I’m in Boston. All LTC are being automatically converted to unrestricted. References are no longer required on the application. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
This is the automated reply you get when you contact the licensing department: “Thank you for contacting the Boston Police Licensing Unit. Due to high demand we will not be responding to emails regarding LTC restriction changes. All LTC's are being changed automatically by the unit. Once we receive the new "unrestricted card" you will be contacted via phone, using the contact number on file. If you have questions regarding carrying your firearm before receiving your new card, we ask that you contact your attorney for legal advice. Thank you.”
@@tomswift3835 You can leave it blank. That's what Boston Police Licensing instructed me to do. References were part of the licensing scheme that was done away with after the Bruen case.
I’m in western MA and as honest as this video is it infuriates me how accurate it is. Especially considering the new tyrannical gun ban we are dealing with as of Feb 2024. So many leaders and politicians should be in prison for even proposing this madness.
really cause new SCOTUS ruling says massachusetts cannot place restrictions on LTC's anymore. boston, and springfield have already preemptively started issuing new unrestricted LTC's to previous restricted carriers
I applied for my out of state LTC, having just moved to NH and still having valid MA LTC. Took 6 months to get an appointment, got approved on the spot. 6 months later I still haven't received it in the mail so I called the lady. "Oh yeah it's right here on my desk, I will get it out this week" LOL No joke, I will have to re-apply as soon as I get it in the mail. This video is literally what I went through. INSANE This video made me pee my pants a little how I lived this exact situation like 3x times.
Danvers, MA doesn’t even allow appointments to be scheduled at a residents request! They require you to monitor their website calendar daily to identify the day/time of the month they’ll allow ppl to come in between 9-4pm (first avail date posted after 8/22 was 10/26 then 11/3 with no future dates as of this post). BUT, if one takes off work to try to get an appointment, one would need to be the first limited few on the signup sheet to reserve a time on said licensing day (posted 15min before 9am that licensing day). Then, you get a call from them to come in for your appointment. Could potentially be a different time than you reserved and if your 15 mins late, better luck next month to repeat this process. Btw - 3 forms of ID w/ 1 indicating lawful presence in that town.also, all lawful purposes as your reason for the lic = an immediate disqualified. “Shall not be infringed..”? Not in Danvers…
curious why don't people do this? I have no idea the process but it's a clear civil right violation so what the heck is going on? I genuinely am confused.
Seems pretty accurate to me now that you mention it. My pay has plummeted since I got my LTC. Taxes were higher as an armed guard for me also. I was like wait a sec if my taxes are higher my pay should be higher. My $22 an hour job had less taxes taken out than my $20 an hour armed job. Explain that nonsense. Its discriminatory and nobody cares or sees it. I do its wrong and should not be legal.
I am a usmc infantry vet and I had to wait until 25 to get my license to be a unrestricted license. Because only after you turn 25 they will trust you to be unrestricted regardless my background on firearms.
Tbh thats good. Most places are not this way although I do like the rule 25 seems way better. I waited until 30 almost before I ever got mine. For me it was a personal choice. I didnt need it at the time had other life goals. Also the last 5-6 years has been kinda crazy.
Haha exactly a trained killer and fighter. Still no respect with clean record and military ID weird. Never heard of a town that did not allow military officals younger than 18 get their LTC. So weird. @@EJxSB
24 years old at the time, living in somerville started the process in february and had my license by june with restrictions to target and hunting, 5 years later living in waltham i renewed and had no restrictions
Just got my LTC in Mass. It was pretty straightforward. Took a 3 hour class plus a 2 hour live fire session to get my 'Basic Firearms Training' certificate. Applied w/ my local PD and paid the $100. My appointment consisted of going over my application and digitizing it for the state website with one of the officers, not the chief. Got my license in the mail about 6 weeks later. All in it took less than 3 months. Easy peasy.
Sir, that isn't easy at all. Easy is walking in the store, picking out a firearm, completing the NICS, and walking out with your firearm. The people of Massachusetts, Illinois, California, and numerous other states are used to being subservient to the state. I moved to Massachusetts for work, brought my legally purchased and owned items with me and moved out of Massachusetts as soon as possible because I'm not asking permission to have my property. F*** MA.
@@RellyMedia The interview was primarily entering the info from my paper application to the state's website. Plus the usual casual banter. The local PD officer was totally cool w/ processing the application. I wasn't really much of an interview.
Wow. When I was 12 I bought my first Shotgun in San Antonio TX. This was 2004, there abouts. Dude, your post is NOT the flex you think it is. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My wife is a native Masshole, and all 3 of my kids (now adults) were born in the Commonwealth. After we got married, I lived there in Central MA for 15 years. We left and moved to America in 2007 when it wasn’t even quite as bad as it is today. Just got tired of the nanny state BS, and when Deval was elected, that was the final straw for us. Haven’t looked back. Delta is ready when we want to come visit or see a Sox or Pats game. Couldn’t pay us to live there now.
The tax system actually has gotten worse in my experience. Same taxes paid out if you make $43k vs if you make $24k. I get why they do this, but if they dont keep the minimum wage to equate $24-25 an hour X 36-40 a week it wont matter for anyones future financially. State taxes or federal taxes. Oh yeah and housing and food went up as well as healthcare. YaY more bills and less money in da bank whew never have I felt better haha.
@@babylonisfallen4411 ya there is hope because of the bruen case they cannot deny you unless you disqualify because of a felony or mental adjudication. If there is not history of that they will approve you
And this is why I plan on moving out of MA. That and the rent prices are a little too crazy around where I live. $2000 a month for a 1 bedroom bottom floor apartment? hell no.
