This is so weird. I pulled this exact same move against Protoss today, and all their units just got stuck in the middle. I don't think any of them died..
Timestamps: Bunny vs Solar - 7:36 (With bonus conversation about iNcontroL) Dark vs ByuN - 1:18:49 Winner's Match - 1:59:09 Loser's Match - 2:57:53 Final Match - 3:35:00
Part of his wrist issues is really in his mental game. It shows up the most when he's playing out of his mind in offline events. But when he's at home and relaxed, he's an absolute beast. That's a possible theory why ByuN keeps winning a lot of the online tournaments.
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In the last match, those reapers actually are the reason the marines won so hard. 3 tranfuses were used on the hatch. 1 at the start and 2 more when the marines first stimmed, because dark thought byun was gonna target down the hatch. Arguably a huge misread and the reason he lost the fight so hard.
Also in the game after that the 3 Reapers killed 4 tumors so that's 2 less transfuses, with that on top of not seeing the moveout & the supply block, it was the perfect storm. ByuN is so good with his Reapers!
yea lets talk about how good byun is when he looked so dumb in the first series against dark and ignore the fact that the game is perfectly balanced now
2:21:00 I love how they're like "let's see Dark's reaction when he see's the barracks!" and Dark is just like :| ...he's the most unflappable SC2 player XD
Don’t worry. There will still be some terrans complaining about terran being underwhelming, zerg being the a-move race and Protoss being OP. It’s like gravity. A rule of nature.
@@Figgy20000 Valk bug fix has been huge for TvZ, and there's only one Snow to be really scary PvT. I'm hoping to see other Protoss learn from Snow and make it much deeper as a result. I think Rain's midgame dragoon attacks are what to emulate PvZ. I don't really know what to suggest ZvT, maybe you skip muta and try lurker into ultra? Like crazy Zerg but lurkers instead of mutas so you don't get rekt by valk pushes. Although then you need a few hydra or spores or something to save overlords... Tough. So far main strat seems to be going Spire anyway and hoping to just out micro the valks with muta/scourge. I'm skeptical. GSL we don't seem to have super dominant Protoss right now and TvZ looks fairly T sided with the ability for Terran to just win early (hard to punish early CC) mid (standard pushes) or late (turtle exhaust play). In contrast all I really see winning ZvT is either special tactics (like Nydus) or mass baneling with a sufficient eco advantage to roll through everything. We did have a nice game or two from Dark with ranged ground units supported by spells & abilities (fungal, blinding cloud, abduct, biles) that looked good, but I don't think we've seen too much of that more balanced style. Personally I think the way to go is mass ling/bane with spell support (possibly also some corrupters to fight medivac and puke on buildings). I've seen quite a few ZvT where they go mass bane and add on something silly, like 5 lurkers or 5 ultras which is ridiculous. Ling bane gives you a massive burst of production and then damage, it pairs perfectly with the burst effect of spells like blinding cloud and fungal and terribly with the sustained damage and area control of lurkers or ultras. I also think Z needs to go mass mass queen early on, queens are just too good at holding everything. I don't know what to do PvZ or PvT in SC2, I guess hero is the one to emulate PvZ, brawling with gateway units to stop the Zergs 4th (or was it 5th?). PvT I really don't know, maybe Storm needs to be your first big source of splash since disruptor & colossus seem to get disabled (and/or picked off). Or maybe you can fight the ravens with Blink Stalkers. I think we've been seeing charge before blink which seems wrong vs T. Who knows
Nerf toss again. They are way too powerful. Cooling tower move - this would obviously pose balance issues, but how cool would it be if the flying Terran buildings could squash units?
Better: Let Terrans build engineers, that can enter any building to capture/control it. Squash sounds good, especially command center squash into proxy planetary fortress in Protoss main.
remember when it was said: "mass spell casters are bad design". But ghost have solved the problem:" i am an allround unit, not a spellcaster. it is ok to build me in mass".
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Yeah, I've been referring to the Stateslist lol. Just to separate their names some. Funny what moving an S around will do. And yeah, that happened to me yesterday. Diamond 3 Zerg
Terran was always broken, it was just that the players couldn't take full advantage of this cheat race because they didn't know how to play it correctly. Plus all the nerfs to Zerg because of Serral.
