Trick for those of us who don't have a left-handed spring winder: wind the spring into one size smaller winder, then pop the spring into the correct sized winder as if it were the barrel. You have now flipped the spring into the correct orientation and can pop it into the barrel.
All the time I’ve spent watching Marshall fix watches, I’ve never been so shocked as today. Cutting down the power reserve hand… that was a bold move. 😂
Now it doesn't reach the hash marks. I think they did this because when you look at it from the edge a little sideways, it's not very clear which line it's pointing at. The hash marks are on a bevel.
@@Wanted797 actually, weirdly, the radius if the power reserve is not circular to the base of the hand, so it doesn't reach in the middle now, but is over the line at the top and bottom. (45:55) I think he picked a good middle ground.
So far I have not seen any limits. Yes hair spring repair requires extreme skill, but I have watched your videos and nothing has stopped you, except maybe the self winder with the updide down wheel, that you eventually fixed. You fixed things that Rolex themselves would not touch, you fixed rusted watches with diamonds missing that you discovered accidentally in sourcing spare parts. I am simply amazed by how you reassemble a jigsaw of liny bits into a working watch.
fun your say? seeing how bent and mis-aligned it was i bet Marshall (any amount) was not thinking "fun", myself seeing the bend was thinking "no way is this NOT going to break" but once again Marshall shows us all what can be done with care and patience.
At 22:59, it looks like there's a chunk of the old main spring left in the barrel? There's something slightly irregular around the edges. Usually the barrel looks like it's smooth down from the top edges, there's a ledge this time. This might also be why the new mainspring went flying, because it caught on that ledge and you couln't get it in.
That's actually a detached bridle, and it should be in there if he's reusing the original mainspring. If you pause at 12:58 you can see the original mainspring has a tail on it like a manual-wind mainspring, which grabs onto a hook on the detached bridle. The replacement mainspring has an attached bridle, so the detached bridle should be taken out.
I love how you explain and guide us along in every single project you've done. You've got me into watch revival and even constructing my own custom watches. Thanks Marshall!
Welp, you really really did it. You inspired me to get into watches, and start watch repair as a hobby. I have most of a basic set of tools, got my first $15 "beater" watch to practice disassemby/assembly, and bought a couple of "project" watches. I bought a decent one to wear around. And this week, I successfully did a complete disassembly/assembly of my first watch! Yay! I only broke one thing! Dang it! 😆 It was the seconds wheel shaft, I got confused about the disassembly order and took off the cannon pinion without removing the wheels for the hands. Oops. Won't make that mistake again. It's EXTREMELY fun. Thanks so much for the excellent videos, and the encouragement to get into it.
As a Watchmaker myself, it was like watching a murder mystery, and seeing all the clues come together when you were working on that hairspring.. it was like I was sitting on pins and needles. Good job! Also, when you lost that screw, I could relate to the frustration of trying to find it. Luckily it wasn’t too much of an issue. Great job on my watch!
Hi Mark! Just looked at your site... I quite like pocket knives, and have about 15, but am just curious to know how many you have in your collection!! Greetings from UK 😊
I was going to say the same thing. It definitely looked like a piece of main spring was still around the outside of the barrel and might even have been why he had trouble getting it in the barrel. I'm interested to see if it's something we don't know about or something he might've missed.
If you look at 22:59 you can definitely tell there's still a piece of the old mainspring left left in the barrel. Outstanding video, got to love those dulcet tones of his narration.
Marshall I really enjoy watching your channel, on days when I have the oppurtunity for some R&R I will watch your channel all day. My mom always gave watches as gifts, thus watches carry special memories. Thanks Kelly
Not sure how thorough the level of Supervision was if I'm honest, a cat on the other hand, would have settled down for a long hard look and cleared any stray screws off the table immediately.
When you removed the existing mainspring, you left the automatic bridle inside. Even while reinstalling the new mainspring, in the video, we can clearly see something still inside the barrel (23:05 for example, or 24:02). I find it hard to believe you didn't see it, so I'm probably missing something here. Can you elaborate on why please ? Also I don't understand why you didn't remove the hairspring from the balance in order to straighten it. You are not working on a flat surface, doesn't it make it a lot harder to work on ?
Marshal mentioned in another comment that the curved blued steel piece along the inner surface of the outer wall is a "braking spring". I'm guessing he didn't remove or replace it because there's nothing wrong with it. Its function is to hold the outer surface of the mainspring motionless unless the torque gets too high (due to mainspring being fully wound), in which case it slips just enough to relieve the excess tension, thus preventing auto-winding from breaking the mainspring. That's also why Marshall didn't use braking grease as he normally does: watches with a braking spring don't use braking grease.
I recently discovered this channel, and I am absolutely blown away by Marshall’s expertise in restoring vintage watches. This particular episode took things up a whole new level. I have been a fan of luxury watches for my entire life , but never a collector of vintage watches, … until now.
My Daughter bought me a Lucien Piccard 12761 with a Japan battery powered movement 8 years ago. It's a nice Rose Gold watch she bought at Golfsmith at Christmas time. She also just got back from Europe where she stopped in Geneva Switzerland and bought me a Hanowa GH-00018 Gold watch with a green dial made by a family owned watch company in Geneva. I love micro brand watches. The Orient watch company uses a lot of 17mm straps. I have two automatic Orient Bambino watches. A 41mm and 40mm . I didn't realize Lucien Piccard made automatic watches this old. Great video. I'm new to your channel.
Dude....that spring restoration. So simple in concept, but that just SCREAMS to me that it's one of those things that seems simple and just NEVER goes the way you think it would. Well freaking done, there's no way I could have done something like that!
This is one of my favorite watches you have repaired. Beautiful dial! And I also think the power reserve is a cool complication. Nice job saving it for someone to wear.
These videos are mesmerising and as someone who hasn’t a clue, I will never know how on earth you remember where all that goes back 😄. Years of repetition I guess, but it’s still impressive and fascinating to watch such great workmanship.
What a beautiful watch, I never realised that a power indicator was not a new thing!! Your skill with the hair spring is second to none, there is no way that I would ever have attempted it and even after watching you do it I still would have looked for a replacement spring. A superb restoration.
