I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
My tip for anyone entering the hobby is the diminishing returns going from a later model CRT to a PVM. It just isn't worth the thousand-dollar premium. If you can find a PVM for free, sure why not. But an early 2000s model Sony WEGA with component for example is ~95% of the way there and can be found for free. And if you are comfortable giving it a proper calibration, most people would fail an A/B test between the two on 240p content.
I will agree because the 32 inch Sony Trinitron that I found on the curb last summer looks amazingly clear even though it was made in 2006. I even bought $60 HD retro vision component cables for my super Nintendo and when going from composite to component, it was barely an upgrade because the Trinitron is so good at converting composite signals. I don’t think PVM would be an upgrade considering how much they cost.
@@soulreaperx7x i just got a 36 inch WEGA trinitron from FB marketplace for free. was a nice old lady who just wanted to get rid of it because she is getting a more modern tv. really underestimated just how heavy it was though, so i guess i paid in back pain. lol
@@MyBrothersKeeper101most crts made in the 21st century can switch 60/50hz automatically. Manufacturors standardized on drivers that would just autoswitch so its less SKUs Power supplies aren’t cross compatible though 110/220v
Fun video, Seth! CRTs are also an important part of Game Preservation. It's the display format most retro games were designed to be played on. From the aspect ratio to the assets used to make up the images to even the timing (PAL, NTSC). A lot of systems and organizations that claim they are preserving games are just using modded retro hardware, but with modern digital outputs which not only alters how some games play (some are unplayable due to lag), but isn't a 1:1 presentation/preservation of how the game originally launched and what the developers intended.
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
Seth, that wasn't a Wega Sony pictured. Just a normal S/V/XBR Sony. Wegas were the completely flat Trinitrons and had HD and SD variants-- XBR>V>S. They had 30 and 34" in 16:9 and had 32, 36, and 40" in 4:3. The Sony Wegas and the JVC I'Arts were probably the best ones out there for CRTs.
HDCRT TVs (Edit: TVs, not monitors like Sony's PVM line) are pretty awful for anything older than a PS2. They generally can only output 540p (upscaled from 480p) or 1080i (native, upscaled from 720p, or interlaced 1080p). Anything 480i and 240p is (lag-inducingly) upscaled to 1080i, and looks pretty terrible. They're great for PS3/360/Wii, and the select games that do 480p on PS2/DC/XB/GC, but you're much better off with a with even a mid-range Standard Def model with S-Video for anything older than that.
@@dubson965 It depends on the set. All Philips, Toshiba sets before 2003, Samsung sets before 2005, All panasonic sets, present 480p and 1080i as separate scanning ranges and are lagless at those resolutions. All Sony, All JVC, Toshiba sets post 2003, Samsung sets post 2005, and others scale 480p to 540p and have some lag at that resolution. 1080i may have some lag too, but not as much.
The CRT journey is not for everyone and maybe not even for most people. However, if you're just enough of a purist, like me, that prefers to experience media in the way it was originally envisioned, it can be incredibly satisfying to be playing classic games on real hardware and in the glow of a true cathode ray accelerator.
Need that 0 Ms response time of the CRT. It's absolutely Paramount. Try playing Mike Tyson's Punch-Out through an emulator with a modern TV with 5 + milliseconds lag.
For Gen Xers... The gen that grew up along side the video game industry as it grew, but Millennials & Zoomers refuse to acknowledge exist... All of this stuff isn't retro. It's just what we had back in the day. And we liked it! It's only been 15-or-so-odd-years since the standards (16:9, HDMI) we're used to now started to become widely adopted. I'm grateful for the advances in die shrink technology, but there are still some things analog does better than digital and always will.
@@PLAYER_42069Millennials also grew up with crts, 16 bit, 32/64 bit consoles and gaming industry, while still niche, growing along with it as well. You may have a point with gen z, you're wrong about millennials.
My son just turned 13 and he's never even seen a CRT in action. Tried explaining to him that a CRT the size of our 75" flat panel would take up most of the living room and would weigh about half a ton. His mind was blown.
@Edwardsjm Yeah, and it would also have to either be lifted into the house by a crane during the construction of the house, or carried in piece by piece and assembled inside.
