This makes 5090 looks good with $2500 msrp and $3000 real price in 2025! 🤣🤣🤣 And 5080 at $1500 looks also good! and less good 5070 at $1000 and "normal" low end 5060 at $500 It is easy to predict future...
This is true. But if money doesn't matter and you just want the best card the 4090 is the one, with "worth" being subjective In that regard the 4090 is in a class.of it's own between performance and features
4090 at 1844$ is 92% higher cost than the 7900xtx 960$ on PC part picker right now. I am glad I left nvidia and got my first AMD gpu/cpu this build. I love it and I have ZERO regrets. Once EVGA left nvidia, I did too.
I absolutely love my 7900XTX. If money was no issue, obviously I would have a 4090. But for (almost) the price of a 4090, I was able to build a full PC with a 7900XTX and a 7800x3D. That is a no-brainer to me.
@@Descenter1976 I splashed out when the 4090 came out, I was happy for 2 months, then I got the dreaded cable connector issue, got a refund, moved to a 7900xtx saved £1000 and bought a Alienware 3440x1440 DWF OLED with it and still had change. Im over the moon....
i love my 4090 low tdp vs xtx and faster in cs 2 call of duty in raytracing xtx cost in my country 1400 euros while i payed only 2k for 4090.. so for 600 euros difference i do not regret.
Proud owner of a Sapphire Radeon 7900 XTX. Very happy with it. My first AMD card since I've always purchased Nvidia cards - from a 9800GT Ultimate, 660, 770, 970, and a 1080. They've all been good cards and never failed me. In fact, I still own my 1st card - Asus 9800GT Ultimate.
Traded my RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra for a 7900xtx, Worst decision of my life. Terrible drivers, even broken drivers, I litterally had to stay on old driver for two updates to even get games to get last splash screens. I’ll never purchase AMD anything every again, it’s not worth the headache, I’m willing to pay alittle more for intel/Nvidia hardware if it means it’ll just work. Should of never strayed from team blue/green
@@outrage20 I had issues with drivers as well, but after a complete driver wipe and new install of AMD adrenaline, it solved the issue. If you haven't completely wiped all drivers before installing the 7900 xtx, it'll cause headaches and screen freezes like I had. I had issues until I completely wiped everything off my pc in GPU drivers. Hope this helps. If it hasn't, it might be another issue. Good luck!
@@outrage20 Same reason why I switched to NVIDIA. Was an AMD Graphics card user for years and the drivers were always a pain. Never had an issue with NVIDIA, great new game support AND the software is the most advanced and user-friendly!!
I got the 7900XTX red devil for $870, plus I overclocked it to 3ghz with a mild undervolt. While nearly a grand is insane for a GPU I plan on using it for years before upgrading. Much better value than the RTX 4080 and 4090.
Upgraded from a nvidia 1080 to a sapphire nitro 7900xtx, absolutely amazing card and very happy with it. I also upgraded to an AMD system at the same time with a 7800x3d 32gb ram, 2tb samsung m.2 on a 32" 1440p monitor.
That is an insane upgrade, I went from 1070 and ryzen 2600x to 13900k and 4090 myself, I was absolutely blown away by the difference in performance. Makes sense looking at it on graphs, but actually experiencing the difference in person is unreal.
@@RealLordShaxx I thought upscaling was the norm (for benchmarks) now so I was happy to still be included as someone who (unfortunately) dislikes Upscaling. (Unfortunately because I could’ve bought a cheaper GPU otherwise)
The price equivalent makes AMD faster running two xtx's at the moment. Also a BIG issue with his FSR testing, always always always Ultra Performance then make custom Ultra/high settings otherwise you're not getting the true performance. You don't notice quality difference at all between FSR actually being enabled at quality versus ultra performance or performance.
@@ardi1606 If that were the case here I would of gone with the 4080. Here in Aus the 7900xtx starts around the $1500 where as the 4080 starts around the $1850. I was able to snag my 7900xtx for sale under the $1500 mark which allowed me to put a waterblock on it for less then a typical 4080
Same here at Europe ATM. I bought a MSI 7900XTX for 1000€ (1100USD), and the cheapest RTX4090 from a reputable brand is 2100€ (2300USD), while RTX4080 is around 1400€ (1550USD)
20:16 What's happening here is the shader cache resetting with new game updates, which in Fortnite means horrible stuttering until all the shaders are rebuilt since it's UE based. This isn't really a Radeon issue but rather an Epic/UE issue.
It’s also true anytime you update drivers. Playing any game for the first time will have stutters as the shaders are rendered for the first time, after which they’re cached.
Honestly I could have got a 4090 but wanted to see what a full AMD build would be like. I am not disappointed my 7900xtx does everything at the highest settings for 1440 and with a 7900x cpu. The software is easy to use and I have not had a single issue yet.
how are the colors on your AMD? min are really bad, every game has a white glance over it and theres nothing that can be done about it. now im looking to go to NVIDIA
Maybe thats FSR? It's honestly not very good at the moment, see if you have that turned on and disable it to test if the image quality improves. I hope they improve FSR soon, I wasn't impressed with it side by side with dlss in quality mode
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button.
As someone who's used exclusively AMD cards for the last 10 years, let me tell you: Adrenalin is pure garbage. Nobody in their right mind should use it, especially if overclocking. It is convenient sometimes, especially since it has Ryzen Master integration, but man, what a piece of trash it is. Out of 8-9 computers I've had in the last 10 years or so, not a single one had properly running AMD software for longer than 2-3 weeks. First it was Catalyst Center, then it was Crimson center or w/e that was called, now it's Adrenalin. But essentially, it's the same borked native driver manager AMD keep rebranding. It does work in a few week intervals, before it breaks, and most of the time the only solution is fresh windows reinstall. Like 80% of OS reinstalls in my entire life happened because of AMD's garbage software. For the last few years I've just been installing the driver raw, without Adrenalin, and it worked like a charm. To be fair, I've got no clue how Nvidia's control center behaves, so it might be just as enormous burning pile of trash, but I haven't used Nvidia, so idk. AMD's control software is horrible, tho. If you want proper overclock, use Afterburner.
Been using AMD since my first system with a R9 390. Never had any major driver related issues, and adrenaline has been a massive upgrade over what they had back then. Used over R9 390, R9 Fury, Vega 56, Vega 64, 6800XT, and now 7900XTX. chill has caused stuttering for me on Vega but that went away on 6800XT. Overclocking/undervolting has been quite poor on my 7900XT. Seems like no matter how little I move clocks or voltage, it'll eventually get game crashes. But it's perfectly happy if I leave those alone and just bump up the fan curve. I've built a couple PCs for friends upgrading, and chose 6800s and 6650's, and both have been happy with no issues. Both give a big plus for not needing a login for the drivers, along with broken drivers in games like fallout 4 that nvidia hasn't fixed on their end.
i like the software. works good for overclocking/undervolting for me. been using amd since 590. no complaints at all, no driver issues no problems at all to be honest. i also run 3 monitors 1 Ultrawide 2 standard, all diff resolutions and never gave me trouble with that either
@not_a_samsquamsh6777 well I have different experience amd adrealine is utter trash garbage first high idle power consumption coming from adrealine garbage software, with my trio monitor setup i idle at 100w, not fixed to this day...record&streaming tab crashes adrealine not fixed to this day, there are hundreds of pages of same problems over Internet, so your "never had problem" is pure bs to me
@@akcesoriumpc6421 oh yeah, that's an issue i've had since going to the 7900XTX. Even after their driver"fix" it still pulls around 100 watts idle at desktop. Recording and streaming has never caused an issue for me. I use it almost on a daily basis when gaming for instant replay. But, i'm also only using one monitor.
I had no idea the 7900xtx was that close to the 4090 in pure raster. I figured it was a much wider gap. 30% less performance for 50% lest cost. Seems like a no brainer.
Raytracing is what the 4090 really leads at. If you can put up with less or no raytracing, the 7900XTX will have all the performance you're likely to need.
Unless you like RT then it's a No-brainer for the 4090. 4090 is always better for ML workloads and most science workloads since they're HW accelerated with CUDA and Tensor cores. As not just a gamer it seemed silly not to get the 4090(although I bought it a year ago before recent price hikes too).
@@innopriest "unless you like RT then its a no brainer for the 4090" makes absolutely no sense. and no one here was talking about ML or science workloads. wtf are you even talking about. lets just hop in the comments section and spew off some totally unrelated nonsense no one cares about.
Already bought the 7900xtx with a 7800x3d. The price and connector burning concerns steered me clear of the 4090 as I have also stuffed it all into a Dan A4-H20.
So should the broken Vapor Chamber design on the 7900XTX, that was a big thing at release. None Talks about anymore but if some dude uses a bad Adapter on the 4090, its Nvidias Fault Xd
Here in Sweden with our expensive part prices the 4090 is ridiculously overpriced at around 2500 US dollars minimum. For comparison I just bought a 7900xtx for 1150 US dollars and the 4080 is at least 1450… hopefully I don’t regret my purchase when the 4080 super releases!
Nice review as always. Didn't expect any surprises. Xtx was maxed out the day I bought it. Finished Phantom Liberty with RT reflection and FSR2.1. CPR should update to FSR 3 soon. I see ghosting and simmering at 4K FSR quality. Think I prefer 4K native with no RT.
I'm very happy with my RX 7900 XTX. If you enjoy gaming, and don't rely too much on RT, it's great for the money. Insane FPS. I don't believe the 4080 to be a "Step up" from the 7900XTX (except in price)
Rt is garbage marketing stunts from ngredia shinny lighting to sell more garbage down Nvidia fanboys throat dumping in their mouth with shiny bottom crack of ngreedia for fanboys to look at in amazement while throwing away money
Lol. Single digit percentage difference in raster in favour of AMD and double digit difference in RT in favour of Nvidia...clearly the 4080 is a step-up. In price too. If both were similarly priced, it'd be top tier foolishness to go for the AMD card.
Thank you Steve for redoing this comparison. Currently running a 5800x3d + 7900XTX (Nitro+) and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. For roughly £1300 in total, upgraded from a 2700x+ RTX2080 Super and my gameplay experience went stratosferic. Yes, I could have paid another £1000 for a 4090, but for mostly single-player games that I play it didn't make any sense. And your 18% - 21% (non RT/Upscaling) conclusion just reinforces I made the right decision. Yes, RT is nice, but not for twice the money.
Thanks for the great video! I can really see the effort you put into your research. I just wanted to point out something regarding your use of statistics. For example, around 16:38 in the video, the 4K statistic you mentioned isn't normally distributed, which makes the mean a less reliable indicator. In such cases, using the median might be more accurate than the mean. Thanks again for the amazing work you do on both of your channels!
Got my XFX 7900 XTX I'm March for $950 and have been LOVING GAMING ❤️ Just fished Immortals of Aveum totally maxed out at almost 100fps avg and Everything just plays exceptionally well. I'm Super Excited for the future too with a ton of UE5 games on the way and having UE5 perform so well. The future is bright indeed! Highly recommend it if you can afford one 💯
I bought the ASUS TUF RX 7900XT for $877 and overclocked it 30% past what it is SUPPOSED to perform at. The 7900XT is supposed to put out 28,684 points and the 7900XTX is supposed to be 30,340 points in PassMark 3d mark. My ASUS TUF RX 7900XT was able to overclock all the way to 37,552 points(I have the proof video on my channel) which puts my overclocked 7900XT withing 75 points of a RTX 4090 and over 3,000 points over a RTX 4080 Super! These AIB boards with monster coolers(like ASUS, Nitro +, Gigabyte etc...) have sooooo much headroom for overclocking it's really scary! I never thought my $900 card could ever be within a split hairs difference from a $1,800 RTX 4090! Life's good where I'm sitting rn... This is NUTS!
I love that you guys do these real time - relevant reviews. Love your content, and I love my 7900XTX. Even if I did buy it for $1200 on launch. It's just that much sweeter now ;D Also, why wasn't the issue with the power connect not addressed? That was considered in my purchased and now with DeBaur's video on how he doesnt trust it, seems much more relevant.
Good vid to see. Something that might be interesting is theres been some recent tests showing RDNA3 to be faster on Linux using RADV than it is on Windows by a decent margin on average. Worth considering
@@swagfella2780 Why? Linux has become much more popular in recent years and gaming is infinitely more viable than it used to be thanks to Valve and Proton.
If you're buying a 4090 in the States, buy from a brick and mortar store (Best Buy / Micro Center). They still sell them for $1699 depending on model. (Last week BB had MSI Gaming Trio for only $1599).
@@tokageebo He's right actually. Even though they arent as commonly stocked as they used to be I have seen 4090's for those prices at my local Micro Center. They had a TUF OC 4090 a couple of weeks ago for $1799. I paid the same price over 14 months ago at same place.
