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Abadon is Putin , and the Black Legion is Russia
And the Plot Armor is China
I would absolutely love to hear you review the Omnibus in full.
The guy with the swastika symbol on his head is actually a buddist and it's a manji symbol ;-p
It would be interesting if the Chaos Gods became dissatisfied with Abbadon and had all these other war-masters gunning for him in a competition to take his place as the head of the legions while also trying take each other out, it would be a fun saga that could even give Abbadon some decent character development as well.
I'm sure we're rather surprised they HADN'T done it already after his thirteenth, it's like, you've already had more than enough chances you are nothing more than worthless
It’d probably end with him killing / subjugating them all in stupidly easy ways.
Your just talking about what chaos already does lol
This has happened many many times. The Gods would prefer a champion dedicated solely to themselves as Warmaster, but non have ever had the strength, skill, numbers or ability to beat Abaddon. This is canon lore.
It most likely give more development to the other contenders
Abbadon is war master for one reason and one reason alone
If chaos had someone competent in charge they might actually stand a chance of winning
Especially Huron
That's just shifty writing then and not grim dark as so many fake 40k fans say
Well the chaos gods never actually want to “win” because that would end the game and by extension them so if you look at it from the perspective Abby is a great Warmaster
Its not just that (though I do agree lol), its also that he's the only one still alive I believe from the Sons of Horus that could lead that Legion, pretty sure the rest of the Mournival died
Hahahahaha TRUTH
Abaddon died the first time, he was replaced by an Alpha Legion marine (they are a bit taller), this is why he has infinite lives. They also have him make poor strategic decisions whenever chaos becomes too powerful. Destroying the Blackstone fortress was intentional, completely destroying Cadia was not. This is why Omegon was killed, but it wasn't him anyway. Alpha Legion has also infiltrated GW's codex release cycle, ensuring that chaos never becomes too powerful on the tabletop. Furthermore, Belisarius Cawl didn't make the new Primaris tech out of nowhere. Omegon brought it from outside the Imperium. Cawl's ego just can't resist the opportunity to have "invented" it. The Primaris guys are a little taller, so we know where the geneseed is coming from, Alpha Legion. They can't be corrupted by chaos because whenever an individual falls to chaos, they just get transferred to the chaos side of Alpha Legion operations.
Speculation much - but fun to read about I guess.
Lol
this is a lie - apharius
This is canon now
Headcanon
Abaddon is the Warmaster because Tzeentch wants to play on hard mode.
Just as planned!
That is my head cannon now thanks lol
This video just proves that a lot more stuff could be done with the nightlords
they're a perfect fit for chaos. they're just straight up evil for the sake of evil
Big night lord fan just need a bit better primarch
I support the Nightlords!
We have came for you.
Night Lords are crap. I mean, their biggest trick is scare tactics. Heh ?
In fact, every Space Marine is scary.
And they are not going to intimidate another SM.
@@ducedevlstear2471 It's more that they are actual characters and not big walking stereotypes like the other Chaos Marines. They are vile, but you can relate to them, because they are still more or less human. Concerning your second point, they use fear a lot but are also very good at guerilla warfare in general. Niche maybe, crap no.
They also do not always fight others SM and even then; if not outright scaring them, they can still unnerve them (trigger them if you will).
Isn't chaos even supposed to have constant backstabbing action and changes in management? GW should embrace this.
Civil war and then huron will reunite them
That’s great lore-wise, but imagine if your big center-piece chaos pseudo-primarch model was killed in the lore a year after he was released.
I agree that they should implement different factions taking control but we have to be careful because if anybody gets killed then everyone who plays that faction will get salty. GW is in a constant state of keeping everything the same so that they can sell all the models and have it make sense lore wise
Yeah... The constant civil war of the chaos against chaos
@@sarzootashoota351 I think a way to handle it is having various chaos factions working together but each one falls and rises in power as their plans succeed or fail.
That way, you can have different chaos forces having their day while not being killed of.
Abaddon fanboys: *screeching noises*
Majorkill: "I think we provoked the locals."
Good, let them cry
Do Abaddon stans even exist? I play chaos (specifically Khorne aligned) and I would rather have literally any random terminator to be warmaster.
wait failaddon have fans?
Im afraid there are. Theres one called kristian kristianson a few comments above.
I respect the guy though cuz he actually has legit reasons he thinks that way and thats fair enough from me even if hes ultimately wrong. Its all subjective interpretation anyway.
Objectively abby is not a great warmaster but hes ok. I dont like him cuz hes boring. Hes just not a interesting character. Too much generic moustache twirky bad guy vibes from him.
@@xshadowx32hd66 Dembski-Bowden worships Abaddon and thinks everyone else is dumb for not seeing how "cool" he is
Abaddon is like a pay to win charcater played by an incompent guy.
"Oh no I m losing to marneus calgar" : Pays for the biggus dickus sword + 500 strengh
"Oh no Siggismund impaled me" : Pays for a quick revive
"Oh now I finally have my batle against Guilliman" Pays for...... credit card decline, dead, gg
That's pretty much how I see it
What about when he fought Perfect Clone Horus? What did he buy there?