Protoss was heavily nerfed in last two balance updates. The race relied heavily on shield battery but this was nerfed so much that it can't hold off two base terran anymore...
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Monster is already doing their part. They just funded TLMC18 so we can get new ladder maps and apparently there are strong rumors of another TLMC by year end, which implies that if they are the sponser for that one too then we could be about to see a change from annual ladder pool changes to less than a year between, which is crazy. Taken with a ginormous grain of salt of course
Bunny vs Solar : Match 1 7:37 Match 2 36:51 Match 3 55:35 Dark vs Byun : Match 1 1:18:50 Match 2 1:31:53 Winner match : Match 1 1:59:09 Match 2 2:19:28 Match 3 2:27:23 Loser match : Match 1 2:57:54 Match 2 3:05:43 Final match : Match 1 3:35:01 Match 2 3:47:35 Dark like he was on drug or something
@@jeepld creep vision nerf is the biggest nerf in this game in recent times. also queens not being able to transfuse off creep takes away queen walk rush, thus making the game less diverse in terms of strategy.
Terran imba confirmed. Honestly hate the state of TvZ right now. It is so demoralizing to lose a ton of games on ladder to "terran got 20 ghosts, literally can't win now" situation all the time, then go watch gsl, can't wait to see how these top players handle ghosts... Oh o they just autolose when there's a critical ghost mass as well. It just sucks so bad when you literally can't kill them because you have to drop thousands of minerals and gas into a swarm of overseers that just get deleted with a snipe volley and then the immortal cloaked ghosts just clean up everything. I would neef snipe damage to not 1shot overseers, or make it so detectors are unsnipeable or make it not able to target air or something to actually let zerg actually get to kill ghosts when they break through on top of them. Really sick of the tvz meta though of zerg having to just take such ridiculously inefficient trades all day and have to be multiple bases ahead to be able to overwhelm terran, but then you also have to overwhelm them before they get 20 ghosts because that is an auto lose... I would neef queens and give slight buffs to zerg units, maybe a +5hp to lings and banes upgrade or something. Make zerg forced to make more defense than just queens early so they grow slower, but have a better army when they do max out, rather than this meta where zergs max out comically easily but then get wrecked anyways because their units suck. maybe buff adept attack back to keep zvp fair as well, because right now IMO terran > zerg > toss. If anyone has a video of a top level tvz where the terran gets a high ghost count and doesn't just auto win let me know (barring some huge blunder where they throw their ghosts away). seems pretty imba to me...
If it were 4 zergs in the finals, they would be talking about all the ways zerg is OP. TERRAN IS OP. Also, some of the maps are too terran favored. Having said that, zerg MUST be better at flanking.
So many drama queens in the comments. People have been crying about balance since the beginning. Just because you like a player or a race doesn’t mean they have to win for the game to be fair. How the players actually play matters. These were great games. I can’t wait for the r04
I love State and Tastless, mad respect for all their game knowledge. They dont watch enough Dark matches to be aware that he is platinum level skill with Queen injecting mechanics. Dark keeps all his queens on a single hotkey and hardly injects when defending with them. When he lost all his queens, the casters thought how could he keep producing units without all the injects.... ha-ha... they failed to realize Dark hardly ever injects! His queens are 90% fighting units. This is one of the reasons he is prone to make macro hatches in his naturals, because he needs the extra larva from lack of injecting.
Just never replace tasteless - his musings are incredible. I forget if it was this round, but he compared GuMiho to the death star in that he is so powerful but has such an overt, clear weakness to his game / builds. That has had me chuckling for days.
If that style were easy (Terran Queenslayer), it might have someone whose name in real life isn't Byun playing it. Just like we don't see anyone imitating Hero. And how many times have Terrans heard "Just play like Maru".
By "everything" do you mean the 12-15 Marines that completely obliterated 7-8 Queens, Zerglings, and Roaches? Yeah, it looks like that the Queen is the broken unit here...