I mean its not really the easy way out though. Most states do not charge nearly as much for stuff as Massachusetts does. There really isnt that many perks here like you think. All these state taxes and most people still cant afford rent, food, healthcare, yet alone a car with car insurance. Still out here trying to pay people minimum wage even with 15-16 years of proven work history. Its just disgusting. Its sick and selfish greedy Mass at its finest. They over spent money now they charge the people becuase they spent money. Explain how that works… Explain how $43k should be in the 12% tax bracket with a standard deduction of $13k but your charged $15-16k that doesnt make any sense whatsoever. I should be getting money back every year. Not being charged more and more and more. How is this even possible? State just dont even make sense… I know how its called stealing from state residents. The state realized they took too much from me and sent me multiple checks back in the last few years. These accountants are really something!!!! Point is people will leave if they cant get it together. Always changing policies to benefit themselves. @@CapeGunWorks
I'm about to go and turn in my application to Gardner PD and I'm not sure what else I could say besides personal self defense in and out of the house. I'm a food courier for doordash and instacart in multiple towns including lowell and boston. Shit goes down around there and I have to go to atm's often myself to deposit my cash earnings when I get them. I had an experience where a dude pulled a box cutter on me near an atm years ago while I was working. We both ran to my car and luckily I got in, locked the door and sped off before anything else happened.
you forgot the part where they lay off all of the trainers so you cant even get your certificate in the first place because theres no one left to train you.
this looks like it was done Pre-Bruen where Mass became a Shall Issue state instead of being the May Issue state it had been for years. On my application I put "For all lawful and legal purposes" for an unrestricted license, since Post-Bruen, it cannot be restricted due to a lack of justificatiton. Just keep your eyes on New York tho, if they get the end around to hold up their appeals and lawsuits, Massachusetts will not be far behind
When I was going through the application process in western Mass in I think May, 2021, the class that we were in actually instructed us to use "all lawful purpose" as reason for the LTC. Cities and towns really do vary. I received my approved LTC package in the mail 4 months later. Often head to the Cape to visit my brother. It's been a second home type area all of my life and I'm 59yrs...On my next trip to So. Dennis, I hope to visit your shop.
I mean self defense is a good reason imo. Yes I have been threatened before its 2023 not the 70s lol…. Like hello!!!! Yes its likely a possibility to be threatened in the future. Life is getting hard!!!!! No I do not wish to explain to you my life story. Yes my record is clean and yeah I do not wish to wait on police in case some crazy person with a gun comes after me or the people in my community. I mean any good man and police officer would understand this tbh. That guy at the mall shot the shooter with his concealed carry and saved what could of been hundreds of lives arguably. Where was the police at? He def saved himself. He could have died. Never want to talk about that though. The school shooting in texas kids never were protected by police. Maybe if the teacher had guns those innocent lives could have gone home to their families. Ugh so sad makes me mad thinking about these jerks who hurt kids.
@@MattyIcedYoMomma22xxx this is why I love Utah. No need for any license anymore. the 2A is your license. That goes for teachers as well and is lawful for them to carry in school if they want to. The more good guys with guns the less damage a bad guy with a gun can do.
I am sorry for you buddy. Ma. gun laws suck. One step away from communism. I live in TN, I own a rifle, Shotgun, and three handguns. I also carry. I do not have any permits what so ever and I AM LEGAL.
My brother is police and military most cops are pro gun and want other states to be pro gun as well. I was shocked youd think theyd want less people to have guns in their field of work. They think that because they see the crime and corruption that goes on that everyday people do not see. They just cant talk about it. So stupid how our country is ran by children tbh.
Taxes are tough on a lot of people here. They're going to have to try harder to keep people living here. Education and transportation perks do not seem to be helping. Need to keep people working and making enough to pay for all these basic things. Hell with fixing stuff anymore we need workers and human bodies to stick around. Experience and education should not even matter at this point. I really hope 2024 makes people see a lot of the problems. Ugh so sad seeing people struggle. I wish I could do more for myself and for others. Sad once others have more they dont throw it back to others they just keep it for themselves. Thats not how were supposed to live life. Its why greed and inflation truly exists. Going on luxury vacations when friends cant even afford food rent and health care. Well sucks for them I guess. Yeah cause thats how its supposed to be . WRONG
A friend and I applied for our LTC back in 1987 in Framingham, I belonged to a gun club at the time and had been shooting guns for a long time, started off with the Boy Scouts, my friend never shot a gun in his life, I was refused my LTC and got Target only, he got his LTC! I wonder if the fact that his Dad owned the breakfast place across the street from the PD had anything to do with him getting his…(he didn’t work there) LOL
I could joke and say the easiest way to buy a gun in Massachusetts is to drive to New Hampshire..However actual practice is not really infringing if you are a law abiding citizen. Yes I shouldn't have to wait 6 months and sit for about an hour being interviewed by my Chief of Police, however he was more than reasonable and it went very smoothly. The first thing I handed him when I sat down was the receipt for my safe and told him I took safe storage storage of firearms seriously. He looked me in the eye and said "If everyone was as responsible as you I'd have a lot less work to do". That was 15 years ago and licenses are now shall issue and usually automatically upgraded to unrestricted if you didn't apply for an unrestricted.Is requiring a license an infringement? Yes, but Massachusetts has the lowest per capita rate of unintentional firearm injuries so maybe the compromise is worth the infringement? As far as competency testing, why the issue with a class and live fire, we have to take a road test for a drivers license and guns are much less forgiving if you make a mistake.
I'm kinda in the same boat. A licensing process is beneficial as long as it's on a shall issue basis. I agree with having some barrier of entry for owning firearms but if the govt wants to put that in place, at least cover the classes and application fee. Why should I have to pay over $200 for YOU to approve or deny me a right that's free in most parts of the country? To me, a 4 hour class and a couple month waiting period to get a license is sufficient. Everything else is just the govt playing mommy and daddy. Why is a 16" 5.56 bullpup perfectly okay but a PSAK is some weapon of war? Most of these laws just don't make sense when you look at it from an educated gun owners perspective but people with 0 experience with firearms are the ones making the rules
It was very true in my exp... The system is so odd. I did not understand this sequence either. I went and got my certification and then they were like nope need live fire now... I was like great another $100.00 YAYYYY. Then I got the live fire and same thing happened back and forth to the Police Station to see the person in charge. Then it was this whole thing where like you had to wait and come back to pick it up idk weird to me. They probably should ensure live fire though because that means no excuses you shoot the gun in front of a trained professional and instructor and if you do not like guns you can leave. Best way to get trained knowledge and certified experience on firearms if you have never been taught or brought up on guns growing up.