Wow! The way you adjusted and repaired that hair spring on the balance was absolutely unbelievable 😳 🤯 excellent work 👏 such a beautiful watch with the power reserve in a symmetrical place on the dial which is a rare thing as its usually off centre or on the case back. Just phenomenal! 😊
Outstanding video and repair. I always marvel at your surgical like repair. If I was not retired having a watch that shows it energy level would be a plus for me. I was a hands on type manger and this would have been a welcome addition. Being retired, I still do like that sort of ability. Parts flying off the bench are a given in any type repair. I applaud your designed magnet ruler to locate minute parts.
Marshall, couple things... I have heard you say you receive feedback that some are not that interested in watchmaking, though they love the videos. That is definitely me. I find your production outstanding, your voiceover work is unparalleled (grunts as you open a stuck case), and your voice is smooth and comforting. I also appreciate that you don't cut in to throw to some ad from squarespace or whatever. Definitely keeps continuity. The fact you mention Patrion in your videos is fine, as it is unobtrusive, and that you sell starter kits is really nice actually, and takes away nothing from the channel. I even find myself hoping to see a few watches for sale on your channel, because they are now serviced and many are just sexy timepieces. I wish you all the success you can handle! Also... for those who can't join a monthly pay service, is there a way to send you $20 or something directly? Venmo or something like that?
Such a pretty watch! and might i add very brave of you just fixing the bent spring instead of just getting a donor one. and the 46 mins flew by watching this. Thank you for restoring this watch :D i enjoyed it all the way from The Netherlands
1:33am here in Philadelphia. This is what I get for checking TH-cam after a late night fitness ride. Less sleep than I was already going to get for me, haha.
Hey -- this video, more than any other, makes me want to get into this hobby. Seeing things go sideways for you and watching you recover lends some confidence that, if I'm patient and just work my way through the unexpected, this is possible. Thanks for showing us a build that went a little sideways!
At the end you can see that the power reserve indicator hand was long because the scale is not symmetrical, now it's been cut it will be way too short at the zero power end of the scale.
Actually, at zero power it will be the same as at full power. At 44:55 in the video you can see that after trimming, the hand is short right at mid-power or 18 on the dial. However, at 3:08 in the video, you can see that if Marshall had not trimmed it, it would have been long at 18 and really long at the ends. Perhaps he could have struck a compromise, a little long on the ends and a little short in the middle, but I think he achieved a good look with where he cut it.
I am just watching through your back-catalog of repairs and I have to say you did some great work on that hair-spring at 16:25, I thought that was toast for sure. Fantastic work and one of the main reasons I subbed to your channel. I also like that you kept the bloopers in as well ;)
I noticed this too. That's why I think he was having issues with the mainspring and the arbor not fitting correctly. I was screaming at the screen, "NOO!!! There's some bits still in there! You were the chosen one!!" 🤣
Another commenter said it's a detached bridle, which the old mainspring attaches to with a small hook on the end. The new one has an attached bridle (the double bit at the end) and therefore the old one should be removed. A lot of people seem to have noticed this too!
I bought a cheap hundred dollar watch that had auto wind on it. I just wear it at work, and I am an aircraft mechanic so it’s gonna get banged up well it quit working, the auto Wind weight mechanism came unscrewed. It was rattling. So I removed the back, carefully screwed it back on and adjusted the time to slow it down a little bit is running a little too fast, but I didn’t move it very much because you said it takes very little adjustment I want to thank you for your videos to give me the confidence to repair my own watch.
It's a "braking spring" or "detached bridle"; but yes, one could also call it a "slip ring", as it allows the mainspring to slip a bit if it gets too tight, to avoid breakage. That's also why he doesn't use braking grease: not needed.
20:35 BRO!!! There was no way I thought anyone could have fixed that bend! But YOU did it! That Sir was Extremely cool to watch! (Excuse the pun lol) 😮😅
Very very impressive. When I saw that hairspring bent like that, I really thought the next move was going to be replacing the hairspring, but you were able to bend it back to the point where it looked very promising! Great job on that!
Power reserve is right up there with GMT as my favorite complication. Neither is particularly useful, but since watches are unnecessary, I've decided to simply embrace that which I love. Now that I think about it, I think the only GMT with power reserve is a spring drive Grand Seiko.
If you want a seiko with gmt and power reserve there are a couple in the presage collection too, with normal movements more affordable than spring drive; and in the Seiko prospex with spring drive, aslo more affordable than Grand Seiko ;)
I find these videos and the sound of your voice so soothing that I listen to these as I go to sleep, I have learned so much about watch restoration that I want to try it my self soon, I would like to get your tool kit to start out, keep making this great content
These videos would be many hours long and tedious if he did not. I'm curious to know just how much straight time he has in these builds, not including waiting for ordered parts. I have no idea but I'm gonna guess 5-6 hours to take down and reassemble. Marshall does a good job in telescoping the process to make watchable (no pun intended) videos. I think not enough is said about his videographic skills. Between the narration, setting up the cameras, and editing it all together. Marshall may have mote time in producing the video than in the actual watch build. I really appreciate what this guy is doing.
@@mindeloman It's less so that he edits it, and more that he scripts it as if the narration was live. He doesn't say, "And here's where I did X" he says "Alright now I'm going to try doing X".
Oh my god I just realize that this is Marshall Sutcliffe from Limited Resources and MTG and my mind is blown, I always thought wristwatch revival had a similar voice and the same name and always thought what a coincidence! Feels like two worlds just collided. Super awesome videos!
One thing I'd like to tell you.. I've watched (ha) so SO many of your videos and I thank you for sharing your love for this hobby, however.. you generally explain the movement and the procedure you are performing basically the same every video. Your stories are always different and fun and add to the video, you have a great story telling voice, however.. EVERY time you post a video and I do watch at regular speed, absolutely, I must, anyway I listen to every word you have to say with pointed ears. Thank you for being who you are and sharing this passion with us. I have steady hands (am a carpenter by trade well and mechanic) and I'd LOVE to get into this micro-hobby, but I wear reading glasses and am just afraid it would be SO difficult to see these TEENY TINY screws and remember where they all go!! Anyway, thank you again for the wonderful content!!
I was thinking about this just yesterday. As someone who makes videos too I do find myself mixing it up a bit, but many successful shows stick to the same format and script. Don't worry about your eyes, we do everything using magnification, the fact you're a practical person who works with their hands is a great start. I was a cabinet maker before watchmaking, you'd be surprised how much translates. Cheers mate!
