Thanks for watching! Little addition to the video: Halo Reach and 4 had File Browsers before Halo 5. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/2U017P0Z7T4/w-d-xo.html
Would love to see what u think about how a halo battle royale mode would work all the elements are there the vehicles , many different guns , the map can take parts from all halos to make a giant halo map or halo ring ,
This would definitely be ideal, and it's doable! Timesplitters was shown in this video - fitting, as the mapmaker you can use in that series also had a toggle for just that that simplified the controls a lot for a newbie map editor.
Typical Saturday night with each Halo: Halo 3: trying to flip mammoths Halo 4: building giant bases and angering friends by repeatedly baking lights H2A: making a maze of doors Halo 5: building weird and wacky vehicles by welding a bunch of random objects to a mongoose Halo Reach: haha grid go weeeeee
In halo Reach my friend and I do this really dumb thing called "trash compacter": we get as many vehicles as possible on the tall island and then we crush them with the grid. Extremely satisfying.
@@RoachCutscenes I did something similar, but with grab lifts that would launch a kill ball into a box of vehicles that were set to the lowest spawn timer. We tried so hard to break the game in weird ways and it was so fun.
Considering how much less is in a destiny map that a halo map forge would just be a custom map maker. It would be cool but it understandable why they haven’t implemented it
Everything feels plastic and fake in halo 5, I prefer halo reach because even though there isn’t much detail, it feels like you can make everything you want. (Halo 5 is TOO detailed for me)
@@luiiibilll00 No, I didn’t state that, I meant that you can’t place any buildings or actual structures in halo-5 and I like Reach (especially on MCC) more
Reach forge was I think was the best balance of being a toy and a tool. The new forge is incredibly powerful and amazing but it’s so technical and it’s not as easy to just slap things together and have fun. It was so fun just to hop into forge and just throw stuff around for fun and make dumb maps. Great video loved it 👍🏼
My man, halo 5 had the best forge hands down. Reach's forge will always have a special place in my heart but the amount of editing power in 5 is just too hard to ignore.
"Even for those who didn't enjoy the campaign" Proceeds to show Master Chief vs Locke I love this channel thanks for inviting the Discord Server! It was loads of fun!
This man puts a lot of time and research into compliling a very indepth video beyond anything I've seen any other channel talk about and actually taught me things I didn't know about the franchise. I just want to say thank you. Thank you for your effort and continuation of these videos.
Halo 5 has a very underrated Forge, I never get tired of the different and fun maps to play on Edit: Bank Heist and save the universe are the best you can’t change my mind.
@@yoyo21926 it’s a forge game mode on halo 5 there are a bunch of versions, it’s basically infection but the survivors run through a maze of sort using weapons and vehicles opening doors
I wouldn't say underrated. I would say it's the best forge, but because the control scheme was so damn different than all the other forges it wasn't as user friendly. So not as many people worked on it. Plus Halo 5 in general had a lower player base in the later years compared to it's previous games
Halo 5's forge is categorically the best so far. People who like the older forges more often then not didn't take the time to learn Halo 5's forge and if they did and still went back I would wager their reasoning is something along the lines of nostalgia.
@Phillip hanna I can see the issue with 5's controls and lack of premade bases and stuff. I've heard that 343 is going to try to bring all the improvements of 5's Forge while making it easier to understand for Infinite. I certainly wouldn't mind if there was an "advanced mode" for people who want far more control than the standard controls offer.
While I agree that 5's was objectively more advanced, there's more to be had in simplicity. I love seeing the cool things people make in 5, but I absolutely cannot wrap my mind around it to do it myself. While in 3 and Reach, the culture and simplicity of it made it universally appealing. Doing more will always have its drawbacks, but that more is also something important for innovation. Spent so many hours in 3 and Reach's forges doing absolutely anything BUT map making
@@armstronggaming8566 or reach was the true Jumpstart to the creativity that forge offered? It's not that it's better in the technical sense but the fact that it has such an influence on the forges to follow
@@hiimzucky7089 you could also technically say that about 3's forge too, since that was the original one that people used for stuff At this point, it's 5's turn to be what inspires people to build off what they achieved in that game, and use that skill and knowledge in infinite (not the best wording, but I assume you understand)
I feel like it's worth mentioning that H2A's Forge got rid of the budget and replaced it with an object count. In previous titles, certain objects would consume more of the budget than others. This could sometimes make it harder to create larger scale maps. But in H2A each object is just worth 1 on the object count. It's a small change that goes a long way. Also I hope for Halo Infinite they bring back pre-made objects and structures. Having a large selection of primitives is great, but also having those pre-made objects makes the system much easier to learn and get a hold of.
Thank you so much for allowing your Discord members to participate in the video footage; I am always impressed by the quality and editing of your videos (a trend that this video continues), so having to be a small part of that whole process added another personal level of enjoyment while watching!
