Due to a high demand in comments I decided to ask my coaches to analyze "Baki: The Grappler" next! What episode, training or fight scene would you want us to take a look at? Let me know in the comments ;) | You asked and we delivered! MMA experts break down Baki the Gappler: th-cam.com/video/n32iwb0ayc8/w-d-xo.html
@@MartialArtsJourney Next time please have Real Boxer/ Coaches not MMA Fighters or Coaches. They suck in Boxing setting of sparring they cant see the punches from the angles. You have to run in order for the legs to be Conditioned then what follows is the jump rope for Coordination, Balance and Timing. Then ShadowBoxing with darth in and out, lateral side to side, and the triangle footwork Simultainiously from the Stance. Most MMA fighters doesnt know the Fundamentals of Boxing, they think that they could just jump in like with their Flatfooted stance with their feet. When you ask them to wear a pair of shoes, the mannerism and their habits is still there. Boxing coaches will be Brutally honest and will instill fear if you cant adapt and adjust. Cus D'Amato, Teddy Atlas, Mayweather Sr., Freddie Roach, Ann Wolfe, The late great Emanuel Steward. Please watch them how the Coach and Train a Boxer you will see how Honest they are.
Wtf???? That is a guard, one arm lower is called the Philly shell and lots of fighters have used it... also the flicker jab was a real thing used by Thomas Hearns. Maybe Boxing coaches should see this, not MMA coaches. Boxing for Boxing is way different than boxing in mma Edit: Holy likes! Thanks guys!
Lol they missed out some history but the defense wasn't disregarded as false, and neither was flicker jab and they rated the realism high sooooooooo what's the issue? Everyone so salty for the sake of it or is this just an e-peen contest cos you never got to be in the video? lol
Well said Vegito. Finally somebody that knows his shit. To break down this anime like this sucks the life out of a good anime series. It has a good story with good action and I think it addresses alot of psychological parts from each character. You got ppl from all walks of life that are real and up front and you've got ppl who is going to pump you up so it's an excellent blend. Excellent anime all the way through.
Intenxsify in what way? Like I under stand why youthink Sendo has some similarities with Joe but Ippos fighting style is way different and Ippo personality is not like joe
@@xaegius5349 Not fighting style wise but both can brawl as shown in Sendo vs Ippo. Ippo almost has Joe's face,wears the Joe jacket with a red shirt in the episode when Ippo was depressed. Ippo beat Woli (like a tarzan jungle boxer). Same with Joe beating Harimau. Ippo and Sendo are like two halves of Joe. Fighting style wise I agree both Ippo and Joe are different. Since Yabuki is a brawling counter puncher and Ippo is a peekaboo style skilled infighter.
@@xaegius5349 Sendo has Joe's agressive behavior from season 1. Sendo hangs around the kids in his area like Joe hanging out with the kids in his area. Even the kids themselves look similar. Ippo is more like Joe's depressed side and more calm side of Joe. The author of Hajime is a fan of Ashita and Chiba Tetsuya. One thing both Sendo and Ippo have in common with Joe is extremely good punching power besides them being Japanese with similar looks.
@Benjamian Hausmann Look, I hate sjws but your comment made no sense, she's here to commentate not to fucking fight... Slow down your women hate there buddy, if they asked her to fight the rest of the men you might have a point but even women fighters can commentate...
@Benjamian Hausmann First of all none of them are good enough because they are mma experts not boxing experts there's a huge difference, she may not be qualified for this, but she's not any less qualified than the rest of the people, because she's still an mma expert. Short summary, she's not any less qualified to talk about it than the rest of the people, but they're all not qualified for it.
@Oyet Cortez Palmes MMA and boxing are different, but you can't just say that they can't do a breakdown of ippo. They're Mixed martial artist, so it's safe to assume that they do know and practice boxing
One more thing, these pros keep comparing mashiba to Floyd, when they have the Actual hitman mashiba his based on... tommy hearns 😩😂😂😂 next time get boxers not MMA 😩😂
Not really, this MMA experts keep bringing up constantly how things would work in MMA training and fighting, they outright ignore that they're watching a boxing anime, this is basically saying "both sports are about fighting so they're the same" so saying "soccer and basketball are both about balls so they're the same" isn't that different as an example.
@@mistermonologue2442 thats actually a thing but its not called "heart break punch" if you punch someone hard enough where their heart beats you can literally stop its circulation
@@MartialArtsJourney Just followed your channel just for this vid LOL. If you could I would really like to see how they would react to Miyata's style and see if it has any realistic aspects to it. And also Miyata is just super cool as a character ^^
@@quickie17 Also, Takamura isn't the coach of Ippo. Takamura intervenes occasionally to tell Ippo about his shortcomings, which isn't exactly a good way of teaching like they said. The coach actually does work techniques into his training without actually telling him. Ippo actually realises this when he himself becomes a second.
@@Critical_0 I know that there are cultural differences in coaching methods. Takamura's case is kind of lopsided. His role in the story isn't as a mentor but a senior to ippo. He only imparts little nuggets of wisdom onto Ippo because he feels he has a duty to help him improve on his shortcomings. He also isn't really helpful at times. In the more recent chapters, he flat out discourages Ippo from returning to boxing and there's an obvious level of detachment you can see in him. Overall, I'd say it was unfair to judge the show based on a single scene with no context like the video did and not into account other perspectives.
Ippo is one of the best, realistic martial arts anime. Kenichi is fun but the power level is all over the place and it's really about showcasing the values, theories and ideals of traditional martial arts in an exaggerated fashion, which is good fun. Baki is about over the top violence and manliness and often about the contrast between real fighting and martial arts. A surprisingly good one that's running right now is Hinomaru Sumo/Hinomaru Zumou. It's a typical shonen martial arts sports anime about Sumo, and it's really quite realistic as well. They also have an MMA guy and Karate guy that adapts their skills to their Sumo game in the main team, in a way that I think is fairly realistic. I started it because I am a martial arts nerd but I really did not expect that out of a Sumo anime.
Like I swear when Kenichi learns 1 new move and fights the villain which there are more experienced actually loses because of that one move I swear it’s The villains are bad at fighting like they have been fighting longer than kenichi and in tho ova one of the villain does capoeira but there no capoeira in it like what I like about Hajime No Ippo theres technical explanations and they are being smart when fighting and they think how to win during the fight
I love hinomaru sumo and baki. Also kengan ashura. Baki characters are like mortal kombat characters. In baki there is a guy that hunted dinosaurs for christ sakes.
I can't believe you glossed over the part where Ippo paralyzes Mashiba's arm by punching his elbow over and over again, would have loved to see their reaction to that
OMG! i CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY Otakued your coaches. This is hilarious! Man are they game too, I can't imagine my coach sitting down to watch "Japanese cartoons" with me, much less give me feedback and stuff. YOU GOT TWO to do it with you. You're the man Rokas, truly.
I'm a fan of Hajime no Ippo and Megalobox, but I feel that Megalobox is more like a drama anime in with a sports backdrop than actual fighting series like Hajime no Ippo and Holyland.
@@dropkickcorpse My thoughts exactly. Megalobox focused on the story and left the fight kinda lack luster. They focused on the machines the fighters used but didnt utilize it in the fights. It was kinda overly glorified though I did enjoy the show. I just feel the main character could have showed off some cool technique to beat out the fighters that rely on their gear too much.
