with the pippin hardware, apple bet on the powerPC cpu and failed to include a beefy video chip with 3D acceleration. this would ensure the doom of the format, among other factors.
If it enter as a gaming pc for the living room with the 3d card and add-on slot. It would've perform much better than releasing it as a home multimedia console
That actress from the Playdia commercial was famous as a homeless child character she played on a show called Ie Naki Ko. The second season went off the rails. Definitely recommend if you like absurd Asian dramas.
Apple between 1987 and the return of Jobs was a very “let’s throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks”. This, an early “smart TV”-esque terminal system, Newton, and half a billion Mac lines that were all literally the same hardware - and the clone thing, too - caused them too many problems as a company.
Some of the coolest mods you can do to an Apple Bandai Pippin are simple you can install a scuzzy port on the back of the machine and replace the internal drive cable that goes to the CD drive and add a external hard drive similar to the developer models that had a scuzzy port out the back the system does not stop you from adding a hard drive which is very very odd basically if you took the ram bios module that you see on the board and remove it and plug a apple bios chip into it it would basically become a Macintosh 100% at nearly a quarter of the price the Apple Bandai Pippin sold for $700 in some regions which was not a bad price considering a Apple Macintosh was nearly $12,000
@@JustinEdwords no and you have to understand from a retro standpoint this is a retro Macintosh so nothing in modern if you're thinking modern price tags then yeah no way in hell
That's not really why Apple bought NeXT. Apple were in a position where their efforts to replace MacOS Classic were going horribly wrong (Copland, Pink, &c.), and they needed a new starting point. It pretty much a choice between NeXT and BeOS, but Be's CEO Jean-Louis Gassée overplayed his hand, so the second choice of NeXT was the only option.
Exactly! Apple absolutely needed NeXT for their OS as Apple's own OS efforts were falling completely flat. Also LD, while Apple was having a somewhat rough time throughout much of the 90's they were nowhere near bankruptcy. In 1997 Apple still had at least 1 billion dollars in reserve cash and Microsoft also pumped in an additional 150 million dollars via an investment which benefitted both companies.
I really enjoyed the video, but I think for Apple bringing Steve back in the fold was a good bonus but not the prime motivation. Apple needed a new OS, as thier own plans to replace MacOS with copland had really not gone well and after years of delay they had thrown in the towel. Everyone assume BeOS would be the replacment, but after Apple could not come to terms with BeOS (as BeOS wanted way too much money) Apple bought NeXT so they could take its OS OpenStep and produce their own OS based on it (OS X). NeXT also really needed Apple to buy them as NeXT where a few months off declaring bankruptcy.
True, but I think the long term plan was also to bring Steve Jobs back. Apple was in big trouble in the 90s and I think they knew he was the guy who could turn it around. NeXT also made headway into the education sector which made it a lucrative investment despite having zero marketshare in the consumer space. That said, I'm not sure how much of a role NeXTSTEP played into the decision. But it is worth noting that it is the direct predecessor for MacOS (and subsequently iOS) starting with OSX. Thus, it's legacy exists to this day.
Choralone422 i think it was 1996 that apple was close to bankruptcy. The clones were doing way better than their own computers. The microsoft deal didnt happen until 1997.
I remember when this was in the stores and thinking to myself “damn, I already have a Mac that has a horribly pathetic list of games available compared to other computers and now they want me to buy this over priced garbage with even FEWER GAMES”? 😂😂😂
In an alternate universe, the Pippin was a big seller Worlwide, Apple never bothered to buy NeXT and Jobs never came back to the company he left. And when Microsoft released the X-BOX, Apple answer them by making the Pippin XP, making Apple being more involved in video game business, unlike what's happening recently.
The Pippin alone wouldn't have saved Apple. One of the biggest problems of Apple in the nineties were their multiple failed attempts at developing a more modern version of the Mac OS, and so the official main reason for buying NeXT was actually their operating system NeXTSTEP which would become the basis of Mac OS X.
As a kid I was never allowed to own apple anything my dad is a Microsoft certified computer programmer and still to this day looks down at apple anything
Pippin is a cultivar of apple (like Macintosh)...but, in what board meeting, did they decide "Pippin" was the best name for this console, when you have a cultivar of apple named "Spartan"!
Steve wasn’t even working for apple during that period. Steve showcased a PlayStation emulator running on a mac in the late 90s when he came back to Apple. So what you said isn’t entirely true
As lifelong Android user (I actually had the very first Android phone the HTC Google G1) I've never lived graciously. Edit: I did have Apple macintosh computers all throughout the 90's. Does that count? Lol. Seriously though internet gaming mattered to me back then. My cousins and I played command and conquer and battlefield 1942 and other games via LAN connections which meant piling our gaming rigs into cars and dragging them over to someones house and taking over their dining room which none of the aunts liked very much. Lol
As an American with a heavy Californian accent; whenever I say out loud or internally “Lady Decade” it is certainly in some form of a British accent. This is involuntary and I do not mean to offend. 😗
Probably Super Marathon. I had a Mac Power PC back in the day. Marathon 1 and 2 I loved. Super Marathon was both games in one. These were early Bungie pre Halo titles as well.
