Just for giggles it would be fun to see a "chain" set up. Could one originate the signal from Richard's house and beam it to the friends place and then rebeam the received signal to the brothers house.
Depends how well you're known in the neighborhood and these friendly neighbors willing to be a hop spot just happen to be in between the source and destination houses.
I thought of that too, but I think it's unlikely they have a friend/family member who lives in one of the tallest houses nearby so that it has line of sight to both houses.
@@Jdbye I suppose that's true. We don't know what level the friend lives on meaning that perhaps it isn't as viable as I initally thought. Just thought it would be an interesting proof of concept.
Just commented this very thing but with a little more info for him. Used to install these for a living, I know one pair of dishes can go 15km line of sight no problem, and we also did relay networks of them, works fine if it's all set up right.
I live in a farming area were there is no fiber. Everyone outside the city area here uses wireless wifi. I actually have the same unit set up from my ISP. Very adequate and perfectly acceptable reception if setup correctly. Have been using wireless internet for 8 years. Fantastic. Regards from South Africa
yes. they use the frequency of 2.4 ghz or 5.8 ghz. Both those frequencies are license-free channels because they are basically junk frequencies (from a telecommunications perspective) and are the most susceptible to interference. 5.8 is a harmonic of 2.4
@@kruleworld Doesn't it need to be a multiple of 2.4 to have issues with harmonics? If it is 5.8 ghz then it should probably pass through trees, as long as it goes through the foliage and not the trunk. So there's at least that.
You could get it to work with a taller pole/tower. Realistically, it only needs to go high enough to clear the taller houses that are in the way. Getting it adjusted when it's so high up is the hard part. Also, it needs to be sturdy enough so that the wind doesn't cause issues.
I'd say just a taller pole would do the job. Gotta get over that concrete signal blocker in front of him! Trouble is a 2 storey high pole (to get over the 3 storey roof from the single storey) is hard to put up and harder to strap down so that it doesn't end up in the front yard, or the car in the driveway... Nope, relay off the friend's house is the way to go.
I've set a few networks up using Ubiquiti hardware. I've only used the 5GHz equipment when line of sight is possible as 5GHz doesn't pernitrate very well. I usually use their 2.5GHz gear or their 900MHz gear for a setup depending on the local environment. For example using the 2.5GHz gear in a densely populated area may not be the best idea due to limited channels and the fact that the Ubiquiti gear will be outputting a huge amount of power compared to a normal router the neighbors will see it as a huge amount of interference and find themselves unable to use their Wi-Fi. A good example of this is apartments and Wi-Fi, on 2.5GHz there are so many devices both broadcasting and receiving the the signal drops all of the time on 2.5GHz whereas with 5GHz and its inability to penetrate obstacles very well it is really stable. With 900MHz the wavelength is wide enough that it ignores many obstacles. But be warned it may be regulated locally. One of the fun uses of Ubiquiti hardware I've done was have my grandmother's 10 acre property covered in 2.5GHz Wi-Fi. And due to that, the Wi-Fi from the router provided by her ISP became difficult to connect to reliably due to interference. The Wi-Fi at her place is really reliable now, you just have to use the network I set up.
A while ago I spoke with someone working for a phone company. His work is to climb the telecom masts and install the antenna's. I asked him how they alligned the dishes from tower to tower which would be a few miles apart from each other. The answer was simple, use a high power lamp with a wide beam and use a phone or other comm device to let each other know when it's on or needs alignment. With this rough indication the next step would be to use the signal indicator on the antenna or dish system itself. I thought for myself they would use some kind of sight like a tube or opening on the dish, working the same way like a gun sight, but it seems this wasn't the case in real work environment.
This is more my cup-a-tea... i love the unify products.... in fact... i've thrown back my ISP's multifunctional modem/router and asked for a modem only option. My wifi works flawlessly now... no need for extra extenders etc etc.... 2 AP's and even my garden has good connection to wifi now (about 10 meters still 45% capacity and that is through a concrete wall (i think when they build our house the thought of building a bunker :P)) :) No need for further long distance though :) still interesting :D
Would you know of their legality in the states? I have considered them between my house to/for my folks, but it felt like the cable company or the FCC would be unhappy with it.
@@BloodAspyes you can use these in the USA. 5ghz is legal to use. Ubiquiti also offer other products that work on licensed spectrums. Those you cannot use without the required license.
I “had” that same Ethernet tester, it was total crap, it’s in the trash now, be weary of it in case mine wasn’t just a bad one. Great video thanks for posting.
@@marshallb5210 and had it done that I wouldn’t have commented, it was crap, it would both give a good result on a bad cable, and give a bad result on a good one.
i havent watched all the way till the end yet but if your brother has cellular already and this connection sharing works, you can run 2 connections into a device and make them split or share the bandwidth via a PFsense machine with a few NICs in it. its called Network load balancing, dual-WAN routing or multihoming. i love stuff like this.
