Hi There, Thanks again for making this video for our use. It provokes different streams of thoughts really. Tomorrow, the church remembers Mattias, one of the disciples who joined the twelve just a bit before the Pentecost. What I like about that story in juxtaposition to the out pouring of the Spirit, is that the apostles use casting a lot when they make the decision about who should join them before the Spirit, but once the Spirit dwells in them the rest of the book is a different story, as some theologians say it is the acts of the Spirit rather than Acts of the Apostles. I love that picture, which reminds us that we are to put God the Holy Spirit at the driver seat and humble ourselves to discern his guidance. Bless you guys.
Watching this in 2023, so not sure if anone will see these comments! 1) Numerology I had to check about this - presumably Gedi=17 and Eglaim=153 comes from the Hebrew letters/values whereas Jesus/Iesous=888 comes from the Greek?: - I = 10 (iota) e = 8 (eta) s = 200 (sigma) o = 70 (omicron) u = 400 (upsilon) s = 200 (sigma) ____ 888 Does that change anything? 2) Where you reference the ancient hymns to the Spirit, I think you may have conflated Bianco da Siena's hymn "Come down O love divine" (trans. Littledale, sung to Vaughan Williams' Down Ampney') and the really ancient hymn "Veni Creator Spiritus/Come Holy Ghost our souls inspire" which is Cosin's translation of an ancient Latin hymn and is part of the BCP Ordinal. The former has the lines "kindle it [sc. 'my heart'], Thy holy flame bestowing...O let it freely burn, til earthly passions turn to dust and ashes in its heat consuming". The latter has 'Come, Holy Ghost, our souls inspire,/ And lighten with celestial fire./ Thou the anointing Spirit art,/ Who dost thy sevenfold gifts impart'. (Interestingly this is also sung at coronations during the anointing with oil, and this year it was the hymn that was sung in the 4 languages of the UK). Both of course - espcially da Siena's hymn - allude to the fire of the Spirit as cleansing/ consuming which was the point you were making! 3) I'm always helped by the reminder that 'be filled/ plērousthe' in Eph 5:18 is not only present imperative, it is also continuous, passive and plural! - i.e. "[All of you must go on letting yourselves] be filled with the Spirit!'. Happy Pentecost! (or as my Hebrew classmates said on Tuesday, 'Chag Sameach Shavuot!')
I wonder why you dont read longer passages. I know we are bound by time, but so much is lost. I particularly find helpful the last bit (v40) where peter continues to "with many other words he pleaded with them "save yourselves from this corrupt generation". A much needed message. It also points out that even having witnessed pentecost, there were both thkse who mocked, but also thkse who refused to be persuaded, as only those who accepted his message were baltised. I started a study on romans last week and chapters 1-3 were read aloud. This followed by at least 10 minutes kf quiet to ponder and write dkwn questions. Then followed a 2 hour doscussion and bible study on what came up. Extremely profitable for the bunch of new christains at the group. We had planned an hour, but people wanted to keep digging in. So much more helpful to give a briader brush stroke than picking into the ibvious issues. I wonder if the assumption that people will be reading around is less than evident.
Thank you. An interesting thought that the Spirit is given to 120 and then beyond - what might this look like if we asked God to pour out His Spirit again (Eph 5) on us as a congregation rather than each one of us as individuals... 😮
Interesting comment on the holy spirit sent from Jesus at the right hand of the father. I had a somewhat arduous discussion with my son over the Nicene creed one about if the spirit preceding from the father or from the father and the son, and the son preceding from the father (but either from the father and the spirit)... But not that the spirit preceded from the son... Don't get me wrong, I'm not that tied up and bothered by it, but interesting none the less.
An interesting comment on men and women. I note that peter addressed his sermon to men of Israel. Of course this does not exclude the women from the masseage, but one wonders if you are leaning rather heavily on "bothers" including the additional "and sisters" (added into the text far more recently), and used for a re rendering of passages such as "if a man's gift is teasching let him teach" into a different reading. We must be aware kf our cultural biases.
Your joy is so evident in the video. A pleasure to share in it with you!
