I was the one who submitted the story to Reddit which is being read here. As requested, I'm opening the floor to any questions about the campaign, with the obvious proviso that a number of the really obvious questions one might as will be answered in part 2.
Im not sure if it will be answered or not but I also have to ask. Did any of the other players or the DM react to your description of what you did in the river?
That scene with the guard... I would have told the guard, after that flippant answer "Then you shall also be guilty of murdering me, and my father shall have you executed. NOW LET ME GET THE CURE FOR THIS OUT OF THAT OLD MAN BEFORE I SAVE MY FATHER THE TROUBLE OF KILLING YOU BY DOING IT MYSELF!"
Your tolerance for unprecedented bullshit is higher than mine. After the whole "people curse each other all the time" thing, I'd have just attacked the guards, and if I managed to kill them "Eh, I just put a Death Curse on them, no biggy. It's quite simple actually: it has the somatic and material components, material being a weapon that I'm proficient with"
I am a 57 year old totally and permanently disabled former DM and D&D player going all the way back to the early 1980's , who has nothing to do all day except watch TH-cam. I really enjoy watching your videos, they are very entertaining.You are a great story teller. Please keep it up.
"people around here lay curses like this on each other all the time" really? allow me, dear reader, to detail to you every single problem with this idea which the DM produced: 1. why does a significant portion of the population have access to the means to create *death curses* to apply on items? 2. furthermore, how does this significant portion of the population has access to the means to apply these curses *in the course of a half hour*? 3.if this happens all the time, why isn't there anything set up to dispel death curses? 4. if this happens all the time, why isn't there anything set up to detect death curses on items? 5. how is the city still populated if people are death-cursing each other all the time? 6.why are they not classing this as murder when it causes the person to die? 7.who came up with the idea that punishing an action WOULDN'T reduce the amount that action is done, as these guards say? 8.why are the guards threatening someone with community service? honestly there are probably more but i've ranted enough. if anyone wants to reply with more plot holes present in this singular explanation go ahead
Not only did her cast the curse in half an hour, but he did so while making off with the armor. Imagine dragging armor in escape and casting a curse at the same time that probably requires material components.
@@MrBearyMcBearface in half an hour, being chased by guards and apparently doing so in such a way the guards either didn't notice or didn't care there was a death curse being performed, no less
@@MrBearyMcBearface they also must've ignored it the *first* few times as well, given that it would logically prompt the death penalty before it was normalized
@@aldar8240 if I were the dm, I'd have the guard say "there is no proof he did anything but force the armor to stay on you. In fact we don't even know if that's true. Try to take it off in front of us." because to be honest, there isn't any way they could know it's not just insane old man ramblings.
You got to love these 2-parters. It leaves the viewers on a sense of suspense on what will happen next. I still wait for the day to meet the ancient Tarrasque face to face............
No. Worse. "By Gygax and Mercer, may the curse of Wheaton be forever upon that DM's dice, and may the Favors of Jaffe and Riegel be upon their players."
I don't really like using curses, just in general. unless they're fun for both me and the player who gets cursed (like vampirism or lycanthropy, or something silly like he has to crow like a rooster whenever he sees a red headed drow maiden). Other than that, they feel like a punishment and should only be used as such.
Yeah, i personally like to ignore curses and diseases, hell, some races are just comepletely immune to all diseases anyway (like warforged), so not that it matters too much in that regaurd
@@ArmegeddonCraft I love being a lycan. the were-tigers are probably the best since you don't have to change your alignment too drastically to get control over it.
I think the DM was using it as punishment. He had a plot where the pcs were taken as slaves by the military that got ruined by the new pc showing up and throwing his noble-character-weight around and derailing his plot. So he punished the new guy. I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying that that's probably how he looks at it.
@@galeden5700 And moreover by a character who we were given to understand wasn't even a spellcaster. My sense is that the DM's idea was that people could have some sort of like "pocket of curse-powder" they could drop on items or something nonsensical like that.
@@echo_ironside8006 After the end of the second session, Ray and I went to a Denny's and spent literally hours into the night complaining vigorously about it. As to the players of Tinpot and Zap... well, Zap's player was the DM's boyfriend, and was only just BARELY playing the game, so I doubt that he particularly cared. Tinpot's player, whom I would play with again in another campaign later on, seemed like the sort of player who required this sort of railroading since he took very little initiative on his own. My sense is that those two were the sorts of players whose style the DM's style of DMing was geared towards.
I've always detested "and then my twin brother with the same stats shows up" approach, but I admit in this situation it would have felt justified. You'll see in part 2 the moment that my character decides to nope the fuck out of this adventure.
WaveShock007 ikr. I made a cool campaign for my friends, but none of them made time to hang out with me. 😢 and I work so hard to make it fun for them. I even added their back stories as sub plots.
As a gm I know you should accept the possibility of the players doing something you didnt plan for that me derails things abit but I never saw a GM actively derail their own campaign like this over something so minute. Also ive gotta question the logistics of some frail old man: breaking into an inn, putting a curse on something, dragging PLATE MAIL out of the 2nd story window and drag it across the town ALL IN 30 MINUTES!! Another thing that really erk'd me is how incompetent these guards are. Plate armour is worth 1500 gold (assuming the prices are the same) so this aint a petty theft, hes committed breaking and entering aswell as criminal damage (pretty sure the inn keeps will want money for the random broken window) and hes inflicted a life threatening curse onto someone, noble or not thats still attempted murder BARE MINIMUM! And if inflicting life threatening curses onto people is this much of a common occurrence then you guards have some big fucking problems on your hands.
So here's my take on it (I'm the player who submitted the story): I don't think that the DM planned ANY of this out beforehand. Not that death curses were common in this area, not the laws that concerned them, not even the nature of the man who stole my character's armour. He just heard me say that I came downstairs with no armour on for breakfast and immediately started coming up with bad stuff to happen to me as a result. When I started having my character demanding logic out of the setting, in the form of asking characters to react negatively to what had happened, he got in a huff and started coming up with reasons why this was perfectly normal and nothing anyone would get worked up about. I think it was an incredibly defensive bit of behaviour in response to holes being poked in his shitty extemporaneous dungeonmastering.
Papi The Harpy in the campaign I dm my players made good friends with a paladin who they’re mostly fond of. Mainly because he is a voice of reason I use to show my players that not everyone has lost common sense. If he saw what these guards did, he would have a word with the mayor while my players probably did some morally questionable Solutions.
Guard: people lay death curses all the time, he will only be charged with theft. Player: HEY GUYS! MURDER IS LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY! Guard: oh sh*t (And so the party killed everyone in the tower because it was 98% legal)
If I was a dm in some campaign, I would make a town or a country that is outlaw and doesn’t have rules, meaning every death is just Tuesday to them (And what’s the other 2%?)
Aye. I literally just started out as a DM. My only act as DM has been a two-part One-shot, I have none of the guides or handbooks of DnD. All I have that's remotely legit is a Rick and Morty DnD box set I got for Christmas, but even I can tell that this DM's decisions were incredibly ludicrous, highly questionable, and severely lacking logic and consideration.
