The 3 seconds switching time would make that a big no thanks from me. Very surprised that solaredge isnt offering UPS level switching. But thanks for the video.
Love the video. In the Battery installation rules it says you can't install a battery "within 600 mm of any hot water unit, air conditioning unit or any other appliance not associated with the Pre-Assembled integrated BESS" But in your video the Battery is below the inverter by about 30cm. Is the inverter part of the "Pre-Assembled integrated BESS" or is it "not classified as an appliance? and therefore doesn't need this 600 mm spacing from the battery?
So just to clarify , battery NOT go at same time when u turn off the ac? If this is the case this not good All home appliances will suffer … I thought it will operate like pc ups …
@@daviddavidov6714 From what I know and I was just standing looking at the battery install after but the battery is not between the network and the inverter. I hope I have this right. So when the power drops on the network there needs to be a trigger to swap to battery. If you use a UPS you are between the network and the device. I guess with some additional cost you could put a UPS between your house and and the network but you still need to sacrifice some devices like aircon that are usually not connected to the backup rollover unless you have a mega battery. I installed a battery to help me with reducing the power I was giving away to the grid and allow me to use it over night. If I was allowed I would choose my power to go to neighbors before the grid but I was told this is not allowed.
Can the Solar Edge inverters run with any other batteries (for example an AGM battery bank or a Redflow battery)? What would be needed to make another style of battery work?
Nice setup. Will the PV panels charge this battery when there is a black-out (assuming the PV is generating more than the house is drawing)? I read that Tesla Powerwall-2 was not able to charge a battery during a power-cut; it would discharge the battery, but not recharge it until the grid came back on. - Was this true several years ago? -Is this true now?
Yes - both the SolarEdge and Tesla batteries have the capability to charge from the panels when the grid is down. 3 phase power makes things much more complicated, however.
Curious to know what model that new inverter is. I had a SolarEdge battery installed in May and my inverter is the SE5000H-AUS. Is that an Energy Hub or the older Genesis?
Nothing about costs I note. Based on your previous solar battery tests I still can’t see how these things are worth anything like their cost. The idea is great, the execution is very disappointing. Thanks for the vid anyway, it’s nice to stay current.
I ask one of solar solar mobs how much for a system with a battery $53000 the panels were only $3500. It was a joke. I told then they were pissing into the wind.
@@coopdivi we have a heap of solar companies selling rebated solar systems here in Australia So a rebated inter active grid system they awere selling for 3.5 thousand. I asked for a battery for it and they can back with the 53 thousand. I wanted an off grid. Even the local solar and sat installer in gin gin wanted 45 thousand. Fo a 5 kv system. I brought through a Melbourne company for just under 20 thousand for a 5 kv off grid with no government rebates. I slapped up a quick system with second hand panels and my new batteries for less then 5 thousand 1 thousand for inverter charger. 10 dollars for 8 panels and some wiring and fuse and switches.
In South Australia, with SolarEdge the Emergency Shut Down signal can be configured to just shut down exports - the system will keep running in the house. In WA the shutdown signal will kill the whole system.
Cost in NZ is about for a 5kW solar array and 14.7kWh battery was about 30-35$ a year ago….variation in price is due to components. Would assume it would be more now. About double of the cost in comparison to AU as NZ government not interested in rebates. Not sure if you already have solar and just want to add a battery in? There is a lot to consider depending what your needs are, single or 3 phase feed, AC vs DC batteries, type of battery and battery safety features etc. All have different benefits and drawbacks, that the average sales rep focus only on the positives. Other options for storing power is EV’s or hybrids which really only make sense if you need a new car and assuming there would be days the car would be at home etc. I am rural and face frequent power cuts , after much consideration changed to single phase (easy rewiring from 3 phase) and AC coupled battery. No delay with power cuts, it works seamlessly.
I installed an integrated system comprising 10.3kW of Longi solar panels, a 5kW SolarEdge hybrid inverter and a 10kWh LG RESUH battery (not the dodgy model, thank goodness) with backup facility in April last year (2021). All up cost with govt rebates was $17,300. I live in Adelaide. Prior to the install I was paying AGL about $2800/yr for electricity. I joined a Virtual Power Plant (VPP) scheme and in the first year we had no bills and were $350 in credit. Unfortunately, the recent sharp increases in power costs will put a dent in those figures going forward but I reckon I'm still way out in front and should recoup my outlay in 6-7 years. The only problem we've had so far (fingers crossed) was with the SolarEdge inverter, which decided to have a major internal conniption and kill itself with a loud bang last November. The original installers (MyEnergy) were terrific and had us back up and running with a brand new inverter within a week. SolarEdge honoured their warranty so there was no cost to us, other than one week's missed solar production.
