Excellent speech Jimmy Akin. Totally explains how the early Christian church of the Bible was the Catholic Church of the 1st and 2nd centuries and to today. Doctrinal development = the Spirit, will guide you into all truth.
What Spirit would that be? Doctrinal development is man going outside the Word of God and going to word of man. Doctrines are not to be "developed". They are to be accepted as God gave them. Absolutely Catholicism didn't exist the first few centuries. There is no Catholicism in scripture of among the early believers.
@@joycegreer9391 I met many like you when I was an evangelical. You have been so brainwashed by pastors who have taught you to hate Catholics. You have no clue what Catholicism is but you love to criticize it. Why do you hate? Just for clarification Catholicism is the Biblical church. It is the same Jesus established Catholic Church named so by 107AD and now for 2,000 years later which “is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” 1Tim3:15 The verse says one “church”, divinely inspired not the thousands of confused man made protestant churches. You really don’t get it there were no protestants before the 16th century. Jesus never said he would raise up fallible men to fix his church in the 16th century because he failed. You put limits on your version of Jesus. That’s your problem. Every one of your conflicting protestant traditions and doctrines were developed (doctrinal development) by men with no inspiration from the Holy Spirit. However, the Catholic Church is being led to all truth by the Holy Spirit, John16:13. Listen to the truth this time and read your Bible with the Catholic Church the Bible a Catholic book. Goodbye Joyce.
@@wendymitchell8245You mean yours, like the one in display here? Wendy, how many languages do you speak? Probably you don’t even know the name of the capitals of more than three countries (like the average American).
@@masterchief8179 I am not American .I have visited London Paris, Brussels ,Amsterdam ,Berne ,Vienna , Rome etc on numerous occasions all my life .Have seen the Pope in Rome ,been around St .Peters ,and the Vatican , the Roman ruins ,the Catacombs etc. Walked around on the top of Vesuvius and been to Pompeii. Only did French and Latin at school but never use French , as most Europeans speak English. I taught Religious Ed. with a 'cradle' Roman Catholic for about seven years .She was the one who told me to read up on the bad Popes as most were more like the Mafia. The Mafia started with he Vatican guard who were sacked by a Pope. My friend said she had questioned Apostolic succession for years asking Priests and monks how succession could pass through such evil Popes who were clearly not Christians but more interested in money and power. In the end she left .
Jimmy Akin presents a POWERFUL historical case for the Catholic Church, showing that the MAINSTREAM Christians of the Early Church were CATHOLIC to the core.
Maybe Protestants don’t know much in patrology/ patristic literature and the difference between 1) scriptural books (gifted with inerrancy because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit); 2) patristic pious books from the Apostolic fathers (like the letters from Pope Clement or Ignatius of Antioch, for example: many disputed that some letters from Saint Clement should be in the NT canon); 3) patristic pious apocryphal from the earliest of the Fathers, as ancient (even more ancient) as NT books (like the Didaché, which was disputed to be in the Canon of the Bible too according to many, until the Catholic Church discernment understood and officially defined the Canon - the same that Protestantism modified); 4) spurious apocrypha books like Acts of Peter, Gospel of Mary Magdalena and others, with false doctrines and non-correspondent dates of writings and the alleged author, like all the gnostic books (like the Gospel of James and all books from Da Vinci’s Code gnostic heretical understandings; if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church, those man would have corrupted the Bible); 5) patristic pious books from the later Church Fathers (like Saint Ireneus, Saint Augustine or Saint Basil). Remember you wouldn’t have a Bible in your hands if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church in the first place, my friend, but you act like it is a book that fell from the sky in leather cover and ziper edition, but is was actually a whole collection of enormous books that Catholic monks and copists had to preserve from heresy and from political institutionalized persecution long before the press even exists for 1500 years! Your approach to history is counter-factual because all revolutionary people act like this. The same goes with Protestant revolution.
The point of the lecture is to show what the Earliest Christians believed and how they see and understand their faith. Then you would know for a fact it is entirely false the evangelicals common version that the Emperor Constantine contaminate the Christian faith to somewhat is ready to caracterize Catholic, Orthodox or any other beliefs apart from the Protestant man-made traditions. That’s the point Jimmy made. To prove pre-nicene (325AD) facts is vigorously important for our faith and it undeniably demonstrate the false claims on the Protestant revolution side, who more or less sees Sacred Scripture as a book the fell from the sky in leather cover and ziper edition.
@@wendymitchell8245 Let me give you a protestant definition of sola scriptura...the sole infallible source for Christian faith and practice...this is what I'm talking about. God bless
@@anthonytan7134 That is correct as it is the inspired word of God. This comes from the promise to the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would bring back to their memory everything he taught them .John 14-17.
@@wendymitchell8245 so you mean that John 14-17 to support sola scriptura ??? all teachings done, finished, completed with the Scripture ? nothing more, nothing less and nothing else ?
@@anthonytan7134 John 14 - 17 . Is Jesus commission to his Apostles . He treated them like a Rabbi with his students teaching them for 3 years . Then he said he would send His Holy Spirit to bring back to their memory everything he taught them . This happened at Pentecost. They were also called the foundation the church was built on , because they had the original teaching ,the inspired word . Anyone calling himself an Apostle had to be a witness to the resurrection. This is mentioned when the replaced Judas. Or do you believe the book of Mormon is he word of God because they say so .
While the historical chronology is interesting, I would've preferred to hear Jimmy talk about how the actual content of the writings of the first fathers directly supports Catholic claims. I own 2 of the books he recommends to learn more but not the one related to my preference (The Very First Fathers). Oh well, guess I'll check out more videos of this conference....
I never understood why in Protestant belief it mattered what mode to baptize as it is viewed as a symbol only? If it is just a symbol and just a public act of an inner change why does it matter if it's poured/sprinkled or if you are dunked? This was one of the stumbling blocks that lead me to question my protestant upbringing/background and one of many things that lead me to the Catholic Church.