No, he's right. Best Buy gets regular stock of the FE and other MSRP cards. So does MC though both have been constrained recently. I'd never buy one of those marked up cards, and no one really has to. It just takes a few weeks of checking BB's site and you'll see the 4090. Buy it and you're good to go.@@tokageebo
Hey Steve and Tim, wanted to mention that your B-rolls are the smoothest of all tech channels out there! Great lighting and zero stuttering, awesome! Keep up the good work! 18:19
Thanks steve. Also, as for Warzone, I've noticed some weirdness with the 7900xtx as well. In zombies, there are certain areas where my fps will consistently drop to 100-120fps. It is easily repeatable at the exact same spots every game. Oddly enough, this doesn't seem to happen in regular warzone BR and I tend to sit around 250 fps (1440 native, low/medium settings, 7800x3d). Which mode do you test in?
The 4090 at $2000, closer to $2200, is absolutely ridiculous. I got mine used for $1100 6 months ago because I wasn't willing to pay $1600, glad I did.
@@GewelReal It was from an Alienware. Guy fell on hard times and no one was buying the whole thing so he parted it out at what I imagine was a pretty big loss.
Here in Germany the XTX is 950€, RTX 4090 is 1950€ If you dont give a shit about Raytracing, is not even worth thinking about tbh unless you dont care at all about the price
I‘m a living room, game pad addicted, single player 4K oled tv dude type. I finished my 2000 euro 7900xtx setup yesterday and i‘m pretty happy with the result.
@@MrAnimescrazy Lg48cx Msi tomahawk b650 wifi 7800x3d 32gb gskill flare x5 6000mhz Be quiet pure 12 850w 7900xtx asrock phantom oc Artic liquid freezer II 240 in the top. In a quite small black fractal north. Original intake fans in the front and an Arctic P12 pwm in the back.Non rgb, functional budget 4k setup.
@@MrAnimescrazy We will see how happy i will be in the nearer future. It‘s my first amd gpu. The driver/amd adrenalin is some kind of “fragile”. Had some problems the last days to get a stable undervolt config in cyberpunk. E.g. I set up a good config, that runs good at 1100mv/2950mhz, so I safed it. After loading the config the next day, I got instantly a green screen. Some kind of software mystery 😂 Never had such issues with NVIDIA in combination with the msi afterburner and my 3080. But it’s some kind of motivating to learn, how my unit works and reacts to changes and other settings 🤪
It's funny, I switched from a 3060ti to the 7800xt and I always play directx11 mode in Fortnite. I noticed that the 7800xt somehow felt slower when I thought I would get a huge bump. Glad I'm not crazy.
I always believed the 7900 xtx is a no brainer. It's easily the second best GPU on the market now and for 1k less the fact that it can match the 4090 in some cases is super impressive. I've built a 7900 xtx and a 7800x3d build and I do not regret my purchase at all. That extra 1k spent on the best of everything else. Will happily choose to save 1k over 20fps.
7 months after are you still enjoying it? I'm planning to go with a 7900 xtx and 7800x3D as well, alternatively i was thinking going 7600x and 4090, but not sure if that would be better for 1080p/2k gaming. Honestly im only scared for future proofing as i plan to use this build for the next 4-5 years.
I feel like even 900$ is too much to pay for a single PC component for an average person. If you have to stress about it (can only afford 7900 XTX but not 4090), you're shopping out of your budget. Just go with one of more budget options like 4070 or 7800 XT.
It is very expensive but it's not AS expensive as it appears on paper because of inflation. The GTX 980Ti, which launched at 650$ back in 2015 and was the best card for gaming, would be almost 850$ in todays dollars. The 7900XTX at 900$ would be around 700$ if it launched in 2015. So yeah I agree it's on the pricey end but its not abysmal, the 4090 is definitely abysmal though but they can do it cause AMD doesn't have a close enough competitor (i'd argue the 7900XTX is close enough but the general customer base disagrees).
Welcome to new reality, prices will not go down. You stop playing PC or you buy for what it sells for, or you buy some really budget solutions there will be no other choice. Actually it isnt something new. Prices always go only UP and people keep waiting for lower prices but it only go higher and higher
and the crazy thing is that u actually seem rather brutal for saying that. just 3-4 years ago, i couldn't even imagine spending over 500 usd for a gpu. it's just insane to think that we had gpus like the 1080ti, 2080 super, 3080 for 700 usd and then straight up 1200 for the 4080. hell, we r getting a 40 fucking 60 for 500 usd rn. that's just ridiculous. and all of this not even considering the fuckery nvidia did with the laptop skus. we r basically getting a 4070 level of performance for the price of a 4090. idk what the hell is going on with nvidia. if this goes on, i think this is really it for pc gaming.
I am owner of high refresh rate 4K monitor and I love ray tracing. That's why I bought RTX 4080. It's much more cheaper than RTX 4090 and much more better than 7900 XTX in ray tracing especially. I would buy 7900 XTX for lower resolutions. It makes more sense there, but not for 4K especially when you want ray tracing on.
that isn't true though. the only games you are hitting 4K sub 30FPS in is maybe cyberpunk and that's with max settings and PATH TRACING (not just ray tracing) turned on. Which in reality isnt even an issue cus DLSS 3.5 and frame gen put you well over 60FPS. You are getting a near native resolution end product and any latency from frame gen is extremely negligible. Mostly all other titles you can hit 4K 60+ FPS with no issue. @@tokageebo
@@deadscene1 no, it's not like that. For bigger screens 4k 165Hz with DLSS 3 it's way better then 1440p. But someone who don't have it and never saw it won't understand it ;)
As a 7900XTX launch owner, I'm pretty disappointed overall by the tech gap. Lower IQ upscaling, poor performance with RT, no RT reconstruction, and very few games supporting frame generation. In many games, the performance delta with a 4080 is ridiculous for the pricing difference. Something like Witcher 3 comes to mind where DLSS3 + FG + RT blows away FSR2 + RT. I got a flagship card to run my 3440x1440 monitor at 144Hz, not 60-80Hz.
I really dont like RT. Seeing a 1600 graphics card do only 20-40 fps in many games with it on is STUPID. Why are people so brainwashed by nvidia that they want their 1600 dollar( now 1800+ dollar 4090 due to price increase) graphics card putting out about 40 fps average. That is just pure insanity. Turn off trash RT, and lower settings and get A PERFECT SMOOTH 120 FPS and enjoy life. :)
@@FrostyBud777I agree, framerate and gameplay is way more important than graphics. I play old and new games all the time, takes me 10 seconds to adjust to outdated graphics.
@@FrostyBud777 Brainwashed by the numbers presented. Hardware Unboxed always tried to not use "unfair" features that only NVIDIA have over AMD GPUs. In reality, this is not even fair considering DLSS is superior to FSR in image quality, but this channel like to use it as equal for FPS numbers. Why then they omit to use DLSS3 frame gen in a 4090 card that I would be gladly be using in a game if available? They could show it on the graph with a different color, but it's almost like they want to hide it. By the way, 4090 is a card that can deliver 90 FPS+ in RT path tracing (DLSS balanced, 4k, frame gen) while it blows up out of the water 4k high fps for any other game.
@@FrostyBud777 Your comment shows a lot of misinformation concerning RT and performance with RT. But at least you have the decency to indicate that it's your opinion rather than a fact, so thank you for that.
Doesn't matter AMD has AFMF in the drivers whatever number you're seeing here just times it by 2. The 7900XTX beats out the 4090 especially after FSR 2 is enabled on quality with AFMF.
apart from the fact that AMDs solutions get criticized for looking quiet a bit worse than Nvidias offerings its also kinda crazy that you allow AMDs card to use upscaling and FMF meanwhile you do not allow it on the competing card that offers the same feature?? thats crazy dude@@UKKN516
I ambsolutely love my PowerColor Hellhound 7900xtx. I have used up to 23 gb vram and even ran two games at once by accident a few times. Very Good card for 999$ in february. I love FSR3 and am having a blast with Avatar:FOP. I highly recommend the 7900XTX! I paired it with the 7700x and now own my first AMD cpu/gpu computer in my life. I was nvidia only buyer past 20 years. Intel only too. I am so glad I went to AMD and would never go back.
no coil whine at all, perfectly silent. If you want higher power limits and better fps , go with higher version but for me, adding 15% power limit to hellhound 7900xtx only gives 2-3 fps but uses 415 watts instead of default 360 on this particular card. @@hugo49i
The 4090 really is the best of the best when it comes to DIY desktop discrete graphics cards atm. It's a ridiculous gpu at a ridiculous price. Even if you have 4090 money I still would recommend building an entire system with the RX 7900 XTX when it comes to mostly gaming for most people. This is coming from someone who owns a 4090. But don't get me wrong, I still love my 4090 :).
If I had 4090 money I'd make a 4090 machine. When you're that wealthy you don't have to make that compromise. You'd get the best upscaling, the best RT, the best raster performance, the best across the board really. Especially if you play at 1440p or higher.
Yea it really comes down to what you're going to do with the rest of that $1000 and many of us bought 4090s when they were 1600-1700 rather than 2000+ since that's a fairly recent change in price. Even a couple months ago 1700 was easy to find. For me that other $1000 COULD be spent on other stuff but I don't need it to be and I run a 4k high refresh display so getting 20+% more in every game plus the better DLSS experience is a no brainer. I'm not rich, but I have a narrow set of hobbies and that money just doesn't really have a better place to go to enhance my experience.@@RicochetForce
@@RicochetForce yes and for free you get the highest chance of the card burning your whole pc down because of 12vhpwr cable/connector issues, congratulations. if you have no clue about it, watch der8auer english video about it or like any of the 10 other people that already spread the news but nobody really cares x)
this is how I looked at it. I got mine a few months ago and was able to buy it for roughly $1700 with tax. I didn't need to build a whole new system as mine is already very solid and new. I play a wide range of single player games and ray tracing really does make games look awesome. Pair that with my 4K high refresh rate monitor and I don't feel like it was a waste of money at all. I get it isn't for everyone and I understand the argument for the 7900XTX but for my situation the 4090 was the obvious choice. @@tonymorris4335
Is it just me or is the 7900XTX looking better despite the lower fps overall, but having closer margins between average and 1% low? If I'm understanding it right, that means less perceivable stutter.
My XTX looks good even at 4K 30fps on cyberpunk. Very very smooth. Those 1% and 0.1% lows is what makes your game look smoth vs just having fluctuating high fps.
XTX has more consistent 1% and 0.1% lows. These being more consistent and stable makes the game look smoother. Having more FPS is important for upscaling and the new frame generation for sure though
Whoa, I'm early. Also another great video from HUB!! 4090 is the way to go if you're into Ray Tracing, but I think the value that the 7900 XTX brings is remarkable.
As we progress into further utilization of the current gen consoles, it is only inevitable that games will start being designed with RT in mind. Radeon GPUs as they stand at the moment aren't the “Value King” people would love to believe they are.
@@Aluminium-Can Yeah??? And guess what? The consoles have been getting the shortest end of the stick every step of the way when it comes to Ray Tracing. They constantly have to try & cut the right corners to get RT to work, which is workable on consoles but not so much on PC. This would only mean that going with an RTX will give you a far greater comparative performance to these consoles than a Radeon ever will. Maybe just use your brain a little before assuming that the other person doesn't know shit.
I've been more impressed by HDR presentation than by current RT implementations. As such, I bought into the LG OLED panel, which is currently a 1440p offering, and I own a 6900 XT. The RX 7900 XTX is capable enough at 1440p, and I wouldn't blow the bank on a GeForce RTX 4090 unless I had a 4K panel I need to drive. I'll make a similar evaluation on some future next-gen purchase, where I will probably have this same monitor. I don't consider FSR/DLSS in a purchase, IMO it's a useful tech crutch for low power/mobile devices.
DLSS quality actually makes things look better in a lot of games versus traditional AA implementations. It's not a crutch at all. It also gives you extra fps with virtually no quality loss. Using DLSS also requires the GPU to use less power. There is nothing but advantages when using DLSS. I say this having a 3090 and 4090. I've used both in many games.
My 7900 xtx hellhound roams around 90-110c hotspot temp when playing games like RDR2 and killing bosses in the game Black Desert. Is that normal behavior? The GPU temp is 62c at max.
Just thinking to upgrade my 6900 XT Nitro+ for a 7900 XTX Nitro+. The only reason is my family wants another 2k gaming computer and I'm on 4K, so I can buy everything new for them, and put the 6900 in that PC. Not interested in fake frames and upscaling. Any suggestions?
Well if you want to stay wtig AMD your only options are 7900XT and 7900XTX, in my country for example the price difference is around 200€ beetwnen the two, but personally i wouldn't buy a cheap 7900xtx because i see many reviews with bad thermals i would buy the 7900xt pulse for example which doesn't have any problems with thermals, On the other hand i wouldn't buy the same pulse edition on the rx 7900xtx and i would go for the rx 7900xtx nitro+ instead which is a beast. Tldr if you don't care about money and wanna stay amd go for the rx 7900xtx nitro+ (or similar quality from other brands)
Honestly, your idea is preem. 7900XTX and giving the 6900XT to the fam seems pretty solid, assuming raytracing isn't something your interested in. Went for 4090 for that reason, have enjoyed it pretty thoroughly. Just kinda ought to be wary of 4080 Super launch. If that hits market and normal 4080 prices drop below 1k, it might become the better choice at the price point.
@@GewelReal Why would I do that? Even the 6900XT is much faster in most games than the 4070. Also prefer to keep all with the same driver, easier to manage 3 PC.
