Dividing the Middle East - The Great Loot - Extra History - Part 1
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- 📜 History of Dividing the Middle East: The Great Loot - Way back in one of our first Extra History series, on the beginning of World War I, we talked about how at the end of the war the victorious powers carved up the Middle East-men in drawing rooms deciding the fate of peoples they did not understand, and in some cases, lands they had never visited.
This is the story of how that came to happen, a tale of revolts, secret treaties, betrayal, a struggle for homelands, and a British counterinsurgency operation in Iraq.
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I shudder to think about how many magnificent mustaches they had to draw for this episode.
Well there is still more...
More marvellous moustaches then a Mario game
But you can can never get enough
I counted 126 mustaches from non narrators. But that doesn’t count uniqueness.
yes
Ah yes... Arguably the biggest "What could possibly go wrong?"-Moment in History.
WW1? Yeah.
Who knew there were so many billions of barrels of oil there???
And probably the main reason why the Middle East is as fucked up as it is right now. AlternateHistoryHub did a great video about how it was probably the worst possible outcome for the region.
That would be the scramble for Africa
@@Carewolf I meant the Sykes-Picot-Agreement. But WW1 arguably qualifies too.
Arabs: NOOOOOO!!! You can't just draw lines on a map totally ignoring cultural and religious differences!
England and France: Hehe pen go scribble
Except the problem with the lines weren't that that they ignored cultural and religious differences, the problem was that the line was drawn in the first place. They divided the Arab world into different countries when the people living there wanted unity.
معرفة و ترفيه I didn't really take time to think but uniting the middle east could have been even worse since there are many minorities. I personally thinks that it should have been a confederal or federal states (however with different borders for each state respecting ethnicity)
Africans, SE Asians:
First time?
@@معرفةوترفيه-ت2ظ can't have a United Arab state. And honestly I doubt it will ever exist, not with Iran, Saudi Arabia, israel, turkey will jocking now
@@معرفةوترفيه-ت2ظ
at the time, as many people wanted independence as unity... Bedouins didn't want to live with Arabs, who didn't want to live with Turks, Shi'ite didn't want to live with the Sunni. The Levant was having a competition for the highest number of sects and clans, that wanted their own state, per square kilometre... The Kurds thought that this time, finally, it's their time to shine. Persia thought that they should rule the peninsula and the holy sites, which really pissed off the Egyptians who were disliked by the clans that would become Saudis... And that's just the major splits off the top of my head, I'm sure I forgot quite a few. Pan-Arabism had an enthusiastic minority, but they were a minority, one that was really distrusted by all the other religious and ethnic groups.
So yeah, the entente carved up the Middle East for their own benefit; but it's not like there was a unified movement opposing them.
“The Ottoman Empire was not the sick man of Europe.”
*_spends 4 minutes explaining why the Ottoman Empire was weak_*
directly and immediately after he said that line too
It seems that if there was only one sick man in Europe, it was probably Austria Hungary, but if there are two, then the Ottoman's are too
Yeah that take is bad. The Ottoman decline like a sick man, was something that took a long time. See battles in the 1500.
The Ottomans were already in severe decline by 1800. France sent an army to occupy Egypt, and the Ottomans had to call in the British to kick them out. And two decades after that, they effectively lost Egypt to one of their own generals, and had to rely on Britain again to prevent this rebellious general from seizing the rest of the Ottoman Arab lands. And this is after the Great Powers blew up the Ottoman navy to guarantee Greek independence. The Ottomans were already a political football long before the mid 1800s.
It’s good for historians to re-examine previous thoughts. And we should not think historical events like fall do Ottoman Empire was inevitable. However it doesn’t mean we should ignore the big issues Ottoman Empire had.
And so we begin the treaty that would turn the Middle East into a bloody battlefield for the next century.
Edit: Dang, most likes I ever got acomment, thank you for the likes and replies.
The Middle East has always been a bloody battlefield. It usually takes oppressive regimes to keep it peaceful.
How is your comment 23 hours old yet the video is only a couple of minutes?
How the... 23 hours?!?
Turn that’s a joke right
@@diogoandre756 it wouldn't even make sense for minutes
Arabs: You are gonna honor your promise and give us our own country, right?
Britain: Well yes, but actually no.
*Replace Arabs with any other imperialized ethnic group*
i wonder why anyone trusted britain the same shit happened inside india too lmao
I’m Arab, and honestly, they deserve it for betrayal, and for becoming allies for the sake of some gold for a few people
@@muksimulmaad7413 there was a guy named Şerif Hüseyin,he was a descendet of Prophet Muhammed's family and became governor of Mecca after Abdülhamid lost the throne.Abdülhamid knew that guy would try to use his ancestory to convince people he must be the king but Young Turks didn't listen.
