A Clockwork Orange. Taxi Driver. Death Wish. Falling Down. The Dark Knight. And on and on, etc.. Pick a film with an extreme loner anti hero, or even straight up villain, lashing out at the world. It's not new territory. What's new is the contempt for audiences by "critics", their projecting their own fears and biases, and their attempted thought control and programming,; which ironically is exactly what some of these films are addressing. We can handle such subject matter without losing it. Maybe THEY can't.
@@Popdaddy88 exactly. It wasn't supposed to be political but of course critics made it that way. Todd Phillips was gonna stop making comedies since people were getting offended. There's always gonna be something for critics to complain about.
My favorite part about this movie is that the only other person to show him any type of humanity and compassion is a dwarf, who undoubtedly received the same type of treatment from society. Due to his mental stability, the dwarf is still able to have a relatively normal life, but is the only one that remotely understands Arthur. And Arthur appreciates and spares him.
I remember watching it at the theater and when he tries to open the door everybody laughed hard as the tension finally lifted for a second. Such a great scene.
“Straight white men can also be oppressed marginalized and forgotten. Just like everyone else.” Exactly. Thank you Critical Drinker for saying it out loud.
Blame your media for that. I can tell you right now I'm not even white but even I know that white people commit the same amount or more crimes than so-called black people. It's right there in the statistics. These, are your marginalized white people. Right there. Of course it makes common sense because so-called white people make up 65% of the country of America. So it is logical that these people are going to commit more crimes then another ethnicity that makes up 17% of the country. However the media does not show when white crime happens even though it does. They also do not show that white people also get shot and killed by police officers. Why is this not shown on your nightly news? That is the real question that needs to be asked. It's been going on for decades. So when they, the media I mean, actually highlight black people robbing or killing or black people and their struggles, just be aware that is orchestrated. The same way as you see all of the other stuff on TV. Nobody gets on TV unless you pay money or it helps the government do his job of governing a country of over 300 million people.
The vehicle scenes felt similar. In the beginning when he's on the public transit surrounded by people he looks out the window at Gotham and he looks depressed and miserable. But at the end when he's all alone in the back of a cop car he gazes at Gotham being torn apart by all the chaos and madness he helped cause and he's smiling and looks genuinely happy.
@Captain Kirk Well, both films were executed as the writers/directors willed it. Both stayed true to their purpose in their respective genres and so both also got a warm and well-deserved audience appreciation (even JP was given lots of awards as Joker) nevermind the Rotten Tomatoes and other untrusty critic sites. All your comment's insinuating is that you see yourself liking Joker because you think serious movies makes you smart and that you stand superior to other audiences. News flash: lots of people like both and they can see through good and bad. They don't shade movies black and white and those people are the true better critic than you'll ever be if you refuse to grow up.
@Greg Goulet I won’t fear men who only have power to kill the body. I’ll fear God who has power to kill both my body and soul. God is the judge of all and protector of all, I’m not worried about feeling anything
@@markm2092 Exchanging civilization (housing, clothes, food, electricity, infrastructure, cars, tv, mobile phones, etc) for some stones which are useless to the people there. Muh colonialists....
Fun fact it all started with stand up comedians standing the ground against those useless soyboys. Maybe 2020 is the turning point for this rotten generation of metoo's and what not, social cancer propaganda. I wish there was a purge day just like in the movies, it would be so much fast. Hehe boi!
@@randysavage1 it wasn't perfect as most feel it is, just competent and working, which in the environment of shit after shit feels like a masterpiece. same as with the mandalorian, it was never a perfect one, and would be a mediocre cash grab if made 30 years ago, but today, it was a first fresh air after drowning for hours.
I'm going to play the devils advocate here. Everyone has something to lose at all times but mental illness is so frustrating that people force themselves to believe _anything_ that they think will help them escape the pain.
Joker is a heartbreaking film. Phoenix is so talented. The violence is not glorified. If anything, the message of this film is to be kind to one another... not because someone might kill you, but because people are in pain and need kindness.
@@Fleyk1707 kind of proving the point, aren't you. You say it's a simple message, but how many people practice it? How many people initiate conflict and act aggressive instead of kind?
@@Cracked_Moon the society is so cruel, people are so rude in subways! The biggest problem in this world, I guess. This is not about "learning", it's about accepting. Seriously, go watch "Taxi Driver" already.
@@Fleyk1707 I did watch Taxi Driver. Its barely anything to do with this film. Taxi Driver was a film about how just because someone does a good act, they aren't a good person. Seriously, why do you have such a problem with the idea that this film presents the theme of "don't be an asshole"? Ive seen a few people say the same as you, there'll also just as aggressive about it
@@Cracked_Moon because the movie doesn't show us any assholes maybe? Those three clerks were assholes? They acted like they were in a Disney channel sitcom. I guess Disney channel sitcoms teach us not to be assholes as well. Don't imagine yourself a substance when there isn't one and go watch the real cinema with real social themes and valid commentary.
The saddest part for me was the fact that Arthur was actively trying to get help. He was going to therapy and taking medications. He tried to tell his therapist that the medications weren't working and he was showing her that the type of therapy he was receiving (being locked up and simply talking to someone weekly) wasn't helping. Many times, we are shown that a character just gives up or a character doesn't believe that they are wrong or that they need help, but it isn't often we are shown one that tries to get better only to fail. "Keep trying and you'll succeed." No, sometimes, people try their best over and over, and they still fail and are ruined by the experience.
I work in a hotel in downtown Victoria,BC and that's the reality. Welcome to the never-ending waiting list system while you deteriorate and eventually die. I've had people straight up beg me not to get kicked out and I'm like: sorry we just don't have the resources and training to provide the care and attention you need and I once though you had a right to, but here's the heart I just ripped out of my chest. You can keep it.
"No, sometimes, people try their best over and over, and they still fail and are ruined by the experience." Interesting... or is it we try... and people and society fails us.
In a special feature on the DVD, the director showed the scene when Joker comes on stage at the Murray show, and how with each take, Joaquin played it totally differently. He gave the filmmakers an infinite combination of options when editing, opening up what essentially could have resulted in several different films depending on which direction they wanted to go. A huge talent, and 1000% the right person for this role.
12:52 "This is a story about people failing to understand each other, about failing to see the other person's point of view- and how that lack of understanding can so easily turn to anger, resentment and vengeance". I have nothing to add here, just signal boosting the best and most impartial summary of this movie I've heard up to this point.
In the scene where he got jumped I noticed the position he gets in. Like hands between the legs and talking to himself. Just waiting until it’s over. He already had a defense mechanism to get through a beating, as if he has suffered them many many times before. It’s such a small details that in the end makes so much sense when the truth of his childhood comes out.
Which when you consider it was later revealed that Arthur Fleck was abused by his adopted parents as a child, chained to a heater and being struck repeatedly, it's not only a random minor detail, it's a portrait of a person that has been beaten and abused from day 1.
Umm, that's not how you take a beating... And i had an abusive stepfather. It's nice virtue signalling, but believe me, that's NOT how you defend yourself when taking a regular beating.
And that need has deteriorated into a DEMAND not only to love someone BUT to accept ALL of their trashy life and poor decisions because .. (as many women BRAG today " They are a "BRAT")
@Deckard That only applies because their helplessness makes them innocent. The moment a child becomes more capable, well, they might as well be the devil without parental shaping.
I feel totally vindicated, thank you. Two days before surgery for double vision, I watched Joker with one eye. At the time I wondered if I'd ever be able to watch a film in a theater again, so picked this one. Guess which movie I watched immediately after both eyes came back. Guess it's time to watch it again! I raved about it to anyone who would listen, and ran into the same BS as listed in this review: White Guy Don't Matter, Loser Can't Get Laid So He's A Psychopath, Really Too Violent, Ewww... etc etc. I wish I had your ability to describe why I love this movie. But I'm very glad you're here to say it. Thanks again for this channel.
It gives me hope too. Knowing that there are people who enjoy psychological thriller/drama like Joker with great cinematography, soundtrack etc. unlike those MCU theme park movies of mindless entertainment.
Hugh Jackman took a pay cut to get an R Rating Deadpool had to make so many compromises, Blade was expected to be as good as it was, starting the modern Marvel Movie Era. All R rated, all different, all successful.
Chris Harlin exactly This Joker laugh is probably the best one in my opinion due to the fact that every time he laughs it was never because of euphoria or joy but quite the opposite and you can feel it everytime he laughs
Drinker's words over Phoenix's performance are not exagerated. You find yourself literally feeling the character's pain, to the point of wanting to cry or going on a furious rampage. It's one of those performances you'll remember till your last day on Earth.
I looked it up: "Joker" 90% audience score / 68% Tomatometer. "Batwoman" 11% audience score and 72% for "a step in the right direction for representation" wtf
Please do not forget the average rating, where Joker is at 7.25 and Batwoman is at 6.42, which means that Joker has a better rating, but is disliked by more people (no surprise as the movie has sparked some controvery)
"Tomatoes" is no longer a viable source for 'good' vs 'bad' film. Disney proved years ago they can pad their own movies through Rotten Tomatoes. The internet has become far less reliable since net-neutrality ended. Those who have the money now have the voice.
You guys are also guilty of doing the same thing u accuse the "SJWs" of doing. Case in point The Guardian a pretty leftwing newspaper, which Drinker specifically points out as moralizing assholes gave the movie a 100% rating, the movie also received a standing ovation at the Venice film festival, an elitist movie festival if there ever was one. As for rightwing violence I notice the Drinker and you a lot seem to have a problem with confirmation bias just like the left. ANTIFA is specifically pointed out, but the number of terrorist attacks conducted by right wing extremist far outnumbers anything from left wing groups or Islamists terrorists in the USA, because they already live there. This is a beautiful film and should not be censored. But the NYPD and LAPD had to beef up extra security in theatres because there were credible threats online and by incel groups who threatened violence, on the exact same forums that the El Paso shooter and several other lone shooters posted their intentions. That's not an "SJW" thing, that's a real and credible threat. The police wouldn't have to be so alert during screenings if there wasn't actually a danger of an incident happening.
One of the many things about this movie that sold me was that I never felt it wad trying to make a murderous villain sympathetic, but rather it made you feel sympathy for HOW a murderous villain becomes so.
Meh. It doesn't even do that well IMO. Arthur is overwritten from the start, and just endures injustice and letdown repeatedly throughout the film. No real drama or suspense there that I can see! Meanwhile, all the other characters are underwritten and uninteresting. Just a vapid film that happens to have an intense lead performance, good cinematography, and a decent soundtrack.
@@wet-read The drama and suspense is seeing how Arthur will react to the letdowns and injustices he experiences. You always get the sense throughout the movie that his sanity is one bad day away from breaking. In addition, every time you think that Arthur is about to form a genuine connection with someone (such as with Thomas Wayne or Sophie) the film shatters that notion and makes it clear that no one truly cares for him. The film provides a very detailed look at how the society around Arthur moulded him into the murderous man he became.