The signal will drop in bad weather, high perspiration, fog, snow. Also you need to install anti-perch on them as the birds love them, warm and sheltered, your only solution under a kilometre is laser link. ~trooper
My ex boss (RIP) used a link very similar to this, but with the circular solid discs, to get internet to his home in the hills 15 km line of sight from the top of the 2 storey workshop. He had less problems with that setup than he had with the NBN government fixed wireless he got a few years later as an "upgrade", and that came from a tower less than a km from his house I believe. The fact that he had a pretty stable connection for over a year in most weather (heavy rain was always a problem, granted) was the reason we used pretty much only ubiquiti for the last few years before he passed in all our wifi installs. We couldn't believe we got that distance! And then I watched a Linus tech tips vid where they had line of site for a shorter distance and failed... but then that fool doesn't know what NO/NC on a relay means... I stopped watching him a long time ago. I feel like it's down to the install and to an extent environmental factors, but if you can get line of site and line these things up well, they seem to work just fine in my experience. Just saying, it can work better than the alternatives, I have seen it. Hell, I helped install the dish on the boss's house!
@@ballsrgrossnugly interesting 15Km thats a far wack to broadcast, I'd say it was more like a microwave link, its realistic can reach that distance it would have been quite a good setup. As its more of a conical beam and would have been a wide coverage. I installed the laser Link at the V&A, before that it was a radio link that was unreliable due to, believe it or not a pirate radio station local that would bleed the signal. We installed a laser link, before the cable link went in (expensive at that time). Long since gone. My Mate Vince will have to properly survey the area, and he made the mistake of mounting it on a TV arial - it will have a impact on the signal. He could use high gain wifi arial, like the ones used for cracking wifi, these can pick up wifi well over a kilometre away. ~trooper
Was the house without line of sight at a different elevation? It seemed like the dishes could have been higher up on the poles which might have helped. Also If they are at different heights then maybe one dish needs to point up and the other down? Wasn't sure from the video if you were trying that.
@@StevenShaw exactly, maybe one day I'll be in his sandals 🤣 jeez I remember those days trying to get long range wifi so I could connect to my neighbours, I used to hang a high gain antenna out the window 🤣🤣🤣
I'm rockin 50mbps on my FTTN connection, and it's all the copper into the house can handle. (well, 60 technically, but who wants to pay for the 100 plan and be capped at 60?) Thankfully, so far it hasn't been a problem. Steam tops out at about 40-45 anyway even on a 100mbps connection, so upgrading wouldn't make games download any faster apparently.
If you're really trying to make it happen, don't be afraid to use 6m/20ft poles. Grab them at the bottom (around 4-6 feet worth with a chimney) and "guy" them. Not sure what channel width you're using although I don't recommend over 40mhz since noise and many other factors will influence. You can expect about 250-300 mbps total throughput from a litebeam 5ac at best (CPU bottleneck). Height is what you need really, I'd mount his on the roof with a 6m pole too. We do installs all the time, you're essentially making a mini tower. Also keep in mind you run the risk of your ISP shutting your pipe since they more than likely specify "to be used at the installation location only" I don't think you'll use enough bandwidth/data but keep it in mind.
A similar system is how my ISP delivers its internet where I live (I have a dish on my roof which is powered by POE) and there's 2 other providers offering it the same way. If I wanted fibre to the cabinet/premises then I'd have to go with the local telephone provider as in Hull we cannot get BT, Talktalk, virgin etc due to the fact that Hull is independent from what else is available nationally. The system I have is cheaper than Kcom (local telephone provider) Pity it didn't wok for your brother, Vince, but nonetheless a good video!
I am ex-London and now live on the South Coast and use Virgin, 200Mb, because it's the fastest. Kcom boasts faster speeds than I can get here and their upload speeds are really good too even on their cheaper packages. Am I right to assume their coverage is patchy? Because their up and down speeds are better than virgin and their pricing is very similar.
He made that big deal about it being the longest these dishes had been attempted... and failed... and me and my workmates got one running that was longer throw than his reliably about a 2 years before that video... ubiquiti and all. I don't watch Linus any more... he's just... too... dumb... (unrelated)
I set up a 1300 ft point to point link to my mother-in-laws house but when one of the trees would get wet from rain she would lose signal. I ran a pair of grid array antennas an 800 mw transceivers on 5GHz. Some of the newer technology is supposed to penetrate but I am doubtful. Need to get Clear Point-to-Point or put a site in the middle as a repeater.
If there’s a tall building (e.g., high rise) near by you can use the face of the building as a directional repeater. Obviously not a quality solution but it may be something to test.
It'll work better with ubiquiti than most, because they have anti ghosting tech in the software to sort out ghosted signals, but it's still not a very good solution, a car driving past could completely change the bounce of the signal and cause constant dropouts as traffic goes by!
Just put a 20 foot aluminium tube on top of the chimney on both houses, with dishes mounted on top ,back too the old days of CB radio lol the higher the better 😉
Except the old CB antenna could rock around in the wind all it wanted. 20 foot masts for dishes require LOTS of TIGHT guy wire to stop that thing moving out of alignment.
I've installed a ton of these, not that exact model but similar. Be happy to help you if you still need it. Make sure you enable AirMax protocol instead of 802.11 because of the noise. Also slow down the speed + use the waterfall spectrum analyzer built-in to help UBIQUTI has great stuff for the price.