This isn't a difficult question. I'm sure if you had asked your pastor or someone with a little bible knowledge they could have answered your question. Immersion is symbolic of joining with Jesus is His death and new life. Romans 6; Rom 6:3-5 3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection, NASB We are buried with Him through baptism into death, then like Christ, raised up to newness of life. Can't have that symbolism with sprinkling. Its not only our public declaration of our new life but a symbol of our own death and being raised up again. Not to beat a dead horse but you simply don't get that being sprinkled. Hope this helps.
Water baptism is one reason why Catholicism is apostate... The true Christians baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and these antichrists changed water baptism to the trinity of titles
@@familyvideos9513 matthee 28:19 needed to be interpreted because Jesus Christ was not speaking plainly.....Jesus christ did not mean for people to take his words literally and baptize people using the trinity of titles Father Son and holy ghost..... Jesus christ said to baptize them in the Name of.... Father son and holy ghost is not a name....
Why aren't protestants allowed to go deep in history? In defense of the prots, they need to learn that the world existed before Luther.. Luther was not Adam
their automatic defense, whenever I bring it up, are: 1 - Constantine this and Constantine that and/or 2 - the Christians that did what Catholics do today in the 1st and 2nd centuries were gnostics.
Scripture is the only infallible guide. You lose when you fall back to men, their opinions, thier interpetaions, their traditions. Satan is at work in all men. Our only trust & hope is in Christ the Word. GOD had & has complete control of the book I hold iny hand that HE & HE alone inspired & canoized thru men HE used. Standing befor almighty GOD will HE turn me away for trusting in HIS Word only or for trusting in & practising men's traditions, interpetstions of a few scriptures, practising man made rituals & sacraments?
The thousand years of Revelation is when Christ returns and reigns. This only happens after Israel has returned to their land . Real prophecies of O.T. Prophets Ezekiel.37 :21 .I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone and will gather them on every side ,and bring them into their own land. 22. and I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel.
First, know that these posts are difficult to write. Yet, the Bible directs me to speak out, to 'exhort one another as long as it called 'day'. It is written in the Bible, Paul speaking, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." Since the Catholic Church holds the Bible to be the Word of God, do you think it is important to know the gospel that Paul preached? Is your gospel the same as his? The Apostle Paul: Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13) Catholic doctrine: Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall not be saved (i.e. baptism and other things are necessary for salvation). Jesus said, "Be careful how you hear," so be careful how you hear! Simply by calling on the Name of the Lord, you can know Christ, to be filled with the Holy Spirit, to be born again. Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water bubbling up inside of him." In perfect logic, what can you say about someone who does NOT have rivers of living water? They do not believe in Jesus! They are not saved! Do not believe what I say but read the Bible, obeying, not the traditions of men, but Jesus, Who said, "The Holy Spirit will lead you into all the truth." He also said that we should call no man 'father!' You have one Father, even God! Do not trust your salvation to those who have no assurance of their own (ask them!). Shall the blind lead the blind? You cannot say that I did not warn you! Christ died on a Cross so that you may know Him as your dear, close and personal friend. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
The "one circle removed from Jesus' inner circle" were prophesied by apostle Paul to become apostates who led the church astray in Acts 20. Just sayin.
@@truthseeker9163 No, I think the Catholic church got a lot of things wrong. They made wars that should never have happened and several of them were against people that could not fight against them. They did things that were totally opposite to what Jesus taught. Wars were one of them, making people do penance was another. They burned people at the stake for many different reasons. None of the reasons were worth that. They even burnt and hanged so-called saints and then years later tried to repent. They did a few good things like built schools and hospitals but they were for those that were rich in high status with the church. It was a few hundred years later that peasants could get an education but they were not to read Latin or attempt to read the Bible. This is not even counting the fallacies they still teach.
@@fantasia55 Wrong. There are sites all around the Mid-east that have been discovered and they were not Catholic and nothing like the Catholic Mass. They have murals on the walls that depict hands being raised and dancing during the service. And it was nothing like anything done today in a Catholic church, it was closer to being Pentecostal. Many did speak in tongues and were filled with the Holy Spirit. That does not happen in any mass today. I have a friend from the local college who goes to Jordan every year and is digging at such a site with students from the college.
The catholic " apostles " stepped away from the teachings of Jesus immediately after the death of Polycarp, the last one with actual contact with the Apostles of Jesus. Tbey immediately fulfilled the reason Paul warned and accursed those he knew would preach another gospel, Galations 1:8. Catholics even at their earliest appearance in 110 AD began preaching their accursed gospel. Baptism without the name of Jesus, the worship of Mary, putting graven images into their churches and praying to any other than God. Apostasy after apostasy then in 1227 pope Gregory with his henchmen the Dominicans and Franciscans began their tortures and murders for the next several hundreds of years. Chapter 17 in The Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ says the catholic church is not forgiven. The Holy Spirit confirms this Word of God.
@@jamesb7651 Jesus specifically said " call no one on earth father for you have one father The Father who is in heaven." The trinity is not scriptural. No one in the New Testament was baptized in anything else but the name of Jesus Christ. Corruption of the Word of God is from the antchrist spirit. I have read many things including John Foxes Book of Martyrs. The is no truth in catholic doctrine.
Constantine started Christianity from an already established pagan religion by the same name. Constantine was a pagan sun worshiper and he had the last, the 11th Roman Emperor Persecution so he was the one that killed off the last of the Elect of Yahweh Messiah. Constantine lived during the time that salvation was still available to him and Josephus and every one else that lived during the time of the 11 persecutions. All that were left were the pagans and Constantine wanted to put them all under one heading ,that of Christianity. He had the pagans killed that would not come over to it, as you can see we inherited the lies of our pagan forefathers. THE FOLLOWING IS THE CHRISTIANITY THAT CONSTANTINE HAD STARTED BELIEF SYSTEM, YOU WILL SEE WHY THE CATHOLICS SAY THEY ARE THE ORIGINAL CHURCH STARTED BY JESUS CHRIST. JESUS CHRIST IS ACTUALLY 2 SUN DEITY NAMES. THE CATHOLIC DENOMINATION DID NOT EXIST BEFORE 1559 AT THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, AND YOU CAN SEE BY THEIR BELIEVE SYSTEM IS THAT THEY KEPT ADDING TO THE PAGANISM STARTED BY CONSTANTINE.
