INVESTMENT BANKS DESTROYED in this AWESOME Presentation - Part 1 of 5
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Institute of Trading and Portfolio Management - University Tour 2013
Filmed at University College London (UCL) November 2013
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this guy starts right away with real stuff, no introductory words, just straight to the point!
bigcock383 just the way i like it...no corny jokes just straight to the point.
He's highly successful, great at what he does, spreading a message which supports both moral compass and ego. And perhaps most importantly, slightly pissed!
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He looks like the guy from limitless...but when he doesn't have the pill. But seriously though, having retired at 27 he must of been putting in the hours.
The amount of hours dont really matter, military a good week is 60 hours for us but were for the most part extremely fit and healthy. Just need to have healthy habits that dont take up any or much time.
lucky him
this guy starts right away with real stuff, no introductory words, just straight to the point!
He was working in investment banking back in the day of million pound bonuses and probably grafted 90-100 hours per week. Unfortunately bonuses like that don't exist anymore
@@SRAphotog 9& o.
After speaking with a bunch of classmates within my business school at uni, a considerable portion of those who say they want to get into "investment banking" don't know what the function is and simply assume it's some prestigious, exceptionally well paying job. Hardly any of them have ever placed a trade, know what a hedge fund is, or can even tell you what a sell side/ buy side function is and the differences. This video needs to be watched by every student paying way to much money towards a business degree.
Here Here ... pass it around. It will save many lives much wasted time in spending a decade figuring it out for themselves.
This comment made my day
Brickstun Ram
Wow, as someone not in this industry (not yet), I’m surprised at the level of ignorance of your classmates, due to the fact that they are in school for business.
lol you pretty much just described me.
Do you think that investment bankers make trades? Lol
this was the best motivational speech ever.
This is one of the most important videos on TH-cam. Never stop, Anton!
just on a view from an entirely different profession, this guy is for real. He's actually more than likley what the his industry needs. And I might add it's a very important industry
Barry Ross
Yeah this guy is a legend
I wanted to learn more about trading so I clicked on a random video (with him). Then I found myself watching his BBC documentary. Now I'm hooked watching all his material. He's really good! If trading is for you you can see him as a mentor. I want to pick his brain.
I can't get enough of this. Thank you for sharing!!
Also if you reach your 40s and you're not in senior management whether it be in investment banking front office, middle or back either as a trader, IT or analysis, operations you tend to get pushed out. Even the IT staff get thrown out and can work for 45% of what they were earning out in the home counties somewhere (if they're lucky).
Nice and simple communication. Excellent!
Mixing water with Red Bull to stand through this ftw.
I can't believe GS doesn't have a hit out on Anton at this point lmao
whats GS?
@@uknasa007 Goldman Sachs
He looks like the guy on cover of Liars Poker, with his hairstyle and ofcourse the expensive suit ready to give you a handshake and pull you in the world of finance.
I love the set image before you click on the video, very self explanatory 👍🏼
Many people lose thousands of dollars without having heard Anton, if they had the opportunity to listen to Anton before, perhaps now would be millionaires. I am one of them and I'm not ashamed to say it. Even without having made any Anton program, I could understand it to be able to say that he is absolutely right. After losing 100,000 in the market, and become bankrupt, I can now understand each letter of his mouth. Thanks anyway Anton. Continue with your good work.
I don't understand why he would "destroy" investment banks. He simply describes the inner workings and latest development of an industry sector, like it or not.
As always, the title is very misleading.
Anton looks like he just walked off the set of Miami Vice.....never stop, brotherman! Keep redpilling the planet!
This guy retired at 28
You cannot compare your lifepath with others, there are millions of different factors that can change your situation, but mostly that is you.
Can't believe we are getting these lectures for free.
Does Anton still not use a smartphone? Is he considering another documentary of any sort?
Just in case some people are still wondering why students are clamouring to the IBs, its not the security IB side, but rather the M&A IB side......thats why interest in IBs holds till today!! The trading and sales side is already archaic and outdated....don't fall into that money trap.
