Customer Forced to Fill Water Well in with Concrete. Reverse Trimmy Method. Well Abandonment
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In this video I take you along with us as we abandon a old water well. Being too close to the new septic system, the customer was forced to drill a new well & fill in the old well with cement.
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As an English person, I love the way you say SEEment.
Americans made cement, so we can call it whatevrr you want
@@dac518 WRONG
@@morton228 americans are always right
Not as cool as “Al U men tium” but very good. You should come to the southern US and we can teach you lots of words and even how to squeal like a pig. 😂
As an American, thank you for Triumph motorcycles and Kate Beckinsale.
I'm really impressed with the way you clean up the job site, and leave it in the condition you found it. It's a darn shame the knuckle head concrete delivery man wasn't on the same page.
Walk a Mile in his Shoes .
@@devilselbow Did you even watch the video? The complaint was not about cleaning the truck, it was about how the driver did not use the boards they laid and instead made ruts all over the yard.
@@devilselbow they had a ready made path to the well for the truck who instead went and got stuck in the dirt
@@devilselbow If you deliver concrete I'd hope you know the importance of laying out a path and following it so you don't squash the homeowner's lawn.
Much better than most crete drivers.
dang that is close to the house, very cool seeing how old infrastructure is properly abandoned., you hear stories where someone is injured by an abandoned well,
Now you just have to find a cement company that has the same care and professionalism that ya'll have.
I have a feeling there isn't one that exists in the US.
Find one that films youtube video, it help boost their professionalism usually...
I didn't ask the question on how to abandon a well. You learn something everyday. Worth a subscribe
Same thing happened to my mother. When the inspectors for the county inspected her new well they said it was too close to the house, by less than a foot. Had perfect water, 8 gpm.,
moved over and drilled again, got half as much water, and it gets muddy. The only thing I enjoyed, as the co. man leaned over to look down the well, his new Ray Ban aviator sunglasses fell out of his pocket and down with the concrete they went.
I call BS. Who drills a new well and not know the regulations? Also unlikely to produce half the volume. Possible, but wicked unlikely. So stop lying. Less than a foot a person seeks a variance, and usually receives it.
@@Look_What_I_Did Not everyone doe their job properly. I've worked behind some utter morons!
This is why I love the internet. I enjoyed learning something interesting that I never even knew I wanted to know about. 👍
I had a shallow well that went dry. Part of the job for the new deep well was to fill in the old shallow one. My well driller couldn't find the old well. He followed the water line as far as he could, but it disappeared somewhere underground, and he didn't want to tear up the yard looking for it. I eventually found it, it was right underneath a hand pump in the front yard. We thought it was decorative, but it was the real thing. Later on I found a bunch of half inch holes scattered over the front yard that were all old wells. The neighbor came over and told me the former owner would routinely pull up the point and sink it in another area of the yard, often only going down 10-15 feet. As the area got developed, all the shallow wells eventually went dry. My well driller never came back to fill in any if the holes.
You should, having holes in the ground like that provide really quick pathways for contaminants to get into the ground water.
Hi Philip, I’m enjoying watching your well content. But I now have a bone to pick with you.
As a concrete driver, the biggest term I hear constantly being misused is the term ‘cement’. Cement is the limestone powder that is mixed with sand, aggregate and water, and others to make concrete.
The words concrete and cement are not interchangeable!
That would be the equivalent of calling cake/pancake batter as flour!
Kinda like a loaf of flour.
C-ment??? C-Oncrete.
Oddly enough, the dry bulk semi tractor and trailor that delivers that grey powder ingredient to the batch plant is called a cement truck. 😂
I agree - I do work at a cement factory. Producing literally shiploads of that stuff. And it's not just a grey powder. There are many types, all depending on what you want to do.
@@lownslowav8r Semen?
That was nice of you to tell US ALL that fact. Thank you too
I really love your attention to the customer's property. Thanks for sharing your work and expertise.
I learn more from youtube than anywhere else anymore. I'm definitely using this trick from here on out. We've used old hammer drills to shake the pipe. Sawzalls with wood attached tona blade then a concrete vibrator from harbor freight, and it always takes forever to get the concrete to drop. Some pvc pipe and problem solved 👌🏽 too damn easy to not have thought of it before! We use the same blue barrels, though. We usually cut them down when the concrete dries. Thanks. Have a good one 👍🏽
I love the way you clean up behind yourself. Very professional!.
I have no idea why this was recommended for me but it was very interesting.
Love the red, white and blue buckets.