TP-Link has good products, I've used that brand but not that exact radio. As far as the distance, often what they spec isn't exact so see if they have a link budget calculator for product selection. 6km as long as the TX power is above 200mw it should be good with a directional antenna.@@omaral-fararjeh6617
Use 2.4 GHz and use a protocol (airMAX) that craps all over the standard 802.11 CSMA-CA so that you're not being slowed down by your AP respecting the air time of your neighbours WiFi's. Then crank up the power until your SNR is good enough at the other end. It's kind of illegal, but it works and nobody cares. This way you can run "cell network like" WiFi's that cover the entire neighbourhood with one single AP. Look at Mikrotik for real pro grade equipment too.
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3 years later, but agree that MikroTik is a better solution. Have installed a few of those 5.8G dishes and if the signal wasn't too good, it already worked cranking up the power all the way to 27dBm, although technically illegal.
You may get home to home if you use 2.4GHz or 900MHz radios. Them two Freq. goes thru trees so much better. I run a few WISP and I have gone thru more trees then I have seen here.
@@johnlawrencedeanjd Seriously, slap the standard 4 chords over that and call your self No(t)el Gallagher! You're a poet and you didn't even think you were... a poet...!
The issue is clear 5Ghz freq, just can't pass as well thru obstacles. 2.4 ghz solution could have some results. If you haven't heard for the work of SpaceX, Ellon is putting satellites in low-orbit for high speed, low latency network. Only you will need antenna transmitter. The equipment is like 300 bucks, and the service is unknown yet, but could be 100 per month initially.
Finally something up my alley 😁😁 as others have pointed out 5ghz needs LOS (not only the antennas themselves but also the fresnel zone) to work, maybe with 2.4 you would have got a signal... even if very weak! Last resort would be 900mhz, like a loco m9, you would get a decent signal for sure but don’t expect stellar throughput!
In reality if you used something like a Lite AP 120 with line of sight you could make it work, i think vince’s failure was just related to the antenna’s height, i build a whole ISP on these and the lower m5 models and have gotten 14km from them at most.
@@aMabbitt Yes, with LOS it would work just fine @ 5ghz, I was talking about keeping things as they are in the video, with no LOS at all. In this case no matter the antennas/stations you use they wouldn't work @ 5ghz... not reliably at least :D We too have long 5ghz ptmp connections, even longer ptp bridges, with a good rf elements horn, perfect LOS and clear fresnel zone its crazy how fast can you go at 20km!
Probably yes, but not much if the dishes are lined up well and they scanned the frequencies to get the best ones to transmit on. Edit: It's england... so... yeah... not Australia where it never snows except in the mountains...
I know I'm a year late. There may be a power setting some were in the settings. & can increase the power /signal. & may have some connection. The speed may me decreased due to lack of LOS (line of sight)
I use the rocket dish RD5G30 with Mikrotik RB912Hpnd5Out which is the outdoor version that works with dishes 1.2km VERY FUCKING HIGH noise enviroment (iraq) filled with wireless isps and i get really great signal and 300mbps data rates
get a laser , and try from one house to the other, using the angles they said, and try pinpoint something thats on long that line from each house, so you can verfy the line of sight, and so that you can see how far out, or how far up down. left or right you need to go to get it lined up... then once you have something, then you can use either a higher pole, or maybe a pole from the shed say, as once you know where thats lining up, as maybe going from bottom of gardens maybe far enough around obstical :) depending how gardens line up etc etc ... dont give up !!!
great video and views! i considerd similar a few years back as my appartment block had crappy wiring and i was getting 2.5m max , yet i work at the uni down the road that had nearly 1000 mb and it was line of site fortunatley they finally fitted fibre to my flat so get great speeds now( forgot to mention i live in hull so we have one supplier and thats it!-ther are some line of site options but they arnt great)
Same thing here in my country. They've dug the road to my friend's house 2 blocks down. He asked for 100/10 (the second best speed here) and he got 70/8 (tbh its better than old adsl). Here i'm stuck with adsl and vdsl at 50down/5 up and the constant loss and the unstableness. Can't wait for ftth
I tried to do the same as you guys did but his house is only 1 story up blocked by 3 story appartment complexes and my house is a 3 story house. So we couldnt get the dishes working
By default these dishes have Automatic Power adjustments enabled. This significantly reduced its power level. Disable this on each dish and at that close of a distance they should connect with no issues. I doubt your issue is the dish. There is a 99% chance this will fix your issue. I have these dishes working on a 1.2 mile link with absolutely no line of sight and I'm getting approximately 100 megs in each direction.
hello sir can i connet only one lite beams to my wifi for covering whole area in or around just one simple ubiquiti litebeans connect with existing wifi intenet is it possible just cover my house not to another antenna??
What is a cheap solution for sharing over 100 meters? My uncle doesn't want to rent internet but wants service for his wife, (she just uses whatsapp and other lightweight things on her phone, going to limit them anyway to 10mbps), I was thinking on this, but I feel 200USD for around 100 meters is too much. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Try a 900MHz system it works much better in built up areas, line of sight not so important. even 2.4GHz is slightly better in a built up areas. I built my own 2.4 GHz system at 5 watts it worked very well at 2 miles through thick trees.