@@redstratus97 There is an open source version which you just need the assets. These are the unofficial prequels to Halo. The Mac World demo of Halo had Marathon logos through it.
I think we would of had similar technology just would it of been the same speed. If amiga/commodore was still round they had multitasking capabilities in the 90's
I miss Apple products from the 90's. I honestly haven't owned a Mac since the 90's and back then it was a joy to use. It hasn't been easy or enjoyable to use an Apple computer since.
I don't know who the guy in the top hat is but I really think he needs better security, because someone appears to by breaking into his domicile and hanging up pictures of that knob Billy Mitchell! Please let me know if you need my help because I have a special set of skills that could put an end this terrifying situation. Cheers P.S Great content as always :)
Bandai fluffed it. Again. Keep up the good work lass and, as always, stay safe! Love that you’re keeping retro history alive for newbs and teenyboppers that see the thumbnail and compulsively click the gorgeous girl.
@@LadyDecade ‘cause you’re a lil legend LD. I used to follow Richard but the community is just a toxic mess that as an adult I can’t be arsed with. Cue reply from ‘ackshully comment warriors’. 😉
I still think the Apple II is Apple's best computer! I used to play Number Munchers, Word Munchers and Oregon Trail on an Apple II in the school computer lab back in 1st grade and 2nd grade.
The Apple IIGS was more advanced than the macintosh of its day - it had a color GUI that was very mac like a year or two before the Mac was color. better sound and graphics, cheaper. intentionally killed off by apple
If you think that was Apple's best computer you never got to run Mac OS 7-9 on a 68030/68040/PowerPC processor. Flight Unlimited. Oregon Trail II. Wing Commander. Tie Fighter. Civilization II. All the best games and edutainment software ever made for Apple was from this era.
@@darinherrick9224 those were much later than the apple 2gs. the 2gs had the macs of its day beat handily, better price, color GUI that was basically the same as the Mac GUI, before it got color. Vastly more expandable until the Mac 2 came out. Deliberately crippled and killed off by Apple
I've noticed at the 4:48 mark, when you talked about how JVC shared the VHS format, the commercial shown was for the Philips "VCR" format video recorder that came out before VHS.
Thank you so much for that opening! It gets really tiring whenever people are talking about devices and the Apple users they always say "Oh yeah like the iPhone". Like they don't know any smartphone other than an iPhone Are you kidding me? Actually a lot more people use Android than they use iPhone anyway.
Okay I own an apple Bandai Pippin I bought one because I was curious about the hardware and how much hacking you could actually do on the hardware and what's funny is almost the entire library of the Apple Bandai Pippin can run on a Macintosh Not only was there no copy protection they basically took a strip down version of Mac OS 8.5 and put it on the CD so essentially the CD would boot any Macintosh that was compatible with Mac OS 8.5 you didn't need to buy a Pippin you could actually just boot it on your home Macintosh some of the wild things you see with the Pippin is the ram slot on the bottom of the Pippin is the same Ram module as a power book so Apple borrowed from a lot of different things what is the most screwed up thing about this console is when it failed if you're wondering why you can find consoles everywhere in Japan new in box sealed it's because no one has the software to run on it and it's not their fault it's actually on purpose when the Apple Bandai Pippin failed Apple bought back the stock of the Apple Bandai Pippins that didn't sell and had them destroyed along with the software this is why CDs for the Apple Bandai Pippin fetch a hefty sum of $500 a CD on up
@@pigs18 no actually consoles were destroyed in the US version of the console and the software was to that's why if you go look for Apple Bandai Pippin software whether it be Japanese or English software a lot of it fetches huge prices not because of what it is or the popularity of the software it's literally just because they destroyed the software when it didn't sell
Heh. The corporate culture at Apple around that time was really wild. Multiple competing projects within the company, each sabotaging each other and trying to be the 'next thing that matters'. If Apple had learned how to work with, well, itself, it really could have been something at the time. Though it should be noted, NeXT was also doing very poorly, Apple was not really threatened by them. The problem Apple did have was that their next OS project was doing SO badly that it was cheaper to buy NeXT and use its OS than it was to scrap their own and restart. Jobs coming back was more of a 'if you want my OS, you have to put me back in charge' move, and he nearly killed the company again...
How did he almost kill them "again"? Apple's original issues were not because of Jobs but because they were spreading out so thin that the quality and innovation was lost. He started on the iPad first and then realized that the phone market would be better so instead of doing that as well he moved all resources to the iPhone.
Pippin was released in 1996, before Apple the company itself became "a smash hit". Its last "smash hit" prior to 1996 was probably back in the 80s when Steve Jobs was still in Apple. Apple up until that point of 1996/1997 was nearly at a state of bankrupcy lol.
I almost bought one a few years ago for 350 Euros but there was also a PC Turbo Duo R modified to play North American HuCards and I only had enough budgeted for one. Two hundred was a heck of a deal!
It was a bad idea creating this hardware as a gaming console instead of a living room gaming pc with apple manufacuring the hardware while bandai do the publishing and create software. Worst part, there is no 3d accelerator chip or add-on cpu/gpu card slot like the pc-fx.