In Europe, you should make sure whether the TV you're buying has RGB and S-video input via SCART, and whether it can display PAL 50 Hz and 60 Hz, and NTSC signals. Most Euro TVs that have SCART do also receive RGB, but not all receive S-video. While later models generally can display 60 Hz and NTSC, many older models can only do PAL 50 Hz.
In 1990 the quality TV's had 2 SCART ports. One blue for RGB+Composite, one orange for S-video +composite. Or they were both black with tiny icons next to it. Those dual SCART models always do 50/60Hz side by side as well
@ Yup, I have a relatively late Panasonic model with widescreen Quitrix tube that has exactly that kind of setup. I love that telly but it's way too HUGE for my apartment and could do with some re-capping. It's sitting in storage right now.
Great. Now people will increase 🙄 the price of CRT TVs even more. Also, 1080i is really bad for retro games. HD CRTs are great for media content and maybe PS2 and newer, but not for 32 bit and older consoles.
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
You missed SCART connectors. They supports sVideo, Composite and even RGB which is clearer than Component. Not common in the USA, but they are everywhere else
SCART does not support svideo, only composite and RGB. RGB is not "cleaner" than YPbPr. It has equal color separation and bandwidth, but uses the luma color space. They are essentially the same, with a matrix transformation. The myth of YPbPr being worse comes from poor YPbPr decoding on devices like the framemeister and some RGB moddable consumer TVs. RGB modding on these sets bypasses other circuitry that may negatively affect the image, such as velocity modulation, which people incorrectly assume to be the consequence of YPbPr.
One factor to put into account is what type of setup are you building... like some folks focus on certain generations for retrogames... if you want to go in on an early gen1 gen2 (pong/atari era) console setup, then having a tv with RF only wouldn't be a bad option... in fact, finding some 80s wood grain would be preferred... generation 3 consoles don't "need" a million input tvs, and a standard rca equipped tv would be sufficient.. now generations 4 and up, I'd recommend tvs with all the inputs, especially ones with component
If you didnt want to spend money on CRT, let alone store the chunk of it plus many original console, Retroarch have a decent emulated CRT Shader called CRT Geom that could be set however you want. It can simulate the curve, the moire pattern, the dot of CRT quite well
Technically if you have a RGB to component transcoder you can run SNES Genesis and PlayStation on a CRT with component because those consoles support RGB video
For Europe, the gold standard in cables is SCART, which makes consoles like the SNES output RGB without modding. By the way RGB, that’s another rabbit hole, but well worth it for the retro gaming enthusiast
That's not entirely true. SCART is simply a connection standard, it can pass through composite and RGB. For example, the SNES Mini/Jr can't output RGB natively, but it also has the circuitry for the best overall image quality, so you have to RGB mod it still or else it's just passing composite through the SCART cable.
@@bnr32jason Don't forget SCART also transmits S-video, many SCART TV's have no S-video plugs, as you feed the signal through SCART. S-video is usually very close to RGB quality.
Found a emerson from 2007 (as it say's on back of TV) can't get the input to work so right now it's useless, just sitting on my work table waiting to get fixed, came here to try and find a solution.
the chances of me finding one in my town are slim ive checked everywhere well it doesnt help that im looking for like anything under 20 inches but its gonna be harder now since demand for them are going up and people will charge a hefty sum for such old tvs
I saw the writing on the wall when I moved out of my parents house 6 years ago. I have a storage locker full of CRTs I got for under $200 at various garage sales, most of them "free just take it."
Just bought a Sony trinitron 13" kv-13fs100 (2002) on ebay for around $500. These will definitely go up in value in the near future especially the small 13" ones. Definitely worth it
Made a lengthy, polite, informational comment correcting the misinformation in this video and providing additional context, IGN deletes it. Sounds about right.
"Budget to Best" was not covered at all here tbh. All you did was explain that Component is better than Composite and demo'd a budget Daewoo. Plus you called a 27" Wega a "grail". This video is a nothing-burger.