I was considering 4080 vs 7900 xtx and chose 7900 xtx, it was very good now in repair cause hotspot issues, hopefully i should get it back soon, i miss it. It was so amazing!
But as soon as i reach 110-120° hotspot i get black / blue screen and no display error on my monitor (in total around 70-80 times since i bought it)@@Son37Lumiere
@@NicholasWicks-ik6gh It's called hot spot for a reason. It's not the temperature the whole die is running at. And guess what, the chips run fine. You just need to get over it.
I got my Asrock FG 7900xtx a few day ago, at the end of December. Pair it with my 7800x3d and both go 4k 144hz ultra setting in game without a sweat (+300mhz OC and undervolt for GPU)😊
I tried xess with my 7900xtx on CyberPunk 2077 and was actually surprised to find frame rate and image quality was better over fsr 2.0. This was just trying out for fun a few months back. Somewhat curious, what the benchmarks would look like doing xess certified games with both amd and nvidia gpu's for fun. Great content and keep up the excellent work!
Just noticed the channel has over 1 million subscribers now, congrats lads, very well deserved. Hardware Unboxed remains a trusted source for PC parts information - I've gone with a number of choices for my setup based on the info I found here, never a regret. All the best for 2024.
I'm glad I built my 4090 system right before the prices shot up. The 7900 XTX will definitely be a better price to performance, but I like using DLSS when possible and use RTX on single player titles so the 4090 was the product for me. At the current pricing though, I would just look at a 4080 or wait and see what the 50 series offers.
@michaeltyson7870 it's called preference. Let alone DLSS and ray tracing performance is better on Nvida IF that's a person's thing. Any graphics card over $999 should be Superior . And you shouldn't have to use tricks to get it to perform great out the box
@@UKKN516 Very convenient of you to use frame gen to "double" your frame rates without mentioning that NVIDIA has frame gen as well and in a lot of cases can do it with less artifacting and ghosting. Not to mention that frame gen is only worth it to most people if the base frame rate is good enough to begin with. I specifically use frame gen in addition to DLSS and good game settings to get a smoother experience, but I don't have to use it as a crutch because my card is powerful enough at higher resolutions to output a good fps before using any generated frames or upscaling. Like I said in my original comment, the 4090 was the way to go for me because I play a lot of stuff that benefits from RTX and upscaling. If you don't care about those things, then sure, buy a 7900 XTX, but don't sit there and say that a single magical setting is gonna make a 7900 XTX perform better than a 4090 when the 4090 is 30-40% faster out of the box before relying on upscaling and generated frames that both of the cards have access to.
@@bigdaddyt150 Exactly. If you don't care about ray tracing or upscaling, then the 7900 XTX can be a compelling choice, but both AMD and NVIDIA are guilty of trying to market their upscaling and frame gen technologies as free frames with no downsides. In something like an upscaled ray tracing scenario with frame gen capped at 120fps, the 4090 is gonna be a lot smoother than the 7900 XTX because it's a lot more powerful and can pump out a higher fps before having to rely on the upscaling or frame gen.
@@caelanb1711 if I'm spending above $1000 the graphics card should be able to do everything without doing special tricks like over clocking or under volting That's why we choose to pay that insane amount of money. Love seeing people doing mental gymnastics with themselves with the 7900XTX as if they got more for $600 less . No you didn't and hardware unboxed is showing you that you didn't in most of these screen slides. Especially with DLSS and Ray tracing ON
@@Scharamo Gerade auf der Suche und ja hast recht, die XTX is Stabil um die 1k. Die 4080 wird 300 mehr gehandelt. Das ist der Preis für eine extra rx 6700xt... Ich suche mir gerade eine passende XTX aus
Could someone please do Ollama comparison, tokens per second, on these two cards. What is the difference when running inference? LLama2 for example, ollama run llama2:13b
Its on purpose - Nvidia know they are releasing the Super variants soon, so they jack up the prices of the current cards so that their Super prices don't look so horrendous (which they will be).
It's not on purpose. It's the market. 4090s are the go-to AI toy right now unless you wanna spend 6k on an enterprise card. Blame the reviewers for not seeing this coming; all of us in AI have been warning about this for a year but the reviewers are too lazy to learn how to judge these cards in that arena. AMD just can't AI like NVIDIA can but they think it doesn't matter because reviewers tell us "wow it's got 500 fps rasterized for 1100 bucks what a great card" which is beyond irrelevant to the market. If they'd been hounding Intel and AMD to make consumer level AI cards those companies would be killing it and 4090s would be 1200 bucks.
@@milo8425 Thank you for breathing truth and facts into this discussion. It's insane how gamers are seemingly unaware of the political situation going on. And how the 4090 is a nice way to circumvent blocks to gain access to powerful machine learning hardware. And you're dead on that the failure of Intel and AMD to compute on the AI side is allowing Nvidia to run rampant with prices. And that's before we get to productivity where the 4090 stomps the XTX.
@@milo8425 why is it the reviewers fault when thats not their area of expertise? To the average consumer AI was the thing that makes the NPC enemies do the thing in whatever games youre playing and not much else. pre-GPT no one on the consumer side gave 2 shits about AI performance, so why is it on reviewers, who have a primarily consumer based audience, to test something that 99% of their audience doesnt know exists? What use do I, as a normal ass consumer, have for knowing Ai performance? Literally none, so why is it on the reviewers to show something 99% of us have no interest in?
I bought my parts earlier in the year for an all white high end build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. I wanted the best of the best and I definitely have it. I also keep the pc clean.
Obviously anyone can see that the 4090 is almost unanimously the king across most games for average fps. But what I found really interesting in this review but wasn't talked about, was that in almost all tests across the board at all resolutions, there was a tighter gap between the 1% lows and average fps for the 7900XTX vs 4090, which I would hazard a guess that the 1% lows in most cases be more noticeable on the 4090 with a greater fps drop. Also for the difference in price, if you were looking to upgrade both you GPU and monitor there would be a compelling argument to go for the 7900XTX where you could get a premium monitor to go with your GPU for the same price as the 4090 alone. Unless you are 100% set that "Ray-Tracing" is your top priority, I don't think I could justify the extra cost for the 4090. For me personally, the 4090 is money is no object kind of purchase where as the 7900XTX is something I've been considering trying to slip quietly past the wife without her noticing! My take is that if you have the money, sure buy the 4090 and enjoy all it's glory, but for me it just doesn't add enough value to justify the price difference.
I actually sold my PC with a 4090 and built a better one with an XTX. You are absolutely correct, the 1% and 0.1% is a huge factor in the overall smoothness of your game. I was getting pretty high FPS with path tracing on the 4090 but my percent lows weren't as consistent. On the XTX I had less FPS but the percent lows had a much tighter gap and my game looked just as smooth. Especially using the new drivers with the FSR3 mod for cyberpunk. It honestly made me a little angry that it was looking so good despite not having as much FPS. I did a lot more research and realized that game smoothness ends up being more important than just sheer FPS. I looked back at my experience using techniques like GSYNC or FREESYNC on my past GPU's, and remembered how using some of these features actually made the game smoother at the same FPS. Good stuff sir :)
If you're not rolling on a budget, the 4090 is the way to go for top tier 4K RT gaming. Honestly the $1599 I paid for my 4090 FE is nothing over the course of a 2 year product cycle.
I still don’t trust AMD after giving the 6800xt a long try since launch. Adrenalin software is utter garbage and caused nothing but issues for me not ramping up my gpu fans. I got tired of install just the drivers and can’t use any other features. Msi afterburner worked great with it. But I traded the last month for a 3080 and had no issues.
I have the 6900xt and have never had an issue. Meanwhile a friend went for the 3080 and has worse results on benchmarks and gameplay. He wishes he went AMD. It’s so weird how split the market and experiences are with both products. Perhaps brands matter with these cards or the system overall.
Owning a 4090 FE since day one, and loving ray-tracing and all the eye candy, having only 4k displays, the 4090 is the best Upgrade ever. An astonishing powerhouse overlapping 2 gen i one.
I love your companies content! Hope you keep enjoying making videos for a long time. You guys always create such an interesting perspective and insight into products.
Games play phenomenally well on XFX 7900 XTX. I got it in March of last year got 949 and I wouldn't trade a minute of my joy or the future. With 24GB VRAM it's future looks Bright especially with UE5 doing very well and tons of games coming using that tech. I believe it has been the best value in high end gaming. Looking forward to a price drop when the Super cards come out. I'd highly recommend it if it's a hundred bucks less
I have purchased the 4090 for more than a year now and it is the GPU that has given me the most satisfaction of all, especially now that I play at 7680x2160 (32:9). I stopped playing competitively a few years ago and so I'm interested in immersion and visual performance. I mainly play Soul's like, Action RPG and RPG and some looter shooters so having a high frame rate doesn't interest me that much even though I can reach 240Hz with my current monitor. I think that talking about price-performance ratio in the enthusiast range is conceptually wrong because it is not in this range of HW that compromises are found. I think that the 7900XTX is very valid for those who play competitively and therefore have little interest in RT and/or visual perfection. I think that everyone's needs drive purchasing choices and in my case it was an obligatory choice. I look forward to the 5090/8000, hoping they don't cost even more.
How are you getting 240hz on the 57" with the 4090 ? It wont do it. 120hz is the maximum at native res with either DP or HDMI...240hz is possible at 5120x1440p but it looks gash in comparison. My 7900XTX will do 240hz on both DP and HDMI, but of course it struggles even more than my 4090 does with this monitor.
@@twba1977 You're exactly right. I will be able to reach 240Hz with the 5090. For the moment I am happy with 120Hz also because in the games I usually play I would never reach 240 even with the new DSP. If I absolutely need 240 Hz I use the old Neo G9.
I thought you'd found the cheat code for getting 240hz ! Im happy with 120hz also and like you I have a 49" G9 to use and a couple of 27" G7s also. :-) My Arc A770 wont do 240hz either and it should as its HDMI version is correct.@@Voklesh85
Your cyberpunk data is not my experience with the 7900xtx at all; i get way higher frame rates. I have two systems with two different 7900s, and they both perform way better than this.
Went 4090 after getting a few early builds of the 7900xtx that had nothing but issues. Overheating, artifacting, driver issues, etc. I also paid a grand less exactly a year ago for my 4090 than it’s going for now.
Sucks for you I had zero issues you probably had a Nvidia card before that your PC was probably all fucked up with the driversm most def a user end issue.
The problem is that FSR remains bad while DLSS is great. It's apples to oranges comparison when one takes the same base resolution for both when DLSS can be utilized much more aggressively at 4K which these cards are for.
Could you guys potentially do an "popular games AMD vs Nvidia benchmark" video (could take a poll for which GPU tier to feature) where you just compare them in the top games on steam? These singleplayer Triple A games are great for quickly and painlessly benchmarking but they're largely irrelevant as soon as a week or two after release. It would be nice seeing a video that compares the actual most played games, maybe throw in some non-steam extremely popular games as well like Escape from Tarkov, Fortnite etc. Not asking for this to become the new benchmark suite you use for every GPU review ofc, more of a 1 off thing because a) nobody benchmarks most of those games for whatever reason (some are relatively demanding even) b) how it actually stacks up for the average PC gamer would be better represented
@@attepatte8485 Thats not the point, the point is which runs it BETTER. Everyone ik who games gives 0 F's about Alan Wake 2 or other Triple A slop, at most they'll play it once and not care much about FPS as long as its smooth enough. Meanwhile all the popular ones they'll dump several hundred hours into yet theres no comparisons for the vast majority of them and some are fairly demanding especially compared to something like CS2.
@@DebasedAnonWell everyone I know gives 0 fs about either of the titles you are mentioning and game primarily with the AAA blockbusters. These videos are a perfect middle ground in terms of selection of games. Not a good idea.
@@DebasedAnon HUB have addressed this many times. The variations from game to game, such as what each individual player is doing, makes it very difficult to get consistent results.
Assassin's Creed Mirage says it all at 4K which is the future anyway : 112 fps 7900xtx vs 138fps 4090. even at 1440p you're basically playing ultra settings above 160fps in a non competitive game vs 181fps on 4090. at this point do we really need more fps for single player games to enjoy them? also with FSR enabled the 7900xtx basically smokes the 4090 with better FPS and 1% lows at 1440p which is the sweet spot in gaming now, the middle ground between quality and performance and you still get 145 fps in 4k vs 166fps. which is insane!!! this tells me it's strictly a dev implementation of software at the level of drivers and not a hardware thing. i mean, 24 gb memory should be enough for every game to run full specs on full res but no, they're just bringing performance down because they optimise the games to run better on nvidia than amd, which is a snake move. you can clearly see in the AC graphics comparison that both GPU's are monsters.
I'm never buying 1000 USD on a card that can't run Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive enabled at all. I prefer RT performance over Raster, so I see no point in paying so much for a product I know I won't like. FSR is also still behind DLSS. FSR3 is pretty good though
Why are you even bothering to test at 1080p at the price bracket for these cards? people who can afford 1-2k for a GFX card will be either playing at 1440 ultra-wide or 4k making the 1080p performance irrelevant and misinformative.