@@OnigoroshiZero it wasn’t 15 marines, and queens have never been designed to battle. Stop being greedy and BUILD LINGS. That’s what the build forces you to do. It’s EASILY HOLDAVLE, IF YOU BUILD FUCKING UNITS. Terran doesn’t want Zerg building drones at a pace they can’t keep up with. If you do build too many drones on this build you will take BIG DAMAGE
I'm only done with game 1 of Dark and Byun, but holy shit does Dark's play look dominant. He just walked up with those infestors and, like a bug's vengeance, swatted Byun down. Swept the game with basically 1o-15 seconds of assured and accurate control. I'm usually for Protoss, but I kinda like the idea of Dark winning a bunch this last year. Might as well considering the GSL Protoss prospects for the final year, uggh.
SPOLIER SPOILER : The reapers could of killed the hatchery, but for some reason the terran wanted to leave it alive. (PTSD from the last time he killed a hatchery before 6 minutes against the same zerg?) The turrets 100% worked out better because of the way the queens where positioned, but based off the entry point of the raven, and the fact that it stood idle before casting the 2 turrets, leaves me to believe that was not the intended strategy.
yeah felt like raven was there for anti armor missile, but queens were kinda spread over an arch so he went with turrets instead. Meanwhile Zerg can only make lings when other races have all those options.
as long as this game favours harrasment over proper macro, it will never be about skill. If you cant build a proper build intime, you can still easily win games by sheer volume of harrasment. The very foundation of RTS is building stuff, This game devolved into harrasment spam because its simply better. Doing high amounts of damage while your macro lags behind doesnt matter one bit. No matter how clean your build is. Proper macro isnt required in this game anymore.
Because they can't manage a profitable offline event. And from what I see they don't know how to successfully manage an online one either. so enjoy the possible last one.
Loss of sponsors. Lots of advertisers cutting back 30% or more - Part of why many companies are cutting employees (CNN, Disney,, Twitter, Goog, Facebook, etc.) Expect more of this, as analytics tell companies which ads bring customers, and which are vanity. Also SC2 has run 2010-2023 - long run for a video game, I was glad to see some new ads in GSL in 2023. Might help Hot6 to update their ad, and to export to these States. Lot of thirsty around.
I found it odd that tasteless thought byun had the least chance of escaping this group. He's been at top level for a few months now I think. Tho I'm surprised about Solar cuz he's really good too. This was a group of death
This patch is a balance issue. 2017-2022 balance favored Zerg, some styles by a lot. 2022 season 3 and 2023 IEM (World Championship) we were in the Maru patch, where we remain. Flipside all four Terrans here have amazing skills, so mad respect for the skills. Plus, a lot of top players 2017-2022 may have chosen Zerg or quit from other races because balance. It's been a long time since a patch favored Protoss at top level. In early 2022, when we were very close to true balance, Hero looked unbeatable, but the patchers didn't want Hero/Protoss.
If it was a skill issue, then Dark should have obliterated Bunny... But the fact is that he lost to him and Byun while easily being the better player. Also, 4 Terrans in the final 4 is a huge red flag of insane balance problems with this race.
@@Galahad54 how many pro Korean protoss’s and zergs are in military? Korea has ALWAYS had the strongest Terrans in the world. This is the first time in a long time TVP is even in a good place, or close to it, and the only way you’re going to get Protoss to do better is get them back from Military service or make a fundamental design change to Protoss to make it a skill race. Cope and seethe. Maru, Byun, Cure are the best players in the world. They aren’t winning because of balance. They are winning because they are GREAT.
Terran late game vs Zerg is IMBA, because ghosts. As a Zerg, I remember when Zergs had six IMBA talents:: super creep, super Nydus, super swarm host, infested Terran, chain spell casters, super Queens. I just ask for one rule change (it was in Starcraft TOS, so it has to be fair): Make hydralisks great again by costing one supply. :)
@@Galahad54 dude have you ever lost game to it? I didn’t think so. They are the only players on the world who can make this type of play look so strong because they are mechanically the BEST IN THE WORLD. I swear to god you people know NOTHING. No one in Diamond or Masters is sniping and perfectly splitting army and dividing their defenses and perfectly mirrroring armies. That’s exclusively a Korean Terran thing.
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Yo that cooling tower play removed 23 supply in one move... holy god.
what's the timestamp pls?
@@Kamilione 2:39:27
@@Kamilione 2:39:30
This is so weird. I pulled this exact same move against Protoss today, and all their units just got stuck in the middle. I don't think any of them died..
