
I know i would take it gladly lol, not ur fault for their mistake
you will get sued into oblivion@@jabbaryu5399
@@jabbaryu5399 true its not your fault, but you are liable for it if they want it back later in life.
It likely wasn't an accident. Think about it from the perspective of a gambling addict. They just got "free" money, and I would bet my bottom dollar that the slimy sites do this to play on that addict mentality that whenever you get any kind of extra money or windfall, it excited your brain to gamble. Online gambling is so predatory at every turn it's insane, and all I do is watch others gamble.
@@frostyreindeer5557They have paid him what he won, no reason to give more. Ridiculous speculation.
Nobody on earth , has watched more online gambling (Blackjack) than me , guaranteed , with that being said , if you like your money ..never , ever , gamble online. Great content by the way !
Rule changes when gambling physically?
Yes. Online you can’t resplit pairs or double down after split. Plus they might have a hidden Blackjack, whereas is an IRL casino, they will flip it over immediately.
Yeah never ever gamble ~online~
@@huh0123unless you can count cards,it’s probably best never to gamble AT ALL
Former dealer here. I was working for the same company but in Canada back in 2017 when they started. Unlike a real casino, they can't see you, you could even in theory write down and make notes with computers and such, so the rule was created to be a shoe of 8 decks of cards cut in half after shuffle, but it's more of a visually cut in half like seen in the video, hence the counting card on Online casino is useless... Also, from what I can see that is the quality of dealers they hired is horrendous.. They all seemed to be hating their job!! You should've seen how I hosted my games.
Do you think it would be possible to make money of online blackjack? Not necessarily card counting
What strategy would you suggest to make money of online blackjack?
Yes here is the best strategy: don’t gamble online.
@@Knight5533 You can extend that to "Don't gamble in general"
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Pls don’t stop uploading card counting content
I love making it! I'll keep doing it provided I think each series provides something interesting and new. If it becomes just a series of 'Hi Steven you can't play here and by the way give me your I.D' I'll stop.
@@stevenbridges love the vids man
@@stevenbridges Have you tried shaving your beard tho?
@@stevenbridges does this game only which give money or you think you can win at crazy time too
I mean, he counts cards for a living, so I'm sure he won't stop making content any time soon.
Pick up on your vids a few days ago and am utterly fascinated with them. The way you take the time to explain to things is incredible. Your trip through the US was so cool. Thx for sharing.
When you are asked for the second withdrawal to be sent back to them, make sure you give them some checks and reject those a few times too :)
Genius
I never realized I needed blackjack content in my life. But I do. Keep ‘em comin Steven
Thank you Cole! I appreciate you leaving a comment.
@@stevenbridges We appreciate you making this amazing content for us!
@@SPACECOWBOY_Hej anytime you use a computer itsusualy not beaten except w poker where there are live people the sports sites and others are just random or controlled the toullette in casino are random if its a live spin o ntables or electronic w the big wheel
I have no idea how to play blackjack, I don't ever intend to as I have an addictive personality but this is my "guilty pleasure" channel. Something is so....weirdly wholesome about it.
haha I do the same thing with cruise reviewers channels. I hate the idea of cruises, but it's cool to watch someone else enjoy them.
You've made the right choice because only a special kind of person can successfully count cards.
You have to be detached from the money, and you can't play for the thrill of it.
Its for the person who sees it as a job and will treat it as such
This series is great! Would love more card counting stuff. If that's looking less likely because of being backed off, have you thought about other similar things that fall in the same bucket? Would love to see you try court siding!
Yeah I have some other ideas that are roughly in the same ballpark that could be fun
Hey Steven. 'Breathe of fresh air. No idea why I'm watching videos on something I know nothing about, but in the increasingly desperate environment of 'shopkeepers' that TH-cam has become, it's a rare treat to watch a video by somebody who comes across as genuine and down to earth, but also with no additional agenda other than an interest in sharing his experiences. And I genuinely laughed at the part where you zoomed out and did the "very sad" bit with the echo/reverb! 😂
Hahah thanks mate - glad you liked that edit!
And thank you! Just to clarify, I do have a spon every video, and I’m not against selling merch or monetising my channel. I monetise my channel thoroughly so that when I eventually fall off I’m not screwed financially 🙂 But yeah I make these videos primarily because I love to.
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Having been a matched bettor for years, they are actually disgusting the loops you have to jump through to get withdrawals to go through! Great content my man
Do you still actively match bet? I use to a couple years back and was very profitable, however the reloads started getting worse and worse.
