Sami comes across as the guy you would love to talk to until 3am about just little things that are actually very deep and you go so deep into the conversation you forget where you started
So true. But also very interesting! Specially if it's about things you never really think about, because you think they are some what granted, or normal, or already set in stone.
I just want to say thank you, Renee for getting Punk on Backstage. That was the spark that got us to this past Friday night. You changed pro wrestling history forever. Thank you.
Yes! and it's a great example of Sami's point about how everyone influences your own life. :) without Renee... the journey of CM Punk would have been different! And without so many others... like the presence of Tony Khan, the Bucks, Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega... who made that company that drew CM in. And then linked to that even the tragic loss of Brodie Lee played into CM PUnk's decision as it turns out. Of course, the beautiful treatment of Brodie Lee's family is due to the dozens of other people Tony Khan had in place to make their situation bearable. SO many people affect our lives!
This podcast just proves that Sami was very authentic with his Toxic society persona. I would love to have a conversation like that with him. I rebermber KO and Jericho talking about how Sami is weird and people don't really understand him backstage. It all makes sense now 😂
I remember he was starting to catch fire and then they had the show in Saudi and told him he's not allowed to perform and then he started this conspiracy character and just kind of floats along waiting to get fired I assume. Also after the Saudi stuff he kind of took a break and almost didn't come back from what I've heard.
For the baby looking like the dad, as I was listing to Sami my thought was that a reason for it might be to give the father more of a feeling of bonding initially. Given most mothers will feel an instant bond with the baby it would make sense that the father doesn't totally have that due to not carrying the baby and feeling it grow in them, so them being able to see themselves in the baby right away will help that bonding process and thus kep the father around to protect the family (from a historical perspective)
Dusty Rhodes was a genius. I remember when he passed, Sami wrote about Dusty always seeing Robin Williams in him & in my opinion, he was spot on. Sami's pods w/Renee are the best, hes a fascinating guy.
I totally got what Sami was saying, and Im so impressed because that takes some real deep insightful search to analyze... He's definitely in tune with finding himself, even questioning his identity, and what is it that makes us who we are.... I actually enjoyed it!!!
A guy named Dylan in my Wrestling school Phoenix Wrestling got to interview Sami Zayn before. He was delighted to chat with him and said it was one of the highlights in his Wrestling journey to get the opportunity to speak with him. I was very happy for him that he was happy about that cause he was a big fan of his beforehand too.
Man, I love how Sami thinks...I would love to be on "Whats That About?! ...and really talk about things people dont often stop on often in the wrestling world ...and with Brian Danielson & Brian Kendrick too...I like that thats who you picked, we all went to the same wrestling school and somehow are all people who have these types of mentalities and frames of perception to make them chat candidates! I love Sami for bein so real and refreshingly original open and honest
The fact that guys like Sami aren't given creative freedom is just mind boggling the things he could come up with creatively would be thrilling to see.
41:55 there was seperation in my family too when I was 4 but I got to see both my mother and father even through those difficult times. In regards to wrestling I remember just being so hooked on Eddie Guerrero back in the day in my later childhood early teens and in my early childhood between 4-7 i loved Steve Austin. Now I think really deeply and would have a short fuse even when I don't want that to happen in stressful situations like work and shit but now because of those experiences with the psychology of the product I now like to get the full context of things cause a lot of my childhood revolved essentially around that WWE structured format in the Ruthless Aggresion era mostly. Also in school the recent show would have been the talk of the class you know and we would conversate and speculate what would happen the next week because of their cliffhangers and stuff and how it was going to play out
I literally didn't expect that kind of talk. renee looks like exactly how i was looking at it. some topics are like why they are talking about this, then how they reach there to discuss it and its like you stupid you are listening to then and still u don't know how u reach there. It was something new.
6:00 Make one "super baby" ooorrrrrrr..... make crazed, ghost Freddy Krueger according to Nightmare on Elm Street Part 6. 13:58 Reminds me of how one of the main themes of Metal Gear Solid 3 was "hero of yesteryear, villain of today" and I never really understood it back then but now it makes so much more sense.