@@KIDhazama "Cool technique"? He was a superior boxer to all the other boxers and their rigs combined! He was so good without equipment, the Champ ditched his own rig just to prove that he was a better boxer and not the rig itself. All said, the fight choreography or camera work did need some more polish.
@@T3HR3PP4 That's exactly what I meant. No technique was used in how they really struck at each other. It was alot of hooks, uppercuts, and jabs but there is more to boxing than those three basic elements.
@@KIDhazama part of what makes me want to see them react to that is the fun that can come from seeing these coaches try and apply their knowledge on cracking the holes that pop up in the concept of machine augmented combatants. I mean how cool would that be!? I also concede that it could go in the way of "this is just too B.S." to logically try see how they'd develop strategies in the context of the show~
For an anime, Hajime No Ippo is incredibly realistic. I would love to see what these coaches think of the depiction of the Dempsey Roll. But you can really tell the love and care for the sport that the creator put into this story
Idk understand why the Mma experts didn’t explain anything, the form is the philly shell, then ippo practices the Dempsey roll. It’s nothing new, these things have been here for a long time, the whole show is very accurate for the most part.
Fun fact, the guy who made Hajime no Ippo has a boxing gym himself which makes sense why the anime is fairly realistic when it comes to fundamental boxing.
You didnt provide much context at all either, In that fight Ipoo is a beginner fighting in the rookie tournament, and he doesn’t quite understand how boxing works yet, so they’re not as much trying to scare him as much as filling him in on fundamentals. Also the styles of most fighters in the show are exaggerated versions of real life fighters, that particular opponent is based on Thomas “the hitman” Hearns
THAT WAS SOOOO COOL! 😆 How nice of them to participate in such "bizarre" thing to them. This tells a lot, at least for me. You better get everything you can from those guys, Rokas! Cheers, man!
Two mma coaches tell you how little they know about boxing. Rally weird to see two mma coaches who don't know what a Philly shell and flicker jab are. They're only two of the most iconic staples of some of the greatest fighters of all time. This is why I get worried when I see a mma guy go into boxing. Their knowledge of the sweet science is so limited most of the times it's sending a lamb to the slaughter. And vice versa for the boxer going to mma.
It might sound silly but the scene where takamura asked ippo to catch 10 leaves helped me perfect my jab , ippo realised that he needs to relax his arm and throw it like a whip until he made contact with the leaf then he hardens his fist by colising it, i did the same and the result is a powerful and fast jab of course you need to apply all the fundametals of a jab like the alignement of the fist elbow and shoulder and the slight hip rotation and weight shift but the relaxing then hardening bit make it even more destructive for me
Reasons why this video sucks. They used the dubed version They said Japanese Cartoon The woman interumpting constantly. Using MMA "experts" to react to a Boxing anime. You didn't provide context. All of you need some lessons in boxing history.
1 Dubbed is for accessibility. If you are trying to get someone to watch anime for the first time, you don't make then watch subbed shows. 2: Anime is just Japanese Animation Aka Japanese Cartoons. They don't need to know the term Anime, it's enough to know it's from Japan. 3: The lady is there to talk... 4: Yeah this is a common complaint but he is using what he has. If he had boxing experts then I'm sure he'd use then instead. It's in the title so it's not like he's lying about the content. 5: Context was provided enough. They aren't reviewing the damn thing, they are only talking about the aspects of the martial art. Training, coaching and of course, the actual combat. I mean the title says what the video is, and the video is what the title says. If you want to make your own then do so. But bitching about someone not calling it an anime or showing them the dub is just silly to me.
an·i·me /ˈanəˌmā/ noun a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children. Cartoon and anime are both animated film it's just another friking term. You just close minded af. They provided a good enough detail comparison between the animation and real life experience. What else you want them to do sit there and react and get excited being fake? This video purpose is to see if anything in the anime is bs or not.
It's also worth mentioning that the story originally is a Manga. It can be hard to translate that to animation, especially when fine details are concerned. The creator of the Manga, being a boxing coach himself, probably imagined more realistic movement in his head more than the animation studio was able to show in the animated series, though I imagine they would've consulted the creator and/or experts to get it mostly right.
As someone who has read the entire thing up to the current chapter (1245ish, updates are strange) as well as watched the anime, I can assure you there are more than several instances where this series breaks through the realm of what is possible lol. That being said it's still extremely feasible to enjoy the series and I greatly encourage anyone who is interested in it to go ahead and start. It's one of the best comedy series ever made as well as one of the best action series.
Do the trainings too, the kinds of training, if it is accurate or not for emprove your boxer. I loved the concepte. I totally watch more of these. Keep the good work
And maybe ippo’s fight against Date. I’m really curious how realistic the paralyzing corkscrew punch is. And of course ippo’s fight vs sawamura for the analysis of the Dempsey roll and Dempsey roll 2.0.
So excited for Bryan vs Hawk though. I’ve been wanting an in depth, is it real analysis of hajime no ippo for ages!! You got yourself a new subscriber! ❤️
Mashiba's style is supposed to be based off of Thomas Hearns. Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns often would drop his left hand to deliver his flicking jabs; watch Hager vs. Hearns and you'll see that Hearns drops his left constantly.
You pick the wrong match scene. That will lead him to judge anything in the anime fight series can't be represent in a real fight! You must choose fighting between SENDO VS VORG instead! or IPPO vs VORG, EIJI DATE vs RICARDO
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Sendo vs Shigeta The Author explained many techniques there and it can be used in real life boxing definitely. The fighting spirit of the character could be a good lesson
It was really interesting seeing some experienced coaches review the show, but with all due respect, all the laughing about "negative comments" of the main protagonist coach and friends is just silly. There are more than one way of doing things. If your style as mma coaches is to be uplifting and positive all day, that's just great. Whatever works for you and it sure incourages larger numbers of athletes, fighters to sticm around in the gym since their fears and feelings are being babysit in such detail. There are different schools pf coaching and what you call "negative energy" works just fine and has worked for millions of fighters along the centuries, from Japanese fighters in karate to Muay Thai fighters, Russian boxers etc. Do you think Buakaw Por Pramuk's coach didn't use "negative energy and comments"? Do you think Saenchai's coach had nothing but "positive energy"? Heck, Muay Thai fighters, nationals or foreign are down right abused and bullied in some Thai gyms and for quite a few it gets the results. It's not an approach for anyone. It's an approach that makes you aware of your shortcomings while giving you a solution to them and forging your character and fears along the way. You get warned, you might get scared and if you do, the solution you work on is going to make that fear useful. Cus D'Amato by the way employed the same type of "negative energy" tactics you all laugh about and hey, he only produced numerous champions and one of the most if not the most iconic boxers of all time, Mike Tyson who is actually the boxer who inspired the creator of this cartoon/anime to base the main character on. So, in short: just because your personal coaching style is comfortable to you and your students and it is uplifting all the time and filled with "positive energy", doesn't mean other styles of coaching are to be laughed at and don't work. Just my 2 cents.
I know I'm like four years late to this, but Mashiba is, like others have said, based on Tommy Hearns, and the back-and-forth swinging of his hand in preparation for his flicker seems to be based specifically on the second fight between Hearns and Leonard. Of course, Hearns's motions are less rhythmic and much faster; they're feints more than anything, but at times he does swing his hand back and forth a few times before throwing out the jab from below.