@@quillion0877 it wasn’t a perfect clone since it didn’t have Horus’s soul and that’s the most important part
@@alexanderjohnson6178 Yeah I know, just wondering if the OP would have Abaddon to pay for an advantage over it (basically showing how noob Abaddon is XD)
@@quillion0877 probably a pretty penny lol
This
Abbadon was rather unlikable before the Heresy began. He's a very one dimensional character. More like an attack dog than a great leader. The perfect right hand for someone like Horus but rather not suited to be the big man himself.
Have you read ADB’s Black Legion books?
At least Abaddon destroyed the clone of Horus and not keep his Primarch dead.
@@bobross7005 Havent gotten to it yet.
@@bobross7005 Yes, Khayon comes across very well, but Abaddon, I'm not so sure.
So... would Kharn roast him worse than the Space Wolves if he went all philosophical? xD
idea: how various space marine chapters/individual space marines, or even how other factions respond to some of the more cruel 'tortures' that the Imperium of Man inflicts on people , such as Penitent Engines.
Ranges from total agreement to absolute disgust.
@@robertnelson9599 Salamanders probably the second one
I just finished Devastation of Baal, I like how Guy Haley is writing Guilliman, “Why wouldn’t someone who lives on a shithole Imperial world give themselves to Chaos, if the offer comes?”
*CHAOS GODS:* We trained him wrong, as a joke
this is my headcanon now also nice reference
Tzeentch is just laughing in the corner
Abaddon: The imperium will be unable to withstand my “Ram my head against Cadia again and again” strategy!
Yeah I could see that
I haven't heard the name Galbatorix in over a decade. Threw me down memory lane.
Was a good stroll though
Took me a sec for it to register, mostly because I wasnt expecting the reference.
God I feel like a nerd.
Was he the Evil bastard from Eragon?
@@Predator19344556 Yes absolutely.
Glad too see some love for the series here
I wish we got to see Alfabusa's TTS take on Abaddon.
We got a small taste. He just screams *"FUCK YOU"* at everything
Since he was supposed to be voiced by Takahata aka TFS Alucard, Abaddon would be scary and hilarious
@@rexlumontad5644 So I am guess he would be written as an ill tempered violent manchild who people mock behind his back, but obviously don't say anything to his face. Fans like to mock that it would be easy to overthrow Abaddon, except if it could be done so easily then we would have seen someone actually do it. Therefor his underlings would probably talk about it like it's easy, while not being brave enough to actually do it.
@@dragonstormx That could be the case of "Take That!" on the fans' mockery at Abaddon and belief that he can be easily taken down, while TTS would give his character justice as why Abaddon has been on the Black Legion business for so long and maintained it.
TTS Ahriman seemed interested on whatever Abaddon's planning instead of derisively mocking him after being summoned to go and meet him post-Cegorach kicking him out of the Black Library.
Sadly this won't happen fuck GW
"You don't hear people hating on Sauron or Galbatorix."
Huh been awhile since I heard anyone reference the Inheritance series.
Masterfully done.
Surprised me too
The name drop!
I see that the Nightlords omnibus left quite the impression on you. Who can blame you, they are quite cool. I agree on Decimus but Honsou? Dunno man. A Huron novel is coming up, I hope its good. Also I want them to use Jago Sevetar more, his journey is not over. We need more fluff for the Thramas Crusade.
I thought sevatar died on terra though?
@@matabishippuden6965 I dont think we ever actually saw him die. He was captured by the Imperium, and the Nightlords all think he's dead; which is fairly legit for them think. But 40k theories did something about him a while back; he started communcating with some Astropath, and when her boss found out she was horribly beaten, Sevitar got out, had the chance to escape, but decided that this mother fucker had to pay instead... because Justice?!?!?!?! And I may be remembering wrong, but I think it was the Dark Angels who had him. And they have those time lock vaults. Its possible he's alive.
@@matabishippuden6965 nothing was confirmed but it’s believed he died but at least give us a book where he dies in glory
@@matabishippuden6965 I checked the wiki because I never read or listened to his demise. There is no book about it, maybe he dies in the upcoming "Siege of Terra" novels. So there is hope to meet this character again.
@@matabishippuden6965 IIRC Sevatar was taken hostage by the Dark Angels at the same time they captured Curze and was imprisoned in their fortress The Rock. Whilst Curze made it off The Rock (I don't recall how) Sevatar remained imprisoned. He made a brief prison break where he kills an astropath on the Rock to protect a young girl who was beaten and mistreated by the astropath, but is quickly after recaptured, I think the story is the 'Prince of Crows'. From there his fate is uncertain... some fan theories pose he was one of the founders of the Grey Knights, but the most accepted theory is that he was tortured to death on The Rock at an indeterminate time.
I’d say the only downside to Huron being a leader of all the Chaos marine forces is that he isn’t from the original legions. Which doesn’t seem like a big issue, but CSM are a bit of a prideful bunch.