This makes me super hyped for infinite’s forge. I really wish they give 2 separate control layouts. Like one with the simplistic reach controls and the other with more complex ones. Both could forge side by side but one would be more for casual players / beginner forgers
@@argo9721 why would you need 2 forges? If you have 2 controller schemes you can use the same one at the same time just with different levels of intricate control
This content is really underrated which, I think, is due to something I've dubbed the "Tik Tok effect". The Tik Tok effect has conditioned people to watch shorter videos, to have the quick spikes of dopamine. The short-format videos in which Tik Tok possesses are a perfect thirst-quencher for this type of reaction. However, essay videos such as SameToken's are long-format which doesn't satisfy most users. Most people get bored of it, unfortunately. I'm not asking SameToken to change his ways, I'm merely analyzing why he is underrated. His videos are the most in-depth Halo videos I have ever seen. They are the most well-put-together, well-structured videos I have ever seen, not to mention his voice fitting his style perfectly. Please, keep doing what you're doing!
I never understood why so many people use tiktok I mean there is a reason vine failed. I tried to toke but kept getting pissed off at having to scroll thru dozens to hundreds of garbage or copy cat videos just to get a 20 to 30 second video that barely can be counted as decent content. Wish youtube would get rid of thos videos in my recommendation I almost never watch them.
True, halo 5’s forge is absolutely WONDERFUL, especially when you incorporate scripting. People who complain that it’s “too hard” just didn’t take the the time to learn, and were probably just grid flippers back in the day.
The level of quality of H5 forge maps is leagues higher than those from any other title. The object variety, the detail, the ability to place and move objects precisely, and everything else has led to maps that completely blow past forge maps out of the water. Whether you like playing H5 multiplayer or not, these maps are the best in the franchise. It is more difficult to learn Halo 5's forge controls, but the payoff has been substantial when you look at what has been created using it. I appreciate that people had fun messing around in the old forges, but this tool is an editor first and foremost. Its purpose is to create fantastic content to be played in custom games and even matchmaking for the best of the best. Forge World was a fun canvas to run around in and add things on top of, but if you're looking to make a serious map a blank canvas with extensive tools and objects is what works best. And there are still other canvases in H5, Alpine and Glacier both provide some interesting terrain to work off of if you want a starting point. The transformation of Forge from a toy to play with to a tool to design with is just the mode fulfilling its intended purpose better and better over time.
That’s a fair point, but also I think Reach’s forge was just such a great balance of both modes. If you knew what you were doing, it was a very powerful tool, but it was also fun to just pick up and play with friends to have a good time with, as Sam mentions. I think Halo 5’s forge would be better if it had two split controller modes; being able to toggle between simple and complex controls, so that pros could still make the good stuff, or you could still just jump in to have fun.
Bro H5 maps look like roblox. Idk how anyone can say the quality is higher than *ANY* other title, ESPECIALLY when you go on to specify "The object variety, the detail." I mean, if you stand by your stance I respect that but I just can't see where you're coming from, and I've seen this argument in other places too. I just don't get it.
@@robertogonzalez1907 most people are just too lazy to learn them, unfortunately. I picked up the controls quickly and love the new controls. H5 forge is by far the best. :)
Halo 5’s forge controls are incredibly easy to use. 343’s mistake was the layout of that control hint menu at the side of the screen. Nearly turned me off to the whole thing. Then I actually tried it and it was honestly very intuitive.
I'm almost half way through this video, and I just gotta say, this is one of the most beautifully edited Halo retrospectives I've seen. The cuts, the music, the camera work; well friggen done! (it's very relaxing to watch too, if that makes sense). Also, I love that it's not just the history of the Forge iterations, but the depth you go into for how the community exploited the systems to make the maps and modes they did back then. I myself only recently got back into Halo Reach's Custom Browser on MCC and am STILL being blown away (or just confused how they did it) by what people are doing in Forge today (ie: mini Falcon spawns, weapon shops, giant players, prop hunt mode, base buying, NPC Spartans and Elites on the map).
The Halo 3 forge experience is so nostalgic. I remember how frustrated I was trying to make my own maps, lol. Getting a full Party Chat filled with friends of friends and playing the popular Halo 3 forge maps like Michael Jackson, Halo on Halo, Jenga, Bull Run, etc etc in 2007 and onward was brilliant. I am so thankful for the Halo 3 community back during its release. I made many friends playing Halo 3 online on a 3-Way split screen with my cousins during the summer or on Xbox Live with everyone after school
20:38 the MCC also led to "mods" that involved outer programs for forge manipulation, for example, the Mjolnir Forge Editor for reach's forge world, wich allows the usage of blender for making maps, including it's many array and generation tools, without counting on the budget. --it has an undo action
Combining the age bracket of this fanbase, and the average age bracket of reach itself. I think reach is where forge took off super well because of two things. 1. The player base was huge, and was engaged. 2. Reach was I think the first forge where things really seemed.... Not necessarily "refined" but complete. With those two it sparked the incredible forge community that we all loved so much. My opinion at least.
He may not get as much views as others but he still dedicates himself to making lengthy, educational, some of the best videos I've watched. I can't wait for what halo infinite offer!!
Nice video! In Infinite, I think everyone wants a custom game browser and a possibility to host dedicated servers where the host could be observing, and maps could be put in map rotation.
Honestly, they all just got better and better yet the amount of innovation was different throughout. Also some of the maps may have been a bummer to some while exciting to others.
I absolutely loved this video. I love forge and im so glad you made this video and seeing the transitions that we grew up in brought back memories! Also lobe seeing others maps and those were some damn good ones.