@@hansmaier3689 oh yes, so maybe 2,4 GHz would be better using a high gain yagi and an amplifier but I see UK allows only 100 mw power. In this case increasing the height is the answer. or using a repeater to get around the flats.
The dish should nit be on a wobbly pole like your setup as the beam is very focused and any slight movement , wind, will corrupt your signal. Mine is on a very stout wooden pole in the garden.
You coming out of retirement from the telecoms industry Vince? 😜 That said, the comment was made BEFORE watching the video, but AFTER watching the video, sorry to see your brother not getting a signal.
IF anyone wants to try this you might want to consider a Unify cloudkey or install the free controller software (it's even available as a docker image if you want). This is so you can split both networks and each have your own private network :) V1 of the cloudkey is more then enough for smaller networks unless the broadcaster (or the reciever) uses unify protect (for cameras). The cloudkey is just easy for a powerloss event and backups to the SD card.... it's POE and once your switch turns on it also boots the controller, so you don't ever have to worry about the controller :)
You could try selecting a different country in the settings, some allow a few watts of power rather than the rather weak uk limits. I did this with my cheapo clone unit and the boost was pretty significant. I could pick up wifi from my house over half a km away (with line of sight) just with a laptop and external usb receiver .Not sure how legal it is but whos ever going to check anyway. A lot of Chinese knock offs of these also let you whack up the power via the firmware.
I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed the chance of scenes/locations.
Omg it's the retro future, I love your videos!!!! :)
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In the next "How To Fix" video.... removing trees from "line of sight"
I would personally be more interested in the removing of a three story 'flat' from the line of sight.
@@BloodAspI’m sure you’re so concerned about your carbon footprint as well aren’t you lol, doof
When Richard set them up in the garden seeing the 2 antenna at either end reminded me of the opening scene of “The Running Man” 🤣🤣
I think the video is a huge success! As a tech-solution professional your video is a great learning tool! Thank you, great job!
Buy another dish set and use friend’s house as relay/hop point if line of sight is available to Richard’s from friend’s house.
Just for giggles it would be fun to see a "chain" set up. Could one originate the signal from Richard's house and beam it to the friends place and then rebeam the received signal to the brothers house.
Depends how well you're known in the neighborhood and these friendly neighbors willing to be a hop spot just happen to be in between the source and destination houses.
I thought of that too, but I think it's unlikely they have a friend/family member who lives in one of the tallest houses nearby so that it has line of sight to both houses.
@@Jdbye I suppose that's true. We don't know what level the friend lives on meaning that perhaps it isn't as viable as I initally thought. Just thought it would be an interesting proof of concept.
Just commented this very thing but with a little more info for him. Used to install these for a living, I know one pair of dishes can go 15km line of sight no problem, and we also did relay networks of them, works fine if it's all set up right.
re-bounce the signal from the friends house to Richards house if there is line of site
I live in a farming area were there is no fiber. Everyone outside the city area here uses wireless wifi. I actually have the same unit set up from my ISP. Very adequate and perfectly acceptable reception if setup correctly. Have been using wireless internet for 8 years. Fantastic.
Regards from South Africa
5.8Ghz doesn’t work well with obstacles unfortunately
yes. they use the frequency of 2.4 ghz or 5.8 ghz. Both those frequencies are license-free channels because they are basically junk frequencies (from a telecommunications perspective) and are the most susceptible to interference. 5.8 is a harmonic of 2.4
@@kruleworld Doesn't it need to be a multiple of 2.4 to have issues with harmonics?
If it is 5.8 ghz then it should probably pass through trees, as long as it goes through the foliage and not the trunk. So there's at least that.
@@Jdbye 5.8 ghz is blocked by human skin/muscle tree's and plants will easily block the signal
@@Jdbye the higher the frequency the easier it is blocked
Lovely to see your upload speed is equivalent to my download speed .
His upload speed is better than my download speed!
This dish maybe is terrible , my isp installed under the name of FTTH , 7 months ago, it was 7mbps up and down, and now barely 1mbps
You could get it to work with a taller pole/tower. Realistically, it only needs to go high enough to clear the taller houses that are in the way. Getting it adjusted when it's so high up is the hard part. Also, it needs to be sturdy enough so that the wind doesn't cause issues.
Saw this tested over a year ago, line of sight is near 100% imperative.
with a higher gain antenna and a taller pole you might get it working.
I'd say just a taller pole would do the job. Gotta get over that concrete signal blocker in front of him! Trouble is a 2 storey high pole (to get over the 3 storey roof from the single storey) is hard to put up and harder to strap down so that it doesn't end up in the front yard, or the car in the driveway...
Nope, relay off the friend's house is the way to go.
@@ballsrgrossnugly wouldn't get planning permission for a pole of that length in a million years in the UK
@@SirZanZa Oh yeah, I'm thinking Aussie where we just throw up a tower in the back yard if we can't get a signal hahaha.