Did no one clock 'does that sound sexy'? hahahaha his face in not serious
Interesting composition of time spent market making vs prop trading. How do the figures you presented differ from the years when you were at the banks?
Thanks for the videos! I have learned so much!
pleasure!
Thank you for sharing this.
Is anyone able to provide the slide deck in a PDF format? I find it difficult to view it on a computer screen. I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks for the sharing the crucial info.
He reminds me of Snape!
Thanks for uploading this
i think he is a robot
s3v0 If you can become a robot like him, you would be a successful trader
robots are anyways superior to humans
you mean stoic
Humans create robots
LOL this guy drinks red bull.
And shits em out like red pills to spread truth.
I can imagine the university staff present in the room, asking themselves "why... why have I not though of that before"
Jokes aside, thank you for putting this online. It was a good presentation and it makes total sense. I'd like to ask the guys at the Institute of Trading, if I may, what has their "track record" been in terms of successful traders produced? Taking the "Million Dollar Traders" series, it seems the success rate is 3/8 (small sample though, I know).
I'm interested. Thanks!
+Eduardo Gavotti Traders who know how to manage risk, have a good strategy, etc, are unlikely to lose. The 80-95% of traders who lose are usually the ones with no plan, no strategy, they try to get rich too quickly so they risk too much, etc.
+Eduardo Gavotti at any one time 60-65% of our traders accounts are up since inception. 20-25% are flat and 15-20% are down, but only ever down small. This is because we implement interventions on losing traders and guide them on where they are going wrong. Across the community downside is protected and upside is opened up. But you have to also remember there is an inherent flaw in your questioning. Imagine a scenario where you take your kid to schools and interview the teachers and schools and ask for example "How many A grade students did you produce last year?" lets say the answer is 60%. Thats obviously a pretty good school. However this does not mean that you as a pupil have a 60% chance of becoming an A grade student just for turning up. If you are just dumb you wont be in the 60%. But lets assume you are not dumb. If you dont do the work and apply yourself you wont be in the 60%. It works both ways. The success rates are also contingent on the types of students the school takes in. Waifs and Strays are not accepted at the Institute. We want smart people and attract smart people. Our success feeds off itself.
I understand, and I thank you for taking the time to respond, but this is an old question. Fair enough, I hope it serves the purpose for anyone who might have the same question I had before I actually took the course ;)
Anyway, perhaps I did not expressed myself well enough. What I wanted to know (back then) was simple statistics based on the 3/8 rate from the TV series, and not to question the institute's effectiveness.
All the best,
+Eduardo Gavotti where you from?
Honestly I don't even care for what he says, his communication and presentation style is worth learning from alone.
Which University teaches you to play Black Jack the best ?
I'm definitely going to apply to a hedge fund, once I transfer colleges in a few years. One thing I know, is that you have to understand the culture and history of the fund. I've learned a lot about Bridgewater and Ray Dalio, so I'm going to keep working and learning about that fund, Dalio, and other things related to finance, economics, investing, and hedge funds in general.
How's your process going?
howd that work out for you
Did you do it?
So the real job is determining the algorithms that investment banks use.
Just to think I wanted to switch from software engineering at JP to a trader. We always thought they were making the big money but turns out we’re making more then them actually double their salary with a better work life balance.
When Anton Stars Speaking, Every Professional Trader Just Shuttled Up !
this is gold
he is the trading god!
Funny how all of those students wanted to apply to investment banks rather than hedge funds. Even before I watched it, I knew that hedge funds gave internships and that these hedge fund jobs seemed way better through my own research online.
1 year later and hedge funds are getting very unpopular and under-performing indexes across the board. Onto the next thing!
Any such videos for Future doctors (med students)?
Thanks for the video, am based in Singapore , would there be an issue if i were to join the course ?
Definitely not. Its global...
Derrick Han hh
Loki of Trading.
What’s the difference for the client between the agency option and the risk option? surely either way they get the same amount of shares
Investor A = 20,000 shares of his own money
Investor B = 20,000 shares of borrowed money.