Seeing how far forge has come since my time in Halo 3 makes me so incredibly happy! I'm glad that it has grown so much and that people still love to use it to create incredible masterpieces. This is why I love Halo and I hope to see it continued in Halo Infinite.
Halo Reach did have a rated forge map/image/gametype lookup feature, it was Halo 4 that was really disappointing and did not have a view top maps/modes feature for a very long time. Besides addressing it as if Halo 5 was the first to do something like that, I thoroughly enjoyed the tone and nostalgia trip you created for us :) Edit: I believe even Halo 3 had a creators top recommended tab for forge maps as well.
Halo Infinite needs to fix Five’s bugs and add in AI enemy spawns. It should also implement a less daunting looking control scheme layout. And I say “daunting looking” because the controls are actually very easy to use after messing with them for like an hour, but the way they are displayed on the screen looks intimidating.
Some of the best maps I ever made was on halo 3 and reach. Idk how many hours I would spend making custom maps for halo parties back then lol I miss those days
I really hope Infinite's forge brings back the easy to use controls and system of Reach and 4's forge while still having a ton of options and features like 5's.
Aw yissss new video. I love your videos man. Brings back memories of great people guiding me back in the days. I was just a 12/13 yr old Korean kid with a squeaky voice and lack of english speaking abilities. But that didnt stop the countless westerners from helping me overcome those issues and personal issues. I loved all of my friends (they were in their 20s) online back then. Never once did they say anything negative (unless its banter) and fully supported me. My english, self consciousness, and social anxieties were improving immensely. To all my potential friends seeing this, i love you all and i owe you a life time of thanks for helping me :) (My id was mr123korea)
I was 10 when reach came out, and even as a child forge mode was just so easy to use and fun to use, me and my friends would spend days making the perfect map so we could get all our friends on it to mess around for a night. I honestly say I remember having those memories with 3 (granted I was 8) or the latter games
[EDIT] Amazing video, btw AI would be a great inclusion in Infinite. My favourite Forge creations where Halo 5's adventure maps, which would drop you into a campaign level-of-sorts (such as an abandoned lab) and you had to find your way through the various scenarios by solving puzzles and interacting with both obvious and obscure objects in the environment. There were some really cool atmospheric ones with immersive environmental storytelling. Obstacle course maps were also awesome, enhanced by Halo 5's Spartan Abilities, which you had to sometimes use with great precision to overcome a specific part. Loved those.
Halo Reach was my all time favourite halo game, and it's forge I'd say was probably the best due to the simplicity but also the quality of life improvements such as Phasing and stuff, I remember first watching the reveal and I was so excited about Forge World. On the subject on what I'd love for Halo Infinite Forge, AI placement. I feel being able to place various different AI like Spartans, Elites, Grunts, basically any type of enemy or ally in the game would be good, imagine Team Based Custom Games with AI team mates assisting you, or even something on a similar scale go an actual campaign mission (minus the dialogue or cutscenes) made in forge. This I feel would make forge one of the most evolved and best features in Halo as a whole.
I just recently got done with the two-month build in Forge recreating my room like it's a little action figure War it is so amazing what forage is turn into
The grid really could entertain my brother and I for hours especially after a long day of school. We would fling Objects and each other across the map non stop until dinner
Ah man I remember being a kid and making tons of custom games and playing a whole of of different games with all my friends on Halo 3 on the xbox 360, Miss those times where it was a bit more simpler than the world is now. Had a lot of fun laughing and playing custom games and building wacky structures. :) Man, it was a good time, Now I hope my kid can have just as much fun as I used too.
I didn't stick with 4 or 5 very long. I think 5's forge came out after I already left the game, so I never got to try it. I vaguely remember hearing this was a thing, but having learned 3D animation software, I would love if Infinite had a dedicated mouse and keyboard-supported app for forging on PC, with object grouping and duplication like 5's, and scripting from software UI. Something like Blender or Maya but with a little bit of built-in, in-game coding for interactivity. Making a curve that acts as a path for a phantom or pelican to fly along, and even AI Spartans or Covenant with nodes that determine where they wander around the playspace, like in Halo Custom Edition's tools.
i remember on xbox 360, where i build a training area for new recruits for our clan, wich started of with a troll. a straight sprint where mines would spawn randomly along the course... after that, parkour climbing on the tiniest items and the hardest jumps, (i made sure they where possible) we trained alot of players with parkouring with my map!
I feel like one other thing that couldve been mentioned wit H5's forge was the weapon pad glitch that the forge team left in, where it swapped weapon properties and allowed for wild, out of this world weapons for custom games
Man I remember playing Halo Reach forge mode with friends we made a game we called banshee baseball. We used the grid and spin it around to use as a bat while one of used a banshee to fly into to see who could get out of the world boarder first. Those were the good old days.
I would love to have the option(in like the settings) to change for haveing complex controls and simple control controls, and I love halo reach's forge
1000th like baby! Lol But seriously, this video has rekindled my passion for forge and makes me excited for the ever changing experience that is forge and the forging community. :)
Second video I watched of you and I’m enjoying the content! The first vid was like 11 months ago about plasma lol. Congrats on finishing up University too! (Hopefully idk lmao)
I would say the main reason why I prefer reach's forge over 5's is that fact it was more of a playground. Forge world required you to be creative and envisioning what could be. While 5 is the blank slate. Both have their benifits. It's just how I go about in creating.