Given how great the edutainment sector was for Mac in the 90s (Civilization; Oregon Trail II, Interactive Storybooks; Carmen Sandiego; Myst) I'm almost shocked this console wasn't wildly successful. Looks like a case where the best software just didn't get ported at launch. Cuz man, I was playing some AWESOME edutainment titles on my Mac in 90's.
The pipin was impressive in a number of ways it had a vga & s-video connectors right on the unit, but as someone else mentioned not having dedicated 3D chip doomed it
@@kannabi the M1 looks pretty cool but before that they were kinda creeping into the doldrums again. The screens on iPhones are fragile as hell, they went from great upgradeable machines, the G4 and G5 towers to insulated things again. . . I'm interested in the M1 but the whole intel era just seemed like kind of a ripoff. . hell, you could build one yourself
@@dauntae24 Apple licensed the idea of the GUI somewhat fair & square in exchange for Xerox getting some Apple stock. Apple were dodgy though in the sense that they tried to sue Microsoft over windows as if they had ownership over the idea of a GUI then Xerox filed a lawsuit against Apple in case they (Apple) won the lawsuit against microsoft so that they could copyright the look & fell of a GUI since they originally invented it not Apple.
I only like Apple for their Apple IIe and Apple IIGS computers, those are great retro computers and had several nice exclusive games. Everything else they made is just meh
IIGS was a great underrated (and hobbled) machine that sadly never reached its full potential, it could have been up there with the Amiga and the Atari ST
Without Steve Jobs Apple wouldn't have been as successful as it is now. I don't remember the Pippin system but obviously it wasn't that good anyway. If Steve Jobs hadn't came back to Apple then they would have to file for bankruptcy and closed their doors for good. In the words of a certain TH-camr "What were they thinking "
Apple pippin hardware is outdated to compete in the 5th gen and pc gaming era. It needed a svga or sxga video output. Marketed as a MAC OS 7 and later 8 (KMP 2000 model) living room pc.
Consoles back then. Custom hardware sometimes computers, needing marketing to help it. These days all wanting to be like computers with hardware so easier to develop for and to allow for people getting used to them with expandable storage, still console/streaming service like boring menus and internet among media expected even if gamers may not care but people do use them for many features to keep up with phones and computers. Consolided hardware made sense but yeah I think too much for some people to care back then even if beneficial for companies but in some cases like Atari pushing their computers to much on consoles wasn't the best idea when many Devs wanted more power or customers grew to expect more once upgrading was expected compared to questioning why you would need to upgrade. Never been into Apple products than a Shuffle and Apple TVs but always cool to research what they did attempt. Besides being a bad time for the company. That and Jobs had the marketing angle back then. Clearly it shows a company focused on its own products was better offer depending on the deals they made of course then. Or that in the games industry people don't care (3DO having other issues or it being confusing) then the computer industry with Windows being a license for OEMs to out on many computers, Google making it an open platform for Android as examples. They have the App Store/Apple Arcade so no need for one now but still. That's surprising (besides hardware as don't know enough about Power PC as much hardware from that era as much. But it is hard to make hardware powerful enough for developers to make/port games over or other software but suitable enough for customers to buy and if manufacturers take the hit for loss or not that (and I'd they commit to multiple consoles after that to keep having an install base) and also I guess the price is as fine/a bit high for a games console as far as I get of Yen to USD) as it was an option but clearly users weren't interested or it wasn't as big of a deal to customers than what was already offered in gaming I guess even with big IPs on it I assume the marketing or other types of games weren't there besides the quality of being I assume not appealing or great I don't know much about it's library. But it does say a lot where the Xbox follows Windows a bit too much at times besides being distinct in others even if both Windows and Xbox teams don't see eye to eye but still keeps going or the Windows CE benefitted the Dreamcast or Gizmondo and I think the OG Xbox besides their focus on developers. Maybe the deals for companies just wasn't worth it compared to others for make games on the platform outside of Mac games. While Apple users were content with their Mac's already doesn't surprise me they have the option they need and those outside the ecosystem probably did or didn't care. Then again how many people remember the Newton their device before the iPhone as a I think PDA/general purpose device. I forget if it was around the same time as the Atari like Pocket PC/PDA the Profile/Portfolio forget the name but something like that. Still had a monochrome screen and a compact computer device capable of so much on the go.
I knew of the system, but not that it was part of a larger project. Can you imagine if this clone thing had worked out? The history of Apple and electronics in general would’ve played out quite differently. It’s probably not a stretch to say that Pippin needed to die to get to where we are now. If Apple had turned their fortunes around with the format, then there probably would’ve been no need to bring Steve Jobs back in the late ‘90s. He wasn’t an engineer or a programmer, but he had an eye for the next big thing. No Jobs means no iMac, which was a project he personally spearheaded. More importantly, there’d be no iPod or iPhone. They may not have been the first MP3 player or smart phone, but they definitely popularized them. Maybe these devices never would’ve caught on, or maybe they would’ve been popularized by NeXT (the company Jobs started during his absence, which Apple purchased in 1996). I don’t have quite the imagination to see a world where NeXT bumped Apple off like Microsoft did with Sega and everything associated with post-1996 Apple was released by NeXT instead (mostly because I don’t think NeXT had the resources to build that stuff on their own), but Apple might have lost a significant share in the personal computer market. It could’ve been a fairly close race between Microsoft, Apple, and NeXT, or perhaps Apple and NeXT would have both collapsed, leaving Microsoft with a virtual monopoly.
