I love seeing Matthias’ Failures, not because I’m a sadist, but because it really shows that you have to pay attention to every detail or something can go wrong, which happens to me all the time.
Brilliant. Thank you very much. I was considering to bend the backs of my boy's chairs with steam but was reluctant to mess with the water and build some kind of "steam box". Your method seems so much easier to do and the idea with the wedges is great. Makes for a much nicer join and comfortable seat. I'll definitely try that and am hoping to achieve just half as good a fit as yours :D
Your ingenuity is what impresses me the most. If you can’t make something from wood, then it can’t be made. Your dad would be very proud of all you’ve accomplished sir.
THANK YOU! I'mot going to make a silly smart assed comment stating the obvious concerning the bending method you used. What I appreciate is your sometimes unconventional approach to a procedure. I would have NEVER considered the oven but now there is a new arrow in my quiver for some projects. Thank you again.
Brilliant idea of using the oven. I would've burned down my house! I hate those days when all forces are working against you, but you're an expert now!
Is this... is this really Matthias Wandel making furniture again? I can't believe it is true. Please pinch me! These are the videos I like the most. Especially with this great outcome. I just can hope the rest of the chair follows soon. Can't wait. Regards, Etna.
In 1990 my daughter got an American Girl doll for Christmas and then wanted the accessories to match, one of which was a bow top trunk that also held a bed and had room for clothes. We could not afford it at over $200 so I built it out of 1/4 inch birch ply. To make the bow top I heated the plywood in the oven and then quickly clamped it to a form. She still has the doll, the trunk, and all of the original clothes.
Watch out, Matt Cremona, looks like you've got competition! 😄 Seriously, this is fascinating; I had no idea you could just bake wood into curves like that. Have you tried with different species? Definitely lots of challenges overcome in this one!
Watching my friend Pat bend ukulele sides, it's mostly just a matter of getting the wood hot enough long enough. But I don't know if stuff like spruce would work for this.
Matthias Wandel Just wanted to let you know how much I love your videos. I think I’ve watched all of them about a hundred times. Really helps to pass the time during this crappy situation we are going through. You have given me a lot of ideas that have helped me in my own shop. Hope you and your family are staying safe and healthy. Please keep the videos coming.
Seeing the mistakes and other issues that crop up during the process are so helpful, especially with your explanation of what happened, why it did, and what you did to correct it. Thank you for showing these so we have an idea of ways to manage them if/when we run into similar problems.
I've always wondered how tight of a bend radius you could get with these wood forming methods and if the spring-back varies between different types of wood
Very nice job! But when you reached in and grabbed that splintered wood at 3:39, with the spinning router bit just inches from your fingers, that made me wince.
Thank you for another great video and showing the process of that complex piece. Very inspiring. Certainly shows the utility of a pantorouter. Looks like you set the over to 300degF. Is that specific to the wood you're using?
It's good to see someone with such experience going through the process which is so familiar to myself - like thirty silly mistakes in a row lmao. It gives me hope.
@@johnvidal70 You and me have a very different definition of "hack". I've been a carpenter for almost 30 years and I'm VERY good at what I do. Wandel makes me look like the village simpleton. He makes a lot of mistakes, but for every mistake he has 2 genius leaps of logic that more than make up for it.
Impressive; I've not seen wood "steam" bent in an oven like that before. I take it the timber is air dried (or still a bit green) rather than kiln dried?
What can you tell me about your BigPrint program? What are the CAD, Operating system, and printer requirements? Love the chair back wedge idea and oven bending!
An ingenious method of routing those tenons. However, perhaps a little over complex? Would it not have been more simple to use a small back saw? Unless of course you are intending to make dozens of those chairs. Not being negative just wondering why you went to all the trouble? Great video.
The steam bag method is really cool, it's on a shipwrights TH-cam channel, you can bend the wood and clamp it to the shape while steaming it at the same time.