I hear The US legalising sports bets in many areas has made it profitable again?
Ive just recently stopped, its not worth the time really now, i went fulltime for 2 years and made about 120k as i did it for about 19 people, but its not worth it no more unfortunately, worse offers/sign ups, bannings/holding withdrawals etc
you call it disgusting but you dont keep in mind that without others might hack your account pretending to be you and cash your money out… 😅
This video is the wake up call I needed to stop wasting my time and money with online blackjack. Thank you lol
Glad it could have that effect!
Here in the Netherlands all the checks have to be before you gamble, they're extremely strict on gambling here.
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The reason I think they intentionally say it’s too blurry is to prolong the process and get you to play. They will sometimes wait 12 hours or more to let you repeat process and before you know it, it’s been a week and you have 100 perfectly
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Online card counting may have been a flop, but you've been crushing your online fitness! Keep it up 💪
Haha thank you CoPilot! :D
STEVEN BRIDGES I MISSED YOU
Your videos are so entertaining and really shine a light on how awful casinos are to their players. Glad to see an upload from you again:)
Thanks Gabs!
The slow/impossible cashout is as much part of preventing counting as the bad game rules. Obviously these casinos are shady, but it'd also be almost impossibly to run one honestly. The strategy here would be to automate instead of sitting around for hours, evaluating each table and alerting you when the count is high. There isn't much they can do, these are just plain video streams in the background, likely even unauthenticated. You just need to visit every table once to get their URL. I've played around with this a bit, recording automatically generated football games that people can bet on online. The lack of asymmetry compared to a real casino meant that I had a few hundred thousand games to analyze in a couple of days. They can't bank on a counters being a small part of their business as a single counter could be every account on every table.
I've made bots that could scrape every bit of info needed for this, and then respond. It was my first "real" python project. My entire thought process throughout the video was how I would go about modifying it for blackjack.
I did it then with permission from the game developer as a proof of concept, but if there's money to be had people will come. Even if it is absolutely illegal to do so here.
Online casinos really aren't that shady. I've made some decent money using casino offers arbitrage, which requires you to play a lot of hands of blackjack (without card counting) as well as lots of fruit machine games. I've probably got accounts at about 50 different online casinos. Most of them will ask you to confirm your identity and payment details when you join, and that is usually sufficient to prove address and income (required by the UK govt before they should open an account for you).
On the odd occasion I've been unable to cash out, it's because the identity stuff hadn't been completed on account creation - but you can always check whether you have been validated at any time, and upload the proof of ID, etc, at any time before cashing out.
I've never felt truly inconvenienced, nor that any online casino was being 'shady'. On the handful of times I had a problem, it was due to their procedures failing, or getting a bad customer service rep on the online chat.
@@AGryphonTamer any updates?
This is exactly what I was thinking too. If you could make a program that monitors ~100 or so black jack games andm check all of the table’s running counts, and make the program bet as a card counter woul, you could possibly make a lot of money
With enough effort put in, it might be very hard to detect even for a human. I wonder if there aren't any captcha now and then. Even those can be bought though
To start off yeah, u cant profit counting online realistically. The only reason I can reccommend to do it is play on stake, go to the $1-5000 table, switch to CAD and its a good way to practice ( to an extent ) while being able have minimum bet at £0.61
It always amazes me the lengths that casinos go to in order to thwart card counting, a very niche activity that few people can do well; by enacting measures like terrible penetration, they are essentially spending thousands to save pennies.
I'm way more amazed at the lengths they will go to keep dissuade you from cashing out. My god. It's just criminal. They *should* pay out twice, for those happy few that get past all the barriers, to compensate the cost of a shrink and an anger management course.
@@seheytin the US it's up to the individual States for gambling laws, and states I've gambled online they're required to get your information before finalizing account creation.
Also refusing the allow a withdrawal would open themselves up to significant penalties, anytime I've withdrawn from an online casino, it's approved within 12 hours while them guaranteeing response for withdrawal requests within 24-48 hours.
Steven, as someone who has been playing BJ online for 4 years or so now, I honestly can say I NEVER relized they show you double the amount you actually won. My mind is freaking blown right now. By the way, I'm down THOUSANDS, Don't gamble online people!
My take on the logic id that it would be easy to write software to perfectly count cards, so they must implement a strategy to make it pointless. Shuffling slowly just puts clients onto other tables, and I'm guessing that the high stake don't make you wait!