At WW1 the opportunity Hüseyin wanted came and that idiot helped the British and then some idiot Arabs betrayed the Ottomans just because of that guy.
@@amtahboub The Great Arab revolt was necessary, the Ottomans became too oppressive for the local Arab population.
"If you see two fishes fighting in the river, know that a long legged Englishman has just passed from there!"
that's a good quote- where's it from?
Who say that?
Yeah
@@htoodoh5770 It's an Irish saying i think.
@@htoodoh5770 i believe its an old saying of the first nations
As Alternate History Hub puts it: the events that out the Middle East on the darkest timeline.
Not really, the middle east have known much much worse. Think about the Mongol Empire and the Timurid Empire. They literaly burned and killed people en mass. 100ds of towns became totally depopulated.
@@zackamor8043 well you you are right but isn't really relevant or anything.
@@svenkobus4356 it was relevant af back then. Despite how bad that was, they recovered. what is the difference now?
@@svenkobus4356 What you see right now was going to happen anyway. Arabs are greedy and were never fully unified. Each arab province even during the reign of the caliphates had autonomy and cultivated their own cultures with their own different baggage of history. There is no way that some so called desdendant of a prophet from Medina could lead a whole swat of land from Yemen and Oman and Egypt and the Levant and Sham till the present day borders of Turkey.
I'm not minimizing what those French and British politicians did, all i'm saying is that the middle east was never going to remain a unified block. Instead, new different countries would form. What it would have definetly have stopped was the formation of Israël through mass migration of so called Jews to Palestine which was allowed by the British.
@@svenkobus4356 how isnt it relevant all of history is relevant next you'll be saying the napoleonic wars are irrelevant,the mongols spread out Islam and that then lead to the different types of Islam.People constantly blame the British not realising that the later governments after they became independent could've stopped what is happening,but no they persuaded more hatred in their countries by trying to suppress them.
British in 1916: “Whoops! It seems that drawing lines dividing communities causes conflict in the region.”
British in 1947: “I’ll feckin’ do it again”
Jinnah demanded a seperate state for the muslims, the British didn't mind whether India was divided into 2 or 3 states or united.
@@slowerthinker Indians love blaming the British for this (while continuing to hate Pakistan).
@@slowerthinker Yeah, but they did mess around with regions who had no business belonging to the other. Like the famous Ferozpur
Empire at it's finest
Yes you can really draw lines around Muslim Sunni, Shia, Christian groups lf all kinds, Jewish subdivisions, Samaritans, Mandieans, Druze, Alawite, Yezidi...oh and Kurds, can't forget about cheese.
British: 'promises land and independence to the Arabs'
also the British: 'well yes but actually no'
Arabs: "say sike right now"
British: "Sykes-Picott agreement"
Arabs: "Not that Sike!"
Brilliant
😂😂😂
Exactly
British: 'promises land and independence to the Jews.'
also the British: 'well yes but actually no'
British: *gives weapons to those who murder Jews and confiscates the weapons of the Jews instead of keeping the order in their territory.*
*There is still a war in the holy land for about 100 years*
@@tomertsoran2144 or as a British politician ones said " we sold the same horse twice "
Ima just draw this line here, I see no problem!
foresight, something empires lacked...
The Mythical Mr.Kraken European empires you mean, some empire’s could do it
Divide and rule.
It was a feature, not a bug. Divide people up from their original tribal loyalties, cause them to fight amongst themselves so they can never unite and challenge European supremacy.
@@Broodborn
Pretty much it, really. Even if they did try to understand the people.
Alot of the longer lasting empires did.
The Ottomans, the Persians, the Byzantines, and many others did have foresight that kept them stable and strong for years.
It's when they loose the foresight that let them to greatness and let them hold it when issues start to crop up.
“I’ll just draw this line through here, it’s my land now, and it not like this land is gonna stop being my mine or anything, what could go wrong”
narrator : "everything goes wrong"
Levo?
'So we'll draw a line here in the middle of the desert, ignoring all tribal boundaries 'cos we own this place anyway so I don't really see it being a problem. Can I please have a sandwich?'
Well as much as people complain that they didn’t look at ethnic lines and stuff like that, Europe also had countries that had control not over ethnic lines. France for example controls Occitan regions, Italy has several regional differences etc. The problem comes in when an empire collapses, violence always follows. As we see in the video, these tensions were already built up before France and Britain took the Middle East. Ethnic and religious tensions were there, but when the colonial empires left, no one was there to keep these tensions down.