Been watching for years. Nice to see even the youube gods themselves are mere humans. Even Matthias makes mistakes and he NEVER makes an attemt to hide silly attempts. it is EASY to learn from MW's mistakes as he focuses pretty much everything on the mistakes and what could go wrong so it does not for you. .
@@Heraclitean ... want more steam? Soak the wood for a few hours or overnight. After cooking just shut the oven off and let it cool overnight so it's totally dry..
Tip for re-sawing using the table saw- use a blade with as few teeth as possible. If you can get away with the reduced diameter, an outside blade from a dado set is great. Reduced diameter means mower speed and higher torque, plus there’s usually fewer teeth.
Some commenters are worried about the max thickness that can be curved. Others say a thick as that piece will be stressed too much. I believe that a probably faster and better curving could be achieved by laminating together two or more thinner plies, which would produce less stress, less spingback and an easier and faster bending. And by soaking into household diluted Ammonia, curving becomes easier. That procedure is used by consumated Aeromodellers for producing highly curved, strong thin and light structures for horizontal stabilizers and rudders.
I'd like to see some strength test between wood bent to that shape and pieces cut out from a thicker block. I believe the bent ones would be stronger due to grain continuity, but the stress of bending might affect the result.
If your part demands a lot of strenght, your best approach will be to laminate many thinner plies of curved wood. That prevents a high stress and allows more strenght reserve for your loads.
The result looks good, but it seems like you could have sacrificed one of the bending forms as something to clamp it on while cutting the tenons. May have required a little belt sander adjustment of the form to account for the final sprung-back bend though.
@@alainmouchot2955 ... I believe he set the oven for 350F so I just converted that. At 175F you'd be waiting all day and that would be way below boiling point so no steam.
To prevent movement during routing. The workpiece should be clamp to a hard stop not a sprung stop. Never clamp against a sprung portion. I believe it would be easier to clamp it with the curved side up while the just glued small wedge is still flat.
What happened at 0:38 ? The board was feeding through on the final cut and suddenly the video cut forward a second or two. Was there some kickback or something edited out?
I love seeing Matthias’ Failures, not because I’m a sadist, but because it really shows that you have to pay attention to every detail or something can go wrong, which happens to me all the time.
Christ, the brain on this man. inspiring and daunting at the same time.
You could try adding a small bowl of water to the oven so it's steamy inside. That might help the bending as then the oven doesn't dry out the wood.
Watching this make me understand why quality furniture is so expensive. Great work I must say!
Brilliant. Thank you very much. I was considering to bend the backs of my boy's chairs with steam but was reluctant to mess with the water and build some kind of "steam box". Your method seems so much easier to do and the idea with the wedges is great. Makes for a much nicer join and comfortable seat. I'll definitely try that and am hoping to achieve just half as good a fit as yours :D
Your ingenuity is what impresses me the most. If you can’t make something from wood, then it can’t be made.
Your dad would be very proud of all you’ve accomplished sir.
This is one of the more relatable woodworking videos I've seen in a long time. Will have to try out the bending technique too!
THANK YOU!
I'mot going to make a silly smart assed comment stating the obvious concerning the bending method you used. What I appreciate is your sometimes unconventional approach to a procedure. I would have NEVER considered the oven but now there is a new arrow in my quiver for some projects. Thank you again.
What you’ve accomplished over the years is really cool. I’m still in awe over the original pantorouter!
Nice to meet you.I am Japanese.
Your technique is great.
I've learned a lot!
Well done! Making chairs are by the hardest furnitures to manage.
At the Wandel family:
"Hey honey, what are you baking?"
"Oh just, you know, a chair..."
hmmmmmmmmm chair...yum.
That's going to need extra gravy :o)
That oven is spotless. Thus not a real oven :-)
This should be the pantorouter channel as everything seems to evolve around having one nowadays 😄
Nice!
Would the oven bending method work with plywood, or would the glue be a problem? (Maybe off-gasing if nothing else, I suppose....)
Thanks for showing the process in parts one and two and not just the third part where you had it all figured out!
Beautiful ! Your attention to accuracy is always a treat.