All you'd have to do to "fix" the cursed armor setup, is to replace the "old guy's alive, and we're giving him community service," with "Old guy perishes as hero puts on armor. Apparently he layed a death curse on it, which would activate when you put your armor back on." Would make it more satisfying for the player, remove a lot of big plot holes, and setup an interesting curse. If you were a particularly smart DM, you'd add a clause about "if you leave solid ground, the curse will amplify," so that the player is stuck trying to find a cure on the island with the party.
Wait... So the armor thief is caught, charged with theft and carted off to a tower to be sentenced, yet nobody thinks the victim needs nor has any right to be involved in any of this? How did they even know he'd stolen the armor in the first place if they didn't know who it belonged to? Is it simply a crime to be running around carrying a suit of armor?
Notes from a NG Human Idiot; Greetings from lovely Restenford(Where it's more Rain than Snow)! I get the feeling this GM wants to keep everyone in the game just so he can "sHoW HoW AweSOME HiS WoRLd Is...." He/She honestly sounds like a Graig/Karen being A GM to me. If i'dve been that Fighter, i'd be gone from that table regardless after the whole "Cursed Armor" BS.... May your pantheon ever favor you (and Happy Thanksgiving!) Baron Trevelyan of Restenford
"I describe shitting my pants because my shitty DM didn't consider the torturous implications of his shitty curse." Mad respect, I've been there too. It's fun to see them think about the "mundane" implications of their whims, especially when it freaks or grosses them out.
In a way, the campaign and the methodology of "I'm going to die in two months" sounds really cool, it's just done really poorly, and the DM kinda forces it upon the player, without a second thought to how the player would feel. DMs gotta remember that they can tell a story, but they aren't playing the story, it's a game for the players, they HAVE to be considerate torwards them, to not make it a miserable mess.
As the player in question, I wasn't so much upset at what had been done to my character per se so much as I was put in a position of asking "Okay, well, why would my character ever stay with these people he'd just met, then? He should just leave and deal with this problem, right?" He'd created a situation in which I couldn't justify continuing to play this character in this campaign, which was infuriating just because it felt so bafflingly idiotic. You'll see how that comes to a culmination in part 2.
Yeah, doing something like that as a DM can be done right, but yeah, the DM obviously has to realize that is going to dominate the play until it is solved. No one in their right mind would ignore a curse that will kill them in two months to go adventure for "the lootz".
A so much better way of keeping the man alive would be “oh we need him alive to try and get a way to dispel the curse out of him. Because it’s a special curse he’s spent decades making”
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My DM is a troll and does something similar. He doesn't outright kill us like this DM, but he keeps forcing a custom Deck of Many Things onto us. He also gave a PC a monkey's paw, which if you don't know what that does, it grants wishes in the most devastating way possible.
The whole tale sounds like a GM who doesn't do any prep for this so-called "homebrew" campaign... You can't have a homebrew world, campaign, or much of anything without doing the actual BREWING, and that (in RPG terms) is prep work. A skilled/experienced GM and Player can get by on a lot of "seat of the pants crap", namely because he/she has been around a block or two, and probably figured it up from someone else. That's just how these types of "Tropes" happen... AND if you (as a Player) haven't been in the crossfire of a trope, then it can be the most popular thing in the rest of the world, and still relatively "new" to you... What usually happens, in spite of GM's regularly applauding themselves for ingenuity away from the Table is that sooner or later, you run out of ideas to pop out on call... AND there's only so much reskinning anything will take before the other Players will start understanding what's going on. I've managed (with noob's mind you) to run a successful adventure session upto about four solid hours of RP... without prep. I can admit, however, that for anyone experienced, it would've lost "cool points" because as good at it as I like to think I am, there's no noteworthy improvement for improv'ing the whole session... AND at some point I'd have seen right through the antics. This guy/gal... Doombow... whatever... Is trying to improvise everything under the pretentious disguise of a "homebrew world and campaign" and the thinking is, if it's "all homebrew" anything will work... which simply isn't the case. That's why we often remark off-hand, that the casual improv' moments that really DO pass the stinky test for a Table (even of relative Noob's) are so far and few between that "the GM was lucky to yank that out of his ass". SO... Players (and GM's) beware... We (at my Table) rotate the GM-position. I don't require total noob's to understand how to GM... BUT sooner or later, it's time to "go in the deep end" so to speak and try at least to float like the big boys and girls. You can't tell a Great GM from a good one until you've been on both sides of that screen... seen it and done it for yourself... It makes continuity a bit of a nightmare, AND of course, the other Players are also ALL GM's at some point... SO they know (learn too damn quickly) when you're improving, even when you're doing it well... AND it can be noticed and still done well enough to pass the "stinky test" with a bunch of Veterans and Grognards. SO in spite of the length of this thing, this isn't an open handed BASH on GM's who improvise, including the one's who do so habitually... as long as they DO also prep adequately... AND the truth is, outside of railroading and metagaming... Prepping at least three separate plots from hooks to fruition is only MOSTLY adequate. GM'ing isn't worth doing because it's easy... Like anything else worth doing, GM'ing is only worth the investment BECAUSE it's difficult. Finally, the Great GM (in case anyone wants my opinion on it) is the one who can run with JUICE... Risk me possibly hating the whole thing, so you can take a chance that someone at the Table will absolutely LOVE it. That includes risking the deaths and dismemberment of PC's (including mine) and even the dreaded TPK... If there isn't risk... there's no reward. PC's live the lives we'd like to believe we wanted, but the nature of being heroic is ultimately a life no normal person would even be willing to shoulder. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 i do improv with prep. Plenty of lore story hooks and atlest 7 looming plots they (my players) can follow. But every game night they might half abandon what they where doing and jump track to follow up on a lead from another story hook. I try very hard not to railroad because of the chaotic nater of my players the first 5 sessions where a nightmare. So i had to start improvising a lot and become a very flexible story teller and DM. It's lead to a lot of fun. And a few death's
@@bipedagamerson8030 OH... It's not just "your Players". Players left to their own are an unpredictable to the point of dangerous bunch... It's even a toss as to whether they tend to be more hazard to themselves or the GM. (lolz) Any decent GM does at least some prep' and some improv'... That's the nature of the Game. Good GM's start picking up the signals of their Table as to what "works" or not so much... Great GM's are the ones who survive long enough to refine that social "reading the room" skill into something between craft and legendary skill. ...and of course, taking a risk of someone possibly hating it, just for a chance at greatness. We (my Table) rotate the duties of GM, often merely by the adventure... SO everyone gets roped into helping craft the world (dirty secret to Players investing in the game... oddly).. AND we oblige a little more because we WILL be the one getting broken when a dubious Player trick starts the rounds. SO... maybe I can "afford" to run a little more cavalier than the next... BUT honestly, I'd never heard of a "Forever GM" until YT (and I've played and GM'ed since the 80's). ;o)
i was wondering whats so bad about this, even the thieving part and the thief's motive. that is, until the guard just shrug 'eh, its just a curse' and gave the thief community service for punishment.