@@garabic8688 People give Britain flak about dividing the middle-east along arbitrary lines, but people also complain that Britain divided India among religious lines.
oil:is found in the ottoman empire
American "religious" tourist NOTE THAT DOWN NOTE THAT DOWN
hey they WERE religious tourists, on a pilgrimage for their gods: Capital and Oil
@@ArcMedicalResearch Reminds me of a line from a mercenary in an unrelated comic:
"Even in the heart of a religious revolution our god was still green."
ArcMedicalResearch you actually make a good point if that wasn’t European as fuck
Let me help you out with the template
Oil: Is found in the Ottoman Empire
American "religious" tourists: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
there were waay more british, why do you depict the americans?
"One man named T. E. Lawrence..."
*Me:* AS THE DARKNESS FALLS AND ARABIA CALLS!!!!!!
XD
ONE MAN SPREADS HIS WINGS, AS THE BATTLE BEGINS!!
Maybe we should wait with that until next episode...
Funnily enough Sabaton uploaded their live performance of Seven Pillars of Wisdom almost simultaneously
And I only see Indy Neidell when I read T. E. Lawrence
I am a little bit conflicted on the choice of skin color of the Abdulhamid the Second because I have seen his photo, he is whiter than an Englishmen. Not to mention, Turks are mostly white as well and even some Arabs under the ottomans could be considered white, not brown-ish.
*@The Narrator.* LOL, always bringing up skin color as if it's that important. It seems that it is the only _currency_ left to inflate the typical European ego-centrism, it also seems that there are only two things you measure human qualities with, pigmentation and the size of banks accounts. Dear God.
I noticed that a lot, the color he's using is closer to the Indians skin's color not Arabs, for example Amin Al Husseini a Palestinian leader who allied with the Germans in WW2 to support him against the Jews, he met Hitler he was whiter than him, in general Arabs are olive tanned, like other Mediterraneans not that much of brown.
He looked pretty tanned
Not whiter than an Englishmen but not as dark as this for sure, and yes Middle East is colored way too dark, even the Christians.
Thank you, @The Narrator. I just noticed and commented the same thing.
nothing like good ol' imperial powers drawing straight lines because it looks nicer on a map without a care for the consequences (see: Africa)
In the words of John Oliver: When the lines are squiggly, the people get squiggly!
*slaps line*
this makes aboslute sense and will never cause any damage.
but really, hindsight is 20/20
Those straight lines run through the Arabian Desert, not many people living there. Also when the borders were finalized they were not ruler straight, they asked the various bedouin tribes who roamed the desert wjere their tribal alliances lay and assigned borders based on their oasis. Not mere arbitrary lines on a map.
It’s only really in the Sahara which is understandable cause no natural bounderies
@@adamlavoie4524
CITATION NEEDED.
CITATION NEEDED.
CITATION NEEDED.
I noticed a lie: The Ottomans threw in with the central powers, yet they show a ottoman Soldier shaking hands with a Frenchman
its an austrian
It's explained in 5:40... well, not exactly. Britain was still currying favor with the Ottomans (most notably by building a series of dreadnoughts for them).
And yes, the Germans were also doing so. That and Pan-Turkic nationalism propelled the Ottomans into war.
@@flaviusvector1543 no it's not
Its called Mistake,not Lie....
@@poke-champ4256 You're new to this channel, aren't you?
Is Three Million a lot?
Winston Churchill: It depends on the context. British lives, yes, Indian lives, no.
funny, but not fully relevant
Poor indians :(
Ishir Mehra will be revelant after a few episodes if we see ottoman army stuckwiping british indian army
@Zahin Shahazad
what, i'm not a brit.
f*ck churchill though
Is this like a personal attack or something?
T.E. Lawrence: Mentioned
My Mind: “SEVEN PILLARS OF WISDOM LIGHTS THE FLAME”
I may have listened to too much Sabaton while in isolation.
Lmao
TAFLIAH MADINA DAMASCUS CALLS!
Same.
@@bigchap5794 SABOTAGE! DEMOLISH THE BRIDGES TO DUST!
@@abhinath1260 AS THE DARKNESS FALLS AND ARABIA CALLS
It's really a minor thing but why is this channel convinced that people in Greece or Anatolia are as dark as people in Somalia?
That olive complexion is hard to give to a cartoon.
well, to nitpick, somalis are generally darker than this so
Anyway i agree with the sentiment. I wonder why they consistently do this. Im not sure they realize what tropes they play into with it. Like, we have art depicting these people. They shouldve used a broader range with this representing the darker people. And no, olive isnt hard to do in cartoons.