If I remember correctly there was even a short story of an Iron Warriors general hearing stories from other CSM war bands to get his favor and a lot of captured gene seed or whatever and he got livid when he learned none of the war band leaders were even from the original legions like he was.
What is the name of the story?
Huron has a good response to that
"Lmao"
@@loganryoung2384 The Master’s Bidding by Mathew Farrer. There is a fan made audio book of it on TH-cam.
@@themajor2190 Chaos Space Marines from the heresy times have a good response to Huron. "Lmao".
@@jo_ken a fan made audio of it? May I ask for the source of it please. I’m very curious.
I loved reading about Argel Tal. Most readers would probably agree that he's the most badass WB in the lore. But... Warmaster? He didn't like the truth of Chaos. He hated what the traitors had become, almost as much as he hated the Imperium. I don't think he would've cared for uniting and leading all of the traitor legions. To lead thousands of aggressive, evil marines you need some fire in you. Despite the demon in him, some followers would've despised him as not being devoted enough. And when evil marines despise each other, killing will come naturally. When killing starts, sides are chosen and unity breaks.
Edit: And Argel's destined death wasn't at the hands of Sanguinius on Terra. He thought it was, because he was destined to die, 'under great wings of the Imperium' [para], which he did. Read his death scene again. What's one of the last things he sees?
I think it's no stretch to say reading Erebus get utterly rekt by Kharn after the sissy-backstab was juicy.
@@Spirultima Oh that was beautiful, I was fucking raging after reading that part in Betrayer where Erebus backstabs Argel, which yes to be fair, makes Erebus a very well written villain cause you want the fans to fucking hate your villain and want him dead and that's where the fanbase is at with him, hate the character, love the writers
@@thatlonewolfguy2878 Yeah, he's given respect in his competence throughout, adequate motivation and the correct amount of respect from the character themselves. Makes for a great villain, and the satisfying "comeuppance" he got.
I think I disagree with this. Yes, Argel Tal disliked the truth of Chaos, but that could be said about the Night Lords characters listed as well. The difference is that Argel believed it to be necessary and embraced that need. He was also the only one of the WB who still followed Lorgar's vision for humanity. And like the Night Lord characters, has a very deep hatred of the Imperium. All that being said, I've always wondered by Chaos never embraced and followed Lorgar. Since, you know, he is literally the chosen and prophet of all 4 of the Chaos gods, the most charismatic of all the Primarchs (Horus was the better politician), and is a Primarch. Never understood why the Primarchs tolerate taking orders from a legionnaire.
He would become Warmaster if Lorgar ordered him to do so.
Hey Majorkill! A Border Prince recently released a reading of "Excecution Hour" which is a pretty good story. I think the blackstone pillars are mentioned. Or maybe that's the doom of Mymera?
A boarder prince is the king
Whoa, TWO Night Lords characters. I see that the Trilogy definitely made an impact on your views on the 8th Legion. Personally, I'd rather see Decimus and/or Sevatar unite the Night Lords, but my vote for overall Warmaster goes to Huron. Sure, he isn't an original Veteran of the Long War, but he has the tactical chops to really get things done. And Night Lords don't really "play well with others".
Ave Dominus Nox
Only problem is sevatar is now a grey Knights and memory wiped and re named
@@dollface2907 is he really or did he become the founder of Space Sharks or just somewhere in the void?
@@Matt-md5yt as I recall the last heard of him was the end of the heresy where he was in a dark angel prison
Chaos keeps abaddon around just to laugh at him and make fun of him this is my headcanon
Man, I can't even remember the last time I heard someone say the name Galbatorix
A civil war among the Heretic Astartes in the Eye of Terror to overthrow Abbadon and take over his role would be a pretty bad ass campaign.
Gl to any of the marines stupid enough to do that, dude literally killed his own primarch 1v1
@@crushersbutlessedgynow We all know that only happened so that GW could try and recover their reputation, also wasn't the real Horus .
@@Sara3346 1. It was a perfect copy, if not stronger due to him being imbued by chaos during "ressurection" 2. Cope and seeth ig, every achievement in warhammer doesn't matter then if you're just gonna bring it back to "reputation"
@@crushersbutlessedgynow My impression was it lacked horuses psychic presence? But I don't know why I'm bothering to try and reason with you.
@@Sara3346 ah yes, you can't reason with me, even though i brought up a fact and the first thing you do is take it all the way back to gw wanting to boost a characters standing, which is entirely non falsifiable
I'm so glad Major kill is finally giving an iron warrior the credit he deserves
He needs the Fist half to actually win.
3:30 Calgar: "I. CAST. FIST!" *decks Abaddon in the schnoz*
I have a feeling if GW saw this video, instead of maybe thinking of making Abbadon more likable/competent they would just decide to write that all those listed have been killed because…..only Abbadon no one else
it's classic bad guy tactics, all the competent leaders stand behind the idiot so that when thing go wrong someone else catches the flack.
Huron for Warmaster!
Yes
He is from an Ultramarine successor chapter so a certain traitor legion is going to have a fit.