There were a few Mac clones released in the 90s under it but I don't think they went far because they weren't near the build quality and a soon as Jobs came back he killed the clone program.
I said "normally in these stories, the companies are never heard from again". Where did I specify Bandai? That wouldn't make sense as I uploaded a Wonderswan episode only about 6 months ago.
I have one i bought from ebay for $500 new I saw the games where more expensive than the console but since everyone says there is no copy protection i burn my own games into discs and out of 100's of time i tried to play them i only got i game to work once.... power ranger zeo and it never work again on any pirated game. Real games will boot right away
iPhone- a necessity for people who like features removed annually Edit 1- you madlads own both Pippin's' Edit 2- are the controllers ports standard USB?
Also in the mid 90s, Microsoft saved Apple's asses from going under completely. I'm sure this Pippen system didn't help matters much during that time either.
No. The $150 million investment from MS didn't saved anything. Apple's Quicktime lawsuit against MS AVI was settled and that is why MS suddenly "invested". They found code in AVI that still had the exact comments from Quicktime. Literal Copy/Paste. They settled out of court and agreed to share tech, multiple undisclosed payments which totals vary depending on which insider is telling the story but it's around billions. Also an agreement that MS Office and IE will continue on MacOS until 2012. Since then MS continued with Office cause it makes them money, dropped IE because Safari and MS Web Fonts is still available.
with the pippin hardware, apple bet on the powerPC cpu and failed to include a beefy video chip with 3D acceleration. this would ensure the doom of the format, among other factors.
If it enter as a gaming pc for the living room with the 3d card and add-on slot. It would've perform much better than releasing it as a home multimedia console
The Apple Pippin was so bad that even the lowly Atari Jaguar outsold it. The Bandai Apple Pippin a necessity for ungracious living
That actress from the Playdia commercial was famous as a homeless child character she played on a show called Ie Naki Ko. The second season went off the rails. Definitely recommend if you like absurd Asian dramas.
Apple between 1987 and the return of Jobs was a very “let’s throw stuff against the wall and see what sticks”.
This, an early “smart TV”-esque terminal system, Newton, and half a billion Mac lines that were all literally the same hardware - and the clone thing, too - caused them too many problems as a company.
Oh, and many of the games could run on a real Mac with similar hardware.
Some of the coolest mods you can do to an Apple Bandai Pippin are simple you can install a scuzzy port on the back of the machine and replace the internal drive cable that goes to the CD drive and add a external hard drive similar to the developer models that had a scuzzy port out the back the system does not stop you from adding a hard drive which is very very odd basically if you took the ram bios module that you see on the board and remove it and plug a apple bios chip into it it would basically become a Macintosh 100% at nearly a quarter of the price the Apple Bandai Pippin sold for $700 in some regions which was not a bad price considering a Apple Macintosh was nearly $12,000
Im pretty sure you cant turn it into a 12000 dollar mac equivalent. Maybe a 1500 or 2000 one
@@JustinEdwords no and you have to understand from a retro standpoint this is a retro Macintosh so nothing in modern if you're thinking modern price tags then yeah no way in hell
yeo thats badass 🔥
The Bandai Apple Pippin was so expensive when it came out and it tanked almost immediately out of the gate
the biggest problem is they advertised it only as a console while it functions more as a computer
That's not really why Apple bought NeXT. Apple were in a position where their efforts to replace MacOS Classic were going horribly wrong (Copland, Pink, &c.), and they needed a new starting point. It pretty much a choice between NeXT and BeOS, but Be's CEO Jean-Louis Gassée overplayed his hand, so the second choice of NeXT was the only option.
Exactly! Apple absolutely needed NeXT for their OS as Apple's own OS efforts were falling completely flat.
Also LD, while Apple was having a somewhat rough time throughout much of the 90's they were nowhere near bankruptcy. In 1997 Apple still had at least 1 billion dollars in reserve cash and Microsoft also pumped in an additional 150 million dollars via an investment which benefitted both companies.
I really enjoyed the video, but I think for Apple bringing Steve back in the fold was a good bonus but not the prime motivation. Apple needed a new OS, as thier own plans to replace MacOS with copland had really not gone well and after years of delay they had thrown in the towel. Everyone assume BeOS would be the replacment, but after Apple could not come to terms with BeOS (as BeOS wanted way too much money) Apple bought NeXT so they could take its OS OpenStep and produce their own OS based on it (OS X). NeXT also really needed Apple to buy them as NeXT where a few months off declaring bankruptcy.
True, but I think the long term plan was also to bring Steve Jobs back. Apple was in big trouble in the 90s and I think they knew he was the guy who could turn it around. NeXT also made headway into the education sector which made it a lucrative investment despite having zero marketshare in the consumer space. That said, I'm not sure how much of a role NeXTSTEP played into the decision. But it is worth noting that it is the direct predecessor for MacOS (and subsequently iOS) starting with OSX. Thus, it's legacy exists to this day.