@@garystanfield2274 The Catholic Church existed centuries before the Council of Nicea. It was attended by Catholic bishops. The council was held to defend Catholics against the Arian heresy.
@@truthseeker9163It was Constantine that used the word CATHOLIC meaning UNIVERSAL for CHRISTIANITY. Catholic as a denomination did not exist until 1559 at the Council of Trent. Constantine introduced the Babylonian mystery religions into one as a Christian, a Universal / Catholic Religion and he made Christianity (Edict of Milan), the official state religion of the Roman Empire. a. J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 45, aptly summarizes it, "Cross - A universal symbol from the most remote times; it is the cosmic symbol par excellence." b. The seven planets were considered the cosmos and these were referred to as universal. The word Catholic means universal and originated with astrology rather than with the Christian Church (Vance, page 8). c. Constantine also caused the sign of the salutary trophy to be impressed on the very shields of his soldiers; and commanded that his embattled forces should be preceded in their march, not by golden eagles, as heretofore, but only by the standard of the cross. (Eusebius, Life of Constantine, p. 545). Revelation 6:10,11 10: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Yahweh, righteous and true, doest thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11: And white robes were given unto every one of them: and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be murdered as they were, should be fulfilled. (They are waiting for the 7 Year Peace Plan elect to be killed as they were.) This is fulfilled in Chapter 19 of Revelation. Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath JUDGED the great whore (Zion}, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath AVENGED the blood of His servants at her hand. " When you ride the train of Christianity, You ride the tracks of paganism." 20.Constantine is the one that opened the 5th Seal. 21.The domed "Temple of God" built by Constantine in the 4th century is inside the facade that is called the "Dome of the Rock", this is where the last Pope will move his throne to during the 7 Year Peace Plan. This is the Abomination of Desolation that scriptures speak of. 22. Emperor Rome became Papal Rome on October 28, 312 A.D., Constantine exchanged the EAGLE for the CROSS: 23. In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine united all pagan religious factions under one composite deity, Hesus = Ea-Zeus, Ea was the diety of healing, Zeus a sun diety; Chrishna, Krishna, Christos, Christ, another pagan sun deity,
What exactly was the point of the lecture? To appeal to apocryphal literature to prop up nero as the antichrist? Ecf's might be interesting to read but they don't replace scripture. And the whole 'they were disciples of the apostles' doesn't carry any weight either. Paul names people in 2 Tim who deserted him or taught wrong doctrine. Being associated with Paul was no guarantee of faithfulness was it? Its a weak argument all around.
It’s not to replace Scripture. It is to support the correct interpretations of Scripture. When we have a man telling us in 2020 what a certain Scripture passage means and it contradicts what the Church has always taught, it’s good to go back and confirm what the early Christians were taught by the apostles.
The point of the lecture is to show what the Earliest Christians believed and how they see and understand their faith. Then you would know for a fact it is entirely false the evangelicals common version that the Emperor Constantine contaminate the Christian faith to somewhat is ready to caracterize Catholic, Orthodox or any other beliefs apart from the Protestant man-made traditions. To prove pre-nicene (325AD) facts is vigorously important for our faith and it undeniably demonstrate the false claims on the Protestant revolution side, who more or less sees Sacred Scripture as a book the fell from the sky in leather cover and ziper edition.
@@ST-ov8cm Well then why not just appeal to scripture? The ascension of Isaiah or the shepherd of hermes? What do they tell you that scripture doesn't?
ContendingEarnestly I don’t know how to say it any differently. Reading early Christian writings helps us to understand the correct TRANSLATION of Scripture passages. We all know what the Scriptures SAY, but sometimes disagree as to what they MEAN. Understanding what the early Christians learned from the apostles helps us to know the correct INTERPRETATIONS of Scriptures, or what they MEAN. It can also help us to confirm other SACRED TRADITIONS which the apostles handed on to their followers. The early Christians have a lot better understanding of what Jesus and the apostles actually taught than do modern-day people.
@@ST-ov8cm Ecf's didn't agree with each other on many things. So who are we to believe? The one that agrees with you right? Ecf's don't define what scripture teaches. And we don't test our faith by them. We test all things from scripture.
You speak of the apostolic fathers as being Christian leaders? But, how could they be Christian leaders when Jesus said he was the only leader of true Christianity? As Jesus said to his apostles: "And do not accept the name of 'leader,' for your Leader is one alone--the Christ." (Matt. 23:10) One other thing, the Catholic Encyclopedia calls the Trinity teaching “the central doctrine of the Christian religion." But, is this what the so-called apostolic father believed about God? Not according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, which says: "The formulation ‘One God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century…. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.” Catholic Edmund Fortman added: "[The Apostolic Fathers] gave solid evidence of a belief in three pre-existent 'beings,' but they furnished no trinitarian doctrine, no awareness of a trinitarian problem." So, did the so-called apostolic fathers believe God is a trinity? Absolutely not. One last thing. If the so-called apostolic fathers really did interact with Jesus' hand-picked apostles, they would have been familiar with the things Jesus taught those apostles, right? So, from which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that... 1. purgatory exists? 2. Mary was born sinless? 3. Jesus was born on the same day as the pagan Roman Saturnalia? 4. single priests are required to remain celibate? 5. it's okay to worship images? 6. Mary is called the "Queen of Heaven"? 7. it's okay to forbid others from eating meat on Fridays or during Lent? 8. Mary is called the "mother of God"? 9. it's okay to call priests "Father"? 10. anyone drank God's blood? 11. Mary should be worshiped? 12. images should be worshiped? 13. the pope is the vicar of Christ? 14. Peter was the first pope? 15. three Gods are actually the same "one God"?
