It bothers me that Chopard made an effort to claim that they took extra effort to ensure the screws are aligned symmetrically around the dial. But clearly it's not. Some are better while some are worse (like this example).
@@gyang333 I think you missed the point of what Chopard meant. If you analyse what they’re indicating is they use real screws on the bezel and make a ‘painstaking’ effort to align. Can AP or PP say the same of Royal Oak or Nautilus? No they cannot, so Chopard are already scoring points against ultra high end players in a subliminal way. In fact it’s even better that the screws don’t align the same on every Alpine Eagle watch, so each piece is then unique, and not just another clone. Sounds like a clever bit of marketing on a genuine Swiss masterpiece in my book.
@@gyang333 it's clear to me that they've tried to align the screw heads. Maybe that's the best the could do. Maybe the machinery used to create those threads inside the bezel are the limiting factor. I think it's cool, I think it's interesting and I would support them if I had the budget.
I have this Alpine Eagle for a year. Became my daily and never get bored from it. Low profile, high quality (insanely accurate) and what's most important, it's freakin' beautiful. Could have equipped with better movements like LUC. But still, a very impressive steel sports watch.
Good report, but why did you have it for only 1 year? If I praised a watch like that it means heirloom material, and my son would be it’s next guardian after I’m gone. Also what did you mean by ‘insanely accurate’ then ‘Could have equipped with better movements like LUC’? Seems contradictory, unless you’re referring to slimness of movement profile or simply with the aesthetics of the view of movement through the sapphire case back.
The blue dial on the Chopard AE is absolutely sublime. This watch has to be tried on to appreciate the exquisite quality, like I did at an AD whilst on holiday. Good thing the dial was the Grey sunburst that I tried, if it was this blue dial I would’ve angered my family by spending all my holiday money on a deposit and bought it on the spot 😂
Yup, I'm leaning more towards Chopards and Dietrichs now days, that Dietrich SD-1 🍯 🐝 honeycomb is 🔥, especially the tropical green one...Just wish they made the SD-1 in 40 or 41mm, it's a 38.5 mm.
I'm finding myself more and more drawn to brands like Chopard and Piaget - true watch manufacturers who have somehow bypassed the mainstream collectors for now. If I'm honest, it's Chopard's LUC line that interests me more from their technical movements and exemplary craftsmanship, but this Alpine Eagle has got me rethinking their other watches. The Nautilus is just a pipedream now... Sad story, but a few years ago I had the chance to buy a blue dial Nautilus, at retail, for about £18,500. I had to pass at that time, it would have wiped out my savings. But if I'd known then what I know now... Bye-bye mortgage 😭
Have had the Chopard AE for about a week now. It is absolutely fantastic. A Rolex DJ is in the same price range but was looking to expand outside of Rolex. Having said that." Would love a Nautilus but couldn't ever justify the $100K grey market price on it. Great review as always!!
Wait till you see the lucent steel in person. I tried it on before, and thought the dial would be the most attention grabbing thing. But the lucent steel stole the show for me, it's just so much brighter than any of the other SS watches I have.
@@direction_west thanks Leslie! But Cape Town is a little far from Singapore 😆. My AD can get it but there’s a month’s wait and the discount is a lot slimmer now.
This makes me happy to my watch (Alpine Eagle) featured! I love waking up and voila, there she blows!! And to see it vs. a 5711 awesomeness. It’s happened this way 2x now. First the individual watch review a couple weeks ago, now the comparison; thanks, Tim! I also own one of the 20 piece Laureato (black dial, blue indices & seconds hand). As much as I like the bombastic approach of getting the “heavy-hitters”, high-key, I throughly enjoy having a great under the radar piece, more…if you know, you know, type of vibe.
I think the Alpine Eagle is incredibly underrated. The overall look is brilliantly put together. Liked it so much I bought one and it now gets the majority of wrist time. Looks like the Nautilus and royal oak? Certainly shares some similarities, but it really looks like an evolution of the St. Moritz. The nautilus and Royal Oak have just become very dated. This watch looks fresh. Can't understand why this watch isn't in higher demand - it will be...
Just remember the dark side of owning a Patek. First, they think that they own your watch. You'll understand that comment when you own a few. Second, they won't re-polish the Nautilus cases anymore. They decline nearly every request. The work is simply too great for them. You'll need to send to one of the high end refinisher/restorers. A shame really. They want this to be their "Sport" watch. Yet they cater to people who leave them in vaults.
The Chopard Alpine Eagle is so much nicer its not even close !!!!!! It has perfect balance of being gorgeous but yet masculine at the same time. Its steel shines brilliantly like gold yet harder then steel. Super high end looking and felling, great movement, great power reserve but yet decently priced. The Chopard Alpine Eagle is best watch on the market !!!!!!!
If not the name on the dial and the movement I would go Chopard without any doubt. Much, much better looking watch. It is absolutely stunning in person. However movement dissapoints a little. Chopard is capable of making movements at Patek level, and they should do it in Alpine Eagle too, even for higher price tag.