I'm intrigued about the story, but I'm wondering if it is appropriate to be a two-parter? Not that I don't love it, just think that this is not something that you'd want to have to suffer for waiting two days to find out how the crap hits the fan. Then again, I love all of your videos so I'm willing to wait to see how it turns out. Keep up these fantastic videos and I look forward to your next submission.
I feels it's often better to lure players to places you want them to go with the potential for things they want, rather than the threat of death or other horrible things for not going there. Find out what players are hoping to do/get and hint that such things could be found at said place.
But it's even worse than that: The DM was literally creating a situation in which my character no longer had the luxury of time to go to the place that the DM wanted him to go. If anything, he was driving me away from the next quest objective and indeed the main questline!
This- this only happened 3 or so sessions in? By god, this DM is awful... Him making his dmpc prince of another land or whatever is so fucking lame too. Small edit: The guard wanting to marry her also seemed kind of cringy- no matter how grimdark and or corrupt this world is.
I would have left the campaign right there in the wizards tower. Itd make most sense for the character to go back home and I try to adhere to what my character would likely do. The DM set up a scenario for you to leave, so leave.
Bloody wow, start of campain and the dm is already handing out curses - no less death/retirement inducing ones at that. Also, slavery in dnd is touchy because it can really take away from the players having freewill at all if done badly. The dm might as well as told them to make emothionless killing machines that can problem solve, and have one track minds like an AI just focusing on completing a quest to the bitter end.
If a DM ever tried to pull this kind of crap with me I would simply, get up and walk away, not saying a word, since if the DM is going to go out of their way to waste everyone's time by making one person's "spotlight" moment pointless, and in general just do things to purposely hinder the players when there shouldn't be anything hindering them, well sorry not sorry they are a horrible DM. Just DMs like the one in the story really get on my nerves, since I know there have probably been people who were driven away from the hobby because they had a terrible DM, like I'm not saying a new DM has to be the next Matt Mercer or anything like that, but don't go out of your way to essentially antagonize your players, and pull crap on them just because "your the DM" (or any other sort of reason like that), since at the end of the day, there is nothing stopping your players from just getting up and walking away D&D is (most of the time) a cooperative game, since just because your controlling the BBEG, etc. doesn't mean your not allowed to work with them, give them subtle hints or help them, since your the (main) story teller not the villain the heroes have to beat.
Nights of pen and paper 2 WAS fun. They changed it slow it waaaaaaaaaaaaaay the heck down and grindy. Now, you can pay to make it less grindy and win easier.
This just hurt my head. I've both played and ran a game, and a good game will cater to all of the players...not just one and while yeah I don't have a problem with a character getting cursed...but if it happens that much as the guards say then logically they would have ways of dealing with it. Or at the least slowing it down until they can handle it...or better yet tell the character of an item they need from a dungeon on the island. Now not only do they have a goal to obtain to continue staying with the group, but it also gives a small sense of urgency since the island won't be there forever. While it sucks, it adds a goal. Just a bad dm was having too much fun at his players expense.
DM railroading is so annoying. First session, some dmpc comes and pretty much forces us to assemble as a party. We then go on a hunt for a cultist. We find a tavern, interrogate a few of the customers, pass some checks, eventually we find the guy, he tries to flee, we corner him into a barricaded room. We eventually manage to break into and I grapple him. Thus starts the amazing interrogation. The guy kills himself by thrusting himself into my sword (which was sheathed). Whatever, I ressurect him, and tie him "better" this time. We can't get any info out of him at all, so we decide to arrest him and give him to the local lord, along with any evidence he had on him (which was pretty damning). Once we get out of the house, combat starts without initiative, he catches an arrow, I heal him again. He survives this one as well. Eventually we give him to the lord, and he kills him. DM's excuse was that we should have got the hint from the start... Eventually as the plot unravels (we take no part on it, the lord's spy does all the work while we sit through a hearing doing nothing at all), we march as part of an army and we take part in 15 v 5 fights where we hardly get a turn at all, instead watching the soldiers and a dmpc do all the fighting. Next session we have to activate some crystals, and to do so we have to steal an item from a cultist. We find the cultist, kill him (I didn't even bother to keep him alive, I knew what would happen), and we wanted to flee before his buddies understood what was happening. DM would have none of this, he told us that we have to perform a ritual on the spot so we let the druid to cast the ritual, doing literally nothing all fight long, and I decided to set a trap and light the whole tavern on fire when the bad guys entered. Long story short, the baddies literally sidestepped the fire, no penalties from smoke while I was holding a choke point near a window, the sorcerer died from a crit, and eventually we won cause I had stupid amounts of AC, spamming dodge on every round and the warlock was spamming eldritch blast, while the enemies were a horde of goons and low level clerics (5e). Super fun. Next session I left the group during an argument about combat rules which the DM changed whenever he felt like.
"People around here lay curses like this on each other all the time" Then why aren't you correctly punishing the man who basically just admitted to murdering a man by way of death curse? and how the hell would he be able to integrate a curse in 30 minutes?!!? He's just some po-dunk homeless man!!! Also, Why the hell is the curse so dang strong?!!? I mean if it were a Lich placing the curse on the armor, I'd completely understand the need for gold dragon blood to be needed to lift the curse. but it was JUST A FREEKING RANDO ON THE F-ING STREET!!!! AN OLD, FRAIL RANDO BUM ON THE STREET!!!!! AND HE ONLY GOT COMMUNITY SERVICE!!! I'd have said: I demand for him to be better punished! he has just admitted to murdering me, and so far, you've given him a slap on the rist. screw you guys, I'm going home and telling dad to never do trade with any of you.
Wow. I am usually on the GMs side because Gming is a hard & sometimes thankless job & we all make mistakes. But this was bad. Hopefully the GM learns from this mistake & grows from it. S@#t happens when you party naked. Remember that.
I can't fathom how the DM didn't realize that things were going wrong at the part where OP's character had to soil himself in the river. You can be dense enough to miss the previous signs, but when a player narrates something so gross to make a point, that's something else.
11:18 the precise instant where I would have look the DM in the eyes and said "F*ck you, I'm going home." both in and out of character. There is no way in hell that the character would have wasted any seconds following an uncertain trail of potential wizard where he could have simply, like he said, gone home and removed the curse as every major Noble house has court Magician with enough talent to do so. And If the DM start by cursing my character and denying his authority over mere guard as my character is a Noble, then it means the DM didn't want me to play that specific type of character, so why even bother to play said character as I'll probably get more than this curse and probably way worse. No DnD > Bad DnD
The guard's reactions to the curse alone should have been enough reason to bail... It's either proof the DM hates you or proof the DM is not only railroading, but is BAD at it.
Can think of half a dozen ways to keep the party on the island, assuming that's what the DM wants. This campaign has more BS than the player's cursed armor when he went into the river.
