I have never witnessed as much sheer stupidity as I saw in those 2 end games. The Raiders center must be feeling pretty cheesy right now unless he had $10K bet on KC to win! lol Maybe someone on the Chiefs' front line yelled out "hut!"
@@whspioneer89 It has been confirmed that any 4th grader or even a kindergartener playing madden can finish the game better than the bears and raiders. Both teams had their chances but failed to upset the top teams in the league
The center is yelling at the officials because the ref on the left side of the field, next to the receiver who was lined up wrong, blew the play dead immediately. He ran on the field waving his arms and every player on that side of the field stopped playing. The refs can certainly huddle up and change their mind about what foul to call, but they can't blow the play dead and then decide the play actually counted after all. If a ref blows the play dead at the snap then the play didn't happen.
@@LoneHawk Yep... At 1:52 on the video, the ref is just starting to raise his arms as he is running and blowing the whistle. If you pause the video right there and look back to the center area, you can see that the fumbled ball is already in the Chiefs possession. KC wins.
It was an *Illegal Shift* penalty because two men were moving and failed to become re-set. 1:31 Watch the receiver's feet at the top edge of the screen. Notice that he is moving/shifting _while_ another receiver whom Brock Bowers was signaling offscreen on the opposite side of the formation, _also_ moved/shifted. Because they failed to become re-set _before_ the ball was snapped ...this was an *Illegal Shift,* which by rule is a *live ball* penalty when the game clock is not running. The clock was not running because Aidan O'Connell spiked the ball to stop the clock on the previous down.
@@lxUn1c0 I know the rules The line judge signaled dead ball at the snap and blew the whistle immediately. Then he left the sideline which means he killed the play himself
@@NWstockoperator That is simply factually incorrect. Again, learn the rules. I'm sorry the Raiders didn't get the free re-do you wanted them to get after they fumbled the game away.
Thanks for breaking this down. Amazon is smart not to show dead air while we wait for the ball to be snapped but fans end up missing part of the game more than a few times because things are missed.
I think Andy is practicing unique plays, coming up with new plays and determining opponent responses. I didn’t expect a blow-out because Andy doesn’t do blow-outs.
@ Andy got too fancy on throwing deep on 3rd and short when we should’ve ran with Pacheco for an easy 1st down to ice it. The chiefs and refs slander wouldn’t take place if the offense just finished the game cleanly
@ well maybe, big boy, you should get out there and help them, huh? Why is it men ALWAYS NEED to criticize their teams yet still feel themselves to be the very best fan the team has??? Why can’t you just trust?
@@D4rktris808yeah that was crazy especially knowing that they were getting pressure on Mahomes at this point almost every drop back should’ve just ran it also would’ve took more time off
@@NWstockoperatorAlso, if there's a fumble, refs immediately command to try to see who recovered it instead of allowing the players to wrestle on the ground.That's normal
@@stevenh3508 it was blown dead you can see the ref at the top of the screen at 0:55, he blows it dead because he is calling it a false start, you can see he signals false start. He is overridden by the head ref, who says it's illegal shift, but if the whistle is blown, even in error, the play should be dead and this is about a second before the Chiefs player dives on the ball.
I think the culprit is Raiders no. 87. Not only wasn't he set (he was waving to the WR on his left to take a step back) but by lining up on the line he made the formation illegal (8 men on the line) too. That is probably the explanation why one of the refs signaled illegal procedure (which can be misinterpreted for a false-start call because it's the same signal).
It's important nuance that it's not a false start because the clock isn't running. Had the clock been running then it is a false start and that's why the center was upset, a misunderstanding of the rules The qb said in the post game press confrence he clapped for the snap, which could be heard on the live broadcast
Also, they weren't trying to get a few yards to make the fg easier. They were trying to run off a few seconds off of the clock according to their players and coaches by throwing it away. That was a bad decision. The fg team should have on the field to try a 49 yard fg as they had no timeouts
We're gonna BS our way to the threepeat, and then some poor writer is gonna have to try to make a believable inspirational sports movie script out of our season, and it's gonna be hilarious 😂
Me and my son were there screaming our heads off. crazy ending... Some dude in our section yelled "illegal shift, play stands" immediately when it happened so we kinda thought that was going to be the call after the refs met. we squeak by again...
As a HARD CORE 60 yr Chiefs fan, I am actually fucking frustrated at the way things have gone this year. It is hard to refute the shitalkers when it looks like we are not winning, but our opponent is losing. I know a dub is a dub, but come playoffs, luck won't always pull through....😮
Its O'Connells fault. He had the silent count, the clapping was supposed to be a signal for the right guard to tell the center to snap. He accidentally clapped for a different reason, as a hurry up for the offensive. Therefore he wasn't expecting the ball. He took the blame in a press conference after the game
@@nolanbennett6631 or, and hear me out on this, they could have just kicked a field goal and not had this issue. But they decided that running the risk of another play with 15 seconds left was a genius idea
@@Spritofjazzor, and hear me out, they could’ve blown the chiefs out by 30. Saying they could’ve done something different is a moot point. What definitely shouldn’t have happened is a blatant missed call as the last impactful play of the game.
