I think the best dialogue should've been kept in the video, "This ship is huge." "Yes." "Huge." "Yes, is there a question?" "Why such a huge ship?" "It doesn't matter, we must remain focused." Then later we find out the truth. "I need my space!" XD
I wouldn't be so sure... seems like they have further plans for Vaylin. I was surprised to hear about it from the dataminers, but a good long look at the cutscenes and letters made it clear that the devs are doing their best to foreshadow it. Then again, I'm wondering whether Vaylin beeing this confrontational means it's about bringing her back as an anemy rather than for a redemption arc. Same thing as with Theron's 'betrayal': you look at how much he's squirming during the first cutscenes of Iokath, and it's clear that the devs were setting it up from the start.
The connective story tissue shaves off a few minutes, and a lot of that content is for Theron and Arcann being dead, alive or romanced, but I see no reason not to get everything while I'm at it. I wish we could replay those later...
Arcann and Senya looking extremely awkward as the Smuggler flirts with Vaylin is pure hilarity And the Smuggler chewing out her BF's mother for being a bad parent is ossum possum lol
18:39, I really love how they referenced the Thesh Protocol: Iconoclasm from Chapter 2 that made the Agent impervious to brainwashing. It's a deep reference at this point, which makes it even nicer to see.
Yep, love that reference too. Honestly, it's the reason I think Agent is the best non-Force class to take through these stories. I can't imagine any of the others being able to resist the Emperor's domination.
@@Mike-if2bc Yeah that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, although the bounty hunter managed to easily resist master Kellian Jarro. The ones who really shouldn't be able to is the smuggler and the sith warrior (even though the warrior is a force user, but at points in their class story they've been easy prey to mental influences, like when Lord Grathan managed to easily read his mind, and on Voss when one of their people toyed with the warrior's mind).
@@kallekallessons Oof, makes me feel silly for having that many alts and so little memory of most of vanilla stories specifics >__> Then again, I only joined a few years after launch and didn't have as much time to marinade in it.
This quest is all around amazing for knights, but I saw people being disappointed in no romance content for Kira and Scourge. Well, safe for one letter each and one reeeeally overt line for Scourge.
I love this mission a lot. It really feels like the finale to the game, and the Old Republic series, ending with the return of as major characters they could get in there, the culmination of your choices, and the defeat of the Eternal Emperor.
Great video, that must have taken some time! I'm especially thankful for the battle shouts during the boss fight, as they are so hard to hear and they don't always trigger. Seeing so clearly how much romance content every other character got (especially Arcann, who usually dies in my playthroughs) made me even more disappointed for not getting anything for Kira and Scourge here (that one line for Scourge doesn't count...:P).
so Satele was supposed to give you instructions, but I guess they didn't figure out how to program that all in, because I never heard her say any of these lines
Or maybe their fight concept changed and they didn't have everything they actually needed, so they decided to cut everything... Too bad too cause I've heard SO many people complaining about having no idea what was going on.
At 20:57 is it a bug that Arcann has his redeemed model when if is supposed to be him from the dark side route? Or did the dev's just forget about his darkside look?
3 questions about the database dialogue for all of them in the final battle: 1) What does Marr say? I didn't catch the first part. 2) Is it me or does Thexan have a blue lightsaber? 3) Did you switch Arcann and Thexan's names? Because IDK it feels swapped, "I'll finish what I started" is more Arcann and "Join me in death" is more Thexan.
Its never really occurred to me before, but is this the first time Meetra Surik's name has been said aloud in game? Before she was just called the Exile.
I see that based on your alignment you can either stand by Scourge or Kira, when Tenebrae attacks. Is there an option for neutral character? Would be interesting to see balanced character to stand by Revan. Seems like a missed opportunity, if there is none.
I didn't check it, but the neutral option was dropped since kotfe (or maybe earlier, back when i wasn't making videos yet). 0 alignment usually means LS.
Revan would have been cool here. My stubbornly neutral Darth Occlus got helped by Scourge, so it might be faction based (got no neutral Republic character to check).
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they only came up with it to bring Scourge and Kira back. Like, the devs didn't find a way to fit them into the Zakuul storyline, but characters THAT important to the Emperor storyline HAD ot have a reason for staying away that long. I love them both so I don't mind.
I'm doing my best :3 (thought I'm not happy with EVERY outfit, aka I still don't have a perfect casual outfit for my trooper and cathar knight, but I update them as new gear getsw released). Ask away if any particular set interests you.
Theron kissed your agent on temple? When I'm pretty sure Theron kissed my male characters on the lips? Are there different animations for female and male romance?