@@ramil8029 skill issue
Timestamps:
Bunny vs Solar - 7:36 (With bonus conversation about iNcontroL)
Dark vs ByuN - 1:18:49
Winner's Match - 1:59:09
Loser's Match - 2:57:53
Final Match - 3:35:00
Solar has the most important victory of all time, the Tasteless LAN Party! How can you forget to bring that up?!
Thanks for uploading the full vod and match 2, AfreecaTV
Byun's wrists not blowing up has been the best thing to happen to SC in years.
While I know he has wrist issues, I think its at least in part psychosomatic. He seems really confident lately and that positively affects his wrist.
Part of his wrist issues is really in his mental game. It shows up the most when he's playing out of his mind in offline events. But when he's at home and relaxed, he's an absolute beast.
That's a possible theory why ByuN keeps winning a lot of the online tournaments.
@@Roddiman what I have heard is that he has a special setup at home for his wrists
@@CeRockTV in a GSL interview he claimed he had a specialist tell him it is psychosomatic. Ever since he said that it's been a steady improvement.
I fully recognise that he's not in that "best" tier but byun is one of the terrains i enjoy watching the most.
2:39:29 the moment the destructible rock collapse mechanic was built for finally happened
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not enough terran into playoff
that collapsible silo hit....muah...chefs kiss
In the last match, those reapers actually are the reason the marines won so hard. 3 tranfuses were used on the hatch. 1 at the start and 2 more when the marines first stimmed, because dark thought byun was gonna target down the hatch. Arguably a huge misread and the reason he lost the fight so hard.
Also in the game after that the 3 Reapers killed 4 tumors so that's 2 less transfuses, with that on top of not seeing the moveout & the supply block, it was the perfect storm. ByuN is so good with his Reapers!
yea lets talk about how good byun is when he looked so dumb in the first series against dark and ignore the fact that the game is perfectly balanced now
2:39:30 bunny is the gamers gamer, he smiled when it happened.
2:21:00 I love how they're like "let's see Dark's reaction when he see's the barracks!" and Dark is just like :| ...he's the most unflappable SC2 player XD
he was completely unbothered lmao
Not only that, he just proceeded to absolutely stomp that strat. I guess we know why we don't see that more often...
Lmao
That strat was so cool, the way the overlord missed it by pixels was perfect
Don’t worry. There will still be some terrans complaining about terran being underwhelming, zerg being the a-move race and Protoss being OP. It’s like gravity. A rule of nature.
Just have to say. You are great State. Glad you are casting with Tasteless. And Tasteless, as always, you are still great. Good job both of you.
Finally after so many patches SC2 is perfectly balanced
Nah, seems like terran needs another buff. Maybe free scans from Cc?
@@AB-xo3pl 3 free nukes at the start of every game
Lets not forget Brood War is also perfectly balanced with Terrans winning everything there as well. TvT last 2 ASLs
@@Figgy20000 Valk bug fix has been huge for TvZ, and there's only one Snow to be really scary PvT. I'm hoping to see other Protoss learn from Snow and make it much deeper as a result. I think Rain's midgame dragoon attacks are what to emulate PvZ. I don't really know what to suggest ZvT, maybe you skip muta and try lurker into ultra? Like crazy Zerg but lurkers instead of mutas so you don't get rekt by valk pushes. Although then you need a few hydra or spores or something to save overlords... Tough. So far main strat seems to be going Spire anyway and hoping to just out micro the valks with muta/scourge. I'm skeptical.
GSL we don't seem to have super dominant Protoss right now and TvZ looks fairly T sided with the ability for Terran to just win early (hard to punish early CC) mid (standard pushes) or late (turtle exhaust play). In contrast all I really see winning ZvT is either special tactics (like Nydus) or mass baneling with a sufficient eco advantage to roll through everything. We did have a nice game or two from Dark with ranged ground units supported by spells & abilities (fungal, blinding cloud, abduct, biles) that looked good, but I don't think we've seen too much of that more balanced style. Personally I think the way to go is mass ling/bane with spell support (possibly also some corrupters to fight medivac and puke on buildings). I've seen quite a few ZvT where they go mass bane and add on something silly, like 5 lurkers or 5 ultras which is ridiculous. Ling bane gives you a massive burst of production and then damage, it pairs perfectly with the burst effect of spells like blinding cloud and fungal and terribly with the sustained damage and area control of lurkers or ultras. I also think Z needs to go mass mass queen early on, queens are just too good at holding everything. I don't know what to do PvZ or PvT in SC2, I guess hero is the one to emulate PvZ, brawling with gateway units to stop the Zergs 4th (or was it 5th?). PvT I really don't know, maybe Storm needs to be your first big source of splash since disruptor & colossus seem to get disabled (and/or picked off). Or maybe you can fight the ravens with Blink Stalkers. I think we've been seeing charge before blink which seems wrong vs T. Who knows
That last game was totally darks fault, he lost to the exact same build twice in a row
Any Protoss players in top 8?? Oh..only 1 and got eliminated :(. F.