Unfortunately the battery is the larger uncertainty in this equation regarding payback period and longevity. Currently Li-ion seems to have the best discharge / longevity ration ~ there is a tiny risk of fires, so in my view what safety features is important. The cost at the time was near equivalent as you generally need a larger lead acid bank in comparison to Li-ion due to DOD and every study suggested that with deep discharges (50% for lead vs 90% Li-ion ) that Li-ion last longer on paper anyway. Since you already have a system it would be dictated by compatibility of your inverter, DC vs AC couple assuming you are on single phase. In the end I went for a Tesla battery and powerwall, as the battery has it’s own cooling system, build in inverter, has a 5kW (7kW) peak output(obviously more if you stack them). The powerwall has a number of automated functions and function seamlessly. I don’t notice power cuts . At the time it was about 14K with installation. It was a fairly big step as I am not a Tesla fan and financially it is uncertain if makes sense as you would note the cost discrepancy between NZ and AU. Good luck, would suggest you do your own homework and take installers selling points with a big scoop of salt.
@@SolarQuotes in the future other work may be carried out, they have no idea where cables are & their work may involve drilling through cable/s previously wired in cavity. I've seen this done in England (where its not allowed) over long distances, at worst its dangerous, at best makes for a difficult repair.
The 3 seconds switching time would make that a big no thanks from me. Very surprised that solaredge isnt offering UPS level switching. But thanks for the video.
Who are you? The queen of italy?
Thanks for posting. We finished our 1st Sedge battery install yesterday & it went off without a hitch.
Good to hear the teething problems seem to be sorted. In the early days, there were a lot of issues with the first Powerwall installs too.
@@SolarQuotes Yes there were. Exciting times!
Brilliant! Thank you SolarQuotes for sharing this video.
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Drilling brickwork. Shouldn't the direction be angled up (outside to in) to avoid water access?😉😉
They use something called silicone sealant, apparently it makes the finished job waterproof 😉
What happened to the battery?
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Love the video. In the Battery installation rules it says you can't install a battery "within 600 mm of any hot water unit, air conditioning unit or any other appliance not associated with the Pre-Assembled integrated BESS" But in your video the Battery is below the inverter by about 30cm. Is the inverter part of the "Pre-Assembled integrated BESS" or is it "not classified as an appliance? and therefore doesn't need this 600 mm spacing from the battery?
The inverter is associated with the BESS so can be within the 600mm.
@@SolarQuotes friends don't let friends buy at signature solar; use current connected instead, same merchandise & price, different attitude.
So just to clarify , battery NOT go at same time when u turn off the ac?
If this is the case this not good
All home appliances will suffer …
I thought it will operate like pc ups …
3 second gap between losing the grid and SolarEdge battery kicking in
@@SolarQuotes tv and the rest not will like it
@@daviddavidov6714 Wouldnt the same thing happen if you get a network power outage?
@@jasonrhl exactly , I thought if I can connect battery so it will be like ups , so during the power down battery will keep the line a life
@@daviddavidov6714 From what I know and I was just standing looking at the battery install after but the battery is not between the network and the inverter. I hope I have this right. So when the power drops on the network there needs to be a trigger to swap to battery. If you use a UPS you are between the network and the device. I guess with some additional cost you could put a UPS between your house and and the network but you still need to sacrifice some devices like aircon that are usually not connected to the backup rollover unless you have a mega battery.
I installed a battery to help me with reducing the power I was giving away to the grid and allow me to use it over night. If I was allowed I would choose my power to go to neighbors before the grid but I was told this is not allowed.
Can the Solar Edge inverters run with any other batteries (for example an AGM battery bank or a Redflow battery)? What would be needed to make another style of battery work?
Hallo Reg! Ann and Jim, Panorama
great video
Compostable materials??
Nice setup. Will the PV panels charge this battery when there is a black-out (assuming the PV is generating more than the house is drawing)?
I read that Tesla Powerwall-2 was not able to charge a battery during a power-cut; it would discharge the battery, but not recharge it until the grid came back on.
- Was this true several years ago?
-Is this true now?
Yes - both the SolarEdge and Tesla batteries have the capability to charge from the panels when the grid is down. 3 phase power makes things much more complicated, however.
Curious to know what model that new inverter is. I had a SolarEdge battery installed in May and my inverter is the SE5000H-AUS. Is that an Energy Hub or the older Genesis?
The new, hybrid inverter is an Energy Hub
Nothing about costs I note. Based on your previous solar battery tests I still can’t see how these things are worth anything like their cost. The idea is great, the execution is very disappointing. Thanks for the vid anyway, it’s nice to stay current.
I ask one of solar solar mobs how much for a system with a battery $53000 the panels were only $3500.
It was a joke. I told then they were pissing into the wind.
@@gingertom56 That can't be right. Whereabouts do you live, and what was included in the quote?
@@coopdivi we have a heap of solar companies selling rebated solar systems here in Australia
So a rebated inter active grid system they awere selling for 3.5 thousand.
I asked for a battery for it and they can back with the 53 thousand.
I wanted an off grid.
Even the local solar and sat installer in gin gin wanted 45 thousand. Fo a 5 kv system.