@@nolanbennett6631 the play was never blown dead. The flag came out after the snap and after the ball was dropped and the whistle didn’t happen until after the football was recovered. Even if you are correct and know more about a ruling that the nfl hired refs supposedly got wrong after it was discussed between the entire officiating crew, bad calls happen in sports. They have since the inception of them. Everyone knows this. Humans make mistakes. It’s the Raiders fault for giving them the chance to do so. Still wouldn’t have mattered if they could snap a football. Or if they signed a kicker who could make a single 55 yarder with 3 attempts. Push all the blame you want. Game literally didn’t matter past stats and seeding for the chiefs playoff run anyways. You won’t ever catch me blaming the officiating when my team loses due to bad play calling, bad execution and poor player signings. You won’t catch me blaming them at all, it’s an hour long game. Either way nothing you do or say will change the records, you have accept the things you can’t change friend. That was my whole point, that and pointing out the fact the entire situation was completely avoidable
Seems a lot of people on the internet don't understand that Illegal formation and false start share the same hand signals, remember Kadarious Toney in the bills game? The raiders committed 2 penalties on that play as the raiders receiver was lined up on the line of scrimmage which because of Brock Bowers being on the line of scrimmage as well that would be 8 men on the line not 7 like it's supposed to be and attempting to back up so it was illegal formation on top of illegal shift and both are live ball penalties the raiders were double screwed. Seems I'm the only one on the internet that understands this...sad
That is not on the QB, the snapper and the lineman need to pay attention, QB is doing his job to make sure everyone is on line. Not once did he clap his hands, but he took responsibility for the mistake even though it wasn't his to take thats on the snapper and lineman
One thing that made Paintin great was his constant habit of practicing quick set formation in hurry up. I understand the worked the clock but the could’ve got a TD or closer if they would have hurried up to the line after every play
Would suggest they change their procedure in letting the center know the offense is ready. The quarter back should be signalling a lineman the offense is ready, EVERY PLAY, whether it's a step up , or whatever. THEN the lineman taps the center
This is actually exactly what they did. The RG tapped the C because he heard the QB clapping. That's supposed to be the ready signal, but for some reason he brain farted and was clapping to tell his receivers to get set.
As a Raiders fan Carlson and JPJ lost this game for us. 3 terribly missed FG's and snap no one was ready for. Only the Raiders can lose in such fashion
@ what after Carlson kicked the other two short why try again and waste a timeout? Luckily the Chiefs didn’t run the ball three times to run the clock out. Secondly he didn’t just snap the ball the guard gave him the signal to snap it before the QB was ready and being that the clock was stop the guard should not have been in such a rush. Lastly OConnell did the right thing to wait because the WR on the right side was aligned improperly and he is the person who was moving when the ball was snapped trying to get aligned
rewatch the first half of your video. watch the line judge on the top of the screen. he clearly BLOWS THE WISTLE before the snap, and runs in waving the play off. I don't care what they wanted to change the call to. the ref blew the play dead before it started... that's actually in the rules, even if it's in error, the play is dead. this is because of player safety. the league and refs fucked up big time by letting the fumble stand, when the play was blown dead.
@@cindykramer1986 0:45 the ball is still live and he's got his hand to his mouth blowing the whistle. he actually blew it well before this, watch the WR on that sideline, he's stopped immediately, never ran the play because the play was blown dead by the ref.
Yep I'm really concerned. Of course all the injuries explain the bad play. And then player talent is responsible for alot. But,some of the stuff I'm seeing has got me baffled
Well, let's look at this for offense. I think everything's pretty good except the tackles. Joanne Taylor gets too many penalties and is average at best. One a Morris is benched. Thank God, mahomes, gruess, apparent balls and basically demanded Reid to bench his a** So that's why they put the guard there because a guard a starting guard. That's actually good is better than a b******* tackle. I hope the God at that player that just signed is actually. Able to play next week because even a rusty retired. 30-year-old left guard is better than that. Left tackle one a Morris defense. The front 4 looked pretty good. They got to 8 on Cottle a few times they got a lot of pressure, the corners, though are still bad and we can't guarantee it's like we can all year, so that's basically the only problems are kickers also another one it's making harder get points bucker. What the nail the halftime field goal.
They should have never run another play other than a FG with 13 seconds and no timeouts left, not on AOC, that is on AP! What did they have to gain, nothing! FIRE AP!
Can somebody explain why the raiders after spiking the ball let 30s off the play clock (while the broadcast was showing anything but the field) then don’t get into a huddle till 10 seconds and everything seemed rushed for no reason??
I'm confused by the clock management at the ultra end there...reciever doesn't go out of bounds so they spike it on 2nd down to bring up 3rd & 3 w/ 15 seconds left and zero timeouts. If you don't get the first down, you won't be able to spike it, so they kind of have to either get a very quick first down + spike, or first down and out of bounds (which will be well guarded)...it seems like a lot of risk to make the field goal five yards closer.