@@seancampbell6292 you just paint em green
@@allseeingcctv2760 they're Greeks, not orcs.
@@seancampbell6292 I died here 😂
We call the complexion of Greece, the Balkans and the Levant as wheat complexion 😅
8:57 there is an error here : the Ottoman is doing his pact with a Frenchman, not a German
That's Field Marshall Conrad of Austria-Hungry.
@@thomasrinschler6783 Never seen Conrad von Hötzendorf wearing a French kepi.
@@ArkadiBolschek Just googled it you can see pictures of him wearing a blue uniform like that
@@thomasrinschler6783 He's not austrian because he is the same man from when France and Britain divide the pie at the beginning I think they made a mistake here
@@magnemerstrand2289 yeah but the kepi is typically a french kepi like Petain's for exemple
America: Were isolationist.
Also America: Oil you say?
We're *
America stopped being isolationist in 1898
@@adnanchinisi7871 r/whoooosh
mark ujevich You have to understand that America wasn’t busy with oil stuff, once they had a deal with the Saudi’s it was enough for the US Government. That kinda changed after the Soviets fell, we tried to influence the middle east and let’s say that Bush didn’t do it very well.
They did it after WW1 though.
To be fair, consider how many popular consensus at the time see it as miserable and pointless along with Wilson not being that rosy (I mean he is certainly authoritarian despite his 14 points plan, but Cynical Historian see it as somewhat self serving and he also didn’t follow its idea in case of Armenia).
Why are many Turks in the video depicted so much "darker" skin colour wise than it should have been
is anything wrong with that?
@@hypersp3ce596 No, like there is nothing wrong with drawing the Zulus like Norsemen
They look similar to Greeks lol
@ They maybe mixed but most have majority turkic genes that I'm certain of.
All the Turks I’ve met are not as dark skinned as this depiction
the moral of the story "NEVER TRUST THE BRITISH "
Never trust the west
Yes
The Sykes-Picot agreement is why so many people from the Middle-East and even North Africa are now in Europe and are still going there.
Well, in the case of Africa it was earlier, in the scramble (1883 Berlin Congress).
Saif Center Its not “Europeans” it’s just the French and the British. It’s also the Arabs’ fault for trusting them.
I think many historians, myself included, have a miss interpretation of the expression sick man of Europe when referring to the Ottoman Empire. That Empire was sick in the sense that where European Empires could muster modern troops (to early 20th century tech) and expand the Ottoman Empire could not. Their power was contained and unlike the German Empire who was also contained they have little technical innovation when compared to the first
My impression is that the Ottoman Empire was economically and financially weak. It could hardly stand on its own.
As for military - a modern military required a modern economy, industry, railroads, and infrastructure --- none of which it had.
Britain had already taken Egypt (by foreclosing on it). France had colonized Algeria. So, yes it was sick. Very sick.
Time to kill the patient.
@@craigkdillon Still healthy enough to outlive its ancient rivals Imperial Russia and Austria- Hungary though
@@nayeemhaider8367 Both Imperial Russia and the Austro-Hungarian Empire were considered backwards and sick respectively as well. Russia was only feared due to its immense resources, while the AH's were just a joke.
Why did you draw the Turks like Ethiopoans?
They didn't. I've been to Ethiopia.
Ethiopians are much darker. These people look like many African-Americans who have in general around 30% European ancestry. But this channel has issues of thinking Middle-Easterns are generic brown.
Sara Samaletdin lmao, the only reason you think these people generally look like african americans is because media overrpresents lighter shades, and generally more ‘mixed’ african americans
- an african american
Chillin' Afro americans them selves are actually mixed raced. Only refugees that arrived yesterday from Sudan are actually black. Check up the genetic make up of Afro Americans you will be surprised. Even white people in america aren’t fully white.
Sara Samaletdin yes also the sharif hussain doesn’t look like that
Europeans drawing borders:Rectangles
United States: HMMM YESS
africa: shame
African "States" enters the chat
Moth Moth Yeah. Now everything is Rekt and the politics entangled
@@TheGetout04 It's not like africans drew those borders themselves.
Video is great but Turkish people (as long as I know) have more lighter skin color.
Right .
@Tyler Durden That's right! Even because a large portion of the Turkish population descends from ancient Greek colonists of Asia Minor.
True the Turks I’ve met are not as dark skinned
@@PedroAguiar more from asian nomads
Did you actually look at Abdülhamid's portrait? He isnt brown like its shown here.
Yeah,for some reason they drew all the Turks like Arabs or Africans.