Very brave getting up on the roof. I'm a total wimp when it comes to heights! 😰
I've set a few networks up using Ubiquiti hardware. I've only used the 5GHz equipment when line of sight is possible as 5GHz doesn't pernitrate very well.
I usually use their 2.5GHz gear or their 900MHz gear for a setup depending on the local environment. For example using the 2.5GHz gear in a densely populated area may not be the best idea due to limited channels and the fact that the Ubiquiti gear will be outputting a huge amount of power compared to a normal router the neighbors will see it as a huge amount of interference and find themselves unable to use their Wi-Fi. A good example of this is apartments and Wi-Fi, on 2.5GHz there are so many devices both broadcasting and receiving the the signal drops all of the time on 2.5GHz whereas with 5GHz and its inability to penetrate obstacles very well it is really stable. With 900MHz the wavelength is wide enough that it ignores many obstacles. But be warned it may be regulated locally.
One of the fun uses of Ubiquiti hardware I've done was have my grandmother's 10 acre property covered in 2.5GHz Wi-Fi. And due to that, the Wi-Fi from the router provided by her ISP became difficult to connect to reliably due to interference. The Wi-Fi at her place is really reliable now, you just have to use the network I set up.
Hello can I contact you privately for some help
@@nuwa9376 Sure, I can offer some help. I've got an email on my channel page you can reach out to me on.
@@Gormadt failed to find your email...maybe the Twitter if it's alright?
@@nuwa9376 That works too
A while ago I spoke with someone working for a phone company.
His work is to climb the telecom masts and install the antenna's.
I asked him how they alligned the dishes from tower to tower which would be a few miles apart from each other.
The answer was simple, use a high power lamp with a wide beam and use a phone or other comm device to let each other know when it's on or needs alignment. With this rough indication the next step would be to use the signal indicator on the antenna or dish system itself.
I thought for myself they would use some kind of sight like a tube or opening on the dish, working the same way like a gun sight, but it seems this wasn't the case in real work environment.
Good video, good to see the idea in real life scenario.
Great video - nice to see something totally different =D
This is more my cup-a-tea... i love the unify products.... in fact... i've thrown back my ISP's multifunctional modem/router and asked for a modem only option. My wifi works flawlessly now... no need for extra extenders etc etc.... 2 AP's and even my garden has good connection to wifi now (about 10 meters still 45% capacity and that is through a concrete wall (i think when they build our house the thought of building a bunker :P)) :) No need for further long distance though :) still interesting :D
Be sure to check your isp's licence and government regulations on broadcasting signals though...
I use these for a living, if you need help let me know :) there are A LOT of nuances.
Would you know of their legality in the states? I have considered them between my house to/for my folks, but it felt like the cable company or the FCC would be unhappy with it.
@@BloodAspyes you can use these in the USA. 5ghz is legal to use. Ubiquiti also offer other products that work on licensed spectrums. Those you cannot use without the required license.
@@BloodAsp @Richard Emmett is right. Every time one of these devices boots it does a specific scan to make sure it won't be interfering.
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I “had” that same Ethernet tester, it was total crap, it’s in the trash now, be weary of it in case mine wasn’t just a bad one. Great video thanks for posting.
it's just a continuity tester, it doesn't tell you anything about the quality of the connection
@@marshallb5210 and had it done that I wouldn’t have commented, it was crap, it would both give a good result on a bad cable, and give a bad result on a good one.
i havent watched all the way till the end yet but if your brother has cellular already and this connection sharing works, you can run 2 connections into a device and make them split or share the bandwidth via a PFsense machine with a few NICs in it. its called Network load balancing, dual-WAN routing or multihoming. i love stuff like this.
Get a second set and use the link that's working as a relay station?
Nice fireworks!
Love All your videos No Matter What My friend!!
Very interesting. I didn't know that something like that exists. Good to know.
youre right, that was very interesting despite the result
The signal will drop in bad weather, high perspiration, fog, snow. Also you need to install anti-perch on them as the birds love them, warm and sheltered, your only solution under a kilometre is laser link. ~trooper
My ex boss (RIP) used a link very similar to this, but with the circular solid discs, to get internet to his home in the hills 15 km line of sight from the top of the 2 storey workshop. He had less problems with that setup than he had with the NBN government fixed wireless he got a few years later as an "upgrade", and that came from a tower less than a km from his house I believe.
The fact that he had a pretty stable connection for over a year in most weather (heavy rain was always a problem, granted) was the reason we used pretty much only ubiquiti for the last few years before he passed in all our wifi installs. We couldn't believe we got that distance!
And then I watched a Linus tech tips vid where they had line of site for a shorter distance and failed... but then that fool doesn't know what NO/NC on a relay means... I stopped watching him a long time ago. I feel like it's down to the install and to an extent environmental factors, but if you can get line of site and line these things up well, they seem to work just fine in my experience.
Just saying, it can work better than the alternatives, I have seen it. Hell, I helped install the dish on the boss's house!