Hmmm. Nothing here about Boston losing the application. That's another tried & true delaying tactic. I lived in Orleans in the '60s and '70s. Before the GCA we could get mail-order guns from Sears. But the retail places were few and far between even then. There was Goose Hummock on the town cove, and I remember one near the rotary in Hyannis. When the big malls appeared in Hyannis, there was a Woolworth which had some surplus SMLEs and such, and Italian copies of Colt percussion revolvers. There was an unfinished furniture place on Rt 28 which also had a few surplus items. I still have a Martini-Henry, a Lee-Metford, and a couple of Arisakas I bought there. In maybe the '80s there was a bait & tackle shop near the Orleans town center, and he had a few guns. All in all, not much for retail shopping. There might have been more in the Falmouth-Sagamore region, but I didn't get that far west very often. This must all have been long before there was a Cape Cod Gunworks. I don't think even the Eastham police had anyone quite like that secretary.
You should try this in N.Y. I'd explain it all but it's faster for you to go look it up. We have to write a letter to the federal judge explaining why you should be privileged enough to just get a pistol permit, forget the carry license, that's after you get the approval letter for the judge providing you didn't say something stupid and blow your chance. That takes 6 to 9 mos, now your ready to apply for your carry license. Another 4 to 6 mos of more in depth background checks just in case you slapped your high school girlfriend back in 1984. But it's up to the judge on weather or not you get a restricted license or unrestricted, thank God I've had mine since 1988 cause it's exhausting.
Thats absurd. Yet people are still going to do it. Need a seperate judge just to handle these reports it seems. In Boston it took me two years just to get a court date for speeding. I was waiting forever to get a court date. The reasoning was covid and construction delays in the towns court room. How ridiculous!
Just about the same for me. Put my application in on March just called for my license update I'm approved it's in printing. Should have it in a few weeks. 10 months
It’s odd that you guys in mass have a harder time getting a permit than us in CT. In CT they approved me in 3 days. They didn’t question me. Just gave it to me after I paid.
This was a great video, but not in the least bit funny, because that's how it is in MA. Such a shame. SMH You should share a video on the "proper" answers to give for the purpose of increasing one's chances of getting their LTC. 👍
Can anyone have a shotgun without a license? Arent they easier to own than handguns and rifles??i jave no idea,can some one clear this up for me...in Mass
Not in MA. Our unconstitutional laws will go down in flames some day, but until then, we have to get an FID card for Shotguns and Rifles, and a License to carry for Pistols and Large capacity rifles.
Just the fact they make us do all of that is a reason to get a carry license. If everyone does it they'll make it easier just to avoid the paperwork. Even if they take some legal shortcuts
I hope you are right. I actually hope licensing goes down in flames like it should. No other right requires it, and it has been ruled unconstitutional in Murdock V Pennsylvania 1943
@@CapeGunWorks Come on, it's a very dangerous tool. At least we should have some training and background check before using one. We don't want epileptics operating cranes because they have the right to work, right? But definitely the process should be well presented and flow efficiently.
They don't ask anymore after the Bruen case. The licenses are now "shall issue" vs "may issue". I got my LTC a little over a year ago with 2 prior arrests they issued me a unrestricted license so hurry up before it's too late!
MA gov email: As international student, you can still apply for LTC for sports as resident-alien even without a green card. Course provider: You have to be green card holder to take gun safety class. Me: What? I can apply for LTC after class without my green card. However, the course provider requires me green card to take class. As a result, I can have LTC by law but I can't really have it. XD
HAHAHA Sorry thats funny. Lol this is exactly the problem in MASS and in this country. They dont know why you cant and dont know why you can! Lmao The real question to them is why should you have it you do not deserve it. SO dumb.
NV is the same way for carry permit. Probably spent 15 hours and $250 just getting it. The live fire portion was such a joke that my buddy mag dumped the entire thing, including 3 reloads. Perfect score, because of course it would be at 7 fuckin yards. What a joke.
its not impossible... i have 5 (all legally and im 23) 1 no arrest record or mental admittances 2 take a live fire pistol course 3 fill out ltc application with local police department and 2-3 letters of recommendation 4 wait
Not to mention the inane approved "List" that you have to pick a firearm from..plus all the carry and storage requirements.Luckily I live in a small town that has a very pro 2A stance Chief and most of this bullshit is not required.
gun owners booming in MA since people have been waking up over the last few years. gun shops been making more money than they ever have selling arms. people are afraid of rights being taken away to the point of arming themselves but not actually doing the necessary things needed to prevent it.
Yeah, I'm in New Hampshire. I carry all the time without a "license". I had my LTC in Mass. Only lasts 1 year. For only upto 10 rounds. 🤣. Was unrestricted though. Now that I'm a State National, I see they are only for US citizens under parens patraie with no rights under 14th amendment. So I let it expire. I know what you may be thinking. But when you do the deep dives like I have and do, you have to choose to remain as a US (DC corp) citizen or should you repudiate it? That and voting as one. That's another hurdle. I should get my elector status instead. But anyway, complicated here. So I'll just continue my process to freedom so I can carry in all 50 states on my passport. Whatever I want. Forget 10 rounds. But not yet. I'm still in the system. Working on it. But takes time. You all are so right. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does not mean "LTC and by may issue". How do they get away with that? Look up parens patraie, and start the deep dives. They actually CAN do it. Because we are no longer under the constitution or We The People. Citizens are under the DC corp because we surrendered our rights. To get them back is a process. If I was still living in Mass, what would I do knowing what I know now? IDK. You can still get the LTC if can get as a national. I CAN still get as a citizen. But would pierce my status. So I guess I'm now "doing penance". At least I can still carry in my "now" home state while I work toward my freedom. But that's what it is. They get you under parens patraie. Of course they won't tell you that. See, we are subjects to the DC and state corps. We are legal slaves of the matrix. No rights. Search it out and work toward your freedom. But, ah, better to wait till you renew your LTC since it last 5 years. Which is plenty of time to hold you for you to work on your process. My problem is it only lasts 1 year from out of state. Oh, so what is behind all this tyranny? Who are the puppet masters. You know the legislatures are puppets. They are suppose to be your public servants. If enough of us will wake up to this reality and start on our process, we can restore our republics and get our country back. But until then, well, the corporation is the "govt". Look up Clearfield vs US. It says if a govt seeks to incorporate, it must restrict itself to being a corp. Meaning they are pseudo govt and acting under the color of law. Codes and statutes are not law. The are legal fiction. And we drank the koolaid. I know. You have to look at it that way even though they tricked us all. You won't win otherwise. Sorry. How to learn about all this. I have a website. asnstudyguide.com/spaces/12377316/content. I have lots of other sources too. But I want to start it simple. Peace.