@@ShreyDoshi2 That is not correct. It isn't a matter of taste. If that was the case, I wouldn't like the two films that chiefly inspired Joker. But I *do* like them.
I walked out of the screening of Joker in tears. I felt everything he went through and it tore me apart because it was so real. I wish cinema were still more like this than the stupid fluff and garbage that gets churned out these days.
In a bigger sense this movie is a social commentary and a warning message about the fact that a sick unfair social system inevitably creates sick broken people, because there's only so much beating down and abuse (beginning from the early childhood even) a human being can take.
@@jellyfishi_ You are right. I try to be correct but I also get so frustrated with other people when logic is overwhelming and they still don't want to come to terms with an issue, that I just hit screw it mode and let them have a piece of my mind. It's not because I hate them but because it is just so mindblowing to me and many others when the truth should be painfully obvious...But acting that way just shows that I don't have any peace in my mind and it does no good. Wisdom dictates that one not debate with what appear to be fools who just want to be contradictory for the sake of generating grief and I should not let that bother me. We should act respectful
It’s an ok film that’s pretty much carried by the perfect performance given to us by the ridiculously talented Phoenix. This review is laughably hypocritical though. Drinker goes from shitting on the critics (political activist) for injecting their political ideology into their analysis while in the very next minute, he injects his own ideology by denigrating and comparing the rioters to ANTIFA. By giving us the “straight white males are oppressed too” malding, etc. I like the Critical Drinker. Even though he’s a reactionary that injects his politics in every review he makes but he’s funny and I enjoy the humor. I thought he would go into this review by simply avoiding the politics and “muh Hollywood is too left wing” and concentrate on reviewing the film. Oh well.
I legit almost burst into tears during the scene where Arthur imagines himself in the audience of the Murray Franklin Show. It is so hearbreaking to see. Gives so much to Arthur's character and this is in the fucking beginning of the film. He is so desperate for some kind of affection because his life is nothing but a living hell. It also shows that Arthur also desires a father figure that he can look up to, which I feel is part of his obsession of Murray Franklin. I knew when this scene happened that I was in for one of the best films of all time.
Reminds ya of similar scenes of Requiem for a Dream, also a heartbreaking movie totally worth recommending. I know some critics complained about this movie being too similar to other classics, but I’d rather have that than just have unnecessary fanservice that won’t advance the plot. An extremely important film through and through
@@Sleeper250 Gotham was already a powder keg of anti-rich sentiment that was ready to explode. Arthur murdering employees of Thomas Wayne (the richest man in Gotham) was the spark to ignite it all and then murdering Murray live on TV set off the explosion.
@@Sleeper250 World War 1 was started because an extremist group murdered the Prince of Austria-Hungary. People were already upset before the murder, it was just used as a symbol to a major cause, like the assassination of the Prince, Europe was already on the edge of war, but this situation exploded everything
I found this movie difficult to watch, because it is so realistic and hits so close to home. It's very easy to see this as something really happening. It was such an emotional ride. Phoenix is a true god in this, his acting is absolutely masterclass. This was the perfect time to have this movie come out the way it came out. It was beautifully done. You hit the nail on the head with your review.
It's weird how even though there are big claims about socially conscious material being all over entertainment, there are few works that really hit hard in this way by deviating from the popculture version of what is peddled under the label. Because while one can always cringe at leftist agenda when shoehorned or excessive, there is a video game that has it as a totally bearable second role to a primary theme of boring, miserable, hopeless youth in a dying town, so I can highly recommend the video game Night in the Woods for the same reason I would recommend Joker. Plus, NITW has some really strong meta character about the things talked about in this video, about the suffering from all sides clashing.
The fresh take of the Joker character revitalized me for the Hero genre. This movie focused less on violence and combat and more on narrative and making sure the audience understood the direction. It's magical.
You should see Unbreakable, M. Night Shyamalan's 2000 take on the superhero origin story, with Bruce Willis. It was made at a time when superhero movies were considered box office poison and it was wrongly marketed as a suspense thriller. It's in fact a quiet, gripping masterpiece that's become a cult movie in recent years.
The first shot was self-defense. You may even be able to argue the second one as well. But hunting the third guy down, that's well outside the realm of reason.
Very true, but in character that is the moment when he says "Fuck It, they started it, I'm going to finish it...". Can't say that I'd personally peruse the guy myself, but then again, I'm not in the same mental state as Arthur...
This was a character litmus test for my friends. If people said he was totally justified in his killing - it gives me serious concern about their moral compass - it suggests that they are driven by a worldview of resentment and revenge.
I said this before it released, when we were just seeing the trailer: To see someone on the edge is heartbreaking, and most of us can relate. To see someone at the bottom is soulcrushing, and even if we can’t empathize, we can sympathize. But to watch them move from edge to bottom…to see the process…is terrifying. And to feel any kinship with them during that transitory time, is to see the madness inside ourselves.
Rico Garcia the English voice he puts on just before that part actually made me LOL in the cinema.......... and for some reason only me!!! ......😳 Yeahhh people turned around, kinda awkward
ryan m, I may have heard it somewhere before, but that particular phrasing was just me stringing words together while thinking of how birds will clean the jaws of alligators and how some large cats will affectionately lick prey animals, as if cleaning their fur rather than tasting them. I’ve heard the lion’s paw adage, but the one I typed was some weird concoction produced by sleepiness and confusing certain things I’ve seen into one phrase.
I was the only person in the theater who couldn't stop laughing in that scene. The poor wee man pissing himself in the corner has to tiptoe around ther dead body, only to get to the door where he can't reach the latch. Then, you don't see it, but im sure there was a bloody kiss mark on his bald dome.. I was dying, crying and wondering why no one else was laughing, which only increased my amusement
"I didn't know what an incel was, so I had to look it up." Lol, that was me too. I swear, lately they manufacture these new "words" faster than sweets in a candy factory.
@@SagaDraws Yes, but there's a difference between words manufactured organically, and those that are signal-boosted or woven entirely to push a narrative. That said, incel (short for involuntary celibate) actually wasn't made up by the media, it was a self-chosen name by a group of neckbeard virgins that even other neckbeard virgins bullied. After one self-described incel named Elliot Rogers did a mass shooting because he was so offputting multiple hookers literally wouldn't fuck him, the media slowly started using it as a label to mock and stigmatize other people they didn't like.
This movie was absolutely something that took me by surprise. An incredible film, like another film I can think of in the last 20 years that Joaquin Phoenix, Gladiator. What an emboldened movie, to speak out against extremism on either side. The experience is otherworldly. Great analysis from Drinker.
It is almost as redundant to mention the films that directly inspired Joker as it is to hear people say this movie is brilliant, a masterpiece, etc. But I have to ask... have you seen them? Or other films that feature, if not underline, mental illness, loneliness, homicidal rage, and so on?
@@wet-read I've seem several, but you'd need to go into specifics if you want better answers. I have to admit, I might have been hyperbolic when writing this, but the film did have a big impact on me. Every generation has a film that shares similarities with a prior great. Joker might just be one of them.
@@wet-read I've only seen Fight Club of those you listed. I've heard Taxi Driver was on another level. Need to watch it. Still, being inspired by greatness doesn't make it automatically great, but it doesn't disqualify it automatically either. The Shining may be one of my favorite driven to madness movies, although that's certainly very different. Needle Park, although more about crippling addiction is very brutal and dark.
@@bloodsweatandbeers4684 I mean that's a thing every character is relatable let's say a masochist is a main character the mainstream might not find the character relatable but masochists will.
@@Dash-lx4ng Giving the 'evil guy' a 'tough life that made him evil' is one of the most tired tropes of all time. All it does is take away from the evil that the Joker is supposed to be. Now he's not evil, he's misunderstood. boo hoo bullshit...
“Not hating those who started out with more than us, or belittling those who ended up with less. Not mocking those who don’t fit in, or resenting those who do.” This should be on t-shirts.
Joker was a phenomenal film. I love everything about it, even the fact that the directors and producers and such *nailed* the atmosphere so well that I actually felt dreadful by the end. Never in my entire life have I felt that after watching a film. Outstanding.
@MAGACOP If that's all then I can live with that. If they turned him into some monstrosity that starts eating everybody, then that would be another matter entirely.
Movie of the year 2019 hands down for me. They actually took time for character development and emotion? They actually made you understand and feel what he's going through? They actually gave a damn about the script and story? Made you consider both sides and that everything isn't simple black and white?! What witchcraft is this?! No wonder SJWs left the theater saying they were terrified.
SJW's are terrified of everything. They can't change their own tires. They can't build anything. They are afraid to work the land. They resort to "activism" so as to ACT OUT THEIR FEARS AND FRUSTRATIONS. The rest of us? We have no choice but to do the actual work for them and the rest of the whiners.
@@AlanZapp "SJW's are terrified of everything. They can't change their own tires. They can't build anything. They are afraid to work the land. " wow, your imagination is working overtime. must be motivated by all that projection you employ? seriously, none of you clowns live in reality. it's sad, really. start living your lives instead of pretending to.
Phoenix is so good that when the joker is having a laugh attack, you can see that he is suffering at the same time. I can´t imagine anyone else in this movie.
It is sad that his plight is actively undercut by those he goes to for help. We all need a support system. In "The Silence of the Lambs," Lecter said that the serial killer "Buffalo Bill" was not BORN a monster...he was MADE one. Insanity is a lot like evil in that it changes what you think is normal.
@@tyraster8603 Those who specialize in mental disorders note that genetics is not enough to determine whether one is doomed to madness or not - A nurturing environment for one genetically disposed to sociopathy can result in a well-adjusted individual, or a brutal environment can drive a genetically-stable person to insanity. Like everyone else, "insane" is a mix of genetics and environment.
@@karazor-el6085 If you're gonna try to present your opinion as a fact backed by scientific experts then you'd better be ready to cite your sources. Several, in fact. The perfect, ideal environment you speak of just delays the inevitable for the truly deranged. There are people out there who have never experienced any form of hardship in their lives yet are "monsters". Of course, we all have the capacity to do atrocities, which is what makes us so interesting but our genes do define us more than what you seem to believe. I'm not saying circumstances can't completely alter or shape a person but as I said, there are those that are just born that way and there's nothing you can do to change them.
I have finally seen Joker. It shines a light on violence, the plight of the poor, the problem with too many guns all without being preachy about any of that. It is a wonderful movie with great characters. Phoenix gives a fantastic performance.
I loved how the movie broke down his character. He fought his illness the entire build up and then it's like a visual weight is lifted when he allows himself to descend into his madness (because of the re-examination of his trauma). Did anyone else notice how intentional he became after that? His random bouts of laughter stopped...
i didnt notice. cool. but he stopped taking his meds, the same time he was realizing how messed up his past was, and that it was a lie. even when he had already said he wasnt sure he was real
I wanted to see him metamorphize more deliberately, but, will take what I can get. I also like kind of need to be hit over the head sometimes or I don't GET IT. I need to see this again while it is still in theaters. For the full experience.
He laughs when he is uncomfortable and dances when he is having fun. You see that the bouts of laughter stop and are replaced by dancing in public, even after committing acts of violence.