I brought through a Melbourne company for just under 20 thousand for a 5 kv off grid with no government rebates.
I slapped up a quick system with second hand panels and my new batteries for less then 5 thousand 1 thousand for inverter charger. 10 dollars for 8 panels and some wiring and fuse and switches.
The total system price was $12,455 (Aussie dollars). The SA Battery Rebate chipped in $1,455 making the final purchase price $11,000.
@@SolarQuotes I got quoted installed price of $14,284 in NSW. Is that normal?
Will a system like this be subject to the emergency solar shutdown procedures by DNOs?
In South Australia, with SolarEdge the Emergency Shut Down signal can be configured to just shut down exports - the system will keep running in the house. In WA the shutdown signal will kill the whole system.
@@SolarQuotes what about NSW or Queensland please ?
What battery is it?
Would love to know the cost, looking at the exact same thing in New Zealand
Cost in NZ is about for a 5kW solar array and 14.7kWh battery was about 30-35$ a year ago….variation in price is due to components. Would assume it would be more now. About double of the cost in comparison to AU as NZ government not interested in rebates. Not sure if you already have solar and just want to add a battery in? There is a lot to consider depending what your needs are, single or 3 phase feed, AC vs DC batteries, type of battery and battery safety features etc. All have different benefits and drawbacks, that the average sales rep focus only on the positives. Other options for storing power is EV’s or hybrids which really only make sense if you need a new car and assuming there would be days the car would be at home etc. I am rural and face frequent power cuts , after much consideration changed to single phase (easy rewiring from 3 phase) and AC coupled battery. No delay with power cuts, it works seamlessly.
I installed an integrated system comprising 10.3kW of Longi solar panels, a 5kW SolarEdge hybrid inverter and a 10kWh LG RESUH battery (not the dodgy model, thank goodness) with backup facility in April last year (2021). All up cost with govt rebates was $17,300. I live in Adelaide. Prior to the install I was paying AGL about $2800/yr for electricity. I joined a Virtual Power Plant (VPP) scheme and in the first year we had no bills and were $350 in credit. Unfortunately, the recent sharp increases in power costs will put a dent in those figures going forward but I reckon I'm still way out in front and should recoup my outlay in 6-7 years.
The only problem we've had so far (fingers crossed) was with the SolarEdge inverter, which decided to have a major internal conniption and kill itself with a loud bang last November. The original installers (MyEnergy) were terrific and had us back up and running with a brand new inverter within a week. SolarEdge honoured their warranty so there was no cost to us, other than one week's missed solar production.
@@rubenconzales9718 I've got a 6kW SolarEdge array and an EV. The battery is to try to be as self sufficient for energy as possible.
Unfortunately the battery is the larger uncertainty in this equation regarding payback period and longevity. Currently Li-ion seems to have the best discharge / longevity ration ~ there is a tiny risk of fires, so in my view what safety features is important. The cost at the time was near equivalent as you generally need a larger lead acid bank in comparison to Li-ion due to DOD and every study suggested that with deep discharges (50% for lead vs 90% Li-ion ) that Li-ion last longer on paper anyway. Since you already have a system it would be dictated by compatibility of your inverter, DC vs AC couple assuming you are on single phase. In the end I went for a Tesla battery and powerwall, as the battery has it’s own cooling system, build in inverter, has a 5kW (7kW) peak output(obviously more if you stack them). The powerwall has a number of automated functions and function seamlessly. I don’t notice power cuts . At the time it was about 14K with installation. It was a fairly big step as I am not a Tesla fan and financially it is uncertain if makes sense as you would note the cost discrepancy between NZ and AU. Good luck, would suggest you do your own homework and take installers selling points with a big scoop of salt.
The total system price was AU$12,455 installed.
5:23 power usage* (not energy)
3 second cutover is simply unacceptable.
Battery needed replacement??? Issues with polarity during the installation I présume?
no - that was not the problem
Take a look at the Canberra battery test results. Home batteries are terribly unreliable.
My big concern with batteries is the fire hazard that they can create. Watching videos of batteries burning or exploding is quite scary.
Did you see the fire extinguisher? I wasn't game to test it!
@@SolarQuotes yes and it proves my point!
@@ancora966 Have you heard about how flammable gas and petrol are? Avoid those too.
Redflow ZCell are the answer, they are a flow battery, we've had a couple of them for almost three years in Melbourne.
@@allanhugh2044 How much did that cost fully installed?
Bad practice running cables in cavities.
Why is that Craig?
@@SolarQuotes in the future other work may be carried out, they have no idea where cables are & their work may involve drilling through cable/s previously wired in cavity. I've seen this done in England (where its not allowed) over long distances, at worst its dangerous, at best makes for a difficult repair.
@@craigbutler6243 That's why we have AS3000, AS5033 and AS4777
@@SolarQuotes cool....what's that
@@craigbutler6243 They are the Australian Standards that ensure electrical wiring in cavities is safe whether AC or DC.
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