Here's your budget is actually the best guide: Cheapest are the big mo-fos. If they are spine-breaking and needing 3 men to carry one, they are usually free, or they cost the equivalent of 2 beers. Beware that the mofos can be 100Hz, often do image optimisation with added lag, and the scanline can be "really separated". A bit more expensive are the regular tinies: 13-14 inch. You can get those for like 20-30 bucks. I find these consumer sets to deliver the best image quality of any CRT, including PVMs. The best to get are the 20 inchers from the 90's though. They are on the sweet spot: image is slightly worse than a 14 inch, or slightly better if you like more pronounced scanlines, the sound is usually stereo and of excellent quality, and these often come with dual SCART/s-video inputs. A B&O MX4000, one of the nicer 20 inch models, can be found for like 40 bucks, which is a steal IMO. A high spec Sony 20" may touch 100 bucks. Even more expensive are the full flat square (WEGA in the US) Sonys, these do like 100 bucks and more, but they are often ugly, with silver painted plastic with lots of wear, and shapes with some none-design. I skip these. The worst of all are PVM's. They start at 200 bucks up to 500, they often have tons of on-hours making them rather dim, they are complex to maintain, they look like hospital equipment, never nice design, no speakers or just a tiny mono one, heavy, deep, no remotes, and too sharp horizontally
minimum input is 480p (except for some old ones like commodore 64) so gamecube and up you need a component to vga transcoder or the monitor might have BNC connections, anything older thats a 240p console you need a retrotink 2x or a scaler and a hdmi to vga adapter to double it atleast 480p or 31khz for the monitor to display it.
S-Video is actually great for N64 at least. It can't run component without an RGB mod, but S-Video on N64 has native support and is a nice step up from composite on unmodded consoles
I dunno I made do with an old RCA XL 100 color 13 inch television with the UHF VHF knobs and their respective signals as screw terminals on the back but I used a VCR for the composite hook ups as a kid that was my bedroom setup and something about having my own color tv for 10 bucks was all I could think about when hand carrying the thing home from a few blocks away. VCR was found in a dumpster without the top to the chasis but after cleaning it up I found it could still play movies as well as record onto VHS. It was liberating and felt great as a 12 year old to go to my room and have all my media needs met instead of fussing with who got to use the family TV. I also got a multi switch later on as the need for more audio video connectivity exceeded the 2 components available on the VCR radio shack had them for like 15 bucks for a 4 device switch that made it a breeze toggling between multiple game systems.
Dude if you had a 27-32” Sony Trinitron flat screen CRT in 2004, you were rich haha..and I was already almost half way through college at that time. It’s like the kids in college that had laptops, there was always those 3-4 students with them and you’d walk into class seeing them, thinking “you son of a B!”. Laptops were so expensive I remember, they were easily $2000, and if you got one for $800, it was a piece of crap with Pentium 4 mobile or slightly later Pentium D’s..or the dreaded Intel Celeron haha.
CRTs retro gaming TVs? That’s an understatement. Yes they’re great for retro gaming, but also great for VHS watching. Nothing matches the way a CRT can display old VHS tapes they look wrong on a modern Flat Screen TV at 16:9.
I need your help guys. Have a Grundig 16/9 Flat CRT and dunno and cannot look up it's model. It has a soundbar on the bottom installed and a round button on the soundbar. My expertise only unfolded it's a 7272 model...
Actually a vcr was the Japanese technology that eventually bled into the title vhs so the terms are technically the same if there was a recording feature
Is there any noticeable difference between a Phillips with component and a sony wega with component? It's all just 480i at the end of the day with the same amount pixels right?
Got a Toshiba 14inch screen with built in dvd player in amazing shape today for $25. They retail on eBay anywhere from $90-$150. The prices are ridiculous tbh really sad
Thankfully, there's component cables for the SNES and Genesis out there. Those old consoles had great RGB, but not in the US, so there's folks that made a cable that converts it to component and they look fantastic. Unfortunately, the N64 has to be modded for RGB for the cable to work
Well, the shipping price would be a killer as they are made of thick glass and literally lead. Also not sure they would stand up to the rigors of modern shipping.
There are certain games that are playable only on CRTs because of input\display lag alone. The top Super Metroid speedrunners, all use CRTs for a reason. Same goes for the top Smash tournaments
Another option is a Samung plasma TV, which paired with RetroArch Geom Filters, looks almost like a CRT (but without the bulk). No light gun support though.
Don’t forget, small is sometimes better. If you play mostly by yourself, a little crt on your desk is very fun.
Not to mention, those big ones are HEAVY.
@@mlmattinI use my daughter's station wagon to pull that beast. That thing is a monstrosity.
Yup, just picked up a 14" DVD combo last night for $10. I'm stoked!