In my opinion, any character controlled by a DM that enters the party without specific reason to be overpowered (op DNPCs should only be around for one sidequest and then only as a hireling or NPC friend that helps out if DM deems necessary) should be one level lower than the party, or if they will stick around make them the same level but no share of xp until the party all have leveled up. I have a cleric I created to babysit my players as well as having a sidequest of her own to tue into the next big arc of the campaign start at level 2 but only got xp after the party all were level 3, she ended up bonding the most with the paladin (because he likes to have 1 on 1 session between regular sessions so that he can rp more as there is expressly no fighting or checks in 1 on 1s as a general rule in my group, it's more of a way for him to wander off and gain information on NPCs and rooms of a dungeon without endangering him or anyone else, which I also use to drop clues about his father's disappearance, who in reality had been killed along with his platoon of men and raised by a necromancer in order to fuel her evil plans and insatiable libido for undead men and he will later in the campaign have to come to terms with killing dear old daddy with the family heirloom sword that houses part of an evil spirit) I got off track. But basically I made a heal bot and untalkative NPC that travels with the party at the behest of her old friend and their employer. As well as the Wizard adopting a random goblin he thought was cute into the party who I started at level 1 and still kept 1 level behind so as not to overshadow them. They once rescued a higher level paladin from some goblins and he only traveled with them as far as town and they got a sidequest from him about trying to find his friend who went missing but is secretly evil and trying to take over the town, so I made sure he stayed out of the way until his reason for being op came up (there's a dragon I know they'd need help with). But yeah...that was a bad DM and I'm an overprepared DM.
I’m writing notes on what NOT to do as a DM. A curse that takes half an hour to apply for the guy who did it is just there? That DM clearly forgot that the players need to have fun while playing and no one like a jerk DM.
My character was a fairly low-level fighter and I didn't feel that I could justify him having the knowledge of that spell on-hand. He responded with the knowledge he would logically have. If Ray's character, the sorceress, had been with him during this scene she might have suggested it, but I'm not convinced she had that spell.
I am about to run my first DM story and even I though what that guy was doing was pointless there are better and quicker ways to roleplay something like that
So an old man who's a nobody gets community service for putting a deadly curse on a noble, but another noble like character has to pull strings not to get murder investigations on him for 10 obvious murders... Yeah, cause screw consistensy. That DM sounds like they're just in it for themselves and to kill the players' fun.
Yeah....No.... RPG's are supposed to be fun, collaborative storytelling sessions... DM would have had one less player (at least) before the session was over....
This DM is horrible The forceing a marrage The curse on the lawful nutral player.... I know this type of DM, where the players must fallow the DM storyline Insted of the storyline fallowing the action of the player and only the favorite players can have fun
There truly are some interesting curses and a couple involve rapid aging. My problem is the math involved. If this is a curse, then we must assume the old man used Bestow Curse. It is a touch spell, uses verbal and somatic components, and only takes one action to cast. All of those fall well within the parameters of the rules. Here's the rub! Bestow Curse is a concentration spell, which only last up to 1 minute. There is no way, throughout the chase and red tape it took to finally retrieve the armor, that his curse would still work. Bestowing a permanent curse would require much more time invested. I just don't think that DM much cared for a plot thread that he didn't start.
@@echo_ironside8006 - The OP said that he had started in session 2. He was retconned into adventure on an island, where he met the rest of the characters. The red orcs were going to take them all as slaves, but OP used his backstory and charisma checks get them to release the party to him. OP's character's father want the ultimate weapon, who was the warforged character. That kind of roleplay deserves to be rewarded, not punished. Wouldn't you agree?
@@echo_ironside8006 - I will apologize right back. My initial comment was about the cursed armor. In a fair and balanced game, there is no way to permanently curse an object while being chased through a city. Contingency spells only effect the caster and take a long time to cast. Lastly, as stated before, Bestow Curse only lasts a minute. If the old man was locked up, the armor was locked in the evidence room, and OP was being stonewalled into waiting, there is simply too much time that has passed for the curse to work. Mind you, that is also simply my opinion on the subject, using what I know about D&D.
I was the one who submitted the story to Reddit which is being read here. As requested, I'm opening the floor to any questions about the campaign, with the obvious proviso that a number of the really obvious questions one might as will be answered in part 2.
No questions, only sympathy.
Im not sure if it will be answered or not but I also have to ask. Did any of the other players or the DM react to your description of what you did in the river?
That scene with the guard... I would have told the guard, after that flippant answer "Then you shall also be guilty of murdering me, and my father shall have you executed. NOW LET ME GET THE CURE FOR THIS OUT OF THAT OLD MAN BEFORE I SAVE MY FATHER THE TROUBLE OF KILLING YOU BY DOING IT MYSELF!"
Your tolerance for unprecedented bullshit is higher than mine. After the whole "people curse each other all the time" thing, I'd have just attacked the guards, and if I managed to kill them "Eh, I just put a Death Curse on them, no biggy. It's quite simple actually: it has the somatic and material components, material being a weapon that I'm proficient with"
Why not quit the game?
I am a 57 year old totally and permanently disabled former DM and D&D player going all the way back to the early 1980's , who has nothing to do all day except watch TH-cam. I really enjoy watching your videos, they are very entertaining.You are a great story teller. Please keep it up.
Bless you man
@@nathanaelmaugre7824 , Thank you
Enjoy!
Is it okay if I ask, what happened that keeps you from being able to partake in DnD?
"people around here lay curses like this on each other all the time"
really? allow me, dear reader, to detail to you every single problem with this idea which the DM produced:
1. why does a significant portion of the population have access to the means to create *death curses* to apply on items?
2. furthermore, how does this significant portion of the population has access to the means to apply these curses *in the course of a half hour*?
3.if this happens all the time, why isn't there anything set up to dispel death curses?
4. if this happens all the time, why isn't there anything set up to detect death curses on items?
5. how is the city still populated if people are death-cursing each other all the time?
6.why are they not classing this as murder when it causes the person to die?
7.who came up with the idea that punishing an action WOULDN'T reduce the amount that action is done, as these guards say?
8.why are the guards threatening someone with community service?
honestly there are probably more but i've ranted enough. if anyone wants to reply with more plot holes present in this singular explanation go ahead
Not only did her cast the curse in half an hour, but he did so while making off with the armor. Imagine dragging armor in escape and casting a curse at the same time that probably requires material components.
@@MrBearyMcBearface in half an hour, being chased by guards and apparently doing so in such a way the guards either didn't notice or didn't care there was a death curse being performed, no less
@@aldar8240 whyd the guards even stop him? They can't be bothered to stop rampant murder, but they stop theft?
@@MrBearyMcBearface they also must've ignored it the *first* few times as well, given that it would logically prompt the death penalty before it was normalized
@@aldar8240 if I were the dm, I'd have the guard say "there is no proof he did anything but force the armor to stay on you. In fact we don't even know if that's true. Try to take it off in front of us." because to be honest, there isn't any way they could know it's not just insane old man ramblings.
This dm has already given me an aneurysm
One does not simply commit murder, and not get punished simply because "oh, people do that all the time"
Guess why they do it all the time. Maybe it has to do with not being a punishment for it?
"oh, that's just a Tuesday. Wait till the weekend"
Lol sounds like my hood
You got to love these 2-parters. It leaves the viewers on a sense of suspense on what will happen next.
I still wait for the day to meet the ancient Tarrasque face to face............