I didn't check but if it's different it's probably due to model sizes being different. The same animations look a bit different on different species too. I have very few male toons, and all of them are in their class-specific relationships, so I can't check myself rn, but other people's videos might help.
Is the female imperial agent voice a bit off .....did they change have to change her ... ? I hope all is well Jennifer was spot on as always... excellent video !!!
I don't have a very good ear for VAs (I didn't notice Hale voicing two characters till I was told so!). All I can say is that they didn't record the voices in the same room, so some characters sound a bit off because of the varying sound quality.
@@morinthshepard6567 I heard that they recorded some of the voice through a phone call or something, that could be it. Or it could just be her voice changing. The same could be said about the male inq's voice.
What quack would decide to romance Arcann, the man who FROZE YOU IN CARBONITE FOR FIVE YEARS AND SPENT THE NEXT TRYING TO SLAUGHTER YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS? Saving him is bad enough, but romancing him? Are you insane? I know you did it for the video, but really? What person in their right mind?
The problem is mostly with his redemption arc not being set up properly, aka the writers didn't give him time to actually deserve it. Like, think about Zuko from The last airbender (that clearly inspired him). He was just as unbearable at the start, but time and good writing turned him into one of the most compelling characters of that story. The devs clearly hoped to achieve the same thing (and the redeemed Arcann is a nice guy for sure) but rushed it, and that's the result. Then again, they seem to listen to the feedback when deciding such things. The fandom went apeshit about not giving Vaylin the redemption arc, and look what they are trying to set up with her in this update...
you know its strange my main character is a sith warrior who i litterly keeps everyone around, when i saw the moment arcann would join the alliance i did not hesitate and let him join cause its fun so. the only one i ever let die is vett (i hate her) cause the more people you have the more options you have
@@abzoluterennix477 Ooh, my main (and also first) sith warrior was supposed to be a LS darling. Then I heard the VA, saw the dialogue flavor and thought "nope, this one will be much better as an evil bastard!" Did a complete 180 and now I'm playing the game of "kill as many people as possible and see whether that EVER comes back to bite me in the ass". At least I have all the other toons who kept eveyone alive.
@@angedenpeacelove_411-00 I would have to assume that Valk was passively shielding the player from Arcann and Vaylin's force-power. They did try and solve the power-scaling issue on Asylum though. Either Arcann beats you fair and square, or Valkorion uses your body like a fuse to beat him. Either way, all 8 classes are on the same page when they reach Odessen. But yes, anything after Rishi is clearly designed for force-users unfortunately. They had to actually get the Imperial Agent writer to come back and do a chapter for KOTFE for this reason.
“ A better future” - jedi grand master Me: “you mean when you slaughter a whole group of people merely because you disagree with them and how you committed genocide against a whole species of people” Oof The Jedi are never the good guys lol.
“Is the entire alliance planning to come along?”
Arcann: “I don’t believe so.”
Arcanns a himbo 😂
I think the best dialogue should've been kept in the video, "This ship is huge." "Yes." "Huge." "Yes, is there a question?" "Why such a huge ship?" "It doesn't matter, we must remain focused." Then later we find out the truth. "I need my space!" XD
True, that was the most memable part of it :)
Best part is hearing the classes otherwise stoic voice really emphasize on "huuuge".
Where is that at? Lol
2:41 Damn, being Kira in that circumstance is suffering
23:39 Well, we now know what the devs think of people thirsting for crazies
I wouldn't be so sure... seems like they have further plans for Vaylin. I was surprised to hear about it from the dataminers, but a good long look at the cutscenes and letters made it clear that the devs are doing their best to foreshadow it. Then again, I'm wondering whether Vaylin beeing this confrontational means it's about bringing her back as an anemy rather than for a redemption arc.
Same thing as with Theron's 'betrayal': you look at how much he's squirming during the first cutscenes of Iokath, and it's clear that the devs were setting it up from the start.
well you know what they say about sticking your ****** in crazy
@@Roksikdid they ever bring her back lol
The fact that this video is almost 40 minutes long makes me so happy. I love seeing the differences in dialogue between the classes in the game.
The connective story tissue shaves off a few minutes, and a lot of that content is for Theron and Arcann being dead, alive or romanced, but I see no reason not to get everything while I'm at it. I wish we could replay those later...
36:40
… From Mandalore the Ultimate, to Taris, to Malak, to the fated meeting with Vitiate…
You finally did it, Revan.
Finally his story ends and he finds his peace
Arcann and Senya looking extremely awkward as the Smuggler flirts with Vaylin is pure hilarity
And the Smuggler chewing out her BF's mother for being a bad parent is ossum possum lol
18:39, I really love how they referenced the Thesh Protocol: Iconoclasm from Chapter 2 that made the Agent impervious to brainwashing.
