Loving the content. A couple of questions: if one was to build a RAID with windows what program do you recomend to make the Raid? and also, if one of those drives were to fail how would you know witch of them is it? I got the idea of just getting a JBOD box like the Sabrent one you reviewed and making the Raid on the OS.
13:14 - Keen for a bit more info on QNAP’s T2E/Thunderbolt-to-Network pass through. Does it mean the computer connected will be sharing the same IP address as the NAS or will it just use the network adapter of the NAS physically but your computer and the NAS will have separate IP addresses?
@ 16:24 hehe I purchased top configuration unit here in the UK a QNAP TVS-h874T Intel i9 64GB with a 10G card thrown in all for £2500!!! very low price!
@@lahmyajit’s fantastic a beast of a NAS - unlike what is said in this video (may because it’s on a table) it’s really quiet - I have it next to me under my table in order to connect my iMac Pro to it via thunderbolt and I hardly hear it! Yes i7 would be a good purchase for you
@@speedbird737 cheers mate and good to know on sound as the TB cabling does mean you’re likely then to operate the NAS nearby within 2~3m TB cable range. I myself intend to put it on top of this desk bookshelf section but have thought maybe it’s best to be placed on the carpet to deaden the HDD noise even more. Not sure though as haven’t owned a NAS before at all and been a while since I’ve had some HDDs running full noise on the desk.
I'm getting consistently 1850/MBs read and write speeds on my TVS-h874T for both the HD RAID 6 storage pool AND the NVME SSD Storage Pool. I'm surprised I'm getting the same speed for both the HD and the SSD. I would have thought the SSD would be faster but perhaps I'm saturating the TB4 connection?
Could it be to do with this note I noticed on QNAP’s website? “The TVS-h874T adopts Thunderbolt Networking technology and provides maximum bandwidth of 20 Gbps.” Seems odd doesn’t it!
@@lahmyaj Yes, but technically I think I shouldn't be getting so fast on the regular HDD. I'm just surprised I'm getting the same speeds with HDD as I am with SSD. Not complaining just wondering why.
Is it possible to use a 5 - 10 meter Thunderbolt cable with a Thunderbolt NAS ? These are I think optical and very expensive but if the server room is further away, the only solution or do you have to forget Thunderbolt at this distance and rather go back to LAN connection ? Greetings
The Question is price. You could use some 40Gbit Thunderbolt 4 Hubs and expensiv 3 Meter Cables, 80 Bucks per Cable 250 Bucks per Hub. When you use activ optical Cables you go down to 20Gbit, with an optical Cable of about 250 Bucks. At this point it may makes more sense to use an DAC SFP28 Setup which got 10 Meters and 25Gbit. There are ones out there with 4x SFP28 Ports, 28 SFP+ Ports for around 900 Bucks. A SFP28 Card Costs about 100 Bucks (NAS and PC's) and the DAC SFP Cable cost around 80 Bucks and you got plenty of 10gbit ports for fiber connections. Or a managed 10gbit Switch, about 600 Bucks with 4 SFP+ ins and 12 10gBit CU out and you use Link Aggregation but have a good 80m range on old Cat5e/Cat6 wires. Would be again a 20Gbit Solution. So yes the Tunderbolt 4 optical Cable for 250 Bucks and 20Gbit is the most cost effectiv options for a 10 Meter run when you want one fast connection for one System. Use all Solutions at Work (Admin for around 300 Workstations ) except the Thunderbolt Hubs and they work won't mention the Brands, just upgraded the Network for Highspeed.
It's advertised as TB4, but it only gets TB1 speed per port. How is this device any better than buying a non-TB4 QNAP TVS-h874 and adding a dual TB3 card? It will be just as fast... and it's probably the same card.
Tell me more - quite curious how you would line up everything in a neat and compact form factor. I was all motivated to build my own, when prices were announced, but could not come up with something checking all boxes and under price.
I got this unit a couple of weeks ago but we opted without the T-option but the i7 version. But added the 10G optional card. You "loose" some, you get some ;-) Whilst we do have a ton of QNAP's with TB, in the end the TB option (pass-through) makes it a "simple" DAS and does restrict how the other TB hardware can be used. Plus the restriction of max 3 meters distance (cable-length). It is a beast of a machine but it is indeed quite expensive.