Well that one’s not on the quarterback. You have to prevent a 10 second run off on a false start that could end the game. Good on him to notice that his wideout wasn’t lined up properly. The linemen didn’t notice this, obviously
@ because the play didn’t stop. It was an accept / decline situation, they treated it as if they play had continued. The clock runs on the official’s signal after the teams set up for the play after the penalty. They would have been able to snap it with 3-4 seconds left, but would that have been enough to spike it? In all likelihood, yes, but if they attempted anything else it would have bit them
There would be NO 10 second runoff in that situation, because the previous play ended in a dead ball situation. (The spike) It would just be a 5 yard mark off only.
@The2ndeve he only had 2 accurate passes, all the others were terrible throws that bowers and Meyers made great adjustments on. Do you all just not know football? Throwing it up with a hope and a prayer is not good football.
Unfortunately, fans and the media often focus on the last play. They rarely tink about the points they left on the field or the fact that the losing team still had to make a field goal, after missing three in the game,and beat Patrick Mahomes in over time!
Here comes all the haters saying the refs won us the game. No… how about one of you teams just play good enough to beat us so the refs don’t matter, like the bills game. Until then stop crying. It’s not our fault you all keep letting us escape with wins, & don’t expect us to apologize for it.
im usually a good guesser on these games but this season got me looking really bad across the board i just wanna c a different champ this year PLEASE REFS!
Being lined up offsides is the single stupidest penalty you can get. Good that we have an intelligent Player like Bowers but he shouldn't even need to address something so dumb.
And it would have resulted in a 10 second run off here that could have ended the game. Not the quarterback’s fault that they had to notice it and address it at the exact same time the snap was as coming
chiefs winning game on bad raiders fumbled snap. i don't care about team record, i base it on the eye test. chiefs nation are set up for a brutal defeat in the post seasom
Chiefs fan since 1975, this game was the Raiders to lose and they did😂. The Chiefs have so much to work on I don’t know how they make it through the playoffs but they will.
This was prolly one of the best things to happen as a raider fan, we went out there and seen our team beat up on the chiefs and pretty much win but gave it up in the last second which is good cus we didn't mess up our draft pick. So a win win. lol
Im ready for all of the cray babies to say the ref this the refs that. Im pretty sure the refs made the center span the ball early while the raiders had a WOined up wrong
The top ref literally ran onto the field blowing as a dead play, I'm a lions fan so I have no dog in the fight and don't say I'm salty cause lions are the best in the league rn
@@gitgudnerdz3294He probably assumed it was a false start. That's why he ran like it. He didn't sing no fall. Start with his hands like they usually do when they blow the plate. Dad, but it was pretty much over with it was a fumble recovery.
People here are pretending the ref at the top of the screen in this video isn't signaling dead ball immediately. He definitely killed the play before the recovery
"If a whistle blows and the ball is immediately and clearly recovered by a player after the whistle, the play can be ruled a fumble and a recovery." It helps to know this rule that's been in the official rulebook since 2006.
@@NWstockoperator It was not called a false start. The referee threw a flag and made the signal for illegal offensive procedure. He then turned to Chris Jones and told him that the penalty was going to be Illegal Formation. After the referees huddled up, the call was changed from Illegal Formation to Illegal Shift, because two players never came set. Please learn the rules. Please. There is no universe in which the Raiders deserved a free re-do just because YOU got confused about what the Side Judge was doing from your couch.
Waiting for the whiners to explain how this was the referee's fault. (I'm not even a KC fan, I hope they don't win this year. But I'm even less a fan of whining)
3rd and 8 from the 37 with the time that would have been left on the clock after whatever this play was supposed to be. So, in all likelihood, a 54-yard FG attempt.
Im fed up of hearing: “all credit to the Broncos, all credit to the Raiders, all credit to the Panthers”. Just beat these bad teams convincingly just once, FFS. The chiefs are treading a fine line and I’m getting too stressed watching it. At least my 2nd fave team, the Lions, are fun to watch.
The quarterback is in the shotgun so he can’t signal the center from right behind him. They are playing in the opponent’s stadium, so the home team fans are making as much noise as possible to cause a false start or premature snap. The guard usually looks back at the quarterback, gets the visual signal, then taps the center in order to let him know when to snap the ball.
The Raiders watched the Bears debacle on Thanksgiving and said “Hold my beer”
"Hold my fumble" more like
It's actually better that they lost. They have to try to get the best pick they can get.
I have never witnessed as much sheer stupidity as I saw in those 2 end games. The Raiders center must be feeling pretty cheesy right now unless he had $10K bet on KC to win! lol Maybe someone on the Chiefs' front line yelled out "hut!"
@@whspioneer89 It has been confirmed that any 4th grader or even a kindergartener playing madden can finish the game better than the bears and raiders. Both teams had their chances but failed to upset the top teams in the league
The center was told ready by the guard and I’m gonna guess he was watching the play clock which was under 4 seconds when he snapped it.
Thanks for the great coverage. The way this was show live did not clear things up at all. Always great work, Jackson.
Thank you for breaking this down and explaining what happened so articulately.