The screws can be intimidating for new hobbyists, particularly because there may be very similar looking screws that aren't really interchangeable. One strategy for the screws is to screw as many as possible back into their holes as you disassemble and leave them in during cleaning. Another strategy is to get a small parts storage box with many compartments, and as you remove screws you put them in a numbered compartment and make a note. For example if you remove the barrel bridge screws and put them in compartment #13 you'd make a note "13 - barrel bridge". If the screws look good you don't really have to clean them, and otherwise a quick shake in a solvent may be enough. If you work with a movement more you'll get to know its screws, and you can clean them along with the other parts. Maybe you won't take up the hobby yourself, and that would be fine of course. I wasn't planning to take it up myself, but in retrospect, the fact that I was fascinated & kept watching was a pretty strong sign that I actually would. It might be a good idea to start putting money aside for tools... 😆
@@vonkruel Good strategies! With a manual wind no date movement it looks impossible to keep track of at first, but splitting the parts into 3 groups is enough to keep track of the screws. You very soon get to know the differences.
@@rehajm yep that will work but i have several other barriers Fingers of Butter Memory of sieve Eye of Bat shakes of hands that can turn milk into child's drink but the worse would be children with inquisition
This is so great to see since I have the same movement in my great-grandfather's Elco watch. I saw the same placement for the power reserve and immediately suspected it was the same A. Schild 1382 movement. Very happy to have this video I can use as a tutorial once I am ready to start working on it. Thanks Marshall!
I'm confused about what was the thing you left inside the main spring barrel before installing the new spring. It almost looked like a piece of the old spring to me but I think you'd notice and remove it if that was the case. And you also didn't apply any braking grease so I guess it was supposed to be there?
Marshall, I really appreciate all the videos you post. You have a knack at providing educational content while keeping it light and entertaining. Thank you for providing hours of amazing videos!
0:23:25 Is there still part of the old spring in the barrel here? Or is that something else related to if being an automatic movement? Love these videos. Keep up the amazing work!
I loved the info on the hair spring repair! I will say I was surprised you didn't refresh the case any with a polish or a brushed finish but i love watching your videos! Ill eventually take a swing at it myself for sure
6:20am in the UK when this was released and I’m watching it avidly 😂 Shows how well you do things Marshall; I should be getting ready to go to the gym 😅 PS. 400 views in the first 5 minutes. Nice. Nice.
I’m going to guess that you used up all of your patience with the hairspring and then had to tackle the mainspring and screws. I am still in awe of your hairspring restoration! SO much patience.
At 11:15 that wsa your 'born to fly' spring there wasn't it? 🙃 As you say at the end of the video that it didn't 'fly' this time. By the way I didn't see you apply any grease inside the barrel of the main spring to make it easier to 'glide' when wound up to the maximum.
Nice work as always, Marshall. The scratches on the original and replacement plates, and in an A. Schild movement I have, suggest that the AS movements had soft metal. Or that the plates were banging around together in a box at the factory
Looking carefully at the barrel, it looks to me that it has the remains of some of the old mainspring still in it and when you first attempted to insert the new one it caught on it. Or perhaps it is supposed to have a metal ring inside the barrel like that.
I was thinking of that. On the other hand, perhaps because Marshall has no luxury of high magnification at all times, it was literally too small to notice. The lack of braking grease is bothering me. - Dang, his videos are better than some top thrillers.
Wow, there are awesome complications on a watch like this one with the power reserve measurement , and repairs that can also have complications in fixing it like the hair spring. Thanks for taking us on this watch journey to another working masterpiece.
I've been watching your channel for years and now I think I'm ready to try my hand at watch making. I'll get some gear from your site in the near future! Thanks for your inspiration.
Good restoration. Nice time piece. Some high end vintage watches have 17mm straps. I’ve noticed 17mm straps are more expensive than other sizes, as a result.
Great video and a lovely watch! Just a couple of comments from the peanut gallery... Knowing something about spring metal, I'd question the wisdom of drawing the spring through your tweezers like that. It might have been better to use your tweezers like pliers, to grab a corner and gently squeeze, so that you're only applying stress where needed. You can see if you look closely that you actually added small localized bends in your process and then had to work them out. In doing so, that put added strain into the spring and probably shortened the remaining life. "De Minimus" is usually the advised rule for stuff like this: rough forming, and then center out, rather than outside in. As for stuff flying off the bench, that's what happens to me when I get overconfident and start working too quickly. I also learned to work further on the bench and to have something of a backstop (maybe felt covered to prevent things from rebounding off it) to try to keep things from ending up on the floor. You can't pick up non-magnetic parts with a magnetic, after all. When I have to resort to a hands-and-knees search, I use a very bright flashlight for maximum contrast. I found it makes it much easier to find things.
At the end you see why it was originally longer. The arc of the indicator isn't the same radius or curvature as the sweep of the hand, so the hand looks too short at the midpoint. Oh well.
Hi Marshall, Just wated to say that watching and listening to you demonstrating your skills and chatting about the craft is one of the most relaxing, and soothing ways of passing an hour... so enjoyable !
That's such a cool watch. I hate to admit that I don't usually watch the videos without skipping some reassembly bits, but this one somehow kept my attention beginning to end. Maybe because it was so unique.
This was one of your best, Marshall. Love this little oddball, and love the dedication you put into restoring it. That hairspring repair was incredible to watch.
I really love this series of movements. I recently repaired an Aschild 1361 (the non wind indicator version of this movement) and it was a really fun to work on. Really unique bi-directional automatic winding works. I love the fact that it has the same style pinon and teeth as the sliding clutch.
As I get ducked deeper and deeper into the ability of watches and watch collecting and restoration, I hear your name and channel come up more and more so I would say you are having a wonder effect on the community with your "hobby". Congratulations!
I can see why the power dial was so long. At 45:54, the dial is short of touching the 18 mark, but when he fully winds the watch it goes through the 36 mark. They made it long so it would go through all the power marks across the whole range.
What a great complication. I never knew that there was a power reserve indicator. What a great idea. Re stuff flying off the bench, we have a retired horologist in a small town nearby who still does watch maintenance as a hobby/part time job, and he has a sort of cloth apron that he wears that he attaches under the work bench that acts like a kind of safety net. Seemed like a good idea when I saw it.
This is my kind of vintage watch. Not pretentious , beautiful styling and understated. I have several in this period and style, a Banner and a Welsbro. Great video.
I'm at the part where you just installed the barrel spring. Sometimes you put braking fluid for the spring to keep from spinning but I guess this time around it wasn't needed or shown but it did look to me that there was a piece of the barrel spring still in the barrel? Or is that another piece that serves the same function as the braking fluid?