@@Alex-pj8nz If you tell GW he is a blueberry they are gonna make him Warmaster immediately
I'd love to see the transition from abbadon to blackheart
@@misterk9301 wg now we have blueberries for chaos fan :D
Imagine if lorgar and perty returned to the galaxy. I would love to see an almost anti imperium that they would rule
Lorgar too busy shitting his pants because of Corax however
Maybe they could rule a empire of chaos space marine
That depends on if GW can remember they exist for long enough to write a story
@mark thompson well competence for one thing since Perty carried the whole Heresy and is canonically the only reason they got to Terra
I really want Perty back. But not as a demon prince. He should be encased in an amazing demon-forged armour. He built it himself, bound demons within it. It actually shields him from corruption. The chaos gods come to him for boobs. He is not a tool anymore.
0:03 Among the Traitor Marines, Abaddon is as weak as paper mache... Or Raditz!
I don't know what thus Raditz is, but it sounds disappointing
Kharn to the Ultramarines: At least you've proven that your Radditz is still stronger than our Radditz.
He is the Raditz of the Traitor Legions yet gets to pretend to be Frieza. Pathetic.
5:37 didn’t know that Majorkill read the eragon books
Finally! The best possible video. I always enjoy a little bit of Failbadon armbashing
Call him failbadon but last i remembered half of the galaxy has been taken control over by chaos due to his crusade, weird
0:03 he makes Starscream look like a saint
I think that chaos undivided should divide.
I get the rough feeling one of these guys is going to kill and over throw abbadon the disappointment and become the new Warmaster of Chaos in the future.
Abaddon the Despoiled 🤣
I also hate how everyone in the Black Legion books artificially sucks up to Abbadon even before meeting him
Absolutely… especially when in every book before that series he was just a glorified bodyguard with anger management issues.
I mean idk what you expect dude killed his own chapters primarch like who else are they gonna do that too? Cause it definitely ain't horus 😂
Eragon reference hit like a runaway train
Damn straight.
What about Malos Vrykan, from BFGA2?
Yes, I know he isn't canon, but Malos is at least a bit witty and while he is evil for evil's sake he is far more likable than Failbaddon the Armless
Because chaos cant have the good shit so no Vrykan
Chaos Thanos would be too OP
*Choas Thanos
Because Vrykan would make Chaos win and that would destroy the Imperium leading to no more Space Marines for GW to cram down our throats.
@@joseestevezhernandez558 agreed let's hope he doesn't have a power fist
8:26 Decimus possessed the Advanced Observation Haki.
Daddy Argel would probably make tons of people join Chaos, a total bro.
Decimus would be my pick, able to unite his legion, able to see the future and not under the control of a single chaos god.
Sevatar was a badass.
Honsu is an interesting pick, but the fact is that he couldn't even stop his legion's infighting.
I fear the fact the Huron served the corpse emperor only a few centuries ago would probably be a big problem for any of the chaos veterans, it would take some time. He'd have to prove himself, his ability and his dedication to the cause for a long time.
3:00 Abaddon is The Worf Punching Bag of 40k in a nutshell.
This is where MajorKill's youth and inexperience shine through. He made a video on where he gets his info, but if he actually read The Talon of Horus and then Black Legion he'd know that Ab is good enough. It's all a matter of perspective so you should check out Ab's before you judge.
If the great genius, Aaron Dembsky-Bowden, can make the Nightlords cool imagine what he could do with the black legion.....
I've read The Talon of Horus and The Black Legion both, and no Abaddon is not good enough. Those are some of ADB's weakest works imo. Khayon is a Gary Stu made worse by the fact we've never heard of him before then. Secondly, Abaddon is just good at everything because......reasons? And his vision is just not compelling enough for me to buy the fact his is the largest legion. The novels dismiss entirely the idea that Chaos corrupts and these Astartes don't care anymore about brotherhood or honor but their own interests which is either the same as the Great Game, or power in the case of the Night Lords and Iron Warriors. Plus, the series never addresses the fact that in even the earliest Horus Heresy lore, Abaddon was the one to order the retreat from Terra after Horus died. Also, the Sons of Horus were nearly made extinct during the Slave Wars because the traitor legions all blamed the Sons of Horus for their defeat. Why would any of them, even those who did crave brotherhood, follow the First Captain who made them lose the war the first time? Abaddon's rise to power happens because Black Library needed it to happen, not because it actually would in the setting.
@@ashemcclure9848 The series isn't over yet.....
The whole point of those two books was the show how crappy of a starting position Abby had. The end of book 2 shows the first "great crusade" that's just a shattered strike Force that has to rely on raiding. The reason why it's good is because it shows the traitors does having an incredible depth of character that makes them very interesting.
Abby didn't lose the war, the traitor primarks did. As far as ordering the retreat from Earth, at this point in the siege of Terra series think about what traitors are left. Perturabo peaced out, Magnus got banished, Lorgar wasn't allowed to go, kurs didn't show up, fulgrim is off indulging instead of helping, Mirtarion was defeated by Khan, who knows what Alpharius is doing, Angron gets banished by Sanguineous and Horus is dead. Meanwhile, Guliman, the lion and the wolf are on their way. Face it, Abby lost before the retreat was sounded, just like he never had a chance with the first "great crusades".