Very funny video. I actually am a non-resident and got my MA non-resident LTC. The process is a bit different but still a huge pain. Step 1) Class Step 2) Mail in application to FRB Step 3) Wait 2 months to get an appointment to visit the FRB in Chelsea, MA Step 4) Go to FRB in Chelsea, MA to "interview" (it isn't really an interview, just take your photo & fingerprints) Step 5) Wait...a long time Step 6) For me it was *8 months* until I finally got my unrestricted non-resident LTC. While it allows you to carry in MA it doesn't allow you to purchase anything in the state and it expires every year costing $100 to renew annually.
You have to be able to purchase in state. What good is having a license if you can't purchase a gun? I'm even trying to talk my wife into going into Cape Gun Works, since we'll be down there this weekend. 👍
@@CapeGunWorks Update as of HD 4420. If this passes my MA LTC will be cancelled because they are doing away with non-res LTC for those without a business need in the state. those mfers
Jesus. In Florida, my entire process literally was just ordering my handgun last week and picked it up in like 4 days after it arrived with just filling out an ATF form, walking out the door within 10minutes. No license or permits whatsoever
At the very least the class and the application process. Some towns do require live fire and in person interview before they finger print you. It all comes down to the chief in your town.
Chief, I noticed all your officers seem to be armed so if they feel threatened enough to carry with the full weight and respect of law maybe I should be strapped at all times.
I’m appalled if it’s actually like this you should sue them that goes strictly against the constitution of the second amendment PS I know this is satire but there are some validity to the way this is
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this is a really good video to illustrate the layers of infringement and the barriers that stand in the way in your situation, thank you for this one
Good? This is precisely how it happens and the layers of infringement are endless!
I’m in Boston. All LTC are being automatically converted to unrestricted. References are no longer required on the application. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
That is great news!
This is the automated reply you get when you contact the licensing department:
“Thank you for contacting the Boston Police Licensing Unit. Due to high demand we will not be responding to emails regarding LTC restriction changes. All LTC's are being changed automatically by the unit. Once we receive the new "unrestricted card" you will be contacted via phone, using the contact number on file. If you have questions regarding carrying your firearm before receiving your new card, we ask that you contact your attorney for legal advice. Thank you.”
@@xdnaranjox wtf deos this mean. i dont even know where to begin
Not so. I just picked up the license renewal form from my local CLEO and references are still on there.
@@tomswift3835 You can leave it blank. That's what Boston Police Licensing instructed me to do. References were part of the licensing scheme that was done away with after the Bruen case.
I’m in western MA and as honest as this video is it infuriates me how accurate it is. Especially considering the new tyrannical gun ban we are dealing with as of Feb 2024. So many leaders and politicians should be in prison for even proposing this madness.
really cause new SCOTUS ruling says massachusetts cannot place restrictions on LTC's anymore. boston, and springfield have already preemptively started issuing new unrestricted LTC's to previous restricted carriers
I applied for my out of state LTC, having just moved to NH and still having valid MA LTC. Took 6 months to get an appointment, got approved on the spot. 6 months later I still haven't received it in the mail so I called the lady. "Oh yeah it's right here on my desk, I will get it out this week" LOL No joke, I will have to re-apply as soon as I get it in the mail. This video is literally what I went through. INSANE This video made me pee my pants a little how I lived this exact situation like 3x times.
Yup! I hear the story often!
Never mind in some towns you need an appointment just to drop paperwork off
Good point
Danvers, MA doesn’t even allow appointments to be scheduled at a residents request! They require you to monitor their website calendar daily to identify the day/time of the month they’ll allow ppl to come in between 9-4pm (first avail date posted after 8/22 was 10/26 then 11/3 with no future dates as of this post). BUT, if one takes off work to try to get an appointment, one would need to be the first limited few on the signup sheet to reserve a time on said licensing day (posted 15min before 9am that licensing day).
Then, you get a call from them to come in for your appointment. Could potentially be a different time than you reserved and if your 15 mins late, better luck next month to repeat this process.
Btw - 3 forms of ID w/ 1 indicating lawful presence in that town.also, all lawful purposes as your reason for the lic = an immediate disqualified.
“Shall not be infringed..”? Not in Danvers…
@@btk7868what reason. I should put on Application
@@nowaytv4553 I wish some experts would answer this question.
wow this is hard to read and complete disgrace to we the people. The hoops you had to jump through ain't right. @@btk7868
Any and all lawful purpose, no? How about a lawsuit for violating my civil rights.
Exactly
curious why don't people do this? I have no idea the process but it's a clear civil right violation so what the heck is going on? I genuinely am confused.
@@vividvisions693Takes a lot of money to get it done on the right side of the glass…
Yeah I heard in that state law abiding gun owners and prospects are treated like third class citizens.
Seems pretty accurate to me now that you mention it. My pay has plummeted since I got my LTC. Taxes were higher as an armed guard for me also. I was like wait a sec if my taxes are higher my pay should be higher. My $22 an hour job had less taxes taken out than my $20 an hour armed job. Explain that nonsense. Its discriminatory and nobody cares or sees it. I do its wrong and should not be legal.
Nobody has been worse than the city of Lowell.....Former chief required applicants to write an essay on why they want it.
Billerica is relatively easy. Nothing special is required and the process is fast.
Really I live in Lowell and didn’t know that, wow that sucks
Just move barely north. I left Billerica for Pelham. $10 and fill out an application and you get a pistol permit you don't even need
This is actually such a good vide so basic and entertaining but getting all the info in
I am a usmc infantry vet and I had to wait until 25 to get my license to be a unrestricted license. Because only after you turn 25 they will trust you to be unrestricted regardless my background on firearms.