Bilimin Sırları Many arabs dont even look like that
Well I mean some skin colors are hard to draw
@@chillin5703 True, i think only Bedouins and Gulf Arabs are this dark.
Also sharif Hussain isn’t brown
"America ruined the middle east!"
Britain, France, and the Ottomans: "Allow us to introduce ourselves."
The dividing line in that regard was the 1956 Suez Crisis. Up until that point, Britain and France had done imperialism as usual in the Middle East. Then, their inability to punish Egypt for its nationalization of the Suez Canal while simultaneously resisting American and Soviet demands to back off showed them that their time as imperial powers was over. Thus Britain and France withdrew, and the Middle East became another proxy war playground of the Cold War.
1)Ottomans didn't ruin it.
2)USA joined the war and caused Ottomans to lose,Germans were winning and Russia was dead and Ottomans with Britain was at a stalemate at Northern Syria so its their fault too.
3)After France and UK left USA caused instability in the region to prevent Soviet infulence and amde anti communist terrorist groups.
what the ottomans did ?
Please do more seasons of WW1, it’s in my opinion the most important event in modern history
That's a sad reality. I don't disagree, it's just that there really isn't that great an explanation for why ww1 even happened beyond a ton of conflicting agreements between European nations and pointless almost directionless nationalism.
@@Kobolds_in_a_trenchcoat that was a inevitable
That is not a opinion it a fact
T E Lawrence. Honestly one of the most interesting people of the 20th century, who's death even has some conspiracy about it! Can't wait to see the rest of the episodes!
AH. The middle east. The land of straight lines because a British gentleman always uses a ruler.
What did Bismarck once said? That he did not know how or when the next conflict would begin, but that he was certain it would be for a damn mess on the Balkans?
Well, it seems today we can say the same for the Middle East. I don't know if we are going to have a conflict as big because of it, but it surely has already sparked many, and it will keep doing in the forseable future.
And it all began here.
JohnnyElRed There’s a cold war in the middle east, and we kinda pulled oil by it by removing the dictatorship of Sadamm. The intension was to be good, but the greed for power in the middle east was too much for it to succeed
@@JohnSmith-oe5rx As the old saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
JohnnyElRed I doubt it’ll be big like in the last 2 World Wars. Bismarck lived in an era before nukes.
The people of the Middle East will suffer, yes, but the conflict won’t necessarily spill away.
Though again, it’s not the fault of empires that the Balkans and Middle East were the way they are. It’s the fault of the people. I may sound too condescending here, but the people of the Balkans are always seeking at each other’s throat even after their independence from the Ottomans. Their Russian and Austrian liberators can’t do anything about that, and any attempt by outside powers to reconcile them ends in bigger conflict. Archduke Ferdinand, for example, presented a favorable front against the Serbs, yet he was killed by a Serb fanatic.
So, how would I describe the people of the Middle East today? Too much driven by ethnicity and religion where every slight against their person is directed as a religious or ethnic problem. They are also too easily fooled by demagogues who pointed at external problems as their enemy, yet in fact the problem was within their own in the first place. In their mind, everything that’s wrong with them is the fault of the heathens like America, Russia, or Israel. It’s attitude like these that made Russia, America, and Israel laugh at them. While that’s partly true, the people in that region also forgot that they too are the problem as well.
I mean, seriously, with the natural resources that the Arab nations have, they should have destroyed Israel 40-50 years ago. Even with the region split between America and Russia, they still could have unite to punish that one foe, yet they’re too busy fighting amongst themselves. CIA might have helped with that, but even they can’t make a region erupt in violence had there was no problem for them to stoke. All they just did is push them further.
Constantinople
Haven't heard of that name for a long time
Colorful Meta4 nice I know the song
@Colorful Meta4 heh, nice
1:14 what could possibly go wrong? " 100 year's later" , 'oh I see:
I wish I had a time machine. I would like to go back in time and kick the gentlemen who made this deal in the nuts
Go back 10 seconds and you see a Walpole
The British are the masters at drawing straight lines through sand without a care in the world
glad to see you are healthy dear leader!
Griffin Gasink I can agree with that sentiment dear leader
Shut up Kim Jong-un, you're dead :v
They learned from the Spanish and Portuguese: The 1494 Treaty of Tordesillas started this whole imaginary line drawing habit, only in this case they drew it on water.
Notification be like:
Italy has declared war against the Ottomans
England has declared war against the Ottomans
Russia has declared war against the Ottomans
France has declared war against the Ottomans
America has declared war against the Ottomans
Arabia has declared war against the Ottomans
8:22 Hussain, the Sharif of Mecca was not the desendent of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH as he had no sons. Instead, Hussain was from the lineage of his cousin Ali of the Rashindun Caliphate.
