Just ordered the HDZERO on preorder just for this application, DJI still for my 2-3 inch micros. If DJI make a small 1s capable whoop board with the V3 goggles at 1080p... then we start all over again!
I really appreciate your thoughtful input on the shape of the board. My main goal is to be able to have cleaner, sharper video footage from my tiny whoops as sometimes my analog recordings are just too fuzzy. Oh and I want the performance that comes from a light weight build, so I would love to see your new hd zero build and thoughts on its performance. Thanks for all you give to the FPV community.
Great video Nate! Very exciting stuff! Glad to hear you got to contribute, and thank you for that - HDZero is so cool in many ways, this being a big one!
could you do a video on how you made your own camera? Or maybe just how to disassemble these micro cameras and try different lenses? I have a bunch in a pile and I know i scratch lenses and end up buying entirely new cameras when some of the lenses i have might be salvageable or just use one to give me a different FOV perspective in flight. Thanks!
I have a very old video where I showed how to fix the lens on the Beta75X camera. Most cameras work the same way, so that might give you a good idea. If there's no glue, then you can probably just unscrew the lens and screw a new one in. The trick is adjusting it until the image is in focus. As for making custom camera bodies, that requires a 3D printer and some trial and error (see my previous video).
Good info and thanks. I didn't jump on the Fatshark receiver and then they became unavailable. Therefore, never was concerned about owning the system. Then I watched Carl's interview and thought this may become something to look at with more convictions. I think the receiver is above a cost that I'm not willing nor able at this time. Looking forward to more videos Nate. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
That lens, awesome for HDZ, but I hope they put it on an analog cam soon too (rc nano 5?). The nano3 used in every happymodel build. Kinda sucks but it's the only cam under 1.5g
Are you saying soon it'll be possible to run a 1s tooth pick on hdzero? That, is, awesome! I may have missed it in the video, but what is the output power? Swappable from max to 25mw? Supports elrs backpack? Yes? 😁 If it's all that I want to try this in a racing stack
HDZero VRX in my opinion is still too expensive for what it is IF you're just getting into digital fpv flying. I'd still consider DJI to be ahead in terms of picture quality. However if the prices drop and it becomes more feasible in cost comparison I can definitely see myself purchasing the HDZERO
@@MrShutterBug yes I definitely agree on the 1s builds but have you heard developments over at DJI for a upcoming revamp OR closing off their air units however I belive it would be the former. Considering they are building and designing sub 250g drones.
DJI has the better picture quality but everything else is better in HDZERO in my opinion. It just works like a normal analog setup with all betaflight features, just that it's digital. I guess better picture quality is only possible if you introduce a lot of delay, which is not good for racing. But I guess in the future when there are even faster chips available this last problem of HDZERO can be tackled. And making HDZERO Open Source is the absolute DJI killer because from then on DJI needs to battle with free digital VTX software that is developed by people from all around the world who just want to make the system better for everyone without monetary gains in mind. Open Source is what made our FPV hobby possible in the first place so I'm sure HDZERO is in a great place for the future. I'm not so sure about that for DJI (in the FPV hobby). If they step up their game, maybe they can turn it around and increase their stagnating FPV market share.
@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts True to all of above, however if you factor in cost of HDzero VRX unit, a compatible goggles, vtx and camera unit. It is as much as the DJI vista or even the air unit combined with transmitter. In fact the built in DJI goggles receiver is already a positive factor. If you already have goggles and transmitter then I can see HDzero to ve the go to!
Awesome. I hope they sort out the availability issues. I have a feeling bashing around in a whoop these things might break a lot. It would stink to break one and not be able to replace it for a long time.
I explain the availability timeline at the end of the video. The VRX should ship out to retailers in a week or so, and the other components in late May. Hopefully HDZero can keep up with the high demand for these products after that.
nice video, as always. I have an 24000KV Mobula6 as a freestyle whoop. du you think it's still fun to fly with that weight attached? The motors could carry it, I'm sure.
Yeah, it's totally fun. However, if you're going to put HD on a 65mm whoop, then it's worth taking a few steps to reduce weight in other places if you can. Every gram counts.