😅Quincy?
but you were able to go overseas and kill at 18
@@Kenneth36296I’m getting mine in Quincy too
Tbh thats good. Most places are not this way although I do like the rule 25 seems way better. I waited until 30 almost before I ever got mine. For me it was a personal choice. I didnt need it at the time had other life goals. Also the last 5-6 years has been kinda crazy.
Haha exactly a trained killer and fighter. Still no respect with clean record and military ID weird. Never heard of a town that did not allow military officals younger than 18 get their LTC. So weird. @@EJxSB
24 years old at the time, living in somerville started the process in february and had my license by june with restrictions to target and hunting, 5 years later living in waltham i renewed and had no restrictions
Ya all depends on who the chief is
Just got my LTC in Mass. It was pretty straightforward. Took a 3 hour class plus a 2 hour live fire session to get my 'Basic Firearms Training' certificate. Applied w/ my local PD and paid the $100. My appointment consisted of going over my application and digitizing it for the state website with one of the officers, not the chief. Got my license in the mail about 6 weeks later. All in it took less than 3 months. Easy peasy.
Sir, that isn't easy at all. Easy is walking in the store, picking out a firearm, completing the NICS, and walking out with your firearm. The people of Massachusetts, Illinois, California, and numerous other states are used to being subservient to the state. I moved to Massachusetts for work, brought my legally purchased and owned items with me and moved out of Massachusetts as soon as possible because I'm not asking permission to have my property. F*** MA.
Lucky you that it went so quick, I waited 9 months in a small town in Western Mass. Even 3 months is still much too long
No interview?
@@RellyMedia The interview was primarily entering the info from my paper application to the state's website. Plus the usual casual banter. The local PD officer was totally cool w/ processing the application. I wasn't really much of an interview.
Wow. When I was 12 I bought my first Shotgun in San Antonio TX. This was 2004, there abouts.
Dude, your post is NOT the flex you think it is. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice video. Love it. Thanks sir. I feel you because I live in MA too
ohhh the pain!
Makes me feel very safe!
My wife is a native Masshole, and all 3 of my kids (now adults) were born in the Commonwealth. After we got married, I lived there in Central MA for 15 years. We left and moved to America in 2007 when it wasn’t even quite as bad as it is today. Just got tired of the nanny state BS, and when Deval was elected, that was the final straw for us.
Haven’t looked back. Delta is ready when we want to come visit or see a Sox or Pats game. Couldn’t pay us to live there now.
Understand. Did U live on the cape?
@@CapeGunWorks Leominster
Congrats on your exodus. Color me jealous.👍
The tax system actually has gotten worse in my experience. Same taxes paid out if you make $43k vs if you make $24k. I get why they do this, but if they dont keep the minimum wage to equate $24-25 an hour X 36-40 a week it wont matter for anyones future financially. State taxes or federal taxes. Oh yeah and housing and food went up as well as healthcare. YaY more bills and less money in da bank whew never have I felt better haha.
Happened just like that to me in marlborough and I was a member of a gun range, had an FID card and serving in the military.
It’s a harsh process
We need to push for constitutional carry on this state now.
damn that's where I live too. guess there's no hope for me eh ?
@@babylonisfallen4411 ya there is hope because of the bruen case they cannot deny you unless you disqualify because of a felony or mental adjudication. If there is not history of that they will approve you
Did you need to do a fire training too for Marlborough or just standard gun safety ?
One of the reasons I left the state of my birth for Texas.
And this is why I plan on moving out of MA. That and the rent prices are a little too crazy around where I live. $2000 a month for a 1 bedroom bottom floor apartment? hell no.
Taking the easy way out is very tempting...
I mean its not really the easy way out though. Most states do not charge nearly as much for stuff as Massachusetts does. There really isnt that many perks here like you think. All these state taxes and most people still cant afford rent, food, healthcare, yet alone a car with car insurance. Still out here trying to pay people minimum wage even with 15-16 years of proven work history. Its just disgusting. Its sick and selfish greedy Mass at its finest. They over spent money now they charge the people becuase they spent money. Explain how that works… Explain how $43k should be in the 12% tax bracket with a standard deduction of $13k but your charged $15-16k that doesnt make any sense whatsoever. I should be getting money back every year. Not being charged more and more and more. How is this even possible? State just dont even make sense… I know how its called stealing from state residents. The state realized they took too much from me and sent me multiple checks back in the last few years. These accountants are really something!!!! Point is people will leave if they cant get it together. Always changing policies to benefit themselves. @@CapeGunWorks
I moved to SC. It's ridiculously easy here.
Accurate as hell lol!
They really try their hardest to stop us from using our rights and protecting ourselves in this state don't they 🤣
I'm about to go and turn in my application to Gardner PD and I'm not sure what else I could say besides personal self defense in and out of the house. I'm a food courier for doordash and instacart in multiple towns including lowell and boston. Shit goes down around there and I have to go to atm's often myself to deposit my cash earnings when I get them. I had an experience where a dude pulled a box cutter on me near an atm years ago while I was working. We both ran to my car and luckily I got in, locked the door and sped off before anything else happened.
I was told all lawful purposed and not to use self defense as a reason.
@@trige000well thats just foolish to not put self defense
This was the best video
Thanks
Nice video.
you forgot the part where they lay off all of the trainers so you cant even get your certificate in the first place because theres no one left to train you.
this looks like it was done Pre-Bruen where Mass became a Shall Issue state instead of being the May Issue state it had been for years. On my application I put "For all lawful and legal purposes" for an unrestricted license, since Post-Bruen, it cannot be restricted due to a lack of justificatiton. Just keep your eyes on New York tho, if they get the end around to hold up their appeals and lawsuits, Massachusetts will not be far behind
Living in india , and working to get a lisence for a bolt action rifle this looks like a piece of cake
Yea he ain't lying. Lol good video Bro
Thanks
This is great...So True!!!
spot on
Thanks
When I was going through the application process in western Mass in I think May, 2021, the class that we were in actually instructed us to use "all lawful purpose" as reason for the LTC. Cities and towns really do vary. I received my approved LTC package in the mail 4 months later. Often head to the Cape to visit my brother. It's been a second home type area all of my life and I'm 59yrs...On my next trip to So. Dennis, I hope to visit your shop.