Honest would be the chopard for me. Many people would go for the patek only on the fact it’s got a huge return on profit. I feel there aren’t many true watch enthusiasts around. For many it’s just how much it’s worth on the grey market
Now,.. I’d like to see an Aquanaut vs a Polo face off. They’re so closely stylistically matched and both from great pedigrees that I think it would be fascinating. I’m secretly rooting for the Polo.
I liked the Polo S ever since it came out - far more so in person than in pictures or videos. The asymmetry of the bezel, polished bezel edge, and crystal, to me, make it much more art-deco themed than nautically themed like the Nautilus. I would like to see Piaget use a screw-down crown. But other than that, I think the Polo S is a highly underrated watch.
Great in-depth comparison. The fact is 99% of us will never have a chance to buy the Nautilus probably speaks for itself. I love the Alpine Eagle's dial, and would like to see Chopard add several more colors.
Bravo Tim Mosso👏......and I could not agree w/ you more. Either way, I would take the Chopard, handsdown. Honestly, I find the Nautilus to be a bit to svelte on the wrist, but that's just me
Truly a worthy competitor to the Patek Nautilus, more so I'm very proud and privileged to have several of these stunning timepieces instore (BHH Cape Town) Also this is a fantastic video, keep it up.. Just clicked subscribed and liked.
To me the Chopard gained an extra dimension when I was shown that it matched up with Chopards "Ice Cube" jewellery collection. Not only is there then an opportunity to match your wifes jewellery with your watch or her jewellery with her own Alpine Eagle, but you also get a new perspective on that design.
I really like that Alpine Eagle’s dial. I’d like to see equivalent versions in green and red. And if they wanted to make a sportier version, do the bezel in ceramic, both brushed and polished just like the metal bezel version, in a ceramic color that matches the dial color, Omega Constellation-style.
I had a craze for the Nautilus for about a month but it's not that great a work of art and would actually be boring to look at. The Chopard is smart yet dynamic. Quite cyberpunk or the sort of thing the tragic elite heads in Gibson's novels might wear. Perhaps someone could do a four figure watch that acts like a Reverso but with a smart watch on the other side.
CHOPARD is so good. I was looking up homage watches I could get or Sieko mods. But I saw the CHOPARD and I was only interested in that watch. I didn’t really care anymore about anything else. I’ve been researching this watch for three weeks daily.😂
I think chopard has enough of it's own design features to not be called a homage, and the dial is just mind blowing and looks just as good as patek but lean more towards sporty rather than the dressy nautilus. I just wish the eagle was a little more thinner if not as thinner as nautilus
Chopard apparently has a rose gold and two tone variation of the Alpine Eagle. The dial comes in grey and blue and now red. There is a regular and chronometer version. The price makes it worth much less than the Nautilus. However the price just keeps going up on the Nautilus, so it it a great investment.
If Grandson of LUC had a child; it would still be a family/independently owned… Chopard took the time to focus a lot on details down to the screws so I’ll have to give it to Alpine Eagle. But if I’m acquiring to flip then Nautilus all the way!
If i did not know the price. The Chopard. Without hesitation. If i knew the price, the Chopard, so I can do something more constructive with the money saved. If everybody knows the price. The Patek. So you can show everyone how wealthy you are. Much like why everybody wants this watch.
@@SunsetSheen its a great watch ! But mine is 36 mm its very flat and still a heavy watch since its made of 18k gold. Its not a everydays watch. But i am very happy with it very high quality piece and the warm bright look in the sun is just amazing! I am going to purchase a steel modell as well but waiting for another dial colour to be released 🙈☺️or tune it with some after market sapphires on the bezel?🙄🙄🤷♂️
@@watchmanplain5780 great choice on the 36. I actually like the smaller one much better, both for the size and also the cleaner dial without the date window. Strongly considering the 2 tone but my only apprehension is that the bracelet barely tapers. Do you know the width at the lug, and also what it tapers down to at the clasp?
@@SunsetSheen sadly i dont know the exact sice of the lug to lug. For the tone tone model i can tell u that i personally didnt liked the silver screws on the bezel, made the whole watch unbalanced, but i recommend u to try it on before u buy it. But design wise i would say its a great unisex piece it has a strong male and female site. I am just 30 and wear it with street wear. So i dont think it will make you look too old, so dont worry;) but for sure its an elegant watch.
Many people complain about the value and street sale price of this watch but it is selling on the same principle why RM sells. Its instantly recognizable and everyone knows it goes for an absurd price . But, that is what the the majority of the new generation of Patek owners are looking for, ability to flaunt the price aspect. It wouldn't sell nearly as well if it was priced to be commensurate with the material, finishing, or technology. Yes, its a legendary design but if we are being honest, there is nothing special about the finishing or technology used in this watch in comparison to others in the same retail ballpark or even fractions. It sells because celebrities wear it, rap about it, and priced absurdly and Patek has according sold out to cater to these targeted clients.