Halo 5's forge mode alone is why I wish it'd come to MCC. And I know there's a separate Forge mode application on Windows 10. Since I don't feel like buying the game on Xbox or downloading that standalone app, I have yet to try 5's forge mode out yet. But it looks awesome!
The original Forge program actually made a pair program called Anvil that was used to change physics shapes and sounds and was used together with Forge in marathon.
Halo Infinite's Forge just needs to have 2 modes: Classic Mode: controls are just like Halo 3/Reach, with same menu system and actual control of movement in forge mode (keep it where you move around the object, that's nice). If you want any advanced features, you just go into an "advanced" menu. Modern Mode: basically Halo 5's movement and control scheme, with all of the advanced controls, options and menus more readily available. This way, a n00b can hop into forge and have a fun, familiar experience with a short learning curve and can have a blast spawning tanks and quickly moving weapons around in a map, but the pros who want to build fully scripted custom maps can also do their thing.
Forge transcended halo 3 from one of the greatest games of all time too my opinion thee best thing I ever layed my eyes on I remember the first time I played on a mansion on foundry and realized that forge isn’t just for crushing friends with objects but making whole new maps basically with the custom games some of my best memories not just in games but I’m my life we’re halo 3 customs fat kid is my favorite and fast zombies on sandtrap is close behind
Omg halo reach all day I miss the one where u run up the huge ramp and all the stuff starts rolling down and the death run one where there was a platform with a group of snipers trying to stop you from reaching the end.
Thanks for watching! Little addition to the video: Halo Reach and 4 had File Browsers before Halo 5. Check it out here: th-cam.com/video/2U017P0Z7T4/w-d-xo.html
Man the pinned comment only has 6 likes
Surprised you missed out Eldewrito/Halo Online, as the forge in that was one of the best.
Would love to see what u think about how a halo battle royale mode would work all the elements are there the vehicles , many different guns , the map can take parts from all halos to make a giant halo map or halo ring ,
I love that you mentioned the Farcry editor! Only reason I never got into forge was because I wanted to do the things I could in Far cry
Anyone else really liking these longer Halo videos?
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@@jobomba dababy!
Absolutely love them😌👌🏾
I can't get enough of these Halo video essays and in-depth retrospectives. :)
Yes now 6 more please
11:00 beautiful transition
I was going to comment the same thing
That was awesome
Yeh that was hot
If 343 really wanted to make everyone happy, they could add a toggle that switches you from simple to complex forge types
This would definitely be ideal, and it's doable! Timesplitters was shown in this video - fitting, as the mapmaker you can use in that series also had a toggle for just that that simplified the controls a lot for a newbie map editor.
This was a beautiful journey. I hope infinite will only improve Forge and revitalize it!
Yee the Macy man is here.
yeahhhh about that
It damn well better, being delayed.
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Typical Saturday night with each Halo:
Halo 3: trying to flip mammoths
Halo 4: building giant bases and angering friends by repeatedly baking lights
H2A: making a maze of doors
Halo 5: building weird and wacky vehicles by welding a bunch of random objects to a mongoose
Halo Reach: haha grid go weeeeee
In halo Reach my friend and I do this really dumb thing called "trash compacter": we get as many vehicles as possible on the tall island and then we crush them with the grid. Extremely satisfying.
@@RoachCutscenes I did something similar, but with grab lifts that would launch a kill ball into a box of vehicles that were set to the lowest spawn timer. We tried so hard to break the game in weird ways and it was so fun.
exactly how i experienced every halo.
@@RoachCutscenes I would set vehicles to spawn every second after destroyed and just spin a grid where they spawned. It was so fun at the time
I couldn't have been the only one who changed the grid from phased to normal physics inside the central mountain and made everyone's Xbox scream 😂
forge has been a staple to halo, the ability to run wild and do whatever the hell you want is a shining example of why halo is so damn good
That freedom of choice also flows well even with the campaign
I love how Bungie applied all of their forge expertise to Destiny. Oh, wait...
Considering how much less is in a destiny map that a halo map forge would just be a custom map maker. It would be cool but it understandable why they haven’t implemented it
Why would there be a Forge mode in Destiny?
@@gbguthrie2530 any game can benefit from custom maps and modes
Forge mode would potentially be some serious fun in Destiny.
Halo 5's Forge was near perfection. White Cell is still one of my favourite 4v4 or FFA maps
Everything feels plastic and fake in halo 5, I prefer halo reach because even though there isn’t much detail, it feels like you can make everything you want. (Halo 5 is TOO detailed for me)
@@nursemeh looks don't mean anything to inpact the gameplay for me, but i see what ur getting at
@@nursemeh so you don't like something because you can do more in it?