Some chiefs are good and some are not.
I mean self defense is a good reason imo. Yes I have been threatened before its 2023 not the 70s lol…. Like hello!!!! Yes its likely a possibility to be threatened in the future. Life is getting hard!!!!! No I do not wish to explain to you my life story. Yes my record is clean and yeah I do not wish to wait on police in case some crazy person with a gun comes after me or the people in my community. I mean any good man and police officer would understand this tbh. That guy at the mall shot the shooter with his concealed carry and saved what could of been hundreds of lives arguably. Where was the police at? He def saved himself. He could have died. Never want to talk about that though. The school shooting in texas kids never were protected by police. Maybe if the teacher had guns those innocent lives could have gone home to their families. Ugh so sad makes me mad thinking about these jerks who hurt kids.
@@MattyIcedYoMomma22xxx this is why I love Utah. No need for any license anymore. the 2A is your license. That goes for teachers as well and is lawful for them to carry in school if they want to. The more good guys with guns the less damage a bad guy with a gun can do.
Wow thats crazy idk if i am happy or mad. Lmao@@jbrown7441
I am sorry for you buddy. Ma. gun laws suck. One step away from communism. I live in TN, I own a rifle, Shotgun, and three handguns. I also carry. I do not have any permits what so ever and I AM LEGAL.
Yep. That is about how it goes. Lucky our Police Chief wasn’t that strict.
My brother is police and military most cops are pro gun and want other states to be pro gun as well. I was shocked youd think theyd want less people to have guns in their field of work. They think that because they see the crime and corruption that goes on that everyday people do not see. They just cant talk about it. So stupid how our country is ran by children tbh.
That’s an easy answer move to New Hampshire…please do not MASS up NH
Sounds like Brazil, the difference, the office can say "if needs protection, call police" or jus deny without explanations.
Are we going to get an update video? Sense The process has changed.
The only thing that changed is “may issue” turned to “shall issue” they can still request and interview and live fire and etc.
It's awesome.
Thanks
I'd leave that state in 10% of the wait time for that damn appointment.
Taxes are tough on a lot of people here. They're going to have to try harder to keep people living here. Education and transportation perks do not seem to be helping. Need to keep people working and making enough to pay for all these basic things. Hell with fixing stuff anymore we need workers and human bodies to stick around. Experience and education should not even matter at this point. I really hope 2024 makes people see a lot of the problems. Ugh so sad seeing people struggle. I wish I could do more for myself and for others. Sad once others have more they dont throw it back to others they just keep it for themselves. Thats not how were supposed to live life. Its why greed and inflation truly exists. Going on luxury vacations when friends cant even afford food rent and health care. Well sucks for them I guess. Yeah cause thats how its supposed to be . WRONG
Yeah not all of us can just leave our families behind and everything so that we can have a gun we want
I am so glad Maine and New Hampshire aren't like this.
You missed one part. After the finger prints, you have to take a shooting test.
Thats what the safety course and live fire test was about lol
A friend and I applied for our LTC back in 1987 in Framingham, I belonged to a gun club at the time and had been shooting guns for a long time, started off with the Boy Scouts, my friend never shot a gun in his life, I was refused my LTC and got Target only, he got his LTC!
I wonder if the fact that his Dad owned the breakfast place across the street from the PD had anything to do with him getting his…(he didn’t work there) LOL
I could joke and say the easiest way to buy a gun in Massachusetts is to drive to New Hampshire..However actual practice is not really infringing if you are a law abiding citizen. Yes I shouldn't have to wait 6 months and sit for about an hour being interviewed by my Chief of Police, however he was more than reasonable and it went very smoothly. The first thing I handed him when I sat down was the receipt for my safe and told him I took safe storage storage of firearms seriously. He looked me in the eye and said "If everyone was as responsible as you I'd have a lot less work to do". That was 15 years ago and licenses are now shall issue and usually automatically upgraded to unrestricted if you didn't apply for an unrestricted.Is requiring a license an infringement? Yes, but Massachusetts has the lowest per capita rate of unintentional firearm injuries so maybe the compromise is worth the infringement? As far as competency testing, why the issue with a class and live fire, we have to take a road test for a drivers license and guns are much less forgiving if you make a mistake.
I'm kinda in the same boat. A licensing process is beneficial as long as it's on a shall issue basis. I agree with having some barrier of entry for owning firearms but if the govt wants to put that in place, at least cover the classes and application fee. Why should I have to pay over $200 for YOU to approve or deny me a right that's free in most parts of the country? To me, a 4 hour class and a couple month waiting period to get a license is sufficient. Everything else is just the govt playing mommy and daddy. Why is a 16" 5.56 bullpup perfectly okay but a PSAK is some weapon of war? Most of these laws just don't make sense when you look at it from an educated gun owners perspective but people with 0 experience with firearms are the ones making the rules
It was very true in my exp... The system is so odd. I did not understand this sequence either. I went and got my certification and then they were like nope need live fire now... I was like great another $100.00 YAYYYY. Then I got the live fire and same thing happened back and forth to the Police Station to see the person in charge. Then it was this whole thing where like you had to wait and come back to pick it up idk weird to me. They probably should ensure live fire though because that means no excuses you shoot the gun in front of a trained professional and instructor and if you do not like guns you can leave. Best way to get trained knowledge and certified experience on firearms if you have never been taught or brought up on guns growing up.
NY state now arresting you for doing the live fire part because you don't have a license yet
Un-real someone is begging for another lawsuit
Hmmm. Nothing here about Boston losing the application. That's another tried & true delaying tactic.
I lived in Orleans in the '60s and '70s. Before the GCA we could get mail-order guns from Sears. But the retail places were few and far between even then. There was Goose Hummock on the town cove, and I remember one near the rotary in Hyannis. When the big malls appeared in Hyannis, there was a Woolworth which had some surplus SMLEs and such, and Italian copies of Colt percussion revolvers. There was an unfinished furniture place on Rt 28 which also had a few surplus items. I still have a Martini-Henry, a Lee-Metford, and a couple of Arisakas I bought there. In maybe the '80s there was a bait & tackle shop near the Orleans town center, and he had a few guns. All in all, not much for retail shopping. There might have been more in the Falmouth-Sagamore region, but I didn't get that far west very often. This must all have been long before there was a Cape Cod Gunworks. I don't think even the Eastham police had anyone quite like that secretary.