Love to play chrono cross and ffix on our small crt tv when i was in high school good old days
Thanks for driving up the prices again , IGN.
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
@@lldjslim why the flat screen though? Then light guns won’t work right.
@@pabloescoe
Flat screen just looks better than the bubble screen
Light guns work perfect with a flat screen
@@lldjslim really? I’ve had trouble with them. Maybe it was just me.
@@pabloescoe
I'm using a Sony trinitron wega kv-20fs120
My tip for anyone entering the hobby is the diminishing returns going from a later model CRT to a PVM. It just isn't worth the thousand-dollar premium. If you can find a PVM for free, sure why not. But an early 2000s model Sony WEGA with component for example is ~95% of the way there and can be found for free. And if you are comfortable giving it a proper calibration, most people would fail an A/B test between the two on 240p content.
Spot on! You don't need a PVM a quality CRT TV is perfect for even 'enthusiasts'
It's near impossible to find Sony Wegas for free.
uh bone up on law of diminishing returns.
I will agree because the 32 inch Sony Trinitron that I found on the curb last summer looks amazingly clear even though it was made in 2006. I even bought $60 HD retro vision component cables for my super Nintendo and when going from composite to component, it was barely an upgrade because the Trinitron is so good at converting composite signals. I don’t think PVM would be an upgrade considering how much they cost.
@@soulreaperx7x i just got a 36 inch WEGA trinitron from FB marketplace for free. was a nice old lady who just wanted to get rid of it because she is getting a more modern tv. really underestimated just how heavy it was though, so i guess i paid in back pain. lol
One of the few advantages we have in PAL areas is the SCART cable, even still shows up on most modern TVs i've seen
Scart plugs just breaks easy.
All hail the SHART cable
50 HZ
@@MyBrothersKeeper101my pal crt TV does 60HZ and has scart
@@MyBrothersKeeper101most crts made in the 21st century can switch 60/50hz automatically.
Manufacturors standardized on drivers that would just autoswitch so its less SKUs
Power supplies aren’t cross compatible though 110/220v
Fun video, Seth! CRTs are also an important part of Game Preservation. It's the display format most retro games were designed to be played on. From the aspect ratio to the assets used to make up the images to even the timing (PAL, NTSC). A lot of systems and organizations that claim they are preserving games are just using modded retro hardware, but with modern digital outputs which not only alters how some games play (some are unplayable due to lag), but isn't a 1:1 presentation/preservation of how the game originally launched and what the developers intended.
The stuff that Analog has done is amazing but ubfortunately they're discontinuing their Genesis/SNES consoles.
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
@@lldjslim why paste this in so many random reply’s just leave a comment 😂
@@BenGilmanhe’s waiting to see if someone argues or praises so he can get more info from people
Seth, that wasn't a Wega Sony pictured. Just a normal S/V/XBR Sony. Wegas were the completely flat Trinitrons and had HD and SD variants-- XBR>V>S. They had 30 and 34" in 16:9 and had 32, 36, and 40" in 4:3. The Sony Wegas and the JVC I'Arts were probably the best ones out there for CRTs.
Definitely get some well built friends to move that 40" lol
@@coonyman10I have a tree stump and a stack of books underneath our folding table to keep my Sony from collapsing it.
HDCRT TVs (Edit: TVs, not monitors like Sony's PVM line) are pretty awful for anything older than a PS2. They generally can only output 540p (upscaled from 480p) or 1080i (native, upscaled from 720p, or interlaced 1080p). Anything 480i and 240p is (lag-inducingly) upscaled to 1080i, and looks pretty terrible. They're great for PS3/360/Wii, and the select games that do 480p on PS2/DC/XB/GC, but you're much better off with a with even a mid-range Standard Def model with S-Video for anything older than that.
This^ Thank you for speaking the truth!
does the 480p stay 480p, or get upscaled to 540p? is 480p laggy on them?
@@dubson965 It depends on the set. All Philips, Toshiba sets before 2003, Samsung sets before 2005, All panasonic sets, present 480p and 1080i as separate scanning ranges and are lagless at those resolutions.
All Sony, All JVC, Toshiba sets post 2003, Samsung sets post 2005, and others scale 480p to 540p and have some lag at that resolution. 1080i may have some lag too, but not as much.