I have upgraded the temporary RTX3070 which I bought as replacement for dead GTX980Ti as it was only card available to Sapphire 7900XTX. Went team red after 18 years, no worries with melting connector, price performance is excellent.
That GeForce RT performance gain, DLSS, overall stronger package - 4090 all the way, even with the price difference. Or hell, 4080. Can't wait to see 4080 Supers tested once they're out. If I didn't care about RT (and was willing to buy another Radeon), XTX could be a nice deal.
Bro there must have been a driver issue or something when you did the test om COD Warzone with the RX 7900 XTX.. I get an average of 220fps on MAX settings and over 300fps on low with this card.
The 4090 is double the price, it is NOT double as good as the 7900. Nvidia is just Apple of the gaming world atm. You pay extra for the logo. Ray tracing is also such a gimmick that 95% of people barely use anyway.
Happy with my 4090, and hopefully I can keep it until the 6090 comes out, as I've had a tendency to upgrade every generation the past 6+ years (and always the flagship Nvidia card). I never even considered the 7900XTX; I want the best performing card, running high-end VR and a 4K 144hz monitor. But I hope AMD keeps making cards. Competition is always good.
@@cosmic_gate476 The 1080 came out May 2016. The 2080 came out September 2018. The 3090 came out September 2020. 4090 October 2022. Where are you getting 6 years from exactly? At any rate, if the 5090 turns out to be at least as good of a performance uplift as the 3090 (which I had) to the 4090, I'll probably buy it. If the raster performance increase is only around 30%, I'll likely pass. And for the uninitiated, most AAA games don't play at 4K 144 today with a 4090. That's a best case scenario for indie games, a few modern AAA games and demanding games with DLSS(3).
I don't usually jump every gen. But. I did the last two years. 980ti lasted me until 2021 ish, jumped to 3080 in 2022 , it broke so I jumped on a 3090 in 2023. And then scored a cheap 4090 on eBay later in 2023. I've finally settled and I think this will hold me off for a long time.
Remember this is a gaming only comparison. If you are considering using your GPU for activities like Stable Diffusion, Blender, etc. the RTX 4090's value becomes dramatically improved, but if you are looking at gaming only then as they ultimately reached it really is depending on the price point you were targeting and if ray tracing is particularly relevant to you.
It essentially comes down to do you want to compare or do you just want the best thing out if you're gaming only. Comparisons are all fine and good but I think everyone is targeting a level of performance, right? So we get what we need for what we want. 4090 are the ONLY work GPU I recommend(the lesser cards are still good). If the person is a gamer too? No contest, you're getting the 4090 10/10 times.
@@innopriestyou completely missed his point. The 4090 is the card to get if you want to do machine learning / AI. Lots of people actually do want to do that. AMD isn’t even in the competition because they are so short sighted.
For me the only thing holding Radeon back is the RT performance. If they can manage to get RT performance to the same level as GeForce and also keep prices this much lower, it would be the obvious choice for most gamers, more than it already is.
@@Eleganttf2 I'm not a fan of any one company. I do enjoy AMD products but if they put out something that's a shit value, I'll call it a shit value. That being said not many games support RT still, ESPECIALLY indie games
@@moekitsune "not many games support RT" what year are you living in ? this isnt 2018 or 2019 anymore also why are you saying "especially indie games" when indie games sole focus is mostly not about graphics and more about the story itself.
Short answer is if you care about ray tracing buy into RTX or if you care about value and pure rasterisation buy AMD. But the 4090 is not worth it over the 7900 xtx. In my opinion, nothing on the market right now can match the 7900 xtx power and value at that price point.
7900XT is equally good value, arguably better up to 1440P. An overclocked 7900XT can match or beat an XTX for €200 less. The XTX can overclock very well too but really at 1440P a 7900XT will give you all the performance you need.
@@AltropI got my RTX 4090 for 4K. In the end I think I should have gone with AMD since I don't even use ray tracing, but DLSS is amazing for 4K hands down!
Nvidia is only good in 5 RT games compared to the 50, that's out there it's not selling point AMD can RT not only that but the numbers you just seen times it by 2 that's what the 7900XTX gets with driver level AFMF 4090 really cannot compete.
Something is off with the cyberpunk results. Is upscaling accounting for anything other than the "Quality" preset? I had an RX 6800XT paired with an i5 12600k and at 1080p using XESS/FSR (I found the framerate was similar, but FSR looked better indoors and XESS looked better around foliage/trees and fire/smoke) I got around 120 fps average at 1080p. The 6800XT has since started artifacting and has been replaced with an RTX 3080, to varying results. I honestly preferred the extra VRAM on the 6800XT for gaming with ultra textures on my TV, which is 4k. I mean I can use path tracing now at 1440p using upscaling, so depends on the game because I'm playing through RDR2 right now and the game looks incredible at 4k, so I value texture resolution a little more than I do in other games, but on my next play through of cyberpunk, I will probably value the rt performance because I am on a 1440p monitor now and the RX 6800XT couldn't keep up while using RT at 1440p like it did at 1080p.
As the first ever chiplet GPU the 7900XTX is a great tech demo and also it's not so surprising that the RDNA3 architecture has some faults. Maybe this is just hopeless optimism but I fully expect the next Radeon flagship using RDNA4 coming down the pipe to compete much more directly with whatever Nvidia has to offer in the next few years.
If leaks are true, RDNA4 will not have a N41 chip, and will instead more focus on midrange cards at the 400-600$ price range, similar to RX 5000. Instead, the next flagship is likely going to be with RDNA5.
@@Sepfox I hate it when AMD does stuff like this. It's not like margins are paper thin either when AMD is only barely undercutting Nvidia, and chiplets will benefit the largest GPU the most so right now is the best time for AMD to dig into the high end market. Oh well, if AMD forces me to hang on to the 7900XTX for an extra two years I guess they're just saving me money.
@@budthecyborg4575 Actually, they're doing it for a good reason for once : it's to focus on polishing RDNA 5 because the top die RDNA 4 would have taken a lot more time and money than expected to polish. Furthermore, it sounds like even though they had issue, they did manage to get a lot of things right with what was planned as top die, so hopefully that translates as a big improvement when RDNA 5 does come. Plus as you said, it gives you an "excuse" to keep your 7900XTX for longer lol
@@Sepfoxthis sounds true so far and also RDNA4 will also have a mobile focus, also a refreshed n31 will be sold along rdna4, rdna5 is moved up and most likely will appear at the high end perhaps at CES 2025 so only a full year away
The 4090 is such a ridiculous price, that really nothing can compare to it. You could build a entire system with a 7900 XTX in it for $2000.
This makes 5090 looks good with $2500 msrp and $3000 real price in 2025!
🤣🤣🤣
And 5080 at $1500 looks also good!
and less good 5070 at $1000
and "normal" low end 5060 at $500
It is easy to predict future...
*distant cries of the poor people*
But 7900XTX will cost 1000$ a year more in Power Usage alone 😃 Nevermind all the shit you will get with drivers and other AMD bullshit.
This is true. But if money doesn't matter and you just want the best card the 4090 is the one, with "worth" being subjective
In that regard the 4090 is in a class.of it's own between performance and features
4090 at 1844$ is 92% higher cost than the 7900xtx 960$ on PC part picker right now. I am glad I left nvidia and got my first AMD gpu/cpu this build. I love it and I have ZERO regrets. Once EVGA left nvidia, I did too.
I absolutely love my 7900XTX. If money was no issue, obviously I would have a 4090. But for (almost) the price of a 4090, I was able to build a full PC with a 7900XTX and a 7800x3D. That is a no-brainer to me.
Exactly what I did! :)
i did as well and as you know its kicka$$ :)
Same
@@Descenter1976 I splashed out when the 4090 came out, I was happy for 2 months, then I got the dreaded cable connector issue, got a refund, moved to a 7900xtx saved £1000 and bought a Alienware 3440x1440 DWF OLED with it and still had change. Im over the moon....
i love my 4090 low tdp vs xtx and faster in cs 2 call of duty in raytracing xtx cost in my country 1400 euros while i payed only 2k for 4090.. so for 600 euros difference i do not regret.
Proud owner of a Sapphire Radeon 7900 XTX. Very happy with it.
My first AMD card since I've always purchased Nvidia cards - from a 9800GT Ultimate, 660, 770, 970, and a 1080. They've all been good cards and never failed me. In fact, I still own my 1st card - Asus 9800GT Ultimate.
Traded my RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra for a 7900xtx,
Worst decision of my life. Terrible drivers, even broken drivers, I litterally had to stay on old driver for two updates to even get games to get last splash screens. I’ll never purchase AMD anything every again, it’s not worth the headache, I’m willing to pay alittle more for intel/Nvidia hardware if it means it’ll just work. Should of never strayed from team blue/green
@@outrage20 I had issues with drivers as well, but after a complete driver wipe and new install of AMD adrenaline, it solved the issue. If you haven't completely wiped all drivers before installing the 7900 xtx, it'll cause headaches and screen freezes like I had. I had issues until I completely wiped everything off my pc in GPU drivers.
Hope this helps. If it hasn't, it might be another issue. Good luck!
@@outrage20 Same reason why I switched to NVIDIA. Was an AMD Graphics card user for years and the drivers were always a pain. Never had an issue with NVIDIA, great new game support AND the software is the most advanced and user-friendly!!
@@akasynergy5504not gonna lie the adrenaline software is better than nvidias laughable control panel
@@outrage20 Sounds like user error, or were you simply paid to post this?
I got the 7900XTX red devil for $870, plus I overclocked it to 3ghz with a mild undervolt. While nearly a grand is insane for a GPU I plan on using it for years before upgrading. Much better value than the RTX 4080 and 4090.
I did the same with a 7900xtx asrock phantom gaming the undervolt plus 15 power limit and the thing rips.
7900xtx Red devil is a beast, managed to snag for 780. But ended up selling for decent profit to fund 4090
My 7900XTX Liquid Devil with UV and OC gives ~20% more than default card... getting pretty close to 4090
Imagine if 4090 had a fair price of 1000$…. Nvidia’s greed is sad.
Better value than the 4080? Lmao no.
Upgraded from a nvidia 1080 to a sapphire nitro 7900xtx, absolutely amazing card and very happy with it. I also upgraded to an AMD system at the same time with a 7800x3d 32gb ram, 2tb samsung m.2 on a 32" 1440p monitor.
That is an insane upgrade, I went from 1070 and ryzen 2600x to 13900k and 4090 myself, I was absolutely blown away by the difference in performance. Makes sense looking at it on graphs, but actually experiencing the difference in person is unreal.
Do you have coil whine?
i upgrade from 1060 to 4090 last year also is limited edition 4090 eva-02 that why i did cost me a lot also import from USA
@@Assassin2928At this point I can’t escape coil whine no matter what card I have lol. Thank god it’s only when I first load up certain games though.
No it's a pretty quiet, I do have quite a big noctua cooler for my CPU that I can hear.@@Assassin2928
I‘m really happy that both with Upscaling and without gets included in these benchmarks. That way everyone gets applicable results for themselves.
even nicer that upscaling is common enough to even consider it.
@@RealLordShaxx I thought upscaling was the norm (for benchmarks) now so I was happy to still be included as someone who (unfortunately) dislikes Upscaling.
(Unfortunately because I could’ve bought a cheaper GPU otherwise)
The price equivalent makes AMD faster running two xtx's at the moment. Also a BIG issue with his FSR testing, always always always Ultra Performance then make custom Ultra/high settings otherwise you're not getting the true performance. You don't notice quality difference at all between FSR actually being enabled at quality versus ultra performance or performance.
Personally I went with a 7900xtx. I just cannot justify the price differences here in Australia between the 490, 480 and the 7900xtx
Here in Indonesia, the 4080 is $50 cheaper on average than the 7900 XTX.
@@ardi1606 If that were the case here I would of gone with the 4080. Here in Aus the 7900xtx starts around the $1500 where as the 4080 starts around the $1850. I was able to snag my 7900xtx for sale under the $1500 mark which allowed me to put a waterblock on it for less then a typical 4080
Same here at Europe ATM. I bought a MSI 7900XTX for 1000€ (1100USD), and the cheapest RTX4090 from a reputable brand is 2100€ (2300USD), while RTX4080 is around 1400€ (1550USD)
@@brentonevans5643 i'm in australia as well and build a whole highend rig for the price of a 4090
The extra $$$ do not justify the fire hazard either..at least for the 4090
20:16 What's happening here is the shader cache resetting with new game updates, which in Fortnite means horrible stuttering until all the shaders are rebuilt since it's UE based. This isn't really a Radeon issue but rather an Epic/UE issue.
It’s also true anytime you update drivers. Playing any game for the first time will have stutters as the shaders are rendered for the first time, after which they’re cached.
But why this does not happen on nVidia gpu?
Isn't that because of dxnavi?
It is an epic issue but Nvidia somehow made a workaround for it. AMD should also be able to make one if Nvidia can
@@proklet4694 one possible reason could be that their drivers use asynchronous shader compilation. I don’t know if this is actually the case though.
Honestly I could have got a 4090 but wanted to see what a full AMD build would be like. I am not disappointed my 7900xtx does everything at the highest settings for 1440 and with a 7900x cpu. The software is easy to use and I have not had a single issue yet.