Hi Steven. Hope you're having a wonderful day. Words can't describe the excitement I felt when I saw that you uploaded. Love the content.
That's so nice of you, thank you!
Never ever cut your beard!! You look absolutely FANTASTIC AND JUST MARVELOUS!!! 😤
6:54 I’ve got your bin now I’m gonna buy a card with the same 6 digits as you claimed they don’t care about security indicating they were non vbv. Thanks!
I asked for a audit of the decks. I wanted to see them face up. I got banned. I suspect they load the decks with more low cards and the deck itself is in the negative (countwise).
Oh that's interesting! Yeah the thing is for them to do that, LOTS of people would have to be in on it. And all it would take is for someone with software to do an analysis over a few weeks and they've have one hell of a lawsuit on their hands.
Maybe with the sketchy crypo casinos?
I personally suspect that they load the high cards in the rear of the shoe, and then stack the shuffle to maintain the acrd distribution in general. This way the shoe could be audited and show complete decks, but the players never see the 60% half of the shoe, just the 40% bit@@stevenbridges
@@stevenbridges They don't need to cheat. They know it would be easy to watch the tables and jump in at the right time. With the short penetration they know that for the most part the count will hardly ever be positive enough to play plus the bad rules they have easily stopped counting. It also helps them in the long run because it will reduce variance for everyone else. So the people that jump in randomly at the right time and win big will be reduced.
Bro they 100 percent do this. I asked myself to see since I noticed mainly low cards coming out every hand and dealer pulling 21s, an got banned 😂
They do not do that
If I'm going to guess the main reason for why they are making it this hard to count cards online is to prevent bots from doing it. Because that has to be a massive issue for online blackjack games.
A follower sent me here about the issue at 12:20 - it's way out of hand with sports betting, made several videos about it myself. It's like a bouncer checking you on the way out of a pub (if you had money left in your pockets only).
I let my friend borrow my sony A7 once for one of his photography class. He told me he was going to take some astrophotography photos the next week which was fine by me.
Little did I know that involved a 15 hour drive to Yellowstone to catch some eclipse photos... You can imagine how mortified I was when he came back explaining to me he did not know you needed a filter for eclipse photos... My camera sensor was fried.
And my college buddy was broke, so I never did get a new one from him!
Wow mate. You’re replying and love hearing a lot of comments. Bravo for keeping in touch with the community. Love your videos. Keep it up mate
I literally am grateful every single time I upload that I still have an audience so I want to reply to comments 😃
Awww that's sweet :)
Yes, we're still here
Doing Blackjack offers with Matched betting has proved profitable for me over the years but it is a painfully slow process at times playing, sometimes can’t even get onto the tables 😂
Speaking as someone with a career in computer systems, it seems clear that the online casinos are obviously cheating you - the apparent instability, getting constantly "timed out" or losing you connection seems way beyond anything other than intentional manipulation, clearly designed to frustrate you and/or rush you. The only reason to play so little of a given shoe at the cost of all that wasted playing time is that they are milking you so hard that they don't care about how long it takes.
If you really work in anything related to computers you would know that shitty programs are everywhere.
Here in the UK, gambling is under regulated due to lobbying from the companies. I personally think that the English Premier League is propped up massively by recreational and problem gambling
I've got a new one, shave half your beard off, then only play tables in the corner. That way, depending on which way you're facing, you're a different person. Voila!
Million dollar idea!
Your content is on fire! You've already overcome BJA's content. I say that cause you have no problem in investing a good time to experience and, therefore, being able to talk about the theme with a huge knowledge. Long-date fan but now a subscriber as well! Keep the good work.
Thanks so much! We spend a heck of a long time on the edit because we really want to make sure the video is good. 😃
Them sending the withdrawal twice is hilarious. Would you be liable if you don't notice it for a while and don't notify them?
I think they'd be able to demand the money back. I haven't heard back from them yet re the double withdrawal.
@StevenBridges keep it, it's compensation for your troubles whilst trying to withdraw ;)
In the US, if you knowingly don't try and refund the money, it's illegal. The key is knowingly. In this case such a small amount could easily be overlooked and one could claim they didn't notice it. However, for larger amounts you would be prosecuted. It has happened, where people haven't returned mistakes in the 100's of thousands of dollars.
It's not the same as someone at a casino giving you an extra banknote on accident because banks and digital records are involved.
