Joel, you worked with that dog before and he still did that? Is it because you're in her house? I'm an apprentice dog trainer. I get paid by friends and their friends to help with their dogs and after our first encounter and socialization between us I would never expect a dog to bite or nip me for no reason.
Dog and owner were at my facility for about 30 minutes, then we went straight to her house. I knew the dog was reactive at the house, but usually there are at least some signs outside the house i.e. looks, nudges, fear, etc. But there were zero sigh at my facility so I was surprised. The house can be a weirdly powerful stimulus even when it’s not protection, it can simply be a place where the behavior was rehearsed over the years.
@@BDTrainingThis is why I appreciate that you do interact in the comments. There may come a time when you just won't be able to, so I will enjoy it while it lasts. Your knowledge is rich. Thanks for making the time
@@BDTraining Thanks. I've never trained inside the owners house other than helping to get the dog out of the crate. I will be watching. Thanks again for the reply.
The dog is between the owner and Joel? And the look started way earlier. Yes, you said it, you need to have the dog behind owner. you can't see the look but it gives you more time to react
Always Better to not let It happen, much Better. I couldn't get It until i realized that we also follow brain paths and rehersals and i experienced It personally.
When I had my reactive (biting) dog I did a lot of reading on aggression. The fixed stare with a tense body is one of the early warning signs for a bite. If you let that go the dog will just keep going up the aggression ladder. Correcting him at the "stare" stage is saying to him, "Don't even THINK about it." You do have to be very alert to make sure you catch it.
Yes. When you know the dog has issues and you've been working on them, shut them down before they get started. As soon as you notice the intention starting to build: "Na ah! In this situation, that path isn't something we're even remotely considering."
Here in Australia the dog beach is FULL of Kelpies, Collies and Shepherds. They are an intense breed. My lab barely acknowledges them now. He used to take the Mickey and tease them to get them to play with him. Unlike a gun dog, working dogs are not big on socialising.
This was an awesome demo. I'm sorry you were bitten. I am a professional dog trainer and I use calming methods to teach the dog to self calm and I don't encourage food rewards when they settle, only long stroke pets. I like the outside of the circle of trust placement. Thank you for sharing this. I have followed you for the past couple of years. You offer very practical advice
I can’t reinforce enough of Joel stressing how important the “handshake” method is when guests are in your home. It really does help to communicate to your dog that the guest is welcomed and not a threat. Thx Joel for another great video and to the dog owner and dog letting Joel video you both! Appreciate it!!
For anyone reading this: I know that dog training can be difficult sometimes, but you're doing great. Keep up the good work, and your dog (and your own sanity) will thank you for it! ❤️💕😊
Joel, thank you for sharing this. It's so rare to see dog trainers show a dog like this. It reminds me of my Pomeranian on my profile picture. I rescued her at six month. Long story short she was kept in a crate almost all the time for those 6 months, and I am convinced she has psychological issues. And yet...If you see her outside, you would never think she has behavioral issues. In fact, she is so well-behaved that people ask me how i have her so well trained. But the truth is, she is an entiterly different dog at home. While she doesnt bite strangers 'unprovoked' like this dog, only myself and my mother can touch my pom at the house. My father and older sibling who lives with us, or anyone who tries to pet/touch her, she will bite. Not a nip, but a full on bite, draws blood each time. She has also bitten me or my mother at times out of misplaced aggression because someone or even my other dog is too close while we might be holding her. Note, I have had dogs all my life, including a german shephard, and never has any of my dogs bitten me or anyone. For this reason, i do not let anyone but myself and mom touch my pom even if she wags her tail and wants to be petted when we are out. I have learned to read her and have learned to prevent bites 99% of the time at home. But my point in sharing is because it's like you said, this dog showed no symptoms at your facility of aggression issues. And that's exactly how my pom is. They show no signs outside. I am convinced there is no 'fixing' a dog that bites people. All you can do is prevent it, watch for triggers, but once they have bitten before, they can bite again. Please continue to make these kinds videos. I enjoy at home videos because dogs really are different when at home. Thanks again.