The thing is Arthur doesn't really feel like a villain in this movie, he's just a victim of the cruelty of Gotham city. Even the whole riot wasn't planned by him deliberately. He just wanted to be happy. Gotham is just a truly fucked up city.
When you've been to the same place as Arthur Fleck you completely understand this film, when you get no love your heart becomes dark and bitter. When no one cares about you, you start to care about nothing else, or nothing at all.
Finally saw this last night. Phoenix’s performance is the standout here, but the story is nothing to sneeze at. It gets a bit oppressively dour, a grimy city populated by angry people, but that serves as the frame for a pretty tragic tale. Certainly glad you recommended it.
"Resulting in the death of Thomas Wayne and his wife, in front of their son as they tried to flee the chaos." Oh boy, I hope this kid doesn't swear revenge and becomes a vigilante of some sort.
Ive worked in mental health for over 20 years. Its normally portrayed really badly in media. Im normally either embarrassed or angered by actors " acting mad ." Pheonix's acting in this is simply the best Ive ever seen in this area. He must have done a hell of a lot of research to pull this off. He totally nails it. Its a great movie. And you sir have done a great review of it :)
@@EnD3rG4M3r That was 100% me too (maybe a little something wrong but i'd say it's a good wrong). That's why the Joker is probably the most famous of any Villain... his nihilism is beautiful.
Well Drinker, I grew up watching Siskel & Ebert. They were the only movie critics that I trusted. The only reason why I trusted Roeper is because he worked with Ebert. But now, you too have earned my trust as an unbiased movie critic. I salute you. 👏👏👏👏
That speech he gives while on the talk show. He’s 100 per cent right! Critics giving this film bad reviews clearly see the world through coloured lenses.
I love how you mock Ryan Johnson in every single video. He deserves no less. All journos were crying and whining for this movie about a violent white male. News flash: Joker is a villain. What did they expect?
You can bet those very same "journalists"would not complain anywhere as much if Joker was of an ethnicity. Then they'd call it "Empowering." Seriously can't wait soon enough for Hollywood to die. The big studios will either choose to downsize freeing many franchises from their tentacles to people who know what they're doing or they'll go bankrupt and sink into the sea on their ship of wokeness only to be ripped apart and devoured by the independants and smaller studios who usurp them. Then maybe we will get studios and directors who don't give a fuck about the bitchy woke minority and stand their ground for creative expression and integrity. Loved franchises will be revived and tended to with the admiration and devotion worthy of their legacies and perhaps finally we will get alot more films that ain't slapped with an expiration date by corporate, brainless and soulless gobshites who are trying to be only relevant in that moment which will come off as insufferably cringy a year later. Hollywood needs change, it needs upheaval, it needs a revolution by those who aren't afraid to stand their ground and tell the woke agenda to go fuck itself. If they do this you bet your ass the public will back their corner, having grown sick over the last 6-7 years of being force-fed Hollywoods woke bullshit and being spoken down by spoilt, arrogant, vain adult pretenders who think they can dictate how people are to live. They all need to shut the fuck up and be grateful that we see their work and realize WE PAY THEM for entertainment so theoretically as customers we are also their bosses. If we boycott and avoid investing in their careers, it is them who will suffer for their actions.
Heh. You do know Rian wrote the film "Brick"? He is no dummy. Some time will pass and you will realize what Rian did. He infiltrated Disney and destroyed it. The guy's a damned legend.
This movie really started my love of reviewing. It is complex and simple at the same time and while the message it sends is heavy it sure as hell works
The only thing that is complex is the way Arthur is written. That is, overwritten. I think writers do that with unsavory protagonists to ensure the audience will root for them.
Simply one of the best movies of all time. Hate that a sequel is in the works. This is not a spandex superhero movie. No, it's a brilliant drama of someone who decents into madness. Never has a psychological illness been depicted as good as here. Maybe in Inherent Vice. Weirdly and tellingly by the same brilliant performer... 😮. A MASTERPIECE.
No one who saw this and is not a political hack can say it's a bad movie. You might not like the theme but it doesn't mean it was a bad movie. Just because I don't like two door sports cars doesn't mean that a Ferrari is a bad car. It's very well shot, edited, written, and acted. It's a objective fact.
Fuck yeah! I'm going to go See this movie, and if it is as good as they say, I'm buying a blue ray player and buying the fricken director's cut or whatever it is for this movie too.
@@robinbanks3186 was he treating them like shit? It's never been shown. He just said that those marginalized murderers walking down the streets are cowards and clowns (in a bad way). Seriously, guys, what kind of movie have you imagined in your minds?
The scene in the comedy club, where his laughter and the rest of the audience's laughter aren't synchronized, is gold. Also, the scene where we found out that he'd Tyler Durdened his relationship with the woman... Scary af!
@WSG Man Eh, in 2019 everything is possible, but yes, it was a bit of a stretch. Then again, here is this lonely single-mom maybe finally making a connection with someone. Maybe she has mental health problems as well. You never know. I think it was subtle enough...likewise her eventual fate.
i'd second that, but now i'm thinking it's when wayne punches him. wayne knew who he was, and with the tiniest bit of effort could have figured out what it meant to be him. plus, there was no need - he could just have walked away, but he punched arthur because he thought that's what men in his position did. the mom on the bus didn't know arthur, she didn't punch him, and she was stepping in for her child. let's not forget there are signs all over the place (i knew one in s.f. at least) that say you can't loiter too close to a children's playground when you're an unaccompanied adult.
@@doubleyouranger honestly I like that bit. They went and changed how the Wayne's are perceived. In classic iterations they're supposed to be good and honest people and you felt a warmth for them and Bruce when he loses them. Thomas wanted to make a difference and invest his money in the city. Like in the Dark Knight trilogy where he brings jobs in the city and funds the project for a railway system for people to get around the city. However, Joker doesn't insult our intelligence and shows us the world isn't like that with Thomas Wayne being a real asshole to Arthur knowing his history and calling the citizens clowns who can't earn their own way. It's a true depiction of OUR society and that's why critics hate it so much because it's a mirror and not a filter. It'll be interesting how they show Bruce when he grows up as an adult in the public eye and his true motivations as Batman. Considering he idolizes his parents and that's the base for him stepping up to stop crime. I wonder if he'll become more understanding when it's brought out his father wasn't all that good. Maybe it'll motivate him to do right by society. Speculation at this time.
@@blazinpuffs with you most of the time, except that (with the drinker on this one) i don't think our society is automatically like that. wayne is, or that's how the story goes. imagine arthur got that hug instead! you're crying now, and so should we. as for batman, i can't see him putting on a mask after all this. fingers crossed phillips/silver get to it during our lifetime.
One aspect of this that stood out for me.. is the subliminal way in which De Niro passes the acting torch to Phoenix.. In some ways Joker is a re-telling of The Taxi Driver. A lot of the film's scenes, grit an noir look like they have been transplanted form Taxi Driver and I cannot help but see similarities between Travis Bickle and Arthur Fleck.. So its somewhat prophetic that De Niro plays a caricature of himself as rich and influential celebrity out of touch with the troubles of the real world. It certainly matched De Niro's insane Trump rants at the Oscar's from that year.. :-) and so it seems appropriate that the Joker shoots him on National TV in a disturbing, but appropriate tribute to Travis; as the torch is passed to the next generation of great actors.
I asked a coworker about the film before seeing it. He described it as Travis Bickle's angry son finally loses it. He then said "Imagine that they never made Taxi Driver, this would be it."
Just watched the Joker again. Came back to this video. Watch it a second time. Joaquin Phoenix needs to give classes of acting to Hollywood. The guy made the Character come to life. Amazing.
With all the Praise going to Joaquin Phoenix and Todd Phillips, can we take a moment for Hildur Guðnadóttir's score. It's up there as the best part of the film
The true accomplishment of this movie is that it tries to make you understand the Joker and his motives and how his past formed him. It teaches empathy and tolerance in an egoistic, intolerant world. Brilliant movie, Love it! Tip: watch the final speech of Charles Chaplin in "The dictator". Notice something?
More incapable or incompetent mothers, much less lack fatherhood. In addition, one thing that this does well is depict how emotional imbalances manifest themselves physically. His mannerisms are OFF. He often talks like female told with a secret when does or says something cheeky or Joker-like. In the bathroom, he danced like a ballerina. Very few male dancers even move their hips like that. His lack of both a forthright mother and father has left him devoid and structure. I mean, really, even homosexual men and women are self conscious of themselves. After fighting it his whole life, he then decides abject chaos is the best mode of being. Tragic!
This Joker does not need the Batman to tell his story. He does everything on his own and is great at it. It's dark, it's murky and it will knock your teeth out.
I think Warner bros understands now after a few blunders that people want good character driven stories now all we gotta see is if they keep going this route and which will live longer disney gender politic driven movies or wb character driven movies
@@OoxB505 Thank you for the recommendation! I will definitely check it out. While we're at it, if you want to see his early years in acting, he was in a Murder, She Wrote episode. We're Off To Kill The Wizard, hehe. Always through me for a loop when I remember it's him in that one.
@@ricksanchez1079 the most funniest part was when the midget couldn't open the door. LOL 😁. Never thought we would see something that funny in a dark movie.
I loved how the media just pushed the “incel” narrative on this film. Such a lazy and slimy argument to account for their disdain at the success of this movie.
what i found funny was although the media demonized this movie for spreading hate or dangerous ideas, me and every one i know that saw the movie left the theater asking ourselves how we can become kinder and more empathetic people.
I mean, 99,9% of people dont dream of shooting up their schools. So yeah, of course you didnt just start to be a psycho after watching it. Its a great movie, I loved it, but the preocupation of it's message is valid. considering the Usa has a serious mass shooting problems and this people think thenselfs just as injusticed and justified as Arthur gets portraied in the movie.
I also rather liked that the media was blasting the movie before it came out, proclaiming that it was filled with dangerous messages. What was the sparking incident which turned the trickle through the cracks in the dam into an all out flood? When the news confidently proclaimed that a man in a joker outfit murdered 3 businessmen in the subway... ...and not that it was a man who defended himself against three aggressors who turned on the lone man because he dared interrupt their predatory pursuit of a lone woman on the subway. They completely missed that one of the factors the movie touches on is the media held up as gospel while stripping all nuance and fact from any story they report...er...fabricate. They proved by doing the very thing they were criticizied about in the movie, to the movie!
@@Ashigeru47 That's just silly. I'm not sure how Joker exposes the "falsehoods" of Leftism. If anything, the film shows what can happen when the social safety net isn't well-funded and the disenfranchised are ignored. This film casts a light on the problems that can arise when inequality between the classes spirals out of control. It's very Marxist in its interpretation, frankly. However, the film avoids being overly preachy and really sells the inequity of Gotham City well without becoming too overtly political. Obviously, some elements of the "Left" are hating on this film because it supposedly encourages incels, but that's just baseless speculation and fear-mongering on their part. Those critics are just virtue signaling. I find them incredibly annoying, especially since they do such a disservice to Left ideology. This kind of whinging is not exclusive to the Left- there are just as many right-wingers who use identity politics to push their agendas. It's a scourge.