I honestly do not understand these prices for some watch brands. The prices for the Patel makes me want to barf as a value investor. It is entirely driven by people playing status games.
That dial on the Alpine Eagle is virtuoso performance by Chopard. they could justify making the watch just as a vessel to display that dial. And yeah, Genta created the first "homage" Watch. He gets a pass because it's a homage to himself. LOL good show
I like the Alpine Eagle it needs the LUC movement and maybe just leave off the extra bit on the side of the case that isn't necessary. Would also love to see more dial options.
@@TheDrewski88 just personal preference from a design standpoint. The GP is the best of the three in terms of heritage, and the movement is outstanding on them. I think all too often we lose why we buy crazy watches in the fist place - for the look, because we like them. Why is Rolex king, for instance? Because ppl are wrapped up in what other ppl think about their watch and public perception in general, when in actuality - nobody *really* cares. That's why the old saying 'buy what u like' is underutilized in today's market. JLC is my favorite brand for this exact reason. They check all my boxes while flying ever so slightly under the radar.
While I agree the Chopard is noticeably larger than the Nautilus, I don't think it wears larger than it suggests. In my opinion, it wears true to size, and perhaps even slightly smaller. The Nautilus just wears really, really well.
These big watch brands need to do the Skeletor back. you can tell that they don’t want to be like any other brands or they’re probably just jealous but imagine getting a nice Rolex and the back of it just says Rolex stainless steel waterproof. You can’t even see the movements I would get a Sieko mod instead of a real rolex. Is better because the skeletal background you could see the movement when you take it off your wrist that’s like the coolest thing to me
The price of the Nautilus is ridiculous, point by point the Chopard is better; I like it a lot more and I don't care if a seller loses money; the bubble will only harm a few ...
The Patek is the best of the Genta designs for me, but I could not countenance what Patek charge for it, not even at retail never mind aftermarket. I think the Chopard is a fine effort in many respects. It's a pity they decided to use the screws because the fact that they don't line up would probably drive me mad over time. I would prefer if the bezel had been secured from behind. I've seriously considered an Alpine Eagle but, contrary to your view Tim, I find the grain on the dial a bit overdone. A bit like the screws, it's a design feature that tries too hard, whereas the Patek has an effortless quality to it that I really like. Sadly, it's a quality that is negated by the price.
They are screws not bolts. It's impossible to line up screws. RO has bolts, Chopard has screws. Although, I agree with you, misaligned screws drive me crazy as well, but we can't do anything about it.
@@Innovativeindustries to do that, they are gonna need another batch of screws under side the case, now these screws won't line up. And the bolts on the bezel will line up. If they do that, they will be called out for copying RO. So no brands usually go in that direction of aligning screws
Actually, historically that is correct. A steel sports watch that is more expensive than a complicated gold watch. That was exactly what GG originally designed and the brands planned to bring to market. For me? If you want to show you have money enough. Please buy something interesting. Impress me not with money, but with taste and consideration
Money no object, Patek, my money, Chopard. The Chopard is 90% of the Patek for 10.9% of the price. So if you want to make this fair it should be 1 Nautilus to 10 Alpine Eagles.
I don't know that anyone would say the differences or improvements are worth even the retail difference let alone gray market. The Chopart is more sporty with the case dimensions as well as more elegant with design and overall more interesting in general. It has a lot more going on with indices and screws and dial but not so much that it takes away from it at all or that it just screams for attention.
Yeah at current price of two I can’t see how one would choose 5711, unless you are a Patek diehard fan. Look very similar. Both brands are legit makers but both lack brand recognition among general public. If you want to impress, none of these two models is good. If you just wear for what it is, the Chopard one is as good as 5711, with a much lower price.
Is the Patek the Emperors new clothes in this company. Lovely watch but the movement could be considered almost prehistoric and badly in need of an update.
I love the Chopard dial but have to say all the other elements look a little clunky to me whereas the Nautilus has an integrity which is pleasing but no way would I pay $100k for it.
Nothing against you personally, but it's really funny to see people say that about the Nautilus, when not even 10 years ago, people didn't vibe with the Nautilus design at all.
@@blessedlion5329 It unfortunately resembles something that you would see on AliExpress, where someone thought it would be a great idea to combine all of the most popular luxury brands into one watch. Et voila the royal nautilus, ingenieur overseas on oyster, Speedmaster bracelet. Having said all of that other than the markers I do actually like the dial.
Back in the fall of 2001 I had the opportunity to buy a used PPN 3700 with box & papers for 7000€ plus my 16600 in a WEMPE store in Hamburg but having just started my 3 year WOSTEP watchmaking education and with a girlfriend and 7 month baby back home it just didn´t make sense at the time. Note to younger me; "F*cking buy it already" As late as 2012 getting a 20% discount on any AP-RO was pretty much standard and once in Barcelona I had 6 of them in different sizes and dial colors lying on the desk front of me at an AD. Another note to younger me; "If you leave without at least one of these watches your an even bigger idiot now then back in 2001"
The Nautilus design makes my stomach churn. It looks like a 70's TV set which is dorky. Another thing - the corner facets on the crystal annoy me as it's not quite round but not very jagged either. It's so subtle that it looks like an imperfection.