Very good video. First time I watch this channel anyway. If you're comparing this serie with reality, would you be so kind to ask about two techniques that appears later in this anime? I mean, if those techniques exist or they are "reliable to do". Those techniques should be: Ippo's Dempsey Roll, and Volg's White Fang. Also, you should talk about Takamura's diet before a fight. That's a really hard point of describe it. Regards from Chile!
Yeah, something I love about Hajime no Ippo is that it's mostly realistic, while the unrealistic parts have tangible reasons: they're all there to improve the viewing experience. The visual flair, the internal monologue, even people hyping up Mashiba and psyching Ippo out are there for dramatic tension.
@@MartialArtsJourney hmmmmm The Hawk fight I think should go first because it brings up the concept of natural ability vs technique. Then there's the similarity between hawk and prince Naseem, and the epic rage moment Takamura unleashes is an interesting thing to react to.
Also; most of the communication issues they find, they’re all translation problems. Some things just don’t translate from Japanese to English well, and dubbers just make it easier to understand in English but a lot of times it ends up being mistranslated
If Holyland had an Anime, I’d be recommending that. I think maybe there’s a live action drama you could show them instead? Dunno how faithful it is to the manga, though. Alternatively... maybe Megalo Box? :p
One that's really interesting, and I'd like to hear the input of real fighters/trainers is the Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru (Minoru Kohinata, The Little Prince of Karate)... It only exists as a manga (no anime), but it's one that was completed a long time ago, though English translations are only now nearing the end of the series (total 500 chapters). The sequel manga, which is just called "Karate Shoukoushi Monogatari" (The Tale of the Little Prince of Karate), hasn't been translated yet, AFAIK. The reason I ask is because that one's very much specifically about MMA, and portrays itself as pretty realistic. A number of the characters are based on real fighters as well (e.g. Samart Payakaroon, Saenchai Sor. Kingstar, Jean-Charles Skarbowsky)... There are some things that, like any manga/anime are a little unrealistic -- for instance, the main character, because he was originally a gymnast, uses a lot of high-flying kicks and doumawashi and so on -- but even as the series goes on, he grows out of it and starts using normal punches and kicks and shows a tiny bit of development on grappling. Even when it gets unrealistic, it's not unrealistic in the sense of "that's defying the laws of physics"; it's unrealistic in the sense that "that would practically never work in real life." The series also has its fun little easter eggs. Every now and then you'll see another anime character make an appearance... Sailor Venus in a crowd, Vegeta in the gym, Jet Black in an audience, one fighter who apparently looked like Kazuma Kuwabara in his youth... also terminology from Ken'ichi and Naruto will make its way into the story, but they try to apply it to something real.
For people complaining about MMA fighters analyzing a boxing anime: It's called Mixed Martial Arts. Mixed. Mix. As in they add boxing techniques to the mix.
man hearing the blaring jet engines would have been a major give away for the way they showed the dempsey roll in this anime. Getting it set up kinda becomes this anime's equivalent of what goku charging the spirit bomb in my humble opinion.
9:35 usually Ippo does a lot of speed changes during his roadwork though. Like normal running, then a sudden dash/sprint for a short distance and then going back to running/jogging. Btw if you only know the Anime I highly recommend the Manga to you (its still ongoing). Its far further down the story than the anime and the drawing style also developed through the years
Alright, so a few things here: 4:12 That's a Philly Shell. And Flicker Jabs are low power, quick jabs meant to keep your opponent at range and dig for openings. It works wonders with a Philly Shell or something similar. It looks almost like Floyd Mayweather's stance because Mayweather uses the Philly Shell. Also, the targets are exposed, yes, but the Philly Shell is often used as an effective outfighting stance where the chin is protected by shoulder rolls and you use flicker jabs and movement to keep the opponent far enough from you to suffer from body shots. A flicker jab is also not supposed to be whipped out in such an exaggerated manner as seen in the Anime. Floyd Mayweather primarily uses flicker jabs. 10:14 Changing angles that low and dashing in does work in boxing better than it does in MMA. However, if used sparingly, it works just fine in MMA as well. Just look at Anderson Silva dodging strikes with his deep, low ducks. Also, this is the exact way in which many grappling oriented MMA fighters counter punches by going for the double/single leg takedown. 14:54 That's called an Elbow Catch. It is often looked upon as a dishonourable technique in boxing since it destroys the opponent's fist if they threw a punch hard enough and if you can manage to catch it. It is, however, a completely legal move. It is just as difficult to do in boxing as it is in MMA. Most schools just don't teach or train this for safety reasons. You can use it for upper body defense even in MMA, against punches, or even kicks, although it does have its own set of advantages and disadvantages. It's more like leg checking kicks. It is a difficult skill to master in any case. But it is a thing because people have done it in the past.
Compared to anime like Dragon Ball Z, Baki the Grappler or Naruto it essentially is realistic. The problem is if you make it too realistic, you won’t be able to show it on screen. So you have to exaggerate some moves. For example - Broken fist vs Bloody fist, definitely bloody fist would be easy to depict on screen
The Modern martial artist channel (which is a boxing channel) did a short breakdown of the techniques used on Hajime no ippo and explains the boxers that used them in real life. Great channel, highly recommend!
*The only unrealistic thing about that fight* Is when Ippo got the stupid idea of punching his opponent's elbow to break it. It doesn't work that way haha! You'd break your hands WAY faster than you'd break your opponent's elbow, punching it hard is only gonna inflict pain on yourself.
Dextruider but he did break his hand before he broke his opponents elbow. Mishiba still had the use of his left arm by the time Ippo’s bones were sticking through his hand. Plus Ippo has unusual power and is insanely relentless.
Dextruider Like I said Ippo’s trait is that he is insanely relentless and the show is consistent in showing that part of his personality. The anime shows that Ippo is crazy early on when he has his first ever sparring match against Miyata and gets beaten damn near to death but keeps getting up and throwing the only combo he had (the 1-2). And when he was fighting Mashiba the only hit he could get was on that elbow. He kept going for it and shattered his own hand to the point of his bones sticking through the skin, which is a realistic end result. So him attacking Mashiba’s elbow like that is consistent with the personality he was shown to have.
I don't know if you knew, but the mangaka actually owns a gym and sometimes acts as a second on his gym's boxer's matches! The guy actually knows some stuff about boxing
The guard the guy who uses the "flick jab" is called the Philly shell or crab style. like someone said below make no sense to have MMA experts who might have a limited boxing background. You can tell they have no idea about box just from say "oh that's the guard Mayweather uses". The Origin Story Oddly enough we can thank EA Sports Fight Night for essentially coining the term ‘The Philly Shell.” It is a variation on one of the most basic and oldest guards in boxing called the ‘Crab Style’ where the boxer essentially folds their arms bent at the elbows in front of their head/face to block and deflect punches. There really is no single creator of anything in boxing so to speak but it was the great Tommy Ryan who laid the foundation by understanding the importance of the ‘center-line. ‘Born in Redwood New York on March 31, 1870. Notoriously brutal on sparring partners he was World Welterweight and World Middleweight champion. He had 109 fights, 90 wins (70 by KO), only 6 losses and 11 draws. theunderdogsports.com/philly-shell-theory-technique/ The flicker jab Hearns would flick his jab and circle to the inside like his hero Ali, pestering his adversary and taking a superior inside angle. www.modernmartialartist.com/thomas-hearns-flicker-jab-chopping-cross-explained/
@@MartialArtsJourney Check it out, but don't expect it to be realistic. There's a lot of bullshit fantasy science. It's great though - very over-the-top. And the original creator is a huge martial arts/fighting nerd so there's a lot of nods to real life martial arts despite it adventuring into the fantasy side.
