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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- The guys go back and forth with Ray Daniels on reasons they believe Rap music as a whole is failing.
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It's like when that neighborhood restaurant w great real food turns into a fast food franchise yeah the place looks better and the workers are getting paid more but the quality of the food is trash because now everything is processed. Investors need to just supply the ingredients, keep the lights on etc while creators come up good recipes and just cook it and you need a person who knows their consumers, taste the food and put out the best plates that'll generate the most money
Great analogy bruh
Perfect analogy
This aint no conspiracy about how they tryna get rid of Hip Hop because we been dominant. If Hip Hop fails its on us, end off! Not some white guy in the office who dont know the culture. The truth is culture has gone down the drain, they don't even say As and Bs on their songs anymore. It's all gibberish. "Shahbsnld dbhshhd shjfhf", type of bullshxt. You got Drake who dont wanna grow up, hair looking like my aunty whe she's getting her hair done and dressed like oversized uncle. Its all a curcus in Hip Hop. When we call out this type of shxt, you called a hater, you old bluh bluh bluh. True Hip Hop died long time ago. Whatever this is nowadays we need to think of new genre to call it.
💯 You'll never see new A Tribe Called Quest, Busta Rhymes, Nas, Rakim anymore... SMH. Rappers don't make music you can chill to and reflect college and university life and daily life in general. 90s rappers dropped jewels.
Most children will bob to anything with a beat add a repetitive lyric and the youth are hooked that plus social and intellectual competence is shunned so of course the music sounds horrible.
People are tired of listening to violence and death.
💯 this is why none of these new artists have no longevity
Esso's cup analogy is awesome!
A question also worth asking is how much of the consumer's shifting sensibilities play into this. While the standards for making Rap music have arguably diminished, the needs and wants of the listener have also changed. While increasing profitability is an important KPI in an organization's measure of success, being able to deliver against the ever-changing needs and wants of the consumer is also extremely important. This evidences an effective engagement strategy that will support the long-term goal of sustained product consumption; thereby, achieving profitability. Ultimately, I believe that the new generation of Hip Hop artists has come to understand that authenticity is no longer lucrative for most and that following a proven model of success is a small sacrifice when the payoff is removing your family from abject poverty.
Being a visionary doesn't always lead to an opportunity to increase earnings, profitability, and market share but maintaining a pulse on what the audience wants and creating products that deliver against these wants is what supports the drive to success. If factual, the reduction in Rap music sales might be because Afro-Beats has identified a niche as well as, the shifting interests of the listeners. Great discussion guys - Keep'em coming!!
Great conversation. I’m ready for the full interview ASAP.
Ray Daniel’s is saying some real shit!!! They got this cat from around my way that just signed with cash money. Dawg on my kids I have no idea how the dude got a record deal and I know he not cappin based on his instagram. But I’ve never heard one song by this dude and never been in a car playing any of his music. I’m not trying to hate. All respect to the young god but like ray Daniel was saying these record labels ain’t signing talent they looking at followers.
there is nothing original across all industries, not just music. thats the real problem. plus the time making music and the payout isnt adding up. thats why hip-hop is down 40%
Cause the talent 😂😂😂 paying the professionals and most real talent broke
As a people, we must learn to connect the dots, 40% is significant in terms of drop but understanding the why and what is important, Hynaken made some valid points
Harpin over the whys wouldn't that pin just a few big killers in the game in a small niche market where heavy concentration is required at the expert level. That pushes out all the other damn good artist, pay them less and not get the glory, as pay and shine is what's at the forefront. What's the incentive for them to perform at the level of the greats or close to?
Been speaking on this conspiracy since 1997
Good dialog, Fam. It's this simple - low investment, high return, trim the fat, and rinse & repeat. The business model is meant to be DIVISIVE for optimum ownership & control over EVERYTHING associated, including one's own Mind, Body & Soul. 💯
Lyor Cohen has cashed out
Hip hop will go the way classical music has gone. It will be just a historical reference
They never listed to Dame
Technically he still eating off rap thru the TH-cam/Google head of music just now its all online
Today's hip hop is garbage. I don't even care to listen to new hip hop. I will listen to Cole or Kendrick when they drop but I don't bother with many new artists. You actually had to have talent to make a record back in the day. I have resorted to going back and listening to 70's records.
Interesting conversation hip hop is over
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He stated facts, I don't hear 🔥🔥🔥. Case in point of what he is talking about. Trash listeners too.
We been saying some of this new artist are trash. They will have one good song, gets played all over the world, then bring in established artist on the remix and your stock goes up for a while then you drop. But you get called a hater for pointing it out 🤷🏿♂️. You you wanna stop young people from getting money bluh bluh bluh. While other genres of music still say their As and Bs, hip hop is all gibberish and one hit wonders....
Can we even talk about how commercial Soul and R&B disappeared within 10 years since 2010? They shut down the Black music divisions, in fact most divisions except for COUNTRY. I wonder why?
Yo this was a really dope conversation. Everybody's perspective was excellent
This was a good episode. I would love to see more conversations in regards to the business of West Coast music transitioning to East Coast after to Biggie and Tupac ish. West Coast is popping right now and New York, to me ,(as a Brooklyn Baby) is repetitive. Shout out to JD and the whole southern movement but I don't think they moving like the West Coast...tell me different?
The labels bottom line is down 40% Hip hop as a whole could never be down lots of brothers and sister's getting money from it that they can't 👣
If the East and West Coast dont come back strong (real artists with substance) hip hop is over!! People are tired of this fly by night low talent southern country sh*t!
I think the Midwest needs to take over. The east and west coast already had their time to shine
Ok Ray is New York..so that mean a patreon EP will be out with Ray on the joe budden pod..