Very much a product of many other things. I grew up listening to the music my parents listened to. Yes, I listen to music my parents don’t/didn’t. But they are offsets of the music I grew up with. My dad throughout his life was a very casually dressed. Never the suit and tie type of person. I’ve continued to do the same. Became a professional wrestling fan through my older cousin who had liked it. A lot of the psychological stuff of people is from the second we are born. By example a baby is born, if a boy usually put in blue clothing, if a girl put in pink.
This is basically saying that wrestling, like all literature and art, both shapes our culture and is shaped by our culture. I think Sami is saying that wrestling has themes and can be analyzed like literature. In this case, I define a “theme” as “the authors message to the reader about the real world.” When I think of prevalent wrestling thematic tropes, I first thought about how men should deny medical help and they definitely should rebel against authority. Then, I considered what WWE teaches us about women and minorities. So there could be a whole sub genre of gender and race studies in wrestling. Again, this is just like any other literature or film study. It’s just that not too many people look at wrestling that way, even though it’s perhaps even more closely tied to culture than movies of books.
I love how Sami's mind works and turns. I often say that too many people don't even get to that stage of self examination and general introspection about life! I am glad he's thinking about these things. And yes, very relatable to wrestling. And most other endeavors, actually. Like there are superstars in wrestling today who did climb over others and used others to get where they are. And I think that's related to how general life is even in business. The American model is totally dog eat dog, survival in the jungle model. It's Feudalistic where a KING rules over the peasants. And there are wrestling companies that work this way. The super mega stars are there because they stepped on others and pretty much believed they did it all by themselves. Wrestling is full of these guys who bury others constantly and never give back. Then there is the other model. The sharing and helping each other model. The model right wingers loath and call "Socialist societies". The one where even when one rises, he knows to give a hand to others to help lift them up. We see these guys all the time as well. Super talented wrestlers who do help others by selling for them. By helping them grow. It's my theory that why aren't there any super billionaire Norwegians or Swedish is because their model gives back to the larger community. It's not about the king and his feudal estate the way we have it in the USA. There are still some very rich people in these "socialized" countries, but not in the extreme excess we see in our country. And it's not just the USA. Any other country you will see a small number of super elites and then everyone else --peasants in a Feudal Lord's domain. Just look at Lebanon. The super rich still exist there and they have gotten fat off the country's debts and wealth while the majority suffered.
That baby is a heel to me now. I wanted them to keep going, Sami needs to not cut her off also. I want Renee to talk on his level of depth of thought more.
Renee, pardon off topic i wondered if can track down ref jessika carr to ask about referee-ing such a high profile match as as walter/dragunov when did find out etc i know you are mostly main roster but thought this very interesting i hope peaked your interest to look into i'm not sure anyone has interviewed jess about this i thought was neat
Sami is quite amazing but Is it safe to assume that meeting him for the first time would be a little like whoa, whoa, whoa too much too soon ? I was multitasking while watching/listening to Sammi and I started to increase brain activity excessively and started worrying about a possible overheating issue. Man he's here, there, left, right, up, down, all around , top, bottom, east , west, south, north, hot, cold, luk warm..... 😂🤣
20:00 in and I expected this interview to end with dubyadubyaE heavies coming in and black bagging Sami and forcefully escorting him to a wrasslin re-education camp. Keep Sami safe until he can escape.
How I understand what Zayn is saying is that society's constantly evolving and volatile ideas of right vs wrong, good vs bad, then leads to our perceptions of good people and bad people, virtue and vice, constantly changing. What would have been a virtuous babyface say a few decades ago, might be more a heel in today's culture. Even now, with a much more educated western society, there seems much more demand of characters with nuance, grey area, and complexity as opposed to very on the nose, one note, black and white faces and heels. There's less demand of your Captain America style Hogan's, Cenas, etc, with instead more grey, conflicted and evolving people like Hangman Adam Page. Even with heels, instead of just the moustache twirlers like classic Flair for example, you've got someone like Eco-Friendly Daniel Bryan who is a heel, but there's a legitimate reason why he is who he is, and the message is valid. Even Zayns conspiracy character if further delved into, whilst he's a very comedic heel at face value, you could look into him as a person who's been pushed to a point because of being wronged in wrestling abd it's got to him, so you get his constant complaining and "conspiracy theory" as a way to vent frustration and anger, which is relateable to people and real life issues.