Liable for what lol Casino sends you money, you keep it. Simple
Man ai just watched the whole series today. I skipped work. Absolutely enthralling. I hope we get season 4, 5, 6 ❤️
Hey Steven, just wanted to say your videos have inspired me to learn card counting. Keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Muy! I recommend: blackjackapprenticeship.com/?steven
@@stevenbridges I really don't like that you just plugged an affiliate link there
@@newman77777 what's the issue?
That’s what he used, and thousands of others. It’s one of the best places to learn. What’s the problem? BJA has been around over a decade and are well known
That’s what he used, and thousands of others. It’s one of the best places to learn. What’s the problem? BJA has been around over a decade and are well known
I don't know about the UK but in the US you're not legally required to notify a company if they accidentally pay you too much money. Unless they come to you asking for it back you aren't obligated to do anything.
I quit online Casino Blackjack after 10 consecutive sessions where I never got better than a 17 to start and the dealer had 9,10 , Ace or Face cards 80% of the time and would hardly bust or pull miracle cards whenever I had the advantage. It's just no fun or point when it appears things are manipulated!
Feels like these games were only one step less sketchy than games of "How Many Fingers Am I Holding Up Under This Table."
In my experience you can't count cards online because when they shuffle they sometimes put the next shuffle card in like the first 25% of the deck. So you have only a quarter making the odds really worse. You see alot of card shuffling when playing online BlackJack.
They take the tens out and place more low cards in so the decks are not right on evolution I tried to 😢
Something I always asked myself: what if the casino replaces some cards in the shoe holding a value of ten with cards with a low value (2.3,4,..), making the game less favourable for the player. Nobody would notice. Except a card counter, who would experience to never get a positive count in hour-long sessions ... Isn't that what Steven saw ? Just my two cents
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Excellent video. It's one thing to hear about how bad online casinos are, it's another to see it.
Thanks Tom, glad you liked it!
Yes Steven, been waiting for this one for a while👍❤️
Great stuff man - you have content no one else does, and every video is so well put together! Thanks!!
My new favorite channel on TH-cam
@ 1:09 - "We can't cash you it. It's our proto-cow"
@14:42 In USA it not, BUT if they contact you within X number of days, then you have to return it. After X number of days, you CAN give it back, but are not required to.
That X number of days will vary state to state, some 10 business days, some 31 days, some 1 year.
Love your content keep it up a few more months before I can start practicing in my state
Amazing video, finally a good TH-camr making quality videos on things I enjoy!
Is there any way to verify that they actually have an equal number of each card in a shoe? Can the house increase their odds that way?
They could do it and perhaps some do, but it would require a heck of a lot of people to be in on it and that would be risky.
been waiting for a new video absolutely fell in love with the last series
Thanks very much Damien! I am unbelievably slow at putting together videos
The biggest problem I found with counting cards with live dealers is the awful deck penetration. From the two sites I've been on, they will literally will cut the deck in half of an 8 deck shoe. Can't really do much with that.
Did u watch the video
@@prod6917 I did and I know he mentions it. Just saying that that is MY biggest problem with it
@@guibox3from the way you said it it sounded like you were bringing up something different from what was mentioned in the video
I play a LOT of speed black jack, im not sure if you know this, im not entirely through the video, but speed blackjack is basically hit whenever, whoever hits first gets the card. Its more so a “when youre feeling it” type of game compared to getting whatever comes to you in regular blackjack when depending on where youre sitting and who does what before you. Speed blackjack i could wait for the dude who i know is going to double down his 11, OR if i need a 10 and i think one is coming i could try to hit before he does so i get the 10. Idk, i enjoy it more
Also, on evolution such as speed blackjack, siders pay real well. Up to 100:1 for suited trips. I always play siders, but i make sure that my hand is big enough to make it make sense for if i win the hand but lose both siders i still profited enough.
Wasn't it theoretically possible to use a computer to take a screenshot via a program from the table and read the numbers of the cards and then have the computer count the cards? The numbers were quite large font in these online casinos. Then you could perhaps see the standings at several tables and take over the betting of the money yourself.
It's possible, but you will have to go to court to get that money.
There terms of service will have some clause 'forbidding' you from botting. You will therefor (this would prob. work he in Germany) find a reason, why there terms of service are invalid, and therefor void. (Again, speculation, not legal advise, only my German perspective).
Writing the software is the easy part.
@@hendrikd2113 I'm not sure how they would prove you are using computer vision to read the cards. It would be impossible for them to know that. All they would be able to do is tell if you are consistently/always doing well, then make an assumption that you must be using something.