@@luiiibilll00 No, I didn’t state that, I meant that you can’t place any buildings or actual structures in halo-5 and I like Reach (especially on MCC) more
@@nursemeh you can make prefabs in a halo 5 that look better than any of the ones on reach
Reach forge was I think was the best balance of being a toy and a tool. The new forge is incredibly powerful and amazing but it’s so technical and it’s not as easy to just slap things together and have fun. It was so fun just to hop into forge and just throw stuff around for fun and make dumb maps. Great video loved it 👍🏼
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My man, halo 5 had the best forge hands down. Reach's forge will always have a special place in my heart but the amount of editing power in 5 is just too hard to ignore.
Halo 5 had more tools to use but the best modes that were the most fun came from reach
nope Reach is better because of everything that was made with it halo 5 i have zero happy memories with forge
"Even for those who didn't enjoy the campaign"
Proceeds to show Master Chief vs Locke
I love this channel
thanks for inviting the Discord Server! It was loads of fun!
That hog transition from CE to 3 is just damn perfect
2:53 for the people wondering
10:58 is better
This man puts a lot of time and research into compliling a very indepth video beyond anything I've seen any other channel talk about and actually taught me things I didn't know about the franchise. I just want to say thank you. Thank you for your effort and continuation of these videos.
Halo 5 has a very underrated Forge, I never get tired of the different and fun maps to play on
Edit: Bank Heist and save the universe are the best you can’t change my mind.
whatss save the universe?
@@yoyo21926 it’s a forge game mode on halo 5 there are a bunch of versions, it’s basically infection but the survivors run through a maze of sort using weapons and vehicles opening doors
@@jimthompson5844 like Get Out Of My House, it was a classic on Reach
I wouldn't say underrated. I would say it's the best forge, but because the control scheme was so damn different than all the other forges it wasn't as user friendly. So not as many people worked on it. Plus Halo 5 in general had a lower player base in the later years compared to it's previous games
Halo 5's forge was confusing as hell and generally really annoying to use, I can't wait to experience the halo reach customs browser
Halo 5's forge is categorically the best so far. People who like the older forges more often then not didn't take the time to learn Halo 5's forge and if they did and still went back I would wager their reasoning is something along the lines of nostalgia.
Halo reach had the best custom games and forge world, i cant speak for halo 5 never played it
@@ReachTea yes, i agree halo 5 forge sucks, they ruinned forge with their shitty and unnecessary mechanics.
@@llamadasinrespuesta4631 hell no lol
@Phillip hanna I can see the issue with 5's controls and lack of premade bases and stuff. I've heard that 343 is going to try to bring all the improvements of 5's Forge while making it easier to understand for Infinite. I certainly wouldn't mind if there was an "advanced mode" for people who want far more control than the standard controls offer.
@@ReachTea I doubt Infinite will feel like that.
Interesting poll results. I like Reach's Forge too, but Halo 5 is objectively a better Forge with what you can do.
I think people just didn't want to like 5 in any capacity.
While I agree that 5's was objectively more advanced, there's more to be had in simplicity. I love seeing the cool things people make in 5, but I absolutely cannot wrap my mind around it to do it myself. While in 3 and Reach, the culture and simplicity of it made it universally appealing.
Doing more will always have its drawbacks, but that more is also something important for innovation. Spent so many hours in 3 and Reach's forges doing absolutely anything BUT map making
@@armstronggaming8566 or reach was the true Jumpstart to the creativity that forge offered? It's not that it's better in the technical sense but the fact that it has such an influence on the forges to follow
@@hiimzucky7089 you could also technically say that about 3's forge too, since that was the original one that people used for stuff
At this point, it's 5's turn to be what inspires people to build off what they achieved in that game, and use that skill and knowledge in infinite (not the best wording, but I assume you understand)
Halo 5’s forge was revolutionary for halo I can’t wait to see what halo infinite does
I feel like it's worth mentioning that H2A's Forge got rid of the budget and replaced it with an object count. In previous titles, certain objects would consume more of the budget than others. This could sometimes make it harder to create larger scale maps. But in H2A each object is just worth 1 on the object count. It's a small change that goes a long way.
Also I hope for Halo Infinite they bring back pre-made objects and structures. Having a large selection of primitives is great, but also having those pre-made objects makes the system much easier to learn and get a hold of.
Thank you so much for allowing your Discord members to participate in the video footage; I am always impressed by the quality and editing of your videos (a trend that this video continues), so having to be a small part of that whole process added another personal level of enjoyment while watching!
Really glad you enjoyed, thanks again for coming along!
Most of my hours in halo 5 were in custom games and warzone.
Something not many people would understand
I've almost certainly spent more time in Halo 5's Forge mode than I have in actual Multiplayer.
This makes me super hyped for infinite’s forge. I really wish they give 2 separate control layouts. Like one with the simplistic reach controls and the other with more complex ones. Both could forge side by side but one would be more for casual players / beginner forgers
Well at that point I would argue just make 2 different forges
@@argo9721 why would you need 2 forges? If you have 2 controller schemes you can use the same one at the same time just with different levels of intricate control
@@thorin845 forge modes I should say
Exactly! Kinda like how there's a button that enables precision mode.
these kinds of videos really bring light, as well as childhood memories. thank you for making this timeline!