@Ian "That's all in the Bible or you just have a significant lack of understanding due to propaganda (ie no images are worshipped). There's plenty of videos and websites that will answer all your questions." What an ignorant statement. If all the above Catholic beliefs are in the Bible, shouldn't you be directing me to the Bible instead of to TH-cam videos and websites? It appears to me that you are the one with a lack of understanding. If not, you would have attempted to answer at least some of my questions, which you didn't do.
@Ian Oh, yes, it is ignorant to say that all the things I listed above are Scriptural Catholic teaching without giving me even a minimal explanation to back up your claim. And besides, you are required to explain your beliefs if I question them. As 1 Pet. 3:15 says: "Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope." This is something you have failed to do. "To understand how those questions you raised are in the Bible requires understanding cultural context, translation changes, cross references and understanding what form of literature a particular book in the Bible is." You say it takes extensive training to understand that everything I listed above is in the Bible, correct? Well, for you to say that everything I listed is Scriptural, I take that to mean that you have already undergone that training. So, pick out a question above and then show me how that particular Catholic teaching is indeed from the Bible.
@Ian "I educated you on the fundamental blindspot in your worldview." You educated me in nothing. The facts are, concerning the video, that the so-called earliest church fathers did not believe in a trinity, meaning that the trinity is not a Bible teaching. Also, you claim the items on the list I compiled are Biblical, even though you have no proof of that. So, if you choose to walk away, make sure you take your foot out of your mouth first. Okay, kid?
@Ian "Have you had a chance to listen to the theologians I pointed you to so you can become better educated about where your questions are answered in the Bible?" Let's look at three of the questions I listed, then see if they are Biblical, okay? 1. "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that purgatory exists?" Answer: NONE OF THEM!! As The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture.” 2. "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that single priests are required to remain celibate?" Answer: NONE OF THEM!! As The Catholic Encyclopedia says: "“We do not find in the New Testament any indication of celibacy being made compulsory either upon the Apostles or those whom they ordained.” 3. From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that "three Gods are actually the same 'one God'?" Answer: NONE OF THEM!! “The formulation ‘One God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century…. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”--The New Catholic Encyclopedia After reading of the admission by the Catholic Church that three Catholic beliefs above are unscriptural, do you still believe that everything on the list is Scriptural? Or do you need more proof?
@Ian "Man up, boy. Your little gotcha set-up doesn't work on your superiors." All you are doing is trying to run away from your own stupidity, which you obviously can't do. Remember that the last of the three questions in my last post was: 'From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that "three Gods are actually the same 'one God'?" Now, did you answer the question? Did you say which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that three Gods are actually the same 'one God'? Answer: NO!! Oh, and I noticed that you had nothing to say about the New Catholic Encyclopedia's admission that "among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been *NOTHING* even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective" of 'one God in three persons.' So, the question again was: "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that "three Gods are actually the same 'one God'?" Your answer to the question should have been, "NONE OF THEM!!" So, why didn't you answer the question? It's because if you had answered correctly, then you would have to admit that at the very least, one of your Catholic beliefs on the list above is NOT in the Bible. However, things get worse for you. You see, the first of my three questions from my last post was: "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that purgatory exists?" Did you answer the question? NO!! Could it be because The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture"? So, by not answering the question, I'll bet you were hoping the question would just drift away so you wouldn't have to admit that your own Catholic reference admits that the doctrine of purgatory is not a Bible teaching. So, can you honestly say the teaching of purgatory is Scriptural? Oh, and what about compulsory celibacy for unmarried priests? Is that Scriptural? Not according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, which says: "We do not find in the New Testament any indication of celibacy being made compulsory either upon the Apostles or those whom they ordained.” So, you failed to answer any of the three questions I posed in my last post, yet, you have the gall to say: "Your little gotcha set-up doesn't work on your superiors." The truth is that you "gotchaed" yourself! How pitiful for you.
Excellent speech Jimmy Akin. Totally explains how the early Christian church of the Bible was the Catholic Church of the 1st and 2nd centuries and to today. Doctrinal development = the Spirit, will guide you into all truth.
What Spirit would that be? Doctrinal development is man going outside the Word of God and going to word of man. Doctrines are not to be "developed". They are to be accepted as God gave them.
Absolutely Catholicism didn't exist the first few centuries. There is no Catholicism in scripture of among the early believers.
@@joycegreer9391 I met many like you when I was an evangelical. You have been so brainwashed by pastors who have taught you to hate Catholics. You have no clue what Catholicism is but you love to criticize it. Why do you hate? Just for clarification Catholicism is the Biblical church. It is the same Jesus established Catholic Church named so by 107AD and now for 2,000 years later which “is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.” 1Tim3:15 The verse says one “church”, divinely inspired not the thousands of confused man made protestant churches. You really don’t get it there were no protestants before the 16th century. Jesus never said he would raise up fallible men to fix his church in the 16th century because he failed. You put limits on your version of Jesus. That’s your problem. Every one of your conflicting protestant traditions and doctrines were developed (doctrinal development) by men with no inspiration from the Holy Spirit. However, the Catholic Church is being led to all truth by the Holy Spirit, John16:13. Listen to the truth this time and read your Bible with the Catholic Church the Bible a Catholic book. Goodbye Joyce.
Jimmy is one of my favorite Catholic Apologists. MABUHAY KA JIMMY AKIN!!! Greetings from a proud catholic from the Philippines.
Pride is of Satan
JIMMY AKIN knows too much. Thank you for this.
Wow ! l'm from Malawi and l'm proud to be a catholic always
Wow! That's far and cool! God bless you
Error is nothing to be proud of .
@@wendymitchell8245You didn’t watch the video did you
Jimmy akin better go down in history in the Catholic Church. There’s no one else like him.
Fantastic lectures, Mr Akin!!!! Proud to be a Catholic!!!
Greetings from a Brazilian friend, the largest Catholic country in the world.
Saludos desde Argentina!
Rosario Cisneros Saludos, Rosario!
Due to poor education.
@@wendymitchell8245You mean yours, like the one in display here? Wendy, how many languages do you speak? Probably you don’t even know the name of the capitals of more than three countries (like the average American).