The latter: it's a "detached bridle", aka "braking spring", which serves the same purpose as braking grease. It's not used in modern watches, but is common in older ones.
I enjoy learning about anything and everything! And as a mechanic, this stuff intrigued me so much! I also prefer machining channels as well! I may in the future pick this up as a hobby as well! Super detailed puzzles and I love them!
Exiting to watch you while restoring that watch. My favourite noise is the click when you drop the lid of one of the lubricant pots. Short,hard and dry click. 😊
Just watched the Clickspring video on making springs, and this pops up! Not sure how I missed this video, though I'm excited to watch you work again, Marshall ( posting this before watching your video :D ) Thanks for the content as always
I have a Rolex date just that just stopped working and I have a feeling my main spring is broken or something along the lines of what happened to this watch. I’m scared to send it to watch maker around me and get it back in worse shape maybe. On the hunt for a good watchmaker to repair my beloved watch. Keep up the good work I love these videos dearly.
Be careful! Marshall has mentioned that scammers have tried to impersonate him and get people to send them their watch. I wouldn’t send your watch to anyone who reaches out to you via TH-cam.
I do love your videos, making me feel like learning how to "revive" old timepieces. You did mention eBay and wanted to ask you if it is actually safe to believe the sellers claims for them.
I have returned items listed as "spares" and "no returns" in the past, only if they said something false in the description of course, or if one of the images was misleading. For example, I had a watch for repair that came without the crown. The crown was there in the images and there was nothing about it not being there anymore in the desc, so I was able to return it easily. Ebay is very safe for buyers. Less so for sellers though...
It's a joy to see the work you do. Today the hairspring was just a hair riser. At 22:56, isn't there some main spring left on the barrel? The reason for the new spring not seating correctly and jumping? Thanks for sharing such a delicate work, you make it seem very easy.
Yes, the braking spring was interfering with the mainspring seating the first two tries. But he was also trying to install it upside-down which wouldn't have worked anyway. Finally he got both issues sorted and the installation worked.
you have out-done yourself yet again! that hair spring straightening was over the top. the only thing i may disagree with you on is refinishing the case. i respect your decision not to do so, but i think old things like this being given a new life deserve to shine and look spectacular, rather than old and scratched up. keep up the amazing work! i find your videos truly inspiring :)
What an excellent job you did on this one, so many stressful twists and turns, really appreciate your tenacity and patience, thank you for the wonderful work as always
I love that you decided to cut the hand for the power reserve, that's exactly what "barn find" restoration should be about. If it's not a super rare or super valuable watch, modding it should be part of the fun.
Another great video. Given the time period that came out in, I'd have pulled out the geiger counter to check for radium lume. It wouldn't be much in this case, but I'd want to mask up if it was present and know I'd need to clean my work space down after.
I was absolutely convinced that hairspring was gonna snap. I’ve never worked on a watch but have experienced working with finicky delicate parts that go snap… Bravo!!
Hey Marshall, good job on the hairspring refurbishment. I've only started this hobby a few weeks ago and I've had to try doing the same work. I appreciate how delicate that spring is now. My success was not what you were able to achieve, but noticed my spring seems to be magnetized as well. So I'm going to try to take care of that issue first and see if I can get the watch working before going on with any further shaping the hairspring. Thoughts or comments from anyone would be nice. I did start with a Waltham Model 1908 pocketwatch purchased from a local jewelry shop and got +8 sec/day gain, 1.2 ms beat error and 287 degrees result and accepting that for now. I'm enjoying the hobby but really could use some more success for motivation, if you know what I mean.. Cheers from here!
Great video as always Marshall. I have an odd lug width watch too. 23mm in my case. I find that I can squeeze in a 24mm and it looks better than putting in a loose 22mm. 🙂
What a great repair Marshall.. pushing your limits and you succeeded...A little tense there at times but you plulled it off. Nice work once again...and a Great looking watch.. Kudos to you...!!
Trick for those of us who don't have a left-handed spring winder: wind the spring into one size smaller winder, then pop the spring into the correct sized winder as if it were the barrel. You have now flipped the spring into the correct orientation and can pop it into the barrel.
Me at 12:19am: OH BOY WATCH TIME
Same 😂
2:25am…time to dive in 😅
1:37am lol
2:29am for me
2:30 am let’s do this
All the time I’ve spent watching Marshall fix watches, I’ve never been so shocked as today. Cutting down the power reserve hand… that was a bold move. 😂
Now it doesn't reach the hash marks. I think they did this because when you look at it from the edge a little sideways, it's not very clear which line it's pointing at. The hash marks are on a bevel.
It bugs me more cause he cut it but not enough.
Spoiler alert lol
@@Wanted797 actually, weirdly, the radius if the power reserve is not circular to the base of the hand, so it doesn't reach in the middle now, but is over the line at the top and bottom. (45:55)
I think he picked a good middle ground.
@@insertphrasehere15 great observation! Thanks
So far I have not seen any limits. Yes hair spring repair requires extreme skill, but I have watched your videos and nothing has stopped you, except maybe the self winder with the updide down wheel, that you eventually fixed. You fixed things that Rolex themselves would not touch, you fixed rusted watches with diamonds missing that you discovered accidentally in sourcing spare parts.
I am simply amazed by how you reassemble a jigsaw of liny bits into a working watch.
The hairspring repair was a new threshold for you. Really fun to see.
fun your say? seeing how bent and mis-aligned it was i bet Marshall (any amount) was not thinking "fun", myself seeing the bend was thinking "no way is this NOT going to break" but once again Marshall shows us all what can be done with care and patience.
I thought a new one would've been purchased, great to see that repaired!
Came here to say that. Marshall is on his next level shit rnm
i’m shocked that he didn’t have a tool for that…
Great repair once again Martin!
At 22:59, it looks like there's a chunk of the old main spring left in the barrel? There's something slightly irregular around the edges. Usually the barrel looks like it's smooth down from the top edges, there's a ledge this time. This might also be why the new mainspring went flying, because it caught on that ledge and you couln't get it in.
I came here to say this too.
That's actually a detached bridle, and it should be in there if he's reusing the original mainspring. If you pause at 12:58 you can see the original mainspring has a tail on it like a manual-wind mainspring, which grabs onto a hook on the detached bridle. The replacement mainspring has an attached bridle, so the detached bridle should be taken out.
