Zoom MS-70CDR: the best Rhodes pedal?
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Messing around with the Zoom MS-70CDR pedal for the first time. I play through all the presets!
This pedal really brings the Rhodes to life. It sounds great on synths too! Definitely worth checking out if you want a great pedal for the Rhodes. - เพลง
It’s amazing what a chorus or even a flange effect can do to a Rhodes piano PERIOD! That pedal proves it! Beautiful. Put it on synthesizers? OMG! Like the video.😌🎶🎹❤️👍🏾
Came back to this wonderful video I found some months ago and it´s still so amazing. I got the pedal and it works so wonderful with my Rhodes. I love to use it with my mono synths, too, because it gives them so much warmth and depth.
10 sec of listening, already love it. sounds great. thanks for sharing. I have to try this pedal. as well, you play great. keep going!
Very useful demonstration! Compliments for your playing, your clearness of words and the presentation with a pinch of humor. Thank you for making it!
Fantastic pedal. Great suggestion for my Rhodes MK2.
Beautiful playing and tone on the Rhodes, and the Zoom makes it sound so lush and ambient. 🖤
The effect at 5:50 sold me. I could get lost in that sound for days
Nice demo and Nice playing man ! Thx.
Thanks!
Excellent playing! Love it!
THANKS!!
It is an excellent pedal. Quality-sound-price...can't be beat. Was going to get the NTS-1 but might get another one of these, especially now all the patches for the various versions of this pedal series, have been unlocked.
I agree. I used to use a power-brick driving 4 stomp boxes. There was always with mains buzzing etc...
I have such efx on my Yamaha Reface CP and I love them. I'll buy this pedal to be used on my NE 2. Thx for the video !
Great pedal for guitar and synthesizers as well. With the free update you have about 140 quality effects total. It's a real no brainer to buy one - probably the best value for your money pedal ever made.
The sound and movement at 22:30 is unreal!
I had a MK II stage piano many years ago, and when my band played live, I never used the Rhodes without a DOD Stereo Chorus 565. Flangers and phasers were too extreme for most of what we used the Rhodes for, and the DoD pedal added that ambiance...
Thanks for this..Been shopping for a stereo input multi-fx to use with the Retro Flyer for my MkII. Not sure if you know/remember this, but the Retro Flyer tremolo is STEREO - just need a stereo to dual mono breakout cable to hit both inputs. Cheers.
Just wait until you get in and edit. So many possibilities. And they don't all have to be over the top. You can use 2 delays, 2 chorus, phaser, and reverb, simultaneously, but you can control the mix of each separately, for sounds that are intense yet subtle. Or do a thousand other variations. It's actually pretty hi-fi too.
Ooh, I need to find that delay at 16:35, has a very SNES feel to it that I'd love to play around with.
First of all you playing is so relaxing that I zoned out watching your video. Second It would be cool if you composed a chill out music video using this pedal.
Thanks so much! I’ll consider it for sure!
sounds great!
Really informative. Just bought a Rhodes this year and have been scouring the internet to find good info about what pedals are good with it. Are you planning on making more videos like this?
Ya! I want to make one using the MS-70CDR on the prophet6. It sounds awesome!
@@ToddPentney Awesome. Your playing is beautiful by the way. Excellent stuff, glad to see a longer video review like this. looking forward to more!
@@HermanHiltsman Also, check out my Instagram if you want: @hifi.lo I do lots of playing and more frequent posts on there.
If you plan to buy this pedal but you have a passive rhodes (stage and 54 models), beware that the pedal wants a line level input! It sounds terribly noisy and distorted if you run a passive input directly into it. The best choice would of course be a nice preamp, but I went for a cheap Mooer Pure Boost pedal, and it actually works pretty fine as well
This is an excellent point! Should have mentioned I was using the retro flyer preamp in this vid. I think a boost pedal is a great solution.
I use mine with low output guitar pickups all the time and it sounds great. What’s the average output for a passive rhodes? (if it works like that)
@LWmusik Dude, where are getting your information from? The Zoom is a standard guitar pedal. It is not designed to need a line level input. Guitars are passive instrument level output. I use it with passive guitars and line level synths, and my passive output Hohner Pianet T electric piano, and it works just fine with no noise.
@@darwinsaye I actually think mine is broken... It distorts very easily and also has a very high noise floor, so there is no sweetspot for the input gain. I haven't used it since writing that comment almost a year ago.
@@ToddPentneyYou kinda do say this by saying that you go straight from the preamp to the pedal.
I got to say I like your playing.
16:49 - sounds like the 'psycho rhodes' preset in the old Roland JV1080/2080 rack synths.
Love the Herbie Hancock segment!🔥
Still not getting warm with my JV-1080 😢. When I turn on my Korg M3R it instantly touches me, but the JV kinda leaves me cold.
@@johanneschristopherstahle3395
I sold mine years ago. Very stupid firmware when using multi-timbral mode from what I recall.
Wow, I love your playing. Got any chill titles i can look up on spotify?