@@ballsrgrossnugly interesting 15Km thats a far wack to broadcast, I'd say it was more like a microwave link, its realistic can reach that distance it would have been quite a good setup. As its more of a conical beam and would have been a wide coverage. I installed the laser Link at the V&A, before that it was a radio link that was unreliable due to, believe it or not a pirate radio station local that would bleed the signal. We installed a laser link, before the cable link went in (expensive at that time). Long since gone. My Mate Vince will have to properly survey the area, and he made the mistake of mounting it on a TV arial - it will have a impact on the signal. He could use high gain wifi arial, like the ones used for cracking wifi, these can pick up wifi well over a kilometre away. ~trooper
Nice video thank you yeah LOS is very important. Also the "Fresnel zone" is important.
Was the house without line of sight at a different elevation? It seemed like the dishes could have been higher up on the poles which might have helped. Also If they are at different heights then maybe one dish needs to point up and the other down? Wasn't sure from the video if you were trying that.
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Crazy how high you guys were up there like 3 stories up 👍
Hi bud you say this was not intresting well l found it very interesting l have never seen this setup before so thank you for the vid
You should try the Powerbeam AC from Ubiquiti, Linus from LTT got 12km out of it with half decent speeds
@@StevenShaw yeah it was interesting but they're damn expensive at £120 per dish so I've never had the money spare to buy them lol
@@StevenShaw exactly, maybe one day I'll be in his sandals 🤣 jeez I remember those days trying to get long range wifi so I could connect to my neighbours, I used to hang a high gain antenna out the window 🤣🤣🤣
just commented abo ut that, funnilt enough
I hate how the long-distance success is still faster than the fastest speed available to most Australians
I'm rockin 50mbps on my FTTN connection, and it's all the copper into the house can handle. (well, 60 technically, but who wants to pay for the 100 plan and be capped at 60?)
Thankfully, so far it hasn't been a problem. Steam tops out at about 40-45 anyway even on a 100mbps connection, so upgrading wouldn't make games download any faster apparently.
One wonders if the other guy one over from Richard's street is in line with Vince's brother's house. Surely these can relay over several stations...
Agreed!
If you're really trying to make it happen, don't be afraid to use 6m/20ft poles. Grab them at the bottom (around 4-6 feet worth with a chimney) and "guy" them. Not sure what channel width you're using although I don't recommend over 40mhz since noise and many other factors will influence. You can expect about 250-300 mbps total throughput from a litebeam 5ac at best (CPU bottleneck). Height is what you need really, I'd mount his on the roof with a 6m pole too. We do installs all the time, you're essentially making a mini tower.
Also keep in mind you run the risk of your ISP shutting your pipe since they more than likely specify "to be used at the installation location only" I don't think you'll use enough bandwidth/data but keep it in mind.
I'd agree if I hadn't seen that shingled roof... must be a bloody nightmare to install that stuff in the UK!
I remember maybe 15+ years ago using a couple of old sky dishes with tin can feeds and some us robotics access points managed a very stable 5 miles.
You can try using a big metal pole (4m) attached to each chimney to gain altitude because you really need line of sight to make it work.
A similar system is how my ISP delivers its internet where I live (I have a dish on my roof which is powered by POE) and there's 2 other providers offering it the same way. If I wanted fibre to the cabinet/premises then I'd have to go with the local telephone provider as in Hull we cannot get BT, Talktalk, virgin etc due to the fact that Hull is independent from what else is available nationally. The system I have is cheaper than Kcom (local telephone provider) Pity it didn't wok for your brother, Vince, but nonetheless a good video!
I am ex-London and now live on the South Coast and use Virgin, 200Mb, because it's the fastest. Kcom boasts faster speeds than I can get here and their upload speeds are really good too even on their cheaper packages. Am I right to assume their coverage is patchy? Because their up and down speeds are better than virgin and their pricing is very similar.
linus tech tips showed something like this years ago, nice to see you do too :)
He made that big deal about it being the longest these dishes had been attempted... and failed... and me and my workmates got one running that was longer throw than his reliably about a 2 years before that video... ubiquiti and all.
I don't watch Linus any more... he's just... too... dumb... (unrelated)
I set up a 1300 ft point to point link to my mother-in-laws house but when one of the trees would get wet from rain she would lose signal. I ran a pair of grid array antennas an 800 mw transceivers on 5GHz.
Some of the newer technology is supposed to penetrate but I am doubtful.
Need to get Clear Point-to-Point or put a site in the middle as a repeater.
If there’s a tall building (e.g., high rise) near by you can use the face of the building as a directional repeater. Obviously not a quality solution but it may be something to test.
It'll work better with ubiquiti than most, because they have anti ghosting tech in the software to sort out ghosted signals, but it's still not a very good solution, a car driving past could completely change the bounce of the signal and cause constant dropouts as traffic goes by!
I remember trying to do this back in the '90s with Pringles cans... LOL. It was the modern version of 2 tin cans and a string of wire I guess.
Just put a 20 foot aluminium tube on top of the chimney on both houses, with dishes mounted on top ,back too the old days of CB radio lol the higher the better 😉
Except the old CB antenna could rock around in the wind all it wanted.