Ahhh as a pom owner as well, who only trusts me and my mom it is tough. We can't fix him from biting my sister or stepdad when they happen to scare him or happen to try and pet him while he thinks he has something of value. Certainly I am still learning a lot just like you and many other people, but I am a little confused as to how we can be the bosses of the house and the other family members can't. I can step my foot down and he will immediately stop the bad action he is doing but they just can't get the same effect, and I by far spoil this dog the most even though I have hurt wrists which stops me from scratching him. Poms are kind of alien and they're also so small that you just try your best to do the correction without flipping them the heck over, because any amount of force you put into stopping also equates much greater to how their bodies take the correction itself. Maybe it is because I've had moments of trial and error where I stop and this little dog just backflips itself that have given me the respect I get from them, maybe I am soft after those encounters, but they will still gladly bite my sister and stepdad and I don't know how to fix it.. so same boat as you. And even then if he has a treat he will only eat it on my lap if I'm around but rather begrudingly. It's taken a lot of effort for him to learn how to drop something because guess what he does not run this house, and even with this mindset he doesn't fully listen besides obedience. I will attribute that to failures in my own training, maybe he just has a massive personality but man, I swear the poms you see that are awesome are just 100% and then the poms that don't care to listen fight back so much. Maybe it has something to do with their intelligence? I'm not sure.
That dog was thinking: "Oh no! Not this guy again. I had to be bossed around by him when I was at his place. And now he's here at my house and going to do it again? Unt-uh. NO way!"
I appreciate the video topic and commentary. 2:50... There's the look from the dog, (look up intent, or loading phase) 4:08... Have the dog behind you.. 6:25... The main thing... 7:05... Had been at the facility for 30 minutes, knew Joel and still bit him... 7:48... You can get the dog farther away...
Very good show of being caught off guard and yet you stayed so cool and collected. Great job on teaching us more about catching things early before it gets more out of hand!
This is the biggest challenge I've had to deal with when it comes to my rescue. She does a lunge/nibble with new people in the house. She has made friends with people who have come over frequently but I definitely want her to drop the bad habit as much as we can get her to. This video was perfect for the help I needed. Thank you.
To me, it looks like the dog's on high alert most of the time Joel's there. He is constantly watching as Joel paces back and forth. Dog's acting like this is my job to protect my soft energy and soft hearted owner. No one makes him back down and no one's relaxed. Bite's predictable and will likely happen again. Maybe type of correction needs to be changed or used alternatively with a 3-finger touch. Also the lead correction needs to be to the side and not pulled back. Strong breeds are very cool, but take a different (not implying hurtful) hand. Best wishes
yes,I caught that too. The dog was a step ahead of her the whole time. The owner was "cornered" against the wall and the dogs paw was always in front of her foot. she should have kept him on the side behind her leg. Preferably on her other side closest to the wall.
If you have people over and your kid is glaring at them and being rude, you correct the kid. Maybe they won't leap at the guest and punch them but the look is still rude! That's how I think of it.
Before watching this and learning that hand shaking was a “method” I would coach people before entering my house that they had to shake my hand so that my dog would trust them. Only if they were a new person entering my house.
I've trained both dogs and horses, and i'd have been dead or maimed a long time ago if i couldn't read the horse's intentions before it's reaction to whatever. That being said, each animal's history and personality is unique so there will always be times when the animal reacts (to whatever) without any warning. Well handled corrections to a bad situation!
i do the handshake but add a bit extra of bringing the holding-hands to my dog's nose. so he smells both hands together. its not a super long event, just a quick "hey" and bring the hands down to the dog's nose. seems to work
Great video! Hope your leg was ok. Thank you for the lesson. I have to wonder how that session would have gone if her dog had been a larger breed, maybe 115 lbs.