@@masterchief8179 I am not American .I have visited London Paris, Brussels ,Amsterdam ,Berne ,Vienna , Rome etc on numerous occasions all my life .Have seen the Pope in Rome ,been around St .Peters ,and the Vatican , the Roman ruins ,the Catacombs etc. Walked around on the top of Vesuvius and been to Pompeii. Only did French and Latin at school but never use French , as most Europeans speak English.
I taught Religious Ed. with a 'cradle' Roman Catholic for about seven years .She was the one who told me to read up on the bad Popes as most were more like the Mafia. The Mafia started with he Vatican guard who were sacked by a Pope. My friend said she had questioned Apostolic succession for years asking Priests and monks how succession could pass through such evil Popes who were clearly not Christians but more interested in money and power. In the end she left .
Jimmy Akin, my favorite apologist 😍😍😍
Saw our video thumbnail come up in there. The Constantine thumbnail. : )
The didache answers the baptism questions. Amazing!
Great stuff!
From Colombia: God bless u.
"You might think that its the di dash .." Pure gold
I didn’t know ZZ Top was so good at apologetics.
The show “Pawn Stars” has a guy they call “the beard of knowledge.” Jimmy is the original beard of knowledge.
Jimmy Akin presents a POWERFUL historical case for the Catholic Church, showing that the MAINSTREAM Christians of the Early Church were CATHOLIC to the core.
By appealing to apocryphal books? Sure, okay.
Maybe Protestants don’t know much in patrology/ patristic literature and the difference between
1) scriptural books (gifted with inerrancy because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit);
2) patristic pious books from the Apostolic fathers (like the letters from Pope Clement or Ignatius of Antioch, for example: many disputed that some letters from Saint Clement should be in the NT canon);
3) patristic pious apocryphal from the earliest of the Fathers, as ancient (even more ancient) as NT books (like the Didaché, which was disputed to be in the Canon of the Bible too according to many, until the Catholic Church discernment understood and officially defined the Canon - the same that Protestantism modified);
4) spurious apocrypha books like Acts of Peter, Gospel of Mary Magdalena and others, with false doctrines and non-correspondent dates of writings and the alleged author, like all the gnostic books (like the Gospel of James and all books from Da Vinci’s Code gnostic heretical understandings; if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church, those man would have corrupted the Bible);
5) patristic pious books from the later Church Fathers (like Saint Ireneus, Saint Augustine or Saint Basil).
Remember you wouldn’t have a Bible in your hands if it wasn’t for the Catholic Church in the first place, my friend, but you act like it is a book that fell from the sky in leather cover and ziper edition, but is was actually a whole collection of enormous books that Catholic monks and copists had to preserve from heresy and from political institutionalized persecution long before the press even exists for 1500 years!
Your approach to history is counter-factual because all revolutionary people act like this. The same goes with Protestant revolution.
ContendingEarnestly Did... did you not listen to the talk at all?
@@POCCNRCKNbY I did. Did you have a point?
The point of the lecture is to show what the Earliest Christians believed and how they see and understand their faith. Then you would know for a fact it is entirely false the evangelicals common version that the Emperor Constantine contaminate the Christian faith to somewhat is ready to caracterize Catholic, Orthodox or any other beliefs apart from the Protestant man-made traditions. That’s the point Jimmy made. To prove pre-nicene (325AD) facts is vigorously important for our faith and it undeniably demonstrate the false claims on the Protestant revolution side, who more or less sees Sacred Scripture as a book the fell from the sky in leather cover and ziper edition.
To debunk Sola Scriptura, reading of the early Church Fathers will certainly help. Good talk from Jimmy, God bless
Sola scriptura means the Word of God alone . You are saying read the errors of men ..Even they started by believing in it.
@@wendymitchell8245 Let me give you a protestant definition of sola scriptura...the sole infallible source for Christian faith and practice...this is what I'm talking about. God bless
@@anthonytan7134 That is correct as it is the inspired word of God. This comes from the promise to the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would bring back to their memory everything he taught them .John 14-17.
@@wendymitchell8245 so you mean that John 14-17 to support sola scriptura ??? all teachings done, finished, completed with the Scripture ? nothing more, nothing less and nothing else ?
@@anthonytan7134 John 14 - 17 . Is Jesus commission to his Apostles . He treated them like a Rabbi with his students teaching them for 3 years . Then he said he would send His Holy Spirit to bring back to their memory everything he taught them . This happened at Pentecost. They were also called the foundation the church was built on , because they had the original teaching ,the inspired word . Anyone calling himself an Apostle had to be a witness to the resurrection. This is mentioned when the replaced Judas.
Or do you believe the book of Mormon is he word of God because they say so .
Jimmy Akin is so cool
He is, isn't he?
he should wear a vest.
My only critique is that he should should be wearing a bolo tie.
I grew up in Chevy Chase and my Dad grew up in Bethesda!
Tremendous
While the historical chronology is interesting, I would've preferred to hear Jimmy talk about how the actual content of the writings of the first fathers directly supports Catholic claims. I own 2 of the books he recommends to learn more but not the one related to my preference (The Very First Fathers). Oh well, guess I'll check out more videos of this conference....
Council of Trent podcast- Trent uses the church fathers all the time.
I never understood why in Protestant belief it mattered what mode to baptize as it is viewed as a symbol only? If it is just a symbol and just a public act of an inner change why does it matter if it's poured/sprinkled or if you are dunked? This was one of the stumbling blocks that lead me to question my protestant upbringing/background and one of many things that lead me to the Catholic Church.
This isn't a difficult question. I'm sure if you had asked your pastor or someone with a little bible knowledge they could have answered your question. Immersion is symbolic of joining with Jesus is His death and new life. Romans 6;
Rom 6:3-5
3 Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection, NASB
We are buried with Him through baptism into death, then like Christ, raised up to newness of life. Can't have that symbolism with sprinkling. Its not only our public declaration of our new life but a symbol of our own death and being raised up again. Not to beat a dead horse but you simply don't get that being sprinkled. Hope this helps.
Water baptism is one reason why Catholicism is apostate...