At the rate this is going, if they're lucky, they'll meet it half way to the next town and it'll kill them
This DM should be kicked in the dice.
No. Worse. "By Gygax and Mercer, may the curse of Wheaton be forever upon that DM's dice, and may the Favors of Jaffe and Riegel be upon their players."
@@Fetch26291 I would say that's too far, but nah. Seems legit
Roll to hit, boi
I wish for him to get a nat 1 on every roll he ever rolls no matter what it is
I don't really like using curses, just in general. unless they're fun for both me and the player who gets cursed (like vampirism or lycanthropy, or something silly like he has to crow like a rooster whenever he sees a red headed drow maiden). Other than that, they feel like a punishment and should only be used as such.
Yeah, i personally like to ignore curses and diseases, hell, some races are just comepletely immune to all diseases anyway (like warforged), so not that it matters too much in that regaurd
I’ve been turned into a were Tiger before and lemme say it’s a lot of fun as long as you aren’t encountering a lot of silver
@@ArmegeddonCraft I love being a lycan. the were-tigers are probably the best since you don't have to change your alignment too drastically to get control over it.
I think the DM was using it as punishment. He had a plot where the pcs were taken as slaves by the military that got ruined by the new pc showing up and throwing his noble-character-weight around and derailing his plot. So he punished the new guy.
I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying that that's probably how he looks at it.
Cursed items are great... when the curse just won't let you willfully part with the item... like the gambler's blade
this DM sounds like they have no clue what they're doing
Apparently this was an "experienced" gm so I can only imagine what kinda crack this jackass was on
Yeah that is a really shitty homebrew curse to inflict on a character early-campaign.
Right? By all descriptions in the books, a curse like that would take weeks to place, not minutes.
@@galeden5700 And moreover by a character who we were given to understand wasn't even a spellcaster. My sense is that the DM's idea was that people could have some sort of like "pocket of curse-powder" they could drop on items or something nonsensical like that.
@@Davelittler1 it's their fucking game dude. The DM has the final say on shit. If he wanted it to be like that than that's how it will happen.
Am I a bad player for thinking the best solution to all this would have been asking the DM: Yo WTF?!
No no you arent
After the end of the session, we spent about an hour just demanding that he explain what in the world he was thinking with ANY of this.
@@Davelittler1 so the other players were aware of the DM's... "Unique" style and were also complaining about it?
@@echo_ironside8006 After the end of the second session, Ray and I went to a Denny's and spent literally hours into the night complaining vigorously about it. As to the players of Tinpot and Zap... well, Zap's player was the DM's boyfriend, and was only just BARELY playing the game, so I doubt that he particularly cared. Tinpot's player, whom I would play with again in another campaign later on, seemed like the sort of player who required this sort of railroading since he took very little initiative on his own. My sense is that those two were the sorts of players whose style the DM's style of DMing was geared towards.
@@Davelittler1 Is it bad I kinda wanna know what he said so please leave it in part 2
An easy way to get around this is to simply tell the DM . My character leaves , and a character shows up with the exact same stats shows up.
Yeah I would have.
From the sound of it, this DM would just find a way to lay the exact same curse onto the new character too.
@@SamWeltzin And when he got tired of all the clones showing up, he would overstep and the player would leave... And then nobody would be returning.
I've always detested "and then my twin brother with the same stats shows up" approach, but I admit in this situation it would have felt justified. You'll see in part 2 the moment that my character decides to nope the fuck out of this adventure.
@@SamWeltzin Rinse and repeat. Eventually the DM will either stop being an ass, or the player will get tired of his bullshit and leave.
As a dm that hurts so much at the beginning.
WaveShock007 ikr. I made a cool campaign for my friends, but none of them made time to hang out with me. 😢 and I work so hard to make it fun for them. I even added their back stories as sub plots.
As a gm I know you should accept the possibility of the players doing something you didnt plan for that me derails things abit but I never saw a GM actively derail their own campaign like this over something so minute.
Also ive gotta question the logistics of some frail old man: breaking into an inn, putting a curse on something, dragging PLATE MAIL out of the 2nd story window and drag it across the town ALL IN 30 MINUTES!!
Another thing that really erk'd me is how incompetent these guards are. Plate armour is worth 1500 gold (assuming the prices are the same) so this aint a petty theft, hes committed breaking and entering aswell as criminal damage (pretty sure the inn keeps will want money for the random broken window) and hes inflicted a life threatening curse onto someone, noble or not thats still attempted murder BARE MINIMUM! And if inflicting life threatening curses onto people is this much of a common occurrence then you guards have some big fucking problems on your hands.
So here's my take on it (I'm the player who submitted the story): I don't think that the DM planned ANY of this out beforehand. Not that death curses were common in this area, not the laws that concerned them, not even the nature of the man who stole my character's armour. He just heard me say that I came downstairs with no armour on for breakfast and immediately started coming up with bad stuff to happen to me as a result. When I started having my character demanding logic out of the setting, in the form of asking characters to react negatively to what had happened, he got in a huff and started coming up with reasons why this was perfectly normal and nothing anyone would get worked up about. I think it was an incredibly defensive bit of behaviour in response to holes being poked in his shitty extemporaneous dungeonmastering.
Papi The Harpy in the campaign I dm my players made good friends with a paladin who they’re mostly fond of. Mainly because he is a voice of reason I use to show my players that not everyone has lost common sense. If he saw what these guards did, he would have a word with the mayor while my players probably did some morally questionable Solutions.
Guard: people lay death curses all the time, he will only be charged with theft.
Player: HEY GUYS! MURDER IS LEGAL IN THIS COUNTRY!
Guard: oh sh*t
(And so the party killed everyone in the tower because it was 98% legal)
If I was a dm in some campaign, I would make a town or a country that is outlaw and doesn’t have rules, meaning every death is just Tuesday to them
(And what’s the other 2%?)
Thus far, the DM... is total insufferable tool
Nah, at least tools are useful. Totally agree with you though.
as a new dm I don't even understand how you decide to do these things even to me all of this sounds stupid to put players through
Aye. I literally just started out as a DM. My only act as DM has been a two-part One-shot, I have none of the guides or handbooks of DnD. All I have that's remotely legit is a Rick and Morty DnD box set I got for Christmas, but even I can tell that this DM's decisions were incredibly ludicrous, highly questionable, and severely lacking logic and consideration.
All you'd have to do to "fix" the cursed armor setup, is to replace the "old guy's alive, and we're giving him community service," with "Old guy perishes as hero puts on armor. Apparently he layed a death curse on it, which would activate when you put your armor back on." Would make it more satisfying for the player, remove a lot of big plot holes, and setup an interesting curse. If you were a particularly smart DM, you'd add a clause about "if you leave solid ground, the curse will amplify," so that the player is stuck trying to find a cure on the island with the party.
Wait... So the armor thief is caught, charged with theft and carted off to a tower to be sentenced, yet nobody thinks the victim needs nor has any right to be involved in any of this? How did they even know he'd stolen the armor in the first place if they didn't know who it belonged to? Is it simply a crime to be running around carrying a suit of armor?