Always enjoy your Vs videos and this one speaks to me. Am contemplating the Alpine Eagle but hoping they will make a green dial one...for less than $450009😂
Been a while since I watched a review of the 5711. Such an incredibly ugly watch. Honestly, if you strip away the hype it looks like an old TV set, the bracelet is flimsy and the date disc stands out like a sore thumb. Plus the movement is low end for Patek - nothing close to their 240 micro-rotor. The Chopard is obviously the copycat but is executed with a much more contemporary look and feel and the dial is wonderful. The 5711 is worth its retail price and no more. Amazing what hype, social media and rappers can do!
Couldn’t agree more about the patek’s date complication. Such a poorly executed date window. Unframed date window, cuts into the minute track, date disc is white, and it’s not properly aligned with the other indices. I don’t get all the hype.
Well, it isn’t being made anymore so there is that. It’s now down simply to hype, supply and demand to dictate the price. No way would I pay even $30k for a 5711. It’s dated to the point of being ugly and doesn’t even include a great dial or movement to help its cause.
@@ericn2206 it's a comparison video based entirely on specs and personal opinion of the viewers, dummy. I'm aware of the Nautilus market. The same watch was 25G's the day before yesterday prior to Drake and the boys ditching their Rolex crowns. If a piece is relatively comparable to something else, it shouldn't be 10% of the cost. That alone shows you the bubble is artificially inflated by fake scarcity on the part of Patek, and the greed of the 2nd hand market.
Just because you can’t afford something doesn’t make it laughable in any way. Marketing…. Is it Patek who asks 110k? No. They never did. Never. So GTFU
For me the Chopard Alpine Eagle is a modern steel sports watch marvel. It is sad many people do not consider Chopard a horology heavyweight.
It bothers me that Chopard made an effort to claim that they took extra effort to ensure the screws are aligned symmetrically around the dial. But clearly it's not. Some are better while some are worse (like this example).
@@gyang333 I think you missed the point of what Chopard meant. If you analyse what they’re indicating is they use real screws on the bezel and make a ‘painstaking’ effort to align. Can AP or PP say the same of Royal Oak or Nautilus? No they cannot, so Chopard are already scoring points against ultra high end players in a subliminal way. In fact it’s even better that the screws don’t align the same on every Alpine Eagle watch, so each piece is then unique, and not just another clone. Sounds like a clever bit of marketing on a genuine Swiss masterpiece in my book.
@@gyang333 is anyone else managing this feat? On a model that's roughly same price?
@@shuycg No, but no one else is claiming to do so. I don't know why that's some selling point? I don't care that screws are not aligned (in general).
@@gyang333 it's clear to me that they've tried to align the screw heads. Maybe that's the best the could do. Maybe the machinery used to create those threads inside the bezel are the limiting factor. I think it's cool, I think it's interesting and I would support them if I had the budget.
I have this Alpine Eagle for a year. Became my daily and never get bored from it. Low profile, high quality (insanely accurate) and what's most important, it's freakin' beautiful.
Could have equipped with better movements like LUC. But still, a very impressive steel sports watch.
Yeah, I wish the movement was better. Debating getting it now. I love the steel they used. Looks like white gold. Which color face did you get?
Good report, but why did you have it for only 1 year? If I praised a watch like that it means heirloom material, and my son would be it’s next guardian after I’m gone. Also what did you mean by ‘insanely accurate’ then ‘Could have equipped with better movements like LUC’? Seems contradictory, unless you’re referring to slimness of movement profile or simply with the aesthetics of the view of movement through the sapphire case back.
You said you never got bored of it yet only had it for a year?
@@jeremyeagles3237 He never answered when I asked the same, maybe he lost his job, went broke and had to sell it.
@@Pulsonar yeah possibly. Doesn’t matter to me I just wanted to understand where he is coming from.
I got my chopard alpine eagle in blue couple days ago and it’s more beautiful in person. Got a lot of compliments every time.
The blue dial on the Chopard AE is absolutely sublime. This watch has to be tried on to appreciate the exquisite quality, like I did at an AD whilst on holiday. Good thing the dial was
the Grey sunburst that I tried, if it was this blue dial I would’ve angered my family by spending all my holiday money on a deposit and bought it on the spot 😂
The Nautius looks cheap next to the Chopard. Sad, but true.
Exactly!
Especially the logo. I own the Calatrava and the PP logo looks like something from a Chinese $50 special.
Agreed
Yup, I'm leaning more towards Chopards and Dietrichs now days, that Dietrich SD-1 🍯 🐝 honeycomb is 🔥, especially the tropical green one...Just wish they made the SD-1 in 40 or 41mm, it's a 38.5 mm.
Opinions are not facts. Facts!
You do the best watch reviews on TH-cam. Knowledgeable, no nonsense and drily hilarious. Always a joy. Thanks for what you do.