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@@ToddPentney Nice 😁👍
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Hey ! I see your video after i order one, it just confirm that it's a pretty good option, congrats for the way you play on Rhodes piano. It should be fine on my mk1
Hey! Congrats on getting the pedal.. I think you will love it! And I think it will be great on your mark I. Please consider subscribing to my channel as I’m going to be making more videos like this. Thanks!
@@ToddPentney done ;-)
Just received my pedal, working great. I added Fender Amps modeled from the ms50g on it, if you're interesting, let's me know;-)
@@rv73keys65 I'd love to hear that! I was looking at that pedal too!
@@ToddPentney I can provide the Custom firmware i made. I inclued the bassman , maybe the one in prefer on my Rhodes. firmware installation is very easy ! email me rv.73keys@@@@gmail.com
AWESOME!
Hmmm, I will have to try it on my Rhodes. Crusaders @ 12:00 ? I recommend the Xvive Undulator for analog tremolo, Hotone Choir for analog chorus, and the Hotone Roto for nice analog rotary.
It's Butterfly by Herbie Hancock. I do love me some Crusaders though! I'll check out those pedals for analog options. Thanks for the suggestions!
I use a Neunaber Immerse stomp.
Really intense clip.. Actually i was interested in such a pedal to pair with my cp70 and prophet 08... After a long time chasing to a MD effects High Tide I finally succedeed in finding one in japan, which I immediatly purchased... only to find out it doesn't fit too well to keyboards... I would say that now it would be worthwhile to try the zoom, if only for the excellent price /promises ratio..😉
The price is hard to beat! Like I said in the video. It's a great starting point.
Yep, really great pair with a fend Rhodes... wonder if it could work on my cp70..
Yup, I think that would sound great actually.
Great review! You have a stage Mark II, right? So what preamp are you using? You say it has a built in tremolo, is it an stereo output ? (although only one jack in the input of the pedal)...
Because I have a retroflyer stereo preamp (stereo tremolo built in) and looking for some effects that don't kill the stereo output...
Thnx in advance!
In this case I just used a mono out of the retroflyer. I’ve always liked Rhodes tremolo in mono. Just a personal thing. If i was using a keyboard/synth that sounds better in stereo I would probably run stereo in. The ms-70cdr knows when it’s getting a mono Input so I think both would sound great.
Yes, it’s a Stage Mark II .
Edit my question, I watched the full video, and now I know you are using a retroflyer as well!!, you say the tremolo is mono... but is actually stereo going out from the reteoflyer... does it make sense?
@@ToddPentney we just crossed messages ; -)
Ok, now I see it clear. I like the stereo tremolo from retroflyer, but will try with the zoom as well, because I just ordered one !!🤩🤪
Thanks , I'm pretty new to rhodes coming from synths, so this is a new whole acoustic world for me!
@ Ya, I might be wrong depending if the retro flyer signal sums to mono or just isolates one side.. but I assume if you use a TS instrument cable from the retro you're just getting one side of the the stereo output (which just sounds like a regular mono tremolo to my ears). You could use a TRS cable on the retro flyer to a dual TS adaptor at the multistomp end. Then you'd be getting the analog stereo tremolo in all it's glory. But I think at the end of the day. If it sounds sounds good, it is good! I don't know if I'd be able to tell the difference between an analog stereo trem or one generated in the multistomp. It's definitely worth checking it out though.
Nice man !
Its a Mono sound ?
Mono in from Rhodes. Stereo out.
11.46. I thought your playing is good, then you played this and I nearly had an heart attack. wow. really nice. thanks for the info and inspiration
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@21:45 WOW ! i bought the pedal because of this sound
It gets here in 2 days! Do you remember which setting number this was? lol can't wait
@@jeuxdeau2009 Congrats! It's a great pedal. I was just scrolling through the presets. It's definitely one of the factory settings though!
@@ToddPentney By chance do you remember which amp you were using? Did you run it through Studio monitors or through an amp for this video?
@@jeuxdeau2009 I'm using an Avion Retro Flyer Rhodes preamp and you're hearing direct audio into the DAW through a UAD interface using the API channel strip. All that it doing is adding a but of compression. A small cut at 150hz and at 7k. But every Rhodes is different and these setting could easily be replicated in the pedal itself or in the DAW you're monitoring through.
@@ToddPentney Perfect ,,Thank you for responding !
Kind of reminds me of the Strymon Blue Sky.
Question...
If I’m using Keyscape with a USB cable to track into a DAW or standalone recorder (i.e., TASCAM unit), where/how does this integrate into the signal chain?
Btw, REALLY nice review! And great chops, too!
You'll have to route an FX send or audio output from the Keyscape channel to a physical audio output on your audio interface. Then record it back into the DAW through your audio interface inputs (preferably stereo). You could also set it up as a FX send. I've never done this but it can be done.
is there a tremolo on the pedal ? i heard you in the beginning say you used the one on rhodes ...so are there any modulation effects on the pedal?
i just prayed ....i wish our brother todd didnt keep fooling with the rhodes tremelo...i'm misled to whether i'm hearing rhodes effects or zoom...aw man!!