Does your amd application have to be open during your game in order for your customizations to work? Or can you just set and forget?
@@Aluminium-Can awesome ty for the reply
how are the colors on your AMD? min are really bad, every game has a white glance over it and theres nothing that can be done about it. now im looking to go to NVIDIA
Maybe thats FSR? It's honestly not very good at the moment, see if you have that turned on and disable it to test if the image quality improves. I hope they improve FSR soon, I wasn't impressed with it side by side with dlss in quality mode
I have the 7900xtx also and very happy with it. Never had any issues at all with it. Also have 6800 xt.
One pro that is never really mentioned for AMD GPUs is that the Adrenalin Software is really good. You can overclock or undervolt each game separate at the touch of a button.
As someone who's used exclusively AMD cards for the last 10 years, let me tell you: Adrenalin is pure garbage. Nobody in their right mind should use it, especially if overclocking. It is convenient sometimes, especially since it has Ryzen Master integration, but man, what a piece of trash it is. Out of 8-9 computers I've had in the last 10 years or so, not a single one had properly running AMD software for longer than 2-3 weeks. First it was Catalyst Center, then it was Crimson center or w/e that was called, now it's Adrenalin. But essentially, it's the same borked native driver manager AMD keep rebranding. It does work in a few week intervals, before it breaks, and most of the time the only solution is fresh windows reinstall. Like 80% of OS reinstalls in my entire life happened because of AMD's garbage software. For the last few years I've just been installing the driver raw, without Adrenalin, and it worked like a charm. To be fair, I've got no clue how Nvidia's control center behaves, so it might be just as enormous burning pile of trash, but I haven't used Nvidia, so idk. AMD's control software is horrible, tho. If you want proper overclock, use Afterburner.
Been using AMD since my first system with a R9 390. Never had any major driver related issues, and adrenaline has been a massive upgrade over what they had back then. Used over R9 390, R9 Fury, Vega 56, Vega 64, 6800XT, and now 7900XTX. chill has caused stuttering for me on Vega but that went away on 6800XT. Overclocking/undervolting has been quite poor on my 7900XT. Seems like no matter how little I move clocks or voltage, it'll eventually get game crashes. But it's perfectly happy if I leave those alone and just bump up the fan curve. I've built a couple PCs for friends upgrading, and chose 6800s and 6650's, and both have been happy with no issues. Both give a big plus for not needing a login for the drivers, along with broken drivers in games like fallout 4 that nvidia hasn't fixed on their end.
i like the software. works good for overclocking/undervolting for me. been using amd since 590. no complaints at all, no driver issues no problems at all to be honest. i also run 3 monitors 1 Ultrawide 2 standard, all diff resolutions and never gave me trouble with that either
@not_a_samsquamsh6777 well I have different experience amd adrealine is utter trash garbage first high idle power consumption coming from adrealine garbage software, with my trio monitor setup i idle at 100w, not fixed to this day...record&streaming tab crashes adrealine not fixed to this day, there are hundreds of pages of same problems over Internet, so your "never had problem" is pure bs to me
@@akcesoriumpc6421 oh yeah, that's an issue i've had since going to the 7900XTX. Even after their driver"fix" it still pulls around 100 watts idle at desktop. Recording and streaming has never caused an issue for me. I use it almost on a daily basis when gaming for instant replay. But, i'm also only using one monitor.
I had no idea the 7900xtx was that close to the 4090 in pure raster. I figured it was a much wider gap. 30% less performance for 50% lest cost. Seems like a no brainer.
Raytracing is what the 4090 really leads at. If you can put up with less or no raytracing, the 7900XTX will have all the performance you're likely to need.
@@spankeyfish Even then, unless we are talking about Pathtracing, i think 7900 XTX does fine, considering how bad it was for 6000 series.
Unless you like RT then it's a No-brainer for the 4090. 4090 is always better for ML workloads and most science workloads since they're HW accelerated with CUDA and Tensor cores. As not just a gamer it seemed silly not to get the 4090(although I bought it a year ago before recent price hikes too).
@@innopriest "unless you like RT then its a no brainer for the 4090" makes absolutely no sense. and no one here was talking about ML or science workloads. wtf are you even talking about. lets just hop in the comments section and spew off some totally unrelated nonsense no one cares about.
the average is closer to 20 not 30.
I appreciate the updated 7900XTX review, especially with all the driver maturity in the last year.
Already bought the 7900xtx with a 7800x3d. The price and connector burning concerns steered me clear of the 4090 as I have also stuffed it all into a Dan A4-H20.
Sweet
But them all, no one cares
What do you do for a living?
I have that case too! It’s great
So should the broken Vapor Chamber design on the 7900XTX, that was a big thing at release. None Talks about anymore but if some dude uses a bad Adapter on the 4090, its Nvidias Fault Xd
Here in Sweden with our expensive part prices the 4090 is ridiculously overpriced at around 2500 US dollars minimum. For comparison I just bought a 7900xtx for 1150 US dollars and the 4080 is at least 1450… hopefully I don’t regret my purchase when the 4080 super releases!
Why don't you just buy from Mindfactory or something? You're in the EU.. no taxes, tarifs etc.
Trust me 4080 super will cost 250+ more than 7900 xtx so you will not regret anything Nvidia overprice everything
Lol. 4080S is 999. 4080 price drop incoming.
@@jal.ajeera source?
@@jal.ajeera Keep dreaming.
Nice review as always. Didn't expect any surprises. Xtx was maxed out the day I bought it.
Finished Phantom Liberty with RT reflection and FSR2.1. CPR should update to FSR 3 soon. I see ghosting and simmering at 4K FSR quality.
Think I prefer 4K native with no RT.
I'm very happy with my RX 7900 XTX. If you enjoy gaming, and don't rely too much on RT, it's great for the money. Insane FPS. I don't believe the 4080 to be a "Step up" from the 7900XTX (except in price)
I got mine this christmas, super happy. Dead Space remake looks godly.
Actually, when we game. There no time to focus to see how beautiful the Ray tracing are shown on screen.
Rt is garbage marketing stunts from ngredia shinny lighting to sell more garbage down Nvidia fanboys throat dumping in their mouth with shiny bottom crack of ngreedia for fanboys to look at in amazement while throwing away money
Lol. Single digit percentage difference in raster in favour of AMD and double digit difference in RT in favour of Nvidia...clearly the 4080 is a step-up. In price too. If both were similarly priced, it'd be top tier foolishness to go for the AMD card.
@@jal.ajeera Nvidia is garbage their only marketing is lighting in game rt bs selling point lol
Thank you Steve for redoing this comparison. Currently running a 5800x3d + 7900XTX (Nitro+) and I couldn't be happier with my purchase. For roughly £1300 in total, upgraded from a 2700x+ RTX2080 Super and my gameplay experience went stratosferic. Yes, I could have paid another £1000 for a 4090, but for mostly single-player games that I play it didn't make any sense. And your 18% - 21% (non RT/Upscaling) conclusion just reinforces I made the right decision. Yes, RT is nice, but not for twice the money.
You and I had and have very similar systems. I went from a 2600X and 2060, to a 5800X3D and a 7900 XT.
And your house won't burn down cause you didn't blow 2000 dollars on the most unnecessary gpu
IF you game in 4K, no other gpu is worth it..
RT isn't even nice, I find it hard to tell the difference in gameplay except in screenshots or close examination
and you can UV/OC and get 10-20% increase in perf on the xtx- spitting distance with the 4090.
Thanks for the great video! I can really see the effort you put into your research. I just wanted to point out something regarding your use of statistics. For example, around 16:38 in the video, the 4K statistic you mentioned isn't normally distributed, which makes the mean a less reliable indicator. In such cases, using the median might be more accurate than the mean. Thanks again for the amazing work you do on both of your channels!
I bought a 7900XTX to replace a 3070 and I don't regret it at all. I ended up picking up the card for $850 from Micro Center.
That is a good deal. Alot of performance for less than $1000.
@@youtubepidariWhere? Was it used?
@@youtubepidari i got mine and its a rock
Got my XFX 7900 XTX I'm March for $950 and have been LOVING GAMING ❤️ Just fished Immortals of Aveum totally maxed out at almost 100fps avg and Everything just plays exceptionally well. I'm Super Excited for the future too with a ton of UE5 games on the way and having UE5 perform so well. The future is bright indeed! Highly recommend it if you can afford one 💯
1080p i presume?
Bruh my 4060 is getting a 80-100fps in 1440P playing Aveum HAHAHAHAHAHHAA such a shame GPU worth of $950 can only get 100fps in Aveum
@@Explorer374 A 4060 gets less than 40 fps at 1440p low in that game genius. Tell us more bs.
I bought the ASUS TUF RX 7900XT for $877 and overclocked it 30% past what it is SUPPOSED to perform at. The 7900XT is supposed to put out 28,684 points and the 7900XTX is supposed to be 30,340 points in PassMark 3d mark. My ASUS TUF RX 7900XT was able to overclock all the way to 37,552 points(I have the proof video on my channel) which puts my overclocked 7900XT withing 75 points of a RTX 4090 and over 3,000 points over a RTX 4080 Super! These AIB boards with monster coolers(like ASUS, Nitro +, Gigabyte etc...) have sooooo much headroom for overclocking it's really scary! I never thought my $900 card could ever be within a split hairs difference from a $1,800 RTX 4090! Life's good where I'm sitting rn... This is NUTS!
I love that you guys do these real time - relevant reviews. Love your content, and I love my 7900XTX. Even if I did buy it for $1200 on launch. It's just that much sweeter now ;D Also, why wasn't the issue with the power connect not addressed? That was considered in my purchased and now with DeBaur's video on how he doesnt trust it, seems much more relevant.
Good vid to see. Something that might be interesting is theres been some recent tests showing RDNA3 to be faster on Linux using RADV than it is on Windows by a decent margin on average. Worth considering
Not worth considering if its on linux
@@swagfella2780 Why? Linux has become much more popular in recent years and gaming is infinitely more viable than it used to be thanks to Valve and Proton.
@@swagfella2780 well it’s faster and the drivers are massively better.
Amd driver have always been trash and got annihilated by the radv linux one.
@@aviatedviewssound4798 they're not even that bad on windows. People just like to shit on them
If you're buying a 4090 in the States, buy from a brick and mortar store (Best Buy / Micro Center). They still sell them for $1699 depending on model. (Last week BB had MSI Gaming Trio for only $1599).
You're high dude
@@tokageebo He's right actually. Even though they arent as commonly stocked as they used to be I have seen 4090's for those prices at my local Micro Center. They had a TUF OC 4090 a couple of weeks ago for $1799. I paid the same price over 14 months ago at same place.
@@tokageeboyour mom was high last night
No, he's right. Best Buy gets regular stock of the FE and other MSRP cards. So does MC though both have been constrained recently. I'd never buy one of those marked up cards, and no one really has to. It just takes a few weeks of checking BB's site and you'll see the 4090. Buy it and you're good to go.@@tokageebo
I bought mine from microcenter and paid $2000 before prices went up over a year ago strix oc
Hey Steve and Tim, wanted to mention that your B-rolls are the smoothest of all tech channels out there! Great lighting and zero stuttering, awesome! Keep up the good work! 18:19
Thanks steve.
Also, as for Warzone, I've noticed some weirdness with the 7900xtx as well. In zombies, there are certain areas where my fps will consistently drop to 100-120fps. It is easily repeatable at the exact same spots every game. Oddly enough, this doesn't seem to happen in regular warzone BR and I tend to sit around 250 fps (1440 native, low/medium settings, 7800x3d).
Which mode do you test in?
These results are not accurate at all. Amd performs great in wz. They screwed the test.
They're 100% accurate, you can see user testing here confirming them: th-cam.com/video/5Xtk_9B3eDk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pTWd6oF_XTkELVPl&t=299
The 4090 at $2000, closer to $2200, is absolutely ridiculous. I got mine used for $1100 6 months ago because I wasn't willing to pay $1600, glad I did.
Damn you got an extremely good deal!
who the hell would sell 4090 already??
@@GewelReal Someone who'd rather not risk burning their house down
@@GewelReal It was from an Alienware. Guy fell on hard times and no one was buying the whole thing so he parted it out at what I imagine was a pretty big loss.
so you bought a 4090 with a questionable cooler and no warranty? @@Lauterec
Here in Germany the XTX is 950€, RTX 4090 is 1950€
If you dont give a shit about Raytracing, is not even worth thinking about tbh unless you dont care at all about the price
I‘m a living room, game pad addicted, single player 4K oled tv dude type.
I finished my 2000 euro 7900xtx setup yesterday and i‘m pretty happy with the result.
What are your specs for your entire set up?
@@MrAnimescrazy
Lg48cx
Msi tomahawk b650 wifi
7800x3d
32gb gskill flare x5 6000mhz
Be quiet pure 12 850w
7900xtx asrock phantom oc
Artic liquid freezer II 240 in the top.
In a quite small black fractal north.
Original intake fans in the front and an Arctic P12 pwm in the back.Non rgb, functional budget 4k setup.
@@isonoe2425 nice a high end build.
