How do the best shooters in the World resize their brass for maximum accuracy?
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- As you know, I ruffled a lot of feathers with this video when I told shooters to quit simply neck sizing their brass and F/L sizing with 0.002" shoulder bump was best. • STOP NECK SIZING YOUR ...
I decided to ask the pros how they size their brass to make sure it wasn't just me. There's always a possibility that what I believe is wrong, so I decided to go out and ask to make sure. Enjoy!
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That's my Dad! He is the best! Go Speedy Gonzalez!!!
I talked to him a couple days ago. We’re gonna do an interview with him for the channel. He has so much knowledge that must capture as much as I can on video. :)
I bet your Dad has taught you all kinds of stuff on reloading and shooting. Very cool.
Great guy. I usually visit him once a month at his shop.
Well then it begs the question, what gun do you shoot?
Speedy built my and my wife’s rifles. And she took a 6 hour private reloading class from him.
What an incredible group to have in one video, regardless of the question at hand!
None hesitated to answer Eric with the right answer, other than those who thought it was a trick question.
Whats more impressive is that you know all these guys achievements so well, pretty cool! Ok I'll try your way see how it goes for me. Enjoy your videos thank you!
After I watched your neck sizing video I instantly switched to full length and saw my groups fall from 1/2"+ to 1/5" with the same everything. Was not expecting that improvement!
I looked into this on my channel as well. People loose their mind on this subject. Thanks for sharing, as always.
Anytime. Thanks for watching.
Came here from BAR’s channel. Thanks for sharing info
20 years of reloading, I always thought neck sizing was the most important thing for accuracy in brass prep. I'm convinced I was wrong. However, I would like to know if there is a significant difference in the cheap dies I use, compared to their dies? Is neck sizing better than using a $30 full length die?
Canon Kroh if you are just a hunter, you can get away with using cheap reloading gear. If you are a competition shooter I believe that you only get the results that you pay for.
Btw I anneal (AMP) & full length resize every time.
@@ErikCortina Thanks Erik. There are plenty of us you're helping a great deal, I'm taking careful notes!
If people are mad and still questioning your advice Eric, I don’t think they want your help. Thank you and great video.
FL sizing all the way!!! Erik do more videos on your load development brass prep and reloading please..🙏🏻? It will help alot of the new shooters and maybe change a few minds...😉
Ditto.
as a guy who has shot BR for a long time - I've had a number of match winners over the years with my personal "best of match" being an 056 (6PPC at 100). when I got into the game, I was mentored "back in the day" to neck size only...as a result - that's all I have done with my BR gun and all my bolt guns - only FL sizing when they "needed" it. I must say that, I have been watching your videos...and you have really convinced me.... I need to change....and for the record - your videos never "made me mad"....I just needed to approach with an open mind, understand and embrace the paradigm shift. Thanks for what you do....attempt to do - help us to be better shooters. Who says an old dog can't learn.
God bless you Mr cortina for doing what you do and helping everybody out. since I've been watching your reloading videos I've been able to narrow my spread I've been able to get much more consistent terminal ballistics down range the video I watched recently with you in regards to not chasing the lands was brilliant
Great video. I've been reloading for 20 years but just started reloading for my AR10 6.5 cm. I feel almost like I just started reloading ! There's alot to learn.
Thanks for the videos
Really most impressed by how well you know all the shooters and their accomplishments!
Hi Erik, thank you so much for your videos, this one speaks for itself, I am only new to bench rest competition and of course re loading but in a very short time I have formed much respect for you, I am so grateful to you for the very VERY valuable experience that you are giving freely to us beginners, your clear, concise and highly experienced tuition is helping me through this very complex and steep learning curve and my enjoyment of this awesome sport is highly enriched by your knowledge.
I feel the same!
Ok, I believe you about the full length sizing because I'm not hard headed any more. But,can you tell me in a few words the reason it's better than just neck sizing? Alllll the reloading books and literature I've read state the opposite due to case bouncing around in the chamber basically. Thanks in advance. Wade
Best video ever. So good dude. This needed to be done. Thanks brother
Eric, I sincerely appreciate your video. Your honest sharing of information has been a great help to me. Ignore those criticism they are just bullying.