@@thenewapelles6448 "Men are oppressors, and can't be oppressed." Movie shows men Can, and often are oppressed. "We need to tax people more to afford our social safety net." Movie shows how the social safety net actually hurts People, and keeps people in poverty, no matter how well funded (since most of the funding goes to the bureaucracy). It also shows that the social safety net doesn't actually help people with mental health problems, even when they get Medicaid, which takes up tons of taxpayer money, while providing crap care. I know, my girlfriend has really bad PTSD from childhood trauma, and is on Medicaid. It's completely useless. 70+% of US government spending is on social programs. Military and law enforcement only takes up around 16-17%. Social programs create dependency on government, and trap people in poverty... But we "need" it, while the government taxes the people (at all levels of income), which hurts the middle class, the working class, and the poor the most to pay for those programs, and creates more poor government dependents than it helps people out of poverty... Ever notice how the homeless population has grown exponentially, since the 1980's, and is over 70% men (who aren't eligible for those social programs)? I guess those homeless men aren't oppressed, huh? So. Yeah. The movie does highlight the falsehoods of the Left.
I just love the way Critical Drinker talks in this episode, the way he sounds in a very happy and excited like tone shows that he really loves this movie.
Wow Sir drinker. You are a genius with words. This review hits a part of the soul that not many people know how to express. Much blessings to you and your genius talent. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾✊🏾✊🏾
The movie ends with him in the asylum. The same one that it hints to him being sent to when he is talking to his mum. It shows him banging his head off the glass. What if he is always in that room and the flash to him banging his head off the glass is actually a moment of clarity before he is pulled back into the fantasy by his insanity. The movie does a great job of making you question what is real and what is in his head. It hints to two truths! One it all happened as shown or two it was all a bad joke played out in his mind from the asylum. The movie is about the mind of the Joker! should it be anything other than a bad joke. Best film I have seen in a long time.
@Z. Michael Gehlke , I really want this to be the case. You Know there was a comic mini series that ran that route. A psychologist tries to run down all the different origin stories of the Joker, only to find that he made them all up and it was a trap from the beginning. Cool concept
As much as I *REALLY* hate to say it... Me: "Alita Battle Angel is easily the best movie of 2019 and nobody can change my mind." DC: "Send in the clown."
I watched this 4 years ago in the theatre & I loved every second of it. Watching this video today & reliving the many scenes of this movie brings me to tears. Joaquin Phoenix was just awesome, this movie made me a fan of his
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Joker 1989: falls into a vat of toxic chemicals
Joker 2019: falls into a vat of toxic critics
*a vat of Toxic Society
A Clockwork Orange. Taxi Driver. Death Wish. Falling Down. The Dark Knight. And on and on, etc.. Pick a film with an extreme loner anti hero, or even straight up villain, lashing out at the world. It's not new territory. What's new is the contempt for audiences by "critics", their projecting their own fears and biases, and their attempted thought control and programming,; which ironically is exactly what some of these films are addressing. We can handle such subject matter without losing it. Maybe THEY can't.
I prefer his backstory to be multiple choice.
@@Popdaddy88 exactly. It wasn't supposed to be political but of course critics made it that way. Todd Phillips was gonna stop making comedies since people were getting offended. There's always gonna be something for critics to complain about.
... and it's loved by audiences and makes shit loads of money. well done, Jester...
Rotten tomatoes 🍅 Joker =68% Audience=88%
Batwoman 80 % audience 13%
Send in the clowns. They're already here, and they work for RT.
The only way RT can fix that is to cease audiences ratings. I mean how else is it going to become an effective echo chamber?
@@dinkyd1533 Don't give them ideas.
It would solve their problem.
青鬼TV balanced like everything in life
Says it all really!
My favorite part about this movie is that the only other person to show him any type of humanity and compassion is a dwarf, who undoubtedly received the same type of treatment from society. Due to his mental stability, the dwarf is still able to have a relatively normal life, but is the only one that remotely understands Arthur. And Arthur appreciates and spares him.
I remember watching it at the theater and when he tries to open the door everybody laughed hard as the tension finally lifted for a second. Such a great scene.
Yea I really didn't wanna see him whack a tiny person 😅😎
@@RafitoOoO I like that he still scares the shit out of him as he tries to leave though lol very Joker
They should have got married then lol. Joker was crap
@@achillesglacia7700 love to see you make a better movie lmao stick to marvel sadass
“Straight white men can also be oppressed marginalized and forgotten. Just like everyone else.”
Exactly. Thank you Critical Drinker for saying it out loud.
Blame your media for that. I can tell you right now I'm not even white but even I know that white people commit the same amount or more crimes than so-called black people. It's right there in the statistics.
These, are your marginalized white people. Right there.
Of course it makes common sense because so-called white people make up 65% of the country of America. So it is logical that these people are going to commit more crimes then another ethnicity that makes up 17% of the country. However the media does not show when white crime happens even though it does. They also do not show that white people also get shot and killed by police officers. Why is this not shown on your nightly news? That is the real question that needs to be asked. It's been going on for decades. So when they, the media I mean, actually highlight black people robbing or killing or black people and their struggles, just be aware that is orchestrated. The same way as you see all of the other stuff on TV. Nobody gets on TV unless you pay money or it helps the government do his job of governing a country of over 300 million people.
how
@@nakedfordinner How what?
@@nakedfordinner still waiting for your reply, mate.
@@nakedfordinner like everybody else i presume
I love the metaphor of the stairs, he keeps struggling up, trying to stay sane. Then after his transformation, he comes dancing down.
Richard Holman
LOL!!!!
WOW!
You use of elevation and levels are key to unlocking this movie. In stairs, elevators, where the camera is shooting from. So cool!!!
Holy shit dude! Great observation!
And I was wandering what was the point of the stairs actually, haha. You explained it very well. Thx!
Or when he got sacked and burst out the door into blindingly bright sunshine
The vehicle scenes felt similar. In the beginning when he's on the public transit surrounded by people he looks out the window at Gotham and he looks depressed and miserable. But at the end when he's all alone in the back of a cop car he gazes at Gotham being torn apart by all the chaos and madness he helped cause and he's smiling and looks genuinely happy.
A billion dollar movie that cost a fraction of Endgame and Rise of Skywalker.
All that matters is the premise and the proper execution of it. People will pay big money for it
@Captain Kirk Well, both films were executed as the writers/directors willed it. Both stayed true to their purpose in their respective genres and so both also got a warm and well-deserved audience appreciation (even JP was given lots of awards as Joker) nevermind the Rotten Tomatoes and other untrusty critic sites.
All your comment's insinuating is that you see yourself liking Joker because you think serious movies makes you smart and that you stand superior to other audiences. News flash: lots of people like both and they can see through good and bad. They don't shade movies black and white and those people are the true better critic than you'll ever be if you refuse to grow up.
@E nah
@E if endgame sucked then I’m Morgan Freeman . Go watch something in your pay grade like toy story 4
Fraction? Percentage is closer
This version of the Joker is truly terrifying because it's so realistic.
And relatable
@@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 erm...
Well said sir
I had this movie spoiled for me, but it was still so much better than half of the "blockbusters" coming out now.
Nope
The scene where he imagines himself on the Murray show and being accepted really resonated. I think all loners understand how he feels.
no
Genuine loneliness
@@jaughnekow And the desire to be accepted.
reminded me of Meryl Streep in Ironweed
im not even a loner and that shit hurts me just thinking about it lol
_"A child that is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth."_
−African Proverb
it fits perfectly for this movie
Yes, and we all are feeling the "warmth" already...In the USA, in Europe, everywhere they appear en masse....
@@jeolmmum we felt the “warmth” of Europe when they carved out our land for their own profit. What goes around
@Greg Goulet I won’t fear men who only have power to kill the body. I’ll fear God who has power to kill both my body and soul. God is the judge of all and protector of all, I’m not worried about feeling anything
@@markm2092
Exchanging civilization (housing, clothes, food, electricity, infrastructure, cars, tv, mobile phones, etc) for some stones which are useless to the people there. Muh colonialists....
A movie like this being made in 2019 - all is not yet lost
Exactly what I thought after watching it. Hopefully this sets a new standard.
Fun fact it all started with stand up comedians standing the ground against those useless soyboys.
Maybe 2020 is the turning point for this rotten generation of metoo's and what not, social cancer propaganda. I wish there was a purge day just like in the movies, it would be so much fast. Hehe boi!
Hugo Mendes another asshole commenting on “soyboys”. You don’t get this movie at all.
Hugo Mendes you know, “soyboys” hate you and have 2nd amendment rights too.
Even now there is hope in man.
I agree with this entire critique. Including the activist... Oops, movie critics
excuse me, but you are just ra...-oh no damn, time for the other victim card- chista.
-Latina eminist activist...oops, commentary critic.
Hey, be nice to those activists! I mean radicals. Er, uh, critics.
I thought it was only ok tbh. 5 or 6 out 10
Yeah they're just losers sitting in their underwear in their grandparents basement pretending to be important.
@@randysavage1 it wasn't perfect as most feel it is, just competent and working, which in the environment of shit after shit feels like a masterpiece. same as with the mandalorian, it was never a perfect one, and would be a mediocre cash grab if made 30 years ago, but today, it was a first fresh air after drowning for hours.
Never underestimate someone who has nothing left to lose.
I'm going to play the devils advocate here. Everyone has something to lose at all times but mental illness is so frustrating that people force themselves to believe _anything_ that they think will help them escape the pain.
@@thenightwedied1821that some bullshit lol
Especially after they have lost their mind
@@thenightwedied1821 nah
@@thenightwedied1821 I'm with kn_halo. This is some bullshit
Joker is a heartbreaking film. Phoenix is so talented. The violence is not glorified. If anything, the message of this film is to be kind to one another... not because someone might kill you, but because people are in pain and need kindness.
Wow, something I can learn from a book for 3 year olds. Truly magnificent
@@Fleyk1707 kind of proving the point, aren't you. You say it's a simple message, but how many people practice it? How many people initiate conflict and act aggressive instead of kind?
@@Cracked_Moon the society is so cruel, people are so rude in subways! The biggest problem in this world, I guess. This is not about "learning", it's about accepting. Seriously, go watch "Taxi Driver" already.
@@Fleyk1707 I did watch Taxi Driver. Its barely anything to do with this film. Taxi Driver was a film about how just because someone does a good act, they aren't a good person. Seriously, why do you have such a problem with the idea that this film presents the theme of "don't be an asshole"? Ive seen a few people say the same as you, there'll also just as aggressive about it
@@Cracked_Moon because the movie doesn't show us any assholes maybe? Those three clerks were assholes? They acted like they were in a Disney channel sitcom. I guess Disney channel sitcoms teach us not to be assholes as well. Don't imagine yourself a substance when there isn't one and go watch the real cinema with real social themes and valid commentary.