@@MrAnimescrazy
We will see how happy i will be in the nearer future. It‘s my first amd gpu. The driver/amd adrenalin is some kind of “fragile”.
Had some problems the last days to get a stable undervolt config in cyberpunk.
E.g. I set up a good config, that runs good at 1100mv/2950mhz, so I safed it.
After loading the config the next day, I got instantly a green screen.
Some kind of software mystery 😂
Never had such issues with NVIDIA in combination with the msi afterburner and my 3080.
But it’s some kind of motivating to learn, how my unit works and reacts to changes and other settings 🤪
@@isonoe2425 I'm curious, what's your opinion now after a month? Never had AMD Card b4
161 vs 180 fps are you able to percieve when actually playing the game?
Enjoying my 7900XT. Can't see a purpose behind the XTX, and the peformance uplift from my Vega64 (1080ti performance) was astronomical.
Now, imagine if crossfire and SLI weren't dead and you could squeeze at least 40-50% out of it on a multi-display system...
Technically it's not. DX12 allows for multi-gpu usage it's just on the devs to enable it.
My original plan for last years PC was dual 7900XTX but since that clearly wasn't really a thing when it launched I just went a 4090.
sli actually destroys latency and is really bad for gaming nowadays
Frame time goes: "fine, I guess I'll just kill myself then..."
Really wish it could be updated and made usefull again...
It's funny, I switched from a 3060ti to the 7800xt and I always play directx11 mode in Fortnite. I noticed that the 7800xt somehow felt slower when I thought I would get a huge bump. Glad I'm not crazy.
nvidia gpu is better for fortnite, rip
I always believed the 7900 xtx is a no brainer. It's easily the second best GPU on the market now and for 1k less the fact that it can match the 4090 in some cases is super impressive. I've built a 7900 xtx and a 7800x3d build and I do not regret my purchase at all. That extra 1k spent on the best of everything else. Will happily choose to save 1k over 20fps.
7 months after are you still enjoying it? I'm planning to go with a 7900 xtx and 7800x3D as well, alternatively i was thinking going 7600x and 4090, but not sure if that would be better for 1080p/2k gaming. Honestly im only scared for future proofing as i plan to use this build for the next 4-5 years.
I feel like even 900$ is too much to pay for a single PC component for an average person. If you have to stress about it (can only afford 7900 XTX but not 4090), you're shopping out of your budget. Just go with one of more budget options like 4070 or 7800 XT.
It is very expensive but it's not AS expensive as it appears on paper because of inflation.
The GTX 980Ti, which launched at 650$ back in 2015 and was the best card for gaming, would be almost 850$ in todays dollars.
The 7900XTX at 900$ would be around 700$ if it launched in 2015.
So yeah I agree it's on the pricey end but its not abysmal, the 4090 is definitely abysmal though but they can do it cause AMD doesn't have a close enough competitor (i'd argue the 7900XTX is close enough but the general customer base disagrees).
Welcome to new reality, prices will not go down. You stop playing PC or you buy for what it sells for, or you buy some really budget solutions there will be no other choice. Actually it isnt something new. Prices always go only UP and people keep waiting for lower prices but it only go higher and higher
and the crazy thing is that u actually seem rather brutal for saying that. just 3-4 years ago, i couldn't even imagine spending over 500 usd for a gpu. it's just insane to think that we had gpus like the 1080ti, 2080 super, 3080 for 700 usd and then straight up 1200 for the 4080. hell, we r getting a 40 fucking 60 for 500 usd rn. that's just ridiculous. and all of this not even considering the fuckery nvidia did with the laptop skus. we r basically getting a 4070 level of performance for the price of a 4090. idk what the hell is going on with nvidia. if this goes on, i think this is really it for pc gaming.
yeah im looking at them@@Aluminium-Can
Why does no one have a pc all of a sudden. 🤔
I am owner of high refresh rate 4K monitor and I love ray tracing. That's why I bought RTX 4080. It's much more cheaper than RTX 4090 and much more better than 7900 XTX in ray tracing especially. I would buy 7900 XTX for lower resolutions. It makes more sense there, but not for 4K especially when you want ray tracing on.
You got a high refresh rate monitor to play games @4k + ray tracing on at sub 30 FPS? Make it make sense
@@tokageebo I am using upscaling technologies such as DLSS3 which boosts the FPS by a lot
that isn't true though. the only games you are hitting 4K sub 30FPS in is maybe cyberpunk and that's with max settings and PATH TRACING (not just ray tracing) turned on. Which in reality isnt even an issue cus DLSS 3.5 and frame gen put you well over 60FPS. You are getting a near native resolution end product and any latency from frame gen is extremely negligible. Mostly all other titles you can hit 4K 60+ FPS with no issue. @@tokageebo
@@EasternUNO well what's the point of 4k , if you using upscalling , is like gaming on a 1400-1800p monitor haha
@@deadscene1 no, it's not like that. For bigger screens 4k 165Hz with DLSS 3 it's way better then 1440p.
But someone who don't have it and never saw it won't understand it ;)
As a 7900XTX launch owner, I'm pretty disappointed overall by the tech gap. Lower IQ upscaling, poor performance with RT, no RT reconstruction, and very few games supporting frame generation.
In many games, the performance delta with a 4080 is ridiculous for the pricing difference. Something like Witcher 3 comes to mind where DLSS3 + FG + RT blows away FSR2 + RT. I got a flagship card to run my 3440x1440 monitor at 144Hz, not 60-80Hz.
If you don't care about RT, get the 7900XTX. If you do, the 4090 is the obvious choice. If money isn't an issue, get the 4090.
I really dont like RT. Seeing a 1600 graphics card do only 20-40 fps in many games with it on is STUPID. Why are people so brainwashed by nvidia that they want their 1600 dollar( now 1800+ dollar 4090 due to price increase) graphics card putting out about 40 fps average. That is just pure insanity. Turn off trash RT, and lower settings and get A PERFECT SMOOTH 120 FPS and enjoy life. :)
@@FrostyBud777I agree, framerate and gameplay is way more important than graphics. I play old and new games all the time, takes me 10 seconds to adjust to outdated graphics.
@@FrostyBud777 Brainwashed by the numbers presented. Hardware Unboxed always tried to not use "unfair" features that only NVIDIA have over AMD GPUs. In reality, this is not even fair considering DLSS is superior to FSR in image quality, but this channel like to use it as equal for FPS numbers. Why then they omit to use DLSS3 frame gen in a 4090 card that I would be gladly be using in a game if available? They could show it on the graph with a different color, but it's almost like they want to hide it.
By the way, 4090 is a card that can deliver 90 FPS+ in RT path tracing (DLSS balanced, 4k, frame gen) while it blows up out of the water 4k high fps for any other game.
the rtx 4090 is for demanding task like 3d rendering game developers , high video rendering also gaming
@@FrostyBud777 Your comment shows a lot of misinformation concerning RT and performance with RT. But at least you have the decency to indicate that it's your opinion rather than a fact, so thank you for that.
Double the price but not double the performance.. I’d be curious to see how an over clocked 7900xtx stacks up against a stock 4090.
Doesn't matter AMD has AFMF in the drivers whatever number you're seeing here just times it by 2. The 7900XTX beats out the 4090 especially after FSR 2 is enabled on quality with AFMF.
apart from the fact that AMDs solutions get criticized for looking quiet a bit worse than Nvidias offerings its also kinda crazy that you allow AMDs card to use upscaling and FMF meanwhile you do not allow it on the competing card that offers the same feature?? thats crazy dude@@UKKN516
I ambsolutely love my PowerColor Hellhound 7900xtx. I have used up to 23 gb vram and even ran two games at once by accident a few times. Very Good card for 999$ in february. I love FSR3 and am having a blast with Avatar:FOP. I highly recommend the 7900XTX! I paired it with the 7700x and now own my first AMD cpu/gpu computer in my life. I was nvidia only buyer past 20 years. Intel only too. I am so glad I went to AMD and would never go back.
How's the coil whine? The Hellhound is 1000€ and the Nitro is 1200€. I guess it's not worth the 200€ more?
@@hugo49i mine is fine, under 200 fps i dont hear coil whine over the pc fans and PC itself
@@HorseWithSnakeLegs thank you. I will get the Hellbound and pur that money into extra ram
no coil whine at all, perfectly silent. If you want higher power limits and better fps , go with higher version but for me, adding 15% power limit to hellhound 7900xtx only gives 2-3 fps but uses 415 watts instead of default 360 on this particular card. @@hugo49i
The 4090 really is the best of the best when it comes to DIY desktop discrete graphics cards atm. It's a ridiculous gpu at a ridiculous price. Even if you have 4090 money I still would recommend building an entire system with the RX 7900 XTX when it comes to mostly gaming for most people. This is coming from someone who owns a 4090. But don't get me wrong, I still love my 4090 :).
I would agree with you. That's what I would do Then spend the money I'd save on more DDR5 ram. Even though it has come down since.
If I had 4090 money I'd make a 4090 machine.
When you're that wealthy you don't have to make that compromise. You'd get the best upscaling, the best RT, the best raster performance, the best across the board really. Especially if you play at 1440p or higher.
Yea it really comes down to what you're going to do with the rest of that $1000 and many of us bought 4090s when they were 1600-1700 rather than 2000+ since that's a fairly recent change in price. Even a couple months ago 1700 was easy to find. For me that other $1000 COULD be spent on other stuff but I don't need it to be and I run a 4k high refresh display so getting 20+% more in every game plus the better DLSS experience is a no brainer. I'm not rich, but I have a narrow set of hobbies and that money just doesn't really have a better place to go to enhance my experience.@@RicochetForce
@@RicochetForce yes and for free you get the highest chance of the card burning your whole pc down because of 12vhpwr cable/connector issues, congratulations. if you have no clue about it, watch der8auer english video about it or like any of the 10 other people that already spread the news but nobody really cares x)
this is how I looked at it. I got mine a few months ago and was able to buy it for roughly $1700 with tax. I didn't need to build a whole new system as mine is already very solid and new. I play a wide range of single player games and ray tracing really does make games look awesome. Pair that with my 4K high refresh rate monitor and I don't feel like it was a waste of money at all. I get it isn't for everyone and I understand the argument for the 7900XTX but for my situation the 4090 was the obvious choice. @@tonymorris4335
Is it just me or is the 7900XTX looking better despite the lower fps overall, but having closer margins between average and 1% low? If I'm understanding it right, that means less perceivable stutter.
My XTX looks good even at 4K 30fps on cyberpunk. Very very smooth. Those 1% and 0.1% lows is what makes your game look smoth vs just having fluctuating high fps.
Probably because the 4090 is using more of the cpu. Also limiting that card's fps will make it both stable and higher than that if the 7900xtx's
XTX has more consistent 1% and 0.1% lows. These being more consistent and stable makes the game look smoother. Having more FPS is important for upscaling and the new frame generation for sure though
Whoa, I'm early. Also another great video from HUB!! 4090 is the way to go if you're into Ray Tracing, but I think the value that the 7900 XTX brings is remarkable.
As we progress into further utilization of the current gen consoles, it is only inevitable that games will start being designed with RT in mind.
Radeon GPUs as they stand at the moment aren't the “Value King” people would love to believe they are.
@@Aluminium-Can Yeah??? And guess what? The consoles have been getting the shortest end of the stick every step of the way when it comes to Ray Tracing. They constantly have to try & cut the right corners to get RT to work, which is workable on consoles but not so much on PC.
This would only mean that going with an RTX will give you a far greater comparative performance to these consoles than a Radeon ever will.
Maybe just use your brain a little before assuming that the other person doesn't know shit.
so consoles hold my 4090 back, well played AMD ;) @@Aluminium-Can
Let face it at 1000$+ for a gpu 90% of the buyer do not cared about value
I've been more impressed by HDR presentation than by current RT implementations. As such, I bought into the LG OLED panel, which is currently a 1440p offering, and I own a 6900 XT. The RX 7900 XTX is capable enough at 1440p, and I wouldn't blow the bank on a GeForce RTX 4090 unless I had a 4K panel I need to drive. I'll make a similar evaluation on some future next-gen purchase, where I will probably have this same monitor. I don't consider FSR/DLSS in a purchase, IMO it's a useful tech crutch for low power/mobile devices.
Glad i'm not the only one that will not purchase a GPU based on inflated numbers by FSR/DLSS.
nice point with hdr
DLSS quality actually makes things look better in a lot of games versus traditional AA implementations. It's not a crutch at all.
It also gives you extra fps with virtually no quality loss.
Using DLSS also requires the GPU to use less power.
There is nothing but advantages when using DLSS.
I say this having a 3090 and 4090. I've used both in many games.
@@GameCookerUSRocks DLSS vs TAA, sure. I can't stand temporal AA.
@@GameCookerUSRocksAin't worth a latency input sacrifice and terrible motion compared to native one. Is more of a sidegrade than anything
My 7900 xtx hellhound roams around 90-110c hotspot temp when playing games like RDR2 and killing bosses in the game Black Desert. Is that normal behavior? The GPU temp is 62c at max.