Oh man good point we needed to add that.
Red top too
I think you nailed that secretary perfectly I don't know why but they all have a 5 o'clock shadow. 😆 🤪 🤣
Interesting 🤔
I'll give you a hint: Democrats
You should try this in N.Y. I'd explain it all but it's faster for you to go look it up. We have to write a letter to the federal judge explaining why you should be privileged enough to just get a pistol permit, forget the carry license, that's after you get the approval letter for the judge providing you didn't say something stupid and blow your chance. That takes 6 to 9 mos, now your ready to apply for your carry license. Another 4 to 6 mos of more in depth background checks just in case you slapped your high school girlfriend back in 1984. But it's up to the judge on weather or not you get a restricted license or unrestricted, thank God I've had mine since 1988 cause it's exhausting.
Yikes
Thats absurd. Yet people are still going to do it. Need a seperate judge just to handle these reports it seems. In Boston it took me two years just to get a court date for speeding. I was waiting forever to get a court date. The reasoning was covid and construction delays in the towns court room. How ridiculous!
Yea takes about a year I live in Springfield mass😂
Y do I need a gun the same way I need insurance
So personal protection inside and outside my home isn’t enough for a unrestricted?
It’s enough, but it comes down to what town you are in and how the chief rules in that town.
You make it look so easy!!! Lol
Cause it is…
hey so if i have my certificate, i need another certificate for a live-fire course?
Only some towns require live fire
@@CapeGunWorks im omw right this moment to get fingerprinted. just asking, and im getting a lot of "boston does not require"
im from pittsfield and i didnt have to do live shooting
Took my live fire class in July didn’t get an appointment with the PD until January received the license from the PD in JULY!!!
Ouch
Just about the same for me. Put my application in on March just called for my license update I'm approved it's in printing. Should have it in a few weeks. 10 months
Greetings, I submitted my application on 10/30/2023, how long can it take? And if I have a clean record, is there a possibility of being approved?
Depends on your town/city but you’re probably looking at 2-4 months. No joke
If I don't have any criminal record, waht chances i have to be approved?
@@luis69912very high
thats crazy the secretary was sitting at the chiefs desk and they must be related
No relation
How long is the process after receiving your receipt in the mail?
Depends on the town but usually 1-3 months.
My initial application in Mass took about 6 months, the renewal about 3 wks.
Whatever that means
Plymouth
this is exactly what happened to me for real. except I didn't get my LTC, I was denied without reason.
Did you know that in Maine you don't even need a license to buy a gun
"The way life should be"...
@@CapeGunWorks Yes indeed. Shall Not Be INFRINGED
Shall not be infringed
Now what about if you had a felony but it has been 9 years do they still let you get it?
I'd cross my fingers, but wouldn't hold my breath. JS.
It’s odd that you guys in mass have a harder time getting a permit than us in CT. In CT they approved me in 3 days. They didn’t question me. Just gave it to me after I paid.
What about a concealed weapon do you need a permit for that to ?
Yes, thats what an LTC is; License To Carry (concealed)
What if I live in New Hampshire on the border but want to be able to conceal carry into Massachusetts how would I go about getting a license?
you evr find out
You would need to submit a non-resident LTC application
I got my LTC, am I special and cool now?
What about buying process?
Ha ha next video
I left this state for the vary reason above along with the high taxes I had enough and said bye
Ya cape cod has a special allure
I did not need references.
I needed 2
i love this😂
This was a great video, but not in the least bit funny, because that's how it is in MA. Such a shame. SMH
You should share a video on the "proper" answers to give for the purpose of increasing one's chances of getting their LTC. 👍
No more restrictions in Mass
Can anyone have a shotgun without a license? Arent they easier to own than handguns and rifles??i jave no idea,can some one clear this up for me...in Mass
Not in MA. Our unconstitutional laws will go down in flames some day, but until then, we have to get an FID card for Shotguns and Rifles, and a License to carry for Pistols and Large capacity rifles.
Can you purchase a build your own pistol kit online without a license?
no lmao i did 18 months in jail for this at 18 because i thought it was legal... but a .22 hunting rifle
not to mention i had it in my home with no fingerprints on it because i never used it
@@EJxSB you purchased a pistol kit online and went to jail for 18 months? Surely you’ve omitted some details
What about a long gun
Ah, the "cheap" shot heard round the world.
Just the fact they make us do all of that is a reason to get a carry license. If everyone does it they'll make it easier just to avoid the paperwork. Even if they take some legal shortcuts
I hope you are right. I actually hope licensing goes down in flames like it should. No other right requires it, and it has been ruled unconstitutional in Murdock V Pennsylvania 1943
@@CapeGunWorksI'm cool with the licensing I just want the firearm mag restrictions and roster gone.
@@CapeGunWorks Come on, it's a very dangerous tool. At least we should have some training and background check before using one. We don't want epileptics operating cranes because they have the right to work, right?
But definitely the process should be well presented and flow efficiently.
💯
So when ask “ why do you want a LTC” what’s the best answer?
They don't ask anymore after the Bruen case. The licenses are now "shall issue" vs "may issue". I got my LTC a little over a year ago with 2 prior arrests they issued me a unrestricted license so hurry up before it's too late!
@@tedjerdee1028 thank you so much for this information 🙏🏼
MA gov email: As international student, you can still apply for LTC for sports as resident-alien even without a green card.
Course provider: You have to be green card holder to take gun safety class.
Me: What? I can apply for LTC after class without my green card. However, the course provider requires me green card to take class. As a result, I can have LTC by law but I can't really have it. XD
HAHAHA Sorry thats funny. Lol this is exactly the problem in MASS and in this country. They dont know why you cant and dont know why you can! Lmao
The real question to them is why should you have it you do not deserve it. SO dumb.
Any news on this?