Man I’ve been watching them for forty years, and this was a new way to choke.
I'm a Raiders fan, this was not a brutal loss, it was almost a brutal WIN though.
The tank rolls through
Brutal? lol there's nothing to play for bud lol. We're in tank mode. They at least covered my Raiders bet so all good...
@@johnbenz4301Yes that's the entire point he's making, it would've been a brutal win because it screws up their draft stock.
Agreed. We deserved everything about to come.
You should stick to watching anime.
The center is yelling at the officials because the ref on the left side of the field, next to the receiver who was lined up wrong, blew the play dead immediately. He ran on the field waving his arms and every player on that side of the field stopped playing. The refs can certainly huddle up and change their mind about what foul to call, but they can't blow the play dead and then decide the play actually counted after all. If a ref blows the play dead at the snap then the play didn't happen.
They didn't blow the play dead at the snap though, they blew it dead after the Chiefs got the fumble.
@@VelesVoidlies
@@VelesVoidthe line judge is literally signaling false start right after the snap
this happened to the raiders also in the playoffs a couple years ago
@@LoneHawk Yep... At 1:52 on the video, the ref is just starting to raise his arms as he is running and blowing the whistle. If you pause the video right there and look back to the center area, you can see that the fumbled ball is already in the Chiefs possession. KC wins.
Did the Raiders just hire very recently fired Chicago Bears ex-Head Coach Matt Eberflus for this game??
As a Raider fan I'm laughing 😂😂😂
I’m a Bears fan. My condolences today to The Raiders. Believe me, we know the feeling this year! 😢
That play wasn't a coaching issue, but hiring Eberflus would certainly be the most Raiders move ever.
@@Kaitronoamvyes it was, should have kicked fg on 3rd down. Should have learned watching the bears game
@@KaitronoamvI mean they hired Luke Getsy 😂
"Black magic" game is more accurate
Roger Goodell and state farm
It was an *Illegal Shift* penalty because two men were moving and failed to become re-set.
1:31 Watch the receiver's feet at the top edge of the screen. Notice that he is moving/shifting _while_ another receiver whom Brock Bowers was signaling offscreen on the opposite side of the formation, _also_ moved/shifted. Because they failed to become re-set _before_ the ball was snapped ...this was an *Illegal Shift,* which by rule is a *live ball* penalty when the game clock is not running. The clock was not running because Aidan O'Connell spiked the ball to stop the clock on the previous down.
Very good clarification, thanks.
He's wrong
@@NWstockoperatorNo, he's right. Learn the rules.
@@lxUn1c0 I know the rules The line judge signaled dead ball at the snap and blew the whistle immediately. Then he left the sideline which means he killed the play himself
@@NWstockoperator That is simply factually incorrect. Again, learn the rules. I'm sorry the Raiders didn't get the free re-do you wanted them to get after they fumbled the game away.
Best rundown of the ending on youtube
Super analysis!! Thank you!
lol the two best teams in the league squeaked by with wins on some dumb shit.
and all the haters can't accept that this is what makes the NFL great.
The Chiefs are not one of the two best teams.
@@MTrusciziI agree. Their record is way better than they are
Theres always a bit of luck and staying healthy that decides who is champion.
@@Robert-oq8yeI just want to ask, you know the chiefs were by all metrics were worse last year right?
Thanks for breaking this down. Amazon is smart not to show dead air while we wait for the ball to be snapped but fans end up missing part of the game more than a few times because things are missed.
As a chiefs fan, we have a lot of stuff to fix
I think Andy is practicing unique plays, coming up with new plays and determining opponent responses. I didn’t expect a blow-out because Andy doesn’t do blow-outs.
@ Andy got too fancy on throwing deep on 3rd and short when we should’ve ran with Pacheco for an easy 1st down to ice it. The chiefs and refs slander wouldn’t take place if the offense just finished the game cleanly
@@D4rktris808 Ain't nobody says a word if that throw is 2 ft closer to worthy 😂
@ well maybe, big boy, you should get out there and help them, huh? Why is it men ALWAYS NEED to criticize their teams yet still feel themselves to be the very best fan the team has??? Why can’t you just trust?
@@D4rktris808yeah that was crazy especially knowing that they were getting pressure on Mahomes at this point almost every drop back should’ve just ran it also would’ve took more time off
Finally, someone who knows the rules and doesn't just say REFS STOLE IT
But he's wrong. Look at the ref in the top of the screen. He killed the play before the recovery
@Robert-fs6ge whistle wasnt blown, so no he didn't kill the play 😂😂
@@NWstockoperatorAlso, if there's a fumble, refs immediately command to try to see who recovered it instead of allowing the players to wrestle on the ground.That's normal
@Robert-fs6ge no he did not. Nor did he throw a flag to indicate a false start. Stop trying to lie to justify how pathetic the raiders are.
@@stevenh3508 it was blown dead you can see the ref at the top of the screen at 0:55, he blows it dead because he is calling it a false start, you can see he signals false start. He is overridden by the head ref, who says it's illegal shift, but if the whistle is blown, even in error, the play should be dead and this is about a second before the Chiefs player dives on the ball.