That was interesting, I remember when my sisters rescue dog bit a friend of the family…. It was the way he did it, sneaked up on him and bit his leg under a table?! It was very embarrassing and ripped right though his trousers into his skin, oh he meant business!! I don’t like the dog anymore, very unpredictable!! Great video Joel!! 🙂
I have found that setting matters a lot. Even my dog-dog aggressive clients will not put a foot wrong when they're in my house with me and my dogs. But in their house, all bets are off.
That's a pretty stressful job you've got there! There was a third person in that room too (camera operator), he made sure to give them the stink eye too! I would be pretty angry with that dog. Imagine if he was any bigger!
I will add something else; my Labrador was a rescue and he has nipped three people in my house. Those people all have something in common, they all smoke weed. I don't smoke weed, I believe he nipped them because the previous owner smoked weed and was a bad dog owner.
Just another reason for me to stay far, far away from weed. Cant abide the smell. Also, I work at an Escape room, and the amount of people who smoke weed before coming in- is insane. And they always fail, because they cant think right. And then everything smells and its embarrassing, mostly for them. Anyways, you have a smart dog it sounds like. Although nipping at people isnt good, of course
Love your videos Joel! Not sure if you went over this (i haven't seen it yet), can you go over the pros and cons of buying a dog from a breeder vs adopting at a shelter? There is a huge push to "adopt, don't shop" which doesn't sit right to me somehow.
Hi Joel, thank you so much for the Tough love training - giving treats and positive soft voice turned my Golden Retriever into an aggressive 6 year old female - my Vet Dr told me about tough love, he is now hoping that keeping her with him will desensitize her aggression. My question is how do I control 3 jumping and some nipping dogs that get so excited and stimulated when people come over? Any training tips please advise
I love these videos. Can someone help me understand what's the difference between "the look" (for example at 3:36) that warrants a correction and a dog simply looking at someone (for example at 4:11)?
This is picked up from many interactions with dogs. The big one I see is the ears. Look at the difference, up vs down. Also, the position of the head while in seated position. High above shoulders and ready to pounce, as compared to being in a lower position and not giving as much an intense stare. Even the mouth opening and tongue. When in combination it becomes apparant. Very subtle differences though.
Great video on a complex situation. However, if you correct the dog just for the look or the intention or the growl, doesn't it increase the chance that at some point in the future he will learn not to give any warning signs and bite immediately? Or is this a different kind of scenario?
Do you have any recommendation for dog breeds that are very stare-y? It can be hard to tell with my dog on what’s an”I want to lung at you” stare and “this is just how I look at everything” stare. Like Dobermans, Rottweilers, Akitas, etc
Im surprised you did not have her have a head halter on 😂 like seriously, for biting/nipping dogs a Halti is fantastic. The slip mechanism directly targets that mouth, also saves you from that bite. Is there a reason you didn't? A correction with that nay have been much nore effective. And the "look" is loading for sure. Correcting the loading/arousal is the most effective hieever. Hard for the average owner to pick up on sometimes.
The dog was a step ahead of her the whole time. The owner was "cornered" against the wall and the dogs paw was always in front of her foot. she should have kept him on the side behind her leg. Preferably on her other side closest to the wall.
I think the dog was staring at the camera person. Right before the correction with the growl. The dog seemed really uneasy with the camera person. Maybe it's the equipment. She's got a lot of work cut out with breaking that with her dog.
So, this may be a hair-splitting question, but what exactly was the intention behind that bite? Of course he clearly bit you (or your pants, at least), but it's not like he latched onto you and started thrashing. It looks like there was some kind of hold-back or hesitation to the bite.
I think the bite is about control personally. That looked like a herder bite. Front teeth, quick, low targeted on the leg rather than high with body language positioning for zone control. He didn't like that Joel stepped in toward the owner and thinks it's ok to zone manage people's locations. You can see later the way he watches and tracks movement and doesn't do it head on but instead positions his body sideways to 'block.' He blocks the owner walking too, and she has to walk into him. This is a dog that wants to control the location of strangers. Would not be surprised if this is a cattle dog mix.
Hi Joel, I also deal with my dog being reactive to people in my house. I know you’ve mentioned having the “scary stimulus” throw treats to the dog so they make a better association with the person. Would you have recommended doing this in this situation when the dog wasn’t growling or giving intense stares?