I'm finding myself more and more drawn to brands like Chopard and Piaget - true watch manufacturers who have somehow bypassed the mainstream collectors for now. If I'm honest, it's Chopard's LUC line that interests me more from their technical movements and exemplary craftsmanship, but this Alpine Eagle has got me rethinking their other watches. The Nautilus is just a pipedream now...
Sad story, but a few years ago I had the chance to buy a blue dial Nautilus, at retail, for about £18,500. I had to pass at that time, it would have wiped out my savings. But if I'd known then what I know now... Bye-bye mortgage 😭
Have had the Chopard AE for about a week now. It is absolutely fantastic. A Rolex DJ is in the same price range but was looking to expand outside of Rolex. Having said that." Would love a Nautilus but couldn't ever justify the $100K grey market price on it. Great review as always!!
I'm placing my order for the Chopard ...... that dial is simply beautiful. Plus it's safer to wear it outside.
Quite a few muggings of PP in London recently
Wait till you see the lucent steel in person. I tried it on before, and thought the dial would be the most attention grabbing thing. But the lucent steel stole the show for me, it's just so much brighter than any of the other SS watches I have.
@@rousseau327 Chopard has a price increase effective tomorrow, I believe. My AD can’t get me the stock at existing price 😢
@@direction_west thanks Leslie! But Cape Town is a little far from Singapore 😆. My AD can get it but there’s a month’s wait and the discount is a lot slimmer now.
Great choice enjoy
I LOVE this series - keep 'em coming!
Couldn't agree more with your final determination, sir! Chopard for me, please.
This makes me happy to my watch (Alpine Eagle) featured! I love waking up and voila, there she blows!! And to see it vs. a 5711 awesomeness. It’s happened this way 2x now. First the individual watch review a couple weeks ago, now the comparison; thanks, Tim! I also own one of the 20 piece Laureato (black dial, blue indices & seconds hand). As much as I like the bombastic approach of getting the “heavy-hitters”, high-key, I throughly enjoy having a great under the radar piece, more…if you know, you know, type of vibe.
I think the Alpine Eagle is incredibly underrated. The overall look is brilliantly put together. Liked it so much I bought one and it now gets the majority of wrist time. Looks like the Nautilus and royal oak? Certainly shares some similarities, but it really looks like an evolution of the St. Moritz. The nautilus and Royal Oak have just become very dated. This watch looks fresh. Can't understand why this watch isn't in higher demand - it will be...
I ordered one as well as soon as i got it i will upload first video here so excited :D its such a nice watch!
Let's be glad that the watch isn't in such high demand. If only we humans didn't think so stupidly.
Just remember the dark side of owning a Patek. First, they think that they own your watch. You'll understand that comment when you own a few. Second, they won't re-polish the Nautilus cases anymore. They decline nearly every request. The work is simply too great for them. You'll need to send to one of the high end refinisher/restorers. A shame really. They want this to be their "Sport" watch. Yet they cater to people who leave them in vaults.
This is a brilliant review Tim…full of added value and good input. Thank you
The Chopard Alpine Eagle is so much nicer its not even close !!!!!! It has perfect balance of being gorgeous but yet masculine at the same time. Its steel shines brilliantly like gold yet harder then steel. Super high end looking and felling, great movement, great power reserve but yet decently priced. The Chopard Alpine Eagle is best watch on the market !!!!!!!
Maybe it’s different in person, but the nautilus dial can’t even hold a candle to the alpine eagles dial.
If not the name on the dial and the movement I would go Chopard without any doubt. Much, much better looking watch. It is absolutely stunning in person. However movement dissapoints a little. Chopard is capable of making movements at Patek level, and they should do it in Alpine Eagle too, even for higher price tag.
Totally agree!
Honest would be the chopard for me. Many people would go for the patek only on the fact it’s got a huge return on profit. I feel there aren’t many true watch enthusiasts around. For many it’s just how much it’s worth on the grey market
Nice job on the comparison Tim! As for the question of which to buy......is there really any need to ask?
that chopard is criminally underrated
Now,.. I’d like to see an Aquanaut vs a Polo face off. They’re so closely stylistically matched and both from great pedigrees that I think it would be fascinating. I’m secretly rooting for the Polo.
I liked the Polo S ever since it came out - far more so in person than in pictures or videos. The asymmetry of the bezel, polished bezel edge, and crystal, to me, make it much more art-deco themed than nautically themed like the Nautilus. I would like to see Piaget use a screw-down crown. But other than that, I think the Polo S is a highly underrated watch.
@@jumboJetPilot I agree. I think it’s a great watch.
Great in-depth comparison. The fact is 99% of us will never have a chance to buy the Nautilus probably speaks for itself. I love the Alpine Eagle's dial, and would like to see Chopard add several more colors.
The red dial is the best. It's limited edition
Bravo Tim Mosso👏......and I could not agree w/ you more. Either way, I would take the Chopard, handsdown. Honestly, I find the Nautilus to be a bit to svelte on the wrist, but that's just me
Chopard did a great job overall, but it's just that the date window at 4 o'clock was quite out of place for a simple dial.