This content is really underrated which, I think, is due to something I've dubbed the "Tik Tok effect". The Tik Tok effect has conditioned people to watch shorter videos, to have the quick spikes of dopamine. The short-format videos in which Tik Tok possesses are a perfect thirst-quencher for this type of reaction. However, essay videos such as SameToken's are long-format which doesn't satisfy most users. Most people get bored of it, unfortunately. I'm not asking SameToken to change his ways, I'm merely analyzing why he is underrated. His videos are the most in-depth Halo videos I have ever seen. They are the most well-put-together, well-structured videos I have ever seen, not to mention his voice fitting his style perfectly. Please, keep doing what you're doing!
I agree with the premise, but I'd argue that this had been the case long before Tik-Tok showed up.
@@kannos9762 it started with vine.
I never understood why so many people use tiktok I mean there is a reason vine failed. I tried to toke but kept getting pissed off at having to scroll thru dozens to hundreds of garbage or copy cat videos just to get a 20 to 30 second video that barely can be counted as decent content. Wish youtube would get rid of thos videos in my recommendation I almost never watch them.
@@halogeek6 Tik Tok as every Social Media is poision.
Ayy I remember those customs matches like they were yesterday... when in fact they were only about a week ago
"you see this grid" brought back the most memories
Halo 5 is the best forge out there because of how much you can do with it and how much there is. It’s easy to use and hard to master.
Halo 5s forge is the best, there's just so many options and features to use.
True, halo 5’s forge is absolutely WONDERFUL, especially when you incorporate scripting. People who complain that it’s “too hard” just didn’t take the the time to learn, and were probably just grid flippers back in the day.
The level of quality of H5 forge maps is leagues higher than those from any other title. The object variety, the detail, the ability to place and move objects precisely, and everything else has led to maps that completely blow past forge maps out of the water. Whether you like playing H5 multiplayer or not, these maps are the best in the franchise.
It is more difficult to learn Halo 5's forge controls, but the payoff has been substantial when you look at what has been created using it. I appreciate that people had fun messing around in the old forges, but this tool is an editor first and foremost. Its purpose is to create fantastic content to be played in custom games and even matchmaking for the best of the best. Forge World was a fun canvas to run around in and add things on top of, but if you're looking to make a serious map a blank canvas with extensive tools and objects is what works best. And there are still other canvases in H5, Alpine and Glacier both provide some interesting terrain to work off of if you want a starting point. The transformation of Forge from a toy to play with to a tool to design with is just the mode fulfilling its intended purpose better and better over time.
That’s a fair point, but also I think Reach’s forge was just such a great balance of both modes. If you knew what you were doing, it was a very powerful tool, but it was also fun to just pick up and play with friends to have a good time with, as Sam mentions.
I think Halo 5’s forge would be better if it had two split controller modes; being able to toggle between simple and complex controls, so that pros could still make the good stuff, or you could still just jump in to have fun.
Bro H5 maps look like roblox. Idk how anyone can say the quality is higher than *ANY* other title, ESPECIALLY when you go on to specify "The object variety, the detail." I mean, if you stand by your stance I respect that but I just can't see where you're coming from, and I've seen this argument in other places too. I just don't get it.
Halo 5 forge: “we’re evolving”
Control scheme: “just backwards”
Same
No. It is definitely easier to use once you LEARN the controls.
@@robertogonzalez1907 most people are just too lazy to learn them, unfortunately. I picked up the controls quickly and love the new controls. H5 forge is by far the best. :)
I mean it makes sense once you learn it.
Halo 5’s forge controls are incredibly easy to use. 343’s mistake was the layout of that control hint menu at the side of the screen. Nearly turned me off to the whole thing. Then I actually tried it and it was honestly very intuitive.
There's some really sick editing in this video
I'm almost half way through this video, and I just gotta say, this is one of the most beautifully edited Halo retrospectives I've seen. The cuts, the music, the camera work; well friggen done! (it's very relaxing to watch too, if that makes sense). Also, I love that it's not just the history of the Forge iterations, but the depth you go into for how the community exploited the systems to make the maps and modes they did back then. I myself only recently got back into Halo Reach's Custom Browser on MCC and am STILL being blown away (or just confused how they did it) by what people are doing in Forge today (ie: mini Falcon spawns, weapon shops, giant players, prop hunt mode, base buying, NPC Spartans and Elites on the map).
11:00 Sick Transition!
The Halo 3 forge experience is so nostalgic. I remember how frustrated I was trying to make my own maps, lol. Getting a full Party Chat filled with friends of friends and playing the popular Halo 3 forge maps like Michael Jackson, Halo on Halo, Jenga, Bull Run, etc etc in 2007 and onward was brilliant. I am so thankful for the Halo 3 community back during its release. I made many friends playing Halo 3 online on a 3-Way split screen with my cousins during the summer or on Xbox Live with everyone after school
20:38 the MCC also led to "mods" that involved outer programs for forge manipulation, for example, the Mjolnir Forge Editor for reach's forge world, wich allows the usage of blender for making maps, including it's many array and generation tools, without counting on the budget.
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Bro your channel is so underrated! Thank you for all the hard work you put into these videos!
This is another awesome video!! I keep watching these videos because of the care and detail that give each one!! Keep up the good work
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This video feels like a professional documentary and i love it
Combining the age bracket of this fanbase, and the average age bracket of reach itself. I think reach is where forge took off super well because of two things.