It's a deep reference at this point, which makes it even nicer to see.
Yep, love that reference too. Honestly, it's the reason I think Agent is the best non-Force class to take through these stories. I can't imagine any of the others being able to resist the Emperor's domination.
@@Mike-if2bc Yeah that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, although the bounty hunter managed to easily resist master Kellian Jarro. The ones who really shouldn't be able to is the smuggler and the sith warrior (even though the warrior is a force user, but at points in their class story they've been easy prey to mental influences, like when Lord Grathan managed to easily read his mind, and on Voss when one of their people toyed with the warrior's mind).
@@kallekallessons Oof, makes me feel silly for having that many alts and so little memory of most of vanilla stories specifics >__>
Then again, I only joined a few years after launch and didn't have as much time to marinade in it.
26:51 ah the subtle clue, I can't believe I missed it. It's going to be fun seeing Vaylin back
YOOO
Did she ever come back?
@@vitiate5093 I haven't kept up with the most recent updates, but I don't think so
truly a bioware moment
Nice to see the Wrath get some personal lines.
Thanks for making these videos!! I always love watching them
The Knight hit the returning love interest lottery, didn't they?
This quest is all around amazing for knights, but I saw people being disappointed in no romance content for Kira and Scourge. Well, safe for one letter each and one reeeeally overt line for Scourge.
@@Roksik there's something impossibly sweet about the knight comforting Scourge
I love this mission a lot. It really feels like the finale to the game, and the Old Republic series, ending with the return of as major characters they could get in there, the culmination of your choices, and the defeat of the Eternal Emperor.
Man that moment where Kira interrupts the Knight and Lana hurts
27:18-27:22 I didn't expect to hear that outside Rogue One...
Heh I only just realized where that is from :)
I am one with the force and the force is with me.
damn, Kira's reaction to the Lana kiss is painful
Great video, that must have taken some time! I'm especially thankful for the battle shouts during the boss fight, as they are so hard to hear and they don't always trigger. Seeing so clearly how much romance content every other character got (especially Arcann, who usually dies in my playthroughs) made me even more disappointed for not getting anything for Kira and Scourge here (that one line for Scourge doesn't count...:P).
so Satele was supposed to give you instructions, but I guess they didn't figure out how to program that all in, because I never heard her say any of these lines
Or maybe their fight concept changed and they didn't have everything they actually needed, so they decided to cut everything... Too bad too cause I've heard SO many people complaining about having no idea what was going on.
At 20:57 is it a bug that Arcann has his redeemed model when if is supposed to be him from the dark side route? Or did the dev's just forget about his darkside look?
I think it's meant to imply Arcaan found peace after his death and Valkorion's previous defeat, unlike Vaylin.
jedi knight "i killed you 3 times now"
I love how your Roksik and Amedelys are exactly like my Willexis and Bachia :D
Arcann and ME, Sennya. I would've expected a Knight of Zakuul to be more well-spoken.
I love how agent is still the most badass
3 questions about the database dialogue for all of them in the final battle:
1) What does Marr say? I didn't catch the first part.
2) Is it me or does Thexan have a blue lightsaber?
3) Did you switch Arcann and Thexan's names? Because IDK it feels swapped, "I'll finish what I started" is more Arcann and "Join me in death" is more Thexan.
Its never really occurred to me before, but is this the first time Meetra Surik's name has been said aloud in game?
Before she was just called the Exile.
I'm pretty sure it was only used in novels and comics in the past
I see that based on your alignment you can either stand by Scourge or Kira, when Tenebrae attacks. Is there an option for neutral character? Would be interesting to see balanced character to stand by Revan. Seems like a missed opportunity, if there is none.
I didn't check it, but the neutral option was dropped since kotfe (or maybe earlier, back when i wasn't making videos yet). 0 alignment usually means LS.
Revan would have been cool here. My stubbornly neutral Darth Occlus got helped by Scourge, so it might be faction based (got no neutral Republic character to check).
although i always appreciate extra story content, I felt this only cheapened the death of valkorion
I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they only came up with it to bring Scourge and Kira back. Like, the devs didn't find a way to fit them into the Zakuul storyline, but characters THAT important to the Emperor storyline HAD ot have a reason for staying away that long. I love them both so I don't mind.
Excellent video, great work all around !
Also, what's the name of the armor you're wearing on your shadow consular at 7:38?
It's the dyed Distinguished Warrior set that was added to cartel market around Ossus.
I love this series!!!
