Using a kitchen stove as a kiln for bending wood to make curved chair back rungs, then cutting the tenons on the end with the pantorouter. woodgears.ca/ki...
I love seeing Matthias’ Failures, not because I’m a sadist, but because it really shows that you have to pay attention to every detail or something can go wrong, which happens to me all the time.
Brilliant. Thank you very much. I was considering to bend the backs of my boy's chairs with steam but was reluctant to mess with the water and build some kind of "steam box". Your method seems so much easier to do and the idea with the wedges is great. Makes for a much nicer join and comfortable seat. I'll definitely try that and am hoping to achieve just half as good a fit as yours :D
THANK YOU! I'mot going to make a silly smart assed comment stating the obvious concerning the bending method you used. What I appreciate is your sometimes unconventional approach to a procedure. I would have NEVER considered the oven but now there is a new arrow in my quiver for some projects. Thank you again.
Is this... is this really Matthias Wandel making furniture again? I can't believe it is true. Please pinch me! These are the videos I like the most. Especially with this great outcome. I just can hope the rest of the chair follows soon. Can't wait. Regards, Etna.
Your ingenuity is what impresses me the most. If you can’t make something from wood, then it can’t be made. Your dad would be very proud of all you’ve accomplished sir.
Seeing the mistakes and other issues that crop up during the process are so helpful, especially with your explanation of what happened, why it did, and what you did to correct it. Thank you for showing these so we have an idea of ways to manage them if/when we run into similar problems.
Brilliant idea of using the oven. I would've burned down my house! I hate those days when all forces are working against you, but you're an expert now!
In 1990 my daughter got an American Girl doll for Christmas and then wanted the accessories to match, one of which was a bow top trunk that also held a bed and had room for clothes. We could not afford it at over $200 so I built it out of 1/4 inch birch ply. To make the bow top I heated the plywood in the oven and then quickly clamped it to a form. She still has the doll, the trunk, and all of the original clothes.
Watch out, Matt Cremona, looks like you've got competition! 😄 Seriously, this is fascinating; I had no idea you could just bake wood into curves like that. Have you tried with different species? Definitely lots of challenges overcome in this one!
Watching my friend Pat bend ukulele sides, it's mostly just a matter of getting the wood hot enough long enough. But I don't know if stuff like spruce would work for this.
Matthias Wandel Just wanted to let you know how much I love your videos. I think I’ve watched all of them about a hundred times. Really helps to pass the time during this crappy situation we are going through. You have given me a lot of ideas that have helped me in my own shop. Hope you and your family are staying safe and healthy. Please keep the videos coming.
I've always wondered how tight of a bend radius you could get with these wood forming methods and if the spring-back varies between different types of wood
Very nice job! But when you reached in and grabbed that splintered wood at 3:39, with the spinning router bit just inches from your fingers, that made me wince.
It's good to see someone with such experience going through the process which is so familiar to myself - like thirty silly mistakes in a row lmao. It gives me hope.
@@johnvidal70 You and me have a very different definition of "hack". I've been a carpenter for almost 30 years and I'm VERY good at what I do. Wandel makes me look like the village simpleton. He makes a lot of mistakes, but for every mistake he has 2 genius leaps of logic that more than make up for it.
The result looks good, but it seems like you could have sacrificed one of the bending forms as something to clamp it on while cutting the tenons. May have required a little belt sander adjustment of the form to account for the final sprung-back bend though.
The steam bag method is really cool, it's on a shipwrights TH-cam channel, you can bend the wood and clamp it to the shape while steaming it at the same time.
Been watching for years. Nice to see even the youube gods themselves are mere humans. Even Matthias makes mistakes and he NEVER makes an attemt to hide silly attempts. it is EASY to learn from MW's mistakes as he focuses pretty much everything on the mistakes and what could go wrong so it does not for you. .
@@peggyt1243 Tolerant wife? Maybe more like sensible. Modern ovens are not as good as the manufacturers advertise. The electronics in them can go bad very easily, the same with modern day refrigerators. I listen to the appliance doctor on the radio; he doesn't like the modern stuff all that much for that very reason.
Some commenters are worried about the max thickness that can be curved. Others say a thick as that piece will be stressed too much. I believe that a probably faster and better curving could be achieved by laminating together two or more thinner plies, which would produce less stress, less spingback and an easier and faster bending. And by soaking into household diluted Ammonia, curving becomes easier. That procedure is used by consumated Aeromodellers for producing highly curved, strong thin and light structures for horizontal stabilizers and rudders.