Choralone422 i think it was 1996 that apple was close to bankruptcy. The clones were doing way better than their own computers. The microsoft deal didnt happen until 1997.
I remember BeOS was a flash in the pan. Think I had a copy at one point.
13:22 - Gotta love that Son Goku themed "This Windows 95 window is not responding" simulator!
The PipPin wasn't that bad, it was the lack of good games and the high price that killed it :) Just saying ;)
I agree. It was bad pricing and low quality games which caused the Apple Pippin to fail.
1993/1994-1997 was such a weird era for game consoles. I love the history
I've had the pleasure to play one at a gaming convention. It's was bizarre but cool at the same time.
I remember when this was in the stores and thinking to myself “damn, I already have a Mac that has a horribly pathetic list of games available compared to other computers and now they want me to buy this over priced garbage with even FEWER GAMES”? 😂😂😂
In an alternate universe, the Pippin was a big seller Worlwide, Apple never bothered to buy NeXT and Jobs never came back to the company he left. And when Microsoft released the X-BOX, Apple answer them by making the Pippin XP, making Apple being more involved in video game business, unlike what's happening recently.
The Pippin alone wouldn't have saved Apple. One of the biggest problems of Apple in the nineties were their multiple failed attempts at developing a more modern version of the Mac OS, and so the official main reason for buying NeXT was actually their operating system NeXTSTEP which would become the basis of Mac OS X.
So in that timeline, who wins the 5th generation console war? Sega, Sony, or Nintendo?
@@plasmaoctopus1728 Good question there.
As a kid I was never allowed to own apple anything my dad is a Microsoft certified computer programmer and still to this day looks down at apple anything
Pippin is a cultivar of apple (like Macintosh)...but, in what board meeting, did they decide "Pippin" was the best name for this console, when you have a cultivar of apple named "Spartan"!
The PiPP!N controller has to be the least ergonomic design I have ever seen.
Steve Jobs didn't want to be in the console Market anyway he said we are a tech company we don't make games
Steve wasn’t even working for apple during that period. Steve showcased a PlayStation emulator running on a mac in the late 90s when he came back to Apple. So what you said isn’t entirely true
As lifelong Android user (I actually had the very first Android phone the HTC Google G1) I've never lived graciously.
Edit: I did have Apple macintosh computers all throughout the 90's. Does that count? Lol.
Seriously though internet gaming mattered to me back then. My cousins and I played command and conquer and battlefield 1942 and other games via LAN connections which meant piling our gaming rigs into cars and dragging them over to someones house and taking over their dining room which none of the aunts liked very much. Lol
As an American with a heavy Californian accent; whenever I say out loud or internally “Lady Decade” it is certainly in some form of a British accent. This is involuntary and I do not mean to offend. 😗
Even she pronounces it in American english. So i am sure its okay
I am NOT holding an Iphone. In fact, I've never owned an Apple product.
Thank you TH-cam algorithm! Been binging your channel since I discovered it last week. Keep em' coming!
It seems like every one of these obscure consoles has at least 1 title that is worth revisiting because it holds up. Any examples for this rig?
Probably Super Marathon. I had a Mac Power PC back in the day. Marathon 1 and 2 I loved. Super Marathon was both games in one. These were early Bungie pre Halo titles as well.
@@redstratus97 There is an open source version which you just need the assets. These are the unofficial prequels to Halo. The Mac World demo of Halo had Marathon logos through it.
I think we would of had similar technology just would it of been the same speed. If amiga/commodore was still round they had multitasking capabilities in the 90's
Imagine paying $600 in 1996 for a console that would only get 23 games. At least 32x owners must have felt better about themselves after seeing this.
The Office Max has a Pippen on open box clearance in 1996 around my house. Sadly my mom wouldn't grab it.
I miss Apple products from the 90's. I honestly haven't owned a Mac since the 90's and back then it was a joy to use. It hasn't been easy or enjoyable to use an Apple computer since.
I don't know who the guy in the top hat is but I really think he needs better security, because someone appears to by breaking into his domicile and hanging up pictures of that knob Billy Mitchell!
Please let me know if you need my help because I have a special set of skills that could put an end this terrifying situation.
Cheers
P.S Great content as always :)
The 90s were apples decade of puberty..everything was awkward and misunderstood
Bandai fluffed it. Again.
Keep up the good work lass and, as always, stay safe!
Love that you’re keeping retro history alive for newbs and teenyboppers that see the thumbnail and compulsively click the gorgeous girl.
You always leave me such lovely comments on all my videos - thank you xxxx
@@LadyDecade ‘cause you’re a lil legend LD. I used to follow Richard but the community is just a toxic mess that as an adult I can’t be arsed with. Cue reply from ‘ackshully comment warriors’. 😉
I still think the Apple II is Apple's best computer! I used to play Number Munchers, Word Munchers and Oregon Trail on an Apple II in the school computer lab back in 1st grade and 2nd grade.
The Apple IIGS was more advanced than the macintosh of its day - it had a color GUI that was very mac like a year or two before the Mac was color. better sound and graphics, cheaper. intentionally killed off by apple
@@JustinEdwords came here to say ][ GS as well. It was a great machine ahead of its time.