Truly a worthy competitor to the Patek Nautilus, more so I'm very proud and privileged to have several of these stunning timepieces instore (BHH Cape Town) Also this is a fantastic video, keep it up.. Just clicked subscribed and liked.
To me the Chopard gained an extra dimension when I was shown that it matched up with Chopards "Ice Cube" jewellery collection. Not only is there then an opportunity to match your wifes jewellery with your watch or her jewellery with her own Alpine Eagle, but you also get a new perspective on that design.
The Alpine is a Very nice alternative to the Nautilus. Great job as always Tim.
Absolutely, the Girard Perregaux Laureato too.
Great review but I prefer the GP Laureato over both of them and I also have a 5711.
At 3 times as much retail, the Patek should be offering more
Chopard all the way, the dial is great!
Chopard is much more visually appealing.
I really like that Alpine Eagle’s dial. I’d like to see equivalent versions in green and red. And if they wanted to make a sportier version, do the bezel in ceramic, both brushed and polished just like the metal bezel version, in a ceramic color that matches the dial color, Omega Constellation-style.
They made a red dial version and it looks like an asshole
@@MrCliteatswood What kind of bleeding assholes are you used to seeing?
@@MrCliteatswood ummm, no. That’s the brown dial version.
I had a craze for the Nautilus for about a month but it's not that great a work of art and would actually be boring to look at. The Chopard is smart yet dynamic. Quite cyberpunk or the sort of thing the tragic elite heads in Gibson's novels might wear. Perhaps someone could do a four figure watch that acts like a Reverso but with a smart watch on the other side.
In practise with my limited budget, it will be Chopard
I d like to see a comparison between the chopard and a laureato 👍
CHOPARD is so good. I was looking up homage watches I could get or Sieko mods. But I saw the CHOPARD and I was only interested in that watch. I didn’t really care anymore about anything else. I’ve been researching this watch for three weeks daily.😂
I think chopard has enough of it's own design features to not be called a homage, and the dial is just mind blowing and looks just as good as patek but lean more towards sporty rather than the dressy nautilus. I just wish the eagle was a little more thinner if not as thinner as nautilus
@AM Conquer is a homage created by the same designer still a homage? He kinda gets a pass because Genta designed both watches.
Chopard apparently has a rose gold and two tone variation of the Alpine Eagle. The dial comes in grey and blue and now red. There is a regular and chronometer version. The price makes it worth much less than the Nautilus. However the price just keeps going up on the Nautilus, so it it a great investment.
If Grandson of LUC had a child; it would still be a family/independently owned… Chopard took the time to focus a lot on details down to the screws so I’ll have to give it to Alpine Eagle. But if I’m acquiring to flip then Nautilus all the way!
Price no issue I like the patek
I really like the Alpine Eagle on a rubber strap
Check out the chrono version. It is stunning.
Chopard at the end of the day is just as attractive with great specs- if I could afford I’ll take both😅great review as always Tim!
If i did not know the price. The Chopard. Without hesitation. If i knew the price, the Chopard, so I can do something more constructive with the money saved. If everybody knows the price. The Patek. So you can show everyone how wealthy you are. Much like why everybody wants this watch.
Excellent review/comparison.
I purchased mine :) in rose gold
How have you liked it so far?
@@SunsetSheen its a great watch ! But mine is 36 mm its very flat and still a heavy watch since its made of 18k gold. Its not a everydays watch. But i am very happy with it very high quality piece and the warm bright look in the sun is just amazing! I am going to purchase a steel modell as well but waiting for another dial colour to be released 🙈☺️or tune it with some after market sapphires on the bezel?🙄🙄🤷♂️
@@watchmanplain5780 great choice on the 36. I actually like the smaller one much better, both for the size and also the cleaner dial without the date window.
Strongly considering the 2 tone but my only apprehension is that the bracelet barely tapers. Do you know the width at the lug, and also what it tapers down to at the clasp?
@@SunsetSheen sadly i dont know the exact sice of the lug to lug. For the tone tone model i can tell u that i personally didnt liked the silver screws on the bezel, made the whole watch unbalanced, but i recommend u to try it on before u buy it. But design wise i would say its a great unisex piece it has a strong male and female site. I am just 30 and wear it with street wear. So i dont think it will make you look too old, so dont worry;) but for sure its an elegant watch.
Many people complain about the value and street sale price of this watch but it is selling on the same principle why RM sells. Its instantly recognizable and everyone knows it goes for an absurd price . But, that is what the the majority of the new generation of Patek owners are looking for, ability to flaunt the price aspect. It wouldn't sell nearly as well if it was priced to be commensurate with the material, finishing, or technology. Yes, its a legendary design but if we are being honest, there is nothing special about the finishing or technology used in this watch in comparison to others in the same retail ballpark or even fractions. It sells because celebrities wear it, rap about it, and priced absurdly and Patek has according sold out to cater to these targeted clients.