I learn something new ! Thank you
Good work ethic for your clean up on jobs.
I totally dug watching this video. Well oiled machine on how that works. Thanks for sharing 😊
Love it when I learn something new thank you.😎
Nicely done. Regulations are different in different states. In Wisconsin, this method is not allowed. We can do this with different grout and use a tremie to pump the grout through the pipe instead of flowing it into the well like this. Also the tremie has to be removed. It cannot remain in the well. For most residential wells we are using bentonite chips to fill the well and put a cement plug at the top.
yup, bentonite chips capped with a foot or two of concrete is my preferred choice. I hated doing the portand cement method.
That was very interesting. In my 40 years in this field, I have never heard of reverse trimmy. I have always pumped grout into the trimmy. Great idea and defiantly a time saver. But I don't think Florida Water Management would go for that.
It is TREMIE, not "Trimmy". It is a man's name, the guy who invented the Tremie tube.
What ever dude, you got me good.@@curlydave7689
Florida could care less what happens with old wells. My property in FLA has like 12 water wells on it. None of them were ever permitted, nor have been cemented in. Some are probably 100 years old. I just picked the deepest one close to where I built my home to throw a submersible in to supply my home with water. I have a few more good ones if the casing ever fails in the current one I am using. Heck you can still have a drill rig come to your property and drill a unpermitted "weekend special" if you know who to call.
@@bobbysmith5642 I don't know which district you are in, but in the St. Johns and Southwest districts they are pretty strict. Drilling a unpermitted well will lead to stiff penalty's for the driller. Also those open wells around you are a source of contamination for you.
@@drob5664 SW FLA... The county even asked where my water was coming from for the new building. I told them that I have like 12 wells to choose from. They didn't seem surprised, nor did they care. They had no record of any of them.
That was interesting, and I had no idea of such a process. Clever. Thank you for showing this.
Have you ever tried on of the "bigfoot" sono tube bases as a funnel? We use them on the top of sono tubes all the time to shoot the concrete in. Doesn't leave the extra that you have in the bottom of the barrel. Love watching your videos, great balance of explaining everything and showing the process.
Cool. Great idea.
Never seen this done before… cool
Beautiful !
Great video I learned something new today.
The well digger; another unsung hero of modern times.
Well, just for the record, we love the content, and at the same time, we know you have a "day job" .
Great topic. I really did not know there was a specific system to abandon a well....
Never seen this procedure.
Thanks
Great job sir! Like it.
I have no idea how I found your channel but it's so interesting. Just watched the drill truck video and it's an amazing machine!
That has got to suck paying to get that drilled only to have to pay to fill it with cement and repeat the process all over again lol.
Thanks, very informative.
FYI the term, although pronounced trimmy, is spelled tremie.
In major concrete projects like footings the use of the pipe is reversed. A large pipe is set in the hole and the concrete is poured inside of it. That pipe however is slowly raised as the concrete is placed rather than being left in place.
oh that make sense, the French word "trémie" means "funnel" in an industrial context (in particular in the concrete world, but also the powder world, for example the thing that loads grains in the trucks at the bottom of grain silos). I suppose the meaning got slightly changed to mean the dumping pipe below the funnel when crossing the language barrier.
@@nraynaud Yep. This world has a long history of moving words between languages and butchering the spelling. That's how the US started calling the German immigrants in Pennsylvania the "Pennsylvania Dutch".
Every one has their ways of doing things.
Interesting. Good quality work
Great video. Lots of useful information for folks as well.
Now that's pretty cool
Awesome thanks for the video
Thanks!
Great job
That's one of the darndest thing I've ever seen. Kool beans.
Very educational vid , keep up yhe good work 👍🇺🇸
Great Job, Thanx
Great work brother!
Great video.
Very good video. love how you explain things to us that don't work in your industry.
Great to learn something new. My local township is coming through with public water and I was curious what I should do with the current drilled well
Great work ethics
Love your channel. Found it about a month ago when I wanted to learn more about my well system. A lot of what you do is different than what they do up here in Wisconsin, but it's still fun to watch and learn. As for the last bit of your video, family first of course!
Absolutely! Taking them to the fair today!
I learn a lot from your videos. I hope to see more from you soon. Thanks for all you do ❤
Felton bros really had their head up their arse driving the cement truck all over the lawn without coordinating
I appreciate your hard work and taking the time to explain the operation. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I was really waiting for the truck
Love seeing the videos and love the professionalism as well as helping people such as DIY people. Keep up the good work.