Fun fact: Bunny and Cure are two latest Terrans to win a serie against Maru in GSL 2022 and 2023
So, it's Byun's turn?
Olivera won a bo7 against Maru not long ago...
That last attack from Byun hit like a truck!
so sad no Dark in the semis... this TVT are gonna be unreal.. but my fav match is Dark vs Maru :D
Wow, of course this happens right when Artosis leaves. lol
Let Zerg land corrupters, let Terrans blink ghosts, and (Artosis rule) let Protoss burrow pylons.
@@Galahad54 more like let ghosts be permanently invisible
What do you mean by 'this'?
@J K yeah but I think most people hate mirror matchups. Even terrans.
Nerf toss again. They are way too powerful.
Cooling tower move - this would obviously pose balance issues, but how cool would it be if the flying Terran buildings could squash units?
Better: Let Terrans build engineers, that can enter any building to capture/control it. Squash sounds good, especially command center squash into proxy planetary fortress in Protoss main.
Yeah Terran is still not strong enough. Not until there are 6 of em in the final four
Nothing gets me more excited than hearing Tasteless talk about girthy marines!!!
toss is OP
RIP Geoff. I still think of him often.
State you are doing fine
He’s doing better than fine, he’s doing great!
He’s in a good state
I’m loving the casting from State! He’s fun and informative. People who complain will find anything to complain about
He is garbage bring back artosis
He’s snapping the head!
8:00 Games up and going, stay safe all
21 ghosts and blizzard is like this is fine.
remember when it was said: "mass spell casters are bad design".
But ghost have solved the problem:" i am an allround unit, not a spellcaster. it is ok to build me in mass".
@@blessyou3999 That part where 5 zerglings had a ghost surrounded, and the ghost still won with auto attacks shows there hp is way too high.
@@Neloish compare the cost of a ghost to a 3 Zergling pairs you chode.
2 supply each though like the mighty roach. Why not half a supply each and spawn like zerglings. For same price. Next balance update...
@@AB-xo3pl That might be a swell idea, I will be too buzy raging about SC2 to crap on D4 24/7.
All of these matches were so action packed it was nuts! Ro4 should be a banger!
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Not really, just 2 boring AF TvTs. People playing with a cheat race against each other will never be exiting.
Right just a bunch of boring overbuffed TvT crybabies
I don't think Terran is necessarily a cheat race, but it definitely won't be exciting watching four of the same races face off on the top four
Byun mopping the floor with Dark there is one of the sight i never would have thought i would see, ever.
I love how Stasteless have never seen the dub proxy in nat. Like welcome to low dia/high plat.
Stateless lol
Yeah, I've been referring to the Stateslist lol. Just to separate their names some. Funny what moving an S around will do. And yeah, that happened to me yesterday. Diamond 3 Zerg
At last! The proper races composition in the finals!
Is this Blizz than can't get the balance right? was terran buffed or others nerfed?
Terran was always broken, it was just that the players couldn't take full advantage of this cheat race because they didn't know how to play it correctly.
Plus all the nerfs to Zerg because of Serral.
@@OnigoroshiZero cope
Protoss was heavily nerfed in last two balance updates. The race relied heavily on shield battery but this was nerfed so much that it can't hold off two base terran anymore...
WOW bunny was so impressive, might be looking better than maru even
Cure & Bunny are looking absolutely insane.
GSL can never die, but it cannot survive on unreliable crowdfunding. We need some reliable sponsors to get on board. Where's pepsi/coke or monster when you need them?