... Just wow this DM is weird to be nice about it.
Your words are kinder than what I would have said.
Honestly, the ad in the beginning is so good. Nothing to take away from the actual video, of course.
Notes from a NG Human Idiot;
Greetings from lovely Restenford(Where it's more Rain than Snow)!
I get the feeling this GM wants to keep everyone in the game just so he can "sHoW HoW AweSOME HiS WoRLd Is...."
He/She honestly sounds like a Graig/Karen being A GM to me. If i'dve been that Fighter, i'd be gone from that table regardless after the whole "Cursed Armor" BS....
May your pantheon ever favor you (and Happy Thanksgiving!)
Baron Trevelyan of Restenford
"I describe shitting my pants because my shitty DM didn't consider the torturous implications of his shitty curse."
Mad respect, I've been there too. It's fun to see them think about the "mundane" implications of their whims, especially when it freaks or grosses them out.
"Oh yeah, we deal with this sort of curse so often, we won't even punish him for it."
"Sorry, this curse is beyond our means of countering."
In a way, the campaign and the methodology of "I'm going to die in two months" sounds really cool, it's just done really poorly, and the DM kinda forces it upon the player, without a second thought to how the player would feel. DMs gotta remember that they can tell a story, but they aren't playing the story, it's a game for the players, they HAVE to be considerate torwards them, to not make it a miserable mess.
As the player in question, I wasn't so much upset at what had been done to my character per se so much as I was put in a position of asking "Okay, well, why would my character ever stay with these people he'd just met, then? He should just leave and deal with this problem, right?" He'd created a situation in which I couldn't justify continuing to play this character in this campaign, which was infuriating just because it felt so bafflingly idiotic. You'll see how that comes to a culmination in part 2.
Yeah, doing something like that as a DM can be done right, but yeah, the DM obviously has to realize that is going to dominate the play until it is solved. No one in their right mind would ignore a curse that will kill them in two months to go adventure for "the lootz".
Dude you can't just jut in that final fantasy music out of nowhere. Instantly started tearing up lol.
A so much better way of keeping the man alive would be “oh we need him alive to try and get a way to dispel the curse out of him. Because it’s a special curse he’s spent decades making”
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I love your more somber narrations like this one.
As a DM all this is insufferable this DM sounds like he just wanted to torture his player's
My DM is a troll and does something similar. He doesn't outright kill us like this DM, but he keeps forcing a custom Deck of Many Things onto us. He also gave a PC a monkey's paw, which if you don't know what that does, it grants wishes in the most devastating way possible.
@@manwithabasicprofilepic yep that sucks i gave a wish ring
The whole tale sounds like a GM who doesn't do any prep for this so-called "homebrew" campaign... You can't have a homebrew world, campaign, or much of anything without doing the actual BREWING, and that (in RPG terms) is prep work.
A skilled/experienced GM and Player can get by on a lot of "seat of the pants crap", namely because he/she has been around a block or two, and probably figured it up from someone else. That's just how these types of "Tropes" happen...
AND if you (as a Player) haven't been in the crossfire of a trope, then it can be the most popular thing in the rest of the world, and still relatively "new" to you...
What usually happens, in spite of GM's regularly applauding themselves for ingenuity away from the Table is that sooner or later, you run out of ideas to pop out on call... AND there's only so much reskinning anything will take before the other Players will start understanding what's going on.
I've managed (with noob's mind you) to run a successful adventure session upto about four solid hours of RP... without prep. I can admit, however, that for anyone experienced, it would've lost "cool points" because as good at it as I like to think I am, there's no noteworthy improvement for improv'ing the whole session... AND at some point I'd have seen right through the antics.
This guy/gal... Doombow... whatever... Is trying to improvise everything under the pretentious disguise of a "homebrew world and campaign" and the thinking is, if it's "all homebrew" anything will work... which simply isn't the case.
That's why we often remark off-hand, that the casual improv' moments that really DO pass the stinky test for a Table (even of relative Noob's) are so far and few between that "the GM was lucky to yank that out of his ass".
SO... Players (and GM's) beware... We (at my Table) rotate the GM-position. I don't require total noob's to understand how to GM... BUT sooner or later, it's time to "go in the deep end" so to speak and try at least to float like the big boys and girls. You can't tell a Great GM from a good one until you've been on both sides of that screen... seen it and done it for yourself...
It makes continuity a bit of a nightmare, AND of course, the other Players are also ALL GM's at some point... SO they know (learn too damn quickly) when you're improving, even when you're doing it well... AND it can be noticed and still done well enough to pass the "stinky test" with a bunch of Veterans and Grognards.
SO in spite of the length of this thing, this isn't an open handed BASH on GM's who improvise, including the one's who do so habitually... as long as they DO also prep adequately...
AND the truth is, outside of railroading and metagaming... Prepping at least three separate plots from hooks to fruition is only MOSTLY adequate. GM'ing isn't worth doing because it's easy... Like anything else worth doing, GM'ing is only worth the investment BECAUSE it's difficult.
Finally, the Great GM (in case anyone wants my opinion on it) is the one who can run with JUICE... Risk me possibly hating the whole thing, so you can take a chance that someone at the Table will absolutely LOVE it. That includes risking the deaths and dismemberment of PC's (including mine) and even the dreaded TPK... If there isn't risk... there's no reward.
PC's live the lives we'd like to believe we wanted, but the nature of being heroic is ultimately a life no normal person would even be willing to shoulder. ;o)
@@gnarthdarkanen7464 i do improv with prep. Plenty of lore story hooks and atlest 7 looming plots they (my players) can follow. But every game night they might half abandon what they where doing and jump track to follow up on a lead from another story hook.
I try very hard not to railroad because of the chaotic nater of my players the first 5 sessions where a nightmare. So i had to start improvising a lot and become a very flexible story teller and DM. It's lead to a lot of fun. And a few death's
@@bipedagamerson8030 OH... It's not just "your Players". Players left to their own are an unpredictable to the point of dangerous bunch... It's even a toss as to whether they tend to be more hazard to themselves or the GM. (lolz)
Any decent GM does at least some prep' and some improv'... That's the nature of the Game.
Good GM's start picking up the signals of their Table as to what "works" or not so much...
Great GM's are the ones who survive long enough to refine that social "reading the room" skill into something between craft and legendary skill.
...and of course, taking a risk of someone possibly hating it, just for a chance at greatness.
We (my Table) rotate the duties of GM, often merely by the adventure... SO everyone gets roped into helping craft the world (dirty secret to Players investing in the game... oddly).. AND we oblige a little more because we WILL be the one getting broken when a dubious Player trick starts the rounds.
SO... maybe I can "afford" to run a little more cavalier than the next... BUT honestly, I'd never heard of a "Forever GM" until YT (and I've played and GM'ed since the 80's). ;o)
i was wondering whats so bad about this, even the thieving part and the thief's motive.
that is, until the guard just shrug 'eh, its just a curse' and gave the thief community service for punishment.
had to come back to watch part 1 again after forgetting basically every detail from waiting 3 days for part 2.