Hip Hop artists need to go back to marketing towards REAL hip hop heads
For years artists just want a hit, and promote to everyone who listens to music instead of going to hip hop heads, and the people who will like your style within that group. This makes your money be spent more directly which means your fanbase can grow
If you just throw your money in all directions, you lose more then you gain
Exactly 💯💯
This is gold
🎯 All y’all was on point… dope conversation… definitely missed on MEO…
4:54 Esso is right. With that being said once you get to that realization dont allow them to use you as a place holder (non verbal stamp of approval) unwilling participant in their trash! Watch out for the easy come back thru, come back thru.
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With hip hop only being 50 years old we and the labeled haven’t defined what’s being an older hip hop artist is and what they look like as a success. When a label define success based off streams and social media hits of course the younger artist will look more successful until they try and tour and realize they don’t have a real paying fan base where a older artist won’t have the streams but have 10 plus year of fans that are willing and able to support a tour and merch
We (Black people) built this house (Hip Hop) and now have to ask for permission to live in it. No other genre of music allows other races to come in and dictate. As a people we have sold out out for money. Until we start owning and controlling what is ours we’ll always be slaves to the music industry.
Built the house but them white folk own the land. And they are in positions of power to dictate what you hear. Look at lyor Cohen, he's the head guy of all of youtube music. He overseas it ALL.
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Hip-hop is not down 40%.. Trap and Drill music is down 40%. Respectfully stop saying that as if Roc Marciano. And all others from that Alchemist sound is not rising .. real hip-hop is winning.
I think what everyone said was right it’s everything what you guys said combine!
rock is dead too. the last generation of real rock stars are the guys from the 90s. rock fans say rock is dead. rock albums used to go #1. not anymore. music just isn't the same anymore because only a handful of corporations own the industry and radio and streaming services...its no competition. and when theres no competition, the market gets lazy because it's no reason to be good. theres only one youtube, no competition to it whatsoever. and youtube is owned by who? the same few corporations that own everything else
Rappers today don't know about gorilla promotion and marketing, street teams, artist development, etc. It's the producers that suck too. All the new producers taking hits that were made 15-20 years ago trying to make it hit again. That's cheating to me. No creativity. Just cheating their way in. Everybody rapping the same. Imagine if Prodigy, 2pac, Nas, JayZ, and Biggie all rapped and sounded the same. Labels were not going for that.
People don't really want to try something different. They either jump on a bandwagon or they listen to whats on the radio and it's the same nonsense over and over again.
Look at how Drake has dominated for years with the same washed out pop-hip hop music and boring diss tracks. He jumps on the latest trendy music and is heavily pushed to the top of the chart. Look at Sexy Redd and Ice Spice now. It's below average or even 🚮
Young people today just want a beat they can dance to. They don't care about the art of making music or the lyrics.
its always been easy to make music, i just think its to easy to get a buzz now, radio stations is playing anything its alot of artist thats out today that shouldnt even be where they at with music
Radio plays what they're told to ever since Clear Channel bought most FM stations across America.
Facts bro you speaking people at the top don’t care and artist 👩🎨 are garbage nowadays Ray said it the best
Remember song use to 5 minutes songs fire and desire was one lenny williams i love you 15 minutes long 😂😂😂now we got popcorn records
Great portion of episode
1000000% true. All facts 💯
Absence of a pattern is still a pattern and it doesnt look good talking about how to create it. 🤨
Streaming and trash music. Simple
Ready for the full interview!
What a great clip explaining the current state of rap music 👏👏👏👏
Atlanta destroyed Hip Hop
Have you heard the music thats out thats why its down
This episode gonna be fire!!!
If I can listen to an record on youtube for free why buy it?
Super interesting convo on the business
Hip-hop is ALIVE AND VIBRANT in the STREETS and in the Black Community. So is R&B. Those numbers represent the profit margin for the CORPORATE ENTITIES, and WHO CARES? Who cares if the SHADY record labels dont make as much? Their robbing the artist and our culture anyway. The Corporate power structure is elevating allot of immigrant music, like afro beats. Because there actually conducting an all out attack on Black American culture. Promoting ratchet artist like Sexy Red to represent the culture. Elevating foreigners, It all ties into the Liberals and the REPLACEMENT and ERASURE of Black American culture. Yall need to stop talking all that TETHER talk, and act like you know.
R&b is dead dead. Pop wiped that shit out. It’s not even a market for it anymore
All facts!!!!
I can't wait to hear the whole Episode
A lot of truth was told on here
lol 😂 doo doo music
Been waiting on this one!!!
💯Real talk📡👊🏿
Salute
Love y;all show man ... keep kickin' the truth to the young black youth!
This dude said jada better then Nas. His opinion is not valid
Not gon front I don’t even think Jada is really “Top 5 dead or alive” they overrate him too loosely he a great year but there legit 5 MC’s better than him
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Video hasn’t started yet and I already know this what I need Bigg money Esso talk yo shit
There has always been good, and there has always been trash. Always has been, always will be. That’s life! 😑
But it’s way more trash nowadays.
@@lethaljones3814 Trashier than 2 Live Crew, Hoez Wit Atitude, Trina, Khya, etc…? 🤔
@@calsarchandler6851 yes trashier than them. But way more now. If the 90s had 100 trash rappers then today it’s like a 100,000 of them.
@@lethaljones3814 it’s a lot easier to produce and release music now. Ya just gotta sift through and find what you like.
That's not the point that was being made. And back in the day, a lot of music became timeless/classics. 95% of today's music no one will care to play even 5-10 years from now.
At this rate hip hop 50yrs from now is gonna be non existent at this point ,alot of these artists need to start putting out quality revords again and real bars ,the CEO's of the record labels need to also push the original formula again where it all started from the streets 💯
I love yall industry discussions good game