Britain: *Break their promise*
Arabs: dude, so uncool
THE COMMUNIST CHANNEL sad but fact
Britain and France dividing borders in the middle east: I am not too good at this. But it doesnt matter.
They were no better in Africa...
Don’t forget Eastern Europe
@@millardwashington6216 Britain and France didn't split Eastern Europe, russia and Germany did. In 1772, 1793, 1795, 1814, 1815, 1831, 1846, 1864, 1914, 1920, 1939, 1945, 1968, 1989, 1991, 2008, then from 2014 and still ongoing.
Nothing’s ever simple with the Middle East huh?
Cause of the British... as usual
No you both know why ask your prophet
Well it is in the middle of the east
In all honesty Muslim leadership keeps fucking up, first the British oppressed the Jews so they fought the Muslims and the British and then they made their own state. All Muslim countries declared war and they ended up with a huge state, and they oppressed the Muslims back lol.
catcharide56 nope
In other news: Britain has been accused of using Empire to do a small amount of trolling with people's lives
We engaged in a minor amount of Shaboingery
I don't understand one thing about the video...
Why Ottomans have Brown skin color?
*it's amazing how the ottomans decriminalized homosexuality so early in history 1858* 3:17
Young turk revolution is the reason why we went in ww1 and consequently made armeanians suffer. Nationalist thoughts hurt us and our neighbours and it's wounds are still fresh as we cant get chill with any single one of our neighbours
I think you kinda play up how tolerant the Empire actually was. It was tolerant of its administrative states, yes, but non-Muslims were not treated well - they had significantly reduced property rights, couldn't establish new houses of worship and their testimony was worth less than a Muslim. Compared to Medieval Europe, this is tolerant true. But to post-Enlightenment Europe, it's religious discrimination and shouldn't be swept under the rug.
Also the armenian genocide is just skimmed through
The Ottoman Empire was a good example of how "old dogs still bites".
Why is AbdulHamid II so dark?
With so much internal intrigues and outside pressure, the Ottomans lost all of their territory creating power vacuums in the the Balkans, middle east, caucuses and North Africa. The power grabs led to so many wars and the conflicts can still be felt today.
how the hell did the Brits get involved in so much crap globally. it's beyond the belief!
The British Empire had a rule that their navy had to be as big as the next two biggest navies put together. They had the means
As well as that the East India Company was wildly successful and brought a LOT of money back to England. So they had motivation
As a Turk, I can say that he pronounces "Abdülhamit" really good.
ona araplar karar verir
The moustaches in this episode are glorious.
"Young Turks" Sounds like Rap group
except turkey turkey makes a brand new turkey
Why all of them are brown? Like really most of the Ottoman Army Generals were actually European looking. These characters look more of an Arab or Kurdish rather than a Turk.
The saying goes: Whenever there is a conflict, a British should be close.
Also those artificially created borders by the British and French will soon collapse, because the levante is not in its habitat form and the people longe for the unification
nah you must be smoking some hard crack there brother to believe that. Even if some of these groups were united, they can't stand on their own as nations and when you bunch them up together, they will fight each other over minor religious/ethnic disputes and supremacy. The only thing that can unify them is a Caliphate of sorts but that's not going to happen since the last Caliphate was crushed not that long ago and wasn't particularly ''good'' in the modern sense of the world.
good luck with that lol
It is more likely for China to recognize Taiwan as a country rather than a Unification in the middle east
Well the states are definitely unstable. Egypt is stable, since its people have a clear identity as Egyptian.
But, Libya may fall apart. Syria may fall apart. Lebanon? who knows. Iraq may fall apart. Yet, Mesopotamia is an ancient region, with an ancient identity, so it might survive.
IMO, Islam has lost its power as a unifying force because of all the violence done in its name.
If you actually talk to Muslims, you will find that many have lost faith in it.
They don't accept the intolerant extreme and violent form being promoted by the Wahabbist Saudi Regime. The peaceful forms of Islam are marginalized. Hence, in the US and Europe, a high percentage of "Muslims" are now practicing Christians, Atheists, and Agnostics.
jakeera 1995 don’t forget russia
4:08 seems like the term "sick man of europe" was accurate for those times.
@erick meyer idk if your wooshing or not. If so then its a good one. If not then to clarify:
I meant that the ottoman empire was the sick man (in a state of decline) in the late 19th century. Not any specific person being sick in the litteral meaning
@@rayNotGlorious its not woosh if i called it...