Yes while they both have the same amount of shares , Investor B is using 10million dollars he doesn't have . Whatever investment bank is fronting the money, is getting extra money back because of the "loan" they are giving investor B
Remember 1776 i thought B does have the 10m because the bank still sells the shares to B?
a lot of stress and sublime communication
In the introduction, he indicated he would tell the class what they need to be doing right now if they want their resume's to stand out. Why was that edited out? What did he say in that regard?
if the university professor can't teach this to the students then what are they paying for and why did the professor get the job?
Vince Vaughn?
The only way to become a billionaire is to say "shedule"
Shedule
Anton, Is it just LSE that Goldman is hiring from or is it Cambridge aswell?
They hire from a range of universities.
looks like vince vaughn and christopher walken had a kid.
This is Gold so Beautiful. It makes you wonder who gave him the green light? Yep just part of the game I guess 🤑
My heart bleeds for these vampires.
So a trader spends 90% of the time on the phone doing business development?
He looks like a vampire in this one.
he looks tired as fuck
Withdrawal.
That's the same dude who was on the show "Million Dollar Traders". He was a rat-faced snitch on the show. He'd go and talk bad to his boss about the traders he was put in charge to train..
Reggae Fan He wasn't a snitch lol, they were acting like babies, I would've done the same.
Nick V Of course. Do you think that people who work with investment banking and trading get much sleep? They don't.
+Reggae Fan You're misguided. The point of the show was to train the traders and report their progress back to Lex, which is the same process for any company, department you're working in. In addition, Lex has a right to know because it's his money they're trading with. Do you work...in a real company, in the real world before?
The " no nonsense guy "
an awesome, humble guy! no self aggrandizement
This guys came up with some great ideas to get shot of scum bags from the trading game, scum bags that could get the likes of CFD's to be closed down altogether within EU and the UK.
This guy is a legend, showing you the inner workings and structure.. He's also got a mentoring company running for anyone interested in retail trading. Lots of the guys worked for Goldman, so they're teaching retail traders how the pro's do it compared with just the normal trader that follow 100/200MA, trends etc.
I've been following Anton for about month now, he's clearly not spotted me yet or i'd be arrested.. lol
All jokes aside, just the little pieces he's put on the plate has helped me put together a better strategy.
Out of the last 5 trades 4 came home ; }
what do you focus more on fundamental or technical analysis
n=5 😂😂😂
All of this applies also to 'non-investment' type roles in the corporate world. The corporate world in the loglng run will suck the life out of you.
Can anyone tell me what kind of students he is lecturing to? Economics ?
sport
Fucking love the way he talk!
joining the course soon
will be glad to have you on board! you will learn a hell of a lot...
useful
Can I get a copy of this PowerPoint.
check the description. however not in PP format. For obvious reasons.
So investment banks are shit and retail trading is shit so what sell insurance then?
What does he got from this, there most be a catch....
Just curious, how long ago was he working at GS?
I think it was early 2000s.
www.linkedin.com/pub/anton-kreil/b/390/994
Anton is too intelligent for us
👍
Could you come to my school?
Insiders network with other insiders and make money before you blink.
Dear Anton Kreil. I quite liked your presentation. You mentioned enlightening points about investment banks and hedge funds. But in my opinion, it would be very important for everybody, if this presentation had shown concrete evidences to prove that individual retail can earn 20% yield per year consistently. At the end, this is the central point of your lecture and the central interest of your audience. Without this proof the presentation no longer makes sense. I would be grateful if you can provide some evidences. Thx in advance.
Deco L It could be 20% return on principal, and not necessarily 20% return on underlying assets via margin. ie 20% ROI w/ 30% margin req. = 6% asset return. Could be wrong.
Thing is no on wants to be a trader. BANKER is where it's at.
wish he gave actual technique trading advice
He must be such great fun at parties.
His parties are fun, trust me.
When he puts down a 2K bar tab for everyone in the group. . it's pretty fun!
a lot more fun than your regular corporate drone
Who likes parties anyway...
reinplat
Oh his parties are great. And so what if he isn’t ? He’s worked so hard to get to where he is and all this wealth and success he’s got is due to that. Just jealous that he’s there and ur not ?