Thanks
You're lucky to be able to do this, most states require by law that it is pumped from bottom to top and that costs a small fortune... almost as much as drilling the well to begin with
Nice job. 👍🍺
I never knew there was such a process let alone what it's called; Now I do. Thank you for the education.
Thank you for the great info. Also thank you for the parts I ordered from you! I haven't been able to drop the pump in yet but thank you so much for the awesome service! 🤘
OUTSTANDING : o ......
Interesting
Interesting action for a well being to close to the septic system. I understand why. Poor planning suspect.
Cement mix. Flowable fill? In Michigan we can order a flowable fill,, sand crushed as and 1/2 bag or 1 bag cement. Perfect for infilling abandoned tanks, etc. Flows like heavy cream,, sets to a firm sand sort of feel.
Good vid ! very good info. Now I’m a Pro ! 😂.
could you use a coiled pipe to get the water out? so that it's even faster than assembling segments of hard pipe?
Sorry, Cement is the powder glue you add to sand and gravel to make Concrete
interesting, my well driller used bentonite to close up my old well.
Put a U-bent rebar into the buckets of concrete to make an anchor for small tents and sunshades.
Why waste a good well that can be used for other purposes, like watering lawns, washing down cars or lawn and farm equipment. It could be labeled as non potable water, or was the actual water even tested for quality? t could still be pure enough to drink. Where I used to live the requirement was 50 ft from septic systems. It took 30 some odd years for bacteria to finally show up and then we just installed a UV purification system in our home. It served the next homeowner until they installed a well closer to the home to try and clear up the sulphur smell. I can't see filling in a good well after spending all that money to put it in.
Sometimes you just cut your losses. If you account for the risks of using grey water in a home environment they're many many times over the cost that was sunk into that well.
Chances are, you can use potable water from the good well for all purposes. Both wells tap into the same water source anyway. My logic... If you have one hose bib (source) and two hoses (method); would you save and use both? Seperate purposes same source/method. Does seem like such a wasted effort. Same logic that tends to make government programs last longer than they are useful.
8:50 Catch all the heavy stuff in the bucket ? Sounds like a Gold Miner 😂😂
Hell of a foundation pile!😂
Tremie pipe . Used in concrete foundation piling .
I worked in the well service 30 years ago. In Nebraska the abandoned well can be filled with gravel and the top 20’ must be sealed bentinite. Or concrete Most old wells are a tube well 2” that have a air motor and pump rod cylinder and leather cups or neoprene
I abandoned two wells inside of a old missile Silo from the 60s each well took 22 cement trucks full of neet cement pressure pumped from bottom up.They did allow the trim pipe to stay in well.
Question, I just finished watching all your well related content videos. (Thumbs up on all)
I now know you shouldn’t mess with the factory settings on the springs of the pressure switch BUT-- I have..
Because the switch I bought gave too high pressure. So -- I messed with the factory settings to achieve what I wanted.
Please explain how the springs are set and particularly, what is the purpose of the smaller of the two springs.
Pretty neat!! Did you think about using pipe with bell ends? Might have been better than couplings
He could use the old well for geothermal.
Too close to house in my county. And may have been too close to septic.
In Maine wee use steal casing an black tubing on pump and we put a metal cap on we don't cement them
I've seen Haliburton Co.. do this with a pumper truck and a support truck and about five guys. They got to the well about 10 AM and were leaving before 11.
Seems to me the house owner is missing a trick here...
They have a perfectly usable shaft whixh could be used for a ground source heat pump, and yet you're filling it it with concrete.
Also odd that the well is apparently not authorized for lawn watering where proximity to the house would be irrelevant. I bought a home with a freshly drilled "compliance well" (the water tested fine fifty years after it was drilled) installed but not connected. That is now my backup well in case of first well failure. Me being me I keep spare well pumps on small skids I made ready to attach to my steel post mount (I'm lazy and like to have spare everything bought opportunistically) and can also use them on the backup well thanks to farm grade garden hose and fittings.
In our county the geothermal well is under similar location constraints as a water well. So we have to site it minimum disances from property line. structures, septic tanks, drain field and water well. Hard sometimes. The house in the vid would have been too close to the abandoned bore to use for geothermal in my county.
Good explanation! It is actually a Tremie pipe rather then a Trimmy pipe.