Do you mind elaborating a little more on the Thunderbolt-related comments for me please? Enabling pass-through doesn’t disable it from also operating as a NAS does it? Like your comment suggests enabling pass-through turns it into a DAS? I want it to be a NAS all the time for access from all other devices on my network with the benefit of a faster TB connection to my computer for file transfers AND another benefit that I’ll upgrade to a 10GbE adapter like you did and thus also give my computer the benefit of faster access to other network resources (although technically the NAS itself would’ve been one of the main reasons for 10GbE computer connection). Please tell me it still does this? Also what do ya mean about how it restricts other TB usage?
@@lahmyaj No, whatever you do on TB-side does not impact the NAS functionality. It is when you are daisy-chainning QNAP's via TB with other TB devices, you will have some "restrictions" (read: your QNAP *must* be the last one in the chain). If you use the TB-passthru setting(s) of the QNAP, depending on your platform, the QNAP will appear as a DAS. Which is not a bad thing, I do believe.
Me too and, like you, I use it at home for streaming, file serving etc. I bought it so I could muck about with virtual machines and know that, if I was having problems, it wasn't going to be due to crappy hardware. So far, so good.
@@DavidM2002 Learning about docker containers and virtual machines is on my to do list. Installed 2- 2tb Samsung SSDs in the M.2 slots, 8 - 4tb Samsung sata drives and a nVidia Tesla T4 video card for Plex Pass hardware transcoding
For me, this is a massive waste of money. I built an 8 bay Jonsbo N3 with an i5 13500, 10gbe, pcie4 nvme, 32gb and 4x 8tb 870qvo ssds for less than 2k.
Really - I just checked out the price of those SSDs and they're about $2K ($500 each) on their own - care to share your build specs and prices? I'd be interested.
0:03 - Please please please TH-camrs - Can you please leave your title screens on for longer so the text can actually be read! How are you guys not proof-reading these? Otherwise they’re pointless and have to be rewound and paused to fully take in! Animation took 3 seconds and text was only up for 2. Whole thing was 5. Use the 5 for the text!!!! 🤣🙏🏻
Whilst it's impressive in a lot of ways and you make the point about uses for production, mention DAS etc., the price is something else. Is the QNAP special software source really worth the money? Creatives who are wedded to Macs are a target market? Unless you buy the vastly overpriced but crippled Mac Pro, your Mac Studio etc bandwidth is going to be an issue and if you made the mistake of not paying inflated Apple prices for more storage, it'll hurt. I've done a few jobs in media and management get scared about no longer paying the Apple Tax because the creatives throw their arms up in the air. I need to learn more about iSCSI.
The Qts software is definitely not worth the premium to me. I had a tvs473e up until recently and replaced it with a truenas setup that does everything it did and more.
@@TheLevitatingChin The thing is - I don't understand who the intended market is. It's a solution in search of a problem. iirc, 10Gbe ethernet is a thing on some Macs but I'd be surprised if many went that route.
Is the price of the QNAP in question $29999-$3400? That's $1000-$1300 more than the HL15...; let me know if you are still confused on which is more expensive , and how I 'worked it out' :)@@mondotv4216
What all the fuss about thunderbolt? Seems totally overrated, fancy USB with marketing BS and additional cost and problems. What does it bring to the table that USB and / or Ethernet can’t do?
Speed. Thunderbolt 4 is technically USB4.0 so there is no price difference. 40Gb/s throughput. You can get networks that can do 25Gb/s (and higher including fibre channel SAN's) but they are more expensive than TB4. It's not important unless you need it.
Loving the content. A couple of questions: if one was to build a RAID with windows what program do you recomend to make the Raid? and also, if one of those drives were to fail how would you know witch of them is it? I got the idea of just getting a JBOD box like the Sabrent one you reviewed and making the Raid on the OS.
13:14 - Keen for a bit more info on QNAP’s T2E/Thunderbolt-to-Network pass through. Does it mean the computer connected will be sharing the same IP address as the NAS or will it just use the network adapter of the NAS physically but your computer and the NAS will have separate IP addresses?
@ 16:24 hehe I purchased top configuration unit here in the UK a QNAP TVS-h874T Intel i9 64GB with a 10G card thrown in all for £2500!!! very low price!
How are you finding it?
I’m very much considering this model (although probably just for i7 and less RAM).