@@peterscherff1357 ditto!
Saw that too.
Does the bridle mean he doesn't need braking grease?
I love how you explain and guide us along in every single project you've done. You've got me into watch revival and even constructing my own custom watches. Thanks Marshall!
Marshall, We know you let that main spring fly just so you could use your winder and hear that spring winder clunk. 😁
...and wind it the wrong way first time, to hear the 'clunk' not once, but twice!
Did I miss the braking grease application?
It looked to me like that was still a piece of the old mainspring in the barrel.
@@DragonHide94 me too... now I kept thinking... he must have seen it...
Welp, you really really did it. You inspired me to get into watches, and start watch repair as a hobby. I have most of a basic set of tools, got my first $15 "beater" watch to practice disassemby/assembly, and bought a couple of "project" watches. I bought a decent one to wear around. And this week, I successfully did a complete disassembly/assembly of my first watch! Yay! I only broke one thing! Dang it! 😆 It was the seconds wheel shaft, I got confused about the disassembly order and took off the cannon pinion without removing the wheels for the hands. Oops. Won't make that mistake again.
It's EXTREMELY fun. Thanks so much for the excellent videos, and the encouragement to get into it.
As a Watchmaker myself, it was like watching a murder mystery, and seeing all the clues come together when you were working on that hairspring.. it was like I was sitting on pins and needles. Good job! Also, when you lost that screw, I could relate to the frustration of trying to find it. Luckily it wasn’t too much of an issue. Great job on my watch!
Hi Mark! Just looked at your site... I quite like pocket knives, and have about 15, but am just curious to know how many you have in your collection!! Greetings from UK 😊
@@federicoprice2687 at one time I had about 500 of them. But now I have about 40.
When I saw you putting the main spring back in, correct me if I'm wrong, it looked like part of the original main spring was still in there.
I thought I saw something too.
I was going to say the same thing. It definitely looked like a piece of main spring was still around the outside of the barrel and might even have been why he had trouble getting it in the barrel. I'm interested to see if it's something we don't know about or something he might've missed.
I came here to say that too. I was like "please notice it! Nooooo!".
Also no grease in to the barrel?
If you look at 22:59 you can definitely tell there's still a piece of the old mainspring left left in the barrel. Outstanding video, got to love those dulcet tones of his narration.
Yeah, definitely a bit of the old spring still in there. I was screaming at the screen. 😅
Marshall I really enjoy watching your channel, on days when I have the oppurtunity for some R&R I will watch your channel all day. My mom always gave watches as gifts, thus watches carry special memories.
Thanks Kelly
I have not seen your supervisor before. LOVE IT!
Not sure how thorough the level of Supervision was if I'm honest, a cat on the other hand, would have settled down for a long hard look and cleared any stray screws off the table immediately.
When you removed the existing mainspring, you left the automatic bridle inside. Even while reinstalling the new mainspring, in the video, we can clearly see something still inside the barrel (23:05 for example, or 24:02). I find it hard to believe you didn't see it, so I'm probably missing something here. Can you elaborate on why please ?
Also I don't understand why you didn't remove the hairspring from the balance in order to straighten it. You are not working on a flat surface, doesn't it make it a lot harder to work on ?
Marshal mentioned in another comment that the curved blued steel piece along the inner surface of the outer wall is a "braking spring". I'm guessing he didn't remove or replace it because there's nothing wrong with it. Its function is to hold the outer surface of the mainspring motionless unless the torque gets too high (due to mainspring being fully wound), in which case it slips just enough to relieve the excess tension, thus preventing auto-winding from breaking the mainspring. That's also why Marshall didn't use braking grease as he normally does: watches with a braking spring don't use braking grease.
I recently discovered this channel, and I am absolutely blown away by Marshall’s expertise in restoring vintage watches.
This particular episode took things up a whole new level.
I have been a fan of luxury watches for my entire life , but never a collector of vintage watches, … until now.
My Daughter bought me a Lucien Piccard 12761 with a Japan battery powered movement 8 years ago. It's a nice Rose Gold watch she bought at Golfsmith at Christmas time. She also just got back from Europe where she stopped in Geneva Switzerland and bought me a Hanowa GH-00018 Gold watch with a green dial made by a family owned watch company in Geneva. I love micro brand watches. The Orient watch company uses a lot of 17mm straps. I have two automatic Orient Bambino watches. A 41mm and 40mm . I didn't realize Lucien Piccard made automatic watches this old. Great video. I'm new to your channel.
Dude....that spring restoration. So simple in concept, but that just SCREAMS to me that it's one of those things that seems simple and just NEVER goes the way you think it would. Well freaking done, there's no way I could have done something like that!
This is one of my favorite watches you have repaired. Beautiful dial! And I also think the power reserve is a cool complication. Nice job saving it for someone to wear.
These videos are mesmerising and as someone who hasn’t a clue, I will never know how on earth you remember where all that goes back 😄. Years of repetition I guess, but it’s still impressive and fascinating to watch such great workmanship.
What a beautiful watch, I never realised that a power indicator was not a new thing!! Your skill with the hair spring is second to none, there is no way that I would ever have attempted it and even after watching you do it I still would have looked for a replacement spring. A superb restoration.
Marshall, it's always a pleasure watching you at work. How you remember where everything goes is impressive.
Wow! The way you adjusted and repaired that hair spring on the balance was absolutely unbelievable 😳 🤯 excellent work 👏 such a beautiful watch with the power reserve in a symmetrical place on the dial which is a rare thing as its usually off centre or on the case back. Just phenomenal! 😊
Outstanding video and repair. I always marvel at your surgical like repair. If I was not retired having a watch that shows it energy level would be a plus for me. I was a hands on type manger and this would have been a welcome addition. Being retired, I still do like that sort of ability. Parts flying off the bench are a given in any type repair. I applaud your designed magnet ruler to locate minute parts.
Marshall, couple things... I have heard you say you receive feedback that some are not that interested in watchmaking, though they love the videos. That is definitely me. I find your production outstanding, your voiceover work is unparalleled (grunts as you open a stuck case), and your voice is smooth and comforting. I also appreciate that you don't cut in to throw to some ad from squarespace or whatever. Definitely keeps continuity. The fact you mention Patrion in your videos is fine, as it is unobtrusive, and that you sell starter kits is really nice actually, and takes away nothing from the channel. I even find myself hoping to see a few watches for sale on your channel, because they are now serviced and many are just sexy timepieces. I wish you all the success you can handle! Also... for those who can't join a monthly pay service, is there a way to send you $20 or something directly? Venmo or something like that?