I checked two days ago if there was any new uploads from you - then got blessed with content today! Second time this has happened haha
See the thing with online blackjack decks is that you can never be sure that they’re using 6 decks…
They always cut the show in half, so you never get a chance to actually see if they not adding more low cards in the deck.
I simply loved this video!!! Could you please do another video about online card counting??? Is it possible to write down the cards that are being dealt when you are playing online?? I play online and play mostly infinite blackjack with 4 different side bets cause I play blackjack mainly because of sides and I wouldn’t even think of playing blackjack without the sides. Is it possible to apply the card counting strategy to hit the sides on perfect pairs and 21+ 3( Three card - Dealer’s up card vs player’s 2 cards)?????? This could be a stupid question so I am sorry and it’s because I play online and you can see the way I play online on my videos and it’s pretty tough to win. Fellow gambler from Canada and I have subscribed to your channel!!!
@14:38 You absolutely keep that extra deposit they sent you. Those criminals deserve every bit of bad luck that comes their way.
Setting aside whether I think it's morally acceptable to keep the money.... I really wanted to include that update and if I _were_ to keep the money it would be unwise to mention it in a video.
@@stevenbridges crazy and I dont think its fraud if they do a mistake and lets say you dont even notice it...
@@peterers3 They have to not notice it too, at all times they can ask their money back
@@stevenbridges be super careful returning it, and go through your bank. A common scam is to *accidentally* pay someone, demand it back, and once they pay immediately pull it back from their bank.
Dang, your co-pilot segment is VERY tempting. I’ve always wanted to hire a personal trainer but never really take action. This looks like a perfect alternative!
I love it. You can get a free trial right now using my link. So if you don’t like it no harm done. But it’s damn good
The blackjack games online are so slow and that's the best reason not to play online, no to mention you won't get but 40 to 50 percent deck penetration. Your expected EV wouldn't be much even if your max bet was five hundred a hand, not to mention you would rarely see the true count go above five or six because of the poor deck pen.
Yep! I think I only have a true 3+ one time. Made even simming the spread almost pointless.
A Dooma video and a Steven Bridges video pop up at nearly the same time. It's a good day.
Happy Monday!
Have you tried shaving your beard?
The beard makes up 50% of his looks
Yeah, it’s 50% of his face. Makes sense 😂
@@owenmcneill7746 What i mean is that he'll look weird without it
Excellent videos my man! This one is great! It really helps understand why online is so brutal. Very inspirational you are. Thanks for this So much.
Am I being stupid or can you see his full bank details at 6:57? 😅😅😅
It's a fake card number :)
That’s it, the „We are ready” song at the end needs to be there at the end of every video, no cap
Yeah Benjamin Squires, who is a very successful and insanely talented musician. So it's incredibly funny to me that he took the time to make that just for it to be in the last few seconds of the video 😂
Figured this was a bad idea lol. Good to know. I’ve been counting cards for awhile. Since 2018. But I’ve always been stuck. Counting cards at home when it’s quiet and practicing is super easy. But counting cards at the casino when it’s loud is a lot harder. Can’t get over it. Keeping track of the running count, then dividing and getting true count, then keeping track of the value of my hand then the dealers hand, then figuring bet spread, all while people are trying to talk to you while they’re drunk. Then the dealer trying to talk to you and the pit boss. Extremely hard. Always lose count. And it’s such a slow grind. Not worth it with my small bank account lol. Already kicked out of mgm and barely won anything.
Oh its really simple to do. While you are busy doing other things instead of counting.
Do way more counting n i mean waaaaay more. My brain math is easy. My daughters not so much. So if urs is not a math brain then u may need 2x or 3x more practice.
But you still can do it
does anyone else think the dealers in the online games look like victims of human trafficking?
Yes, even dealers in Wendover, NV are sex trafficked and work at the strip club also. They have their passports confiscated and are threatened. One had a breakdown in the restaurant and I was 1 booth away. A nondescript white guy who happened to know their language in the middle of the desert.
"Copilot cannot guarantee videos of puppies as part of service" 😂🐶
Whats stopping an online player to use a program that will count cards for them?
Bingo
I'm guessing they are aware of this and would simply ban you from the site. Just like a regular casino. Only difference is that you need to give them your personal information to withdraw money so you know they'd screw you over in the future if you used a new vpn to keep playing or something.
I'm so glad you made this video because I'm tired of all of those stupid reddit posts that ask about online blackjack.