Just thinking to upgrade my 6900 XT Nitro+ for a 7900 XTX Nitro+. The only reason is my family wants another 2k gaming computer and I'm on 4K, so I can buy everything new for them, and put the 6900 in that PC. Not interested in fake frames and upscaling. Any suggestions?
sell the 6900XT and get them 4070
Well if you want to stay wtig AMD your only options are 7900XT and 7900XTX, in my country for example the price difference is around 200€ beetwnen the two, but personally i wouldn't buy a cheap 7900xtx because i see many reviews with bad thermals i would buy the 7900xt pulse for example which doesn't have any problems with thermals,
On the other hand i wouldn't buy the same pulse edition on the rx 7900xtx and i would go for the rx 7900xtx nitro+ instead which is a beast.
Tldr if you don't care about money and wanna stay amd go for the rx 7900xtx nitro+ (or similar quality from other brands)
Honestly, your idea is preem. 7900XTX and giving the 6900XT to the fam seems pretty solid, assuming raytracing isn't something your interested in. Went for 4090 for that reason, have enjoyed it pretty thoroughly. Just kinda ought to be wary of 4080 Super launch. If that hits market and normal 4080 prices drop below 1k, it might become the better choice at the price point.
@@GewelReal Why would I do that? Even the 6900XT is much faster in most games than the 4070. Also prefer to keep all with the same driver, easier to manage 3 PC.
@@BabisZan 7900 XTX Nitro+ will be the chosen one. Usually I prefer Red Devil, but in the 7000 series it's not that good.
I got my 4090 for €1600, even for that price it hurts but seeing the pricing now above €2100 is ridiculous and totally not worth it in my opinion
Wait for the 4090 super. The pricing will be really outrageous and it will still sell.
@@eternalbeing3339 Probably wont be a 4090 Super or TI. They have no competition at that level and their flagship is already going for 2k.
No chance of a 4090 super.
how about yall turn SAM on?
I was considering 4080 vs 7900 xtx and chose 7900 xtx, it was very good now in repair cause hotspot issues, hopefully i should get it back soon, i miss it. It was so amazing!
If your hot spot is registering 110 that's not technically an issue. AMD have claimed they're designed for it.
But as soon as i reach 110-120° hotspot i get black / blue screen and no display error on my monitor (in total around 70-80 times since i bought it)@@Son37Lumiere
@@Son37Lumiereany company saying it’s designed to run hot is straight bullshit
@@NicholasWicks-ik6gh It's called hot spot for a reason. It's not the temperature the whole die is running at. And guess what, the chips run fine. You just need to get over it.
I got my Asrock FG 7900xtx a few day ago, at the end of December. Pair it with my 7800x3d and both go 4k 144hz ultra setting in game without a sweat (+300mhz OC and undervolt for GPU)😊
Bro you are the only channel I found and I am subscribed that has CS2 in 4k God bless you for that. Thank you.
I tried xess with my 7900xtx on CyberPunk 2077 and was actually surprised to find frame rate and image quality was better over fsr 2.0. This was just trying out for fun a few months back. Somewhat curious, what the benchmarks would look like doing xess certified games with both amd and nvidia gpu's for fun. Great content and keep up the excellent work!
I did the same with my 7900 XT but got lower performance with xess.
Yes but which one will run reddit for 8 hours a day best, whilst I stare blankly at my Steam library?
Your iGPU 😂
And which one give better youtube performance 😂
Just noticed the channel has over 1 million subscribers now, congrats lads, very well deserved. Hardware Unboxed remains a trusted source for PC parts information - I've gone with a number of choices for my setup based on the info I found here, never a regret. All the best for 2024.
I'm glad I built my 4090 system right before the prices shot up. The 7900 XTX will definitely be a better price to performance, but I like using DLSS when possible and use RTX on single player titles so the 4090 was the product for me. At the current pricing though, I would just look at a 4080 or wait and see what the 50 series offers.
For what? 7900XTX with AFMF is faster than the 4090 take every number you saw in these tests and times it by 2.
@michaeltyson7870 it's called preference. Let alone DLSS and ray tracing performance is better on Nvida IF that's a person's thing. Any graphics card over $999 should be Superior . And you shouldn't have to use tricks to get it to perform great out the box
@@UKKN516 Very convenient of you to use frame gen to "double" your frame rates without mentioning that NVIDIA has frame gen as well and in a lot of cases can do it with less artifacting and ghosting. Not to mention that frame gen is only worth it to most people if the base frame rate is good enough to begin with. I specifically use frame gen in addition to DLSS and good game settings to get a smoother experience, but I don't have to use it as a crutch because my card is powerful enough at higher resolutions to output a good fps before using any generated frames or upscaling.
Like I said in my original comment, the 4090 was the way to go for me because I play a lot of stuff that benefits from RTX and upscaling. If you don't care about those things, then sure, buy a 7900 XTX, but don't sit there and say that a single magical setting is gonna make a 7900 XTX perform better than a 4090 when the 4090 is 30-40% faster out of the box before relying on upscaling and generated frames that both of the cards have access to.
@@bigdaddyt150 Exactly. If you don't care about ray tracing or upscaling, then the 7900 XTX can be a compelling choice, but both AMD and NVIDIA are guilty of trying to market their upscaling and frame gen technologies as free frames with no downsides.
In something like an upscaled ray tracing scenario with frame gen capped at 120fps, the 4090 is gonna be a lot smoother than the 7900 XTX because it's a lot more powerful and can pump out a higher fps before having to rely on the upscaling or frame gen.
@@caelanb1711 if I'm spending above $1000 the graphics card should be able to do everything without doing special tricks like over clocking or under volting
That's why we choose to pay that insane amount of money.
Love seeing people doing mental gymnastics with themselves with the 7900XTX as if they got more for $600 less . No you didn't and hardware unboxed is showing you that you didn't in most of these screen slides. Especially with DLSS and Ray tracing ON
I think the 4080 and 7900xtx compare well, price and performance wise.
In Germany the XTX comes closer to 4070 ti price then 4080.
@@Scharamostimmt bro
@@Scharamo Gerade auf der Suche und ja hast recht, die XTX is Stabil um die 1k. Die 4080 wird 300 mehr gehandelt. Das ist der Preis für eine extra rx 6700xt... Ich suche mir gerade eine passende XTX aus
@@Scharamo The coming of the 4080 super is dropping the price closer to the XTX.
@@kulter20xtx prices will go down too
Can we get a current streaming codec comparison? 😊
The real head scratcher is-
*Why is there only 1 gpu on the market stable at 4K ultra?? Why are games optimized so badly??* 😂
Warzone has to be bugged because generally the XTX beats the 4090 in this game. I'm sure it's the newest driver's issue. Who would have thought lol.
Could someone please do Ollama comparison, tokens per second, on these two cards. What is the difference when running inference? LLama2 for example, ollama run llama2:13b
Really glad I was able to pick up my 4090 for cheaper over the summer, the prices right now are insane.
Its on purpose - Nvidia know they are releasing the Super variants soon, so they jack up the prices of the current cards so that their Super prices don't look so horrendous (which they will be).
It's not on purpose. It's the market. 4090s are the go-to AI toy right now unless you wanna spend 6k on an enterprise card. Blame the reviewers for not seeing this coming; all of us in AI have been warning about this for a year but the reviewers are too lazy to learn how to judge these cards in that arena. AMD just can't AI like NVIDIA can but they think it doesn't matter because reviewers tell us "wow it's got 500 fps rasterized for 1100 bucks what a great card" which is beyond irrelevant to the market. If they'd been hounding Intel and AMD to make consumer level AI cards those companies would be killing it and 4090s would be 1200 bucks.
Same- I got it for $1560 after rebate= so, so glad I did.
@@milo8425 Thank you for breathing truth and facts into this discussion. It's insane how gamers are seemingly unaware of the political situation going on. And how the 4090 is a nice way to circumvent blocks to gain access to powerful machine learning hardware. And you're dead on that the failure of Intel and AMD to compute on the AI side is allowing Nvidia to run rampant with prices.
And that's before we get to productivity where the 4090 stomps the XTX.
@@milo8425 why is it the reviewers fault when thats not their area of expertise? To the average consumer AI was the thing that makes the NPC enemies do the thing in whatever games youre playing and not much else. pre-GPT no one on the consumer side gave 2 shits about AI performance, so why is it on reviewers, who have a primarily consumer based audience, to test something that 99% of their audience doesnt know exists? What use do I, as a normal ass consumer, have for knowing Ai performance? Literally none, so why is it on the reviewers to show something 99% of us have no interest in?
I'm glad I picked my 4090 up a few months ago literally days before it went through the roof. Got the MSI Gaming X Trio version for 1400 usd
What are your specs?
Why don’t y’all ever benchmark MSFS 2020 when it basically seems like the new “can it run crysis”
I bought my parts earlier in the year for an all white high end build with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram in the white phanteks nv7 case. I wanted the best of the best and I definitely have it. I also keep the pc clean.
Obviously anyone can see that the 4090 is almost unanimously the king across most games for average fps. But what I found really interesting in this review but wasn't talked about, was that in almost all tests across the board at all resolutions, there was a tighter gap between the 1% lows and average fps for the 7900XTX vs 4090, which I would hazard a guess that the 1% lows in most cases be more noticeable on the 4090 with a greater fps drop.
Also for the difference in price, if you were looking to upgrade both you GPU and monitor there would be a compelling argument to go for the 7900XTX where you could get a premium monitor to go with your GPU for the same price as the 4090 alone.
Unless you are 100% set that "Ray-Tracing" is your top priority, I don't think I could justify the extra cost for the 4090. For me personally, the 4090 is money is no object kind of purchase where as the 7900XTX is something I've been considering trying to slip quietly past the wife without her noticing!
My take is that if you have the money, sure buy the 4090 and enjoy all it's glory, but for me it just doesn't add enough value to justify the price difference.
I actually sold my PC with a 4090 and built a better one with an XTX. You are absolutely correct, the 1% and 0.1% is a huge factor in the overall smoothness of your game. I was getting pretty high FPS with path tracing on the 4090 but my percent lows weren't as consistent. On the XTX I had less FPS but the percent lows had a much tighter gap and my game looked just as smooth. Especially using the new drivers with the FSR3 mod for cyberpunk. It honestly made me a little angry that it was looking so good despite not having as much FPS. I did a lot more research and realized that game smoothness ends up being more important than just sheer FPS. I looked back at my experience using techniques like GSYNC or FREESYNC on my past GPU's, and remembered how using some of these features actually made the game smoother at the same FPS.
Good stuff sir :)
was sam on or off during warzone tests? because an amd equivalent card is usually better in warzone for avg fps
If you're not rolling on a budget, the 4090 is the way to go for top tier 4K RT gaming. Honestly the $1599 I paid for my 4090 FE is nothing over the course of a 2 year product cycle.
Nothing huh... For most gamers, it's more then the cost of their rig.
Just know you're entitled, and be happy for it
@@HippidaI think you mean privileged, and I think he knows since he said "if you're not rolling on a budget."
the only reason to choose NVIDIA is to get CUDA for stuff like Davinci and increase your fire insurance premium
We're probably 2 generations away from RT actually being usuable in game. So for now, the XTX seems like the better price to performance GPU.
I still don’t trust AMD after giving the 6800xt a long try since launch. Adrenalin software is utter garbage and caused nothing but issues for me not ramping up my gpu fans. I got tired of install just the drivers and can’t use any other features. Msi afterburner worked great with it. But I traded the last month for a 3080 and had no issues.
I have the 6900xt and have never had an issue. Meanwhile a friend went for the 3080 and has worse results on benchmarks and gameplay. He wishes he went AMD. It’s so weird how split the market and experiences are with both products. Perhaps brands matter with these cards or the system overall.
I had some software issues with my 6800xt at first. But after another opdate of software everything works smooth again
Owning a 4090 FE since day one, and loving ray-tracing and all the eye candy, having only 4k displays, the 4090 is the best Upgrade ever. An astonishing powerhouse overlapping 2 gen i one.
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy 13900k, Z790, DDR5 7000 32 GB, Nvme 990 Pro, 4090, all watercooled.
@@kiwivda wow a nice build
@@MrAnimescrazy tks
I love your companies content! Hope you keep enjoying making videos for a long time. You guys always create such an interesting perspective and insight into products.
Games play phenomenally well on XFX 7900 XTX. I got it in March of last year got 949 and I wouldn't trade a minute of my joy or the future. With 24GB VRAM it's future looks Bright especially with UE5 doing very well and tons of games coming using that tech. I believe it has been the best value in high end gaming. Looking forward to a price drop when the Super cards come out. I'd highly recommend it if it's a hundred bucks less
I have purchased the 4090 for more than a year now and it is the GPU that has given me the most satisfaction of all, especially now that I play at 7680x2160 (32:9). I stopped playing competitively a few years ago and so I'm interested in immersion and visual performance. I mainly play Soul's like, Action RPG and RPG and some looter shooters so having a high frame rate doesn't interest me that much even though I can reach 240Hz with my current monitor.
I think that talking about price-performance ratio in the enthusiast range is conceptually wrong because it is not in this range of HW that compromises are found. I think that the 7900XTX is very valid for those who play competitively and therefore have little interest in RT and/or visual perfection.