The true Christians baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and these antichrists changed water baptism to the trinity of titles
@@dieselcowboy777 How does Matthew 28:19 fit into that theology?
@@familyvideos9513 matthee 28:19 needed to be interpreted because Jesus Christ was not speaking plainly.....Jesus christ did not mean for people to take his words literally and baptize people using the trinity of titles Father Son and holy ghost.....
Jesus christ said to baptize them in the Name of....
Father son and holy ghost is not a name....
@@familyvideos9513 the apostles understood what jesus christ meant in matthew 28:19 and that's why they always baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
Why aren't protestants allowed to go deep in history? In defense of the prots, they need to learn that the world existed before Luther.. Luther was not Adam
their automatic defense, whenever I bring it up, are: 1 - Constantine this and Constantine that and/or 2 - the Christians that did what Catholics do today in the 1st and 2nd centuries were gnostics.
so true.
@@crobeastness so true
Learning church history was what finally brought me home to the Catholic Church
@Ahin Johny I was! I'm in the process of getting confirmed now!
Scripture is the only infallible guide. You lose when you fall back to men, their opinions, thier interpetaions, their traditions. Satan is at work in all men. Our only trust & hope is in Christ the Word. GOD had & has complete control of the book I hold iny hand that HE & HE alone inspired & canoized thru men HE used. Standing befor almighty GOD will HE turn me away for trusting in HIS Word only or for trusting in & practising men's traditions, interpetstions of a few scriptures, practising man made rituals & sacraments?
Beautiful presentation but that sneezing thing is pretty annoying Jimmy
Great talk but wheres the Kleenex.
Was Tertius the 'third man'?
In Roman families, children were often names after the order they were born. That's why it's common to find names like "the third" "the fourth" etc...
I heard Paul was beheaded outside the walls of Rome- St. Paul outside the walls
THE VC ery first Father an most important Father was and is GOD.
The thousand years of Revelation is when Christ returns and reigns. This only happens after Israel has returned to their land . Real prophecies of O.T. Prophets Ezekiel.37 :21 .I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone and will gather them on every side ,and bring them into their own land. 22. and I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel.
First, know that these posts are difficult to write. Yet, the Bible directs me to speak out, to 'exhort one another as long as it called 'day'.
It is written in the Bible, Paul speaking, "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." Since the Catholic Church holds the Bible to be the Word of God, do you think it is important to know the gospel that Paul preached? Is your gospel the same as his?
The Apostle Paul: Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall be saved (Romans 10.13)
Catholic doctrine: Whoever calls upon the Name of the Lord shall not be saved (i.e. baptism and other things are necessary for salvation).
Jesus said, "Be careful how you hear," so be careful how you hear! Simply by calling on the Name of the Lord, you can know Christ, to be filled with the Holy Spirit, to be born again. Jesus said, "Whoever believes in Me shall have rivers of living water bubbling up inside of him." In perfect logic, what can you say about someone who does NOT have rivers of living water? They do not believe in Jesus! They are not saved!
Do not believe what I say but read the Bible, obeying, not the traditions of men, but Jesus, Who said, "The Holy Spirit will lead you into all the truth." He also said that we should call no man 'father!' You have one Father, even God! Do not trust your salvation to those who have no assurance of their own (ask them!). Shall the blind lead the blind?
You cannot say that I did not warn you! Christ died on a Cross so that you may know Him as your dear, close and personal friend. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.
Wasn't Jesus born NOT at home because they had to go to Bethlehem for the census?
The "one circle removed from Jesus' inner circle" were prophesied by apostle Paul to become apostates who led the church astray in Acts 20. Just sayin.
Jesus did return in the 1st century.
Jesus DID come…in 70AD. Just like He said.
Jesus was clesr, call No man on earth father. Catholics disregard Jesus commandments.
YOU PEOPLE ARE SO DECEIVED BY THESE GUYS LIKE THIS GUY.
6 minutes and still doesn't talk about church fathers,,
Did you know the Mafia were previously the Vatican guard.
Nice try.
You hang (lurk) around so many Catholic You Tube channels. Clearly it is a cry for help. However, you're going about it all wrong.
@@jeffscully50613 It is a cry to you to open your eyes to the truth before it is too late .
The First Fathers were the Apostles. They never misquoted Jesus or the scriptures we have. As for those that came later many are heretics.
You think Christianity got it wrong fifteen centuries before Luther came along.
@@truthseeker9163 No, I think the Catholic church got a lot of things wrong. They made wars that should never have happened and several of them were against people that could not fight against them. They did things that were totally opposite to what Jesus taught. Wars were one of them, making people do penance was another. They burned people at the stake for many different reasons. None of the reasons were worth that. They even burnt and hanged so-called saints and then years later tried to repent. They did a few good things like built schools and hospitals but they were for those that were rich in high status with the church. It was a few hundred years later that peasants could get an education but they were not to read Latin or attempt to read the Bible. This is not even counting the fallacies they still teach.
@@bcalvert321 You should read about Martin Luther. What a lunatic!
@bcalvert321 The earliest Christian description of worship is the Mass, as celebrated by Catholics and Orthodox today.
@@fantasia55 Wrong. There are sites all around the Mid-east that have been discovered and they were not Catholic and nothing like the Catholic Mass. They have murals on the walls that depict hands being raised and dancing during the service. And it was nothing like anything done today in a Catholic church, it was closer to being Pentecostal. Many did speak in tongues and were filled with the Holy Spirit. That does not happen in any mass today. I have a friend from the local college who goes to Jordan every year and is digging at such a site with students from the college.
The catholic " apostles " stepped away from the teachings of Jesus immediately after the death of Polycarp, the last one with actual contact with the Apostles of Jesus. Tbey immediately fulfilled the reason Paul warned and accursed those he knew would preach another gospel, Galations 1:8. Catholics even at their earliest appearance in 110 AD began preaching their accursed gospel. Baptism without the name of Jesus, the worship of Mary, putting graven images into their churches and praying to any other than God. Apostasy after apostasy then in 1227 pope Gregory with his henchmen the Dominicans and Franciscans began their tortures and murders for the next several hundreds of years. Chapter 17 in The Book of The Revelation of Jesus Christ says the catholic church is not forgiven. The Holy Spirit confirms this Word of God.