Sami Zayn should change his Documentary gimmick into a Philosophy/Psychologist gimmick LOL and I can see him looking at this comment and going in depth on why I said this LOL
So upset I waited to watch this until today! Definitely giving it a second watch. So much to take in lol I enjoy Sami so much. Can't wait to see him free and with AEW so we can see who Sami truly is creatively again.
Sami comes across as the guy you would love to talk to until 3am about just little things that are actually very deep and you go so deep into the conversation you forget where you started
If you find a guy like this to talk to on a trip. Plane,Train or Bus you'd have a good experience.
So true. But also very interesting! Specially if it's about things you never really think about, because you think they are some what granted, or normal, or already set in stone.
Sami Zayn...you my brother are an amazing human being
Absolutely love this man he deserves so much more
I think a spinoff needs to be made, psychology sessions with Sami.
Need to hear this kind of conversation weekly.
For real.
I just want to say thank you, Renee for getting Punk on Backstage. That was the spark that got us to this past Friday night.
You changed pro wrestling history forever. Thank you.
Yes! and it's a great example of Sami's point about how everyone influences your own life. :) without Renee... the journey of CM Punk would have been different! And without so many others... like the presence of Tony Khan, the Bucks, Cody Rhodes, Kenny Omega... who made that company that drew CM in. And then linked to that even the tragic loss of Brodie Lee played into CM PUnk's decision as it turns out. Of course, the beautiful treatment of Brodie Lee's family is due to the dozens of other people Tony Khan had in place to make their situation bearable. SO many people affect our lives!
This podcast just proves that Sami was very authentic with his Toxic society persona. I would love to have a conversation like that with him.
I rebermber KO and Jericho talking about how Sami is weird and people don't really understand him backstage. It all makes sense now 😂
Was it kayfabe when Jericho & KO said that or they actually said that?
His enthusiasm is so infectious. I love people who get excited for good conversation.
"I'd call that a cocktail" lmao Renne is quick
She around Cocktails a lot. Ambrose drinks probably 9 every night
Your authentic self is an amalgamation of all your experiences/learnings/influences. How you present your authenticity is judged by others.
Now that she mentioned it, I want to see DB , Kendrick and Sammy in a conversation...
Thanks for uploading the video of this fascinating chat. Sami Zayn always makes you think about things.
Sami is a very intelligent person. I love his way of thinking.
El Generico is awesome
i hope see you both on AEW!!!
i could listen to Sami for an hour everyday and be fascinated by the knowledge of this man
Having Sami Zayn multiple times is a treat. Great show Renee 😊
One of thr BEST interviews I've seen in a while genuinely crazy
Thanks for bringing him back...👍
Also having Sami as a guest host is a brilliant idea
Wow I could listen to Sami for hours. Great stuff.
Sami as a talker, as a wrestler, as a character as a personality, as a creative mind is so fucking wasted in WWE.
I remember he was starting to catch fire and then they had the show in Saudi and told him he's not allowed to perform and then he started this conspiracy character and just kind of floats along waiting to get fired I assume. Also after the Saudi stuff he kind of took a break and almost didn't come back from what I've heard.
He should go to aew like everyone else, it's doing wonders for all of the talent no one is being underused or anything no no
@@1KQ_ would he go as himself or El Generico??
@@1KQ_ he would be amazing in AEW
@@jimt.626 generico
This is AWESOME!!!! GREAT EPISODE
If ever I meet Sami, I'm afraid I'd talk to him for hours. Fascinating
I want to hear Renne. Sami, Eddie Kingston, and Daniel Bryan in a four-hour podcast conversation...about anything. Hell, throw in Xavier Woods.
For the baby looking like the dad, as I was listing to Sami my thought was that a reason for it might be to give the father more of a feeling of bonding initially. Given most mothers will feel an instant bond with the baby it would make sense that the father doesn't totally have that due to not carrying the baby and feeling it grow in them, so them being able to see themselves in the baby right away will help that bonding process and thus kep the father around to protect the family (from a historical perspective)
I want renee’s shirt! I love it that gif is one of my favorites!