The saddest part for me was the fact that Arthur was actively trying to get help. He was going to therapy and taking medications. He tried to tell his therapist that the medications weren't working and he was showing her that the type of therapy he was receiving (being locked up and simply talking to someone weekly) wasn't helping. Many times, we are shown that a character just gives up or a character doesn't believe that they are wrong or that they need help, but it isn't often we are shown one that tries to get better only to fail. "Keep trying and you'll succeed." No, sometimes, people try their best over and over, and they still fail and are ruined by the experience.
I work in a hotel in downtown Victoria,BC and that's the reality. Welcome to the never-ending waiting list system while you deteriorate and eventually die.
I've had people straight up beg me not to get kicked out and I'm like: sorry we just don't have the resources and training to provide the care and attention you need and I once though you had a right to, but here's the heart I just ripped out of my chest. You can keep it.
EdgePatrol that's every single day for me.
Oh my God it's a movie about real life? Booooooriiiiing!!!!! Not A Joker Movie In The Slightest!
It's called social programming and social engineering.
"No, sometimes, people try their best over and over, and they still fail and are ruined by the experience."
Interesting... or is it we try... and people and society fails us.
In a special feature on the DVD, the director showed the scene when Joker comes on stage at the Murray show, and how with each take, Joaquin played it totally differently. He gave the filmmakers an infinite combination of options when editing, opening up what essentially could have resulted in several different films depending on which direction they wanted to go. A huge talent, and 1000% the right person for this role.
And the version they chose ultimately became one of the most memorable scenes in modern cinema. Good shit
12:52 "This is a story about people failing to understand each other, about failing to see the other person's point of view- and how that lack of understanding can so easily turn to anger, resentment and vengeance".
I have nothing to add here, just signal boosting the best and most impartial summary of this movie I've heard up to this point.
In the scene where he got jumped I noticed the position he gets in. Like hands between the legs and talking to himself. Just waiting until it’s over. He already had a defense mechanism to get through a beating, as if he has suffered them many many times before.
It’s such a small details that in the end makes so much sense when the truth of his childhood comes out.
Leah Marie good observation.
It's tragic.
Which when you consider it was later revealed that Arthur Fleck was abused by his adopted parents as a child, chained to a heater and being struck repeatedly, it's not only a random minor detail, it's a portrait of a person that has been beaten and abused from day 1.
Umm, that's not how you take a beating... And i had an abusive stepfather. It's nice virtue signalling, but believe me, that's NOT how you defend yourself when taking a regular beating.
Because your personal experience is the same as everyone else's.
This movie is a somber reminder that so many people in this world are starving for affirmation, for acceptance, for love.
This must be the most on point comment that's fully correct I've read so far about Joker... .. .
Absolutely. That's what makes it so sad.
And that need has deteriorated into a DEMAND not only to love someone BUT to accept ALL of their trashy life and poor decisions because .. (as many women BRAG today " They are a "BRAT")
All denied by a lack of empathy.
@Deckard That only applies because their helplessness makes them innocent. The moment a child becomes more capable, well, they might as well be the devil without parental shaping.
I feel totally vindicated, thank you. Two days before surgery for double vision, I watched Joker with one eye. At the time I wondered if I'd ever be able to watch a film in a theater again, so picked this one. Guess which movie I watched immediately after both eyes came back. Guess it's time to watch it again! I raved about it to anyone who would listen, and ran into the same BS as listed in this review: White Guy Don't Matter, Loser Can't Get Laid So He's A Psychopath, Really Too Violent, Ewww... etc etc. I wish I had your ability to describe why I love this movie. But I'm very glad you're here to say it. Thanks again for this channel.
im glad your vision is good.
This was easily a 10/10 movie. Everything about this movie worked
When the movie made over 1.2 billion worldwide as a R-rated film, it gives me hope in humanity.
It gives me hope too. Knowing that there are people who enjoy psychological thriller/drama like Joker with great cinematography, soundtrack etc. unlike those MCU theme park movies of mindless entertainment.
Hugh Jackman took a pay cut to get an R Rating Deadpool had to make so many compromises, Blade was expected to be as good as it was, starting the modern Marvel Movie Era.
All R rated, all different, all successful.
@@V4Now he took a paycut for Logan not deadpool
@@darrenasquith1170 my finger slipped, I meant Logan 🤦🏾♂️
This just shows that the humanity in Hollywood is still alive but barely hanging on
The scene where he's laughing in the train and you can see the pain behind his eyes is pure brilliance
Chris Harlin exactly This Joker laugh is probably the best one in my opinion due to the fact that every time he laughs it was never because of euphoria or joy but quite the opposite and you can feel it everytime he laughs
Is that all you can say about it, crap actor, shit movie.
Dave Wills fuck off troll
@@davewills6121 In the spirit of this review... who hurt you? Is everything okay? I hope it all works out for you.
@@davewills6121 go play your forrnite n fk off
2 years later and Joker is still movie of the year.
Came from 2023 and i have some news for you ...
Anxiously awaiting…. the sequel. Folie a deux!
JOKER just does its own thing no formula, no sequel baiting thats why its somuch better
Drinker's words over Phoenix's performance are not exagerated. You find yourself literally feeling the character's pain, to the point of wanting to cry or going on a furious rampage.
It's one of those performances you'll remember till your last day on Earth.
I looked it up: "Joker" 90% audience score / 68% Tomatometer. "Batwoman" 11% audience score and 72% for "a step in the right direction for representation" wtf
Please do not forget the average rating, where Joker is at 7.25 and Batwoman is at 6.42, which means that Joker has a better rating, but is disliked by more people (no surprise as the movie has sparked some controvery)
Look up how many critics have rated the movie and show respectively aswell.
You should compare it with captain marvel as well
"Tomatoes" is no longer a viable source for 'good' vs 'bad' film. Disney proved years ago they can pad their own movies through Rotten Tomatoes. The internet has become far less reliable since net-neutrality ended. Those who have the money now have the voice.
@@angsty-j653 that's the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
"A movie I personally didnt like got good reviews?! PAID SHILLS!!"
The kindest, "Go Away Now", we've had in a long while. 😭 If that doesn't tell you how much Drinker recommends this movie then I don't know what will
I was kinda wondering if he really wanted us to stay (only if we brought our own booze of course)
This man can preach
I fucking love this movie
haha, so true...
You guys are also guilty of doing the same thing u accuse the "SJWs" of doing. Case in point The Guardian a pretty leftwing newspaper, which Drinker specifically points out as moralizing assholes gave the movie a 100% rating, the movie also received a standing ovation at the Venice film festival, an elitist movie festival if there ever was one.
As for rightwing violence I notice the Drinker and you a lot seem to have a problem with confirmation bias just like the left. ANTIFA is specifically pointed out, but the number of terrorist attacks conducted by right wing extremist far outnumbers anything from left wing groups or Islamists terrorists in the USA, because they already live there.
This is a beautiful film and should not be censored. But the NYPD and LAPD had to beef up extra security in theatres because there were credible threats online and by incel groups who threatened violence, on the exact same forums that the El Paso shooter and several other lone shooters posted their intentions. That's not an "SJW" thing, that's a real and credible threat. The police wouldn't have to be so alert during screenings if there wasn't actually a danger of an incident happening.
One of the many things about this movie that sold me was that I never felt it wad trying to make a murderous villain sympathetic, but rather it made you feel sympathy for HOW a murderous villain becomes so.
Meh. It doesn't even do that well IMO. Arthur is overwritten from the start, and just endures injustice and letdown repeatedly throughout the film. No real drama or suspense there that I can see! Meanwhile, all the other characters are underwritten and uninteresting. Just a vapid film that happens to have an intense lead performance, good cinematography, and a decent soundtrack.
@@wet-read The drama and suspense is seeing how Arthur will react to the letdowns and injustices he experiences. You always get the sense throughout the movie that his sanity is one bad day away from breaking. In addition, every time you think that Arthur is about to form a genuine connection with someone (such as with Thomas Wayne or Sophie) the film shatters that notion and makes it clear that no one truly cares for him. The film provides a very detailed look at how the society around Arthur moulded him into the murderous man he became.
@@wet-readso you hate the movie because its not your taste lol. So not out of logic
@@ShreyDoshi2
That is not correct. It isn't a matter of taste. If that was the case, I wouldn't like the two films that chiefly inspired Joker. But I *do* like them.
I walked out of the screening of Joker in tears. I felt everything he went through and it tore me apart because it was so real. I wish cinema were still more like this than the stupid fluff and garbage that gets churned out these days.
"This is a movie about people failing to understand each other." -Spot on. This movie is an incredible film.
This movie is about mental illness. His mother is insane you dum dum
In a bigger sense this movie is a social commentary and a warning message about the fact that a sick unfair social system inevitably creates sick broken people, because there's only so much beating down and abuse (beginning from the early childhood even) a human being can take.
Ian Baker and you just described what he just said, ya dum dum.
@@jellyfishi_ You are right. I try to be correct but I also get so frustrated with other people when logic is overwhelming and they still don't want to come to terms with an issue, that I just hit screw it mode and let them have a piece of my mind. It's not because I hate them but because it is just so mindblowing to me and many others when the truth should be painfully obvious...But acting that way just shows that I don't have any peace in my mind and it does no good. Wisdom dictates that one not debate with what appear to be fools who just want to be contradictory for the sake of generating grief and I should not let that bother me. We should act respectful
It’s an ok film that’s pretty much carried by the perfect performance given to us by the ridiculously talented Phoenix.
This review is laughably hypocritical though. Drinker goes from shitting on the critics (political activist) for injecting their political ideology into their analysis while in the very next minute, he injects his own ideology by denigrating and comparing the rioters to ANTIFA. By giving us the “straight white males are oppressed too” malding, etc.
I like the Critical Drinker. Even though he’s a reactionary that injects his politics in every review he makes but he’s funny and I enjoy the humor. I thought he would go into this review by simply avoiding the politics and “muh Hollywood is too left wing” and concentrate on reviewing the film. Oh well.
I legit almost burst into tears during the scene where Arthur imagines himself in the audience of the Murray Franklin Show. It is so hearbreaking to see. Gives so much to Arthur's character and this is in the fucking beginning of the film. He is so desperate for some kind of affection because his life is nothing but a living hell. It also shows that Arthur also desires a father figure that he can look up to, which I feel is part of his obsession of Murray Franklin. I knew when this scene happened that I was in for one of the best films of all time.
Reminds ya of similar scenes of Requiem for a Dream, also a heartbreaking movie totally worth recommending. I know some critics complained about this movie being too similar to other classics, but I’d rather have that than just have unnecessary fanservice that won’t advance the plot.
An extremely important film through and through
@@Sleeper250 'cause they were rich
@@Sleeper250 Gotham was already a powder keg of anti-rich sentiment that was ready to explode. Arthur murdering employees of Thomas Wayne (the richest man in Gotham) was the spark to ignite it all and then murdering Murray live on TV set off the explosion.