Monster is already doing their part. They just funded TLMC18 so we can get new ladder maps and apparently there are strong rumors of another TLMC by year end, which implies that if they are the sponser for that one too then we could be about to see a change from annual ladder pool changes to less than a year between, which is crazy. Taken with a ginormous grain of salt of course
@@OmniSkepticSC That's good to know but its disappointing to see GSL without a studio and getting such a downgrade on TH-cam. SC2 deserves better.
It cant survive when the Ro4 is all one race either. No one sticks around for boring mirror match ups.
@@ZillaTheTegu You're not wrong but sometimes that just happens. I tend to watch anyway because I just love GSL production.
SC2 is a perfectly balanced game.....
yeah, great games!
thank you guys :)
I lov e you Tasteless
I love Starcraft 1 and 2 so much.
Bunny vs Solar :
Match 1 7:37
Match 2 36:51
Match 3 55:35
Dark vs Byun :
Match 1 1:18:50
Match 2 1:31:53
Winner match :
Match 1 1:59:09
Match 2 2:19:28
Match 3 2:27:23
Loser match :
Match 1 2:57:54
Match 2 3:05:43
Final match :
Match 1 3:35:01
Match 2 3:47:35
Dark like he was on drug or something
Awesome to be a terran rn. 3racks transition usually never worked against zerg, but it seems strong, everyone is doing it. And less hellions.
Gigachad ByuN
Ghosts are so OP
The stuff falling on the army and killing like 30 supply was cool! Also I think Solar vipered his own hatchery!
Nerf both Protoss and Zerg while BUFFING Terran they said.....it'll be "bALanCed" they said!......
Zerg wasn’t really nerfed man, Protoss definitely was !
@@jeepld creep vision nerf is the biggest nerf in this game in recent times. also queens not being able to transfuse off creep takes away queen walk rush, thus making the game less diverse in terms of strategy.
@@ddenozor ghost also got nerfed, also creep shouldnt even give vision they already have 20mineral cracklings to facecheck
I wish bunny win GSL for once. His getting better and better.
ByuN blows my mind some times
stim is "not broken" LUL
I just got finals tickets and am super hype!! Do they offer earphones or whatever for the commentary from tasteless ?
Yes they usually do
Doug called it: only terrans in final 4 = we out. Onto the next GSL!
These games are awsome, but honestly if there can be 1 protoss in the top 4, the donation will go much higher.
So many ByuN vs. Dark so satisfying.
New guy really knowledgeable 😮
the line from State about the roach proletariat XD
Nerf toss, OP and buff Terran
WTF all Terrans in semi.
SC2 might be too hard to balance at the pro level.
Mid 2022 was balanced - best since 2016. Could revert.
Yes, revert 1,5 years. Okay protoss never won IEM but it seemed relatively balanced.
Terran imba confirmed. Honestly hate the state of TvZ right now. It is so demoralizing to lose a ton of games on ladder to "terran got 20 ghosts, literally can't win now" situation all the time, then go watch gsl, can't wait to see how these top players handle ghosts... Oh o they just autolose when there's a critical ghost mass as well. It just sucks so bad when you literally can't kill them because you have to drop thousands of minerals and gas into a swarm of overseers that just get deleted with a snipe volley and then the immortal cloaked ghosts just clean up everything. I would neef snipe damage to not 1shot overseers, or make it so detectors are unsnipeable or make it not able to target air or something to actually let zerg actually get to kill ghosts when they break through on top of them.
Really sick of the tvz meta though of zerg having to just take such ridiculously inefficient trades all day and have to be multiple bases ahead to be able to overwhelm terran, but then you also have to overwhelm them before they get 20 ghosts because that is an auto lose...
I would neef queens and give slight buffs to zerg units, maybe a +5hp to lings and banes upgrade or something. Make zerg forced to make more defense than just queens early so they grow slower, but have a better army when they do max out, rather than this meta where zergs max out comically easily but then get wrecked anyways because their units suck.
maybe buff adept attack back to keep zvp fair as well, because right now IMO terran > zerg > toss.
If anyone has a video of a top level tvz where the terran gets a high ghost count and doesn't just auto win let me know (barring some huge blunder where they throw their ghosts away). seems pretty imba to me...
fungal skill issue
If it were 4 zergs in the finals, they would be talking about all the ways zerg is OP. TERRAN IS OP. Also, some of the maps are too terran favored. Having said that, zerg MUST be better at flanking.
