Drum sections from The Hellcats and The Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps got together to play Crazy Army during a rare opportunity at the 2012 USARD convention.
Leading with 7-stroke rolls is great at a tempo of 108 bpm, but try that with a tempo of 130 bpm and you'll buzz it every time. 5-stroke rolls in duple pulsation is the alternative. I love hearing the 7-stroke in ancient fashion, as well as a 15-stroke roll (13-stroke at 130 bpm).
This style of rudamental drumming speaks to me so much more than does the modern Corps drumming style. This has soul, the new stuff just seems to be a "look how fast and technical i can play" incoherient ego stroke.........
I personally think that's the way snare drums should sound. Today they use flamheads but I think myler heads just gives drums the authentic type snare sound, but this is just my opinion.
Most drum corps stopped using fallams years to a decade ago and most marching groups nolonger even use kevlar based heads. They are mostly aramid fiber heads that are a lot softer ( closer to a mylar feel ) and even have mylar mixed in with the aramid fibers. Technology....
It's called, practice, and more practice. When I was drumming back in the 50s, through the 60s, I would practice anywhere from 3 hours up to 6 hours per day, on basics. Learning to play each rudiment correctly. I would start by playing the rudiment slow, and then increase speed gradually, if I found I wasn't executing the Ruderman correctly, I would slow down until I could execute the proper way, and then start to increase my speed. Then I would start to decrease my speed, very slowly. In my opinion, DCI and DCA, should start insisting that drum and bugle corpse, start playing real rudiments, instead of all the juggling head-bobbing, and dancing and prancing on the field. They turned what was one of the greatest activities in the United states, and Canada, into a marching band competition, superimposed on a three ring circus. Former member of the Floyd Bennett golden eagles, from Brooklyn New York, former member of the Long Island sunrises. Today is June 23rd 2022. Long Live real drummers playing real rudiments. By the way my first drama instructor was a Cadet from West Point, when I was in military school, Mount Saint Joseph Military Academy, just outside of West Point. That was around 1953 I believe?
Many of the comments, people have no idea how to execute a standard seven-stroke roll. Learn to play, Army 24, and army 68 standard, drum solos. Also Connecticut halftime, downfall of Paris, Grandfather's Clock. These are all standard, American drum solos. I learned always standards when I was a member of the olph ridge men, drum and bugle Corps, from Brooklyn New York, in 1956. My drum instructor was Eddie Fitzgerald, may he rest in peace. He was not only a great instructor he also was a, drum judge, Easton judges Association, and several others don't recall. Years ago we would get credit, under the caption of, exposure to error. The more rudiments and difficulty of these rudiments including Swiss rudiments, you would get credit. Today is drum lines get credit for, juggling, rimshot at the rimshot after rimshot, head bobbing, arms flowing all over the place, movements body English to make them look cool so they think, and I believe they play less than four or five rudiments in their entire program. Today it's more about visuals, kind of like a circus. You no longer have real drum and bugle c o RPS. May they all rest in peace. In my opinion DCI has turned the activity, into a marching band competition, superimposed on a three-ring circus. Today's date September 27th 2022. Former member of the Floyd Bennett golden eagles from Brooklyn New York, and the Long Island sunrises.
The drum intro to an old Chuck Mangione tune sounds like "Crazy Army". For the likes of me I can't remember the name of that tune. Chuck's ensemble played this with the Rochester Symphony Orchestra. Anyone know the name of it? I'm guessing it's Legend of the One Eyed Sailor. Right or wrong?
David Clarkson It’s a common interpretation in traditional fife and drum playing. Basically the seven and fifteen stroke rolls are played out and tend to fall behind the beat just a touch, and then the tempo kicks right back in. Look up some fife and drum groups on TH-cam and you’ll notice the trend. Different groups have a different feel sometimes, too. You can look for groups like the Middlesex County Volunteers, the Connecticut Blues, the Connecticut Patriots, the Regulators, and of course The Old Guard. These, among many others in the northeast, are all great groups with outstanding drummers.
DC - part of the 3rd Infantry Division - The Old Guard, who among other things guard the Tomb of the Unknowns. They have a number of special ceremonial units - a continental color guard and a continental infantry platoon. They look great in person and on video!