@@Sleeper250 World War 1 was started because an extremist group murdered the Prince of Austria-Hungary. People were already upset before the murder, it was just used as a symbol to a major cause, like the assassination of the Prince, Europe was already on the edge of war, but this situation exploded everything
Dude i was tearing up too
I found this movie difficult to watch, because it is so realistic and hits so close to home. It's very easy to see this as something really happening. It was such an emotional ride. Phoenix is a true god in this, his acting is absolutely masterclass. This was the perfect time to have this movie come out the way it came out. It was beautifully done. You hit the nail on the head with your review.
It's weird how even though there are big claims about socially conscious material being all over entertainment, there are few works that really hit hard in this way by deviating from the popculture version of what is peddled under the label.
Because while one can always cringe at leftist agenda when shoehorned or excessive, there is a video game that has it as a totally bearable second role to a primary theme of boring, miserable, hopeless youth in a dying town, so I can highly recommend the video game Night in the Woods for the same reason I would recommend Joker. Plus, NITW has some really strong meta character about the things talked about in this video, about the suffering from all sides clashing.
The fresh take of the Joker character revitalized me for the Hero genre. This movie focused less on violence and combat and more on narrative and making sure the audience understood the direction. It's magical.
You should see Unbreakable, M. Night Shyamalan's 2000 take on the superhero origin story, with Bruce Willis. It was made at a time when superhero movies were considered box office poison and it was wrongly marketed as a suspense thriller. It's in fact a quiet, gripping masterpiece that's become a cult movie in recent years.
@@fruzsimih7214 Already watched 'em, some of my favorite movies.
Joker: "Hollywood died.... I'm celebrating"
Arthur: Because I'm celebrating.
@@VoytekPavlik Amazing line, amazing script
Does he say that in the movie?
@@JoeHeine he says his mother died and he's celebrating
Lol.. Hollywood literally made this..
Just the fact that this film exists is a miracle.
Well Said.
Periodt.
No it’s not.
K1ngfreecs yes it is. You have an anime Pfp so your opinion doesn’t matter 🙈
I don’t like sand haha what an original joke, but seriously, what’s is so miraculous about a joker movie existing?
The first shot was self-defense. You may even be able to argue the second one as well. But hunting the third guy down, that's well outside the realm of reason.
…and 100% in character.
Very true, but in character that is the moment when he says "Fuck It, they started it, I'm going to finish it...". Can't say that I'd personally peruse the guy myself, but then again, I'm not in the same mental state as Arthur...
But the third would tell a fake story and get arthur life in prison. Obv he probably wasnt thinking that, but IMO still self defense
This was a character litmus test for my friends. If people said he was totally justified in his killing - it gives me serious concern about their moral compass - it suggests that they are driven by a worldview of resentment and revenge.
@@duganrocks100 A fake story started spreading regardless.
I said this before it released, when we were just seeing the trailer:
To see someone on the edge is heartbreaking, and most of us can relate. To see someone at the bottom is soulcrushing, and even if we can’t empathize, we can sympathize.
But to watch them move from edge to bottom…to see the process…is terrifying. And to feel any kinship with them during that transitory time, is to see the madness inside ourselves.
"Activists... whoops! Movie critics"
👍
Pretty much all they are, nowadays.
Nailed it... I'm going to adopt this.
Joe Curr I c what u did there
Looks at Rotten Tomatoes
69%
TOMATOMETER
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Patrick:whats the difference?
I'm not going to hurt you.... You were the only one who was ever nice to me.
Rico Garcia the English voice he puts on just before that part actually made me LOL in the cinema.......... and for some reason only me!!! ......😳
Yeahhh people turned around, kinda awkward
Right horrifying, that scene. So close to the lion’s jaws, but let loose for pecking them clean.
Nerd Herd I never heard that phrase. I’m familiar with the mouse removing the thorn from the lions paw; probably just a different cultural variation.
ryan m, I may have heard it somewhere before, but that particular phrasing was just me stringing words together while thinking of how birds will clean the jaws of alligators and how some large cats will affectionately lick prey animals, as if cleaning their fur rather than tasting them. I’ve heard the lion’s paw adage, but the one I typed was some weird concoction produced by sleepiness and confusing certain things I’ve seen into one phrase.
I was the only person in the theater who couldn't stop laughing in that scene. The poor wee man pissing himself in the corner has to tiptoe around ther dead body, only to get to the door where he can't reach the latch.
Then, you don't see it, but im sure there was a bloody kiss mark on his bald dome..
I was dying, crying and wondering why no one else was laughing, which only increased my amusement
"I didn't know what an incel was, so I had to look it up." Lol, that was me too. I swear, lately they manufacture these new "words" faster than sweets in a candy factory.
Lol all words are technically "manufactured" (made up) you know that, right?
@@SagaDraws Yes, but there's a difference between words manufactured organically, and those that are signal-boosted or woven entirely to push a narrative.
That said, incel (short for involuntary celibate) actually wasn't made up by the media, it was a self-chosen name by a group of neckbeard virgins that even other neckbeard virgins bullied. After one self-described incel named Elliot Rogers did a mass shooting because he was so offputting multiple hookers literally wouldn't fuck him, the media slowly started using it as a label to mock and stigmatize other people they didn't like.
@@SagaDraws thank you, Thor
This movie was absolutely something that took me by surprise. An incredible film, like another film I can think of in the last 20 years that Joaquin Phoenix, Gladiator. What an emboldened movie, to speak out against extremism on either side. The experience is otherworldly. Great analysis from Drinker.
It is almost as redundant to mention the films that directly inspired Joker as it is to hear people say this movie is brilliant, a masterpiece, etc. But I have to ask... have you seen them? Or other films that feature, if not underline, mental illness, loneliness, homicidal rage, and so on?
@@wet-read I've seem several, but you'd need to go into specifics if you want better answers. I have to admit, I might have been hyperbolic when writing this, but the film did have a big impact on me. Every generation has a film that shares similarities with a prior great. Joker might just be one of them.
@@maximusaralieous1728
Well, Taxi Driver (probably?) and The King of Comedy (maybe?), mainly.
These may have inspired Joker:
Falling Down
Fight Club
@@wet-read I've only seen Fight Club of those you listed. I've heard Taxi Driver was on another level. Need to watch it. Still, being inspired by greatness doesn't make it automatically great, but it doesn't disqualify it automatically either.
The Shining may be one of my favorite driven to madness movies, although that's certainly very different. Needle Park, although more about crippling addiction is very brutal and dark.
The fact that it actually makes you sympathetic for the Joker of all people was damn impressive.
Not really. I'm sure every coherent backstory intends to make you sympathetic. What's the point in a major character if they're totally unrelatable?
@@bloodsweatandbeers4684 I mean that's a thing every character is relatable let's say a masochist is a main character the mainstream might not find the character relatable but masochists will.
That's the worst part of the movie...
@@bikebudha01 what?
@@Dash-lx4ng Giving the 'evil guy' a 'tough life that made him evil' is one of the most tired tropes of all time. All it does is take away from the evil that the Joker is supposed to be. Now he's not evil, he's misunderstood. boo hoo bullshit...
This film is what Scorsese meant by the MCU is not cinema. The Joker is cinema.
dig it
I think the first Captain America was Cinema
@@TheAngryKilljoy this, but unironically
Eric Chamberlain they’re both cinema, just different genres
@@adrienbrown1944 Not really, it's just garbage
It's just CGI beating on CGI for two hours where no one really dies and that's it
“Not hating those who started out with more than us, or belittling those who ended up with less. Not mocking those who don’t fit in, or resenting those who do.”
This should be on t-shirts.
Joker was a phenomenal film. I love everything about it, even the fact that the directors and producers and such *nailed* the atmosphere so well that I actually felt dreadful by the end. Never in my entire life have I felt that after watching a film. Outstanding.
"...not a hint of CGI nonsense to get in the way..."
That one mention sold it to me. I'll definitely go see it.
yohannbiimu and no one missed it
It's excellent
you need to see it ASAP, it really is the best movie of the year
@MAGACOP If that's all then I can live with that. If they turned him into some monstrosity that starts eating everybody, then that would be another matter entirely.
It made me feel important and beautiful in this world 🌎
Movie of the year 2019 hands down for me. They actually took time for character development and emotion? They actually made you understand and feel what he's going through? They actually gave a damn about the script and story? Made you consider both sides and that everything isn't simple black and white?! What witchcraft is this?! No wonder SJWs left the theater saying they were terrified.
They left and went home to watch their masterpiece...The Last Jedi
SJW's are terrified of everything. They can't change their own tires. They can't build anything. They are afraid to work the land. They resort to "activism" so as to ACT OUT THEIR FEARS AND FRUSTRATIONS. The rest of us? We have no choice but to do the actual work for them and the rest of the whiners.
@@AlanZapp
"SJW's are terrified of everything. They can't change their own tires. They can't build anything. They are afraid to work the land. "
wow, your imagination is working overtime.
must be motivated by all that projection you employ?
seriously, none of you clowns live in reality.
it's sad, really.
start living your lives instead of pretending to.
SJW's are triggered snowflakes that complain about every damn thing.
A white male victim. Reeeee!
One of the few quality movie hollywierd have dropped in many years. No crap reboot or generic unimaginative fodder . Phoenix deserved that oscar.
I love how The Drinker was so emotional you could almost hear him considering if he should say "go away now" after this one
Phoenix is so good that when the joker is having a laugh attack, you can see that he is suffering at the same time. I can´t imagine anyone else in this movie.
Joker said once, "I laugh because I don't wanna cry, my laugh is my crying!!!
It was so good that for the first few months after watching it, whenever I just remembered his laugh, it made my heart ache
Maybe Daniel Day Lewis, but yeah
What hit me hardest, is how he's only happy once he embraces his insanity.
It is sad that his plight is actively undercut by those he goes to for help. We all need a support system. In "The Silence of the Lambs," Lecter said that the serial killer "Buffalo Bill" was not BORN a monster...he was MADE one.
Insanity is a lot like evil in that it changes what you think is normal.
@@karazor-el6085 But not all "monsters" are victims of circumstances. Some really are just born that way.
@@tyraster8603 Those who specialize in mental disorders note that genetics is not enough to determine whether one is doomed to madness or not - A nurturing environment for one genetically disposed to sociopathy can result in a well-adjusted individual, or a brutal environment can drive a genetically-stable person to insanity. Like everyone else, "insane" is a mix of genetics and environment.
@@karazor-el6085 If you're gonna try to present your opinion as a fact backed by scientific experts then you'd better be ready to cite your sources. Several, in fact. The perfect, ideal environment you speak of just delays the inevitable for the truly deranged. There are people out there who have never experienced any form of hardship in their lives yet are "monsters". Of course, we all have the capacity to do atrocities, which is what makes us so interesting but our genes do define us more than what you seem to believe. I'm not saying circumstances can't completely alter or shape a person but as I said, there are those that are just born that way and there's nothing you can do to change them.
@@tyraster8603 Fair enough. Dr. Martha Stout, from her book THE SOCIOPATH NEXT DOOR.