Secondly, it never said that the sons of Horus were the largest, it said the black legion eventually was.
@@necrospoon That's another issue I take with Abaddon. He blames the traitor Primarchs alone for the failure of the Horus Heresy, which to me comes across as very convenient. So wars are won/lost by generals alone then?
@@ashemcclure9848 they're not just generals, they're demigod fathers. And a timeline that takes millennia this is a coming of age where the chaos legions are either abandoned or abused by their fathers and Abby is offering brotherhood and purpose.
Lorgar would be a pretty cool Warmaster, especially as a foil to Guiliman.
There's Corax though. Lorgar can't show his face anywhere or Corax will f him up
The only traitors capable of being true warmasters at this point are Magnus and Perturabo. Both are inteligent men, who still have some control over themselves. Lorgar is a coward, hiding away from Corax, Angron is the failure he always was and Fulgrim.... Is there too. Alpharius and Omegon are dead....maybe.
@@bloodangel19 you think Tzeentch is gonna let his toy play in other kids sandboxes?
Nuh uh
@@zaczane If it amuses the Indecisive Mollusk, yes.
@@bloodangel19 Perty as warmaster would actually be a good way to give us some actual daemon Perty content
I always thought peturabo returning to become Warmaster could work. I'm not super caught up but last I heard, perty still has a chip on his shoulder from the horus heresy and he has the strategic ability to lead an entire crusade in a way that would be threatening. Plus with the imperium getting a primarch as a leader then it's only fair chaos gets a primarch to do so aswell to tip the scales back into their favor
He would never be satisfied with the performance of most of the chaos forces and leave... like he did once already.
@@MrFallenone Well, maybe without Horus beeing in "charge" the other forces will listen to him for once xD Though it may get difficult for perty to get the support of his brothers
@@MrFallenone I could see him trying to fix the inefficiencies in chaos in an effort to get his revenge and finish the siege of Terra
If Perty was Warmaster, he'd commit Decimatus to like 90% of Chaos Marines.
@@johnlucas2838 if gulliman allowed the imperial cult because he saw the value it brought then it's reasonably that perry wouldn't kill 90% of his marines.
I actually prefer Warmaster to be a guy who has been fighting the war from the day 1 rather than some snarky smirking newblood that havw never seen Emperor or even the primarchs. I would like Forrix to be him, but Abaddon isnt so bad.
Yea like dude literally fought on terra, dudes also killed his own primach, which I don't think literally any of these other people have done
Wait a minute, didn't Forrix die in the Honsou books?
@@SerKawlin yeah. Sadly yes. But he died in like M41.300 or something, so he could be a warmaster for almost 10 000 since ths Heresy and someone else could replace him afterwards.
Imagine if the Chaos Space Marines held a democratic election to see who'd be warmaster.
Metal Gear Revengeance style
Demoncratic Hellection haha
"I love the democracy, I love the Republic. SO RIP AND TEAR!"
@@Ihavethetouch There was one fanfic that have Black Legion under Abaddon (recently formed after the Horus Heresy) being sent to Star Wars universe where they're involved in the Clone Wars.
It wouldn't last a minute, let alone get off the ground in the first place
Abbadon is the Archaon of 40k.
Total War Warhammer 2 Archaon
archaon actually kicked ass though and he won (he also often caused major damage instead of getting stuck on the first fortress in his way)
@@revanruler6404 Until Grimgor Ironhide kicked Archaon in the balls
@@rexlumontad5644 well to be fair grimgor is so badass that even someone like archaon would be humiliated by him
@@revanruler6404 True. Also I look forward for Ghazkull kick Abaddon in the balls too
@@rexlumontad5644 ghazkull would absolutely demolish failbaddon
Hands down the best Manscaped advert ever..... They should get you to do all of them! 😂
What happened to Timmy Majorkill? Is he in your basement and forgot to feed him?
I didn't forget to feed him, I just didn't
I'd really love to see the way that Huron would interact with Guilliman, his presumed gene father
I really want Abaddon to die and have an area of the galaxy or a book called “Abaddon’s Demise” it will be interesting to see like a huge blank area of the 40k map with nothing written but “Abaddon’s Demise”.
In my own lore I replaced Abbodon whith a Demon Prince Almangone. but he wishes to embrace of aspects of chaos; be it khorne's honour, slaansh lust, nurgle's toughness, and (forgotten how to spell) tactical. He has direct contact with the gods. And does what they ask. But he wishes to please them. And that all he wants. Power wise he faces off with Drago (Grey Knights.) And fair well. He has a weapon call the God fury, it got a different thing to present the God. A staff of change god. An axe blade for khorne, scythe blade for nurgle and spears tip for horny god. I making lore for him but this is a bit long
Nearly anything would be better than Abbadon - even your own lore.
Hope you enjoy creating something of your own.