Great video! Thanks for sharing and taking the time to help all shooters! Now if this doesn’t change anyone’s mind I doubt anything will.
Great info Erik. Helps me understand in making a durable rifle and reliable loads
Loved Ninja, "We're supposed to size it?"
Thank you for another good video! I was smiling all the way through it.
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Erik, I just found your reloading show, the first time I was aware of you was on Off The Ranch when you built Matts Texas Barndamindium clubhouse. I was pleasantly surprised to see that you also have a reloading channel. I have only been reloading for a couple of years, turning 68 in another week, so who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks. I'm mainly reloading to cut down on the cost of ammo, that way I can shoot more, I've only tried 300 yds friendly competition a couple of times, and I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to viewing your older reloading shows. Thank you for taking the time to video and share your knowledge. I do a full length sizing.
Loved this video. Made it comical. I've only started reloading 2 yrs ago and have found your vids very helpful. Thank you.
If we as a shooting community do our very best to hear you and to listen to your decades of experience, we will all benefit. Your advice has made me a better shooter and a MUCH better reloader. The Marine Corps taught me to shoot, and you sir, you taught me the finer points of precision reloading. Consistency and reliability builds accuracy. Exhale, and slow steady squeeze my friend. Cannot thank you enough sir!
Thank you
This is awesome. Thank you for giving out solid information.
Excellent Eric, amazing video’s , always!
Thanks again. I guess i need to change my methods. More videos, please! You made my day!
This was awesome to see! Thanks Eric👍🏻
Erik i have been doing this method in my 65x47 and it made a huge difference in my accuracy.I will never neck size again thanks for the great info.
I'm fairly new to reloading and was glad to hear this on the S resizing dies and bump shoulder back 2 to 3 thousandths. I knew it needed to be done to be safe since I live in Hot Brazoria County Texas and here the cases Swell up pretty often due to our hit days.
Yep, I'm in Jackson Co. You have to F.L.S. your brass.
Some great content on here thanks for the content!
I only neck size using a lee collet die and don't even know how to use a FL size die. Would love to see a video from you on how to set it up to 2-3 thousandths.
As a relatively novice reloader when I entered the game of course I turned to internet for advice and research. I was looking for accuracy and read about neck sizing. Learned first run to the range that it wasn't the correct information! The first TH-cam video I watched was the "stop neck sizing your brass" by Eric Cortina. Never have I used a neck sizing die since, full length every time! No titles, no trophies, no medals heck not even a sticker! Thanks Mr. Cortina for the proper advice.
avid huntr1016
I’m glad you’re smart enough to listen. Good luck and may all your groups be one hole.
Hey Erik, great video hahaha! It was also refreshing, to see my rifle builder, in that line up!
Eric thank you,i am 67years old and i have been shooting for 59 years and i am like most people and i did believe that full length re seizing worked your brass but after banging my head against the wall for years and having split necks and tight in and out rounds and loose primer pockets i went to a full base body die every time I re load and at 2 thou shoulder bump i have been using the same lapua brass in 308 for 2 thousand rounds in f class standard and it is the only way to go for trouble free shooting.. All the best from Australia...jeff luck
Great video love ❤️ it , thank you for helping us reloaders , you are the best 🙂
Thank you so much for this video. With all these great knowledgeable people. I am just getting into reloading and the Lee book talks about how Neck sizing is great for accuracy as well as “Cases last 10 times longer than full length sized cases.” Thanks for setting me straight about Full Length Resizing.
Found this out accidentally years ago when I used to neck size then noticed improvement when I'd switch back to full length sizing since it was a practice to do it every so often anyway and I never went back...so there sits all my neck dies doing nothing...oh well
I’m just utterly amazed you knew all those guys accomplishments! I’m a believer, FL size all the time!
Thank you for making these videos
Se avessi guardato questo video prima avrei evitato un sacco di problemi e ipotesi assurde su come ricalibrare il solo colletto. Da ora solo full size! Thank's Erik!!