This GSL clearly shows that stim needs several second more to research and last 3 seconds less. And ghosts should cost 1 more supply.
GSL !!
Was Bunny Playing in his Bathroom?
So many drama queens in the comments. People have been crying about balance since the beginning. Just because you like a player or a race doesn’t mean they have to win for the game to be fair. How the players actually play matters. These were great games. I can’t wait for the r04
I love State and Tastless, mad respect for all their game knowledge. They dont watch enough Dark matches to be aware that he is platinum level skill with Queen injecting mechanics. Dark keeps all his queens on a single hotkey and hardly injects when defending with them. When he lost all his queens, the casters thought how could he keep producing units without all the injects.... ha-ha... they failed to realize Dark hardly ever injects! His queens are 90% fighting units. This is one of the reasons he is prone to make macro hatches in his naturals, because he needs the extra larva from lack of injecting.
Just never replace tasteless - his musings are incredible.
I forget if it was this round, but he compared GuMiho to the death star in that he is so powerful but has such an overt, clear weakness to his game / builds.
That has had me chuckling for days.
ARE YOU TELLING ME I CANT STOP EVERYTHING WITH JUST QUEENS? HOW DARE BLIZZARD
If that style were easy (Terran Queenslayer), it might have someone whose name in real life isn't Byun playing it. Just like we don't see anyone imitating Hero. And how many times have Terrans heard "Just play like Maru".
By "everything" do you mean the 12-15 Marines that completely obliterated 7-8 Queens, Zerglings, and Roaches?
Yeah, it looks like that the Queen is the broken unit here...
The terrans say u just build queens and stop anything.
When i told them marines beat queens, they call me noob.
@@OnigoroshiZero it wasn’t 15 marines, and queens have never been designed to battle. Stop being greedy and BUILD LINGS. That’s what the build forces you to do. It’s EASILY HOLDAVLE, IF YOU BUILD FUCKING UNITS. Terran doesn’t want Zerg building drones at a pace they can’t keep up with. If you do build too many drones on this build you will take BIG DAMAGE
@@ledrash6079 when there’s no lings? NO SHIT
2:39:29 What the fuck, that was so cool!
I'm only done with game 1 of Dark and Byun, but holy shit does Dark's play look dominant. He just walked up with those infestors and, like a bug's vengeance, swatted Byun down. Swept the game with basically 1o-15 seconds of assured and accurate control. I'm usually for Protoss, but I kinda like the idea of Dark winning a bunch this last year. Might as well considering the GSL Protoss prospects for the final year, uggh.
KEEP IN MIND
2:39:30 WTF DID I JUST WITNESS...
This is the best gamer ever
Imagine taking the world's best game and then completely destroying the balance over only 1,5 years.
where is match 2??
SPOLIER SPOILER : The reapers could of killed the hatchery, but for some reason the terran wanted to leave it alive. (PTSD from the last time he killed a hatchery before 6 minutes against the same zerg?)
The turrets 100% worked out better because of the way the queens where positioned, but based off the entry point of the raven, and the fact that it stood idle before casting the 2 turrets, leaves me to believe that was not the intended strategy.
yeah felt like raven was there for anti armor missile, but queens were kinda spread over an arch so he went with turrets instead. Meanwhile Zerg can only make lings when other races have all those options.
this game raven-pilled me
They should probably buff Terran at this point.
Marines are pretty good.
Hero marines are even better.
Nerf Prozoss 😀
What happened to Rogue?
he went to the military because he realized its the best time now that terran is imba
4 terrans in semi finals ??? Whaaaaat ????? Whaaaaat ?
theoretically, byun shouldn't be able to beat dark but an uninjured byun always has a puncher's chance.
dark made such good moves, all the right engages and still loses. what the hell is happening with the balance.
zergs when their tier 1.5 units dont instawin a lategame terran that can micro:
g3 bunny and solar was crazy
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as long as this game favours harrasment over proper macro, it will never be about skill.
If you cant build a proper build intime, you can still easily win games by sheer volume of harrasment.
The very foundation of RTS is building stuff, This game devolved into harrasment spam because its simply better. Doing high amounts of damage while your macro lags behind doesnt matter one bit.