Please read the Fathers for yourself rejecting interpretation by modern thinkers that will show you the path to thevtruth
@@jamesb7651 Jesus specifically said " call no one on earth father for you have one father The Father who is in heaven." The trinity is not scriptural. No one in the New Testament was baptized in anything else but the name of Jesus Christ. Corruption of the Word of God is from the antchrist spirit. I have read many things including John Foxes Book of Martyrs. The is no truth in catholic doctrine.
Constantine started Christianity from an already established pagan religion by the same name. Constantine was a pagan sun worshiper and he had the last, the 11th Roman Emperor Persecution so he was the one that killed off the last of the Elect of Yahweh Messiah. Constantine lived during the time that salvation was still available to him and Josephus and every one else that lived during the time of the 11 persecutions. All that were left were the pagans and Constantine wanted to put them all under one heading ,that of Christianity. He had the pagans killed that would not come over to it, as you can see we inherited the lies of our pagan forefathers. THE FOLLOWING IS THE CHRISTIANITY THAT CONSTANTINE HAD STARTED BELIEF SYSTEM, YOU WILL SEE WHY THE CATHOLICS SAY THEY ARE THE ORIGINAL CHURCH STARTED BY JESUS CHRIST. JESUS CHRIST IS ACTUALLY 2 SUN DEITY NAMES. THE CATHOLIC DENOMINATION DID NOT EXIST BEFORE 1559 AT THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, AND YOU CAN SEE BY THEIR BELIEVE SYSTEM IS THAT THEY KEPT ADDING TO THE PAGANISM STARTED BY CONSTANTINE.
Christianity was firmly established long before Constantine.
@@truthseeker9163 Christianity has always been a pagan religion even before Constantine and why he picked it to put all the pagans under one heading
@@garystanfield2274 The Catholic Church existed centuries before the Council of Nicea. It was attended by Catholic bishops. The council was held to defend Catholics against the Arian heresy.
@@truthseeker9163It was Constantine that used the word CATHOLIC meaning UNIVERSAL for CHRISTIANITY. Catholic as a denomination did not exist until 1559 at the Council of Trent.
Constantine introduced the Babylonian mystery religions into one as a Christian, a Universal / Catholic Religion and he made Christianity (Edict of Milan), the official state religion of the Roman Empire.
a. J.C. Cooper, An Illustrated Encyclopaedia of Traditional Symbols, p. 45, aptly summarizes it, "Cross - A universal symbol from the most remote times; it is the cosmic symbol par excellence."
b. The seven planets were considered the cosmos and these were referred to as universal. The word Catholic means universal and originated with astrology rather than with the Christian Church (Vance, page 8).
c. Constantine also caused the sign of the salutary trophy to be impressed on the very shields of his soldiers; and commanded that his embattled forces should be preceded in their march, not by golden eagles, as heretofore, but only by the standard of the cross. (Eusebius, Life of Constantine, p. 545).
Revelation 6:10,11
10: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Yahweh, righteous and true, doest thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11: And white robes were given unto every one of them: and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be murdered as they were, should be fulfilled. (They are waiting for the 7 Year Peace Plan elect to be killed as they were.)
This is fulfilled in Chapter 19 of Revelation. Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are His judgments: for He hath JUDGED the great whore (Zion}, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath AVENGED the blood of His servants at her hand.
" When you ride the train of Christianity,
You ride the tracks of paganism."
20.Constantine is the one that opened the 5th Seal.
21.The domed "Temple of God" built by Constantine in the 4th century is inside the facade that is called the "Dome of the Rock", this is where the last Pope will move his throne to during the 7 Year Peace Plan. This is the Abomination of Desolation that scriptures speak of.
22. Emperor Rome became Papal Rome on October 28, 312 A.D., Constantine exchanged the EAGLE for the CROSS:
23. In the fourth century, the Roman Emperor Constantine united all pagan religious factions under one composite deity, Hesus = Ea-Zeus, Ea was the diety of healing, Zeus a sun diety; Chrishna, Krishna, Christos, Christ, another pagan sun deity,
@@truthseeker9163 Tell me another lie so I can tell you another truth.
What exactly was the point of the lecture? To appeal to apocryphal literature to prop up nero as the antichrist? Ecf's might be interesting to read but they don't replace scripture. And the whole 'they were disciples of the apostles' doesn't carry any weight either. Paul names people in 2 Tim who deserted him or taught wrong doctrine. Being associated with Paul was no guarantee of faithfulness was it? Its a weak argument all around.
It’s not to replace Scripture. It is to support the correct interpretations of Scripture. When we have a man telling us in 2020 what a certain Scripture passage means and it contradicts what the Church has always taught, it’s good to go back and confirm what the early Christians were taught by the apostles.
The point of the lecture is to show what the Earliest Christians believed and how they see and understand their faith. Then you would know for a fact it is entirely false the evangelicals common version that the Emperor Constantine contaminate the Christian faith to somewhat is ready to caracterize Catholic, Orthodox or any other beliefs apart from the Protestant man-made traditions. To prove pre-nicene (325AD) facts is vigorously important for our faith and it undeniably demonstrate the false claims on the Protestant revolution side, who more or less sees Sacred Scripture as a book the fell from the sky in leather cover and ziper edition.
@@ST-ov8cm Well then why not just appeal to scripture? The ascension of Isaiah or the shepherd of hermes? What do they tell you that scripture doesn't?
ContendingEarnestly I don’t know how to say it any differently. Reading early Christian writings helps us to understand the correct TRANSLATION of Scripture passages. We all know what the Scriptures SAY, but sometimes disagree as to what they MEAN. Understanding what the early Christians learned from the apostles helps us to know the correct INTERPRETATIONS of Scriptures, or what they MEAN. It can also help us to confirm other SACRED TRADITIONS which the apostles handed on to their followers. The early Christians have a lot better understanding of what Jesus and the apostles actually taught than do modern-day people.