@@loganjones4650 What about Magnavox???
and most do 100Hz processing as well, introducing lag and killing Duck Hunt.
I've grew up with the 80s woodgrain crt tv, 90s black curved Philip's tv, and mid 2000s silver tv. N64 and PS2 were my childhood.
You managed to take me on a 3 decade journey in under 15 seconds by describing each TV and the casing they came in. Thank you. Takes me back.
Found several CRTs on craigslist for free recently.
Craigslist and the Facebook market place is a gold mine. 👍
@@mrbungle589 And Kijijji Canada..
Love CRTs. They are gold. Especially Trinitrons.
Look out for the Toshiba AF too
Agreed
A great big old teac is pretty good too and stereo sound
The CRT journey is not for everyone and maybe not even for most people. However, if you're just enough of a purist, like me, that prefers to experience media in the way it was originally envisioned, it can be incredibly satisfying to be playing classic games on real hardware and in the glow of a true cathode ray accelerator.
A fellow man of culture *tips hat*
As a man who recently got a 27 inch Sony Trinitron from 1998 and is currently playing xenogears on that thing *tips hat*
Just main a plasma set and it’d be like setting the CRT filter
Need that 0 Ms response time of the CRT. It's absolutely Paramount. Try playing Mike Tyson's Punch-Out through an emulator with a modern TV with 5 + milliseconds lag.
@@MyBrothersKeeper101 man the 0ms on the crt tvs is amazing and it is not comparable to anything, people dont even know
And this video will help prices sky rocket.
You know you're old when you're laughing over how to describe a CRT TV to young people. Hilarious
IGN making it sound so sophisticated lol
Oh man lol, you right tho😂. Shout out to the floors of our old homes that suffered from holding those heavy @$$ FLOOR MODEL CRT’s down 🤣🤣🤣.
Don't get started on vcrs yet
For Gen Xers... The gen that grew up along side the video game industry as it grew, but Millennials & Zoomers refuse to acknowledge exist... All of this stuff isn't retro. It's just what we had back in the day. And we liked it! It's only been 15-or-so-odd-years since the standards (16:9, HDMI) we're used to now started to become widely adopted. I'm grateful for the advances in die shrink technology, but there are still some things analog does better than digital and always will.
@@PLAYER_42069Millennials also grew up with crts, 16 bit, 32/64 bit consoles and gaming industry, while still niche, growing along with it as well. You may have a point with gen z, you're wrong about millennials.
found my wide screen hd crt from 2005 back in 2020 for free with stand and remote its been a joy from heaven since.
My son just turned 13 and he's never even seen a CRT in action. Tried explaining to him that a CRT the size of our 75" flat panel would take up most of the living room and would weigh about half a ton. His mind was blown.
Probably closer to 1.5 tons
@Edwardsjm Yeah, and it would also have to either be lifted into the house by a crane during the construction of the house, or carried in piece by piece and assembled inside.
some other benefits of crt tv not mentioned in the video = 0 input lag and gun games compatible
Playing PES 2009 and Syphon Filter on a CRT brings ne memories...
In Europe, you should make sure whether the TV you're buying has RGB and S-video input via SCART, and whether it can display PAL 50 Hz and 60 Hz, and NTSC signals.
Most Euro TVs that have SCART do also receive RGB, but not all receive S-video. While later models generally can display 60 Hz and NTSC, many older models can only do PAL 50 Hz.
In 1990 the quality TV's had 2 SCART ports. One blue for RGB+Composite, one orange for S-video +composite. Or they were both black with tiny icons next to it. Those dual SCART models always do 50/60Hz side by side as well
@ Yup, I have a relatively late Panasonic model with widescreen Quitrix tube that has exactly that kind of setup. I love that telly but it's way too HUGE for my apartment and could do with some re-capping. It's sitting in storage right now.
This is also a viable solution for playing games that don't have lag calibration (e.g. Guitar Hero (2005).)
Throw a Sega Genesis on a CRT via component cables or SCART converted to component, and it looks amazing. Also Sega Saturn.
Agreed with Saturn!
Picked up an old 20 inch Panasonic flat screen crt with vhs and DVD combo and it's awesome
Nice!
Hard to find them now without people selling them as "collectable"
Because they are. People who want them want them for a reason. Where there is demand, the price will adjust accordingly.