I love both .....The sparkling look.... Amazing works.
I honestly do not understand these prices for some watch brands. The prices for the Patel makes me want to barf as a value investor. It is entirely driven by people playing status games.
I’d like to see a comparison between an Alpine Eagle and a Royal Oak. That would be fascinating.
That dial on the Alpine Eagle is virtuoso performance by Chopard. they could justify making the watch just as a vessel to display that dial. And yeah, Genta created the first "homage" Watch. He gets a pass because it's a homage to himself. LOL good show
By the looks I would go for the Chopard, will try it on next time at the AD. Hav'nt payed this watch any attantion until now.
I like the Alpine Eagle it needs the LUC movement and maybe just leave off the extra bit on the side of the case that isn't necessary. Would also love to see more dial options.
Alpine Eagle vs GP Laureato vs Bulgari Octo Finissimo?
I'd take the Eagle or the Octo. The GP is a baby step down IMO
@@feedthefatrabbit1073 I’m curious as to why you think that regards the GP?
@@feedthefatrabbit1073 The heritage of GP can be a factor too though
@@TheDrewski88 just personal preference from a design standpoint. The GP is the best of the three in terms of heritage, and the movement is outstanding on them. I think all too often we lose why we buy crazy watches in the fist place - for the look, because we like them. Why is Rolex king, for instance? Because ppl are wrapped up in what other ppl think about their watch and public perception in general, when in actuality - nobody *really* cares. That's why the old saying 'buy what u like' is underutilized in today's market. JLC is my favorite brand for this exact reason. They check all my boxes while flying ever so slightly under the radar.
i know the trend/bragging rights is for thinner watches but it has to suit your wrist, i feel like for me, the nautilus sits a little too low
While I agree the Chopard is noticeably larger than the Nautilus, I don't think it wears larger than it suggests. In my opinion, it wears true to size, and perhaps even slightly smaller. The Nautilus just wears really, really well.
These big watch brands need to do the Skeletor back. you can tell that they don’t want to be like any other brands or they’re probably just jealous but imagine getting a nice Rolex and the back of it just says Rolex stainless steel waterproof. You can’t even see the movements I would get a Sieko mod instead of a real rolex. Is better because the skeletal background you could see the movement when you take it off your wrist that’s like the coolest thing to me
If I didn’t know anything about these watches I would chose the chopard 💯.
Chopard Looks SOOOO GOOOD omg
Hacking seconds on a Nautilus?! You spoil us, ambassador!!
how many grams is the chopard?
Genta's design has an clear edge but the execution on the Chopy is insane
The price of the Nautilus is ridiculous, point by point the Chopard is better; I like it a lot more and I don't care if a seller loses money; the bubble will only harm a few ...
As an Patek 5990 owner. I pick the Alpine Eagle.
CEA is just gorgeous vs the Patek! Unless given an opportunity to buy from Retail then Patek is a must buy for future investment.
Looking at the bracelets I think the Chopard is a league above the Patek
The Patek is the best of the Genta designs for me, but I could not countenance what Patek charge for it, not even at retail never mind aftermarket. I think the Chopard is a fine effort in many respects. It's a pity they decided to use the screws because the fact that they don't line up would probably drive me mad over time. I would prefer if the bezel had been secured from behind. I've seriously considered an Alpine Eagle but, contrary to your view Tim, I find the grain on the dial a bit overdone. A bit like the screws, it's a design feature that tries too hard, whereas the Patek has an effortless quality to it that I really like. Sadly, it's a quality that is negated by the price.
It’s sort of without purpose to compare the Chopard to a watch that is not in the same league. Also the Patek is not available for purchase.
$120k or $10k 5711 all the way for me. The non timed screws on the bezel of the Chopard would drive me crazy.
They are screws not bolts.
It's impossible to line up screws.
RO has bolts, Chopard has screws.
Although, I agree with you, misaligned screws drive me crazy as well, but we can't do anything about it.
@@nishantprakash5928 they can. It’s not cost effective or feasible though.
@@Innovativeindustries to do that, they are gonna need another batch of screws under side the case, now these screws won't line up.
And the bolts on the bezel will line up.
If they do that, they will be called out for copying RO.
So no brands usually go in that direction of aligning screws
At these prices, the only reason to get the patek is if you want to show the world you can afford to spend 6-digits on a watch.
Actually, historically that is correct. A steel sports watch that is more expensive than a complicated gold watch. That was exactly what GG originally designed and the brands planned to bring to market.
For me? If you want to show you have money enough. Please buy something interesting. Impress me not with money, but with taste and consideration
Money no object, Patek, my money, Chopard. The Chopard is 90% of the Patek for 10.9% of the price. So if you want to make this fair it should be 1 Nautilus to 10 Alpine Eagles.
You can buy Chopard for your whole family if you really like all of them.