Yeah that will be cool! They already make a reference vtx design available, but having a really good open source project like ELRS has could make it way better I’ll bet!
It can get pretty hot if the VTX is on when when the drone is on the ground, but not hot enough to melt a whoop frame. I recommend using "low power" mode so that it only broadcasts at 25mW when the drone is disarmed. That will help.
The mounting of the VTX is just like any whoop-style AIO (all in one) flight controller. Therefore, if a frame says that it supports AIOs, then it can probably work. Just use longer screws and some spacers to stack the VTX on top of the FC (or visa versa). My favorite 1S carbon frame is probably the Babytooth from FPVCycle.com. You can see videos on my channel about the 1S Babytooth build. There are plenty of other frames too if you search around. 2.5" or 65mm 2-blade props also make for a good 1S build. So that's another option.
@@seablake4116 I bought a HDMI to RCA converter. That works fine with the DJI analog input. I cannot measure input lag though so that could be an issue. But HDzero stuff is still not available so this is something for next year anyways I guess.
Do you mean the blue canopy on my HDZero 1S whoop? I made a video about that build. You can find the STL link in the video description text. Cheers! th-cam.com/video/44Bu2HgIWkM/w-d-xo.html
Phones take great pictures these days. The phone lenses might work for FPV, but the electronics probably wouldn't because phones are not optimized for latency like FPV cameras are.
Yes it is the same system. Divimath is the company that designed the whole HDZero system. FatShark licensed HDZero and rebranded it as “SharkByte”, but they are no longer involved today. Now Divimath has taken charge and they continue to make HDZero product without Fatshark’s help.
These are excellent advancements on the VTX and camera but it’s the RX that’s still lacking. HDZero won’t really have my attention until a binocular goggle with built-in RX is released.
They are working on dedicated goggles. That will be really exciting because it should be able to achieve even lower latency! Hopefully those will be ready this summer sometime.
In my opinion that is all still too heavy for tiny whoop racing granted I am flying tiny whoops that weigh less than 20 g with really high KV motors and almost killing batteries
A light build with HDZero can now get pretty close to 20 grams. Analog will continue to have a weight advantage for the foreseeable future, but the gap is getting smaller and smaller. I think it's getting to the point where a pilot could choose to fly HD and still have a good shot at winning. They won't be as light as their analog competitors, but they will be able to see more clearly. Depending on the lighting conditions, that could make a big difference too. Anyway, it's a step in the right direction. I love seeing the tech improve at such a fast pace! I would also love to see an HD spec class in the future. That would be a lot of fun, and much better for spectators too (HDMI to the big screen!)
Where do people with low mechanical skills go to learn how to build tiny drones ? I´m fascinated by drone builds but cannot put an IKEA chair together. HELP !
TH-cam is a great place to learn! There are many videos that cover techniques as well as start-to-finish drone builds. You can also buy drones that are already built, but it is still a good idea to learn how to fix them after a crash. :-)
i thought fatshart made the firmware/software and gave it to hdz so they could make hardware, ok they may have tweeked it a bit with the updates but is it not fatshark that gave it away to hdz so if thats the case then well done fatshark cos without them there would be no hdz and i dont care what you fs haters say
I don't hate Fatshark. My HDO2s are my main goggles. But FatShark did not develop the HDZero/SharkByte system. The circuit design and the firmware were always made by Divimath, from the very beginning. FatShark licensed it to make a product that fit on their goggles. That product helped the system get started in the FPV market, so I'm thankful for that. Make sense?
@@MrShutterBug makes perfect sense, im not hating on hdz altho i fly dji i have alot more invested in hdz with orqa v2, 04x, farshark scout hd, expensive oled hdmi video gogs and more and all bought just to try and make hdz work for me, im keen for the whoop stuff and eger for your 65mm build. I wand hdz for racing and whoops and dji for everything else. But im learning everyday just like the rest of you and look forward to the future in both systems. I do hate analogue tho i been spoiled for too long now
As good as the open source announcement looks, HDZero would never be as successful as ELRS. Individual efforts will be always against their business interests and will drive community away. An example of this is Prusa, even though their hardware and software is open source, community never had a real impact on their products and their maintainers are very uneager to merge contributions unless they are simple bug fixes.