1. The player base was huge, and was engaged.
2. Reach was I think the first forge where things really seemed.... Not necessarily "refined" but complete.
With those two it sparked the incredible forge community that we all loved so much.
My opinion at least.
The Halo 3 and Halo Reach map nostalgia is so strong. Basically my whole childhood spent playing with random people on random maps. I miss it
He may not get as much views as others but he still dedicates himself to making lengthy, educational, some of the best videos I've watched. I can't wait for what halo infinite offer!!
There's no better forge than Halo 5. If you say something else you are crazy person lmao. But it's fine if reach was your favorite one of course!
Nice video!
In Infinite, I think everyone wants a custom game browser and a possibility to host dedicated servers where the host could be observing, and maps could be put in map rotation.
I've never been much of a Halo fan yet I find Forge fascinating.
I was glad to be a part of this! Great video! :) (25:02)
Thanks again for coming along!
This feels like a literal documentary I absolutely love it
Honestly, they all just got better and better yet the amount of innovation was different throughout. Also some of the maps may have been a bummer to some while exciting to others.
I absolutely loved this video. I love forge and im so glad you made this video and seeing the transitions that we grew up in brought back memories! Also lobe seeing others maps and those were some damn good ones.
I love the transition between Foundry and Sandbox. Great job.
"see this grid? yep, hours of amusement."
bruh, i felt that moment.
Seeing how far forge has come since my time in Halo 3 makes me so incredibly happy! I'm glad that it has grown so much and that people still love to use it to create incredible masterpieces. This is why I love Halo and I hope to see it continued in Halo Infinite.
something about the older forge modes and players pushing those simple controls to their absolute limit will always be special to me
Halo Reach did have a rated forge map/image/gametype lookup feature, it was Halo 4 that was really disappointing and did not have a view top maps/modes feature for a very long time. Besides addressing it as if Halo 5 was the first to do something like that, I thoroughly enjoyed the tone and nostalgia trip you created for us :)
Edit: I believe even Halo 3 had a creators top recommended tab for forge maps as well.
Ah thanks for the corrections! I've created this little update video linked in a pinned comment: th-cam.com/video/2U017P0Z7T4/w-d-xo.html
This video was so well done
Great video mate
Halo Infinite needs to fix Five’s bugs and add in AI enemy spawns. It should also implement a less daunting looking control scheme layout. And I say “daunting looking” because the controls are actually very easy to use after messing with them for like an hour, but the way they are displayed on the screen looks intimidating.
A.I. is fat yes. As for bug fixes, I hope they add some cool h5 bugs as features (custom weapon pad weapons, anyone?)
The Forge mode of Halo 4 is underrated.
Only thing I hate is the monitor's annoying noise in Halo 4.
@@SockyNoob :v
Jenga and monster trucks takes me back man. Thanks for making this.
Some of the best maps I ever made was on halo 3 and reach. Idk how many hours I would spend making custom maps for halo parties back then lol I miss those days
I remember being addicted to all those videos of people making amazing catch mechanisms that i would just be fascinated by!
I really hope Infinite's forge brings back the easy to use controls and system of Reach and 4's forge while still having a ton of options and features like 5's.
Aw yissss new video.
I love your videos man. Brings back memories of great people guiding me back in the days.
I was just a 12/13 yr old Korean kid with a squeaky voice and lack of english speaking abilities. But that didnt stop the countless westerners from helping me overcome those issues and personal issues. I loved all of my friends (they were in their 20s) online back then. Never once did they say anything negative (unless its banter) and fully supported me. My english, self consciousness, and social anxieties were improving immensely. To all my potential friends seeing this, i love you all and i owe you a life time of thanks for helping me :)
(My id was mr123korea)
I was 10 when reach came out, and even as a child forge mode was just so easy to use and fun to use, me and my friends would spend days making the perfect map so we could get all our friends on it to mess around for a night. I honestly say I remember having those memories with 3 (granted I was 8) or the latter games
[EDIT] Amazing video, btw
AI would be a great inclusion in Infinite.
My favourite Forge creations where Halo 5's adventure maps, which would drop you into a campaign level-of-sorts (such as an abandoned lab) and you had to find your way through the various scenarios by solving puzzles and interacting with both obvious and obscure objects in the environment. There were some really cool atmospheric ones with immersive environmental storytelling.
Obstacle course maps were also awesome, enhanced by Halo 5's Spartan Abilities, which you had to sometimes use with great precision to overcome a specific part. Loved those.
Halo Reach was my all time favourite halo game, and it's forge I'd say was probably the best due to the simplicity but also the quality of life improvements such as Phasing and stuff, I remember first watching the reveal and I was so excited about Forge World.
On the subject on what I'd love for Halo Infinite Forge, AI placement. I feel being able to place various different AI like Spartans, Elites, Grunts, basically any type of enemy or ally in the game would be good, imagine Team Based Custom Games with AI team mates assisting you, or even something on a similar scale go an actual campaign mission (minus the dialogue or cutscenes) made in forge. This I feel would make forge one of the most evolved and best features in Halo as a whole.