If you think that was Apple's best computer you never got to run Mac OS 7-9 on a 68030/68040/PowerPC processor.
Flight Unlimited. Oregon Trail II. Wing Commander. Tie Fighter. Civilization II. All the best games and edutainment software ever made for Apple was from this era.
@@darinherrick9224 those were much later than the apple 2gs. the 2gs had the macs of its day beat handily, better price, color GUI that was basically the same as the Mac GUI, before it got color. Vastly more expandable until the Mac 2 came out. Deliberately crippled and killed off by Apple
I've noticed at the 4:48 mark, when you talked about how JVC shared the VHS format, the commercial shown was for the Philips "VCR" format video recorder that came out before VHS.
Thank you so much for that opening! It gets really tiring whenever people are talking about devices and the Apple users they always say "Oh yeah like the iPhone". Like they don't know any smartphone other than an iPhone Are you kidding me? Actually a lot more people use Android than they use iPhone anyway.
The "Brack Friday Bunduru" reference made my day!
Mine too 🤣
Okay I own an apple Bandai Pippin I bought one because I was curious about the hardware and how much hacking you could actually do on the hardware and what's funny is almost the entire library of the Apple Bandai Pippin can run on a Macintosh Not only was there no copy protection they basically took a strip down version of Mac OS 8.5 and put it on the CD so essentially the CD would boot any Macintosh that was compatible with Mac OS 8.5 you didn't need to buy a Pippin you could actually just boot it on your home Macintosh some of the wild things you see with the Pippin is the ram slot on the bottom of the Pippin is the same Ram module as a power book so Apple borrowed from a lot of different things what is the most screwed up thing about this console is when it failed if you're wondering why you can find consoles everywhere in Japan new in box sealed it's because no one has the software to run on it and it's not their fault it's actually on purpose when the Apple Bandai Pippin failed Apple bought back the stock of the Apple Bandai Pippins that didn't sell and had them destroyed along with the software this is why CDs for the Apple Bandai Pippin fetch a hefty sum of $500 a CD on up
Those Japanese consoles are the unsold American product repackaged for the Japanese market. Only the shells were destroyed.
@@pigs18 no actually consoles were destroyed in the US version of the console and the software was to that's why if you go look for Apple Bandai Pippin software whether it be Japanese or English software a lot of it fetches huge prices not because of what it is or the popularity of the software it's literally just because they destroyed the software when it didn't sell
@@johnDingoFoxVelocity Source: Video Game Bible 1985-2002, by Andy Slaven
Big mistake naming it after Scotty and not Jordan or Rodman.
The Pippin was never going to be big. There wasn't 2% of the buzz about it than the Jaguar, even
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I always suspected the Pippin to be a reboot of the Mac LC personally.
"Fifth generation console"?Hmmm. I think it's more part of the CD32/3DO/CD-I/Jaguar/Marti generation. That being, generation 4.5.
Heh. The corporate culture at Apple around that time was really wild. Multiple competing projects within the company, each sabotaging each other and trying to be the 'next thing that matters'. If Apple had learned how to work with, well, itself, it really could have been something at the time.
Though it should be noted, NeXT was also doing very poorly, Apple was not really threatened by them. The problem Apple did have was that their next OS project was doing SO badly that it was cheaper to buy NeXT and use its OS than it was to scrap their own and restart. Jobs coming back was more of a 'if you want my OS, you have to put me back in charge' move, and he nearly killed the company again...
Reminds me of Sega!
Reminds me of Digital(DEC) in its last years!
@@LadyDecade does seem to be a recurring problem, doesn't it?
@@techman2471 Very true. It a shame DEC pulled it back together technically that bit too late.
How did he almost kill them "again"? Apple's original issues were not because of Jobs but because they were spreading out so thin that the quality and innovation was lost. He started on the iPad first and then realized that the phone market would be better so instead of doing that as well he moved all resources to the iPhone.
Pippin was released in 1996, before Apple the company itself became "a smash hit". Its last "smash hit" prior to 1996 was probably back in the 80s when Steve Jobs was still in Apple. Apple up until that point of 1996/1997 was nearly at a state of bankrupcy lol.
Ahh Mr Potato Head Saves Veggie Valley. One of my well-remembered childhood games
"Brack Friday?" LMAO
I was lucky to buy one years ago on ebay for only 200 euros. One of my best holy grails in my collection.
I almost bought one a few years ago for 350 Euros but there was also a PC Turbo Duo R modified to play North American HuCards and I only had enough budgeted for one. Two hundred was a heck of a deal!
Great soundtrack, with Last Ninja 2 closing the episode)
Great video- but no mention of Bungie’s Marathon for the platform?
This game console sold 42000 units only
this channel is a amazing....
Really ahead of its time, just lack of support and price tag doomed it
While the pippin was ahead of it's time, it was TOO expensive and had no games.
It was a bad idea creating this hardware as a gaming console instead of a living room gaming pc with apple manufacuring the hardware while bandai do the publishing and create software. Worst part, there is no 3d accelerator chip or add-on cpu/gpu card slot like the pc-fx.
This was made under John Scully. Steve Jobs wasn’t working for apple at that time.