Looking forward to the finished product. -KJ
Gotta admin when I saw decorative oak chair backs I immediately recalled your dads unfinished chairs. Nice one!
Great work Matthias! As always you are very clever and finding solutions to any obstacle! Great video also, Thanks for posting
That oven has an awesome paint scheme.
Brilliant idea of using the oven. I would've burned down my house! I hate those days when all forces are working against you, but you're an expert now!
Is this... is this really Matthias Wandel making furniture again? I can't believe it is true. Please pinch me!
These are the videos I like the most. Especially with this great outcome. I just can hope the rest of the chair follows soon. Can't wait.
Regards,
Etna.
Me too! Any time I build a table, I watch his videos on simple furniture construction. It's such a great resource.
Making furniture? No, baking actually.
*Pinches with a clamp
@@pandaguan * pinches with 30 clamps
In 1990 my daughter got an American Girl doll for Christmas and then wanted the accessories to match, one of which was a bow top trunk that also held a bed and had room for clothes. We could not afford it at over $200 so I built it out of 1/4 inch birch ply. To make the bow top I heated the plywood in the oven and then quickly clamped it to a form. She still has the doll, the trunk, and all of the original clothes.
Very nice to see you making these chairs... they're going to look great and I can't wait to see the finished the pieces !!!
Always a joy to watch you work through the problems. Keep 'em coming.
Everything I ever needed to know I learned from Matthias Wandel. Hero woodworking dude! Cheers, C.
Yeah any time I'm feeling particularly proud of how clever I am, watching this guy can humble me pretty quickly.
Baking and woodworking... multi-talented!
nicely done! I like all the mistakes presented, these are some priceless insights.
Wow, making chairs is not for newbies. This is extremely impressive.
You are always up to date with inventions 👍
Thank you so much
I don't have anything that thick. Immediately shows a very thick piece of wood. I love your vids matthias, I've learned a ton over the past few years.
I think he means no nice wood that thick. The one he made the template/form from looked like 2x material
he said "thick wood". Also, glad to hear I was not the alone when the cut immediately goes to a pile of adequately thicc specimens.
Матиас, больше 10 лет смотрю твой канал и всегда есть что нибудь интересное. Респект и благодарность 👍👍👍👍💯💯💯💯
Yup im making a pantorouter next yup! The more, and more I see you use this, the more, and more I really want one.
Dry nice work. Your router jig is awesome!
Watch out, Matt Cremona, looks like you've got competition! 😄 Seriously, this is fascinating; I had no idea you could just bake wood into curves like that. Have you tried with different species? Definitely lots of challenges overcome in this one!
Watching my friend Pat bend ukulele sides, it's mostly just a matter of getting the wood hot enough long enough. But I don't know if stuff like spruce would work for this.
Matthias Wandel Just wanted to let you know how much I love your videos. I think I’ve watched all of them about a hundred times. Really helps to pass the time during this crappy situation we are going through. You have given me a lot of ideas that have helped me in my own shop. Hope you and your family are staying safe and healthy. Please keep the videos coming.
if i remember correctly, evergreen species dont' take bends well
Seeing the mistakes and other issues that crop up during the process are so helpful, especially with your explanation of what happened, why it did, and what you did to correct it. Thank you for showing these so we have an idea of ways to manage them if/when we run into similar problems.
Mmmm, that smells good. What are we having for dinner?
Matt: ....A sit down dinner.
I'll let myself out.
Good pun! 😂🤣😂
So much fiber!
Something to chew on!
That was half-baked...
Pervert.
I've always wondered how tight of a bend radius you could get with these wood forming methods and if the spring-back varies between different types of wood
Awesome! Really want to try this now...don't think i'll be allowed to use the oven like this tho...
You really impressed and surprised me with that oven trick. Now I want to figure out how I can make a set up for wood bigger than my oven.
Very nice job! But when you reached in and grabbed that splintered wood at 3:39, with the spinning router bit just inches from your fingers, that made me wince.
Yeah, router would have kicked it away anyway, so why bother risking some good fingers? Same with the loose clothing all the time...