This doesn’t cover m&a though
So what if the money is there. It's just a flex. The reality is golden handcuffs.
This dude is now in singapore? Lol
this guy looks like a vampire
25 bps here in phils :p
umm.. is it me or are JP morgan and the others scared of private investment banks lol... jealous he wasn't at my school smh
And what you got??
comm isn't as high as 5bp
Any relation to Elon?
The guy might be right in 99% of what he is saying, he is really serious , but he failed in the assumption than with 150k Pounds a year you cannot live in Central London. That is an insult to many humans on this planet.
I do live in London and manage to survive with 20k (its shit life ok) but with 50k you can do it. To claim more than 150k just for "CREATING MARKET" . Come on guys, you are playing with money of others putting the money on companies whose jobs or procedures you have never seen, you have never taken a toolbox in your life and you think by wisely allocating money you can "CREATE" that much? It is just an insult, and the city of London another joke (to not to talk about tax Havens now)... Millions of hard workers are supporting you play tetris with the algorithms and their fruit of millions of hours worked...
Or you can just keep your money or warn your friends to stay away from this particular area so you don't feel insulted. As an intern working at Sales and Trading, earning 50k pre-tax is not a lot really. I understand there are millions of ppl busting their ass just to make 45~50k or so, but it's just not that huge sums of money when it comes to banking. Also I'm not quite sure what you mean by millions of hard workers because investing banking has nothing to do with everyday life people's money....
what he meant I think is that bank of moving money just earns money by doing "nothing", while hard workers who create products do something real and earn not a lot comparing to banks who just move money, especially when without risk. But its your choice - to be a worker who creates product or go to to work at bank.
sounds pained, forgetting that he used earned money to get in the door and of course the above doesn't show Rafael knows a lot about how money is set up and how it works for you to enjoy the things you enjoy today..Imagine we are all savers!!!
Yeh i largely agree ive lived in london had to share my accom with 156 to 550 other humans all coming from poorer nations and who stole my food or property whilst i went out to work
I have lived in posh areas of london and rough areas
Whatever i made came in went out again immed
Which is antons point
As you go up the scale even to senior chairmen ceo management levels 250k by times theyve taken on a hefty mortgage in central london paid for their kids private education lifestyle of hob nobbing it with the persons that they need to.250k pa can have a rather large dent in it its exactly same cycle as what occurs at a far lower level
The problem is that traders arent contributors they are speculators
Investors are contributors.but trading is all about making profits be they good or bad
In nature!!
Dont expect a social conscience to ever come out the markets
I think he means a wage of 150k. So after tax your looking at 90k? Then your living close to office in canary wharf and the life style to boot including expensive suits, watches, shoes to be presentable for this line of work. In this context I assume it would be difficult.
Is this what an investment banker does
For some, yes. Although most of those who wish to work at investment banks want to work in M&A. M&A is quite different. Your time as an analyst in M&A is spent creating valuation models, creating and editing powerpoint presentations, and doing other forms of grunt work for the VPs and Associates.
Omg I wasted my life trying to figure it all out…wish I knew this soonerrr😓😓
As a live broadcast director/producer I had to not watch this!!!
In a way they were destroyed......
Jesus
He worked for them
Most of his life...
Apparently you need to start every sentence slowly then rattle through the end at double tempo to sound inspiring
ahahahaha
Com Truise Is that the only thing you came away with from this wonderful presentation? Jealousy is an ugly thing, even in the financial field. If you can't add to the substance of the venue, why open your mouth at all to launch a personal attack?
This dude needs to do up his buttons, get some sleep, and get a hair cut.
+Michael Thomas He's a trader... All he has to do is make profit.
+Michael Thomas He retired at 27 apparently. But it looks like working in London knackered him.
Michael Thomas like a boss?
This guy was right about bitcoins!
What did he say about bitcoins?
AI will take over the jobs of traders
Daniel Shen nope. AI can trade patterns but cant trade crazy. meaning you cant code the unknown and the unexpected. no computer will ever trade a crash...they will exasperate it
i think he is a robot