I think it would be cool if a DCI drum line wouldn't worry about trying to get high drums one year and instead just brought in about 15 snares and had a whole show with low tuned mylar. Phantom would be perfect. They could break out some of that 89/90 down the line visual. They always had that Scottish slur style. 1987 comes to mind with that snare break that John Wooton wrote.
I really like the deeper and fuller sound of the old rope tension drums. I really dislike the high pitched empty plastic sounding shrill (along with the prancing around like fairies on heat) of modern drum corps
Hi. Can I ask someone from these corps a technical question about this video. Like many other drummers, I'm a little familiar with Crazy Army from Steve Gadd's performance and I've seen it transcribed. I've watched this performance many times and can't work out what's happening with the 7 stroke rolls. Are they slowed down, and then the time caught up in the next beat, or are they not what I consider traditional triplet based 7 stroke rolls and the beat actually drops back slightly. (Maybe played as rolled 16th notes so the beat drops back by a 16th note each time?) Is there anyway I can get hold of a copy of the sheet music for this version? Whatever the answer it's an amazing performance. Many thanks Andy
From what I understand, 7-stroke rolls are traditionally "dragged", or slowed down. Somewhere, I saw a video from a Civil War reenactor drummer who explained that 7-stroke rolls were kind of played slower and looser than 5 or 9 stroke, and the strict in-time beat was picked up again just afterwords.
Haha you're definitely a modern drummer. Every non-drum corps drummer CANNOT read a 7 stroke roll. A 7 starts on the 'and' and ends on the 'beat'. We slurp it in. Different styles sound different. The Swiss tend to do a 'stagger' where it's super fast. As a New England snare drummer, I do a medium, so not this dragged and not super fast/concise. As for the sheet music, this is the traditional piece, so just browse the internet. If not, I can probably message you a photo copy of mine from my corps handbook. Thanks.
hey there andy, i also saw the diffrence immidietly between the 7 stroke role here and in Gadd's variation. what happened is, Steve Gadd is playing the role like sextuplets with double strokes, and they are playing the role the old-fashioned, like you would play a 5 stroke role but with 2 additional strokes, witch causes a delay. both are right. i personaly prefer Gadd's variation. hope i helped!
+Caleb Whittington musicians wore the reverse of the standard regimental colors traditionally. We wore Blue in red or black trim, so the musicians wore red or black with blue trim
This correct, but to emphasize why, musicians wore the opposite colours since they were normally 10-13 years of age and not old enough to fight in battle.
CIA it’s an old interpretation of what a seven stroke roll should be, the fact that they are all doing it correctly should give that away that it is clearly intentional. Traditionally rather than abiding by tempo and using a triple feel to compensate 7 strokes were played with a duple feel and tempo was simply kicked in after the roll, that’s not a good or bad thing that’s merely an old versus new technique, imo I’d almost say it is more correct given this would be how it was interpreted when it was originally written
As a fife and drum kid.. This is glorious. Amazing. Two great drumlines.
Mmmm, love those old fashioned extended rolls.
Leading with 7-stroke rolls is great at a tempo of 108 bpm, but try that with a tempo of 130 bpm and you'll buzz it every time. 5-stroke rolls in duple pulsation is the alternative. I love hearing the 7-stroke in ancient fashion, as well as a 15-stroke roll (13-stroke at 130 bpm).
Noah Angott They’re awful
This style of rudamental drumming speaks to me so much more than does the modern Corps drumming style. This has soul, the new stuff just seems to be a "look how fast and technical i can play" incoherient ego stroke.........
The point is to be absurdly difficult
@@zaccsonofjohn1132 And non-relatable and often very dirty. Just sayin.'
@@DennisJohnsonDrummer its not always supposed to be relatable and most the time in dci the lines are extremely clean
More technique these days Less music!!!!
I was just thinking the same thing! I love this traditional military style rather than the modern super tight snare drum line thing.
It doesn't get any better than this! Thanks for posting.
That must have been awesome to watch in person.Two terrific drum lines.Great video.
The definition of "Epic". I would love to be in front of a group that big drumming on those drums... you can probably feel it in your soul.
Marching in line of battle to this will raise hair on an egg!
Clean as a whistle...
Beautiful
Thank you for uploading this
Classic. Thanks for sharing!