I have loved the series you have uploaded! Love listening to the stories you have put together for us!
Nice video, it's very easy to count automatically, there is no need to be on the room waiting for the hand, just write some script to count it and alarm you when having a good count :P
Always wondered this: because you're playing online and it's easier to keep track of the cards, couldn't you develop a new counting method that tracks every card individually? Instead of using hi-lo, this new method keep tracks of every card that has been dealt and every card remaning. Would obviously have to use some sort of software, but wouldn't this more accurate count make the game playable even with bad penetration?
Consider this: even if you have a perfectly accurate tracking program, it still doesn't solve the problem that you won't get many favorable positions in the first place. Even if it increases by 20%, it will still be nothing
There is a lot of software to count cards and automation for it
I think part of their strategy is to give people less time to think how much to bet, so they act more impulsive. No idea if they do it on purpose, but I tried and had the same experience as you. Maybe I should have looked this video first hahaha
All the dealers look miserable lol
So there are down sides to playing online, BUT remember no backoffs, no time spent traveling to casinos, no hotels etc. Also, if you can trust the average user to play right (Haha), you can back bet, and get up to 7 hands when the count is good. And you can play whenever you want.
No backoffs? There are bans for sure. And you can't disguise around them. Only way is getting bank accounts with a new name.. And that is questionable.
The real downside online blackjack is the horrific games they offer.
But.... the beard?
Ikr
14:18 Steven with bed head was not something I expected to see lol
This is rough because with like 6 decks the count would have to be plus 30 to even be a true +5. Card counting really only works well with 2 decks
Nah not really. You can count cards with a six shoe. But it can only done WITHOUT an cuttingcard.
Steven!!! Glad to see your back man!
we are waiting for new card counting videos! keep going please.. love and respect from Turkey.
Just watching the online blackjack games would be good counting practice at least lol
7 hours of not getting a TC +2. Hahhahaha that's brutal. Fun video, very needed. Hopefully we see less people who ask the dumb question of "can you count cards online?"
Yup I always says to people you need the perfect shuffle to make counting worth it online and you probly get that once every 15-20 shuffles
I missed your videos! So binge worthy! You definitely need to post more often! ;)
I will try!
I like your beard. :) All the Very Sads had me giggling after a while. Glad you didn't lose All your money, and glad you did the research for us. Thanks! :)
Hey Steven , great content dude, my main question though is… which site paid your withdrawal twice, I want to sign up?
Wasn't expecting that sponsored ad! Kinda what I need as well
It’s honestly excellent. I still use it every work out
I will say there are some tables with deeper deck penetration up to 75% but very rare. It depends on if u can find a table where someone manually shuffles.
I'd like to see you bring some magic back to your card counting video's . How about some street magic in vegas ... in addition to Card counting escapades? Love your content .
If I had an online casino, it would be all digital (no live dealers) but cheap games would be poor odds and high stakes would be the best games. $1 blackjack would be poor odds, $100/hand would be simulated single deck like El Cortez at 0.18% house edge. Craps would be 10x odds, baccarat would pay 9x on ties, and the poker room would still have an optional tip jar because even without a dealer; people still think they have to tip.
if there was anything i learned, it's stay away from online casinos because they will try to avoid having to pay you for winning and claim they couldn't read your information because it was "too blurry". that sounds like a head ache not worth going through. also definitely a good call to at least try and reach out and let them know about the mistake, so if they ever tried to sue you for not giving the money back at least you have proof that you saw it and tried to reach out and resolve it.
Sending you twice the amount or extra amount when you withdraw is typical typical money laundering or something to that effect. After they did that, they usually said due to a system / technical error, we sent the wrong amount, you have to transfer to us back or else we can sue you as fraud. But little you aware, the money they sent over is probably dirty money or scammed from someone else. When you transfer back, it becomes clean money from you.
That's not how it works and will obviously show up in an audit
your a better man than me. if the casino sent me back my losses i wouldnt call it fraud, just compensation 😂
This matches my experience trying to play online BJ and via the same provider. I think one out of ~7 days of playing I was up. Every other time, my bankroll drained to nothing. While I’m not counting, I’m playing perfect BJ strategy and that’s still not good enough. It’s a shame because it’s enjoyable and convenient to be able to just play some hands on my phone - but they are too greedy so it’s too much of a losing prospect (meaning worse than even just the typical house edge). Bummer.
Keep up the good job. I would love to see a video of you playing blackjack in Monte Carlo