“Their ilk”
32:53 Ouch that is quite hurtful
Damn, imagine if in the final battle you could have also been joined by the other classes in your account
How long till we learn he actually wasn't destroyed once and for all?
28:55
Is there a unique animation for neutral characters?
@MUHAMMAD AZLAN SHAH BIN HAZIZUL - Not really. My Darth Imperius got helped by Kira too.
Jesus your characters have great looking gear i want some of those
I'm doing my best :3 (thought I'm not happy with EVERY outfit, aka I still don't have a perfect casual outfit for my trooper and cathar knight, but I update them as new gear getsw released). Ask away if any particular set interests you.
What armor is lana wearing in the hanger
Nice armor at 18:32
Can u tell me the name of the armor
Theron kissed your agent on temple? When I'm pretty sure Theron kissed my male characters on the lips? Are there different animations for female and male romance?
I didn't check but if it's different it's probably due to model sizes being different. The same animations look a bit different on different species too.
I have very few male toons, and all of them are in their class-specific relationships, so I can't check myself rn, but other people's videos might help.
@@Roksik I recorded my male characters and the animation is different
Huge ship.
Where is that line at?
A wild Vaylin lmaoooooo
I killed Arcann because I believe in justice, and he murdered millions, possibly billions. Remember, he destroyed those planets just to spite you.
Is the female imperial agent voice a bit off .....did they change have to change her ... ? I hope all is well Jennifer was spot on as always... excellent video !!!
I don't have a very good ear for VAs (I didn't notice Hale voicing two characters till I was told so!). All I can say is that they didn't record the voices in the same room, so some characters sound a bit off because of the varying sound quality.
@@Roksik ty i was just worried something happened to her
@@morinthshepard6567 I heard that they recorded some of the voice through a phone call or something, that could be it. Or it could just be her voice changing. The same could be said about the male inq's voice.
What quack would decide to romance Arcann, the man who FROZE YOU IN CARBONITE FOR FIVE YEARS AND SPENT THE NEXT TRYING TO SLAUGHTER YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS? Saving him is bad enough, but romancing him? Are you insane? I know you did it for the video, but really? What person in their right mind?
redemption through romance, he is a changed man now
I didn't save him but I can see why people would
The problem is mostly with his redemption arc not being set up properly, aka the writers didn't give him time to actually deserve it. Like, think about Zuko from The last airbender (that clearly inspired him). He was just as unbearable at the start, but time and good writing turned him into one of the most compelling characters of that story. The devs clearly hoped to achieve the same thing (and the redeemed Arcann is a nice guy for sure) but rushed it, and that's the result.
Then again, they seem to listen to the feedback when deciding such things. The fandom went apeshit about not giving Vaylin the redemption arc, and look what they are trying to set up with her in this update...
People who know Valkorion was the real enemy all along and Arcann was just strung along for the ride.
you know its strange my main character is a sith warrior who i litterly keeps everyone around, when i saw the moment arcann would join the alliance i did not hesitate and let him join cause its fun so. the only one i ever let die is vett (i hate her) cause the more people you have the more options you have
@@abzoluterennix477 Ooh, my main (and also first) sith warrior was supposed to be a LS darling. Then I heard the VA, saw the dialogue flavor and thought "nope, this one will be much better as an evil bastard!" Did a complete 180 and now I'm playing the game of "kill as many people as possible and see whether that EVER comes back to bite me in the ass". At least I have all the other toons who kept eveyone alive.
Man logically speaking non force-users have no part in being part of any expansion DLC. It just doesn't make any sense
Agreed. Let's be real, the whole Valk family would have snapped the non-force user player like a twig on site
@@angedenpeacelove_411-00 I would have to assume that Valk was passively shielding the player from Arcann and Vaylin's force-power. They did try and solve the power-scaling issue on Asylum though. Either Arcann beats you fair and square, or Valkorion uses your body like a fuse to beat him. Either way, all 8 classes are on the same page when they reach Odessen.
But yes, anything after Rishi is clearly designed for force-users unfortunately. They had to actually get the Imperial Agent writer to come back and do a chapter for KOTFE for this reason.
@@tTasericwhich was what chapter
@@vitiate5093 Chapter 9, if memory serves me.
“ A better future” - jedi grand master
Me: “you mean when you slaughter a whole group of people merely because you disagree with them and how you committed genocide against a whole species of people”
Oof
The Jedi are never the good guys lol.
Wait what are you saying
@@dusty8592 The Jedi tried to wipe out the Sith species. They deemed them too dangerous to be kept alive.
@@EmperorPalpatine0108yes this.
@@dusty8592look at the lore of what the Jedi and republic did to the sith species. They genocided them basically
Can't stand Satele making her political correctness speeches.