Theres a video on youtube comparing the real life techniques used by by real boxers. Just search it. Edit: look for The real boxing techniques of hajime no ippo explained by the channel, The modern martial artist.
Out of all the other Boxers: Sendo (Smash), Dante (Corkscrew), Hayami (Shotgun), Saeki (Speed Star), Volg (White Fang)...... they chose Mashiba and his Flicker Jab. Literally any other choice would have been a more interesting option for Expert Breakdown. Well, better than nothing I guess.
Love this! I would love to see another video like this! But get boxing experts next time if you can. You should show another fight from this series like the takamara vs hawk fight, wanna see how they react the unrealistic side of the series lol or another realistic fight, ippo vs sendo 1st fight, reaction to sendo unconscious fight or when ippo got the towel thrown on his fight. Just so much more fights to react lol more please!! lol👍🏼
Due to a high demand in comments I decided to ask my coaches to analyze "Baki: The Grappler" next! What episode, training or fight scene would you want us to take a look at? Let me know in the comments ;) | You asked and we delivered! MMA experts break down Baki the Gappler: th-cam.com/video/n32iwb0ayc8/w-d-xo.html
Whip strike fight xD
Hanayama vs Speck fight
th-cam.com/video/120Z04DqwdU/w-d-xo.html react to this
dempsey roll
Let em react to ippo's dempsey roll vs sendo they will probably be surprised
Fun fact: the creators of this anime and manga was a boxer and coach.
I do know that :) I actually said that at the end of the video, but cut it out in editing to not make the video too long. Thanks for sharing though!
It's also based on the really old boxing and coaching styles. Even in the show they acknowledge some of what they are doing is outdated.
Martial Arts Journey no problem. Big fan.
Fun fact: Ashita No Joe inspired Hajime No Ippo. Both Ippo and Sendo are based off of Joe Yabuki
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Next time please have Real Boxer/ Coaches not MMA Fighters or Coaches. They suck in Boxing setting of sparring they cant see the punches from the angles.
You have to run in order for the legs to be Conditioned then what follows is the jump rope for Coordination, Balance and Timing. Then ShadowBoxing with darth in and out, lateral side to side, and the triangle footwork Simultainiously from the Stance. Most MMA fighters doesnt know the Fundamentals of Boxing, they think that they could just jump in like with their Flatfooted stance with their feet. When you ask them to wear a pair of shoes, the mannerism and their habits is still there.
Boxing coaches will be Brutally honest and will instill fear if you cant adapt and adjust.
Cus D'Amato, Teddy Atlas, Mayweather Sr., Freddie Roach, Ann Wolfe, The late great Emanuel Steward.
Please watch them how the Coach and Train a Boxer you will see how Honest they are.
Wtf???? That is a guard, one arm lower is called the Philly shell and lots of fighters have used it... also the flicker jab was a real thing used by Thomas Hearns. Maybe Boxing coaches should see this, not MMA coaches. Boxing for Boxing is way different than boxing in mma
Edit: Holy likes! Thanks guys!
That's what i was wondering
I agree one thousand present
I said the same thing when I saw the title of the vid
Lol they missed out some history but the defense wasn't disregarded as false, and neither was flicker jab and they rated the realism high sooooooooo what's the issue? Everyone so salty for the sake of it or is this just an e-peen contest cos you never got to be in the video? lol
Well said Vegito. Finally somebody that knows his shit. To break down this anime like this sucks the life out of a good anime series. It has a good story with good action and I think it addresses alot of psychological parts from each character. You got ppl from all walks of life that are real and up front and you've got ppl who is going to pump you up so it's an excellent blend. Excellent anime all the way through.
Ippo’s style was based on Mike Tyson and Jack Dempsey.
And Mashiba aka Flicker Jab guy was was based on Thomas “The Hitman” Hearns.
Yes but Ippo isn't a defensive-pressure counter-puncher like Tyson.
Ippo and Sendo are based off Joe Yabuki from Ashita No Joe
Intenxsify in what way? Like I under stand why youthink Sendo has some similarities with Joe but Ippos fighting style is way different and Ippo personality is not like joe
@@xaegius5349 Not fighting style wise but both can brawl as shown in Sendo vs Ippo. Ippo almost has Joe's face,wears the Joe jacket with a red shirt in the episode when Ippo was depressed. Ippo beat Woli (like a tarzan jungle boxer). Same with Joe beating Harimau. Ippo and Sendo are like two halves of Joe. Fighting style wise I agree both Ippo and Joe are different. Since Yabuki is a brawling counter puncher and Ippo is a peekaboo style skilled infighter.
@@xaegius5349 Sendo has Joe's agressive behavior from season 1. Sendo hangs around the kids in his area like Joe hanging out with the kids in his area. Even the kids themselves look similar. Ippo is more like Joe's depressed side and more calm side of Joe. The author of Hajime is a fan of Ashita and Chiba Tetsuya. One thing both Sendo and Ippo have in common with Joe is extremely good punching power besides them being Japanese with similar looks.
Wtf is this we need boxing experts not mma experts.
Rayyan Frem yes ty
Exactly, wtf are these guys talking about
Rayyan Frem yeah the man who created this manga knew a ton about boxing
@Benjamian Hausmann Look, I hate sjws but your comment made no sense, she's here to commentate not to fucking fight... Slow down your women hate there buddy, if they asked her to fight the rest of the men you might have a point but even women fighters can commentate...
@Benjamian Hausmann First of all none of them are good enough because they are mma experts not boxing experts there's a huge difference, she may not be qualified for this, but she's not any less qualified than the rest of the people, because she's still an mma expert.
Short summary, she's not any less qualified to talk about it than the rest of the people, but they're all not qualified for it.
Makes no sense to have MMA experts breakdown BOXING
Bolts you know mma fighters use boxing right? Like boxing is a martial
@@TechLantern not even close at all
@Oyet Cortez Palmes MMA and boxing are different, but you can't just say that they can't do a breakdown of ippo. They're Mixed martial artist, so it's safe to assume that they do know and practice boxing
@Oyet Cortez Palmes that's a good analogy you got there, but that doesn't change the fact that there are still some apples in that fruit basket
@Oyet Cortez Palmes all good dude :)
MMA coaches are good but the opinion of a pro boxing coach would obviously be interesting too mainly due to the boxing theme.
One more thing, these pros keep comparing mashiba to Floyd, when they have the Actual hitman mashiba his based on... tommy hearns 😩😂😂😂 next time get boxers not MMA 😩😂
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The stance is pretty similar. The way floyd and hitman uses it is what makes it offensive or defensive.
@Dylan Ogega calm down boondocks fan
And Ippo is pretty much Mike Tyson.