@erick meyer if you think how wise and healthy place Austrio Hungarian empire was ... you can understand how desperate they was.
@@Pavlos_Charalambous roblox *OOOF* sound
How are the ottomen so dark? It makes me hard to believe the animation, turks are as dark as south Italians and Greeks and no-one had that dark of a skin. Sadly inmigration wasn't popular back then so not even that can be an excuse
the Europeans took a map and just drew on it without looking into how they were cutting of tribes and peoples.
Yaqub The British didn’t give a shit, but guess who’s paying the price? America is, Britain isn’t even full on dealing with the issue anymore since they’re not as powerful.
Business as usual.
Imperialism 101: divide and cover
@@SpoopySquid *conquer
Couldn't you draw Turks more and more darker?
this channel makes the ottoman look like arabia and does not reflect the facts
So Extra Credits when will we see anything that fully goes deep into unknown history of the "Balkans", such as Croatia or Austro-Hungarian Empire and therie wars with Ottoman Empire histories , both are intresting and unknown to many vistors
Welcome to the story that has fractured, bloodied and tormented a nation and its people for centuries to come. All for just one thing. Profit.
Now turn to me and tell me once more that Greed is not the reason so much pointless bloodshed and war was fought?
Even today, Greed is the most common reason for why Conflict in the world exist...
And every night I shall weep for the souls, the innocent, caught up in battles they've never asked for.
I first thought you said 'Greece'.
3:18 wait WHAT
I didn't knew that
That's too good to be true
Omg
「 Heaphilian 」 why are u so excited tho?
@@faidonc why are you so curious tho?
Only decriminalized. You're still severely discriminated against and even law enforcement wouldn't protect you from religious vigilantes either.
@@cageybee7221 Why are you asking these questions tho?
@@jokuvaan5175 why not tho?
1:15
New EC Fans: Lemme see that video
OG EC Fans:
That darn sandwich
Bacon Ninja new? How about old who still remember the voice of the creator of this channel
Bacon Ninja the sandwich that changed the world
Arabs: "lands please"
Europeans: "yesn't"
4:31 call it what it was, the ARMENIAN GENOCIDE
Turks are NOT africans. Why all people on the video are brownish or black? For instance, Abdulhamid II. This ain’t Sultanate of Mali. Yeah, Ottomans had black people as its people too but it was nothing but a minority.
Me here’s the words ‘young’ and ‘Turks’ uhh is it Armenian Genocide time uhhhh oh God this will be bloody
Clorox Bleach I wonder how they’ll address that in the videos. There’s no way they can just gloss over it, whether governments choose to ignore it or not.
-Where we droppin' bois? Tilted?
-Middle East; good loot there bro
One little point. It's kinda stereotypical to draw like, all the turkic figures in the video in darker colors. I mean, it would be great if that was the case, it would be interesting inded, but it simply isn't the situation here. I have a slightly darker skin tone, though in that way, I am actually a minority. When I look around, it's mostly light skinned people. Now, normally I wouldn't care about having a darker or lighter tone, but a seeing stereotype figures from a channel like this is actually a little sad, especially if it is a stereotype that we hate being represented in.
Same goes for more or less most of the people in middle east. I mean it is not really important, but it is a detailed which is obsesively kept, which is slightly annoying.
4:33
Goddamnit we are only on the first eposide!
"Hamidi massacres" (unlike ww1 massacres) we're result of ethnic in fighting and not genocide
@@i.t.2238 so the systematic mass murder and expulsion of 1.5 million ethnic Armenians carried out by the Ottoman government is not a genocide? Don't get me wrong this the definition of a genocide
@@erotokritos402 I think they're referring to a different event, to the precursor of the Armenian genocide
@@erotokritos402 Hamidian massacres were before the Armenian Genocide, a different event.
nice video but the depiction of some people here are mad lmao, didn't know we were Sudanese looking.
I brought my napkin , as a Turk it will be hard to watch this.
Bu kanal tarafsız gibi gözükmeye çalışıp son derece taraf tutan bir kabal, ne zaman doğu tarihi anlatmaya kalksalar komik derecede profogandaya dönüyor.
Using Walpole on Patreon makes me very suspicious.
Ottoman Empire: "We are so weak, please be nice to us when you make this peace treaty!"
Britain and France: "We're taking everything you have in Europe and the Middle East."
Ottoman Empire: "Go ahead! How could we stop you?"
Britain and France: "Also, this bit of Anatolia."