Glad I've been doing it right since the beginning... Thanks for this video. Epic.
Erik, can you please do a video on annealing next?!
Awesome Erik! Ive been .002 for 30 years, cheers!
Reuben Gullackson
Awesome! Thanks.
You’ve converted me!!......I’ve been nk sizing for decades but you’ve convinced me that FL sizing and a .002 headspace is more consistent, thx Eric!
Hank You’re welcome.
I was taught back in the 70s by an Army Armor and NRA High Power Rifle Champion to full length size and he cut .002 off the dye to set the shoulder back. Since then I have always full length sized with good consistent results.
You are spot on!
Full length factory die is already setting the shoulder back MORE than 0.002” so he was probably in the 0.005” range. But a good rifle and ammo will still shoot with this weird rattly round
@@georgeshorter142 You make it sound like 0.005 is some crazy amount tolerance. That's the thickness of a piece of printer paper.
You've convinced me good sir. New Sub and will definitely be FL sizing from now on.
Great video Erik, nothing like knowing how the top guys do it.
Any group of top athletes to be so approachable is simply a testament to how cool shooters are compared to other sports.
Amen
What kind of weird ass nonsense narrative you trying to push here? Lmao
@@jestes7 go try and approach a group of college football players out around town and start a conversation. You will see what I mean
@@irondiver292 Thanks for bringing that up. That's a part of the flaw in your logic. I'm not a well known college football player. I'd imagine they'd be just as cool to me if I were.
@@irondiver292 Also, you act as if this is a competition between sports. Like wtf? You think shooting is like some special master race sport or some crap? Like please.. lol such a weird mentality.
Love your videos Eric good job,I've been reloading for many years and always full length resize,one rifle of mine model 70 in 243 it's done heaps of work and still unless the die is set up per the instructions for the die set I'll get a firm but too tight for my liking bolt on chambering,we like shooting not messing around with tight or stuck rounds,so FLS is a must in my old rifle,each to there own I guess,also I loved your video on setting up for oal and seating depth in regards to the lands,who cares as long as it not jam and it shoots well👍couldn't agree more
Keep safe thanks again
thank you for clearing this hot topic up, i am going backto full lenght resize
I wish I discovered your videos earlier haha, I just started reloading and was far too impatient to do more research. I will be full length sizing more now.
Thank you for sharing. I was thought wrong or what was thought to be correct at time.
Eric, I have commented in your first video, (the video that made me subscribe) It's my favorite video to watch on the tube! Puts a smile on my face no matter how shitty the day I am having. I have to agree with a lot of posters that YOU should show us plebs how to set up that FL die please, also, what do you think of the Forster bushing neck sizing 'bump' die? PS: Your concrete channel rocks!
Thanks Eric!
Good info and I was about to pay for neck size dies but not now..getting alot of good info watching your channel on reloading before I get my feet wet
I use German Salazar’s 2 step method for everything. Using a custom FL die that sizes the body/shoulder & neck down a hair, then I finish off neck tension with LEE collect die. I feel with this method, turning brass is unneeded for my shooting needs as it produces match type ammo with very low levels of run out that is very accurate very for my ar15
Thanks Erik..........you have helped more ppl than you know!! Sorry you had to deal with ppl that don't like to change with the times...... Again Thank You
IHFarmer2007 thank you.
Great video. Thanks! Subscribed.
Thanks for this video. Makes sense. I have done both methods. But I have never competed.
Erik walking the line and filming some of the world's best shooters and reloaders call me a dumbass is my new worst nightmare.
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Ultimately it doesn't matter what they call you if your stuff works though.
What was most impressive to me was your instant knowledge of everyone's achievements. Also, it says something when everyone on the line steps up with a smile, which says to me that they too, respect you. Very cool!
So along with a Redding S die, I'll need an expander mandrel...what do you suggest? (.223)
Thank you for your guidance. I believe you!
Really nice interviewing and presentation.
I am 63 years old, I found out 50 years ago that full length case resizing was better, and I never look back. Kind sir you are 100% right 🇺🇸
That is a great presentation. Full all the way!!!