Me at 6am, not being able to sleep the whole night. This channel has become my insomnia relief.
Such a pretty watch! and might i add very brave of you just fixing the bent spring instead of just getting a donor one. and the 46 mins flew by watching this.
Thank you for restoring this watch :D i enjoyed it all the way from The Netherlands
1:33am here in Philadelphia. This is what I get for checking TH-cam after a late night fitness ride. Less sleep than I was already going to get for me, haha.
Same in DC
Same except it's 2:30 here now, shouldn't have checked yt before bed. lol.
Same here. Also in Philly. Except for the late night ride. 😂
Hey -- this video, more than any other, makes me want to get into this hobby. Seeing things go sideways for you and watching you recover lends some confidence that, if I'm patient and just work my way through the unexpected, this is possible. Thanks for showing us a build that went a little sideways!
At the end you can see that the power reserve indicator hand was long because the scale is not symmetrical, now it's been cut it will be way too short at the zero power end of the scale.
Actually, at zero power it will be the same as at full power. At 44:55 in the video you can see that after trimming, the hand is short right at mid-power or 18 on the dial. However, at 3:08 in the video, you can see that if Marshall had not trimmed it, it would have been long at 18 and really long at the ends. Perhaps he could have struck a compromise, a little long on the ends and a little short in the middle, but I think he achieved a good look with where he cut it.
I don't see how anybody can critically comment on this man's work if one has not done the work.
@@VisionCommunications Same for people praising the work then ? Have you called any of them out ?
That will be corrected by heat expansion
I am just watching through your back-catalog of repairs and I have to say you did some great work on that hair-spring at 16:25, I thought that was toast for sure. Fantastic work and one of the main reasons I subbed to your channel. I also like that you kept the bloopers in as well ;)
I believe that you left a portion of the old main spring in the barrel. That may be why the new main spring did not seat well.
also, did I miss adding any breaking grease? it is an automatic...
I noticed this too. That's why I think he was having issues with the mainspring and the arbor not fitting correctly. I was screaming at the screen, "NOO!!! There's some bits still in there! You were the chosen one!!" 🤣
I noticed the apparent braking grease omission too.
Another commenter said it's a detached bridle, which the old mainspring attaches to with a small hook on the end. The new one has an attached bridle (the double bit at the end) and therefore the old one should be removed. A lot of people seem to have noticed this too!
I bought a cheap hundred dollar watch that had auto wind on it. I just wear it at work, and I am an aircraft mechanic so it’s gonna get banged up well it quit working, the auto Wind weight mechanism came unscrewed. It was rattling. So I removed the back, carefully screwed it back on and adjusted the time to slow it down a little bit is running a little too fast, but I didn’t move it very much because you said it takes very little adjustment I want to thank you for your videos to give me the confidence to repair my own watch.
So... the time this dropped is timely for me to fall asleep to the dulcet tones of the man, the myth, the legend... Marshall the watch man.
Handling that hairspring STRESSED me out at 36:00
The most engaging and entertaining voice on TH-cam…😊👍
I agree with you the power indicator looks better now. Lovely restoration
Did you leave the outer loop of the old mainspring in the barrel? Check out 22:56, or is it a slip ring.
It's a "braking spring" or "detached bridle"; but yes, one could also call it a "slip ring", as it allows the mainspring to slip a bit if it gets too tight, to avoid breakage. That's also why he doesn't use braking grease: not needed.
Thanks!
20:35 BRO!!! There was no way I thought anyone could have fixed that bend! But YOU did it! That Sir was Extremely cool to watch! (Excuse the pun lol) 😮😅
Very very impressive. When I saw that hairspring bent like that, I really thought the next move was going to be replacing the hairspring, but you were able to bend it back to the point where it looked very promising! Great job on that!
Power reserve is right up there with GMT as my favorite complication. Neither is particularly useful, but since watches are unnecessary, I've decided to simply embrace that which I love.
Now that I think about it, I think the only GMT with power reserve is a spring drive Grand Seiko.
If you want a seiko with gmt and power reserve there are a couple in the presage collection too, with normal movements more affordable than spring drive; and in the Seiko prospex with spring drive, aslo more affordable than Grand Seiko ;)
well there is also watches like my seiko landmaster sbdb015
I find these videos and the sound of your voice so soothing that I listen to these as I go to sleep, I have learned so much about watch restoration that I want to try it my self soon, I would like to get your tool kit to start out, keep making this great content
love how he makes it sound like he is talking while recording and not adding voice over later😂
These videos would be many hours long and tedious if he did not. I'm curious to know just how much straight time he has in these builds, not including waiting for ordered parts. I have no idea but I'm gonna guess 5-6 hours to take down and reassemble. Marshall does a good job in telescoping the process to make watchable (no pun intended) videos. I think not enough is said about his videographic skills. Between the narration, setting up the cameras, and editing it all together. Marshall may have mote time in producing the video than in the actual watch build. I really appreciate what this guy is doing.
Years of recorded game broadcast commentary and he has it down!
@@mindeloman It's less so that he edits it, and more that he scripts it as if the narration was live. He doesn't say, "And here's where I did X" he says "Alright now I'm going to try doing X".
@@irreleverent I don't think it's scripting. It's more like a sportscaster doing a play by play.
Oh my god I just realize that this is Marshall Sutcliffe from Limited Resources and MTG and my mind is blown, I always thought wristwatch revival had a similar voice and the same name and always thought what a coincidence! Feels like two worlds just collided. Super awesome videos!
One thing I'd like to tell you.. I've watched (ha) so SO many of your videos and I thank you for sharing your love for this hobby, however.. you generally explain the movement and the procedure you are performing basically the same every video. Your stories are always different and fun and add to the video, you have a great story telling voice, however.. EVERY time you post a video and I do watch at regular speed, absolutely, I must, anyway I listen to every word you have to say with pointed ears. Thank you for being who you are and sharing this passion with us. I have steady hands (am a carpenter by trade well and mechanic) and I'd LOVE to get into this micro-hobby, but I wear reading glasses and am just afraid it would be SO difficult to see these TEENY TINY screws and remember where they all go!! Anyway, thank you again for the wonderful content!!