Thank you for another great video and showing the process of that complex piece. Very inspiring. Certainly shows the utility of a pantorouter.
Looks like you set the over to 300degF. Is that specific to the wood you're using?
Just a guess.
Excelente saludos desde Panama city..¿que madera utilizo para hacer las curvas? Gracias
Extreme example of " improvise, adapt n overcome!" You got this!
W O W!!!!!!!!!!!
Awsome skills!
Thanks for sharing!
GWW... Ooouuuttt!!!
I just got recommended this channel video, and I was already subscribed, I have no idea when this happened
Have you thought about adding a pan of water to the oven so the wood gets steamed more?
No. I was going well above the boiling point, so the water would be gone anyway.
Would it not tend to steam-bend the form?
It's good to see someone with such experience going through the process which is so familiar to myself - like thirty silly mistakes in a row lmao. It gives me hope.
@@johnvidal70 You'll be respectful, or you'll be ignored.
@@johnvidal70 You and me have a very different definition of "hack". I've been a carpenter for almost 30 years and I'm VERY good at what I do. Wandel makes me look like the village simpleton. He makes a lot of mistakes, but for every mistake he has 2 genius leaps of logic that more than make up for it.
Glad to see you making videos again.
Would it have been worth doing the milling and joinery before heating the pieces up in the oven?
That would make it hard to get the alignment right. Plus, with the extra bits I glued on, that glue joint would have failed in the oven.
Could one use the bending form to help fixing the piece for the router?
Impressive; I've not seen wood "steam" bent in an oven like that before. I take it the timber is air dried (or still a bit green) rather than kiln dried?
it was quite dry to begin with.
Great episode!!!! Such a master craftsman.
Terrific results from the oven! How hot did you set the oven?
read linked article or watch the video.
Always an education watching your vids! Nicely done.
What can you tell me about your BigPrint program? What are the CAD, Operating system, and printer requirements? Love the chair back wedge idea and oven bending!
woodgears.ca/bigprint
That tenon jig is mind-blowing
Blimey! A clean oven! It's been a long time since I have seen one of those!
you can use your bending template to hold your piece in place.
An ingenious method of routing those tenons. However, perhaps a little over complex? Would it not have been more simple to use a small back saw? Unless of course you are intending to make dozens of those chairs. Not being negative just wondering why you went to all the trouble? Great video.
Using a back saw would have been way more difficult, and I already have the pantorouter machine.
Will there be a part two? Would love to see these finished. :)
Wonderful to watch you working with wood ! 👍 👌
Love the oven trick... fool-proof, way easier and simpler than a steam chamber !
The steam bag method is really cool, it's on a shipwrights TH-cam channel, you can bend the wood and clamp it to the shape while steaming it at the same time.
Hardly ever see anyone use the method either, guess it's a secret.
Why not using another set of cauls for bending but with anti skid material for holding on router table?
yes, that might work. But instead I just made my clamping method work.
This is amazing work ! I could only dream of being this smart .
Good to see new stuff from you. Good to see others do a bit of bumbling, too.
Thats an interesting looking oven!
Been watching for years. Nice to see even the youube gods themselves are mere humans. Even Matthias makes mistakes and he NEVER makes an attemt to hide silly attempts. it is EASY to learn from MW's mistakes as he focuses pretty much everything on the mistakes and what could go wrong so it does not for you. .
All ways very good and different ideals.Great work
Love that vintage oven!
Always so much great information and technique
love the pantorouter!
Have you tried doing it without wetting the wood? I'm curious if water is even necessary.
Helps keep it from scorching.
Not sure if the water mattered. The wood dries pretty fast at those temperatures.
V&E !! :: Vision and Energy is a joy to watch, and to be be educated and on a really good day to be inspired !!
I thought more steam would be necessary for something like this, or is the wood moisture high enough?
It's about raising the temperature of the wood. Steam is just a convenient way to do that in many situations.
@@Heraclitean ... want more steam? Soak the wood for a few hours or overnight. After cooking just shut the oven off and let it cool overnight so it's totally dry..