@@ST-ov8cm Ecf's didn't agree with each other on many things. So who are we to believe? The one that agrees with you right? Ecf's don't define what scripture teaches. And we don't test our faith by them. We test all things from scripture.
You speak of the apostolic fathers as being Christian leaders? But, how could they be Christian leaders when Jesus said he was the only leader of true Christianity? As Jesus said to his apostles: "And do not accept the name of 'leader,' for your Leader is one alone--the Christ." (Matt. 23:10)
One other thing, the Catholic Encyclopedia calls the Trinity teaching “the central doctrine of the Christian religion." But, is this what the so-called apostolic father believed about God? Not according to the New Catholic Encyclopedia says, which says: "The formulation ‘One God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century…. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”
Catholic Edmund Fortman added: "[The Apostolic Fathers] gave solid evidence of a belief in three pre-existent 'beings,' but they furnished no trinitarian doctrine, no awareness of a trinitarian problem."
So, did the so-called apostolic fathers believe God is a trinity? Absolutely not.
One last thing. If the so-called apostolic fathers really did interact with Jesus' hand-picked apostles, they would have been familiar with the things Jesus taught those apostles, right? So, from which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that...
1. purgatory exists?
2. Mary was born sinless?
3. Jesus was born on the same day as the pagan Roman Saturnalia?
4. single priests are required to remain celibate?
5. it's okay to worship images?
6. Mary is called the "Queen of Heaven"?
7. it's okay to forbid others from eating meat on Fridays or during Lent?
8. Mary is called the "mother of God"?
9. it's okay to call priests "Father"?
10. anyone drank God's blood?
11. Mary should be worshiped?
12. images should be worshiped?
13. the pope is the vicar of Christ?
14. Peter was the first pope?
15. three Gods are actually the same "one God"?
@Ian "That's all in the Bible or you just have a significant lack of understanding due to propaganda (ie no images are worshipped). There's plenty of videos and websites that will answer all your questions."
What an ignorant statement. If all the above Catholic beliefs are in the Bible, shouldn't you be directing me to the Bible instead of to TH-cam videos and websites? It appears to me that you are the one with a lack of understanding. If not, you would have attempted to answer at least some of my questions, which you didn't do.
@Ian Oh, yes, it is ignorant to say that all the things I listed above are Scriptural Catholic teaching without giving me even a minimal explanation to back up your claim. And besides, you are required to explain your beliefs if I question them. As 1 Pet. 3:15 says: "Always be ready to give an explanation to anyone who asks you for a reason for your hope." This is something you have failed to do.
"To understand how those questions you raised are in the Bible requires understanding cultural context, translation changes, cross references and understanding what form of literature a particular book in the Bible is."
You say it takes extensive training to understand that everything I listed above is in the Bible, correct? Well, for you to say that everything I listed is Scriptural, I take that to mean that you have already undergone that training. So, pick out a question above and then show me how that particular Catholic teaching is indeed from the Bible.
@Ian "I educated you on the fundamental blindspot in your worldview."
You educated me in nothing. The facts are, concerning the video, that the so-called earliest church fathers did not believe in a trinity, meaning that the trinity is not a Bible teaching.
Also, you claim the items on the list I compiled are Biblical, even though you have no proof of that. So, if you choose to walk away, make sure you take your foot out of your mouth first. Okay, kid?
@Ian "Have you had a chance to listen to the theologians I pointed you to so you can become better educated about where your questions are answered in the Bible?"
Let's look at three of the questions I listed, then see if they are Biblical, okay?
1. "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that purgatory exists?"
Answer: NONE OF THEM!! As The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture.”
2. "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that single priests are required to remain celibate?"
Answer: NONE OF THEM!! As The Catholic Encyclopedia says: "“We do not find in the New Testament any indication of celibacy being made compulsory either upon the Apostles or those whom they ordained.”
3. From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that "three Gods are actually the same 'one God'?"
Answer: NONE OF THEM!! “The formulation ‘One God in three Persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century…. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.”--The New Catholic Encyclopedia
After reading of the admission by the Catholic Church that three Catholic beliefs above are unscriptural, do you still believe that everything on the list is Scriptural? Or do you need more proof?
@Ian "Man up, boy. Your little gotcha set-up doesn't work on your superiors."
All you are doing is trying to run away from your own stupidity, which you obviously can't do. Remember that the last of the three questions in my last post was: 'From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that "three Gods are actually the same 'one God'?" Now, did you answer the question? Did you say which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that three Gods are actually the same 'one God'? Answer: NO!! Oh, and I noticed that you had nothing to say about the New Catholic Encyclopedia's admission that "among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been *NOTHING* even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective" of 'one God in three persons.' So, the question again was: "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that "three Gods are actually the same 'one God'?" Your answer to the question should have been, "NONE OF THEM!!" So, why didn't you answer the question? It's because if you had answered correctly, then you would have to admit that at the very least, one of your Catholic beliefs on the list above is NOT in the Bible.
However, things get worse for you. You see, the first of my three questions from my last post was: "From which of Jesus' apostles did the apostolic fathers get the idea that purgatory exists?" Did you answer the question? NO!! Could it be because The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "In the final analysis, the Catholic doctrine on purgatory is based on tradition, not Sacred Scripture"? So, by not answering the question, I'll bet you were hoping the question would just drift away so you wouldn't have to admit that your own Catholic reference admits that the doctrine of purgatory is not a Bible teaching. So, can you honestly say the teaching of purgatory is Scriptural?
Oh, and what about compulsory celibacy for unmarried priests? Is that Scriptural? Not according to the Catholic Encyclopedia, which says: "We do not find in the New Testament any indication of celibacy being made compulsory either upon the Apostles or those whom they ordained.”
So, you failed to answer any of the three questions I posed in my last post, yet, you have the gall to say: "Your little gotcha set-up doesn't work on your superiors." The truth is that you "gotchaed" yourself! How pitiful for you.