20 foot masts for dishes require LOTS of TIGHT guy wire to stop that thing moving out of alignment.
@@ballsrgrossnugly yes I suppose its more critical with dishes moving out of alignment
I've installed a ton of these, not that exact model but similar. Be happy to help you if you still need it. Make sure you enable AirMax protocol instead of 802.11 because of the noise. Also slow down the speed + use the waterfall spectrum analyzer built-in to help UBIQUTI has great stuff for the price.
How far was the longest distance? Im thinking about 15 km but the landacape is hilly.
Have you used any from TP-Link ? I'm wondering if tp-link cpe510 would do the job at 6km distance
TP-Link has good products, I've used that brand but not that exact radio. As far as the distance, often what they spec isn't exact so see if they have a link budget calculator for product selection. 6km as long as the TX power is above 200mw it should be good with a directional antenna.@@omaral-fararjeh6617
Did you ever watch any NFL games at Wembley Stadium? It’s a shame they couldn’t play in London this year.
Really good video vince
Love the PTZ camera at stop of the roof lol
Use 2.4 GHz and use a protocol (airMAX) that craps all over the standard 802.11 CSMA-CA so that you're not being slowed down by your AP respecting the air time of your neighbours WiFi's. Then crank up the power until your SNR is good enough at the other end. It's kind of illegal, but it works and nobody cares. This way you can run "cell network like" WiFi's that cover the entire neighbourhood with one single AP. Look at Mikrotik for real pro grade equipment too.
3 years later, but agree that MikroTik is a better solution. Have installed a few of those 5.8G dishes and if the signal wasn't too good, it already worked cranking up the power all the way to 27dBm, although technically illegal.
What website did you use to get the compass coordinates? Was it just Google maps?
Did you ever figure out what site this was he used?
You may get home to home if you use 2.4GHz or 900MHz radios. Them two Freq. goes thru trees so much better. I run a few WISP and I have gone thru more trees then I have seen here.
I used to live in Harrow on the hill and was born in Wembley. The view was diffrent back then
Is this the start of a Beatles song? ;)
Yes, a long lost track
@@johnlawrencedeanjd Seriously, slap the standard 4 chords over that and call your self No(t)el Gallagher!
You're a poet and you didn't even think you were... a poet...!
The issue is clear 5Ghz freq, just can't pass as well thru obstacles. 2.4 ghz solution could have some results. If you haven't heard for the work of SpaceX, Ellon is putting satellites in low-orbit for high speed, low latency network. Only you will need antenna transmitter. The equipment is like 300 bucks, and the service is unknown yet, but could be 100 per month initially.
Finally something up my alley 😁😁 as others have pointed out 5ghz needs LOS (not only the antennas themselves but also the fresnel zone) to work, maybe with 2.4 you would have got a signal... even if very weak!
Last resort would be 900mhz, like a loco m9, you would get a decent signal for sure but don’t expect stellar throughput!
In reality if you used something like a Lite AP 120 with line of sight you could make it work, i think vince’s failure was just related to the antenna’s height, i build a whole ISP on these and the lower m5 models and have gotten 14km from them at most.
@@aMabbitt Yes, with LOS it would work just fine @ 5ghz, I was talking about keeping things as they are in the video, with no LOS at all.
In this case no matter the antennas/stations you use they wouldn't work @ 5ghz... not reliably at least :D
We too have long 5ghz ptmp connections, even longer ptp bridges, with a good rf elements horn, perfect LOS and clear fresnel zone its crazy how fast can you go at 20km!
Enjoyed that, cheers 👍🍻
You should look into 2.4ghz point to point. Won’t be as fast max 150 but should easily give you the range and much more penetration.
i like these kind of videos. keep it up. do more like testing products videos!!!
Easily the coolest dad that you can have
Thanks for the video and hi Eliot
Is there a better possibility that to get a signal from the friend who now has the good connection to your brother?
Super cool video Thank you Aways good videos
Does Richards other friend have line of sight to the house? Then all 3 houses could be networked together!
Yes clear line of sight is really essential.
Good evening..what are the applications you used please?
Greetings from Harrow. Didn't know you were so close by.
and greetings from Ruislip as well
Nice this one is going to be interesting. I've always wanted to try those beams to send WiFi to my sisters. I'm on gigabit and she's on sky 24mbps lol
I’ve learned more from you than school
What did your school learn from him?
what are you plugging the dishes into? you say "the network" -- what does that device look like?
Maybe if you and the others have time you can try realigning the dishes either higher or on another part of the house
So like Sat TV, will it lose signal in hard rain and snow events?? 🤷♂️
Probably yes, but not much if the dishes are lined up well and they scanned the frequencies to get the best ones to transmit on.
Edit: It's england... so... yeah... not Australia where it never snows except in the mountains...
Line of sight is important but it might have passes trees at least if you used lower freq like 5.1 or 5.2 ghz
I know I'm a year late. There may be a power setting some were in the settings. & can increase the power /signal. & may have some connection. The speed may me decreased due to lack of LOS (line of sight)
ubiquiti litebeam ac5 and tp link cpe 610/710 which one is better? For point to multi point.