Why the +P, why not Counter Condition a different response? Instead of punishing the dog for insecure feelings, why not help condition. a positive association?
Describe to me how you would condition a positive association, the answer is very short, shouldn’t take you long. Then I’ll tell you if you’re right and why I didn’t do that.
@@BDTraining I apologize I'm a little bit confused, are you saying that your answer be very short or my answer will be very short? I'm curious what part of operant conditioning you're using? Maybe I would better understand your approach if I understand what quadrant. I love learning from seasoned trainers, that's what makes dog training so fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@RogueValleySchutzhundClub When people understand a little about training and ask me a question I like to see if they can answer their own question. This saves me time in writing out complex behavior. So there’s a reason I didn’t “condition a positive association” and I talked about it with the owner. So give it a shot and tell me how in this situation you would have conditioned a positive association?
@@BDTraining That makes perfectly good sense. Over the years, I learned by asking questions and being open to questions such as yours. To answer your question without writing you a book. When a client comes to me stating they have an ?Aggressive dog?, much like you do, I try to get a little more background on the dog. We talk about genetics, experiences and maybe what training methods they have tried. I find that most pet owners immediately punish the dog or try to correct the behavior. This is usually either because somebody told them to do that or it?s would work on a human. Without boring you with all the details, I first explain what their dog is experiencing by putting a humanistic approach. I typically ask if they have a fear of either spiders, nine times out of 10 it?s a yes. I then asked them the question, if I brought that spider towards you and asked you to hold it, what would you do? Most of the time their response is they would yell at me and create distance. Then I asked them if you were on a 6-foot rope, and you feel you could not get away, what would your response be? A majority of the clients would tell me that they would try to defend themselves with some type of tactile response. I also asked them if I was to yell at you or correct you with some type of aversive physical correction, would that make you unafraid of the spider? Of course most people laugh at that question, but that?s what people don?t understand about so-called dog aggression (very few dogs are aggressive, just reactive) they think that correcting the dog helps the dog be less fearful, and instead it creates a superstitious Association. Once I use this analogy, it?s easy for them now to see what the dog reactive dog is experiencing. Now that they understand the ?why?, we can better learn the ?how?. After giving them a brief description of +P and counterconditioning I then utilize my example with the spider to explain to them the process of helping the dog work through these emotions. I asked them if I take that same spider and I put it in a glass jar, and it?s 10 feet away from you, how afraid are you of it? Nine times out of ten, they say they are not to worry. I then asked them if every time you look at the spider that?s in the glass jar I give you $100, what would your feelings be towards that spider? Most of the clients actually smile and say they would not have a problem looking at the spider and the glass jar. Now I ask them if I gave you $1000 every time you took a step closer to the spider in the glass jar, what would your response be? Again, most actually state that they would go over and immediately pick up the glass jar. One of the last things I explained to them before actually implementing this concept with the dog is, I asked them, are you still afraid of spiders? Of course the answer is yes, because like most dogs, most fears are based on either genetics or superstitious associations. Even though they are still fearful of the spider, they feel less fear and their emotional response is much lower due to them feeling more confident. This is all because of counterconditioning while utilizing +R.
@@RogueValleySchutzhundClub that’s great. But explaining positive reinforcement and classical conditioning to people only goes so far. You saw my session, what would you actually do as a first step?
That's gotta be husky mix with a herding breed like an Aussie. Hard ass stare. Then cool, then lunge and bite for no reason. Maybe, maybe not. Aussies are damn nervous and down right nuts genetically sometimes . Maybe the owner adding to it unknowingly sometimes ? If you reinforce the lay down , could the dog misinterpret that as maybe something from earlier?
Def got herding breed too, the bite looks like a herders bite and the way he turns his body sideways to block access or prevent movement of owner when she walked into him.
@@someusername4129 It may be a herders bite just by the way the dog positioned itself like you explained but it seemed like more of a bite than a typical herding nip. Left a hole in his pant leg. I've never received a nip so I don't know the difference personally but I'd think it wouldn't be like this.