Dusty Rhodes was a genius. I remember when he passed, Sami wrote about Dusty always seeing Robin Williams in him & in my opinion, he was spot on. Sami's pods w/Renee are the best, hes a fascinating guy.
I totally got what Sami was saying, and Im so impressed because that takes some real deep insightful search to analyze... He's definitely in tune with finding himself, even questioning his identity, and what is it that makes us who we are.... I actually enjoyed it!!!
Adding Sami Zayn to my list of celebrities that I have to meet and talk to
Sami is deep! Loved this conversation! I had other things to do but I got sucked in and had finish watching this first. Love you too Renee.
Sami talks like my cocaine buddies from college, it's great! I miss those guys...
I like the way sami processes psychology and other things. He's really aware of himself and his surroundings.
Love this pod cast. So proud of the man you’ve become Sami. You are and always where awesome brother
i friggin love Sami so much
Great episode! Love whenever Sami-Wow-Wow comes on the show. ☺️
A guy named Dylan in my Wrestling school Phoenix Wrestling got to interview Sami Zayn before. He was delighted to chat with him and said it was one of the highlights in his Wrestling journey to get the opportunity to speak with him. I was very happy for him that he was happy about that cause he was a big fan of his beforehand too.
How on earth vince allowed him😂😂...btw i am waiting for this episode
I'm waiting too lol
Woa , intelligent , honnest , humble , thank you for showing him under this light , really interesting . Peace from France ; )
Wow that was such a good listen, I could listen and love to chat with Sami for hours
Sami is right, he's a lucky person. We're also lucky to be able to listen to his thoughts!
I dont know why but these philosophic interviews with samy make me truly believe in his conspirancy role on tv :D Love this guy!
Love Sami Zayn. Only person left in WWE that i care about. His NXT amd 2016 run kept me in wrestling.
Really? I love a lot of the women wrestlers. I like Seth Rollins too as a wrestler.
Kevin Owens, Sasha Banks, Bayley, Seth Rollins.
@@sleepinggorilla I see sasha, i wantto quit wrestling forever. Nobody's worse
@@mikalbippin5410 I agree with you i watch wwe only because of Aj Styles.
Daniel Bryan vs Sami zayn is a nurture vs nature debate. It would get 5 stars if it took place in the Tokyo dome
Fantastic session.
@@reneepaquette you’re welcome. And it’s just like what Shayna Baezler tweeted a few weeks ago….”Everything is pro wrestling”
Man, I love how Sami thinks...I would love to be on "Whats That About?! ...and really talk about things people dont often stop on often in the wrestling world ...and with Brian Danielson & Brian Kendrick too...I like that thats who you picked, we all went to the same wrestling school and somehow are all people who have these types of mentalities and frames of perception to make them chat candidates! I love Sami for bein so real and refreshingly original open and honest
Came here to listen people talk about wrestling or something, end up with a philosophical discussion about constructivism. Thank you Sami!
The fact that guys like Sami aren't given creative freedom is just mind boggling the things he could come up with creatively would be thrilling to see.
Sami is so cool, looking forward to listening to this. Such a great promo guy and wrestler but also a very interesting and intelligent person.
Sami Zayn is so based. Great convo from 2 of my favourite Canadians.
This is why I love Sami!
I'd pay for Sami to just talk for hours and hours on a podcast or anywhere; he has an intriguing outlook on things that I never really thought about.
Sammy out here dropping knowledge I have always been on the fence. About being a fan of him but I can get behind his thoughts. For sure
Sami needs his own podcast on this, I'll have you know, I'd watch all the time.
#ReneePaquette keep bringing samilosophy 3, 4, 5, 6
Yes part 2
"What could I talk about for 1 hour?" Oh Sami, I think you can easily talk for more hours! But it is fun to listen and how your mind works! :-D
Absolute banger episode, trying to sort the ones and zeros of humanity is always an upsetting and interesting conversation to have.