Shout out! You`re doing such a great work!!! THANK YOU!!!
Just ordered the HDZERO on preorder just for this application, DJI still for my 2-3 inch micros. If DJI make a small 1s capable whoop board with the V3 goggles at 1080p... then we start all over again!
Big thumbs up for HD Zero 👍 and for your Nate!
I'm liking that new VTX design for a Tiny Trainer, which for you is a giant trainer.
Thanks for sharing. Looking forward to see them in action
I really appreciate your thoughtful input on the shape of the board. My main goal is to be able to have cleaner, sharper video footage from my tiny whoops as sometimes my analog recordings are just too fuzzy. Oh and I want the performance that comes from a light weight build, so I would love to see your new hd zero build and thoughts on its performance. Thanks for all you give to the FPV community.
Great video Nate! Very exciting stuff! Glad to hear you got to contribute, and thank you for that - HDZero is so cool in many ways, this being a big one!
I think its more exciting to know youre making this and wait for next week to see the next video.
Amazing!!!!!! Way to Go, Salute from Brazil.
I like them !!! Gonna need a big magnifying lens to see those things. !!! Good stuff, Thanks !!!
the notch for a zip tie to hold the ufl connector in place is brillant! that is my biggest complaint with ufl connectors.
It's almost hard to believe how far HDZero has come over the past year!
Very exciting!
Dear sir ! You are my fav pilot and gives good and honest review
could you do a video on how you made your own camera? Or maybe just how to disassemble these micro cameras and try different lenses? I have a bunch in a pile and I know i scratch lenses and end up buying entirely new cameras when some of the lenses i have might be salvageable or just use one to give me a different FOV perspective in flight. Thanks!
I have a very old video where I showed how to fix the lens on the Beta75X camera. Most cameras work the same way, so that might give you a good idea. If there's no glue, then you can probably just unscrew the lens and screw a new one in. The trick is adjusting it until the image is in focus. As for making custom camera bodies, that requires a 3D printer and some trial and error (see my previous video).
Great stuff 👏 I want that camera it should be out by now thank u for the video.
Oh ordered my first shutterbug85 whoop excited to try!
Thanks
Good info and thanks. I didn't jump on the Fatshark receiver and then they became unavailable. Therefore, never was concerned about owning the system. Then I watched Carl's interview and thought this may become something to look at with more convictions. I think the receiver is above a cost that I'm not willing nor able at this time.
Looking forward to more videos Nate. Enjoy the Breeze...👍🏻🍻👊🏻
That lens, awesome for HDZ, but I hope they put it on an analog cam soon too (rc nano 5?). The nano3 used in every happymodel build. Kinda sucks but it's the only cam under 1.5g
Very exciting work!
Are you saying soon it'll be possible to run a 1s tooth pick on hdzero? That, is, awesome! I may have missed it in the video, but what is the output power? Swappable from max to 25mw? Supports elrs backpack? Yes? 😁 If it's all that I want to try this in a racing stack
Yes. 1S HDZero toothpick will totally be a thing. Power output is 25mW or 200mW.
@@MrShutterBug that's awesome 👍 hopefully the preorders start shipping on the VRX soon and these item start becoming available
HDZero VRX in my opinion is still too expensive for what it is IF you're just getting into digital fpv flying. I'd still consider DJI to be ahead in terms of picture quality. However if the prices drop and it becomes more feasible in cost comparison I can definitely see myself purchasing the HDZERO
DJI looks great but I personally really enjoy HDZero and HDZero is the only way to go digital on these light weight 1S builds.
@@MrShutterBug yes I definitely agree on the 1s builds but have you heard developments over at DJI for a upcoming revamp OR closing off their air units however I belive it would be the former. Considering they are building and designing sub 250g drones.