@@lahmyajit’s fantastic a beast of a NAS - unlike what is said in this video (may because it’s on a table) it’s really quiet - I have it next to me under my table in order to connect my iMac Pro to it via thunderbolt and I hardly hear it! Yes i7 would be a good purchase for you
@@speedbird737 cheers mate and good to know on sound as the TB cabling does mean you’re likely then to operate the NAS nearby within 2~3m TB cable range.
I myself intend to put it on top of this desk bookshelf section but have thought maybe it’s best to be placed on the carpet to deaden the HDD noise even more. Not sure though as haven’t owned a NAS before at all and been a while since I’ve had some HDDs running full noise on the desk.
no probs - may be get a bit of scrap carpet from a carpet store then place the unit on your shelf sat on the scrap carpet
@nascompares What performance differences would I expect between the i9 vs the i7 version?
Thks &;
Quite expensive$ but still Synology (aka the Apple of NASes ;) could learn a few things from QNAP about up-to-date hardware
Can I use this NAS through usb-c directly with a PC?
I think it’s just Thunderbolt which means only USB4 and above (because USB4 basically is Thunderbolt 3).
I'm getting consistently 1850/MBs read and write speeds on my TVS-h874T for both the HD RAID 6 storage pool AND the NVME SSD Storage Pool. I'm surprised I'm getting the same speed for both the HD and the SSD. I would have thought the SSD would be faster but perhaps I'm saturating the TB4 connection?
How do you configure your pools? Is your HDD & SSD in different pools or the same pool?
@@Apollo_GodMode different pools
Could it be to do with this note I noticed on QNAP’s website?
“The TVS-h874T adopts Thunderbolt Networking technology and provides maximum bandwidth of 20 Gbps.”
Seems odd doesn’t it!
@@lahmyaj Yes, but technically I think I shouldn't be getting so fast on the regular HDD. I'm just surprised I'm getting the same speeds with HDD as I am with SSD. Not complaining just wondering why.
@@PleasantsProductions have you got another SSD setup to cache the HDD RAID6 array?
Is it possible to use a 5 - 10 meter Thunderbolt cable with a Thunderbolt NAS ? These are I think optical and very expensive but if the server room is further away, the only solution or do you have to forget Thunderbolt at this distance and rather go back to LAN connection ? Greetings
The Question is price. You could use some 40Gbit Thunderbolt 4 Hubs and expensiv 3 Meter Cables, 80 Bucks per Cable 250 Bucks per Hub. When you use activ optical Cables you go down to 20Gbit, with an optical Cable of about 250 Bucks.
At this point it may makes more sense to use an DAC SFP28 Setup which got 10 Meters and 25Gbit.
There are ones out there with 4x SFP28 Ports, 28 SFP+ Ports for around 900 Bucks.
A SFP28 Card Costs about 100 Bucks (NAS and PC's) and the DAC SFP Cable cost around 80 Bucks and you got plenty of 10gbit ports for fiber connections.
Or a managed 10gbit Switch, about 600 Bucks with 4 SFP+ ins and 12 10gBit CU out and you use Link Aggregation but have a good 80m range on old Cat5e/Cat6 wires. Would be again a 20Gbit Solution.
So yes the Tunderbolt 4 optical Cable for 250 Bucks and 20Gbit is the most cost effectiv options for a 10 Meter run when you want one fast connection for one System.
Use all Solutions at Work (Admin for around 300 Workstations ) except the Thunderbolt Hubs and they work won't mention the Brands, just upgraded the Network for Highspeed.
What is the i9 CPU model used in this NAS?
This is what I need, thanks.
It's advertised as TB4, but it only gets TB1 speed per port. How is this device any better than buying a non-TB4 QNAP TVS-h874 and adding a dual TB3 card? It will be just as fast... and it's probably the same card.
i would pick up TVS-874T but that price tag is abit much at the moment.
You can't be top dog if u don't spend top dollars on it.
i9 13th gen in mini pc form: 480 "nicka", Add everything else and you are around 1200 "nicka" for better performance than this one is.
Tell me more - quite curious how you would line up everything in a neat and compact form factor.
I was all motivated to build my own, when prices were announced, but could not come up with something checking all boxes and under price.
I got this unit a couple of weeks ago but we opted without the T-option but the i7 version.
But added the 10G optional card.
You "loose" some, you get some ;-)
Whilst we do have a ton of QNAP's with TB, in the end the TB option (pass-through) makes it a "simple" DAS and does restrict how the other TB hardware can be used.