@@bnr32jasonfacts
@@bnr32jason fk capitalism
Great. Now people will increase 🙄 the price of CRT TVs even more. Also, 1080i is really bad for retro games. HD CRTs are great for media content and maybe PS2 and newer, but not for 32 bit and older consoles.
Just get one at a yard sale for $20 dude jfc.
@@ioasisyumich naa, side of the road for free B)
Yup input lag
I'm very picky when it comes to a CRT TV, if it's not a flat screen, is bigger than 19" - 27" inches, doesn't have component outputs, then I'm not interested in it
There goes the market
Sony trinitron have fun loading picking it up
Some HD CRTs had issues with LAG and Sync with when connected to consoles.
Yeah that was typically on consoles older than the ps2 or gamecube.
You didn’t mention the older dipole antenna connection. RF was a step up from that.
1:44 Gotta take points off for using the term "VHS player."
You missed SCART connectors. They supports sVideo, Composite and even RGB which is clearer than Component. Not common in the USA, but they are everywhere else
It not being common in the US is likely why they glossed over it.
SCART does not support svideo, only composite and RGB.
RGB is not "cleaner" than YPbPr. It has equal color separation and bandwidth, but uses the luma color space. They are essentially the same, with a matrix transformation. The myth of YPbPr being worse comes from poor YPbPr decoding on devices like the framemeister and some RGB moddable consumer TVs. RGB modding on these sets bypasses other circuitry that may negatively affect the image, such as velocity modulation, which people incorrectly assume to be the consequence of YPbPr.
Rgb and component looks the same to me.
Yeah USA basically non-existent*
@@ShankMods Great reply!
Fun change of pace!
One factor to put into account is what type of setup are you building... like some folks focus on certain generations for retrogames... if you want to go in on an early gen1 gen2 (pong/atari era) console setup, then having a tv with RF only wouldn't be a bad option... in fact, finding some 80s wood grain would be preferred... generation 3 consoles don't "need" a million input tvs, and a standard rca equipped tv would be sufficient.. now generations 4 and up, I'd recommend tvs with all the inputs, especially ones with component
Correct me if I'm wrong, but light guns don't work on HD crts.
CRT is a lifestyle
The way you phrased something being a hobby is AMAZING!
It’s not supposed to be “useful” that’s what your job is for.
As long as you get one that works and it's free, that's what matters. You can use em for light guns.
Not really get one with atleast composite then your fine
Not anymore Sony Trinitron probably cost $500 now
If you didnt want to spend money on CRT, let alone store the chunk of it plus many original console, Retroarch have a decent emulated CRT Shader called CRT Geom that could be set however you want. It can simulate the curve, the moire pattern, the dot of CRT quite well
The whole point of CRT isn't really just the look, its the near zero input lag.
Dude you can just get one for free or like 10$
@@DiSCERiTYeh, a lot of people actually do like them for the ascetic so...
The CRT TVs can be found...only at 2nd hand stores ( or flea market above anywhere else )
Technically if you have a RGB to component transcoder you can run SNES Genesis and PlayStation on a CRT with component because those consoles support RGB video
Just picked up a Panasonic Tau dvd vhs for 20$ last week after my Sony Trinatron had a accident 😢 I cried but it’s getting so hard that find a crt😮
What about plasma tvs those look great too
For Europe, the gold standard in cables is SCART, which makes consoles like the SNES output RGB without modding.
By the way RGB, that’s another rabbit hole, but well worth it for the retro gaming enthusiast
That's not entirely true. SCART is simply a connection standard, it can pass through composite and RGB. For example, the SNES Mini/Jr can't output RGB natively, but it also has the circuitry for the best overall image quality, so you have to RGB mod it still or else it's just passing composite through the SCART cable.
@@bnr32jason Don't forget SCART also transmits S-video, many SCART TV's have no S-video plugs, as you feed the signal through SCART. S-video is usually very close to RGB quality.
CRTs, you say?
we have still big crt samsung tv in our lives room I just told my mom never give it way if it annoyed her she just put tv in my room
There go the prices hikes on retro again
Found a emerson from 2007 (as it say's on back of TV) can't get the input to work so right now it's useless, just sitting on my work table waiting to get fixed, came here to try and find a solution.
got a Toshiba mw20f52 with a built in vhs/dvd player
Still have my 27 in crt and rocking the n64 and then some
the chances of me finding one in my town are slim ive checked everywhere well it doesnt help that im looking for like anything under 20 inches but its gonna be harder now since demand for them are going up and people will charge a hefty sum for such old tvs
I saw the writing on the wall when I moved out of my parents house 6 years ago. I have a storage locker full of CRTs I got for under $200 at various garage sales, most of them "free just take it."