Thanks for clearing this up. I won’t look like an idiot now screaming “it was a false start” 😂
I think the culprit is Raiders no. 87. Not only wasn't he set (he was waving to the WR on his left to take a step back) but by lining up on the line he made the formation illegal (8 men on the line) too. That is probably the explanation why one of the refs signaled illegal procedure (which can be misinterpreted for a false-start call because it's the same signal).
This Chiefs team isn’t perfect but they just make less mistakes than you do, frustrating loss as a Raiders fan
It's important nuance that it's not a false start because the clock isn't running. Had the clock been running then it is a false start and that's why the center was upset, a misunderstanding of the rules
The qb said in the post game press confrence he clapped for the snap, which could be heard on the live broadcast
Also, they weren't trying to get a few yards to make the fg easier. They were trying to run off a few seconds off of the clock according to their players and coaches by throwing it away. That was a bad decision. The fg team should have on the field to try a 49 yard fg as they had no timeouts
As a chiefs fan, we are the one of the worst 11-1 teams in NFL history
Almost on par with the Steelers a few years ago
We're gonna BS our way to the threepeat, and then some poor writer is gonna have to try to make a believable inspirational sports movie script out of our season, and it's gonna be hilarious 😂
@@mylesflores8248 Agreed. We're the 2022 Minnesota Vikings right now. I'm concerned about being a one and done.
Im a chiefs fan and can honestly see us losing every remaining regular season game.
This is the dumbest post in internet history
Qb and center not on the same page. Not the first time a team did this. Ravens did this too.
Me and my son were there screaming our heads off. crazy ending... Some dude in our section yelled "illegal shift, play stands" immediately when it happened so we kinda thought that was going to be the call after the refs met. we squeak by again...
That dude knows ball.
Crowd noise is a factor.. 12th man in Seattle
I wonder if the end of the Bears game led to this, players didn’t want to repeat history.
Aiden took responsibility and said he actually gave the signal to snap.
As a HARD CORE 60 yr Chiefs fan, I am actually fucking frustrated at the way things have gone this year. It is hard to refute the shitalkers when it looks like we are not winning, but our opponent is losing. I know a dub is a dub, but come playoffs, luck won't always pull through....😮
🤢 loser
Bowers is LEGIT. Let's tank and get a RB and a QB!!
Trade the Vikings for Daniel Jones
Aiden threw for 340 yards, 2tds and no interception.
@@mpayne8206 so you're ready to give him a 5 year max deal?
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Wasn't his fault
Its O'Connells fault. He had the silent count, the clapping was supposed to be a signal for the right guard to tell the center to snap. He accidentally clapped for a different reason, as a hurry up for the offensive. Therefore he wasn't expecting the ball. He took the blame in a press conference after the game
@@jameschristaldi4021 I doubt that is the reality, I'm sure he is taking the blame to not allow all the hate go to the center.
@@DakotaTheRota its a pretty common mistake with botched snaps
All they had to do was kick a field goal and everyone still blaming the refs LMAO
People never understand that good teams get ugly wins they claim ref ball because it gets engagement unfortunately
Neither receiver was set before the snap. That’s not an illegal shift. It’s a false start. Blatant blown call.
@@nolanbennett6631 or, and hear me out on this, they could have just kicked a field goal and not had this issue. But they decided that running the risk of another play with 15 seconds left was a genius idea
@@Spritofjazzor, and hear me out, they could’ve blown the chiefs out by 30. Saying they could’ve done something different is a moot point. What definitely shouldn’t have happened is a blatant missed call as the last impactful play of the game.
@@nolanbennett6631 the play was never blown dead. The flag came out after the snap and after the ball was dropped and the whistle didn’t happen until after the football was recovered. Even if you are correct and know more about a ruling that the nfl hired refs supposedly got wrong after it was discussed between the entire officiating crew, bad calls happen in sports. They have since the inception of them. Everyone knows this. Humans make mistakes. It’s the Raiders fault for giving them the chance to do so. Still wouldn’t have mattered if they could snap a football. Or if they signed a kicker who could make a single 55 yarder with 3 attempts. Push all the blame you want. Game literally didn’t matter past stats and seeding for the chiefs playoff run anyways.
You won’t ever catch me blaming the officiating when my team loses due to bad play calling, bad execution and poor player signings. You won’t catch me blaming them at all, it’s an hour long game. Either way nothing you do or say will change the records, you have accept the things you can’t change friend. That was my whole point, that and pointing out the fact the entire situation was completely avoidable
As a chiefs fan… even I’m like… "we can’t keep getting away with this"
You have too, chiefs 3 peat is guarantee .... ref will help us 👍
@@COD_MURDER_XDEFIANT I hope yall tank faster than the bears game yesterday
Well they list 9 points in field goals so guess they blew their chance to sweep but didn’t so yeah we won.
@@jameschristaldi4021never not even possible because they are smart besides fantastic which makes them lethal.
It all depends when Beelzebub comes to collect on the wager someone made with him.