Agree get boxers
Next: Soccer Experts Breakdown Slam Dunk XD
THANK YOU! I was about to point this out myself XD
Wait what who are these guys again?😂
UFC incorporates boxing but Soccer does not incorporate basketball. Your logic is flawes
Not really, this MMA experts keep bringing up constantly how things would work in MMA training and fighting, they outright ignore that they're watching a boxing anime, this is basically saying "both sports are about fighting so they're the same" so saying "soccer and basketball are both about balls so they're the same" isn't that different as an example.
@@dariusgibson3368 sir I disagree
Not the best fight to talk about techniques on Hajime no ippo, I think Fights with Date and Vorg display better examples, also Takamura vs Eagle.
Takamura IS a Fantastic pg.
But his fight are inrealistic as hell a human would died for the half of punch that takamura tank
Oh jeez, it would be great for them to analyze the "Heart break punch" lmao
@@mistermonologue2442 thats actually a thing but its not called "heart break punch" if you punch someone hard enough where their heart beats you can literally stop its circulation
Isn’t the creator of hajime no ippo owns a boxing gym and actually trains people
Yea the the creator is a former corner man, and trainer
This video was injustice to the show and the show of boxing. I am pretty sure the content creator made this show to show stupid MMA fighters are
He was also a boxer.
Yeah the creator is a coach and was a boxer.
@@aboucard93 ikr
They need to React to the dempsey roll
I am thinking of making a video on Dempsey Roll itself :)
@@MartialArtsJourney I'll be looking forward to that!!
@@MartialArtsJourney yes please! The dempsey roll is not as famous as it should, and its a bery usefull technique/concept
@@MartialArtsJourney Just followed your channel just for this vid LOL. If you could I would really like to see how they would react to Miyata's style and see if it has any realistic aspects to it. And also Miyata is just super cool as a character ^^
@@jori626 Glad to hear that! I love Myata's character as well. I'll look into it ;)
The emotional dialogue and advice is better in japanese
True
I know but dude, they're non-anime viewers and they're breaking down the boxing in the show
@Draggy654 Yes the english dub is super cringe.
@@Guts20237 its anime, it is always cringe either way
@@Electricc__ ah yes the edgelord
The negativity that the coaches were talking about is a culture clash. Being Asian myself negativity is used to make a positive outcome. That is all
Also they don't understand that takamura is a absoulte asshole , who would and has laughed in the faces of his friends when they lose
@@quickie17 Also, Takamura isn't the coach of Ippo. Takamura intervenes occasionally to tell Ippo about his shortcomings, which isn't exactly a good way of teaching like they said. The coach actually does work techniques into his training without actually telling him. Ippo actually realises this when he himself becomes a second.
@@ethan2163 I never said he was his coach or ever was I said he's a asshole that would likely cheer the opponent to laugh at his friends
@@quickie17 I know but it was more in relation to what they said.
@@Critical_0 I know that there are cultural differences in coaching methods. Takamura's case is kind of lopsided. His role in the story isn't as a mentor but a senior to ippo. He only imparts little nuggets of wisdom onto Ippo because he feels he has a duty to help him improve on his shortcomings. He also isn't really helpful at times. In the more recent chapters, he flat out discourages Ippo from returning to boxing and there's an obvious level of detachment you can see in him. Overall, I'd say it was unfair to judge the show based on a single scene with no context like the video did and not into account other perspectives.
Ippo is one of the best, realistic martial arts anime. Kenichi is fun but the power level is all over the place and it's really about showcasing the values, theories and ideals of traditional martial arts in an exaggerated fashion, which is good fun. Baki is about over the top violence and manliness and often about the contrast between real fighting and martial arts.
A surprisingly good one that's running right now is Hinomaru Sumo/Hinomaru Zumou. It's a typical shonen martial arts sports anime about Sumo, and it's really quite realistic as well. They also have an MMA guy and Karate guy that adapts their skills to their Sumo game in the main team, in a way that I think is fairly realistic. I started it because I am a martial arts nerd but I really did not expect that out of a Sumo anime.
That sounds really interesting! Thanks for letting me know
Like I swear when Kenichi learns 1 new move and fights the villain which there are more experienced actually loses because of that one move I swear it’s The villains are bad at fighting like they have been fighting longer than kenichi and in tho ova one of the villain does capoeira but there no capoeira in it like what I like about Hajime No Ippo theres technical explanations and they are being smart when fighting and they think how to win during the fight
Have you read Kenji though? And karate shoukoshi?
Karate Shoukoshi is SO good! Definitely a must read sports manga.
I love hinomaru sumo and baki. Also kengan ashura. Baki characters are like mortal kombat characters. In baki there is a guy that hunted dinosaurs for christ sakes.
I can't believe you glossed over the part where Ippo paralyzes Mashiba's arm by punching his elbow over and over again, would have loved to see their reaction to that
A Rob it’s said that rocky marciano used to do that
@@erickernestoserratosgalleg4692 Andre Ward too
OMG! i CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ACTUALLY Otakued your coaches. This is hilarious! Man are they game too, I can't imagine my coach sitting down to watch "Japanese cartoons" with me, much less give me feedback and stuff. YOU GOT TWO to do it with you. You're the man Rokas, truly.
Haha! I know, I was sitting there and thinking: How awesome is that! They are really cool and I'm really lucky :)
How'd you rope in the second coach? She just walked in with her tiny rat dog and asked to join in anime watching?
@@MohseenLala Hahah :DD Great question. No, she was planning to join, but was late ;)
@@MartialArtsJourney I wanna know the MMA moves in attack on titans...author of the series is an MMA fan
Now I wanna see how they'd react to Megalobox....too soon?
I'm a fan of Hajime no Ippo and Megalobox, but I feel that Megalobox is more like a drama anime in with a sports backdrop than actual fighting
series like Hajime no Ippo and Holyland.
@@dropkickcorpse My thoughts exactly. Megalobox focused on the story and left the fight kinda lack luster. They focused on the machines the fighters used but didnt utilize it in the fights. It was kinda overly glorified though I did enjoy the show. I just feel the main character could have showed off some cool technique to beat out the fighters that rely on their gear too much.
@@KIDhazama "Cool technique"? He was a superior boxer to all the other boxers and their rigs combined!
He was so good without equipment, the Champ ditched his own rig just to prove that he was a better boxer and not the rig itself.
All said, the fight choreography or camera work did need some more polish.
@@T3HR3PP4 That's exactly what I meant. No technique was used in how they really struck at each other. It was alot of hooks, uppercuts, and jabs but there is more to boxing than those three basic elements.
@@KIDhazama part of what makes me want to see them react to that is the fun that can come from seeing these coaches try and apply their knowledge on cracking the holes that pop up in the concept of machine augmented combatants. I mean how cool would that be!? I also concede that it could go in the way of "this is just too B.S." to logically try see how they'd develop strategies in the context of the show~
Never heard the english dub before..Wow that's bad.
Nah every english dub is superior
obviously not this one
None of the voices match up
@@fucker661 you're stupid wrong but ok
Well the dub is really really old lmao
For an anime, Hajime No Ippo is incredibly realistic. I would love to see what these coaches think of the depiction of the Dempsey Roll.
But you can really tell the love and care for the sport that the creator put into this story
Idk understand why the Mma experts didn’t explain anything, the form is the philly shell, then ippo practices the Dempsey roll. It’s nothing new, these things have been here for a long time, the whole show is very accurate for the most part.