@@__-tp4tm Thanks
Bro you made me search, I knew the name but didn't remember who Galbatorix was. In fact I first thought it has something to do with Asterix and Obelix.
Can't wait for Honshou miniatures.
Abbadon from saturnine is the abandon they needed to keep. He even talks about how people who use the warp are fools.
5:34 wow I didn’t realize Majorkill even knew who Galbatorix is. Eragon is a dope series
I would love to see you take on Fabius Bile aka fabulous bill as after reading his books he would make a very interesting war master imo
I think the best stories that come out of warhammer, is when there’s conflict not between good and bad, but between chaos forces, specifically when the chaos guys and gals realise that maybe they aren’t happy with their new lords, or the chaos gods aren’t happy with their servants. To me that’s the most interesting and thought-provoking stuff, where there’s a dash of morally grey (for warhammer that is) thrown in. That’s why Vlad from warhammer fantasy is so cool, because he wants an undead empire which isn’t so great, but he also whips some chaos butt and seems to sort of respect a lot of things like the empire’s elector counts. That stuff is so much cooler than all bad vs all good teams and I feel like warhammer had so much potential for that middle ground.
Let's be real. The list could easily be a top 10
*100
Why Perturabo isn’t warmaster ?
Because gw don’t want chaos to win :)
The last reference I was expecting was Galbatorix. Its nice to know there are still fans of the Inheritance Cycle.
The guy who merged with a demon honestly seems like the most amazing pick, or at the very least should've ended up leading a rival chaos sub-faction. Humanity becoming capable of legitimate symbiosis with if not outright controlling demons rather than being their puppets and playthings sounds like an unironically cool thing to try and achieve, and he could've led a faction where members actively do this and so are low on numbers due to most failing but make up for it with the sheer quality of their fighting ability, maybe complete with them actually wanting to spread this high risk high reward way of doing things because they believe that the losses would actually be worthwhile for what the survivors would be capable of.
The fact that you mentioned Galbatorix from the Eragon books made me moan a bit
I feel nostalgic of Eragorn novels
Ok I have so many things to say about this, i'm not an abbadon fan but some things actually need to be put into context here:
-Abaddon survived Sigismund's sword barely but space marines have been known to sometimes survive much worst, like Huron Blackheart. The Black sword is a pretty great weapon but you still need to get a good shot in, which sigismund almost did.
-Abaddon could actually take down guilliman because of the nature of Drach'nyen, It's a demon created to essentially kill emperors and kings, it gets exponentially stronger when doing that as seen in "master of Mankind" when the demon alone almost killed the emperor of mankind giving him a grievous wound (that i believe did not heal). This sword is the concept of humanity defeating itself, THE slayer of kings. Guilliman is the regent, the hope of the imperium and has the authority of the emperor (while also being the leader/emperor of ultramar) I think he qualifies enough as a target for Drach'nyen, esentially he would destroy guilliman worst than mortarion did.
It took 10k years to crack a way into the imperium because preparation is actually needed in between and the vagueries of the warp, its known that time flows differently in the warp, but it also flows differently for every *individual*. One CSM would say we've only been in the warp for 10 years, another say 100 years, another might think it was an eternity, for the imperium it was 10k years but to Abbadon it might have been like going in and out of the warp constantly.
Abbadon wanted talos because he was a seer of greater power than anything he had, but ultimately it was not his idea, it was Reuven that nightlord sorcerer, abbadon just went along with it, and it's not like the bullet was lethal or anything, it was just used to get him in contact with Avatars of the Gods.
Argel tal would not fit the warmaster roll because he's just too loyal to Lorgar also being half demon would alienate him in the eyes of every CSM that actually looks down on demons, such as the night lords and iron warriors, actually after seeing him transform for the first time, the prince of crows spat on the ground and never talked to him again.
Abbadon had to climb the ladder of leadership TWICE, one to become first captain of the luna wolves, which couldn't have been easy considering how good that legion was but that proved he had what it took, then he had to do it again in the warp where he had to fight constantly, arduously to take territory, keep it and protect his allies from his enemies sometime that was very taxing to do in the warp as at that moment he didn't have any manufactorums under his name yet.
Amongst the candidates Huron and Sevatar are probably the greatest picks, ill edge it towards Sevatar because he's from the first legions and that gets you more respect amongst the older chaos space marines. He has drive, he's witty, intelligent and quite the fighter with his precog abilities.
instead of astartes how about any greater demons of tzeentch as warmaster
What about Fabius Bile and Ahriman? If their plans ever went somewhere they would become fearsome.
As far as i know Fabius has ZERO interest in leading wars, he has his own goals and interests and also i dont think he cares much for chaos either
And Ahriman is obsessed with trying to break into the Black Library
@@rexlumontad5644 obsessed with not obsessed of
@@Saintphoenix86 Yeah and that he got thrown out by Cegorach for not having a library card
@@rexlumontad5644 I corrected your English i honestly don't care about what story you are trying to convey
i hope we eventually find out about what happened to sevitar. i dont expect him to be alive but it would be cool to know what happened to him. thinking of other characters we didnt hear anything more from, there was the last lunar wolf found in stasis on a ship who was shocked by the fate of his legion, the beacon man from the imperium nihulus the alpha legion stole, theres also that test subject discovered in an abandoned mechanicus facility who killed everyone and ran away on a ship and lastly what happened to the twin of alpharius? there are alot of plot threads they could continue.