I was thinking about this just yesterday. As someone who makes videos too I do find myself mixing it up a bit, but many successful shows stick to the same format and script. Don't worry about your eyes, we do everything using magnification, the fact you're a practical person who works with their hands is a great start. I was a cabinet maker before watchmaking, you'd be surprised how much translates. Cheers mate!
The screws can be intimidating for new hobbyists, particularly because there may be very similar looking screws that aren't really interchangeable. One strategy for the screws is to screw as many as possible back into their holes as you disassemble and leave them in during cleaning. Another strategy is to get a small parts storage box with many compartments, and as you remove screws you put them in a numbered compartment and make a note. For example if you remove the barrel bridge screws and put them in compartment #13 you'd make a note "13 - barrel bridge". If the screws look good you don't really have to clean them, and otherwise a quick shake in a solvent may be enough. If you work with a movement more you'll get to know its screws, and you can clean them along with the other parts.
Maybe you won't take up the hobby yourself, and that would be fine of course. I wasn't planning to take it up myself, but in retrospect, the fact that I was fascinated & kept watching was a pretty strong sign that I actually would. It might be a good idea to start putting money aside for tools... 😆
@@vonkruel Good strategies! With a manual wind no date movement it looks impossible to keep track of at first, but splitting the parts into 3 groups is enough to keep track of the screws. You very soon get to know the differences.
I wear readers as well but magnification from the loupe and a microscope set up for movement service my vision isn’t an issue.
@@rehajm yep that will work but i have several other barriers
Fingers of Butter
Memory of sieve
Eye of Bat
shakes of hands that can turn milk into child's drink
but the worse would be
children with inquisition
This is so great to see since I have the same movement in my great-grandfather's Elco watch. I saw the same placement for the power reserve and immediately suspected it was the same A. Schild 1382 movement. Very happy to have this video I can use as a tutorial once I am ready to start working on it. Thanks Marshall!
I'm confused about what was the thing you left inside the main spring barrel before installing the new spring. It almost looked like a piece of the old spring to me but I think you'd notice and remove it if that was the case. And you also didn't apply any braking grease so I guess it was supposed to be there?
The braking spring takes the place of braking grease.
Marshall,
I really appreciate all the videos you post. You have a knack at providing educational content while keeping it light and entertaining. Thank you for providing hours of amazing videos!
0:23:25 Is there still part of the old spring in the barrel here? Or is that something else related to if being an automatic movement?
Love these videos. Keep up the amazing work!
Nope, separate part; allows slipping to prevent mainspring from breaking if over-wound.
I loved the info on the hair spring repair! I will say I was surprised you didn't refresh the case any with a polish or a brushed finish but i love watching your videos! Ill eventually take a swing at it myself for sure
6:20am in the UK when this was released and I’m watching it avidly 😂
Shows how well you do things Marshall; I should be getting ready to go to the gym 😅
PS. 400 views in the first 5 minutes. Nice. Nice.
I’m going to guess that you used up all of your patience with the hairspring and then had to tackle the mainspring and screws. I am still in awe of your hairspring restoration! SO much patience.
At 11:15 that wsa your 'born to fly' spring there wasn't it? 🙃 As you say at the end of the video that it didn't 'fly' this time.
By the way I didn't see you apply any grease inside the barrel of the main spring to make it easier to 'glide' when wound up to the maximum.
Braking grease was not needed due to the presence of a braking spring, which you can see at 22:56 .
Nice work as always, Marshall. The scratches on the original and replacement plates, and in an A. Schild movement I have, suggest that the AS movements had soft metal. Or that the plates were banging around together in a box at the factory
Looking carefully at the barrel, it looks to me that it has the remains of some of the old mainspring still in it and when you first attempted to insert the new one it caught on it. Or perhaps it is supposed to have a metal ring inside the barrel like that.
I was thinking of that. On the other hand, perhaps because Marshall has no luxury of high magnification at all times, it was literally too small to notice. The lack of braking grease is bothering me. - Dang, his videos are better than some top thrillers.
Braking spring.
Wow, there are awesome complications on a watch like this one with the power reserve measurement , and repairs that can also have complications in fixing it like the hair spring. Thanks for taking us on this watch journey to another working masterpiece.
You sir, are a gem. Thank you for your uploads 🙏🏼
I've been watching your channel for years and now I think I'm ready to try my hand at watch making. I'll get some gear from your site in the near future! Thanks for your inspiration.
You left part of the old mainspring in the barrel, please take another close look at the footage
that's why the new didn't fit the first time
No, that's a "braking spring", not part of the mainspring.
Good restoration. Nice time piece. Some high end vintage watches have 17mm straps. I’ve noticed 17mm straps are more expensive than other sizes, as a result.
For some reason I’ve got Weird Al in my head singing “I got it… on eBay!”
To the tune of "I want it that way"?
Great video and a lovely watch! Just a couple of comments from the peanut gallery...
Knowing something about spring metal, I'd question the wisdom of drawing the spring through your tweezers like that. It might have been better to use your tweezers like pliers, to grab a corner and gently squeeze, so that you're only applying stress where needed. You can see if you look closely that you actually added small localized bends in your process and then had to work them out. In doing so, that put added strain into the spring and probably shortened the remaining life. "De Minimus" is usually the advised rule for stuff like this: rough forming, and then center out, rather than outside in.
As for stuff flying off the bench, that's what happens to me when I get overconfident and start working too quickly. I also learned to work further on the bench and to have something of a backstop (maybe felt covered to prevent things from rebounding off it) to try to keep things from ending up on the floor. You can't pick up non-magnetic parts with a magnetic, after all. When I have to resort to a hands-and-knees search, I use a very bright flashlight for maximum contrast. I found it makes it much easier to find things.
Genuinely shocked you cut that arm! I agree it didn't look right, but Marshall modifying something original?!
Bold move Cotton!
At the end you see why it was originally longer. The arc of the indicator isn't the same radius or curvature as the sweep of the hand, so the hand looks too short at the midpoint. Oh well.
Weirdly drawn arc then
First time I've decided to watch a video on watch repair, and it was well versed, informative, and relatively entertaining at the same time.
I know it's not the point, but I am left wondering what the restored watch's value is.
Hi Marshall, Just wated to say that watching and listening to you demonstrating your skills and chatting about the craft is one of the most relaxing, and soothing ways of passing an hour... so enjoyable !
"3 minutes ago" YIPPEE!
Im not into collecting watches but enjoy watching the mechanical repair! Great videos before bed
As you installed the new mainspring-there was a part of the old one still in there.