Plus the restriction of max 3 meters distance (cable-length).
It is a beast of a machine but it is indeed quite expensive.
Do you mind elaborating a little more on the Thunderbolt-related comments for me please?
Enabling pass-through doesn’t disable it from also operating as a NAS does it? Like your comment suggests enabling pass-through turns it into a DAS? I want it to be a NAS all the time for access from all other devices on my network with the benefit of a faster TB connection to my computer for file transfers AND another benefit that I’ll upgrade to a 10GbE adapter like you did and thus also give my computer the benefit of faster access to other network resources (although technically the NAS itself would’ve been one of the main reasons for 10GbE computer connection). Please tell me it still does this?
Also what do ya mean about how it restricts other TB usage?
@@lahmyaj No, whatever you do on TB-side does not impact the NAS functionality. It is when you are daisy-chainning QNAP's via TB with other TB devices, you will have some "restrictions" (read: your QNAP *must* be the last one in the chain). If you use the TB-passthru setting(s) of the QNAP, depending on your platform, the QNAP will appear as a DAS. Which is not a bad thing, I do believe.
I went all in on the TVS-h874 i9 model
how do you like it ?
@@junior-OG no complaints, used for storage, music, streaming videos, remote storage
@@alonzosmith6189 ok thanks👍
Me too and, like you, I use it at home for streaming, file serving etc. I bought it so I could muck about with virtual machines and know that, if I was having problems, it wasn't going to be due to crappy hardware. So far, so good.
@@DavidM2002 Learning about docker containers and virtual machines is on my to do list. Installed 2- 2tb Samsung SSDs in the M.2 slots, 8 - 4tb Samsung sata drives and a nVidia Tesla T4 video card for Plex Pass hardware transcoding
For me, this is a massive waste of money. I built an 8 bay Jonsbo N3 with an i5 13500, 10gbe, pcie4 nvme, 32gb and 4x 8tb 870qvo ssds for less than 2k.
Really - I just checked out the price of those SSDs and they're about $2K ($500 each) on their own - care to share your build specs and prices? I'd be interested.
@@mondotv4216he probably meant 4x 2TB SSDs totalling 8TB but still not sure how that comes out price-wise.
0:03 - Please please please TH-camrs - Can you please leave your title screens on for longer so the text can actually be read! How are you guys not proof-reading these? Otherwise they’re pointless and have to be rewound and paused to fully take in!
Animation took 3 seconds and text was only up for 2. Whole thing was 5. Use the 5 for the text!!!! 🤣🙏🏻
Whilst it's impressive in a lot of ways and you make the point about uses for production, mention DAS etc., the price is something else. Is the QNAP special software source really worth the money?
Creatives who are wedded to Macs are a target market? Unless you buy the vastly overpriced but crippled Mac Pro, your Mac Studio etc bandwidth is going to be an issue and if you made the mistake of not paying inflated Apple prices for more storage, it'll hurt.
I've done a few jobs in media and management get scared about no longer paying the Apple Tax because the creatives throw their arms up in the air.
I need to learn more about iSCSI.
The Qts software is definitely not worth the premium to me. I had a tvs473e up until recently and replaced it with a truenas setup that does everything it did and more.
@@TheLevitatingChin The thing is - I don't understand who the intended market is. It's a solution in search of a problem. iirc, 10Gbe ethernet is a thing on some Macs but I'd be surprised if many went that route.
So at least $1000-$1500 more than 45Drive's HL15? Outrageously overpriced based on that comparison.
Not sure how you work that out - their cheapest 8 bay storinator is more expensive?
Is the price of the QNAP in question $29999-$3400? That's $1000-$1300 more than the HL15...; let me know if you are still confused on which is more expensive , and how I 'worked it out' :)@@mondotv4216
What all the fuss about thunderbolt? Seems totally overrated, fancy USB with marketing BS and additional cost and problems. What does it bring to the table that USB and / or Ethernet can’t do?
Speed. Thunderbolt 4 is technically USB4.0 so there is no price difference. 40Gb/s throughput. You can get networks that can do 25Gb/s (and higher including fibre channel SAN's) but they are more expensive than TB4. It's not important unless you need it.
You could easily diy this for significantly cheaper.
Not for that price. You can built a better machine for far less.