U explained it so much more better than how everyone is taking it, uk football and actually watch the game😂
He's wrong though
@@lxUn1c0 line judge signaled dead ball at the snap and then signaled false start. There's no other reality about it.
Seems a lot of people on the internet don't understand that Illegal formation and false start share the same hand signals, remember Kadarious Toney in the bills game? The raiders committed 2 penalties on that play as the raiders receiver was lined up on the line of scrimmage which because of Brock Bowers being on the line of scrimmage as well that would be 8 men on the line not 7 like it's supposed to be and attempting to back up so it was illegal formation on top of illegal shift and both are live ball penalties the raiders were double screwed. Seems I'm the only one on the internet that understands this...sad
That is not on the QB, the snapper and the lineman need to pay attention, QB is doing his job to make sure everyone is on line. Not once did he clap his hands, but he took responsibility for the mistake even though it wasn't his to take thats on the snapper and lineman
There's another angle that shows the QB actually did clap before the camera change on the main broadcast.
One thing that made Paintin great was his constant habit of practicing quick set formation in hurry up. I understand the worked the clock but the could’ve got a TD or closer if they would have hurried up to the line after every play
The good thing was I had O’Connel to be under 35.5 pass attempts and he ended with 35 😂😂
Thanks for clarifying about the illegal shift not being a pre snap penalty.
Watch the ref. He waves the play dead before the recovery.. which should be a dead ball, even if it was the wrong call by that ref..
@@falseprophet1024Precisely. The ref killed the play immediately
The way bowers was moving when the ball was snapped should have made it a false start.
@@petersilva7111the initial call was false start
@@NWstockoperatorno it wasn't, they never called false start.
Would suggest they change their procedure in letting the center know the offense is ready.
The quarter back should be signalling a lineman the offense is ready, EVERY PLAY, whether it's a step up , or whatever. THEN the lineman taps the center
This is actually exactly what they did. The RG tapped the C because he heard the QB clapping. That's supposed to be the ready signal, but for some reason he brain farted and was clapping to tell his receivers to get set.
Bears: “we suck”
Raiders: “hold my beer”
As a Raiders fan Carlson and JPJ lost this game for us. 3 terribly missed FG's and snap no one was ready for. Only the Raiders can lose in such fashion
I think the missed field goals lost them the game.
@ what after Carlson kicked the other two short why try again and waste a timeout? Luckily the Chiefs didn’t run the ball three times to run the clock out. Secondly he didn’t just snap the ball the guard gave him the signal to snap it before the QB was ready and being that the clock was stop the guard should not have been in such a rush. Lastly OConnell did the right thing to wait because the WR on the right side was aligned improperly and he is the person who was moving when the ball was snapped trying to get aligned
I think they need to change the hand signal for illegal formation so that it’s not the same as false start. Might help with the confusion
the one most to blame is the WR lined up offsides
rewatch the first half of your video. watch the line judge on the top of the screen. he clearly BLOWS THE WISTLE before the snap, and runs in waving the play off. I don't care what they wanted to change the call to. the ref blew the play dead before it started... that's actually in the rules, even if it's in error, the play is dead. this is because of player safety.
the league and refs fucked up big time by letting the fumble stand, when the play was blown dead.
I wish they would zoom on that better. Hard to see the snap and the top refs movements at this angle. I totally get what your saying
@@cindykramer1986 0:45 the ball is still live and he's got his hand to his mouth blowing the whistle. he actually blew it well before this, watch the WR on that sideline, he's stopped immediately, never ran the play because the play was blown dead by the ref.
This game and the Bears-Lions game justify why Eberflus didn't try to get more yards on the Packers blocked kicked...
Yep I'm really concerned. Of course all the injuries explain the bad play. And then player talent is responsible for alot. But,some of the stuff I'm seeing has got me baffled
Well, let's look at this for offense. I think everything's pretty good except the tackles. Joanne Taylor gets too many penalties and is average at best. One a Morris is benched. Thank God, mahomes, gruess, apparent balls and basically demanded Reid to bench his a** So that's why they put the guard there because a guard a starting guard. That's actually good is better than a b******* tackle. I hope the God at that player that just signed is actually. Able to play next week because even a rusty retired. 30-year-old left guard is better than that. Left tackle one a Morris defense. The front 4 looked pretty good. They got to 8 on Cottle a few times they got a lot of pressure, the corners, though are still bad and we can't guarantee it's like we can all year, so that's basically the only problems are kickers also another one it's making harder get points bucker. What the nail the halftime field goal.
They should have never run another play other than a FG with 13 seconds and no timeouts left, not on AOC, that is on AP! What did they have to gain, nothing! FIRE AP!
AOC should go back to Puerto Rico.......wait, wrong AOC
The refs didn't botch the snap...
Can somebody explain why the raiders after spiking the ball let 30s off the play clock (while the broadcast was showing anything but the field) then don’t get into a huddle till 10 seconds and everything seemed rushed for no reason??