5:36 Did my man just mention Galbatorix? Oh Emperor, I love the inheritance cycle
I fucking love Sev. He needs more lore
That bit in the dropsite massacre where Kurze tells him Corax is heading his way and he is like ‘yeah np mate’ was badass
Also a thing to note, Huron knows the Codex Astartes and therefore has knowledge of their tactics and operating procedures. Know thy enemy or something like that.
"Know they enemy, know they self and you need never fear the outcome of a thousand battles."
Sun Tzu, the Art of War
I’m pretty sure any CSM can steal a copy of it and achieve the same success
One dead Marine who could do it too is Forrix. While he wasn't the greatest fighter, he was a near Guilliman level logistician, I deffo think he could lead chaos better than Abby.
If I am allowed to pick one of the aligned Marines, I do geniuenly think Typhus would make a great warmaster. His influence within the deathguard Rivals that of Mortalion, A FUCKING PRIMARCH.
Great call Forrix was a great character, the way he organised the siege of Hydra Cordatus was impressive, i loved that they included him in the horus heresy series, but i keep hoping one day it'll turn out he somehow survived his encounter with that warhound titan
@@WarmasterGazz Honestly Same! Iron Withing , Iron without !
Which books does he appear in?
@@darko-man8549 As far as I am aware Forrix initially showed up in the classic 40k novel Storm of Iron (A real page turner, I recommend it) he then was was showed to be one of Perturabos top guys during the Heresy (He was in the trident which was Pertys equivalent of the Mournival). You could even Argue that he was Pertys top guy. I've read quite a bit of the Heresy and the two books I've seen him a bit in were angel exterminatus and Magnus' Primarch book
I think it would be pretty neat if Abaddon got murdered in a duel with Guili the Man, resaulting in Abby’s permanent death and revealing an immensely more powerful super chaos dude that forces Mr. G and his Utah Marines to retreat. Maybe this villain could be an Undivided Traitor Primarch or mega daemon or new chaos god or something else that’s less powerful but equally cool.
I would love to see an uprising against Abbadon for warmaster, but Abbadon can survive and have his loyalists and plot his revenge as to keep his model and still be a prevalent character
Honsou should develop some big new technology, perhaps combing alien tech and demon stuff and become huge threat. It makes no sense that chaos has worse tech when they aren't hold back by anti heresy regulations
Whatever happened to the Dark Mechanicum anyway?
@@MrFallenone MAKE PEE-NIS INTO ROBOT
I really hope sevatar is still alive he’s such a good character and I want them to do more with him
Love the inheritance series reference, great vid as always
I think that Abaddon is a competent warlord, though Chaos is so disunited, it would take him to lead the taking of much more for the other chaos Warlords till put him above themselves.
Honsu's gene seed was harvested from an iron warrior known as the Honorable Sulaku (I spelled that wrong, but close enough.)
Sulaku was murdered by Fabius and Lucious during the joint Emperors children and iron warrior expedition to the eye of terror, the bottle holding the gene seed was burned and the words Honsu was left.
I thought he was like a half bred? Something of a chimeric gene
@@Matt-md5yt Im pretty sure he was lied to just because the chaos marines wanted to screw with someone
Damn I totally thought the wolves successors would win it lol
5:35 bless up for the eragon reference.
Huron Blackheart sounds like a bad guy in a Carebear movie.
to this day im still mad that GW retconned all of his black crusades to be successful and totally as planned instead of just creating a new more interesting character, hell they were still writing the horus heresy they could have easily written in some charecter to have an interesting arch before taking abbadons throne
I dont think it was really retconned, i think they had a basic idea they were leading to something big
@@Saintphoenix86 And Abaddon is still a joke
@@Saintphoenix86 yeah bud the characters potential has been gone for ages no one cares about him nor the black legion anymore
Luther may make a good Warmaster, me thinks.
Is it possible to get a video on the capabilities of firstborn space marines
I just find the idea interesting
i LOVED the Eragon reference with Galbatorix.. the Inheritence cycle is so underrated and its nice to see someone give it a nod
Abbadon is a great character, it's just GW not wanting Chaoe to have an actual victory against the Imperium because, you know, it would lead to the destruction of the Imperium and no more Space Marines to sell by the ass load.
And 2 Night Lords characters? Bias intensifies!
We all know Perturabo would be the best if he got his shit together and stopped crying in his tower, his strength, intelligence, technological knowhow, etc. would allow his to actually put the Imperium on the backfoot(something Abbadon or any other Warmaster couldn't/wouldn't do).
Also Huron wasn't a true CSM, just a traitor, so the true CSM from the original legions would laugh at him before doing their own thing. Do you really expect Huron to be able to control the big 4 of Arhiman, Kharn, Typhus, or Lucius? Fat chance, Huron would get merked if her tried to order any of them around, Kharn especially.