@@UnravelledMoney perhaps a slight downside of dji is that we have absolutely no clue xd
DJI has the better picture quality but everything else is better in HDZERO in my opinion. It just works like a normal analog setup with all betaflight features, just that it's digital. I guess better picture quality is only possible if you introduce a lot of delay, which is not good for racing. But I guess in the future when there are even faster chips available this last problem of HDZERO can be tackled. And making HDZERO Open Source is the absolute DJI killer because from then on DJI needs to battle with free digital VTX software that is developed by people from all around the world who just want to make the system better for everyone without monetary gains in mind. Open Source is what made our FPV hobby possible in the first place so I'm sure HDZERO is in a great place for the future. I'm not so sure about that for DJI (in the FPV hobby). If they step up their game, maybe they can turn it around and increase their stagnating FPV market share.
@@TimeFadesMemoryLasts
True to all of above, however if you factor in cost of HDzero VRX unit, a compatible goggles, vtx and camera unit. It is as much as the DJI vista or even the air unit combined with transmitter. In fact the built in DJI goggles receiver is already a positive factor. If you already have goggles and transmitter then I can see HDzero to ve the go to!
Cool i m looking for
Awesome. I hope they sort out the availability issues. I have a feeling bashing around in a whoop these things might break a lot. It would stink to break one and not be able to replace it for a long time.
I explain the availability timeline at the end of the video. The VRX should ship out to retailers in a week or so, and the other components in late May. Hopefully HDZero can keep up with the high demand for these products after that.
Awesome
nice video, as always. I have an 24000KV Mobula6 as a freestyle whoop. du you think it's still fun to fly with that weight attached?
The motors could carry it, I'm sure.
Yeah, it's totally fun. However, if you're going to put HD on a 65mm whoop, then it's worth taking a few steps to reduce weight in other places if you can. Every gram counts.
Nice review! Get us some flight footage with the new camera :)
Soon :-)
First! Very exciting stuff
If you are interested in my wersion of whoop canopy. Made for RunCam nano 3. Printed in nylon just 0.6g.
Nice! 0.6 grams is good. I'm going to make one too and it will be about the same weight, but I would be happy to take a look at yours too. Got a link?
And dont forget, open source hardware! Pretty darn cool
Yeah that will be cool! They already make a reference vtx design available, but having a really good open source project like ELRS has could make it way better I’ll bet!
have you built a babytooth with this yet? was looking for a video :)
Not exactly, but I do have a 2S Babytooth with HDZero and I love it!
my HDZ Vtx boards get pretty hot on my 3" (carbon fiber) frame. How will that affect the plastic frame of Whoops? Does the 1v board get as hot?
It can get pretty hot if the VTX is on when when the drone is on the ground, but not hot enough to melt a whoop frame. I recommend using "low power" mode so that it only broadcasts at 25mW when the drone is disarmed. That will help.
so whats new about the vrx
Mostly the same, but there are a few changes. I hope to go over those differences in a future video.
Hey, I am new to the hobby and want to build an HDZero 1s quad, where can I find a carbon fiber frame that fits this VTX?
The mounting of the VTX is just like any whoop-style AIO (all in one) flight controller. Therefore, if a frame says that it supports AIOs, then it can probably work. Just use longer screws and some spacers to stack the VTX on top of the FC (or visa versa). My favorite 1S carbon frame is probably the Babytooth from FPVCycle.com. You can see videos on my channel about the 1S Babytooth build. There are plenty of other frames too if you search around. 2.5" or 65mm 2-blade props also make for a good 1S build. So that's another option.
@@MrShutterBug Thanks man, that helps a lot
This will make me get back into whooping and drones
Awesome! I mainly fly 1S whoops so this is a great development. Now I need to find a way to hook this up to my DJI goggles....
It's really hard but possible
@@seablake4116 I bought a HDMI to RCA converter. That works fine with the DJI analog input. I cannot measure input lag though so that could be an issue. But HDzero stuff is still not available so this is something for next year anyways I guess.
what about the tinyhawk 3 frame? looks like there is space for this to be mounted in the bottom and the fc in the top or vice versa
Yes, fits perfect underneath. Check my channel for a video of this installed
That can probably work, but I haven't tried it myself. I don't have a tinyhawk.
@@RyanQuellet sweet, ive been loving fitting an hglrc nano whoop mount vtx in the bottom of my th3 frame.. i look forward to entering the digital game
@@MrShutterBug great .. i cant wait to try . ive done external analog vtx installed in the under part of the th3 frame and works really well
do you have a link to that canopy?