Great video I bought a neck sizing die. I like to use it on virgin brass. I am a cheapskate but if I could splurge bushing dies is the way to go. But I just shoot groundhogs so no need to spend alot there just having fun.
This was fist video I seen of Eric before subscribeing
What you should include is that all of the pros use custom reamed chambers so that the brass is worked to a minimum even when FL sizing. The said sizing dies are adjusted to only bump the shoulder around 1 to 2 thou anyway. Not even mentioning the few that even use custom sizing dies.
Buying a rifle off the shelf, like most normal people, is a bit of a lottery with regards to chamber dimensions. For the unlucky ones that get "generous tolerance" chambers, you either replace the brass regularly or risk head-case seperation, replace the barrel with a tighter chamber or neck-size the brass. Neck-sizing is cheaper.
Thanks Erik for the great video. I am not sure if I understood you right...
Is a Forster Bushing Bump NeckBench Rest® Sizing Die a good or a worse idea? You can put the shoulder back with them. Is it all about pushing back the shoulder or do you really need the FL die?
Thanks for your help!
I can't believe you are telling everyone to only neck size, oh, wait, I mean full length size. Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video, how many people can walk up to the top in class ask the most personal question and get an immediate answer? What I Learndid from my pawpaw was when he would look at some people an simply say,”you can’t fix stupid.” We would get a good laugh every time. You just made me hit that subscribe button tonight
Wish I had known this sport was that popular when I was younger. I love accurate shooting. Seeing all those Champs was cool❗👍
Thank you!
Thanks Erik for the heads up brother, Full Length Resize is the way to do it,
The market spoke to me when I started and was in the market for dies, every brand had at minimum 1 to 3 types of FL dies... neck sizing dies were far a few between. I thought to myself there must be a reason.
Thanks Erik .. great video here. I am a FL reloader myself. Curious, why did BR shooters use neck - sizing only for so long ?
Excellent video. I'm jus getting into reloading and your video answered my question on which die sets to buy. A video full of world class shooters with all the same answer is easier to make a decision than watching numerous videos.
Eric speaks the truth! Folks this really does work 100% FL w/ .002 bump, embrace the truth!
Great video
I Full length resize to ~0.002” under chamber headspace every time.
Sorry, but what does that mean, "under the chamber headspace"?
Is it, that you take your fired brass, measure it, and then bump the shoulder back .002", is that correct?
Already with once fired brass, or has it to be fired more times?
You're one hell of a shot as well!
Ouwkackemann that's what I do... I bump a few thousands more (.003-005") but I only load for gas gun.
@@Ouwkackemann your correct.
Thank you for the info..........from now on full length size it make s me feel stupid but there is a lot of bad info out there and it goes back for decades
The hall of fame in less than 12 minutes
Hello Erik...Thank you for the information . I saw your other video when it came out. Do you have a video how to proper adjust the FL sizing die?
Henry Aguero
No, but I’ll make one soon.
@@ErikCortina Thank you very much for the quick reply! 👍
Amazing!
Hi Erik. Thanks for this and the previous video on neck sizing. Based on these, I've stopped neck sizing only and see an all-round improvement in my groups and consistency over multiple reloads :)
My method is slightly different in that I use a Redding body die and then a Redding neck bushing die. This, I guess, does the same as the Type-S die, but in 2 operations and my neck runout is nearly unmeasurable.
Question - have you ever tested the Forster bushing bump dies which only size the neck and bump back the shoulder without resizing the body? It seems to me that these may offer an advantage in bullet concentricity with the bore.
Please keep producing your great educational and interesting videos! :)
Do not size brass without sizing the body. It will cause issues.
What you are doing is fine.
I started reloading with my old man when I was 7 years old. When he was explaining the different dies to me, he pointed to the neck sizing die & said, don't use those, ALWAYS full length size. Did that ever since, even when I started getting my own equipment & reloading on my own.
@erik cortina hey what would you suggest to reduce horizontal stringing.? And another question if you have more volume after 1st firing would you accommodate the extra volume say .1 grain?