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Sweet
NV is the same way for carry permit. Probably spent 15 hours and $250 just getting it. The live fire portion was such a joke that my buddy mag dumped the entire thing, including 3 reloads. Perfect score, because of course it would be at 7 fuckin yards. What a joke.
its not impossible... i have 5 (all legally and im 23)
1 no arrest record or mental admittances
2 take a live fire pistol course
3 fill out ltc application with local police department and 2-3 letters of recommendation
4 wait
Nooo not the hunting license
Like the the Town Clerk tells me when I bitch about paying excise tax on a 48 year old motorcycle......"That's Massachusetts!!"
So what is the correct thing to say? I am going to take a class and apply. I was going to say exactly what you said.
correct for any lawful purpose. Although in a post Bruen world, they can't technically ask you WHY you want to exercise your RKBA.
Imma just cal Juan.
I got my ltc suspended due to false information I need help
Contact Keith Langer or Jason Guida. You can search the internet their websites come right up. You can also reach out to goal.org
Is this real…how the fuck have we gotten to this point?!?!?
Slightly better than when we shot this...ill do an update soon.
@@CapeGunWorks hats off to you sir for being able to survive this state...you are a Patriot good sir
Stop voting for liberal lunatics who want to strip all law abiding citizens of their rights and give them to illegals.
Not to mention the inane approved "List" that you have to pick a firearm from..plus all the carry and storage requirements.Luckily I live in a small town that has a very pro 2A stance Chief and most of this bullshit is not required.
Video on that coming soon!
How do you even stay in business with such blatant violations going on?
Almost a million gun owners in MA, and growing, the laws won't stop us from being armed.
gun owners booming in MA since people have been waking up over the last few years. gun shops been making more money than they ever have selling arms. people are afraid of rights being taken away to the point of arming themselves but not actually doing the necessary things needed to prevent it.
That is bs they won't sell you a gun unless you have a license to carry I like the background check better
Yeah, I'm in New Hampshire. I carry all the time without a "license". I had my LTC in Mass. Only lasts 1 year. For only upto 10 rounds. 🤣. Was unrestricted though. Now that I'm a State National, I see they are only for US citizens under parens patraie with no rights under 14th amendment. So I let it expire. I know what you may be thinking. But when you do the deep dives like I have and do, you have to choose to remain as a US (DC corp) citizen or should you repudiate it? That and voting as one. That's another hurdle. I should get my elector status instead. But anyway, complicated here. So I'll just continue my process to freedom so I can carry in all 50 states on my passport. Whatever I want. Forget 10 rounds. But not yet. I'm still in the system. Working on it. But takes time.
You all are so right. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does not mean "LTC and by may issue". How do they get away with that? Look up parens patraie, and start the deep dives. They actually CAN do it. Because we are no longer under the constitution or We The People. Citizens are under the DC corp because we surrendered our rights. To get them back is a process.
If I was still living in Mass, what would I do knowing what I know now? IDK. You can still get the LTC if can get as a national. I CAN still get as a citizen. But would pierce my status. So I guess I'm now "doing penance". At least I can still carry in my "now" home state while I work toward my freedom.
But that's what it is. They get you under parens patraie. Of course they won't tell you that. See, we are subjects to the DC and state corps. We are legal slaves of the matrix. No rights. Search it out and work toward your freedom. But, ah, better to wait till you renew your LTC since it last 5 years. Which is plenty of time to hold you for you to work on your process. My problem is it only lasts 1 year from out of state.
Oh, so what is behind all this tyranny? Who are the puppet masters. You know the legislatures are puppets. They are suppose to be your public servants. If enough of us will wake up to this reality and start on our process, we can restore our republics and get our country back. But until then, well, the corporation is the "govt". Look up Clearfield vs US. It says if a govt seeks to incorporate, it must restrict itself to being a corp. Meaning they are pseudo govt and acting under the color of law. Codes and statutes are not law. The are legal fiction. And we drank the koolaid. I know. You have to look at it that way even though they tricked us all. You won't win otherwise. Sorry.
How to learn about all this. I have a website. asnstudyguide.com/spaces/12377316/content. I have lots of other sources too. But I want to start it simple. Peace.
I love mass but this is one thing I'm gonna hate about this state
good lord its a pain in the butt
This infuriated me
God bless TX😂❤
To be honest you gotta do mad extra just to protect your family it’s actually some bull shit
Very funny video. I actually am a non-resident and got my MA non-resident LTC. The process is a bit different but still a huge pain.
Step 1) Class
Step 2) Mail in application to FRB
Step 3) Wait 2 months to get an appointment to visit the FRB in Chelsea, MA
Step 4) Go to FRB in Chelsea, MA to "interview" (it isn't really an interview, just take your photo & fingerprints)
Step 5) Wait...a long time
Step 6) For me it was *8 months* until I finally got my unrestricted non-resident LTC.
While it allows you to carry in MA it doesn't allow you to purchase anything in the state and it expires every year costing $100 to renew annually.
Wow what a nightmare. And in mean time hope that nothing happens where you would need to defend yourself
You have to be able to purchase in state. What good is having a license if you can't purchase a gun? I'm even trying to talk my wife into going into Cape Gun Works, since we'll be down there this weekend. 👍
@@CapeGunWorks Update as of HD 4420. If this passes my MA LTC will be cancelled because they are doing away with non-res LTC for those without a business need in the state. those mfers
Jesus. In Florida, my entire process literally was just ordering my handgun last week and picked it up in like 4 days after it arrived with just filling out an ATF form, walking out the door within 10minutes. No license or permits whatsoever
Is this really what I'm in for? 😳 Just moved here from AZ ...
At the very least the class and the application process. Some towns do require live fire and in person interview before they finger print you. It all comes down to the chief in your town.
@@CapeGunWorks Thanks for the heads up! I'm making my way to Plymouth, or nearby.
@@k1ngkoo0pa well we are close to Plymouth so come say hi
You should have purchased your guns in AZ before moving
Chief, I noticed all your officers seem to be armed so if they feel threatened enough to carry with the full weight and respect of law maybe I should be strapped at all times.
Harsh Reality😂😂😂😂
I’m appalled if it’s actually like this you should sue them that goes strictly against the constitution of the second amendment PS I know this is satire but there are some validity to the way this is