Nice video vince 👍
Maybe try Powerbeam? It works over our land at about 3 miles with obstacles
I use the rocket dish RD5G30 with Mikrotik RB912Hpnd5Out which is the outdoor version that works with dishes 1.2km VERY FUCKING HIGH noise enviroment (iraq) filled with wireless isps and i get really great signal and 300mbps data rates
get a laser , and try from one house to the other, using the angles they said, and try pinpoint something thats on long that line from each house, so you can verfy the line of sight,
and so that you can see how far out, or how far up down. left or right you need to go to get it lined up...
then once you have something, then you can use either a higher pole, or maybe a pole from the shed say, as once you know where thats lining up, as maybe going from bottom of gardens maybe far enough around obstical :) depending how gardens line up etc etc ...
dont give up !!!
great video and views! i considerd similar a few years back as my appartment block had crappy wiring and i was getting 2.5m max , yet i work at the uni down the road that had nearly 1000 mb and it was line of site fortunatley they finally fitted fibre to my flat so get great speeds now( forgot to mention i live in hull so we have one supplier and thats it!-ther are some line of site options but they arnt great)
Same thing here in my country. They've dug the road to my friend's house 2 blocks down. He asked for 100/10 (the second best speed here) and he got 70/8 (tbh its better than old adsl). Here i'm stuck with adsl and vdsl at 50down/5 up and the constant loss and the unstableness. Can't wait for ftth
I tried to do the same as you guys did but his house is only 1 story up blocked by 3 story appartment complexes and my house is a 3 story house. So we couldnt get the dishes working
Same with me. My dads sky wifi is better
By default these dishes have Automatic Power adjustments enabled. This significantly reduced its power level. Disable this on each dish and at that close of a distance they should connect with no issues. I doubt your issue is the dish. There is a 99% chance this will fix your issue. I have these dishes working on a 1.2 mile link with absolutely no line of sight and I'm getting approximately 100 megs in each direction.
hello sir
can i connet only one lite beams to my wifi for covering whole area in or around just one simple
ubiquiti litebeans connect with existing wifi intenet is it possible just cover my house not to another antenna??
I enjoyed that and was willing it to work :)
Could you have used longer poles or maybe a signrl booster
How much and buy where ? I want to buy it.
Is there any line of site from your brothers house to the other friends house, then you could use that as a really point...?
It is pretty direct. One or two degrees makes a massive speed difference
What is a cheap solution for sharing over 100 meters? My uncle doesn't want to rent internet but wants service for his wife, (she just uses whatsapp and other lightweight things on her phone, going to limit them anyway to 10mbps), I was thinking on this, but I feel 200USD for around 100 meters is too much.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Try a 900MHz system it works much better in built up areas, line of sight not so important. even 2.4GHz is slightly better in a built up areas. I built my own 2.4 GHz system at 5 watts it worked very well at 2 miles through thick trees.
John James 900Mhz is Not allowed in GB or Germany 😢
@@hansmaier3689 oh yes, so maybe 2,4 GHz would be better using a high gain yagi and an amplifier but I see UK allows only 100 mw power. In this case increasing the height is the answer. or using a repeater to get around the flats.
The dish should nit be on a wobbly pole like your setup as the beam is very focused and any slight movement , wind, will corrupt your signal.
Mine is on a very stout wooden pole in the garden.
You coming out of retirement from the telecoms industry Vince? 😜
That said, the comment was made BEFORE watching the video, but AFTER watching the video, sorry to see your brother not getting a signal.
No Line of Sight dont even try. Good video though, we all need to try these things, real life :)
IF anyone wants to try this you might want to consider a Unify cloudkey or install the free controller software (it's even available as a docker image if you want). This is so you can split both networks and each have your own private network :) V1 of the cloudkey is more then enough for smaller networks unless the broadcaster (or the reciever) uses unify protect (for cameras). The cloudkey is just easy for a powerloss event and backups to the SD card.... it's POE and once your switch turns on it also boots the controller, so you don't ever have to worry about the controller :)
These are not unifi devices, these are airmax devices. They're not supported on the unifi controller or cloud key :)
What's the name of that compass app? looks neat.
Looks to me like the default compass app that's pre-installed on iPhones.
I love the ubnt gear 👍 I have at home their accesspoints and poe switch
Azimuth antennas are better for trees
3:40 Missing ground and surge protector! 😑
🤔Vince where did you learn all this?
You could try 2.4ghz or 900 mhz ptp antennas.
hi i see that there was a cctv camera on the first roof can you let us know more about his system please !
2:02 the "ruter" is "ruter" in Hungary too
I wonder if that would work over here in the states
Yep if LOS (line of sight)
Robinson Pasaribu cool thanks
You could try selecting a different country in the settings, some allow a few watts of power rather than the rather weak uk limits. I did this with my cheapo clone unit and the boost was pretty significant. I could pick up wifi from my house over half a km away (with line of sight) just with a laptop and external usb receiver .Not sure how legal it is but whos ever going to check anyway. A lot of Chinese knock offs of these also let you whack up the power via the firmware.
Interesting stuff, thanks.