@@rptrick79I've been nipped by a cattle dog in the foot before. Broke skin through a sneaker and definitely a major bruise. Hurt pretty badly, not gonna lie. Dog had a history of 'tagging' visitors but the owners teased the hell out of it. Ended up going berserk on the male owner and mauling his arm. Had to be put down. They don't pull punches depending on what they are bred to herd. Corgis bite damn hard because they herd cattle and cows have thick skin. Can also depend on the dog.
Low key provoking that gorgeous dog. He's in front of owner & on full alert, not behind in a calm sit/down/stay. And you're in his personal space with an aggressive stance. This makes dogs (and humans) very uncomfortable. Thnks for this vid showing how fast dogs can move and bite, even for those with a ton of experience. Pls keep posting!
RE: Handshake...My dog (11 month old male Karakachan=Extremely stubborn+Smart) doesn't give 2 lip-licks about a handshake. Is this video applicable to all dog breeds? Are there any exceptions to this or other behaviors depending on the breed? Are your videos a one size fits all (don't mean that in a smart aleck way)? This is my first dog and am learning A LOT from your videos and they are very helpful but am having a hard time determining if some behaviors displayed by my dog are natural/not correctable/behaviors he's suppose to display? How does one know the difference? Example: I can no longer take my dog to the dog park w/o him wanting to rip every dogs throat out. This started when he turned 7 months. Is this a fear period or is he growing into what he's been bred to behave like? Last week he got out & chased down a Fedex truck wanting to get the driver. No one can walk past our house; it's like whatever his eye can see, he views as his territory.
Interesting choice for a first dog From what I understand of this breed, it is very protective of its property and people. Exactly the dog you want where there is lots of land, and livestock to protect. However, I can see it would be difficult to adjust to a busy urban environment where it’s perceiving all kinds of outdoor activity as potential threats. I would definitely be looking for a behaviourist specialist to work with in your home environment if possible.
@@Dogdaddy5560 My teen daughter brought him home as a "surprise"! Now, she's off at college while I try to navigate life w/this exotic pup. I was a no nonsense mom w/my kids and this has helped me in training the dog. Thank you for the advice.
I have a caucasian ovcharka mix and it was the same. At 12 or 13 months old he became aggressive towards other dogs he didn't know. He becomes more aggressive the closer they get to him and the closer they are to the house. He learned everything else well. Cars, bikes and even people are no problem, but he would never let strangers touch him. For him that rule is also for foreign dogs. The neighbours are allowed to touch him through the fence. He knows them very well and maybe they bring some treats. It helps to just talk to other people, smalltalk, like neighbours and they should stay in a little distance, where the dog is relaxed. Outside the house my dog is every time on the leash. Do these talks on your walks --often:), it really helps a lot. These livestock guardian dogs are very territorial, but they could make new friends, like Joel shows through the fence. It just takes a VERY long time for my dog to accept another dog as a friend. But it works! When your dog is grown, he thinks the dog park is his territorium, when he was there 2 or 3 times. He is bred to see that as his. Maybe he's just surprised that he doesn't have any sheep with him...
@@someusername4129 LOL!! My daughter did, in her true, over-achiever fashion. And, she picked a dog that, weirdly, behaves just like her: Headstrong/strong-willed/stubborn, extremely smart and a "getter-inner" (gets into stuff & trying to do too much).
I think the “Uh” and the moving of your hands could have been a trigger, It shows something like incalculability or weakness or maybe a vulnerable position. Dogs that bite are specialized in sensing incongruent signals, actions and words. This unsettles them and challenges them at the same time.
The owner is not the boss of the house. Also she should be in front of the dog when walking towards you. She cornered her self until she went to the couch.
Wat ik niet goed vond in het begin is, dat de hond doorlopend voor haar zat en dus de leiding had. Gelukkig zei je uiteindelijk dat de hond naar achteren moest.