When he was dancing in the subway restroom is the exact moment joker turned into Heisenberg
I have finally seen Joker. It shines a light on violence, the plight of the poor, the problem with too many guns all without being preachy about any of that. It is a wonderful movie with great characters. Phoenix gives a fantastic performance.
I loved how the movie broke down his character. He fought his illness the entire build up and then it's like a visual weight is lifted when he allows himself to descend into his madness (because of the re-examination of his trauma). Did anyone else notice how intentional he became after that? His random bouts of laughter stopped...
i didnt notice. cool. but he stopped taking his meds, the same time he was realizing how messed up his past was, and that it was a lie. even when he had already said he wasnt sure he was real
Yes
Check out carl jungs concept of shadow integration. Describes this movie deeply and perfectly.
I wanted to see him metamorphize more deliberately, but, will take what I can get. I also like kind of need to be hit over the head sometimes or I don't GET IT. I need to see this again while it is still in theaters. For the full experience.
He laughs when he is uncomfortable and dances when he is having fun. You see that the bouts of laughter stop and are replaced by dancing in public, even after committing acts of violence.
When you have developed a character to the point where you can actually feel sympathy for the villain then you have just created the perfect villain!
Andrew Young Better than Thanos
The thing is Arthur doesn't really feel like a villain in this movie, he's just a victim of the cruelty of Gotham city. Even the whole riot wasn't planned by him deliberately. He just wanted to be happy. Gotham is just a truly fucked up city.
I really liked this movie...🕺
And so your conclusion 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanos agrees with you.
When you've been to the same place as Arthur Fleck you completely understand this film, when you get no love your heart becomes dark and bitter.
When no one cares about you, you start to care about nothing else, or nothing at all.
And eventually another feeling arises, grows and fills you out completely:
Hate.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs That is where the fun begins.
@@Ronin3453
If you manage to channel it correctly, yes.
@@Ricardo-cl3vs How do you think one channels it correctly?
@@Ronin3453
How do you define "fun"?!
Finally saw this last night. Phoenix’s performance is the standout here, but the story is nothing to sneeze at. It gets a bit oppressively dour, a grimy city populated by angry people, but that serves as the frame for a pretty tragic tale. Certainly glad you recommended it.
"Resulting in the death of Thomas Wayne and his wife, in front of their son as they tried to flee the chaos."
Oh boy, I hope this kid doesn't swear revenge and becomes a vigilante of some sort.
And hope he doesn't get a thing for bats.
I hope his cousin doesn't get a TV show?
@@williamw7685 Too late.
@@williamw7685 lmfaooo
There's a lot of sad, personal stories in these comments so its refreshing to see something light and fun. Best comment thread. 👍
"Hopefully my death makes more cents, than my life" - Arthur
@VobisPacem why yes, the double Joke. *Walks into sliding door*
"Knock, knock..."
@@angsty-j653 you had to look that up?
@@zycane It's exit only.
It did, a 100 billion
I cried when it ended. This movie will be one of those movies that define decades/eras. Perfect description of the whole fucking world at 2019.
Try nowadays.
Shame that Hollywood wants to milk it for a trilogy now, due to its popularity.
Ive worked in mental health for over 20 years. Its normally portrayed really badly in media. Im normally either embarrassed or angered by actors " acting mad ." Pheonix's acting in this is simply the best Ive ever seen in this area. He must have done a hell of a lot of research to pull this off. He totally nails it. Its a great movie. And you sir have done a great review of it :)
Thank you for your hard work in this field.
As a client care worker , I must totally agree with you.
@@portraitofman2063 his brother Rivers Phoenix died tragically when they were both super young.
@@portraitofman2063 his brother actually died just like how Joker describes it, on a sidewalk from an overdose, right in front of the club he was in.
Phoenix is not far from insanity himself, as geniuses often are.
When Arthur 'died' and became the Joker I could literally feel the energy change in him and in the theater. It was absolutely breathtaking.
I was laughing and smiling the whole time and whenever he killed someone i always laughed, idk what that says about me, but i fucking loved it.
@@EnD3rG4M3r That was 100% me too (maybe a little something wrong but i'd say it's a good wrong). That's why the Joker is probably the most famous of any Villain... his nihilism is beautiful.
Get a life lol
@@delusionsofgrandeur1330 liking your own comment, Get a life lol
When he spreads the blood on his face. That's the best smile I've seen in a movie.
Well Drinker, I grew up watching Siskel & Ebert. They were the only movie critics that I trusted. The only reason why I trusted Roeper is because he worked with Ebert. But now, you too have earned my trust as an unbiased movie critic. I salute you. 👏👏👏👏
Joaquin did a fantastic job!
I found myself feeling bad, and understanding his character.
and now you want to shoot up a school, right? i have the same feeling.
That speech he gives while on the talk show. He’s 100 per cent right! Critics giving this film bad reviews clearly see the world through coloured lenses.
SciManBot ramos I hope you're joking.
I felt sympathy for him too. It’s okay.
Disturbing feeling, isn't it?
I love how you mock Ryan Johnson in every single video. He deserves no less. All journos were crying and whining for this movie about a violent white male. News flash: Joker is a villain. What did they expect?
"tHiS mOviE gOnNa mAkE pEopLE sHoOtINg uP eAcH oThEr"
*This movie made people go to the joker-dancing stairs and shooting up their cameras.*
Ironic bc at the time, there was gang violence at a movie showing... Frozen 2. In the UK.
" What did they expect?"
Ronald McDonald
You can bet those very same "journalists"would not complain anywhere as much if Joker was of an ethnicity. Then they'd call it "Empowering."
Seriously can't wait soon enough for Hollywood to die. The big studios will either choose to downsize freeing many franchises from their tentacles to people who know what they're doing or they'll go bankrupt and sink into the sea on their ship of wokeness only to be ripped apart and devoured by the independants and smaller studios who usurp them. Then maybe we will get studios and directors who don't give a fuck about the bitchy woke minority and stand their ground for creative expression and integrity. Loved franchises will be revived and tended to with the admiration and devotion worthy of their legacies and perhaps finally we will get alot more films that ain't slapped with an expiration date by corporate, brainless and soulless gobshites who are trying to be only relevant in that moment which will come off as insufferably cringy a year later.
Hollywood needs change, it needs upheaval, it needs a revolution by those who aren't afraid to stand their ground and tell the woke agenda to go fuck itself. If they do this you bet your ass the public will back their corner, having grown sick over the last 6-7 years of being force-fed Hollywoods woke bullshit and being spoken down by spoilt, arrogant, vain adult pretenders who think they can dictate how people are to live. They all need to shut the fuck up and be grateful that we see their work and realize WE PAY THEM for entertainment so theoretically as customers we are also their bosses. If we boycott and avoid investing in their careers, it is them who will suffer for their actions.
Heh. You do know Rian wrote the film "Brick"? He is no dummy. Some time will pass and you will realize what Rian did. He infiltrated Disney and destroyed it. The guy's a damned legend.
This movie really started my love of reviewing. It is complex and simple at the same time and while the message it sends is heavy it sure as hell works
The only thing that is complex is the way Arthur is written. That is, overwritten. I think writers do that with unsavory protagonists to ensure the audience will root for them.
Simply one of the best movies of all time.
Hate that a sequel is in the works.
This is not a spandex superhero movie. No, it's a brilliant drama of someone who decents into madness.
Never has a psychological illness been depicted as good as here.
Maybe in Inherent Vice. Weirdly and tellingly by the same brilliant performer... 😮.
A MASTERPIECE.
Everyone: "This movie is horrible"
Everyone Else: "This movie is amazing"
The Joker in Joker: "Entertainment is subjective"
*Drops broken pool cue*
Make it fast!
No one who saw this and is not a political hack can say it's a bad movie. You might not like the theme but it doesn't mean it was a bad movie. Just because I don't like two door sports cars doesn't mean that a Ferrari is a bad car. It's very well shot, edited, written, and acted. It's a objective fact.
I think I sharted in the theater during that scene.
Fuck yeah! I'm going to go See this movie, and if it is as good as they say, I'm buying a blue ray player and buying the fricken director's cut or whatever it is for this movie too.
"It's time for a little... aggressive expansion... in my pants for this movie"
I found two messages in the film:
1. Fund our mental health system.
2. Don't be an @$$hole.
Really? the message I got, was every mass shooter has been on SRIs and the media feeds off metal illness.
The message I got was that everything is relative.
The message I got was...you need to watch this again.
3. If the working class starts threatening to rebel, and you're trying to run for mayor, maybe stop treating them like shit.
@@robinbanks3186 was he treating them like shit? It's never been shown. He just said that those marginalized murderers walking down the streets are cowards and clowns (in a bad way). Seriously, guys, what kind of movie have you imagined in your minds?
Just rewatched this movie last night. It is still very good. Phoenix is such a great actor in this.
I saw Joker in the cinema... it's the last ilm I saw in the cinema, so good it was. The next will be Dune.
The scene in the comedy club, where his laughter and the rest of the audience's laughter aren't synchronized, is gold. Also, the scene where we found out that he'd Tyler Durdened his relationship with the woman... Scary af!
The fact that his relationship wasnt real was WAYYYYYY too obvious.
@@TheDictismiT
that's great for you but it completely blindsided me
@@TheDictismiT Yeh it was obviously in his mind. When he barged in on the girls apartment, you knew it was BS
@WSG Man Eh, in 2019 everything is possible, but yes, it was a bit of a stretch. Then again, here is this lonely single-mom maybe finally making a connection with someone. Maybe she has mental health problems as well. You never know. I think it was subtle enough...likewise her eventual fate.
Come on. That one you HAD to see coming from a mile away.
For me, the saddest part was when the mom at the bus chides him to stop making her kid laugh.
i'd second that, but now i'm thinking it's when wayne punches him. wayne knew who he was, and with the tiniest bit of effort could have figured out what it meant to be him. plus, there was no need - he could just have walked away, but he punched arthur because he thought that's what men in his position did. the mom on the bus didn't know arthur, she didn't punch him, and she was stepping in for her child. let's not forget there are signs all over the place (i knew one in s.f. at least) that say you can't loiter too close to a children's playground when you're an unaccompanied adult.
@@doubleyouranger honestly I like that bit. They went and changed how the Wayne's are perceived. In classic iterations they're supposed to be good and honest people and you felt a warmth for them and Bruce when he loses them. Thomas wanted to make a difference and invest his money in the city. Like in the Dark Knight trilogy where he brings jobs in the city and funds the project for a railway system for people to get around the city. However, Joker doesn't insult our intelligence and shows us the world isn't like that with Thomas Wayne being a real asshole to Arthur knowing his history and calling the citizens clowns who can't earn their own way. It's a true depiction of OUR society and that's why critics hate it so much because it's a mirror and not a filter. It'll be interesting how they show Bruce when he grows up as an adult in the public eye and his true motivations as Batman. Considering he idolizes his parents and that's the base for him stepping up to stop crime. I wonder if he'll become more understanding when it's brought out his father wasn't all that good. Maybe it'll motivate him to do right by society. Speculation at this time.