Not sure why a company didn’t still make a new crt for gaming?
Because its a niche market.
@@TheLinkmaster007exactly
you can find CRT's on the low very often if you know where to look
Do tell where to look please my crtv is in the technician's not sure if can be fixed
Got an RCA CRT TV today for 8$ at the thrift store. I like it. It works.
Just picked up a Sony Trinitron 29 inch with component, and three composite jacks (no s video sadly). Got it for free, so very happy
Snagged me a little CRT yesterday for $20 😏
Xbox 360 + VGA cable + CRT pc monitor = awesome!
Just bought a Sony trinitron 13" kv-13fs100 (2002) on ebay for around $500. These will definitely go up in value in the near future especially the small 13" ones. Definitely worth it
Was it new in sealed box? I only paid 40€ for the EU variation.
Made a lengthy, polite, informational comment correcting the misinformation in this video and providing additional context, IGN deletes it. Sounds about right.
"Budget to Best" was not covered at all here tbh. All you did was explain that Component is better than Composite and demo'd a budget Daewoo. Plus you called a 27" Wega a "grail".
This video is a nothing-burger.
Here's your budget is actually the best guide: Cheapest are the big mo-fos. If they are spine-breaking and needing 3 men to carry one, they are usually free, or they cost the equivalent of 2 beers. Beware that the mofos can be 100Hz, often do image optimisation with added lag, and the scanline can be "really separated". A bit more expensive are the regular tinies: 13-14 inch. You can get those for like 20-30 bucks. I find these consumer sets to deliver the best image quality of any CRT, including PVMs.
The best to get are the 20 inchers from the 90's though. They are on the sweet spot: image is slightly worse than a 14 inch, or slightly better if you like more pronounced scanlines, the sound is usually stereo and of excellent quality, and these often come with dual SCART/s-video inputs. A B&O MX4000, one of the nicer 20 inch models, can be found for like 40 bucks, which is a steal IMO. A high spec Sony 20" may touch 100 bucks. Even more expensive are the full flat square (WEGA in the US) Sonys, these do like 100 bucks and more, but they are often ugly, with silver painted plastic with lots of wear, and shapes with some none-design. I skip these. The worst of all are PVM's. They start at 200 bucks up to 500, they often have tons of on-hours making them rather dim, they are complex to maintain, they look like hospital equipment, never nice design, no speakers or just a tiny mono one, heavy, deep, no remotes, and too sharp horizontally
Basically what ever you can find locally
What about connecting consoles to CRT Computer Monitors?
minimum input is 480p (except for some old ones like commodore 64) so gamecube and up you need a component to vga transcoder or the monitor might have BNC connections, anything older thats a 240p console you need a retrotink 2x or a scaler and a hdmi to vga adapter to double it atleast 480p or 31khz for the monitor to display it.
u need downscaler to display 240p
@@mr.electronx9036 on a vga monitor? Wrong
All you need is too convert the signal to vga
brands should create crt tv again.
All i used was antenna jacks, i played colecovision into the 90s my tvs didnt have rca cables.
Bring back CRTs!!!!
Too expensive unfortunatelly
RF modulation is great for connecting multiple consoles. I have 7 daisychained on a single TV.
S-Video is actually great for N64 at least. It can't run component without an RGB mod, but S-Video on N64 has native support and is a nice step up from composite on unmodded consoles
Some "old" games are unplayable with Digital Input Lag.