Given how great the edutainment sector was for Mac in the 90s (Civilization; Oregon Trail II, Interactive Storybooks; Carmen Sandiego; Myst) I'm almost shocked this console wasn't wildly successful.
Looks like a case where the best software just didn't get ported at launch. Cuz man, I was playing some AWESOME edutainment titles on my Mac in 90's.
The pipin was impressive in a number of ways it had a vga & s-video connectors right on the unit, but as someone else mentioned not having dedicated 3D chip doomed it
Or even a add-on 3d card slot. Also, making the system a console doomed this product
Like the Late Bob Ross used to say there's no such thing as mistakes...only happy accidents
along with the PC Engine and the 3DO
0:53 They have a console on sale! The Apple TV has games, no?
I still think Apple is all style over substance. Their stores are like stepping into a dystopian 80's sci-fi movie.
@@kannabi the M1 looks pretty cool but before that they were kinda creeping into the doldrums again. The screens on iPhones are fragile as hell, they went from great upgradeable machines, the G4 and G5 towers to insulated things again. . .
I'm interested in the M1 but the whole intel era just seemed like kind of a ripoff. . hell, you could build one yourself
Most of the US works fine with Stadia, just like it did with OnLive. Don't know about the UK.
Funny enough, "Pippin" means "apple." Thanks, @SteveTownsend!
What's the little white laptop @4:58 ?
I’m glad Jobs is increasingly being seen for what he was. A thief and a joke.
@@YoureUsingWordsIncorrectly much of his early success was because of him literally (not said for emphasis) stealing from Xerox.
Funny, I used to think of him that way, but time has been kinder to him, I think. Since he died, big tech hasn't literally had a single new idea
@@dauntae24 Apple licensed the idea of the GUI somewhat fair & square in exchange for Xerox getting some Apple stock. Apple were dodgy though in the sense that they tried to sue Microsoft over windows as if they had ownership over the idea of a GUI then Xerox filed a lawsuit against Apple in case they (Apple) won the lawsuit against microsoft so that they could copyright the look & fell of a GUI since they originally invented it not Apple.
When linus's tech crew reported apple might be entering the console wars in 2022 .... and didn't know about this abysmal abomination. Mind blown.
Your right Lady Decade I'm typing this on a Android phone not a Iphone
I only like Apple for their Apple IIe and Apple IIGS computers, those are great retro computers and had several nice exclusive games. Everything else they made is just meh
IIGS was a great underrated (and hobbled) machine that sadly never reached its full potential, it could have been up there with the Amiga and the Atari ST
@@JustinEdwords I agree Apple was never that popular for gaming & they should have pushed the IIGS to compete against Amiga & Atari :)
Thank you, LD!
Didn't realise Deanna Troi had left Star Fleet and became a tech journo. 🥰
Plans for the Frodo were cancelled
Pippin... good grief, even the name is terrible.
Without Steve Jobs Apple wouldn't have been as successful as it is now. I don't remember the Pippin system but obviously it wasn't that good anyway. If Steve Jobs hadn't came back to Apple then they would have to file for bankruptcy and closed their doors for good. In the words of a certain TH-camr "What were they thinking "
Wow. And so we got the iPhone. History turns on tiny hinges I guess.
Who's this "we" you speak of?
Is that Jeoren Tel's Robocop 3 playing in the background?
Excellent video lady keep it up you're my favorite.
Apple pippin hardware is outdated to compete in the 5th gen and pc gaming era. It needed a svga or sxga video output. Marketed as a MAC OS 7 and later 8 (KMP 2000 model) living room pc.
Consoles back then. Custom hardware sometimes computers, needing marketing to help it. These days all wanting to be like computers with hardware so easier to develop for and to allow for people getting used to them with expandable storage, still console/streaming service like boring menus and internet among media expected even if gamers may not care but people do use them for many features to keep up with phones and computers.
Consolided hardware made sense but yeah I think too much for some people to care back then even if beneficial for companies but in some cases like Atari pushing their computers to much on consoles wasn't the best idea when many Devs wanted more power or customers grew to expect more once upgrading was expected compared to questioning why you would need to upgrade.
Never been into Apple products than a Shuffle and Apple TVs but always cool to research what they did attempt.
Besides being a bad time for the company. That and Jobs had the marketing angle back then.
Clearly it shows a company focused on its own products was better offer depending on the deals they made of course then. Or that in the games industry people don't care (3DO having other issues or it being confusing) then the computer industry with Windows being a license for OEMs to out on many computers, Google making it an open platform for Android as examples.
They have the App Store/Apple Arcade so no need for one now but still.
That's surprising (besides hardware as don't know enough about Power PC as much hardware from that era as much. But it is hard to make hardware powerful enough for developers to make/port games over or other software but suitable enough for customers to buy and if manufacturers take the hit for loss or not that (and I'd they commit to multiple consoles after that to keep having an install base) and also I guess the price is as fine/a bit high for a games console as far as I get of Yen to USD) as it was an option but clearly users weren't interested or it wasn't as big of a deal to customers than what was already offered in gaming I guess even with big IPs on it I assume the marketing or other types of games weren't there besides the quality of being I assume not appealing or great I don't know much about it's library.