Im a novice handloader and I had a bad experience with neck sizing only. I purchased a neck sizing die because of some videos I had seen. I ran some tests with FL sizing vs neck sizing and saw minimal difference in accuracy. Here is where neck sizing only was a problem for me...……..I loaded some rounds for hunting that were neck sized only and they chambered fine but about two months later I went to chamber one and it stuck. I thought it might be just the one round but 7 out of 10 of the hunting rounds were too tight to use. I will be shoulder bumping from now on.
This is an absolutely incredible video. Thanks for sharing! So much skill all in one place ...
Mate - my feathers are unruffled - you speak the truth! Thanks.
Dammit years ago i bought Redding Type S dies (neck sizing dies) after buying into the internet "knowledge " feeling dumb now.... I guess the one saving grace item is the sets came with body dies so it appears I still might be ok but it has added another step to my ocd loading procedure. After years of trial and error admittedly I am still learning. New sub here and appreciate the content, anxious to learn.
Very awesome!
Keep the videos coming.
I'll try.
Hello Eric, Great topic. I’m wondering, all these pros ... are they using standard FL dies like the average Joe buys (RCBS, Redding, etc) or are their dies custom made with tight FL specs for the chamber of the rifle they shoot?
I bet you noone there uses $50 cheap full lenght dies.
Wow Thanks for the video ... Lou Merdica, been a long time since competing with him at the Cactus .. Great guy!
Eric,
What brand fl die do you use? What is your chamber die reamer specs vs the dies reamer specs. My point is when you have a commercial mass produced FL die bushing die or not compared to say your match chambered 284 Win or 7rsaum. That die is going to size the body down much more than needed. I am not speaking of the shoulder bump. That is a given it should be done. But the dies size down the body diameter too much.
Now if you have a custom die based off your chamber reamer but 0.004-5 less to account for spring back giving you 0.002 clearance. Basically you want the body to fit with j7st enough room to allow for expansion and spring back after firing for a clean unchambering. No clicks from not enough base sizing. Or tge very best choice is to fire 3 case 3 times full loads and send them off to Mr Warner and have him make his die for you. Then do the same for everything else you handload and he will make the custom inserts for that same die body.
Do you agree that for the best fit and consistency the FL die should be Spec'd off the chambers specs or even viseversa Pojt being the chamber and the die should be related in specs. Not just a universally say a 6mmCreedmoor die tgats made off the min SAAMI ammo spec but off the specific reamer that made your chamber. It's why IMO it's worth dropping to coin on that first Warner FL Die and going forward buying the inserts for other cases. 3 full power load firings with only sizing the neck will give a case that is a very good inverse match to the chamber i.e. a slip fit in terms of body diameter spec fit. This gets you a die that sizes only the min needed for 100% reliable cycling not more. Mark Warner knows his stuff in so many areas of precision shooting but IMO no one touches him when it comes to die making & design.
I've learned to listen to people with hands on experience. It'll save you time, money, and possible injury regardless of the type of advice. At work I'd take the job advice of a 24 year old who's been doing the job for 4 years over the 30 year old who's been there 1 year.
Exactly! I do this for all my rifles.
Im just a reloader and a shooter who has never competed. But I have always full length sized. Nice to know Im in good company.
Using a rifle that cost almost $10,000, a powder dispenser that cost $5,000, and a rifle rest that cost almost $1,000 I find it hard to believe that you would desecrate it by using a Saami-spec chamber! Tell you what , settle the argument. ....Get an off the shelf Walmart gun and do a video on neck sizing vs. Full length in it! Because that's what the majority of people out there are using. Then compare it to shooting neck size from your custom gun.
And while you're at it, use something other than premium brass, team Lapua! Maybe Remington or Winchester like the rest of us.
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How will that settle anything?
I have compared neck sizing to F/L sizing in my competition rifles. I used what worked best in testing as do all these other guys I interviewed. You can do your own testing in your rifle and do what works best for you. Use good components, no need to hinder your loads with cheap components.
Erik Cortina please start specifying in your sizing videos that everyone is basing their answer on their $10,000 competition rifles. Then you'd be speaking the truth! Man up Amigo.
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