Do you have to soak the wood in water first?
Sehr schöne Arbeit! Gut durchdachte.
Tip for re-sawing using the table saw- use a blade with as few teeth as possible. If you can get away with the reduced diameter, an outside blade from a dado set is great. Reduced diameter means mower speed and higher torque, plus there’s usually fewer teeth.
-Were- What made the clamping forms used to bend the wood incompatible with the pantorouter?
too short
Amazing. Good job 👍
Some commenters are worried about the max thickness that can be curved. Others say a thick as that piece will be stressed too much.
I believe that a probably faster and better curving could be achieved by laminating together two or more thinner plies, which would produce less stress, less spingback and an easier and faster bending. And by soaking into household diluted Ammonia, curving becomes easier. That procedure is used by consumated Aeromodellers for producing highly curved, strong thin and light structures for horizontal stabilizers and rudders.
Interesting. How long do they soak in ammonia for? I assume that the ammonia loosens the bonds between the grain, much like with hair being permed.
This procedure works, no lamination, no ammonia required. Perhaps in your world more work is easier and faster, but not in mine.
I'd like to see some strength test between wood bent to that shape and pieces cut out from a thicker block. I believe the bent ones would be stronger due to grain continuity, but the stress of bending might affect the result.
If your part demands a lot of strenght, your best approach will be to laminate many thinner plies of curved wood. That prevents a high stress and allows more strenght reserve for your loads.
Need a follow up with Mrs. Wandel's reaction to Matthias using her stove like this. :)
It's a stove in a kitchen in the basement that we never use.
@@matthiaswandel I love that you feel the need to explain that!
Is it the last remaining Coppertone stove in Canada?
nicktecky55 Lol
Your dad would be extremely proud of you.
how complex of a curve do you think is possible with just a home kitchen oven?
The result looks good, but it seems like you could have sacrificed one of the bending forms as something to clamp it on while cutting the tenons. May have required a little belt sander adjustment of the form to account for the final sprung-back bend though.
It would have required a longer bending form
Very interesting! But, my english is not good, so I didn't understand what is the temperature you use.
Alain MOUCHOT
... that's about 175 C which is hot enough to boil the water off but cool enough to not burn the wood.
@@rupe53 Thanks lot for the response but I think you want say 175°F, because in °C it is largely enough to boil water
@@alainmouchot2955 ... I believe he set the oven for 350F so I just converted that. At 175F you'd be waiting all day and that would be way below boiling point so no steam.
@@rupe53 OK, it is clear, Thanks
Nice to see the extra basement kitchen isn't going to waste
Spray water into the oven. Steam bath in the bottom bit like baking bread ?
What kind of wood is so beautiful?
oak
I wonder if you could curve wood quicker with cleaning steamer?
You should definitely try a spiral bit, it would reduce a lot of that vibration
Thank you for sharing your problem-solving technics. It's really interesting to see how you solve issues and bypass difficulties. Again thank you 🙏
I'm a simple man, I see a Matthias Wandel video, I like it.
What species of wood is that? It looks like either Oak or Hickory.
To prevent movement during routing. The workpiece should be clamp to a hard stop not a sprung stop. Never clamp against a sprung portion.
I believe it would be easier to clamp it with the curved side up while the just glued small wedge is still flat.
I think you would get less vibration and a cleaner cut with a spiral bit. In the router.
Hi Matthias, would you have any beginner box projects? thank you!
Woodbending, the lost bending form avatars couldn't master
My house is full of Drywall screws as well. Such lovely screw design.. that sharp point... that bugle head...
What happened at 0:38 ? The board was feeding through on the final cut and suddenly the video cut forward a second or two. Was there some kickback or something edited out?
just time edited out to keep the action moving.
@@matthiaswandel I would have rather seen it than have 1-second cut out in the middle of the feed. Seriously, 1 second???
Could you have used the bending form to help secure the work piece on Pantarouter?
wasn't long enough, so would have needed a new form. So I made my method work instead.