@@PatrickGregoryDaniels the pedal definitely has tremolo that probably sounds as good (if not better) as the built in Rhodes tremolo. I’ll keep that in mind for future videos! I reach for the Rhodes tremolo sometimes without even thinking. Muscle memory.
Also, on any of the lush pads I am probably intuitively turning off the Rhodes tremolo. Getting the same sound should be as simple as adding a tremolo fx to the first slot on the MS70-CD-R.
I just bought the zoom 50 instead of the 70. Im going to see if I can use the hack to load the 70 effects on the 50. Hopefully bro...I got it for 80 bucks
What you think?
What is the playstyle/genre you’re playing? I would love to know because i would love to find a long video of only (solo) Rhodes playing this type of sound so i can sleep
How did you amplify your rhodes? Do the MS70CDR amps work well with the rhodes? Thanks in advance :)
Depends. For live amplification I prefer to use a guitar amp with clear low end (Fender Twin is great) or just a nice powered monitor for a cleaner sound. Recording is different. I usually just record direct in. I'm using the Retro Flyer preamp (Avion Studios). In this example I'm running straight into my UAD audio interface from the preamp. No amp. A lot of people prefer to grab the audio straight off the harp inside the Rhodes because it can help reduce noise. But that isn't always necessary either. I think running the MS-70CDR for various amp FX direct is a great option. Another option would be to record it completely dry and then apply amp modelling using plugins in your DAW.
@@ToddPentney thanks for the reply! I'm thinking about selling my Korg SV-1 and getting a Rhodes MK1 instead, but I'm not sure if it'd be worth all the effort considering I'd need a proper multi-fx unit or pedalboard plus a clean sounding amp (adding about 1k to the total cost). I'm not a pro musician and mainly play synths through active studio monitors. I've heard that power mixers can work with a Rhodes too, but mine (Soundcraft Signature 22 MTK) has some noisy amps...
@@ToddPentney the Boss ME-80 looks like another good option, especially due to the knobby interface
@@konradhausmann6359 I always recommend getting the real thing.. but the right instrument is always what you will get the most use out of. A Rhodes is a one trick pony. But a good Digital keyboard might be more useful. Like a Nord, Great organs, Pianos, synths and Rhodes. Still not as good as a real Rhodes but way more useful overall. And most people won't be able to tell the difference. If you enjoy playing the real thing that's the best reason to get a Rhodes. Also consider Software instruments. Keyscapes by spectrasonics has some fantastic sounding Rhodes Mk1, Mk2 and some modern Rhodes by Vintage Vibe, Wurlys, CP70s and Pianos.. Again different than the real thing.. but sometimes I reach for a software instrument before the real Rhodes because they've been recorded a specific way. Sometimes people prefer the samples Rhodes over the real thing.
@@konradhausmann6359 my rhodes sounds fantastic through the Joyo American Sound pedal which is like 30 bucks. killer pairing
I could just watch you play for hours, yk maybe you should 👀
Thanks Omar! I'll have to make more then... Maybe prophet 6 will be next?
@@ToddPentney yessss
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Gee, for 90GBP it's a steal?!
what kind of amp do you use ?
I have the retroflyer preamp installed on this Rhodes. Straight into my audio interface and monitoring on headphones.
what would happen if you played a guitar thru this?
That's what it's originally meant for, so I think that good things would happen
It’s literally the cornerstone of my guitar pedalboard. The first pedal I bought and I find new sounds inside everyday
do some music for us
i like to listen to ya😊
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What Rhodes is this please?
Mark II with a RetroFlyer preamp.
@@ToddPentney thanks I'm going to try and get that sound, I have a Kronos, and will try software, but its just what im after.
love your playing you should put more up, where are you based? I'm Cornwall UK. sounds like you like the same music as us.
just got it spot on, and its called Herbie's Butterfly EP on the Korg Kronos, to be fair, yours still sounds better, but I recon 90% is the effects and the other 10% is the Rhodes Samples not as good as the real thing. o yeh and obviously your playing is better. cool though. thanks again, I'm now going through my two favourite versions learning to play the tune. The Other being Azymuth
hi todd
sup matt?
not much just missin u
miss you lots too
14:50 I know that song. Can’t for the life of me remember it. What is it? Great demo.
Edit: Finally remembered. Prince - I Wanna Be Your Lover (th-cam.com/video/Rp8WL621uGM/w-d-xo.html)
Nailed It!
Vibrato not tremolo.
Uh no, he was right. Vibrato modulates pitch, tremolo modulates amplitude (volume).
@@timtsistinas Tremolo is the repeated sounding of a single musical note regardless of volume.
@@mojooftheg5961 nope
@@timtsistinas Yep :)
@@mojooftheg5961 ooooh so delay is ACTUALLY tremolo! Wow, I had no idea! 🙄