I'm confused by the clock management at the ultra end there...reciever doesn't go out of bounds so they spike it on 2nd down to bring up 3rd & 3 w/ 15 seconds left and zero timeouts. If you don't get the first down, you won't be able to spike it, so they kind of have to either get a very quick first down + spike, or first down and out of bounds (which will be well guarded)...it seems like a lot of risk to make the field goal five yards closer.
@@DoktorZaius86.... the kicker did already missed 3 fg.... so every little extra yard closer was their plan
Lol I can't understand it
@@gunfunandstuff9226AP said he was gonna throw it out of bounds to burn time. He wasn't running an actual play for any yards.
The refs made the center snap it before the quarterback was ready. Refs are always helping the Chiefs! 😂
They’re tanking on purpose bro what don’t u get😂😂
Entertaining game, Raiders have the potential to be great at times. The chiefs are overrated but find ways to win, the essence of a championship team
As a raider fan I'm not Even Upset about this lose I'm happy
We're going to get our quarterback 💯
Bears: "we know how to botch it like rock stars!". Raiders: "Hold my beer"
The center wasn’t at fault it was the WR. Everybody knew what to do and how to line up except the offset WR.
Raiders team sucks! Clearly NOT a false start! Only the Raiders could find such a creative way to choke away a Win 😂
Well that one’s not on the quarterback. You have to prevent a 10 second run off on a false start that could end the game. Good on him to notice that his wideout wasn’t lined up properly. The linemen didn’t notice this, obviously
@ the clock would be running when the play restarted though. He would have to throw very quickly, and did they even have any timeouts left?
@marcusmcgraw3519 how could the clock be running when the ref at the top of the screen killed the play dead? Look at his arm signal
@ because the play didn’t stop. It was an accept / decline situation, they treated it as if they play had continued. The clock runs on the official’s signal after the teams set up for the play after the penalty. They would have been able to snap it with 3-4 seconds left, but would that have been enough to spike it? In all likelihood, yes, but if they attempted anything else it would have bit them
There would be NO 10 second runoff in that situation, because the previous play ended in a dead ball situation. (The spike) It would just be a 5 yard mark off only.
@Paggy6668 correct and the down judge signaled dead ball at the snap and signaled false start.
I fully support O’Connell. I see his gifts, like a diamond half faceted. He is going to be amazing in the future.
I hope my Raiders don’t screw his career. He does have an it factor that needs to be buffed out and shine
@@elchampeon8772 there is true accuracy in those passes. Am a chiefs fan. But I loved a lot of raider plays today.
As a back up
At least he realized his WR was lined up wrong. Which is good awareness.
@The2ndeve he only had 2 accurate passes, all the others were terrible throws that bowers and Meyers made great adjustments on. Do you all just not know football? Throwing it up with a hope and a prayer is not good football.
Out they lost 9 points in field goals but no one is talking about that.
We really expecting kickers to be 100% from 55+ in 30 degree weather? Some of y’all have never kicked a football in cold weather and it shows
Unfortunately, fans and the media often focus on the last play. They rarely tink about the points they left on the field or the fact that the losing team still had to make a field goal, after missing three in the game,and beat Patrick Mahomes in over time!
@@Springer06-dj4th that kick would have won the game, not tied it. There wouldn’t have been an overtime.
@ Yes! You’re 100% correct. I confused it with the Chicago field goal debacle. I watched both clips last night.
Here comes all the haters saying the refs won us the game. No… how about one of you teams just play good enough to beat us so the refs don’t matter, like the bills game. Until then stop crying. It’s not our fault you all keep letting us escape with wins, & don’t expect us to apologize for it.
"Safety" i think you meant center 😅
im usually a good guesser on these games but this season got me looking really bad across the board i just wanna c a different champ this year PLEASE REFS!
Why risk it? At 15 seconds, just kick it. At presser oconnel said they just wanted to take a little more time off the clock. Dumb
Cause raiders want sanders they was at his game do you get it
I don’t know if I should laugh at the raiders or be mad at chiefs for getting lucky again
no film study on this 340 yard game from AOC? best career game for him and brock bowers lol
Let’s go chiefs!!!!!
Being lined up offsides is the single stupidest penalty you can get. Good that we have an intelligent Player like Bowers but he shouldn't even need to address something so dumb.
And it would have resulted in a 10 second run off here that could have ended the game. Not the quarterback’s fault that they had to notice it and address it at the exact
same time the snap was as coming
There was 11 seconds left on the clock.
The Raiders should have been kicking a field goal on the 3rd down not running another play with 15 seconds left of play time.
Glad Mahomes was throwing downfield more instead of the nonsense small ball scheme. Though the Kelce lateral should be outlawed LOL.
If the Chiefs played the Eagles, Lions or Ravens they probably would have been humiliated by a crushing defeat.
Why did they try to go for that one extra play , cmon 11 seconds left. Everyone watching here thought they were gunna go for the kick
chiefs winning game on bad raiders fumbled snap. i don't care about team record, i base it on the eye test. chiefs nation are set up for a brutal defeat in the post seasom
Chiefs fan since 1975, this game was the Raiders to lose and they did😂. The Chiefs have so much to work on I don’t know how they make it through the playoffs but they will.