Do you mean the blue canopy on my HDZero 1S whoop? I made a video about that build. You can find the STL link in the video description text. Cheers!
th-cam.com/video/44Bu2HgIWkM/w-d-xo.html
Lens might be similar to the one used on the insta360 go?
The lens in this new camera is tiny. Much smaller than the lens on the Insta360 GO.
can't we used the cameras in cell phones for our quads? they don't much lighter or smaller and they are damn good
Phones take great pictures these days. The phone lenses might work for FPV, but the electronics probably wouldn't because phones are not optimized for latency like FPV cameras are.
It’s hdzero fatsharks thing?
Yes it is the same system. Divimath is the company that designed the whole HDZero system. FatShark licensed HDZero and rebranded it as “SharkByte”, but they are no longer involved today. Now Divimath has taken charge and they continue to make HDZero product without Fatshark’s help.
@@MrShutterBug awesome 👏 thank you for the answer! I’m gonna swap my fleet over. I love the idea of a digi tinywhoop
Will this be compatible the the sharkbyte vrx?
Yes
Ugh wish DJI would also come out with something similar be probably won’t ever happen. Heavy air units and vistas
These are excellent advancements on the VTX and camera but it’s the RX that’s still lacking. HDZero won’t really have my attention until a binocular goggle with built-in RX is released.
They are working on dedicated goggles. That will be really exciting because it should be able to achieve even lower latency! Hopefully those will be ready this summer sometime.
Well crap, it’s getting harder to stay with DJI everyday, this stuff is amazing…….
Hmmh. They could've designed it so it can also fit 20x20, looks like the board has plenty of room for double holes.
Liked and subbed.
Make it works with dji googles🙏
Unfortunately the DJI goggles don't support HDMI input.
@@MrShutterBug just output :(
All my dji was stolen.. might not replace??
In my opinion that is all still too heavy for tiny whoop racing granted I am flying tiny whoops that weigh less than 20 g with really high KV motors and almost killing batteries
A light build with HDZero can now get pretty close to 20 grams. Analog will continue to have a weight advantage for the foreseeable future, but the gap is getting smaller and smaller. I think it's getting to the point where a pilot could choose to fly HD and still have a good shot at winning. They won't be as light as their analog competitors, but they will be able to see more clearly. Depending on the lighting conditions, that could make a big difference too. Anyway, it's a step in the right direction. I love seeing the tech improve at such a fast pace! I would also love to see an HD spec class in the future. That would be a lot of fun, and much better for spectators too (HDMI to the big screen!)
Where do people with low mechanical skills go to learn how to build tiny drones ? I´m fascinated by drone builds but cannot put an IKEA chair together. HELP !
TH-cam is a great place to learn! There are many videos that cover techniques as well as start-to-finish drone builds. You can also buy drones that are already built, but it is still a good idea to learn how to fix them after a crash. :-)
i thought fatshart made the firmware/software and gave it to hdz so they could make hardware, ok they may have tweeked it a bit with the updates but is it not fatshark that gave it away to hdz so if thats the case then well done fatshark cos without them there would be no hdz and i dont care what you fs haters say
I don't hate Fatshark. My HDO2s are my main goggles. But FatShark did not develop the HDZero/SharkByte system. The circuit design and the firmware were always made by Divimath, from the very beginning. FatShark licensed it to make a product that fit on their goggles. That product helped the system get started in the FPV market, so I'm thankful for that. Make sense?
@@MrShutterBug makes perfect sense, im not hating on hdz altho i fly dji i have alot more invested in hdz with orqa v2, 04x, farshark scout hd, expensive oled hdmi video gogs and more and all bought just to try and make hdz work for me, im keen for the whoop stuff and eger for your 65mm build. I wand hdz for racing and whoops and dji for everything else. But im learning everyday just like the rest of you and look forward to the future in both systems. I do hate analogue tho i been spoiled for too long now
As good as the open source announcement looks, HDZero would never be as successful as ELRS. Individual efforts will be always against their business interests and will drive community away. An example of this is Prusa, even though their hardware and software is open source, community never had a real impact on their products and their maintainers are very uneager to merge contributions unless they are simple bug fixes.