That was fantastic
Nice job🥁🇺🇸
The relief of the relax ruff
is that prosperie? word. what a bad ass.
That's sounds so good!!!
Excellent!
Bravo! Buena puesta en escena y muy bien ejecutado. Gran técnica
This is great.
I personally think that's the way snare drums should sound. Today they use flamheads but I think myler heads just gives drums the authentic type snare sound, but this is just my opinion.
A young Jeff Prosperie, 3 years before the incident on FoxNews!
Hellz yeah
Most drum corps stopped using fallams years to a decade ago and most marching groups nolonger even use kevlar based heads. They are mostly aramid fiber heads that are a lot softer ( closer to a mylar feel ) and even have mylar mixed in with the aramid fibers. Technology....
can't play this with a met, cause it's super sick with the long touch on the 7 stroke rolls!
Yes sirrrrrr!
How the hell do you guys play those doubles so open and still be on time!?
It's called, practice, and more practice. When I was drumming back in the 50s, through the 60s, I would practice anywhere from 3 hours up to 6 hours per day, on basics. Learning to play each rudiment correctly. I would start by playing the rudiment slow, and then increase speed gradually, if I found I wasn't executing the Ruderman correctly, I would slow down until I could execute the proper way, and then start to increase my speed. Then I would start to decrease my speed, very slowly. In my opinion, DCI and DCA, should start insisting that drum and bugle corpse, start playing real rudiments, instead of all the juggling head-bobbing, and dancing and prancing on the field. They turned what was one of the greatest activities in the United states, and Canada, into a marching band competition, superimposed on a three ring circus. Former member of the Floyd Bennett golden eagles, from Brooklyn New York, former member of the Long Island sunrises. Today is June 23rd 2022. Long Live real drummers playing real rudiments. By the way my first drama instructor was a Cadet from West Point, when I was in military school, Mount Saint Joseph Military Academy, just outside of West Point. That was around 1953 I believe?
@@americanspirit8932jesus Christ you're fucking mad lmao
Many of the comments, people have no idea how to execute a standard seven-stroke roll. Learn to play, Army 24, and army 68 standard, drum solos. Also Connecticut halftime, downfall of Paris, Grandfather's Clock. These are all standard, American drum solos. I learned always standards when I was a member of the olph ridge men, drum and bugle Corps, from Brooklyn New York, in 1956. My drum instructor was Eddie Fitzgerald, may he rest in peace. He was not only a great instructor he also was a, drum judge, Easton judges Association, and several others don't recall. Years ago we would get credit, under the caption of, exposure to error. The more rudiments and difficulty of these rudiments including Swiss rudiments, you would get credit. Today is drum lines get credit for, juggling, rimshot at the rimshot after rimshot, head bobbing, arms flowing all over the place, movements body English to make them look cool so they think, and I believe they play less than four or five rudiments in their entire program. Today it's more about visuals, kind of like a circus. You no longer have real drum and bugle c o RPS. May they all rest in peace. In my opinion DCI has turned the activity, into a marching band competition, superimposed on a three-ring circus. Today's date September 27th 2022. Former member of the Floyd Bennett golden eagles from Brooklyn New York, and the Long Island sunrises.
Bravo
It’s the 1770s, G Dub Washington is kickin ass on the east coast, you hear this gnarly beat marching towards you.
You flea back to England. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Electric wheelchair was made after this it's way older then Electric wheelchair.
The drum intro to an old Chuck Mangione tune sounds like "Crazy Army". For the likes of me I can't remember the name of that tune. Chuck's ensemble played this with the Rochester Symphony Orchestra. Anyone know the name of it? I'm guessing it's Legend of the One Eyed Sailor. Right or wrong?
It is Legend. And it is Crazy Army Steve Gadd used for the intro.
Do they use the same drum? I assume they’re all Coopermans but was wondering about the models and sizes.
too bad you cant hear the big base drums very much. They make the whole thing special!
Sounds a bit like the intro to Electric Wheelchair
The intro to Electric Wheelchair was taken from Crazy Army.
Why is the 1 always delayed?
David Clarkson they play the 7 stroke rolls with a duple check instead of triplet.