But it does say a lot where the Xbox follows Windows a bit too much at times besides being distinct in others even if both Windows and Xbox teams don't see eye to eye but still keeps going or the Windows CE benefitted the Dreamcast or Gizmondo and I think the OG Xbox besides their focus on developers.
Maybe the deals for companies just wasn't worth it compared to others for make games on the platform outside of Mac games.
While Apple users were content with their Mac's already doesn't surprise me they have the option they need and those outside the ecosystem probably did or didn't care.
Then again how many people remember the Newton their device before the iPhone as a I think PDA/general purpose device. I forget if it was around the same time as the Atari like Pocket PC/PDA the Profile/Portfolio forget the name but something like that. Still had a monochrome screen and a compact computer device capable of so much on the go.
I didn’t even know this was a thing
A software modem is what you'd often find on PC as a "WinModem"
Windows 95 owned them
Image if Halo had made its debut on a Pippin.
Which was the bigger clip surprise, the "Angry Video Game Nerd" clip, or the ones from "The Computer Chronicles"?
OS X is pronounced "OS 10", actually. The X is a Roman numeral.
I knew of the system, but not that it was part of a larger project. Can you imagine if this clone thing had worked out? The history of Apple and electronics in general would’ve played out quite differently. It’s probably not a stretch to say that Pippin needed to die to get to where we are now. If Apple had turned their fortunes around with the format, then there probably would’ve been no need to bring Steve Jobs back in the late ‘90s. He wasn’t an engineer or a programmer, but he had an eye for the next big thing. No Jobs means no iMac, which was a project he personally spearheaded. More importantly, there’d be no iPod or iPhone. They may not have been the first MP3 player or smart phone, but they definitely popularized them. Maybe these devices never would’ve caught on, or maybe they would’ve been popularized by NeXT (the company Jobs started during his absence, which Apple purchased in 1996). I don’t have quite the imagination to see a world where NeXT bumped Apple off like Microsoft did with Sega and everything associated with post-1996 Apple was released by NeXT instead (mostly because I don’t think NeXT had the resources to build that stuff on their own), but Apple might have lost a significant share in the personal computer market. It could’ve been a fairly close race between Microsoft, Apple, and NeXT, or perhaps Apple and NeXT would have both collapsed, leaving Microsoft with a virtual monopoly.
There were a few Mac clones released in the 90s under it but I don't think they went far because they weren't near the build quality and a soon as Jobs came back he killed the clone program.
NeXT was not allowed to compete with Apple outside of the education market. That was due to a settlement when Jobs poached Apple's Mac Engineers.
Bandai the company still made video games until 2014 I don't know why you said they would never heard from again
I said "normally in these stories, the companies are never heard from again". Where did I specify Bandai? That wouldn't make sense as I uploaded a Wonderswan episode only about 6 months ago.
@@LadyDecade sorry I went back and listened I just missed heard you keep making great content I love your videos
Pretty good stuff
Can't wait til you do a video about Google Stadia! It feels like it's non existent at this point!
Another necessity for gracious living..
I have one i bought from ebay for $500 new I saw the games where more expensive than the console but since everyone says there is no copy protection i burn my own games into discs and out of 100's of time i tried to play them i only got i game to work once.... power ranger zeo and it never work again on any pirated game. Real games will boot right away
Wait, isn't Steve Jobs Steve DEAD now?
I like the design of the console
Me too, it's just sooooo heavy 😂
I was hoping something would be "ILEEEEEEGAL" in this edit.. oh well maybe next time
Apple is still irrelevant to me, as I never did buy into their overpriced garbage :)
@hadlee73 Same
Chiptune that is playing at 2:00?
Pippin was much better on Broadway. Oh, and on the basketball court.
But still way worse in Lord of the Rings
@@nettack nice! Missed that one!
@@nettack I fell asleep during those movies so I must've missed it.
@Jonathan Sein yh I like pippin on the basketball court not under my TV thinking it's a video game console :)
Apple 🍎 sucks iPhone sucks this console now would probably suck
Lady Decade is pretty cute imo❤
iPhone- a necessity for people who like features removed annually
Edit 1- you madlads own both Pippin's'
Edit 2- are the controllers ports standard USB?
Underrated comment.
Also in the mid 90s, Microsoft saved Apple's asses from going under completely. I'm sure this Pippen system didn't help matters much during that time either.
No. The $150 million investment from MS didn't saved anything. Apple's Quicktime lawsuit against MS AVI was settled and that is why MS suddenly "invested". They found code in AVI that still had the exact comments from Quicktime. Literal Copy/Paste. They settled out of court and agreed to share tech, multiple undisclosed payments which totals vary depending on which insider is telling the story but it's around billions. Also an agreement that MS Office and IE will continue on MacOS until 2012. Since then MS continued with Office cause it makes them money, dropped IE because Safari and MS Web Fonts is still available.
the first Lady Decade video I stopped watching less than a minute in
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Top 🎩 gamer is really lucky, you're really pretty and love retro gaming...not a combo you commonly see.
Brack friday bunduru of Pippin? Shut up and take my money 💸💸💸
i love yr channel my kids are also white and middle eastern