41:55 there was seperation in my family too when I was 4 but I got to see both my mother and father even through those difficult times. In regards to wrestling I remember just being so hooked on Eddie Guerrero back in the day in my later childhood early teens and in my early childhood between 4-7 i loved Steve Austin. Now I think really deeply and would have a short fuse even when I don't want that to happen in stressful situations like work and shit but now because of those experiences with the psychology of the product I now like to get the full context of things cause a lot of my childhood revolved essentially around that WWE structured format in the Ruthless Aggresion era mostly. Also in school the recent show would have been the talk of the class you know and we would conversate and speculate what would happen the next week because of their cliffhangers and stuff and how it was going to play out
Sami Zayn to aew confirmed
I literally didn't expect that kind of talk.
renee looks like exactly how i was looking at it.
some topics are like why they are talking about this, then how they reach there to discuss it and its like you stupid you are listening to then and still u don't know how u reach there.
It was something new.
I’m only 20 minutes in, but this is AMAZING! Thank you Renee and Sami!
6:00 Make one "super baby" ooorrrrrrr..... make crazed, ghost Freddy Krueger according to Nightmare on Elm Street Part 6.
13:58 Reminds me of how one of the main themes of Metal Gear Solid 3 was "hero of yesteryear, villain of today" and I never really understood it back then but now it makes so much more sense.
Imma chant "You got lucky" at this man
I agree with Every. Word. This. Man. Said
I'm worried Sami hasn't been on tv for the past month. I got a feeling he'll get cut.
I almost hope he does.
AEW or NJPW would use him right.
So fun.
Sami needs a podcast
Very much a product of many other things. I grew up listening to the music my parents listened to. Yes, I listen to music my parents don’t/didn’t. But they are offsets of the music I grew up with. My dad throughout his life was a very casually dressed. Never the suit and tie type of person. I’ve continued to do the same. Became a professional wrestling fan through my older cousin who had liked it.
A lot of the psychological stuff of people is from the second we are born. By example a baby is born, if a boy usually put in blue clothing, if a girl put in pink.
Love that Sami for Syria shirt. It's one of my favorite wrestling shirts I have!
I believe WWE should have trusted Sami more. He deserves way better. He is a top notch wrestler but a superb human being. Love from Bangladesh 🇧🇩
I am from Bangladesh too.
I can listen to Sami talk for hours about whatever tf he wants to talk about
Sami Zayn is like a modern day philosopher
42:56 That's a very Virgo thing though too.
Okay we need two things, first a stand alone Sami podcast and second, a “What’s that about???” T-Shirt.
This is basically saying that wrestling, like all literature and art, both shapes our culture and is shaped by our culture. I think Sami is saying that wrestling has themes and can be analyzed like literature. In this case, I define a “theme” as “the authors message to the reader about the real world.”
When I think of prevalent wrestling thematic tropes, I first thought about how men should deny medical help and they definitely should rebel against authority. Then, I considered what WWE teaches us about women and minorities. So there could be a whole sub genre of gender and race studies in wrestling. Again, this is just like any other literature or film study. It’s just that not too many people look at wrestling that way, even though it’s perhaps even more closely tied to culture than movies of books.
7:25....I absolutely need to hang out with Sami this just convince me he is the craziest and funniest person ever XD.
OLÉ!!
I love how Sami's mind works and turns. I often say that too many people don't even get to that stage of self examination and general introspection about life!
I am glad he's thinking about these things.
And yes, very relatable to wrestling. And most other endeavors, actually.
Like there are superstars in wrestling today who did climb over others and used others to get where they are. And I think that's related to how general life is even in business.
The American model is totally dog eat dog, survival in the jungle model. It's Feudalistic where a KING rules over the peasants.
And there are wrestling companies that work this way. The super mega stars are there because they stepped on others and pretty much believed they did it all by themselves.
Wrestling is full of these guys who bury others constantly and never give back.
Then there is the other model. The sharing and helping each other model. The model right wingers loath and call "Socialist societies".
The one where even when one rises, he knows to give a hand to others to help lift them up.
We see these guys all the time as well. Super talented wrestlers who do help others by selling for them. By helping them grow.