Tip for re-sawing using the table saw- use a blade with as few teeth as possible. If you can get away with the reduced diameter, an outside blade from a dado set is great. Reduced diameter means mower speed and higher torque, plus there’s usually fewer teeth.
I'd like to see some strength test between wood bent to that shape and pieces cut out from a thicker block. I believe the bent ones would be stronger due to grain continuity, but the stress of bending might affect the result.
If your part demands a lot of strenght, your best approach will be to laminate many thinner plies of curved wood. That prevents a high stress and allows more strenght reserve for your loads.
I'm not sure I could get the bending results from our gas oven, as it has uneven heating all around. But that's definitely better than building a single purpose steam box for the job. I'll file that one into my hack-bank. Thanks!
Christ, the brain on this man. inspiring and daunting at the same time.
Watching this make me understand why quality furniture is so expensive. Great work I must say!
I love seeing Matthias’ Failures, not because I’m a sadist, but because it really shows that you have to pay attention to every detail or something can go wrong, which happens to me all the time.
Brilliant. Thank you very much. I was considering to bend the backs of my boy's chairs with steam but was reluctant to mess with the water and build some kind of "steam box". Your method seems so much easier to do and the idea with the wedges is great. Makes for a much nicer join and comfortable seat. I'll definitely try that and am hoping to achieve just half as good a fit as yours :D
You could try adding a small bowl of water to the oven so it's steamy inside. That might help the bending as then the oven doesn't dry out the wood.
THANK YOU!
I'mot going to make a silly smart assed comment stating the obvious concerning the bending method you used. What I appreciate is your sometimes unconventional approach to a procedure. I would have NEVER considered the oven but now there is a new arrow in my quiver for some projects. Thank you again.
Is this... is this really Matthias Wandel making furniture again? I can't believe it is true. Please pinch me!
These are the videos I like the most. Especially with this great outcome. I just can hope the rest of the chair follows soon. Can't wait.
Regards,
Etna.
Me too! Any time I build a table, I watch his videos on simple furniture construction. It's such a great resource.
Making furniture? No, baking actually.
*Pinches with a clamp
@@pandaguan * pinches with 30 clamps
This is one of the more relatable woodworking videos I've seen in a long time. Will have to try out the bending technique too!
Your ingenuity is what impresses me the most. If you can’t make something from wood, then it can’t be made.
Your dad would be very proud of all you’ve accomplished sir.
Everything I ever needed to know I learned from Matthias Wandel. Hero woodworking dude! Cheers, C.
Yeah any time I'm feeling particularly proud of how clever I am, watching this guy can humble me pretty quickly.
What you’ve accomplished over the years is really cool. I’m still in awe over the original pantorouter!
Baking and woodworking... multi-talented!
Nice to meet you.I am Japanese.
Your technique is great.
I've learned a lot!
Well done! Making chairs are by the hardest furnitures to manage.
Thanks for showing the process in parts one and two and not just the third part where you had it all figured out!
nicely done! I like all the mistakes presented, these are some priceless insights.
That oven has an awesome paint scheme.
Beautiful ! Your attention to accuracy is always a treat.
Looking forward to the finished product. -KJ
Always a joy to watch you work through the problems. Keep 'em coming.
At the Wandel family:
"Hey honey, what are you baking?"
"Oh just, you know, a chair..."
hmmmmmmmmm chair...yum.
That's going to need extra gravy :o)
That oven is spotless. Thus not a real oven :-)
Very nice to see you making these chairs... they're going to look great and I can't wait to see the finished the pieces !!!
Great work Matthias! As always you are very clever and finding solutions to any obstacle! Great video also, Thanks for posting
This should be the pantorouter channel as everything seems to evolve around having one nowadays 😄
Seeing the mistakes and other issues that crop up during the process are so helpful, especially with your explanation of what happened, why it did, and what you did to correct it. Thank you for showing these so we have an idea of ways to manage them if/when we run into similar problems.
You are always up to date with inventions 👍
Thank you so much
Brilliant idea of using the oven. I would've burned down my house! I hate those days when all forces are working against you, but you're an expert now!
Wonderful to watch you working with wood ! 👍 👌
I don't have anything that thick. Immediately shows a very thick piece of wood. I love your vids matthias, I've learned a ton over the past few years.