I just recently got done with the two-month build in Forge recreating my room like it's a little action figure War it is so amazing what forage is turn into
The grid really could entertain my brother and I for hours especially after a long day of school. We would fling Objects and each other across the map non stop until dinner
Ah man I remember being a kid and making tons of custom games and playing a whole of of different games with all my friends on Halo 3 on the xbox 360, Miss those times where it was a bit more simpler than the world is now. Had a lot of fun laughing and playing custom games and building wacky structures. :) Man, it was a good time, Now I hope my kid can have just as much fun as I used too.
The foundry and sandbox transition was so smooth
I didn't stick with 4 or 5 very long. I think 5's forge came out after I already left the game, so I never got to try it. I vaguely remember hearing this was a thing, but having learned 3D animation software, I would love if Infinite had a dedicated mouse and keyboard-supported app for forging on PC, with object grouping and duplication like 5's, and scripting from software UI. Something like Blender or Maya but with a little bit of built-in, in-game coding for interactivity. Making a curve that acts as a path for a phantom or pelican to fly along, and even AI Spartans or Covenant with nodes that determine where they wander around the playspace, like in Halo Custom Edition's tools.
i remember on xbox 360, where i build a training area for new recruits for our clan, wich started of with a troll. a straight sprint where mines would spawn randomly along the course...
after that, parkour climbing on the tiniest items and the hardest jumps, (i made sure they where possible) we trained alot of players with parkouring with my map!
This is what I missed in my childhood. So I’m glad I have the chance to fulfill it.
My favourite halo memories have always been messing around in split screen forge world on reach with mates and spawning tanks on top of them
I feel like one other thing that couldve been mentioned wit H5's forge was the weapon pad glitch that the forge team left in, where it swapped weapon properties and allowed for wild, out of this world weapons for custom games
Always nice seeing you posted
Man I remember playing Halo Reach forge mode with friends we made a game we called banshee baseball. We used the grid and spin it around to use as a bat while one of used a banshee to fly into to see who could get out of the world boarder first. Those were the good old days.
i had more fun on halo 5 forge than any other halo, but the nostalgia of halo reach always gets me
@Phillip hanna halo 5 has a canvas as much as level builder
You can choose what you want you know that right
I would love to have the option(in like the settings) to change for haveing complex controls and simple control controls, and I love halo reach's forge
1000th like baby! Lol
But seriously, this video has rekindled my passion for forge and makes me excited for the ever changing experience that is forge and the forging community. :)
Second video I watched of you and I’m enjoying the content! The first vid was like 11 months ago about plasma lol. Congrats on finishing up University too! (Hopefully idk lmao)
I would say the main reason why I prefer reach's forge over 5's is that fact it was more of a playground. Forge world required you to be creative and envisioning what could be. While 5 is the blank slate. Both have their benifits. It's just how I go about in creating.
Halo 5's forge mode alone is why I wish it'd come to MCC. And I know there's a separate Forge mode application on Windows 10. Since I don't feel like buying the game on Xbox or downloading that standalone app, I have yet to try 5's forge mode out yet. But it looks awesome!
Awesome video. I'd like to say I'm a forger myself, and I really enjoyed this.
That transition from Foundry to Sandbox was great
Talking about the Halo Custom Edition tool and map editor at about the 2:20 mark
Little did he realize that this was the birthplace of Cursed Halo
11:00 okay that transition was pretty sweet.
Awesome video, I thought that forge was really complex, but after this I might give it a try.
Dude said "Jenga" and showed a video from the best part of my life.
These longer halo videos give me life
SameToken: Creates million viewer worthy content
TH-cam: ehhhh. Monke
The original Forge program actually made a pair program called Anvil that was used to change physics shapes and sounds and was used together with Forge in marathon.
I'm just so happy that I have to wait 9 months for forge in Halo Infinite!!!
You posted this video on my birthday, also I like your voice
This video is so good, makes it hurt even worse we're not getting infinite forge till 6 months after launch...
Halo Infinite's Forge just needs to have 2 modes:
Classic Mode: controls are just like Halo 3/Reach, with same menu system and actual control of movement in forge mode (keep it where you move around the object, that's nice). If you want any advanced features, you just go into an "advanced" menu.
Modern Mode: basically Halo 5's movement and control scheme, with all of the advanced controls, options and menus more readily available.
This way, a n00b can hop into forge and have a fun, familiar experience with a short learning curve and can have a blast spawning tanks and quickly moving weapons around in a map, but the pros who want to build fully scripted custom maps can also do their thing.
Forge transcended halo 3 from one of the greatest games of all time too my opinion thee best thing I ever layed my eyes on I remember the first time I played on a mansion on foundry and realized that forge isn’t just for crushing friends with objects but making whole new maps basically with the custom games some of my best memories not just in games but I’m my life we’re halo 3 customs fat kid is my favorite and fast zombies on sandtrap is close behind
that transition at 11:00 was CLEAN.
Came back to watch this after halo infinite started actually giving forge campaign ai
Halo 5 Forge and Warzone is the only think about halo 5 that i like. Halo 5 was the best forge
Omg halo reach all day I miss the one where u run up the huge ramp and all the stuff starts rolling down and the death run one where there was a platform with a group of snipers trying to stop you from reaching the end.