I'm intrigued about the story, but I'm wondering if it is appropriate to be a two-parter? Not that I don't love it, just think that this is not something that you'd want to have to suffer for waiting two days to find out how the crap hits the fan. Then again, I love all of your videos so I'm willing to wait to see how it turns out. Keep up these fantastic videos and I look forward to your next submission.
I think I laughed way to hard at the "File Not Found" in the sponsor promotion. Fucking god.
And then we ripped up their character sheets in front of their moms. That's just how we rolled
Just realized this involved a character using a charm spell to get OUT of marriage.
I feels it's often better to lure players to places you want them to go with the potential for things they want, rather than the threat of death or other horrible things for not going there. Find out what players are hoping to do/get and hint that such things could be found at said place.
But it's even worse than that: The DM was literally creating a situation in which my character no longer had the luxury of time to go to the place that the DM wanted him to go. If anything, he was driving me away from the next quest objective and indeed the main questline!
I love the use of final fantasy 10 music in the beginning
I would try to ruin it for the dungeon master by being like “I FLEXED MY BICEPS SO HARD THE ARMOR SHATTERED”
This- this only happened 3 or so sessions in? By god, this DM is awful... Him making his dmpc prince of another land or whatever is so fucking lame too.
Small edit: The guard wanting to marry her also seemed kind of cringy- no matter how grimdark and or corrupt this world is.
LMAO the zanarken music in the beginning ad.
I would have left the campaign right there in the wizards tower. Itd make most sense for the character to go back home and I try to adhere to what my character would likely do. The DM set up a scenario for you to leave, so leave.
Might just be my new second favorite after Astoshan
0:23 I pulled out my headphone cord to untwist it and was like wait what...?
Sarcasm: Way to welcome the new player, DM.
Bloody wow, start of campain and the dm is already handing out curses - no less death/retirement inducing ones at that. Also, slavery in dnd is touchy because it can really take away from the players having freewill at all if done badly. The dm might as well as told them to make emothionless killing machines that can problem solve, and have one track minds like an AI just focusing on completing a quest to the bitter end.
Is that you, Saitama? lol
Just punch the armor off
That into has the chipiest shoulder chip that I have ever witnessed.
If the guards had that little time for people doing death curses they should have just made it a death penalty on the spot.
Party last minute bailing... damn I felt that
bro that intro hit me in the feels lol. session got canceled tn cause too many people backed out :'[
If a DM ever tried to pull this kind of crap with me I would simply, get up and walk away, not saying a word, since if the DM is going to go out of their way to waste everyone's time by making one person's "spotlight" moment pointless, and in general just do things to purposely hinder the players when there shouldn't be anything hindering them, well sorry not sorry they are a horrible DM.
Just DMs like the one in the story really get on my nerves, since I know there have probably been people who were driven away from the hobby because they had a terrible DM, like I'm not saying a new DM has to be the next Matt Mercer or anything like that, but don't go out of your way to essentially antagonize your players, and pull crap on them just because "your the DM" (or any other sort of reason like that), since at the end of the day,
there is nothing stopping your players from just getting up and walking away D&D is (most of the time) a cooperative game, since just because your controlling the BBEG, etc. doesn't mean your not allowed to work with them, give them subtle hints or help them, since your the (main) story teller not the villain the heroes have to beat.
Nights of pen and paper 2 WAS fun. They changed it slow it waaaaaaaaaaaaaay the heck down and grindy. Now, you can pay to make it less grindy and win easier.
This just hurt my head. I've both played and ran a game, and a good game will cater to all of the players...not just one and while yeah I don't have a problem with a character getting cursed...but if it happens that much as the guards say then logically they would have ways of dealing with it. Or at the least slowing it down until they can handle it...or better yet tell the character of an item they need from a dungeon on the island. Now not only do they have a goal to obtain to continue staying with the group, but it also gives a small sense of urgency since the island won't be there forever. While it sucks, it adds a goal. Just a bad dm was having too much fun at his players expense.
DM railroading is so annoying. First session, some dmpc comes and pretty much forces us to assemble as a party. We then go on a hunt for a cultist. We find a tavern, interrogate a few of the customers, pass some checks, eventually we find the guy, he tries to flee, we corner him into a barricaded room. We eventually manage to break into and I grapple him. Thus starts the amazing interrogation. The guy kills himself by thrusting himself into my sword (which was sheathed). Whatever, I ressurect him, and tie him "better" this time. We can't get any info out of him at all, so we decide to arrest him and give him to the local lord, along with any evidence he had on him (which was pretty damning). Once we get out of the house, combat starts without initiative, he catches an arrow, I heal him again. He survives this one as well. Eventually we give him to the lord, and he kills him. DM's excuse was that we should have got the hint from the start... Eventually as the plot unravels (we take no part on it, the lord's spy does all the work while we sit through a hearing doing nothing at all), we march as part of an army and we take part in 15 v 5 fights where we hardly get a turn at all, instead watching the soldiers and a dmpc do all the fighting. Next session we have to activate some crystals, and to do so we have to steal an item from a cultist. We find the cultist, kill him (I didn't even bother to keep him alive, I knew what would happen), and we wanted to flee before his buddies understood what was happening. DM would have none of this, he told us that we have to perform a ritual on the spot so we let the druid to cast the ritual, doing literally nothing all fight long, and I decided to set a trap and light the whole tavern on fire when the bad guys entered. Long story short, the baddies literally sidestepped the fire, no penalties from smoke while I was holding a choke point near a window, the sorcerer died from a crit, and eventually we won cause I had stupid amounts of AC, spamming dodge on every round and the warlock was spamming eldritch blast, while the enemies were a horde of goons and low level clerics (5e). Super fun. Next session I left the group during an argument about combat rules which the DM changed whenever he felt like.
Imagine if the dm punishes you when the lord kills the cultist tho
"People around here lay curses like this on each other all the time"
Then why aren't you correctly punishing the man who basically just admitted to murdering a man by way of death curse? and how the hell would he be able to integrate a curse in 30 minutes?!!? He's just some po-dunk homeless man!!!
Also, Why the hell is the curse so dang strong?!!? I mean if it were a Lich placing the curse on the armor, I'd completely understand the need for gold dragon blood to be needed to lift the curse. but it was JUST A FREEKING RANDO ON THE F-ING STREET!!!! AN OLD, FRAIL RANDO BUM ON THE STREET!!!!! AND HE ONLY GOT COMMUNITY SERVICE!!!
I'd have said: I demand for him to be better punished! he has just admitted to murdering me, and so far, you've given him a slap on the rist. screw you guys, I'm going home and telling dad to never do trade with any of you.
We all know there was nothing on the DM's notes past:
Lethally curse one of the players....
????
Profit!
Wow. I am usually on the GMs side because Gming is a hard & sometimes thankless job & we all make mistakes. But this was bad. Hopefully the GM learns from this mistake & grows from it. S@#t happens when you party naked. Remember that.
That introduction/ promo spot is a Fucking Mood
>See Pepe
GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE, YOU'VE SUMMONED THE HORDE.
I can't fathom how the DM didn't realize that things were going wrong at the part where OP's character had to soil himself in the river.