This is a super useful video! Thank you. Do you think the same method might work on a dog who suddenly and forcibly jumps at visitors? (No biting, no anger, just a rough play.)
If the pain came from me it could work well. But pain randomly coming from the universe (ecollars) at the moment moment of the bite doesn’t work as well. Or the pain coming from owner but having no separation from owner is also flawed. I could write much more in the subject and probably didn’t do a perfect job explaining things in the video or to the extent i could have.
@@BDTraining Thanks for clarification man. I thought you meant pain (in general) wouldn't be good at that point. Yeah, I never did endorse the use of ecollars. They just seemed wrong and I couldn't quite put my finger on what was wrong about them until I heard you explain how it's so unnatural and causes the dog to kinda flip out in the brain, not really understanding the correction and you added more to that, but I realized that's exactly why I never could get behind the the use of em. They just never sat well with me
@@BDTraining In terms of e-collar, shouldn't proper training make a direct association of the shock coming from an owner voice (or better said, lack of following owners voice command)? This way the dog makes a direct association and understanding that it is an extended "leash".
@@BDTraining idk LMAO. I just listened because I was driving but it was the first thought when I saw you were on an in home session. Just poking da bear. Keep up the good work bro.
@@BDTraining you did not, in fact man-stretch after watching the video in its full miraculous entirety. I'm proud of you for that. Aussie mixes are a different monster huh?
Teach the dog a solid place/bed/stay too. Shouldnt even be greeting guests at all yet and shouls just learn to lie down and be neutral from the time they arrive. No neednto even mingle yet, imo.
the harbinger and "the endless" are pretty lame, seriously "worse than the flood" and they can survive the halo array, what kinda cheep ass writing is this? on top of that they don't really bring anything that adds to the gameplay.
Joel, you worked with that dog before and he still did that? Is it because you're in her house? I'm an apprentice dog trainer. I get paid by friends and their friends to help with their dogs and after our first encounter and socialization between us I would never expect a dog to bite or nip me for no reason.
Dog and owner were at my facility for about 30 minutes, then we went straight to her house. I knew the dog was reactive at the house, but usually there are at least some signs outside the house i.e. looks, nudges, fear, etc. But there were zero sigh at my facility so I was surprised. The house can be a weirdly powerful stimulus even when it’s not protection, it can simply be a place where the behavior was rehearsed over the years.
@@BDTrainingThis is why I appreciate that you do interact in the comments. There may come a time when you just won't be able to, so I will enjoy it while it lasts. Your knowledge is rich. Thanks for making the time
I experienced the same thing, my dog needed help inside the house.
@@BDTraining Thanks. I've never trained inside the owners house other than helping to get the dog out of the crate. I will be watching. Thanks again for the reply.
The dog is between the owner and Joel? And the look started way earlier. Yes, you said it, you need to have the dog behind owner. you can't see the look but it gives you more time to react
Brilliant! Notice the INTENTION, people, don’t wait for the bad behavior to happen. 👍🥰
Intention always precedes action. Same with kids.
Always Better to not let It happen, much Better. I couldn't get It until i realized that we also follow brain paths and rehersals and i experienced It personally.
When I had my reactive (biting) dog I did a lot of reading on aggression. The fixed stare with a tense body is one of the early warning signs for a bite. If you let that go the dog will just keep going up the aggression ladder. Correcting him at the "stare" stage is saying to him, "Don't even THINK about it." You do have to be very alert to make sure you catch it.
Yes. When you know the dog has issues and you've been working on them, shut them down before they get started. As soon as you notice the intention starting to build: "Na ah! In this situation, that path isn't something we're even remotely considering."
Joel is the best dog trainer on the internet, bar none!
when joel does his "acting like a normal person" i always think he had to rehearse how to do it xD
Lol
😂 hilarious
Here in Australia the dog beach is FULL of Kelpies, Collies and Shepherds. They are an intense breed.
My lab barely acknowledges them now. He used to take the Mickey and tease them to get them to play with him.
Unlike a gun dog, working dogs are not big on socialising.