Got a Samsung flat screen HD crt that has tons of hookups got it free it’s a 32 inch it’s insanely heavy
I’m loving 2023 … moving backwards
So heavy lol i have a 13 inch trinitron i definitely plan on using until i get a sweet offer
Do crts make a noise
Yes they do but crt vga monitors dont
Flat screens are the loudest only if you dont use them
I dunno I made do with an old RCA XL 100 color 13 inch television with the UHF VHF knobs and their respective signals as screw terminals on the back but I used a VCR for the composite hook ups as a kid that was my bedroom setup and something about having my own color tv for 10 bucks was all I could think about when hand carrying the thing home from a few blocks away. VCR was found in a dumpster without the top to the chasis but after cleaning it up I found it could still play movies as well as record onto VHS. It was liberating and felt great as a 12 year old to go to my room and have all my media needs met instead of fussing with who got to use the family TV. I also got a multi switch later on as the need for more audio video connectivity exceeded the 2 components available on the VCR radio shack had them for like 15 bucks for a 4 device switch that made it a breeze toggling between multiple game systems.
just picked up a 32" Sanyo Vizon with 1080i hdmi, 2 components, 2 composites. $40
This the type of tv you gotta smack the side a couple times for the picture and sound to work correctly
What?
one of the best IGN VIDEOS
Which size crt is this daweoo tv ??
Thanks for answer
Are there really no adapters to be able to play them on current TVs?
Of course there, but most look like crap, CRT gives you the best image for old consoles, they were meant to be played on those old screens.
There are. Plenty of great scalers out there like the OSSC and RetroTink devices.
Have my wii connected to my 65" c1 and it plays great
Do American CRT’s not have Scart connections?
HD crt tv has input lag
To my understanding, HD CRT’s aren’t great for gaming due to the input lag and native res. Don’t loose sleep over letting it go
Dude if you had a 27-32” Sony Trinitron flat screen CRT in 2004, you were rich haha..and I was already almost half way through college at that time. It’s like the kids in college that had laptops, there was always those 3-4 students with them and you’d walk into class seeing them, thinking “you son of a B!”. Laptops were so expensive I remember, they were easily $2000, and if you got one for $800, it was a piece of crap with Pentium 4 mobile or slightly later Pentium D’s..or the dreaded Intel Celeron haha.
What about the Sharp CRT TV?
The large teac crtvs were awesome too and National tvs
CRTs retro gaming TVs? That’s an understatement.
Yes they’re great for retro gaming, but also great for VHS watching. Nothing matches the way a CRT can display old VHS tapes they look wrong on a modern Flat Screen TV at 16:9.
I need your help guys. Have a Grundig 16/9 Flat CRT and dunno and cannot look up it's model. It has a soundbar on the bottom installed and a round button on the soundbar.
My expertise only unfolded it's a 7272 model...
Seth Macy is my spirit animal.
Never heard a VCR being called a VHS player
Actually a vcr was the Japanese technology that eventually bled into the title vhs so the terms are technically the same if there was a recording feature
VHS was called in Europe
VCR America ect.
Is there any noticeable difference between a Phillips with component and a sony wega with component? It's all just 480i at the end of the day with the same amount pixels right?
Thank you for making this video! 🙏🏽 It’s been hard to find info in an easily digestible video like this one lol
Got a Toshiba 14inch screen with built in dvd player in amazing shape today for $25. They retail on eBay anywhere from $90-$150. The prices are ridiculous tbh really sad
Thankfully, there's component cables for the SNES and Genesis out there. Those old consoles had great RGB, but not in the US, so there's folks that made a cable that converts it to component and they look fantastic. Unfortunately, the N64 has to be modded for RGB for the cable to work
Just get a scart cable and transcode it to component
I’ve got hd widescreen crt, plus another 3 crt tvs for it and when they start to die
What about buying one on ebay?
Well, the shipping price would be a killer as they are made of thick glass and literally lead. Also not sure they would stand up to the rigors of modern shipping.
@@xHICKORYx Well, it was worth a try.
There is an alternative, although not perfect you can often get LCD TVs with 640X480 60P native resolution for almost nothing.
A giant Sony WEGA is worth half the space of your game room. 😂 seriously! 🔥🔥
Okay but is it worth buying an old crt tv for use as a modern gaming monitor?
It's easy to convert them to hdmi
Doesn't everyone in red states in America still have a crt TV?
S-Video was amazing
Perfect TV's for retro game collectors.
JVC Gang in the house
There are certain games that are playable only on CRTs because of input\display lag alone. The top Super Metroid speedrunners, all use CRTs for a reason. Same goes for the top Smash tournaments
Another option is a Samung plasma TV, which paired with RetroArch Geom Filters, looks almost like a CRT (but without the bulk). No light gun support though.
Issue is they have a ton of input lag and stuff, better off just getting a nice warm crt they also last longer