David Clarkson It’s a common interpretation in traditional fife and drum playing. Basically the seven and fifteen stroke rolls are played out and tend to fall behind the beat just a touch, and then the tempo kicks right back in. Look up some fife and drum groups on TH-cam and you’ll notice the trend. Different groups have a different feel sometimes, too. You can look for groups like the Middlesex County Volunteers, the Connecticut Blues, the Connecticut Patriots, the Regulators, and of course The Old Guard. These, among many others in the northeast, are all great groups with outstanding drummers.
Th hellcats are at west point but where is the old fife and drum corps from? Great vid clean as all hell on rope drums.
DC - part of the 3rd Infantry Division - The Old Guard, who among other things guard the Tomb of the Unknowns. They have a number of special ceremonial units - a continental color guard and a continental infantry platoon. They look great in person and on video!
I think it would be cool if a DCI drum line wouldn't worry about trying to get high drums one year and instead just brought in about 15 snares and had a whole show with low tuned mylar. Phantom would be perfect. They could break out some of that 89/90 down the line visual. They always had that Scottish slur style. 1987 comes to mind with that snare break that John Wooton wrote.
I really like the deeper and fuller sound of the old rope tension drums. I really dislike the high pitched empty plastic sounding shrill (along with the prancing around like fairies on heat) of modern drum corps
Gikas Markantonatos they’re different styles and you shouldn’t compare them
yeah. Drum corps wear leotards now. That ain't it.
Hi.
Can I ask someone from these corps a technical question about this video.
Like many other drummers, I'm a little familiar with Crazy Army from Steve Gadd's performance and I've seen it transcribed. I've watched this performance many times and can't work out what's happening with the 7 stroke rolls. Are they slowed down, and then the time caught up in the next beat, or are they not what I consider traditional triplet based 7 stroke rolls and the beat actually drops back slightly. (Maybe played as rolled 16th notes so the beat drops back by a 16th note each time?)
Is there anyway I can get hold of a copy of the sheet music for this version?
Whatever the answer it's an amazing performance.
Many thanks
Andy
From what I understand, 7-stroke rolls are traditionally "dragged", or slowed down. Somewhere, I saw a video from a Civil War reenactor drummer who explained that 7-stroke rolls were kind of played slower and looser than 5 or 9 stroke, and the strict in-time beat was picked up again just afterwords.
Haha you're definitely a modern drummer. Every non-drum corps drummer CANNOT read a 7 stroke roll. A 7 starts on the 'and' and ends on the 'beat'. We slurp it in. Different styles sound different. The Swiss tend to do a 'stagger' where it's super fast. As a New England snare drummer, I do a medium, so not this dragged and not super fast/concise. As for the sheet music, this is the traditional piece, so just browse the internet. If not, I can probably message you a photo copy of mine from my corps handbook. Thanks.
hey there andy, i also saw the diffrence immidietly between the 7 stroke role here and in Gadd's variation. what happened is, Steve Gadd is playing the role like sextuplets with double strokes, and they are playing the role the old-fashioned, like you would play a 5 stroke role but with 2 additional strokes, witch causes a delay. both are right. i personaly prefer Gadd's variation. hope i helped!
Why red coats?
+Caleb Whittington musicians wore the reverse of the standard regimental colors traditionally. We wore Blue in red or black trim, so the musicians wore red or black with blue trim
This correct, but to emphasize why, musicians wore the opposite colours since they were normally 10-13 years of age and not old enough to fight in battle.
Can we at least cut the arts and crafts portion of military spending?
We'll just leave the public relations up to you. You can also press the play button on the boom box at military funerals.
Should've flown Steve out
Steve can do it all himself lol
sexy
Not nearly as good as HMKGs crazy army.
Armageddon I just watched that video and, unless I’m watching the wrong video, have no idea how you thought THAT was better than this. Hmm...
@@rygregory It clearly is, the breach timing in this is sooo bad... they can't even play the turn in each bar properly
CIA it’s an old interpretation of what a seven stroke roll should be, the fact that they are all doing it correctly should give that away that it is clearly intentional. Traditionally rather than abiding by tempo and using a triple feel to compensate 7 strokes were played with a duple feel and tempo was simply kicked in after the roll, that’s not a good or bad thing that’s merely an old versus new technique, imo I’d almost say it is more correct given this would be how it was interpreted when it was originally written