Fun fact, the guy who made Hajime no Ippo has a boxing gym himself which makes sense why the anime is fairly realistic when it comes to fundamental boxing.
Now I can't unsee Coach Kamogawa's forehead hair
"boxing cartoon"
TRIGGERED
Triggered by the obvious truth
Balzac T. Bagher anime and cartoon are two different things
@@suda8691 anime are cartoons
@@blackspongebobonniggalodeo9759 no.
@@blackspongebobonniggalodeo9759 weebos won't accept that anime are japanese cartoons. They doesn't even know what a cartoon is.
Didn’t Thomas herns throw jabs like that?
"THE HITMAN"
Thats who the boxer in this episode is modeled after.
Headohones Love bc this is an anime , they r going to be exaggerated but the styles actually exist
Hitman throws 2 jabs in 1 second.
He had crazy speed.
Headohones Love it’s a fucking anime people like U take it too seriously
Those Flicker Jabs were done by Thomas “The Hitman” Hearns.
All I can say that you have to watch it to properly understand it rather than superciliously watching a few clips.
God damnit the dub is so bad
Nah
Edit: This is how you troll properly :)
@@Intenxsify wtf yes it is
@@LiveConcertJunkie Nah. I found it enjoyable enough and not hear a foreign language
@juanchogutro Yes wow a different opinion
90s dubbing at its finest
React to Baki the Grappler
Oh oh oh oh boi
What’s there to breakdown? It’s mostly bullshit
Jihadi John it’s somewhat realistic
CatSenju which reality are you living in?
Jihadi John well, obviously the later characters are unrealistic, but the earlier characters like Gaia and Shinogi are pretty damn realistic
Hajime no Ippo is my favorite anime and the fact that while exaggerated, it's so surprisingly accurate makes me love it more.
You didnt provide much context at all either, In that fight Ipoo is a beginner fighting in the rookie tournament, and he doesn’t quite understand how boxing works yet, so they’re not as much trying to scare him as much as filling him in on fundamentals. Also the styles of most fighters in the show are exaggerated versions of real life fighters, that particular opponent is based on Thomas “the hitman” Hearns
THAT WAS SOOOO COOL! 😆
How nice of them to participate in such "bizarre" thing to them. This tells a lot, at least for me.
You better get everything you can from those guys, Rokas!
Cheers, man!
Two mma coaches tell you how little they know about boxing. Rally weird to see two mma coaches who don't know what a Philly shell and flicker jab are. They're only two of the most iconic staples of some of the greatest fighters of all time. This is why I get worried when I see a mma guy go into boxing. Their knowledge of the sweet science is so limited most of the times it's sending a lamb to the slaughter. And vice versa for the boxer going to mma.
It might sound silly but the scene where takamura asked ippo to catch 10 leaves helped me perfect my jab , ippo realised that he needs to relax his arm and throw it like a whip until he made contact with the leaf then he hardens his fist by colising it, i did the same and the result is a powerful and fast jab of course you need to apply all the fundametals of a jab like the alignement of the fist elbow and shoulder and the slight hip rotation and weight shift but the relaxing then hardening bit make it even more destructive for me
glad that the fine bros didn't get that reaction monopoly or this would not have been possible thanks for getting this done pal~
Thanks! Ha, that was a bit of a crazy story wasn't it (fine brothers)? :)
It hurts when he said "cartoon"
Reasons why this video sucks.
They used the dubed version
They said Japanese Cartoon
The woman interumpting constantly.
Using MMA "experts" to react to a Boxing anime.
You didn't provide context.
All of you need some lessons in boxing history.
AMEN
1 Dubbed is for accessibility. If you are trying to get someone to watch anime for the first time, you don't make then watch subbed shows.
2: Anime is just Japanese Animation Aka Japanese Cartoons. They don't need to know the term Anime, it's enough to know it's from Japan.
3: The lady is there to talk...
4: Yeah this is a common complaint but he is using what he has. If he had boxing experts then I'm sure he'd use then instead. It's in the title so it's not like he's lying about the content.
5: Context was provided enough. They aren't reviewing the damn thing, they are only talking about the aspects of the martial art. Training, coaching and of course, the actual combat.
I mean the title says what the video is, and the video is what the title says. If you want to make your own then do so. But bitching about someone not calling it an anime or showing them the dub is just silly to me.
Anime is actually just a Japanese cartoon
@@thedudeinyourbasement3531 It's not
an·i·me
/ˈanəˌmā/
noun
a style of Japanese film and television animation, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
Cartoon and anime are both animated film it's just another friking term. You just close minded af. They provided a good enough detail comparison between the animation and real life experience. What else you want them to do sit there and react and get excited being fake? This video purpose is to see if anything in the anime is bs or not.
It's also worth mentioning that the story originally is a Manga. It can be hard to translate that to animation, especially when fine details are concerned. The creator of the Manga, being a boxing coach himself, probably imagined more realistic movement in his head more than the animation studio was able to show in the animated series, though I imagine they would've consulted the creator and/or experts to get it mostly right.
MMA? Mix Martial Arts? Reacting to a single martial arts anime, that being of boxing? Ok.
As someone who has read the entire thing up to the current chapter (1245ish, updates are strange) as well as watched the anime, I can assure you there are more than several instances where this series breaks through the realm of what is possible lol. That being said it's still extremely feasible to enjoy the series and I greatly encourage anyone who is interested in it to go ahead and start. It's one of the best comedy series ever made as well as one of the best action series.
I think you should use the Japanese audie with subs. Because sometimes lines are changed when its dubbed, and its not always the best
I agree
Wow it is nice to see insight from folks who really know their thing. Surprising and nice to see actual thought and insight in this reaction.
I agree!
Do the trainings too, the kinds of training, if it is accurate or not for emprove your boxer.
I loved the concepte. I totally watch more of these.
Keep the good work
I usually never comment, but this was great. You deserve more views, man. Greetings from Mexico
Thank you! I really appreciate it!
Mashiba swings his arm to create rhythm and then breaks that rhythm to attack, this way it's harder to know when the punch is coming.
Do more for hajime no ippo!! Bryan hawk vs takamura next!!
Already planning to ;)
And maybe ippo’s fight against Date. I’m really curious how realistic the paralyzing corkscrew punch is. And of course ippo’s fight vs sawamura for the analysis of the Dempsey roll and Dempsey roll 2.0.
So excited for Bryan vs Hawk though. I’ve been wanting an in depth, is it real analysis of hajime no ippo for ages!! You got yourself a new subscriber! ❤️
It’s been almost half a year. Where’s the video? :/
Already planning to my ass! It’s been nearly a year now. You lost yourself a subscriber.
You need boxing experts , not mma, that is a bad react for me
Mashiba's style is supposed to be based off of Thomas Hearns. Tommy "The Hitman" Hearns often would drop his left hand to deliver his flicking jabs; watch Hager vs. Hearns and you'll see that Hearns drops his left constantly.
You pick the wrong match scene.
That will lead him to judge anything in the anime fight series can't be represent in a real fight!
You must choose fighting between
SENDO VS VORG instead! or
IPPO vs VORG, EIJI DATE vs RICARDO
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Sendo vs Shigeta
The Author explained many techniques there
and it can be used in real life boxing definitely.
The fighting spirit of the character could be a good lesson
The flicker is done by building up momentum (by moving your arm back and fourth) and then 'flicking' out a jab. Or something along those lines.