I think he means no nice wood that thick. The one he made the template/form from looked like 2x material
he said "thick wood". Also, glad to hear I was not the alone when the cut immediately goes to a pile of adequately thicc specimens.
Always an education watching your vids! Nicely done.
Yup im making a pantorouter next yup! The more, and more I see you use this, the more, and more I really want one.
Gotta admin when I saw decorative oak chair backs I immediately recalled your dads unfinished chairs. Nice one!
Glad to see you making videos again.
In 1990 my daughter got an American Girl doll for Christmas and then wanted the accessories to match, one of which was a bow top trunk that also held a bed and had room for clothes. We could not afford it at over $200 so I built it out of 1/4 inch birch ply. To make the bow top I heated the plywood in the oven and then quickly clamped it to a form. She still has the doll, the trunk, and all of the original clothes.
Wow, making chairs is not for newbies. This is extremely impressive.
Extreme example of " improvise, adapt n overcome!" You got this!
W O W!!!!!!!!!!!
Awsome skills!
Thanks for sharing!
GWW... Ooouuuttt!!!
Dry nice work. Your router jig is awesome!
This is amazing work ! I could only dream of being this smart .
Blimey! A clean oven! It's been a long time since I have seen one of those!
Watch out, Matt Cremona, looks like you've got competition! 😄 Seriously, this is fascinating; I had no idea you could just bake wood into curves like that. Have you tried with different species? Definitely lots of challenges overcome in this one!
Watching my friend Pat bend ukulele sides, it's mostly just a matter of getting the wood hot enough long enough. But I don't know if stuff like spruce would work for this.
Matthias Wandel Just wanted to let you know how much I love your videos. I think I’ve watched all of them about a hundred times. Really helps to pass the time during this crappy situation we are going through. You have given me a lot of ideas that have helped me in my own shop. Hope you and your family are staying safe and healthy. Please keep the videos coming.
if i remember correctly, evergreen species dont' take bends well
You really impressed and surprised me with that oven trick. Now I want to figure out how I can make a set up for wood bigger than my oven.
Матиас, больше 10 лет смотрю твой канал и всегда есть что нибудь интересное. Респект и благодарность 👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯
Great episode!!!! Such a master craftsman.
Always so much great information and technique
I just got recommended this channel video, and I was already subscribed, I have no idea when this happened
All ways very good and different ideals.Great work
Nice!
Would the oven bending method work with plywood, or would the glue be a problem? (Maybe off-gasing if nothing else, I suppose....)
Thats an interesting looking oven!
Could one use the bending form to help fixing the piece for the router?
Need a follow up with Mrs. Wandel's reaction to Matthias using her stove like this. :)
It's a stove in a kitchen in the basement that we never use.
@@matthiaswandel I love that you feel the need to explain that!
Is it the last remaining Coppertone stove in Canada?
nicktecky55 Lol
The rest of the chairs will be more STRAIGHTforward heh heh heh.
Your dad would be extremely proud of you.
you can use your bending template to hold your piece in place.
I've always wondered how tight of a bend radius you could get with these wood forming methods and if the spring-back varies between different types of wood
V&E !! :: Vision and Energy is a joy to watch, and to be be educated and on a really good day to be inspired !!
Good to see new stuff from you. Good to see others do a bit of bumbling, too.
Very nice job! But when you reached in and grabbed that splintered wood at 3:39, with the spinning router bit just inches from your fingers, that made me wince.
Yeah, router would have kicked it away anyway, so why bother risking some good fingers? Same with the loose clothing all the time...
Mmmm, that smells good. What are we having for dinner?
Matt: ....A sit down dinner.
I'll let myself out.
Good pun! 😂🤣😂
So much fiber!
Something to chew on!
That was half-baked...
Pervert.
It's good to see someone with such experience going through the process which is so familiar to myself - like thirty silly mistakes in a row lmao. It gives me hope.
@@johnvidal70 You'll be respectful, or you'll be ignored.
@@johnvidal70 You and me have a very different definition of "hack". I've been a carpenter for almost 30 years and I'm VERY good at what I do. Wandel makes me look like the village simpleton. He makes a lot of mistakes, but for every mistake he has 2 genius leaps of logic that more than make up for it.
The result looks good, but it seems like you could have sacrificed one of the bending forms as something to clamp it on while cutting the tenons. May have required a little belt sander adjustment of the form to account for the final sprung-back bend though.
It would have required a longer bending form
Omg.. that makes life so much easier... cheers frim brazil
That tenon jig is mind-blowing
Sehr schöne Arbeit! Gut durchdachte.