Ottoman Empire: *Giorno piano theme starts playing*
I am going to say it, TE Lawrence is no hero that should be mythified. He led the Arab revolt knowing full well the British plans for the region.
too true
No really knows if he knew or not. It is more probable he didn't know. But even with all the choas in the middle east it's better than to be part of the genocidal ottmons.
The Arab Revolt would have happened whether Lawrence was there or not. He couldn't really refuse either, if he did, he'd be guilty of mutiny, and that was punishable by a firing squad.
@@thatone1280 He knew, it was written in his memoirs
He remarks that it is unfortunate but he must serve his country
peeravich chirakunakorn
Lawrence drew his own map to divide the Middle East. One, in which, in my opinion, favoured the natives more.
Turkish people usually arent THAT dark skinned
Aaaaah the British and their art of having no regard for the life and well being of other people 😌🇬🇧
Yeah, ignore the fact fact that advances in medicine courtesy of the British have saved billions of people, no lets forget that
Who drew the agreement?
It was Walpole...
I came at the speed of bisexual history nerd
Same here
「 Heaphilian 」 :)
Dang, I only came at the speed of asexual history nerd
Same. I also didn’t know about that decriminalizing homosexuality. Nice
Relatable am I right?
According to the videomaker
Turks=Ethiopians
Oreantalist westerners. Kinda the norm for them.
Worst map drawers: BRITISH!
"We should never have drawn that straight line. I can assure that the man who drew that line has been shamed."
--Map Men.
Eh, gotta be honest here, the Ottomans would trade the title of "The sick old man in Europe" with Austria-Hungary and especially the Habsburg Dynasty on a weekly basis
As an Arabian, the very title of this video... shook me.
I don’t know what to expect for the most part... 😥
me too man, my heart hurts everytime i think about all the countries we have falling the middle east today, with people blaming religion. not saying religion doesnt play a role but i think its a minor role as they are human beings. just putting any one or few reasons isn't fair, there's many factor that play. if you swap humans from the Arab region and put them in the UK back when the romans invaded and created the country, you would still have the same West we have today.
Drawing Turks brown is something that I can never understand. You could at least have drawn the Sultans white, since all of their mothers are either Circassian, Serbian, Ukrainian or in some cases Armenian. Most (if not all) of the "Army of Action" officers were also from the Balkans (Like Mustafa Kemal), so they were also white. As much as I love this channel, you can at least pay some attention to these details, since the content about Ottoman/Turkish history is already lacking.
On the other hand; it's the first time that I've heard the Empire was not the sick man. This is as sick as you can get.
Thank You for covering a part of Ottoman history. Suleiman The Magnifcent episodes were awesome
5:33 When you show pre-ww1 borders, it doesn't make sens to show the middle east already divided.
8:17 Peace be upon him❤
We arabs call Sharif Hussein the non-sharif of Mecca, (AKA the the non-noble of mecca)
I would say the ottomans had been on the decline since the jannisaries realized they could overthrow the government any time they wanted a pay raise and they always wanted a pay raised.
Hope this series would also objectively address the creation of Israel.
Muhamad Hamdy مش مرجح
Constantinople>Istanbul
Whaaaaaaa. Okey now I just want to know how did you get there from this video .
It’s called Istanbul, man
O dönem Konstantiniye idi cumhuriyet döneminde İstanbul oldu.
glad i stayed around. very interesting topic!
although be careful to not over glorify the ottomans as no single nation at that time was even close to holy.. including my own.
I started to read just a few days ago a very relevant book for this topic, "A peace to end all peace". I highly advice anyone who wants to know more on the topic of post WWI middle east to read it, it is at the same time well written and well documented.
Ahp der schroppel dem kärsistan?
WAIT, the Ottoman Empire outlaw decriminalization of homosexuality? I have never any empire of the old done this task. And this is coming from them of all people!
They were very tolerant... Until they weren't.
SADNESS :(
It really depends on where and when you are. Believe it or not, there were points in time when stuff like homosexuality were ignored by religious entities.
Never seen Turkish oil wrestling, have you?
@@ArkadiBolschek I never looked at those wrestlings in that way...
The " three pasas " decision to join the central powers wasn't just a dick move - among many, but also a suicidal one 😏
@Tarık Mengüç not at all
1) Enver pasa technically forced his people into the meat grinder called ww1 by allowing German warships to pass the dardanelles and bombard them Russian flying the Turkish flag
2 he began an campaign to Caucasus without preparing properly
Ending up with thousands of ottoman troops literally starving and freezing to death
3 he and the other two pasas carried out a policy of ethnic cleansing , both alienating them selfs from big chunks of population and destroying relationships with countries that public opinion does counts for something
So yes they were both dicks to others and dangerous for there own people