You can be dense enough to miss the previous signs, but when a player narrates something so gross to make a point, that's something else.
11:18 the precise instant where I would have look the DM in the eyes and said "F*ck you, I'm going home." both in and out of character. There is no way in hell that the character would have wasted any seconds following an uncertain trail of potential wizard where he could have simply, like he said, gone home and removed the curse as every major Noble house has court Magician with enough talent to do so. And If the DM start by cursing my character and denying his authority over mere guard as my character is a Noble, then it means the DM didn't want me to play that specific type of character, so why even bother to play said character as I'll probably get more than this curse and probably way worse.
No DnD > Bad DnD
When the feels start before the story
I love that To Zanarkand has become a meme
The way his tone changed between the sponsorship and the story scared me.
As a DM who's grouped has just bailed on him. That sponsorship got me.
The guard's reactions to the curse alone should have been enough reason to bail... It's either proof the DM hates you or proof the DM is not only railroading, but is BAD at it.
I actually have knights of pen and paper! Awesome game. I learned how to power level my characters and man it's a hell of a game!
Video: interesting story. Me: vibing with astoshan narrator
As a dm of cos even I find that to be uncalled for. As a player I'd be frustrated
what song was played at 0:28?
That beginning lol
If this apparently "happens all the time" you'd think they'd have some powerful spellcaster on the guard force who could break such curses... >.>;
Can think of half a dozen ways to keep the party on the island, assuming that's what the DM wants. This campaign has more BS than the player's cursed armor when he went into the river.
Ah that Zanarkand theme while trying to convey sadness during the sponsored time. I see you are a man of culture as well 😌.
I wish I had some D&D people that played this. I write one takes for my friends. The basic story line while they have to do the rest
That sounded mind numbing.
In my opinion, any character controlled by a DM that enters the party without specific reason to be overpowered (op DNPCs should only be around for one sidequest and then only as a hireling or NPC friend that helps out if DM deems necessary) should be one level lower than the party, or if they will stick around make them the same level but no share of xp until the party all have leveled up. I have a cleric I created to babysit my players as well as having a sidequest of her own to tue into the next big arc of the campaign start at level 2 but only got xp after the party all were level 3, she ended up bonding the most with the paladin (because he likes to have 1 on 1 session between regular sessions so that he can rp more as there is expressly no fighting or checks in 1 on 1s as a general rule in my group, it's more of a way for him to wander off and gain information on NPCs and rooms of a dungeon without endangering him or anyone else, which I also use to drop clues about his father's disappearance, who in reality had been killed along with his platoon of men and raised by a necromancer in order to fuel her evil plans and insatiable libido for undead men and he will later in the campaign have to come to terms with killing dear old daddy with the family heirloom sword that houses part of an evil spirit) I got off track. But basically I made a heal bot and untalkative NPC that travels with the party at the behest of her old friend and their employer. As well as the Wizard adopting a random goblin he thought was cute into the party who I started at level 1 and still kept 1 level behind so as not to overshadow them. They once rescued a higher level paladin from some goblins and he only traveled with them as far as town and they got a sidequest from him about trying to find his friend who went missing but is secretly evil and trying to take over the town, so I made sure he stayed out of the way until his reason for being op came up (there's a dragon I know they'd need help with). But yeah...that was a bad DM and I'm an overprepared DM.
I know that feeling of your party missing
I'm... not sure I can listen to MORE of this story... It just sounds incredibly painful to play!
All I can say is the dm is being pretty cruel like christ man he seriously should have seen this coming
Believe it or not, it gets worse. Just wait for part 2.
Dave Littler ohh god why
Annoying DM
What a weird and boring game
lmao raking leaves
I would have just left the campaign in the players shoes
Best intro xD
"But you won't cancel on me!"
*Yandere war flashbacks*
Hey, does anyone know what song is playing in the background for 0:27 - 0:31?
“To Zanarkand” from Final Fantasy X
I’m writing notes on what NOT to do as a DM. A curse that takes half an hour to apply for the guy who did it is just there? That DM clearly forgot that the players need to have fun while playing and no one like a jerk DM.
10:38 Is this supposed to be a Kefka-equs setting?
What's a Kefka-Epus setting?
@@echo_ironside8006 Read Kefka, a Russian author who writes about a clinically insane bureaucratic society.
Nice hit of the FFX theme in the ad
Locate object spell to find the armor and the thief in one go
My character was a fairly low-level fighter and I didn't feel that I could justify him having the knowledge of that spell on-hand. He responded with the knowledge he would logically have. If Ray's character, the sorceress, had been with him during this scene she might have suggested it, but I'm not convinced she had that spell.
The setting sounds cool though
I am about to run my first DM story and even I though what that guy was doing was pointless there are better and quicker ways to roleplay something like that
So an old man who's a nobody gets community service for putting a deadly curse on a noble, but another noble like character has to pull strings not to get murder investigations on him for 10 obvious murders... Yeah, cause screw consistensy. That DM sounds like they're just in it for themselves and to kill the players' fun.
0:10 the normal version is trash, buy the +1 edition. It's worth it
I actually like knights of pen and paper 2 and it’s pretty fun but a bit grindy
Yeah....No.... RPG's are supposed to be fun, collaborative storytelling sessions... DM would have had one less player (at least) before the session was over....
Just wait for part 2 and you'll see that you're half right about that.
This DM is horrible
The forceing a marrage
The curse on the lawful nutral player....
I know this type of DM, where the players must fallow the DM storyline
Insted of the storyline fallowing the action of the player and only the favorite players can have fun
Can't believe such an old game would sponsor anything
There truly are some interesting curses and a couple involve rapid aging. My problem is the math involved. If this is a curse, then we must assume the old man used Bestow Curse. It is a touch spell, uses verbal and somatic components, and only takes one action to cast. All of those fall well within the parameters of the rules. Here's the rub! Bestow Curse is a concentration spell, which only last up to 1 minute. There is no way, throughout the chase and red tape it took to finally retrieve the armor, that his curse would still work. Bestowing a permanent curse would require much more time invested. I just don't think that DM much cared for a plot thread that he didn't start.
I thought he did start it?
@@echo_ironside8006 - The OP said that he had started in session 2. He was retconned into adventure on an island, where he met the rest of the characters. The red orcs were going to take them all as slaves, but OP used his backstory and charisma checks get them to release the party to him. OP's character's father want the ultimate weapon, who was the warforged character. That kind of roleplay deserves to be rewarded, not punished. Wouldn't you agree?
@@FordPrefict42 apologies. I thought we were talking about the cursed armour?
@@echo_ironside8006 - I will apologize right back. My initial comment was about the cursed armor. In a fair and balanced game, there is no way to permanently curse an object while being chased through a city. Contingency spells only effect the caster and take a long time to cast. Lastly, as stated before, Bestow Curse only lasts a minute. If the old man was locked up, the armor was locked in the evidence room, and OP was being stonewalled into waiting, there is simply too much time that has passed for the curse to work. Mind you, that is also simply my opinion on the subject, using what I know about D&D.
@@FordPrefict42 I agree. That is one of the many problems with this dms' actions