I don't know that anyone would say the differences or improvements are worth even the retail difference let alone gray market. The Chopart is more sporty with the case dimensions as well as more elegant with design and overall more interesting in general. It has a lot more going on with indices and screws and dial but not so much that it takes away from it at all or that it just screams for attention.
alpine eagle looks nicer to me whatever the price
36mm non-date Alpine Eagle is the best
Chopard for sure!
The Chopard is beautiful!!
amazing review Tim and I totally agree with you
Yeah at current price of two I can’t see how one would choose 5711, unless you are a Patek diehard fan. Look very similar. Both brands are legit makers but both lack brand recognition among general public. If you want to impress, none of these two models is good. If you just wear for what it is, the Chopard one is as good as 5711, with a much lower price.
i like the chopard
Brilliantly done. Thanks
Is the Patek the Emperors new clothes in this company. Lovely watch but the movement could be considered almost prehistoric and badly in need of an update.
I wished they kept the Saint Moritz name...
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I really like the PP Nautilus. Heck, I might even go as high as $5k for one.
That was a great comparison. Probably one of the best he has ever done. I plan to purchase the Alphine eagle based on the video.
5:19 skip the overhype nautilus to the review of the alpine eagle with this
I love the Chopard dial but have to say all the other elements look a little clunky to me whereas the Nautilus has an integrity which is pleasing but no way would I pay $100k for it.
Nothing against you personally, but it's really funny to see people say that about the Nautilus, when not even 10 years ago, people didn't vibe with the Nautilus design at all.
Ouch! Said the 1st link in that bracelet
Both are handsome watches. But Nautilus doesn't make me stare at it. Alpine does.
Prices are insane, but design-wise Patek all the way.
You echo my sentiments to the T squire, id most certainly opt for the patek over the 'Sho-par'
@@blessedlion5329 It unfortunately resembles something that you would see on AliExpress, where someone thought it would be a great idea to combine all of the most popular luxury brands into one watch. Et voila the royal nautilus, ingenieur overseas on oyster, Speedmaster bracelet.
Having said all of that other than the markers I do actually like the dial.
@2423 6585 I agree but it's the other way around.
Back in the fall of 2001 I had the opportunity to buy a used PPN 3700 with box & papers for 7000€ plus my 16600 in a WEMPE store in Hamburg but having just started my 3 year WOSTEP watchmaking education and with a girlfriend and 7 month baby back home it just didn´t make sense at the time. Note to younger me; "F*cking buy it already"
As late as 2012 getting a 20% discount on any AP-RO was pretty much standard and once in Barcelona I had 6 of them in different sizes and dial colors lying on the desk front of me at an AD. Another note to younger me; "If you leave without at least one of these watches your an even bigger idiot now then back in 2001"
The Nautilus design makes my stomach churn. It looks like a 70's TV set which is dorky. Another thing - the corner facets on the crystal annoy me as it's not quite round but not very jagged either. It's so subtle that it looks like an imperfection.
Always enjoy your Vs videos and this one speaks to me. Am contemplating the Alpine Eagle but hoping they will make a green dial one...for less than $450009😂
Alpine Eagle hands down a better looking watch.
I cant believe you get push pins for 34k from dealer, even worse that you get push pins for 110k used 😂
Been a while since I watched a review of the 5711. Such an incredibly ugly watch. Honestly, if you strip away the hype it looks like an old TV set, the bracelet is flimsy and the date disc stands out like a sore thumb. Plus the movement is low end for Patek - nothing close to their 240 micro-rotor. The Chopard is obviously the copycat but is executed with a much more contemporary look and feel and the dial is wonderful. The 5711 is worth its retail price and no more. Amazing what hype, social media and rappers can do!
Couldn’t agree more about the patek’s date complication. Such a poorly executed date window. Unframed date window, cuts into the minute track, date disc is white, and it’s not properly aligned with the other indices. I don’t get all the hype.
Chopard watch is nicer
Why would you pay way over retail for a watch? To impress others that won't even notice. Just bizarre.
Well, it isn’t being made anymore so there is that. It’s now down simply to hype, supply and demand to dictate the price. No way would I pay even $30k for a 5711. It’s dated to the point of being ugly and doesn’t even include a great dial or movement to help its cause.
Chopard mainly because of the detail and design of the dial!
The Patek is not worth 10X the Chopard on any planet. Lmfao. It's laughable to even consider and it's all marketing hype
It looks like a storage unit. 🔒
Just look into the market. No need personal opinions. Which one is the most desirable watch that many many many people must have the most. That’s all.
@@ericn2206 it's a comparison video based entirely on specs and personal opinion of the viewers, dummy. I'm aware of the Nautilus market. The same watch was 25G's the day before yesterday prior to Drake and the boys ditching their Rolex crowns.
If a piece is relatively comparable to something else, it shouldn't be 10% of the cost. That alone shows you the bubble is artificially inflated by fake scarcity on the part of Patek, and the greed of the 2nd hand market.
Just because you can’t afford something doesn’t make it laughable in any way. Marketing…. Is it Patek who asks 110k? No. They never did. Never. So GTFU
The dial is fabulous indeed. You need to see it for yourself. The camera does not render true to life.