It's my theory that why aren't there any super billionaire Norwegians or Swedish is because their model gives back to the larger community. It's not about the king and his feudal estate the way we have it in the USA.
There are still some very rich people in these "socialized" countries, but not in the extreme excess we see in our country.
And it's not just the USA. Any other country you will see a small number of super elites and then everyone else --peasants in a Feudal Lord's domain. Just look at Lebanon. The super rich still exist there and they have gotten fat off the country's debts and wealth while the majority suffered.
Good Job On 100k Subs!
I think we all as children lived for the pop.
Man, I would pay money to see video of Sami and Cornette dealing with each other in ROH. I bet Sami must have driven Cornette crazy, lol.
Oh!!!!!!!
Dr Zaynlove: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love The Pop
How does Sami no sell the "cocktail" joke Renee made around the 6:00 mark!? LOL!
This is a riot
Hey renne I’m a big fan I miss seeing you in wwe
Maybe she’ll work for AEW. Or maybe not.
Deepest podcast ever. I love finding out deep down, celebs can obsess about the same kind of wankery I do.
That baby is a heel to me now. I wanted them to keep going, Sami needs to not cut her off also. I want Renee to talk on his level of depth of thought more.
sami zayn has so much more talent than the wwe allows you to see we are only getting a dose
Renee, pardon off topic i wondered if can track down ref jessika carr to ask about referee-ing such a high profile match as as walter/dragunov when did find out etc i know you are mostly main roster but thought this very interesting i hope peaked your interest to look into i'm not sure anyone has interviewed jess about this i thought was neat
Sami is one of those guys that if you asked him what time it was, 20 min later you're re-thinking the entire concept of time itself.
i love sami 🧠 mind
Sami is quite amazing but Is it safe to assume that meeting him for the first time would be a little like whoa, whoa, whoa too much too soon ? I was multitasking while watching/listening to Sammi and I started to increase brain activity excessively and started worrying about a possible overheating issue. Man he's here, there, left, right, up, down, all around , top, bottom, east , west, south, north, hot, cold, luk warm..... 😂🤣
Renee should interview Bum Ass Baron Corbin, maybe she can help him earn some money from the podcast
6 minutes Renee makes a group sex choke & Sami just no sells it. Fuckin love this
20:00 in and I expected this interview to end with dubyadubyaE heavies coming in and black bagging Sami and forcefully escorting him to a wrasslin re-education camp. Keep Sami safe until he can escape.
The only thing that this episode lacked was a slideshow.
How I understand what Zayn is saying is that society's constantly evolving and volatile ideas of right vs wrong, good vs bad, then leads to our perceptions of good people and bad people, virtue and vice, constantly changing. What would have been a virtuous babyface say a few decades ago, might be more a heel in today's culture. Even now, with a much more educated western society, there seems much more demand of characters with nuance, grey area, and complexity as opposed to very on the nose, one note, black and white faces and heels. There's less demand of your Captain America style Hogan's, Cenas, etc, with instead more grey, conflicted and evolving people like Hangman Adam Page. Even with heels, instead of just the moustache twirlers like classic Flair for example, you've got someone like Eco-Friendly Daniel Bryan who is a heel, but there's a legitimate reason why he is who he is, and the message is valid. Even Zayns conspiracy character if further delved into, whilst he's a very comedic heel at face value, you could look into him as a person who's been pushed to a point because of being wronged in wrestling abd it's got to him, so you get his constant complaining and "conspiracy theory" as a way to vent frustration and anger, which is relateable to people and real life issues.
He and Bryan Danielson are similar in their worldview, i feel like they should be friends.
U helped all the wrestling fans jon , cm punk to join back , I hope u would make sammy free to ps thankfull and great full 🖖
Can't tell if he is in character or not
Sami Zayn should change his Documentary gimmick into a Philosophy/Psychologist gimmick LOL and I can see him looking at this comment and going in depth on why I said this LOL
So upset I waited to watch this until today! Definitely giving it a second watch. So much to take in lol I enjoy Sami so much. Can't wait to see him free and with AEW so we can see who Sami truly is creatively again.