It was really interesting seeing some experienced coaches review the show, but with all due respect, all the laughing about "negative comments" of the main protagonist coach and friends is just silly. There are more than one way of doing things. If your style as mma coaches is to be uplifting and positive all day, that's just great. Whatever works for you and it sure incourages larger numbers of athletes, fighters to sticm around in the gym since their fears and feelings are being babysit in such detail.
There are different schools pf coaching and what you call "negative energy" works just fine and has worked for millions of fighters along the centuries, from Japanese fighters in karate to Muay Thai fighters, Russian boxers etc. Do you think Buakaw Por Pramuk's coach didn't use "negative energy and comments"? Do you think Saenchai's coach had nothing but "positive energy"? Heck, Muay Thai fighters, nationals or foreign are down right abused and bullied in some Thai gyms and for quite a few it gets the results. It's not an approach for anyone. It's an approach that makes you aware of your shortcomings while giving you a solution to them and forging your character and fears along the way. You get warned, you might get scared and if you do, the solution you work on is going to make that fear useful. Cus D'Amato by the way employed the same type of "negative energy" tactics you all laugh about and hey, he only produced numerous champions and one of the most if not the most iconic boxers of all time, Mike Tyson who is actually the boxer who inspired the creator of this cartoon/anime to base the main character on.
So, in short: just because your personal coaching style is comfortable to you and your students and it is uplifting all the time and filled with "positive energy", doesn't mean other styles of coaching are to be laughed at and don't work.
Just my 2 cents.
I know I'm like four years late to this, but Mashiba is, like others have said, based on Tommy Hearns, and the back-and-forth swinging of his hand in preparation for his flicker seems to be based specifically on the second fight between Hearns and Leonard. Of course, Hearns's motions are less rhythmic and much faster; they're feints more than anything, but at times he does swing his hand back and forth a few times before throwing out the jab from below.
Very good video. First time I watch this channel anyway.
If you're comparing this serie with reality, would you be so kind to ask about two techniques that appears later in this anime? I mean, if those techniques exist or they are "reliable to do".
Those techniques should be:
Ippo's Dempsey Roll, and Volg's White Fang.
Also, you should talk about Takamura's diet before a fight. That's a really hard point of describe it.
Regards from Chile!
Thanks, great questions!
Theyre 100% right about the coaching but in the sense of writing for the show its to add dramatics to give the protag something to overcome imo
Yeah, something I love about Hajime no Ippo is that it's mostly realistic, while the unrealistic parts have tangible reasons: they're all there to improve the viewing experience. The visual flair, the internal monologue, even people hyping up Mashiba and psyching Ippo out are there for dramatic tension.
My heart broke when he called it a cartoon😞💔
Stop it is cartoon ainma means animation is cartoon
Can you have boxing coaches next?
Will do. Will ask him to take a look at Takamura vs Eagle or Hawk
@@MartialArtsJourney OMG THOSE ARE GOOD ONES, I CANT WAIT TO SEE THEIR OPINIONS!!
@@michaeljean2593 Me too! Which one do you think should be first?
@@MartialArtsJourney hmmmmm
The Hawk fight I think should go first because it brings up the concept of natural ability vs technique. Then there's the similarity between hawk and prince Naseem, and the epic rage moment Takamura unleashes is an interesting thing to react to.
@@michaeljean2593 Thanks. Great points
Also; most of the communication issues they find, they’re all translation problems. Some things just don’t translate from Japanese to English well, and dubbers just make it easier to understand in English but a lot of times it ends up being mistranslated
If Holyland had an Anime, I’d be recommending that. I think maybe there’s a live action drama you could show them instead? Dunno how faithful it is to the manga, though.
Alternatively... maybe Megalo Box? :p
God i wish holyland had an anime :/
One that's really interesting, and I'd like to hear the input of real fighters/trainers is the Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru (Minoru Kohinata, The Little Prince of Karate)... It only exists as a manga (no anime), but it's one that was completed a long time ago, though English translations are only now nearing the end of the series (total 500 chapters). The sequel manga, which is just called "Karate Shoukoushi Monogatari" (The Tale of the Little Prince of Karate), hasn't been translated yet, AFAIK.
The reason I ask is because that one's very much specifically about MMA, and portrays itself as pretty realistic. A number of the characters are based on real fighters as well (e.g. Samart Payakaroon, Saenchai Sor. Kingstar, Jean-Charles Skarbowsky)... There are some things that, like any manga/anime are a little unrealistic -- for instance, the main character, because he was originally a gymnast, uses a lot of high-flying kicks and doumawashi and so on -- but even as the series goes on, he grows out of it and starts using normal punches and kicks and shows a tiny bit of development on grappling. Even when it gets unrealistic, it's not unrealistic in the sense of "that's defying the laws of physics"; it's unrealistic in the sense that "that would practically never work in real life."
The series also has its fun little easter eggs. Every now and then you'll see another anime character make an appearance... Sailor Venus in a crowd, Vegeta in the gym, Jet Black in an audience, one fighter who apparently looked like Kazuma Kuwabara in his youth... also terminology from Ken'ichi and Naruto will make its way into the story, but they try to apply it to something real.
The modern martial artist did a great breakdown of the show too! He addresses the flicker jab.
I saw the video. Looks great
For people complaining about MMA fighters analyzing a boxing anime:
It's called Mixed Martial Arts. Mixed. Mix. As in they add boxing techniques to the mix.
Secret anime tech. This is amazing!
Mashiba's Flicker Jab was inspired off of Thomas Hearns, who also swung his arm back and forth like the character does.
man hearing the blaring jet engines would have been a major give away for the way they showed the dempsey roll in this anime. Getting it set up kinda becomes this anime's equivalent of what goku charging the spirit bomb in my humble opinion.
9:35 usually Ippo does a lot of speed changes during his roadwork though. Like normal running, then a sudden dash/sprint for a short distance and then going back to running/jogging. Btw if you only know the Anime I highly recommend the Manga to you (its still ongoing). Its far further down the story than the anime and the drawing style also developed through the years
You lost me at "japenese cartoon"
It is though.
Anime stands for animation.
So yeah japanese cartoon is pretty accurate tbh
Only retarded weebs would say it isn't a cartoon
@@reflexsc5834
cartoon is for kids.. Animation is general for all..
@@asip2274 cartoons are 7 and up
Any age.... general audience
Alright, so a few things here:
4:12 That's a Philly Shell. And Flicker Jabs are low power, quick jabs meant to keep your opponent at range and dig for openings. It works wonders with a Philly Shell or something similar. It looks almost like Floyd Mayweather's stance because Mayweather uses the Philly Shell.
Also, the targets are exposed, yes, but the Philly Shell is often used as an effective outfighting stance where the chin is protected by shoulder rolls and you use flicker jabs and movement to keep the opponent far enough from you to suffer from body shots.
A flicker jab is also not supposed to be whipped out in such an exaggerated manner as seen in the Anime. Floyd Mayweather primarily uses flicker jabs.
10:14 Changing angles that low and dashing in does work in boxing better than it does in MMA. However, if used sparingly, it works just fine in MMA as well. Just look at Anderson Silva dodging strikes with his deep, low ducks. Also, this is the exact way in which many grappling oriented MMA fighters counter punches by going for the double/single leg takedown.