@@blazinpuffs with you most of the time, except that (with the drinker on this one) i don't think our society is automatically like that. wayne is, or that's how the story goes. imagine arthur got that hug instead! you're crying now, and so should we. as for batman, i can't see him putting on a mask after all this. fingers crossed phillips/silver get to it during our lifetime.
@@doubleyouranger I won't have anything to do with any other movies in this universe unless Philips and Silver are involved.
That was to set the tone.
One aspect of this that stood out for me.. is the subliminal way in which De Niro passes the acting torch to Phoenix.. In some ways Joker is a re-telling of The Taxi Driver. A lot of the film's scenes, grit an noir look like they have been transplanted form Taxi Driver and I cannot help but see similarities between Travis Bickle and Arthur Fleck.. So its somewhat prophetic that De Niro plays a caricature of himself as rich and influential celebrity out of touch with the troubles of the real world. It certainly matched De Niro's insane Trump rants at the Oscar's from that year.. :-) and so it seems appropriate that the Joker shoots him on National TV in a disturbing, but appropriate tribute to Travis; as the torch is passed to the next generation of great actors.
I asked a coworker about the film before seeing it. He described it as Travis Bickle's angry son finally loses it. He then said "Imagine that they never made Taxi Driver, this would be it."
Just watched the Joker again. Came back to this video. Watch it a second time. Joaquin Phoenix needs to give classes of acting to Hollywood. The guy made the Character come to life. Amazing.
With all the Praise going to Joaquin Phoenix and Todd Phillips, can we take a moment for Hildur Guðnadóttir's score. It's up there as the best part of the film
Indeed, the score is the glue that binds a film.
The best movie score I’ve heard in years!
defi
And how simple it seemed!
That's the song you can dance with the devil by the pale moonlight in.
I needed this reminder that actors used to act.
I’m glad you liked this this movie it was a true masterpiece
This is one of my favorite movies. And it really makes me want a similar movie portraying the Dark Knight from this perspective
And it's not like he's falling into madness... it's like he's freeing himself from the quagmire of sanity.
Giggity
That's exactly how he saw it, when he said; I saw my life as a tragedy, but now I realize it's a comedy. Paraphrasing, but you know the scene.
Brigand, exactly as I thought.
And the public dancing as he descended more anc more
“I became insane, with long intervals of horrible sanity.”
-Edgar Allen Poe [possibly not a perfect quote]
This movie will be studied in film classes. My daughter will be able to tell her children that she saw it opening weekend.
It's brilliant.
How old is your daughter though?
@@DravicPL - She is 22.
@@tadsgirl That's tight. I mean the age.
:D
It wont simply cause Taxi Driver already existed before this movie
@@mainsmain this is a bit more relevant than Taxi Driver, because it broke the fourth wall a bit in a few spots, in a good way.
The true accomplishment of this movie is that it tries to make you understand the Joker and his motives and how his past formed him. It teaches empathy and tolerance in an egoistic, intolerant world.
Brilliant movie, Love it! Tip: watch the final speech of Charles Chaplin in "The dictator". Notice something?
This movie was just flat out amazing
Fatherlessness is a subversion I haven’t heard any reviewers mention yet
I haven't watched it yet, but I imagine you'll hear much about it in Stefan Molyneux's review
Stefan Molyneux was on point. 😊
More incapable or incompetent mothers, much less lack fatherhood.
In addition, one thing that this does well is depict how emotional imbalances manifest themselves physically. His mannerisms are OFF. He often talks like female told with a secret when does or says something cheeky or Joker-like. In the bathroom, he danced like a ballerina. Very few male dancers even move their hips like that. His lack of both a forthright mother and father has left him devoid and structure. I mean, really, even homosexual men and women are self conscious of themselves.
After fighting it his whole life, he then decides abject chaos is the best mode of being. Tragic!
King Melanin7 huh
Single mothers do incalculable damage to their male offspring.
This Joker does not need the Batman to tell his story. He does everything on his own and is great at it. It's dark, it's murky and it will knock your teeth out.
I think Warner bros understands now after a few blunders that people want good character driven stories now all we gotta see is if they keep going this route and which will live longer disney gender politic driven movies or wb character driven movies
I like that about this movie: It could have easily exist on it's own, without the DC tie in.
Yet they mentioned the name Wayne all movie
That's one thing I didn't like though, that they DID include Bruce and the death of his parents
@@marcobazan4187 Have you read the comics? This is the absolute first movie that understands and respects the source material.
God Bless the Drinker. You nailed it. One of the best films every made, in my opinion. Thank you for this review.
Joaquin is a brilliant actor. He especially shines in the hands of a great director.
Agree. If you haven’t already seen it check out The Master. Best Joaquin performance yet, he’s so good you forget he’s acting.
@@OoxB505 Thank you for the recommendation! I will definitely check it out.
While we're at it, if you want to see his early years in acting, he was in a Murder, She Wrote episode. We're Off To Kill The Wizard, hehe. Always through me for a loop when I remember it's him in that one.
"My mother died...
I'm celebrating."
That whole scene had me rolling, the dark humor got kicked up to 11.
The bit where Arthur laughed after his 'friend' mocked the midget for not being implicated in the murder made me laugh too.
@@ricksanchez1079 the most funniest part was when the midget couldn't open the door. LOL 😁. Never thought we would see something that funny in a dark movie.
That line was the closest to Aurther sounding like the Joker we know now.
It was soo deadpan to it was perfect.
@HydroKroNicReviews I know. If they make more movies like this, it would give Marvel a run for it's money.
I loved how the media just pushed the “incel” narrative on this film. Such a lazy and slimy argument to account for their disdain at the success of this movie.
Some good films back in 2019. Irishman, Joker, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood... Endgame was fun too.
In 2020 and 2021 we've only had shite.
@@henryjones2766 yeh 100%
Meh
Not at all
@@SubZero-hs9xc ???
2019 was such a great year for movies. Joker, The Irishman, OUaTiH, Midsommar, Us, Ford vs. Ferrari, Parasite, 1917, Avengers: Endgame, Ad Astra...
what i found funny was although the media demonized this movie for spreading hate or dangerous ideas, me and every one i know that saw the movie left the theater asking ourselves how we can become kinder and more empathetic people.
I mean, 99,9% of people dont dream of shooting up their schools. So yeah, of course you didnt just start to be a psycho after watching it.
Its a great movie, I loved it, but the preocupation of it's message is valid. considering the Usa has a serious mass shooting problems and this people think thenselfs just as injusticed and justified as Arthur gets portraied in the movie.
I also rather liked that the media was blasting the movie before it came out, proclaiming that it was filled with dangerous messages.
What was the sparking incident which turned the trickle through the cracks in the dam into an all out flood?
When the news confidently proclaimed that a man in a joker outfit murdered 3 businessmen in the subway...
...and not that it was a man who defended himself against three aggressors who turned on the lone man because he dared interrupt their predatory pursuit of a lone woman on the subway.
They completely missed that one of the factors the movie touches on is the media held up as gospel while stripping all nuance and fact from any story they report...er...fabricate. They proved by doing the very thing they were criticizied about in the movie, to the movie!
Everything negative the media said about this movie was untrue.
That's because the movie exposed the falsehoods the Left have pushed on us all for decades.
@@Ashigeru47 That's just silly. I'm not sure how Joker exposes the "falsehoods" of Leftism. If anything, the film shows what can happen when the social safety net isn't well-funded and the disenfranchised are ignored. This film casts a light on the problems that can arise when inequality between the classes spirals out of control. It's very Marxist in its interpretation, frankly. However, the film avoids being overly preachy and really sells the inequity of Gotham City well without becoming too overtly political.
Obviously, some elements of the "Left" are hating on this film because it supposedly encourages incels, but that's just baseless speculation and fear-mongering on their part. Those critics are just virtue signaling. I find them incredibly annoying, especially since they do such a disservice to Left ideology. This kind of whinging is not exclusive to the Left- there are just as many right-wingers who use identity politics to push their agendas. It's a scourge.
@@thenewapelles6448 "Men are oppressors, and can't be oppressed." Movie shows men Can, and often are oppressed.
"We need to tax people more to afford our social safety net." Movie shows how the social safety net actually hurts People, and keeps people in poverty, no matter how well funded (since most of the funding goes to the bureaucracy). It also shows that the social safety net doesn't actually help people with mental health problems, even when they get Medicaid, which takes up tons of taxpayer money, while providing crap care. I know, my girlfriend has really bad PTSD from childhood trauma, and is on Medicaid. It's completely useless.
70+% of US government spending is on social programs. Military and law enforcement only takes up around 16-17%. Social programs create dependency on government, and trap people in poverty... But we "need" it, while the government taxes the people (at all levels of income), which hurts the middle class, the working class, and the poor the most to pay for those programs, and creates more poor government dependents than it helps people out of poverty... Ever notice how the homeless population has grown exponentially, since the 1980's, and is over 70% men (who aren't eligible for those social programs)? I guess those homeless men aren't oppressed, huh?
So. Yeah.
The movie does highlight the falsehoods of the Left.
@@Ashigeru47 Speak those facts.
@@Ashigeru47 And we must keep exposing those falsehoods.
I just love the way Critical Drinker talks in this episode, the way he sounds in a very happy and excited like tone shows that he really loves this movie.
Wow Sir drinker. You are a genius with words. This review hits a part of the soul that not many people know how to express. Much blessings to you and your genius talent. 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾✊🏾✊🏾
The movie ends with him in the asylum. The same one that it hints to him being sent to when he is talking to his mum. It shows him banging his head off the glass. What if he is always in that room and the flash to him banging his head off the glass is actually a moment of clarity before he is pulled back into the fantasy by his insanity. The movie does a great job of making you question what is real and what is in his head. It hints to two truths! One it all happened as shown or two it was all a bad joke played out in his mind from the asylum. The movie is about the mind of the Joker! should it be anything other than a bad joke. Best film I have seen in a long time.
It's what The Joker would have wanted. To him, everything is a joke.
@Z. Michael Gehlke , I really want this to be the case. You Know there was a comic mini series that ran that route. A psychologist tries to run down all the different origin stories of the Joker, only to find that he made them all up and it was a trap from the beginning. Cool concept
Okay, this is my Canon.
This is because Joker as obviously is always an unreliable narrator, which is so much like him, this is a better version of him having One Bad Day
@@Sarah-jv9sx Good catch.
As much as I *REALLY* hate to say it...
Me: "Alita Battle Angel is easily the best movie of 2019 and nobody can change my mind."
DC: "Send in the clown."
Dont think Alita was the best movie of the year, but this is funny haha
@@blazeplayz2508 agreed lol
I liked Alita, but not as much as I liked the manga which is a fucking masterpiece.
Thinks Alita was best movie of the year.
Now I'm convinced this movie is overrated.
Uh I found Alita fucking dreadful
It’s a brutal & honest analysis of human society, it can be damn cruel to those who don’t fit the mould.
I watched this 4 years ago in the theatre & I loved every second of it. Watching this video today & reliving the many scenes of this movie brings me to tears. Joaquin Phoenix was just awesome, this movie made me a fan of his