Prime Raiders tanking for Shedeur right here
Raiders throwing games to get that #1 pick. Well done
When powers messes up.he messes up.
FIXED FIXED FIXED FIXED FIXED.......
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND ANYMORE.
Ya, feeling it for Raiders fans. Unfortunate. They played well, but…
1:30 is a illegal formation as explained
You can see the far ref blow the whistle normally that’s a dead ball and play is stopped happen before with other teams
Honest question... Ehat was the illegal formation because im not seing anything
The WR and TE at the top of the screen never got fully set.
The league blows this year
Nah, fans are just dumb this year.
Correct. The product has been for several years.
@@ThisGuyDrives Fr. The chiefs are lucky yes, which is lame, but the football fans have been straight trash lately it actually blows my mind
This was prolly one of the best things to happen as a raider fan, we went out there and seen our team beat up on the chiefs and pretty much win but gave it up in the last second which is good cus we didn't mess up our draft pick. So a win win. lol
As a chiefs fan.....GO CHIEFS!!! LOL
Does it have anything to do with 66 tapping the center? Or why would he do that? Just to confirm he’s ready?
Actual facts aren't welcome here. Be gone!
That’s supposed to signal that everybody is ready
Great breakdown. Thank you for clearing things up.
I strongly disagree, with no time outs and only fifteen seconds left that you don't risk running another play.
All part of the plan
Im ready for all of the cray babies to say the ref this the refs that. Im pretty sure the refs made the center span the ball early while the raiders had a WOined up wrong
The top ref literally ran onto the field blowing as a dead play, I'm a lions fan so I have no dog in the fight and don't say I'm salty cause lions are the best in the league rn
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@@gitgudnerdz3294He probably assumed it was a false start. That's why he ran like it. He didn't sing no fall. Start with his hands like they usually do when they blow the plate. Dad, but it was pretty much over with it was a fumble recovery.
@will1223141 idk he was running onto the field before the play was over. I know it wouldn't of effected anything I'm just saying refs screwed up
People here are pretending the ref at the top of the screen in this video isn't signaling dead ball immediately. He definitely killed the play before the recovery
Illegal formation and false start share the same hand signals, remember Kadarious Toney in the bills game?
Stop being a homer and look at the facts. And the facts say you're wrong.
"If a whistle blows and the ball is immediately and clearly recovered by a player after the whistle, the play can be ruled a fumble and a recovery."
It helps to know this rule that's been in the official rulebook since 2006.
@@lxUn1c0that's with an ongoing play. This was called false start at the snap so what you cited doesn't apply
@@NWstockoperator It was not called a false start. The referee threw a flag and made the signal for illegal offensive procedure. He then turned to Chris Jones and told him that the penalty was going to be Illegal Formation. After the referees huddled up, the call was changed from Illegal Formation to Illegal Shift, because two players never came set.
Please learn the rules. Please. There is no universe in which the Raiders deserved a free re-do just because YOU got confused about what the Side Judge was doing from your couch.
Why even run another play just kick it smh 🤦🏽♂️
It was 58 yard s genius and the kicker already missed 2
@@angelpadilla6916 It was 49 yards but I agree the correct call is to try and pick up a few more.
The kicker already missed 3 field goals
@@angelpadilla6916except Aiden said they are going to throw it to the sideline. Why even take the risk?
@@angelpadilla6916I think he missed 3 didn’t he?
Waiting for the whiners to explain how this was the referee's fault. (I'm not even a KC fan, I hope they don't win this year. But I'm even less a fan of whining)
Chiefs' injuries just haven't really caught up with them yet.
So what would have happened if he did get the snap and penalty was enforced?
3rd and 8 from the 37 with the time that would have been left on the clock after whatever this play was supposed to be. So, in all likelihood, a 54-yard FG attempt.
@ So definitely not a “no doubter” for Carlson. Thanks for clarification.
Im fed up of hearing: “all credit to the Broncos, all credit to the Raiders, all credit to the Panthers”. Just beat these bad teams convincingly just once, FFS. The chiefs are treading a fine line and I’m getting too stressed watching it. At least my 2nd fave team, the Lions, are fun to watch.
Yea that Bears game was a nail-biter.
lol chiefs fan a lions fan. Bandwagoner
How the HELL can you LINE UP OFFSIDE???? The NOISE made you BLIND???
Why does the guard have to tap the center to snap the call? I don’t get it.
The quarterback is in the shotgun so he can’t signal the center from right behind him. They are playing in the opponent’s stadium, so the home team fans are making as much noise as possible to cause a false start or premature snap. The guard usually looks back at the quarterback, gets the visual signal, then taps the center in order to let him know when to snap the ball.
KICK THE FIELD GOAL On 3rd DOWN!!!!
Bears should have done the same thing yesterday.
I can’t believe NFL coaches are this stupid
The last Vegas haters. New name.
The moment you realise you should have taken up flower arranging as a sport
The script writing is getting interesting
I’m pretty sure when the ending play happened, Tom Grossi’s pen exploded, and ink went all over the script.