I urge everyone to read Talon of Horus by ADB. I've loved Abaddon ever since.
100%
It's a fantastic book, but really what does Abaddon do?
Those books are pretty weak as all they do is uplift Abaddon without ever really giving us a compelling reason to do so
I liked the video as soon as you referenced Galbatorix, love that series and hate what cinema did to it🤣 keep up the lore, I’ve been following for maybe over a year? Huge fan of your content and how you phrase things and just generally your channel!😂👌
Bro you have been killing it lately!! Legit love your videos man!!! Have me crying from laughing so hard usually! Keep it up man!!!
Why not one of the primarchs maybe pertorabo
he busy play rts
@@keeratijirananutwinyu8339 an yeah good point
This video really feels like an excuse for MajorKill to talk more about the night lords and Huron, still a great video tho.
I mean a SM from a blue boys chapter who command à chaos Fleet to ultramar...
I kind of want to see that.
Especially after knowing the war for badab.
I really Enjoy the way Majorkill makes his videos, He doesn't just complain about stuff he doesn't like in the setting, he researches and provides his own solutions, its super enjoyable
Yessss I'm early for a MajorKill video! Much love from Puerto Rico 🇵🇷! I wanna visit the great land down under one day.
What is funny for me is that, none Daemon Primarch had the "brilliant" idea to get control of the Black Legion for themselves and thus grabbing the title for them, even tough some of those though that they would have done a better job than Horus Himself.
Daemon Primarchs don't care about mortal strife, they have ascended to act as tools in the gods never ending conflict. you just haven't read enough lore to understand the role Daemon Primarchs play in the setting.
@Eric Guzman Well well well, point fingers, that's a delight way to write to someone, since you are a lore master yourself I believe we all have to just agree with you. If that's what you want, I concede to you brother. I guess they don't attack the Imperium anymore, I guess that they don't have their own motifs nor reasons to come back to reality and do their deeds nor have their own thoughts about specific things... Only being tools as you say. Well Fulgrim never wanted to corrupt Rylanor and transform him into an example for his legion. And I guess Mortarion only fought Guilliman because Nurgle order it. Well, I'm wrong and you are right. That's why chaos is very simple to understand, and 40k is a very narrow and easy to understand scenario with only one point of view ;). But who am I to have my own opinions about the scenario, I guess as you pre-judged, I didn't read enough lore to talk about it, right Timmy?
@@V0IV0DE yes I am , kiss the ring partner 🤣
@@ericguzman4043 this proves my point :). Thanks bro, have a great day.
@@ericguzman4043 What about Perturabo? He's (regrettably) a Demon Primarch (makes zero sense for his character) but he doesn't give a shit about the Chaos Gods or the Great Game and is still fairly active in leading the Iron Warriors iirc
I like Abbadon pretty well. I thought he was awesome in Saturnine. GW tends to write "evil" characters inconsistently. In one book they're a badass anti-hero, in the next one they're a petulant jerk-off. Perturabo is a perfect example. It's hard to bond with a character who doesn't have a consistent role. Plus some of the lore is decades old, when 40k was more like a really violent version of Thundercats.
Honestly it would be hilarious if the chaos gods just chose some random cultist to lead the next black crusade and he wound up doing a better job of it than abaddon
The human side of chaos needs an codex
that iron warrior bloke even makes me think of Archaon. Archaon was in a similar boat, his ascension to be the lord of the Apocalypse, while prophesized, seemed far fetched at first due to him not starting out as an overblown Chaos champion. Dude had to go through like... a dozen trials and kill thousands of rival aspiring Chosen to get to where he got and he nearly died or gave in so many times.
The glorious return of..... Not Timmy 😪
Hey, nice vid! All this talk about the flaws of old abby has me thinking that a video on how to make him better would be really interesting. Now his character is really not great but how could GW make him actually compelling and a good fit for warmaster?
I think he may have actually made one but don't quote me on this
I think his character isn't that bad of an idea
Like the idea he sees chaos as weak
And the reason he constantly corrupts people not out of submission to the gods but submission to him, for instance it is said when one follows chaos they lose their mind and basically become degenerate monsters
In this way all his chaos followers while go crazy requiring a leader for them to function, which is why he corrupts people, to make them under him, because of this he limits his access to chaos and hides to great his disbelief from the gods
This can great conflict within the black legion where Abaddon has to balance all 4 chaos gods as well make sure his followers are just the right amount of mindless and potentially weaker then him, he also would have to potentially kill his friends and allies to hide his disbelief ,and since he fears becoming an actual chaos follower he limits his power
In say a duel to the death he has to fight without his full strength or rish becoming an actual chaos follower and or an actual puppet for the gods
However this would prob require retcons like giving him an actually interesting personality and explaining why he doesn't want to follow the gods
There also that such changes that I recommend would make him from a pure evil villian to a more syemthic villian prob hurting his intimidatiion( if there was any in the first place)
I love the eragon reference. Also totally agree these choices would be bad ass.