I enjoy your work and learn a lot of cool stuff!!!!
that was COOOOOOOLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Here in Aridzona they put a minimal poured pad with rusty hardware or, just stuff a rock in it and walk away; we got a lot of rocks! 🤠
I'm asubscriber and love the way you explain and do things. Can you tell me or have an idea why I'm getting grits of sand coming out my faucets with the water. It clogs up the aeroators within my faucets at times. Many thanks for all you do. Don't ever change.
Wish i had known about this, when i filled the well on ym old property.
Old well was hand dug, and when they put the septic in, they put the leach field less than 20 feet from the well.
That doesn't contaminate the aquifer? I would have run the septic towards the shop building, away from the house and well. Enjoying your videos! Yrs ago went down my 3 ft diameter farm well that had not been used for many yrs to clean it out. Interesting experience! Gotta have someone you Really Trust up topside. Produced good water for many yrs.
And the new well is 90 feet shallower than the old one...probably the same water, just closer to the septic field lines. Go figure. My grandparents had a 30' shallow well located 20 ' from the outhouse. Nobody told them what they had to do and they lived to be 80+. Nowadays, it's not YOUR field drain that endangers you & others but government & industry.
Contaminate the aquifer how? Concrete solidifies into rock, just like all the other rock down there.
Not sure where you live, but filling a well with concrete in my state is illegal. You must use native materials or bentonite. In fact, the DNR would makey you drill the concrete out and refill it properly.
Interesting and sounds less expensive.
It's the same in Denmark, you are required to hired a company approve for closing wells, and they have to use bentonite. It cost me 600$ to get a well closed in 2022
As a tip, get a kiddie pool and use it for the excess concrete. That way it's not hard to dispose of when your done
Why was cement used rather than bentonite? Was it requires by code, or based on site considerations?
My old well was betonite filled too. The casing was cut off about 10' down and pulled out.
Sadly there was no way I could dodge it. I wanted to use it for lrrigation and livestock. But State know about is so required it plugged.
@@benjurqunov Yep. cant use the water under your dirt! go blue!
Just found your channel and loving the content, What's your recommendation on Ants getting in the contactors on the pressure switch?
Thanks Phillip I'm always learning something from you.. We spoke earlier in the week about a Grundfus 290 so that we can run a solar battery when we loose power. You gave me some concerns about scraping my 1 inch poly when pulling the pump. Do you have a video in how to make a roller pulley?
Look at air hose reels. They can give you the blueprint you need to build the same for your water well line. Put it over the casing and hammer some stakes into the ground to hold it in place then run your pipe through the reel and start pulling it out. Will hold it in the center of the casing.
Is there a reason you used concrete to fill the hole in, as opposed to using a flowable fill type product.
In the 1970s and 80s I worked as Petroleum Geologist an the switched to Environmental Geologist in the early 90s and was surprised how poorly water wells were regulated. The completion design was poor and abandonment was worse, leaving lots areas for contamination into the well bore. It is nice to see how much better it has become since I left the industry in the mid. 90s. I do have question about the logic in using the gravel. In the oil fields and water wells, neat cement was used for cementing in casing and well abandonment. I cannot think of an advantage of the gravel other than saving cost on cement. Oh back then some water well folks would mix bentonite with the cement thinking that it would help with the seal. I would not let them because in the oil fields bentonite would be mix into cement that was to be drilled out later because it weakened the cement.
Oh very nice work and clean jobsite.
Whey do you feel the old well with cement
Where I live it is done differently. I do not remember the specifics numbers but we would be required to dig a certain depth into the ground around the well casing and then cut it off, push a plug a certain depth into the casing, put two or more pieces of reinforcement bar through the casing that stuck out a couple of feet out the side, and then fill the casing with concrete and then fill the hole we dug with a foot of concrete to create a pad on top of the well to prevent anything from being able to flow down the outside of the casing. Then the dirt you dug up has to be put back in.
That way the well casing is plugged inside and outside, the casing can not ever sink any further into the ground, and it is below the maximum depth that the average trencher can dig if you need to run any sort of water, sewer, or gas plumbing as well as electrical lines.
This reminds me of a house back in the 1940's. The kitchen sink had a hand pump which we used to get our water. I assume the kitchen was directly over the well or a cistern that was filled by a spring. We've come a long way baby. Water is necessary for life but we (the general public) give it too little attention.
I learned something necessary. Thank you.
in Highway construction they have a product called select flowable fill. If it was allowed it would flow done the pipe anc could bet topped off with Sakrete.
I feel like I'm watching an execution !
So if I may ask, how far from the bottom do you keep your pvc pipe so the water will flow out. Thank you.
like putting a straw in a katchup bottle, no more glug glug just easy flow :)