Hi There,
Thanks again for making this video for our use. It provokes different streams of thoughts really. Tomorrow, the church remembers Mattias, one of the disciples who joined the twelve just a bit before the Pentecost. What I like about that story in juxtaposition to the out pouring of the Spirit, is that the apostles use casting a lot when they make the decision about who should join them before the Spirit, but once the Spirit dwells in them the rest of the book is a different story, as some theologians say it is the acts of the Spirit rather than Acts of the Apostles. I love that picture, which reminds us that we are to put God the Holy Spirit at the driver seat and humble ourselves to discern his guidance. Bless you guys.
Lord! Pour out your spirit!
Amen!
Watching this in 2023, so not sure if anone will see these comments!
1) Numerology
I had to check about this - presumably Gedi=17 and Eglaim=153 comes from the Hebrew letters/values whereas Jesus/Iesous=888 comes from the Greek?: -
I = 10 (iota)
e = 8 (eta)
s = 200 (sigma)
o = 70 (omicron)
u = 400 (upsilon)
s = 200 (sigma)
____
888
Does that change anything?
2) Where you reference the ancient hymns to the Spirit, I think you may have conflated Bianco da Siena's hymn "Come down O love divine" (trans. Littledale, sung to Vaughan Williams' Down Ampney') and the really ancient hymn "Veni Creator Spiritus/Come Holy Ghost our souls inspire" which is Cosin's translation of an ancient Latin hymn and is part of the BCP Ordinal.
The former has the lines "kindle it [sc. 'my heart'], Thy holy flame bestowing...O let it freely burn, til earthly passions turn to dust and ashes in its heat consuming".
The latter has 'Come, Holy Ghost, our souls inspire,/ And lighten with celestial fire./ Thou the anointing Spirit art,/ Who dost thy sevenfold gifts impart'. (Interestingly this is also sung at coronations during the anointing with oil, and this year it was the hymn that was sung in the 4 languages of the UK).
Both of course - espcially da Siena's hymn - allude to the fire of the Spirit as cleansing/ consuming which was the point you were making!
3) I'm always helped by the reminder that 'be filled/ plērousthe' in Eph 5:18 is not only present imperative, it is also continuous, passive and plural! - i.e. "[All of you must go on letting yourselves] be filled with the Spirit!'.
Happy Pentecost! (or as my Hebrew classmates said on Tuesday, 'Chag Sameach Shavuot!')
I wonder why you dont read longer passages. I know we are bound by time, but so much is lost.
I particularly find helpful the last bit (v40) where peter continues to "with many other words he pleaded with them "save yourselves from this corrupt generation". A much needed message. It also points out that even having witnessed pentecost, there were both thkse who mocked, but also thkse who refused to be persuaded, as only those who accepted his message were baltised.
I started a study on romans last week and chapters 1-3 were read aloud. This followed by at least 10 minutes kf quiet to ponder and write dkwn questions. Then followed a 2 hour doscussion and bible study on what came up. Extremely profitable for the bunch of new christains at the group. We had planned an hour, but people wanted to keep digging in. So much more helpful to give a briader brush stroke than picking into the ibvious issues.
I wonder if the assumption that people will be reading around is less than evident.
Thank you. An interesting thought that the Spirit is given to 120 and then beyond - what might this look like if we asked God to pour out His Spirit again (Eph 5) on us as a congregation rather than each one of us as individuals... 😮
An excellent question and one I warm to asking! Not sure what the answer is…
Interesting comment on the holy spirit sent from Jesus at the right hand of the father. I had a somewhat arduous discussion with my son over the Nicene creed one about if the spirit preceding from the father or from the father and the son, and the son preceding from the father (but either from the father and the spirit)... But not that the spirit preceded from the son... Don't get me wrong, I'm not that tied up and bothered by it, but interesting none the less.
An interesting comment on men and women. I note that peter addressed his sermon to men of Israel. Of course this does not exclude the women from the masseage, but one wonders if you are leaning rather heavily on "bothers" including the additional "and sisters" (added into the text far more recently), and used for a re rendering of passages such as "if a man's gift is teasching let him teach" into a different reading. We must be aware kf our cultural biases.