No matter how clean your build is. Proper macro isnt required in this game anymore.
debatable
Picture quality so bad :( look like 540 or smthn
Tasteless is the translator now?
rip andy or whatever he was named
Q: So I don't know what Byun's gonna do here.... A: Kill all the queens, slaughter 20+ drones and evacuate the tank and 4 of his 8 marines safely.
All terrans, what a joke
I like the new caster
'new'
Why do this GSL is held online?
Downsizing due to the lack of funding, so they have to save all production costs as much as possible to still be able to bring the tournament out.
Because they can't manage a profitable offline event. And from what I see they don't know how to successfully manage an online one either. so enjoy the possible last one.
Loss of sponsors. Lots of advertisers cutting back 30% or more - Part of why many companies are cutting employees (CNN, Disney,, Twitter, Goog, Facebook, etc.) Expect more of this, as analytics tell companies which ads bring customers, and which are vanity. Also SC2 has run 2010-2023 - long run for a video game, I was glad to see some new ads in GSL in 2023. Might help Hot6 to update their ad, and to export to these States. Lot of thirsty around.
Why Ghost can kill everything Zerg unit? And Ghost HP is so much. but not enough them is so can run quickly?
SC1 Final TvT and now SC2 Final TvT. WTF man??
it would be nice if more than one race was occasionally represented.
Terran is so OP.. What makes zerg lurker worse is their projectiles are too slow..
And that stupid ghosts.. just not making sense What a stupid game it is
Tesagi!
Finally, marines have their vengeance....yet again 🤦🏼♂️🤣
top 4 all terran #balance
great
T v z is so satisfying
If you watch Solar vs Byun you realize this is not a balance issue. Its a skill issue. Byun decimated solar.
I found it odd that tasteless thought byun had the least chance of escaping this group. He's been at top level for a few months now I think. Tho I'm surprised about Solar cuz he's really good too. This was a group of death
Byun without his wrist issues is too op, he needs to be nerfed back to wrist pain I guess.
This patch is a balance issue. 2017-2022 balance favored Zerg, some styles by a lot. 2022 season 3 and 2023 IEM (World Championship) we were in the Maru patch, where we remain. Flipside all four Terrans here have amazing skills, so mad respect for the skills. Plus, a lot of top players 2017-2022 may have chosen Zerg or quit from other races because balance. It's been a long time since a patch favored Protoss at top level. In early 2022, when we were very close to true balance, Hero looked unbeatable, but the patchers didn't want Hero/Protoss.
If it was a skill issue, then Dark should have obliterated Bunny... But the fact is that he lost to him and Byun while easily being the better player.
Also, 4 Terrans in the final 4 is a huge red flag of insane balance problems with this race.
@@Galahad54 how many pro Korean protoss’s and zergs are in military? Korea has ALWAYS had the strongest Terrans in the world. This is the first time in a long time TVP is even in a good place, or close to it, and the only way you’re going to get Protoss to do better is get them back from Military service or make a fundamental design change to Protoss to make it a skill race. Cope and seethe. Maru, Byun, Cure are the best players in the world. They aren’t winning because of balance. They are winning because they are GREAT.
tfw no brood lords in late game T.T
Ghosts hard counter them, & they're quite slow.
Too broke to mass transition, a few broods suck, need massive amount of them.
That game 2 of winners match WAS SO FUCKING GOOD. Holy shit
Bunny making ghosts vs zerg look OP.
His snipes on critical units and cloaks are so on-point despite soooo many lings are running around! Bunny's amazing!
Terran late game vs Zerg is IMBA, because ghosts. As a Zerg, I remember when Zergs had six IMBA talents:: super creep, super Nydus, super swarm host, infested Terran, chain spell casters, super Queens. I just ask for one rule change (it was in Starcraft TOS, so it has to be fair): Make hydralisks great again by costing one supply. :)
Terran is op in every matchup now
@@Galahad54 dude have you ever lost game to it? I didn’t think so. They are the only players on the world who can make this type of play look so strong because they are mechanically the BEST IN THE WORLD. I swear to god you people know NOTHING. No one in Diamond or Masters is sniping and perfectly splitting army and dividing their defenses and perfectly mirrroring armies. That’s exclusively a Korean Terran thing.