I think that everyone's needs drive purchasing choices and in my case it was an obligatory choice. I look forward to the 5090/8000, hoping they don't cost even more.
How are you getting 240hz on the 57" with the 4090 ? It wont do it. 120hz is the maximum at native res with either DP or HDMI...240hz is possible at 5120x1440p but it looks gash in comparison. My 7900XTX will do 240hz on both DP and HDMI, but of course it struggles even more than my 4090 does with this monitor.
@@twba1977 You're exactly right. I will be able to reach 240Hz with the 5090. For the moment I am happy with 120Hz also because in the games I usually play I would never reach 240 even with the new DSP.
If I absolutely need 240 Hz I use the old Neo G9.
I thought you'd found the cheat code for getting 240hz ! Im happy with 120hz also and like you I have a 49" G9 to use and a couple of 27" G7s also. :-) My Arc A770 wont do 240hz either and it should as its HDMI version is correct.@@Voklesh85
Your cyberpunk data is not my experience with the 7900xtx at all; i get way higher frame rates. I have two systems with two different 7900s, and they both perform way better than this.
You're almost certainly using FSR as it's enabled by default. We test native.
@@Hardwareunboxed ah that’s probably it
Went 4090 after getting a few early builds of the 7900xtx that had nothing but issues. Overheating, artifacting, driver issues, etc. I also paid a grand less exactly a year ago for my 4090 than it’s going for now.
You got a new 4090 for 1000 USD??? Yeah sure. 😂
You know, in a lot of cases, these numbskulls have neither of these GPU's or bought an Nvidia GPU further down the bracket...
Sucks for you I had zero issues you probably had a Nvidia card before that your PC was probably all fucked up with the driversm most def a user end issue.
Should have ran DDU and disabled beta drivers lol. Fixed the issues for me.
The problem is that FSR remains bad while DLSS is great. It's apples to oranges comparison when one takes the same base resolution for both when DLSS can be utilized much more aggressively at 4K which these cards are for.
18:53 my 7900xtx entire pc cost the same as a 4090 if money was no object I would have a 4090 but it is so never even considered it.
Congrats on 1mil subs! well deserved!
Could you guys potentially do an "popular games AMD vs Nvidia benchmark" video (could take a poll for which GPU tier to feature) where you just compare them in the top games on steam?
These singleplayer Triple A games are great for quickly and painlessly benchmarking but they're largely irrelevant as soon as a week or two after release.
It would be nice seeing a video that compares the actual most played games, maybe throw in some non-steam extremely popular games as well like Escape from Tarkov, Fortnite etc.
Not asking for this to become the new benchmark suite you use for every GPU review ofc, more of a 1 off thing because
a) nobody benchmarks most of those games for whatever reason (some are relatively demanding even)
b) how it actually stacks up for the average PC gamer would be better represented
Any gpu can run popular games...
@@attepatte8485 Thats not the point, the point is which runs it BETTER.
Everyone ik who games gives 0 F's about Alan Wake 2 or other Triple A slop, at most they'll play it once and not care much about FPS as long as its smooth enough.
Meanwhile all the popular ones they'll dump several hundred hours into yet theres no comparisons for the vast majority of them and some are fairly demanding especially compared to something like CS2.
@@DebasedAnonWell everyone I know gives 0 fs about either of the titles you are mentioning and game primarily with the AAA blockbusters. These videos are a perfect middle ground in terms of selection of games. Not a good idea.
@@DebasedAnon HUB have addressed this many times. The variations from game to game, such as what each individual player is doing, makes it very difficult to get consistent results.
"Do not buy NVIDIA products. Buy NVIDIA stocks instead."
i buy Nvidia stock and use the dividends to buy Nvidia products
Would you pair this with a Ryzen 7600 for 4k gaming?
would be marvelous to see 7900xtx vs 4080 at 4K+RT+Upscaling
I like the way the XTX isn't on fire
Nah the melt at the PSU end.
It's funny this relatively tiny scale problem is still talked about lol.
@@sacb0y the fact that it happened at all on the most premium card on the market is definitely worth talking about imo
considering the conclusion was largely user error i'm surprised it's not more common.@@eldritchtoilets210
Assassin's Creed Mirage says it all at 4K which is the future anyway : 112 fps 7900xtx vs 138fps 4090. even at 1440p you're basically playing ultra settings above 160fps in a non competitive game vs 181fps on 4090. at this point do we really need more fps for single player games to enjoy them? also with FSR enabled the 7900xtx basically smokes the 4090 with better FPS and 1% lows at 1440p which is the sweet spot in gaming now, the middle ground between quality and performance and you still get 145 fps in 4k vs 166fps. which is insane!!! this tells me it's strictly a dev implementation of software at the level of drivers and not a hardware thing. i mean, 24 gb memory should be enough for every game to run full specs on full res but no, they're just bringing performance down because they optimise the games to run better on nvidia than amd, which is a snake move. you can clearly see in the AC graphics comparison that both GPU's are monsters.
I think you guys missed to add "power" usage to the equation. I I think 4090 offers a better FPS per Watt. But yeah the price different is huge
I'm never buying 1000 USD on a card that can't run Cyberpunk with RT Overdrive enabled at all.
I prefer RT performance over Raster, so I see no point in paying so much for a product I know I won't like. FSR is also still behind DLSS. FSR3 is pretty good though
@@Aluminium-Canit is obviously much more then 7.
Why are you even bothering to test at 1080p at the price bracket for these cards? people who can afford 1-2k for a GFX card will be either playing at 1440 ultra-wide or 4k making the 1080p performance irrelevant and misinformative.
I have upgraded the temporary RTX3070 which I bought as replacement for dead GTX980Ti as it was only card available to Sapphire 7900XTX. Went team red after 18 years, no worries with melting connector, price performance is excellent.
Hope you got a good batch of 7900xtx with the temparature variance not being an issue since it's a 3rd party product. Hope.
@@jal.ajeera that stopped being an issue long ago, and the affected cards have been recalled
That GeForce RT performance gain, DLSS, overall stronger package - 4090 all the way, even with the price difference. Or hell, 4080. Can't wait to see 4080 Supers tested once they're out. If I didn't care about RT (and was willing to buy another Radeon), XTX could be a nice deal.
its slower AMD has AFMF on the driver level it is not a stronger package. AFMF alone destroyed DLSS3 +FG
Yeah, DLSS is fantastic. :)
Bro there must have been a driver issue or something when you did the test om COD Warzone with the RX 7900 XTX.. I get an average of 220fps on MAX settings and over 300fps on low with this card.
The 4090 is double the price, it is NOT double as good as the 7900.
Nvidia is just Apple of the gaming world atm. You pay extra for the logo.
Ray tracing is also such a gimmick that 95% of people barely use anyway.
RT will be more and more prominent in the coming years
Happy with my 4090, and hopefully I can keep it until the 6090 comes out, as I've had a tendency to upgrade every generation the past 6+ years (and always the flagship Nvidia card).
I never even considered the 7900XTX; I want the best performing card, running high-end VR and a 4K 144hz monitor. But I hope AMD keeps making cards. Competition is always good.
4k 144Hz for 6 years on one card...talk about optimistic 😂
bros minted
@@cosmic_gate476 The 1080 came out May 2016. The 2080 came out September 2018. The 3090 came out September 2020. 4090 October 2022.
Where are you getting 6 years from exactly? At any rate, if the 5090 turns out to be at least as good of a performance uplift as the 3090 (which I had) to the 4090, I'll probably buy it. If the raster performance increase is only around 30%, I'll likely pass.
And for the uninitiated, most AAA games don't play at 4K 144 today with a 4090. That's a best case scenario for indie games, a few modern AAA games and demanding games with DLSS(3).
I don't usually jump every gen. But. I did the last two years. 980ti lasted me until 2021 ish, jumped to 3080 in 2022 , it broke so I jumped on a 3090 in 2023. And then scored a cheap 4090 on eBay later in 2023. I've finally settled and I think this will hold me off for a long time.
no melting issues with your 4090?
7900XTX > 4090 - but the coil whining in the 7900XTX series is just ridiculous.. so freaking annoying. Hope the next gen will be better in that case
Remember this is a gaming only comparison. If you are considering using your GPU for activities like Stable Diffusion, Blender, etc. the RTX 4090's value becomes dramatically improved, but if you are looking at gaming only then as they ultimately reached it really is depending on the price point you were targeting and if ray tracing is particularly relevant to you.
It essentially comes down to do you want to compare or do you just want the best thing out if you're gaming only. Comparisons are all fine and good but I think everyone is targeting a level of performance, right? So we get what we need for what we want. 4090 are the ONLY work GPU I recommend(the lesser cards are still good). If the person is a gamer too? No contest, you're getting the 4090 10/10 times.
@@innopriestyou completely missed his point. The 4090 is the card to get if you want to do machine learning / AI. Lots of people actually do want to do that. AMD isn’t even in the competition because they are so short sighted.
For me the only thing holding Radeon back is the RT performance. If they can manage to get RT performance to the same level as GeForce and also keep prices this much lower, it would be the obvious choice for most gamers, more than it already is.
I'm willing to bet that a good amount of people don't really care about RT right now.
Careful you'll get lots of AMD fanboys saying they don't care about RT and only loves traditional raster 😂
RT meh.
@@Eleganttf2 I'm not a fan of any one company. I do enjoy AMD products but if they put out something that's a shit value, I'll call it a shit value. That being said not many games support RT still, ESPECIALLY indie games
@@moekitsune "not many games support RT" what year are you living in ? this isnt 2018 or 2019 anymore also why are you saying "especially indie games" when indie games sole focus is mostly not about graphics and more about the story itself.
My 7900 XTX will be here today. For $899, it's a no brainer. Plus, it's the Asrock phantom. It has a third 8 pin connector for more OC potential.
Update, the card is amazing.
RTX 4090 $2500
RX 7900 XTX $950
10%-25% LESS PERFORMANCE
ITS A NO BRAINER
NVIDIA HAS DONE THIS TO THEMSELVES
Short answer is if you care about ray tracing buy into RTX or if you care about value and pure rasterisation buy AMD. But the 4090 is not worth it over the 7900 xtx. In my opinion, nothing on the market right now can match the 7900 xtx power and value at that price point.
7900XT is equally good value, arguably better up to 1440P. An overclocked 7900XT can match or beat an XTX for €200 less.
The XTX can overclock very well too but really at 1440P a 7900XT will give you all the performance you need.
@@AltropI got my RTX 4090 for 4K. In the end I think I should have gone with AMD since I don't even use ray tracing, but DLSS is amazing for 4K hands down!
Nvidia is only good in 5 RT games compared to the 50, that's out there it's not selling point AMD can RT not only that but the numbers you just seen times it by 2 that's what the 7900XTX gets with driver level AFMF 4090 really cannot compete.
Something is off with the cyberpunk results. Is upscaling accounting for anything other than the "Quality" preset? I had an RX 6800XT paired with an i5 12600k and at 1080p using XESS/FSR (I found the framerate was similar, but FSR looked better indoors and XESS looked better around foliage/trees and fire/smoke) I got around 120 fps average at 1080p. The 6800XT has since started artifacting and has been replaced with an RTX 3080, to varying results. I honestly preferred the extra VRAM on the 6800XT for gaming with ultra textures on my TV, which is 4k. I mean I can use path tracing now at 1440p using upscaling, so depends on the game because I'm playing through RDR2 right now and the game looks incredible at 4k, so I value texture resolution a little more than I do in other games, but on my next play through of cyberpunk, I will probably value the rt performance because I am on a 1440p monitor now and the RX 6800XT couldn't keep up while using RT at 1440p like it did at 1080p.
As the first ever chiplet GPU the 7900XTX is a great tech demo and also it's not so surprising that the RDNA3 architecture has some faults.
Maybe this is just hopeless optimism but I fully expect the next Radeon flagship using RDNA4 coming down the pipe to compete much more directly with whatever Nvidia has to offer in the next few years.
If leaks are true, RDNA4 will not have a N41 chip, and will instead more focus on midrange cards at the 400-600$ price range, similar to RX 5000. Instead, the next flagship is likely going to be with RDNA5.
@@Sepfox I hate it when AMD does stuff like this.
It's not like margins are paper thin either when AMD is only barely undercutting Nvidia, and chiplets will benefit the largest GPU the most so right now is the best time for AMD to dig into the high end market.
Oh well, if AMD forces me to hang on to the 7900XTX for an extra two years I guess they're just saving me money.
@@Sepfox So they probably will improve XTX's performance by optimazing the card like they already did with the 6950 XT.
@@budthecyborg4575 Actually, they're doing it for a good reason for once : it's to focus on polishing RDNA 5 because the top die RDNA 4 would have taken a lot more time and money than expected to polish. Furthermore, it sounds like even though they had issue, they did manage to get a lot of things right with what was planned as top die, so hopefully that translates as a big improvement when RDNA 5 does come. Plus as you said, it gives you an "excuse" to keep your 7900XTX for longer lol
@@Sepfoxthis sounds true so far and also RDNA4 will also have a mobile focus, also a refreshed n31 will be sold along rdna4, rdna5 is moved up and most likely will appear at the high end perhaps at CES 2025 so only a full year away