14:54 That's called an Elbow Catch. It is often looked upon as a dishonourable technique in boxing since it destroys the opponent's fist if they threw a punch hard enough and if you can manage to catch it. It is, however, a completely legal move.
It is just as difficult to do in boxing as it is in MMA. Most schools just don't teach or train this for safety reasons. You can use it for upper body defense even in MMA, against punches, or even kicks, although it does have its own set of advantages and disadvantages. It's more like leg checking kicks. It is a difficult skill to master in any case. But it is a thing because people have done it in the past.
Baki The Grappler! next Rokas that is more MMA style, awesome series 👍👌👊
Done! th-cam.com/video/n32iwb0ayc8/w-d-xo.html
You can see how much love you have for Ippo and that is awesome. Enjoyed the video.
Compared to anime like Dragon Ball Z, Baki the Grappler or Naruto it essentially is realistic. The problem is if you make it too realistic, you won’t be able to show it on screen. So you have to exaggerate some moves. For example - Broken fist vs Bloody fist, definitely bloody fist would be easy to depict on screen
@Amu Cheeki I believe you can fly and do the Rasengen and can make clone during fights.
AGREED
I got *so* triggered when he called Hajime no Ippo a "cartoon"
No. Not really. Anime *is* Cartoon.
You ask mma "experts" to analyze boxing... Enough said
Thumbs down for the witch throwing up devil horns in the corner.
It's a shame how only season 1 was dubbed. Hajime no Ippo definitely deserved more
Are you really watching the dub?
Haha :D No, just used it for the comfort of filming :)
@@MartialArtsJourney thank god hahaja xd
:D
@@MartialArtsJourney i dont get how its for the comfort of filming because i cant stand the dub
Finn the Jake and Dog the Human Yup. Euthanasia should be a thing for certain type of people (joke)
The Modern martial artist channel (which is a boxing channel) did a short breakdown of the techniques used on Hajime no ippo and explains the boxers that used them in real life. Great channel, highly recommend!
*The only unrealistic thing about that fight*
Is when Ippo got the stupid idea of punching his opponent's elbow to break it.
It doesn't work that way haha!
You'd break your hands WAY faster than you'd break your opponent's elbow, punching it hard is only gonna inflict pain on yourself.
Dextruider yeah pretty oof he would have to hit the sides really fucking hard or hit the other side of the elbow really fucking hard to
Dextruider but he did break his hand before he broke his opponents elbow. Mishiba still had the use of his left arm by the time Ippo’s bones were sticking through his hand. Plus Ippo has unusual power and is insanely relentless.
@@chandlerkirkland475, even Mike Tyson wouldn't be stupid to punch anyone's elbow in a fight despite his intense power.
No decent fighter does that.
Exactly have u seen ip man 3?
Dextruider Like I said Ippo’s trait is that he is insanely relentless and the show is consistent in showing that part of his personality. The anime shows that Ippo is crazy early on when he has his first ever sparring match against Miyata and gets beaten damn near to death but keeps getting up and throwing the only combo he had (the 1-2). And when he was fighting Mashiba the only hit he could get was on that elbow. He kept going for it and shattered his own hand to the point of his bones sticking through the skin, which is a realistic end result. So him attacking Mashiba’s elbow like that is consistent with the personality he was shown to have.
I don't know if you knew, but the mangaka actually owns a gym and sometimes acts as a second on his gym's boxer's matches! The guy actually knows some stuff about boxing
I really wish there was an MMA anime, sad to see none.
Yeah... Doesn't look like it unfortunately. Would be awesome
Baki the grappler :)
Let's see Baki
Read a manga called Tough
I know a couple of MMA manga Teppu and All Rounder Meguru.
Fun fact is the creator of the series is an actual boxing coach
Next time watch the sub
actually ippo is peek a boo style user thats why he bends that much down
This video was really cool. Glad it was recommended to me
Thanks!
The guard the guy who uses the "flick jab" is called the Philly shell or crab style. like someone said below make no sense to have MMA experts who might have a limited boxing background. You can tell they have no idea about box just from say "oh that's the guard Mayweather uses".
The Origin Story
Oddly enough we can thank EA Sports Fight Night for essentially coining the term ‘The Philly Shell.” It is a variation on one of the most basic and oldest guards in boxing called the ‘Crab Style’ where the boxer essentially folds their arms bent at the elbows in front of their head/face to block and deflect punches. There really is no single creator of anything in boxing so to speak but it was the great Tommy Ryan who laid the foundation by understanding the importance of the ‘center-line. ‘Born in Redwood New York on March 31, 1870. Notoriously brutal on sparring partners he was World Welterweight and World Middleweight champion. He had 109 fights, 90 wins (70 by KO), only 6 losses and 11 draws. theunderdogsports.com/philly-shell-theory-technique/
The flicker jab
Hearns would flick his jab and circle to the inside like his hero Ali, pestering his adversary and taking a superior inside angle.
www.modernmartialartist.com/thomas-hearns-flicker-jab-chopping-cross-explained/
You should've had them review Baki The Grappler!
I'm not aware of the show! :O Sounds interesting, I'll look it up
@@MartialArtsJourney Check it out, but don't expect it to be realistic. There's a lot of bullshit fantasy science. It's great though - very over-the-top. And the original creator is a huge martial arts/fighting nerd so there's a lot of nods to real life martial arts despite it adventuring into the fantasy side.
@@linvega671 Haha, nice. What do you think about History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi?
@@MartialArtsJourney Haven't seen or read it yet. Probably should though.
@@MartialArtsJourney History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi... I just Googled it. All I have to say is... uh... boobies.
The guy who throws the flicker jabs has a real stance its real and effective its called the philly shell.
Theres a video on youtube comparing the real life techniques used by by real boxers. Just search it.
Edit: look for The real boxing techniques of hajime no ippo explained by the channel, The modern martial artist.
It's a great video
Out of all the other Boxers: Sendo (Smash), Dante (Corkscrew), Hayami (Shotgun), Saeki (Speed Star), Volg (White Fang)...... they chose Mashiba and his Flicker Jab.
Literally any other choice would have been a more interesting option for Expert Breakdown.
Well, better than nothing I guess.
Love this! Please more. Make sure to like this video guys.
Thank you! I am already looking into doing Baki The Grappler and Kenichi!
Done! th-cam.com/video/n32iwb0ayc8/w-d-xo.html
Love this! I would love to see another video like this! But get boxing experts next time if you can. You should show another fight from this series like the takamara vs hawk fight, wanna see how they react the unrealistic side of the series lol or another realistic fight, ippo vs sendo 1st fight, reaction to sendo unconscious fight or when ippo got the towel thrown on his fight. Just so much more fights to react lol more please!! lol👍🏼
Yawara inokuma . It’s an anime about judo
Would have been a really cool video if boxers reviewed the show.
From the ippo sub here great video !
Thank you!! I'm glad you made it here
Your first mistake was watching this in Dub instead of Sub. But appreciated coverage.
Ahhhh. The cringe when you call it a cartoon! Good video.
Ikr it’s anime 😂
The manga author is a boxing trainer himself. He also own a gym in Japan, that's why some of the scene is pretty realistic
Review Ashita No Joe
The rocking movement of his arm was a thing tomas hearns did to distract his opponent ippos opponents style is almost a carbine copy of hearns