Love that vintage oven!
Awesome! Really want to try this now...don't think i'll be allowed to use the oven like this tho...
Your a beast!!! I learned something new today. Good job.
Love the oven trick... fool-proof, way easier and simpler than a steam chamber !
The steam bag method is really cool, it's on a shipwrights TH-cam channel, you can bend the wood and clamp it to the shape while steaming it at the same time.
Hardly ever see anyone use the method either, guess it's a secret.
Don't you love figuring out the process somewhere in the middle of doing the last iteration of work? I know I do!
Will there be a part two? Would love to see these finished. :)
Nice to see the extra basement kitchen isn't going to waste
Been watching for years. Nice to see even the youube gods themselves are mere humans. Even Matthias makes mistakes and he NEVER makes an attemt to hide silly attempts. it is EASY to learn from MW's mistakes as he focuses pretty much everything on the mistakes and what could go wrong so it does not for you. .
love the pantorouter!
Woodbending, the lost bending form avatars couldn't master
Amazing. Good job 👍
Have you thought about adding a pan of water to the oven so the wood gets steamed more?
No. I was going well above the boiling point, so the water would be gone anyway.
Would it not tend to steam-bend the form?
Чудесные изделия!!!))
Beautiful stove. And also, u rule man!!!
That's one old oven.
Is it? It looks like a "new" retro style oven to me. I'm probably wrong though hahaha
Yes it takes a very tolerant wife to not insist on a new one.
@@peggyt1243
Tolerant wife?
Maybe more like sensible.
Modern ovens are not as good as the manufacturers advertise.
The electronics in them can go bad very easily, the same with modern day refrigerators.
I listen to the appliance doctor on the radio; he doesn't like the modern stuff all that much for that very reason.
@@scotttovey Apparently it is in a basement kitchen not the main floor kitchen used daily. See Matthias's comment further down.
@@peggyt1243 😎👍
I'm a simple man, I see a Matthias Wandel video, I like it.
Thank you for sharing your problem-solving technics. It's really interesting to see how you solve issues and bypass difficulties. Again thank you 🙏
Love it, there is always a way to do something when you may Not have the easy tools to do it.🙂❤🙂
chisels, sanding block, a rasp
Wow.. Brilliant 👏
Very good work.
This video taught me that curved pieces are more trouble than they're worth.
Excelente saludos desde Panama city..¿que madera utilizo para hacer las curvas? Gracias
My house is full of Drywall screws as well. Such lovely screw design.. that sharp point... that bugle head...
That is really amazing idea
Ah, some woodbending again... that reminds me of your ukulele project.
-Were- What made the clamping forms used to bend the wood incompatible with the pantorouter?
too short
Super cool! Gotta try bending something now.
Some commenters are worried about the max thickness that can be curved. Others say a thick as that piece will be stressed too much.
I believe that a probably faster and better curving could be achieved by laminating together two or more thinner plies, which would produce less stress, less spingback and an easier and faster bending. And by soaking into household diluted Ammonia, curving becomes easier. That procedure is used by consumated Aeromodellers for producing highly curved, strong thin and light structures for horizontal stabilizers and rudders.
Interesting. How long do they soak in ammonia for? I assume that the ammonia loosens the bonds between the grain, much like with hair being permed.
This procedure works, no lamination, no ammonia required. Perhaps in your world more work is easier and faster, but not in mine.
Tip for re-sawing using the table saw- use a blade with as few teeth as possible. If you can get away with the reduced diameter, an outside blade from a dado set is great. Reduced diameter means mower speed and higher torque, plus there’s usually fewer teeth.
I'd like to see some strength test between wood bent to that shape and pieces cut out from a thicker block. I believe the bent ones would be stronger due to grain continuity, but the stress of bending might affect the result.
If your part demands a lot of strenght, your best approach will be to laminate many thinner plies of curved wood. That prevents a high stress and allows more strenght reserve for your loads.
This has helped me in soooo many ways. Thank you for making this video.
Hi Matthias, would you have any beginner box projects? thank you!
I think you are a real scientist.
I'm not sure I could get the bending results from our gas oven, as it has uneven heating all around. But that's definitely better than building a single purpose steam box for the job. I'll file that one into my hack-bank. Thanks!
Этому мастеру 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Amazing setup I want something similar. Beautiful mind✨
Parabens so ferramentas top
That's a cool old oven you got there