That's such a cool watch. I hate to admit that I don't usually watch the videos without skipping some reassembly bits, but this one somehow kept my attention beginning to end. Maybe because it was so unique.
This was one of your best, Marshall. Love this little oddball, and love the dedication you put into restoring it. That hairspring repair was incredible to watch.
I really love this series of movements. I recently repaired an Aschild 1361 (the non wind indicator version of this movement) and it was a really fun to work on. Really unique bi-directional automatic winding works. I love the fact that it has the same style pinon and teeth as the sliding clutch.
As I get ducked deeper and deeper into the ability of watches and watch collecting and restoration, I hear your name and channel come up more and more so I would say you are having a wonder effect on the community with your "hobby". Congratulations!
I can see why the power dial was so long. At 45:54, the dial is short of touching the 18 mark, but when he fully winds the watch it goes through the 36 mark. They made it long so it would go through all the power marks across the whole range.
What a great complication. I never knew that there was a power reserve indicator. What a great idea.
Re stuff flying off the bench, we have a retired horologist in a small town nearby who still does watch maintenance as a hobby/part time job, and he has a sort of cloth apron that he wears that he attaches under the work bench that acts like a kind of safety net. Seemed like a good idea when I saw it.
Another mission complete! Great job Marshall. It's about time!! Really, it's all about time !!
I did not think repairing that hairspring would be possible - you never cease to amaze!
Although it's frustrating, I love how you show your off days and not just highly edited "perfection". Love what you do, keep em coming.
This is my kind of vintage watch. Not pretentious , beautiful styling and understated. I have several in this period and style, a Banner and a Welsbro. Great video.
I'm at the part where you just installed the barrel spring. Sometimes you put braking fluid for the spring to keep from spinning but I guess this time around it wasn't needed or shown but it did look to me that there was a piece of the barrel spring still in the barrel? Or is that another piece that serves the same function as the braking fluid?
The latter: it's a "detached bridle", aka "braking spring", which serves the same purpose as braking grease. It's not used in modern watches, but is common in older ones.
@RobbieHatley thanks for the response. He usually responds when he can but the channels grown so big that he can only do so much.
I enjoy learning about anything and everything! And as a mechanic, this stuff intrigued me so much! I also prefer machining channels as well! I may in the future pick this up as a hobby as well! Super detailed puzzles and I love them!
Exiting to watch you while restoring that watch. My favourite noise is the click when you drop the lid of one of the lubricant pots. Short,hard and dry click. 😊
Another awesome video! So fun to watch and see you do this with such care and precision! Keep em coming!
Just watched the Clickspring video on making springs, and this pops up! Not sure how I missed this video, though I'm excited to watch you work again, Marshall ( posting this before watching your video :D ) Thanks for the content as always
I have a Rolex date just that just stopped working and I have a feeling my main spring is broken or something along the lines of what happened to this watch. I’m scared to send it to watch maker around me and get it back in worse shape maybe. On the hunt for a good watchmaker to repair my beloved watch. Keep up the good work I love these videos dearly.
Be careful! Marshall has mentioned that scammers have tried to impersonate him and get people to send them their watch. I wouldn’t send your watch to anyone who reaches out to you via TH-cam.
22:30 -ish for a magnet 'sweeper', getting a magnetic needle finder from a sewing / cloth store works well, too...
I do love your videos, making me feel like learning how to "revive" old timepieces. You did mention eBay and wanted to ask you if it is actually safe to believe the sellers claims for them.
I have returned items listed as "spares" and "no returns" in the past, only if they said something false in the description of course, or if one of the images was misleading. For example, I had a watch for repair that came without the crown. The crown was there in the images and there was nothing about it not being there anymore in the desc, so I was able to return it easily. Ebay is very safe for buyers. Less so for sellers though...
It's a joy to see the work you do. Today the hairspring was just a hair riser. At 22:56, isn't there some main spring left on the barrel? The reason for the new spring not seating correctly and jumping? Thanks for sharing such a delicate work, you make it seem very easy.
Yes, the braking spring was interfering with the mainspring seating the first two tries. But he was also trying to install it upside-down which wouldn't have worked anyway. Finally he got both issues sorted and the installation worked.
you have out-done yourself yet again! that hair spring straightening was over the top. the only thing i may disagree with you on is refinishing the case. i respect your decision not to do so, but i think old things like this being given a new life deserve to shine and look spectacular, rather than old and scratched up. keep up the amazing work! i find your videos truly inspiring :)
What an excellent job you did on this one, so many stressful twists and turns, really appreciate your tenacity and patience, thank you for the wonderful work as always
I really like the power meter . Outstanding spring work Boss, I was so sure that last but was broken. 🙏
Always a pleasure to watch you "playing" with so many small things !!! Astonishing !!!
I love that you decided to cut the hand for the power reserve, that's exactly what "barn find" restoration should be about. If it's not a super rare or super valuable watch, modding it should be part of the fun.
Another great video. Given the time period that came out in, I'd have pulled out the geiger counter to check for radium lume. It wouldn't be much in this case, but I'd want to mask up if it was present and know I'd need to clean my work space down after.
I’m the same with power reserve. I love seeing how much power I have in the watch still
22:58 there is a piece of the old main spring left in the case
I was absolutely convinced that hairspring was gonna snap.
I’ve never worked on a watch but have experienced working with finicky delicate parts that go snap…
Bravo!!
Hey Marshall, good job on the hairspring refurbishment. I've only started this hobby a few weeks ago and I've had to try doing the same work. I appreciate how delicate that spring is now. My success was not what you were able to achieve, but noticed my spring seems to be magnetized as well. So I'm going to try to take care of that issue first and see if I can get the watch working before going on with any further shaping the hairspring. Thoughts or comments from anyone would be nice. I did start with a Waltham Model 1908 pocketwatch purchased from a local jewelry shop and got +8 sec/day gain, 1.2 ms beat error and 287 degrees result and accepting that for now. I'm enjoying the hobby but really could use some more success for motivation, if you know what I mean.. Cheers from here!
Great video as always Marshall. I have an odd lug width watch too. 23mm in my case. I find that I can squeeze in a 24mm and it looks better than putting in a loose 22mm. 🙂
What a great repair Marshall.. pushing your limits and you succeeded...A little tense there at times but you plulled it off. Nice work once again...and a Great looking watch.. Kudos to you...!!