It’s amazing that you don’t hold a grudge against the aggressive dogs and stay so calm! Your advice is incredibly helpful.
I’m being a normal person…….proceeds to walk around and around and around lol 😂
I know, I was actually being a weirdo
This was an awesome demo. I'm sorry you were bitten. I am a professional dog trainer and I use calming methods to teach the dog to self calm and I don't encourage food rewards when they settle, only long stroke pets. I like the outside of the circle of trust placement. Thank you for sharing this. I have followed you for the past couple of years. You offer very practical advice
I can’t reinforce enough of Joel stressing how important the “handshake” method is when guests are in your home. It really does help to communicate to your dog that the guest is welcomed and not a threat. Thx Joel for another great video and to the dog owner and dog letting Joel video you both! Appreciate it!!
For anyone reading this: I know that dog training can be difficult sometimes, but you're doing great. Keep up the good work, and your dog (and your own sanity) will thank you for it! ❤️💕😊
Joel, thank you for sharing this. It's so rare to see dog trainers show a dog like this. It reminds me of my Pomeranian on my profile picture. I rescued her at six month. Long story short she was kept in a crate almost all the time for those 6 months, and I am convinced she has psychological issues. And yet...If you see her outside, you would never think she has behavioral issues. In fact, she is so well-behaved that people ask me how i have her so well trained. But the truth is, she is an entiterly different dog at home. While she doesnt bite strangers 'unprovoked' like this dog, only myself and my mother can touch my pom at the house. My father and older sibling who lives with us, or anyone who tries to pet/touch her, she will bite. Not a nip, but a full on bite, draws blood each time. She has also bitten me or my mother at times out of misplaced aggression because someone or even my other dog is too close while we might be holding her. Note, I have had dogs all my life, including a german shephard, and never has any of my dogs bitten me or anyone. For this reason, i do not let anyone but myself and mom touch my pom even if she wags her tail and wants to be petted when we are out. I have learned to read her and have learned to prevent bites 99% of the time at home. But my point in sharing is because it's like you said, this dog showed no symptoms at your facility of aggression issues. And that's exactly how my pom is. They show no signs outside. I am convinced there is no 'fixing' a dog that bites people. All you can do is prevent it, watch for triggers, but once they have bitten before, they can bite again. Please continue to make these kinds videos. I enjoy at home videos because dogs really are different when at home. Thanks again.
Ahhh as a pom owner as well, who only trusts me and my mom it is tough. We can't fix him from biting my sister or stepdad when they happen to scare him or happen to try and pet him while he thinks he has something of value. Certainly I am still learning a lot just like you and many other people, but I am a little confused as to how we can be the bosses of the house and the other family members can't. I can step my foot down and he will immediately stop the bad action he is doing but they just can't get the same effect, and I by far spoil this dog the most even though I have hurt wrists which stops me from scratching him. Poms are kind of alien and they're also so small that you just try your best to do the correction without flipping them the heck over, because any amount of force you put into stopping also equates much greater to how their bodies take the correction itself. Maybe it is because I've had moments of trial and error where I stop and this little dog just backflips itself that have given me the respect I get from them, maybe I am soft after those encounters, but they will still gladly bite my sister and stepdad and I don't know how to fix it.. so same boat as you. And even then if he has a treat he will only eat it on my lap if I'm around but rather begrudingly. It's taken a lot of effort for him to learn how to drop something because guess what he does not run this house, and even with this mindset he doesn't fully listen besides obedience. I will attribute that to failures in my own training, maybe he just has a massive personality but man, I swear the poms you see that are awesome are just 100% and then the poms that don't care to listen fight back so much. Maybe it has something to do with their intelligence? I'm not sure.
That dog was thinking:
"Oh no! Not this guy again. I had to be bossed around by him when I was at his place. And now he's here at my house and going to do it again? Unt-uh. NO way!"
That's exactly what I thought when Joel said he tried to bite him, who he knows....lol
Lol
The dog didn’t want to “do this all day”!🤣
@@topcatwarrior Or he was like "is my turn...I can do this all day" 🤣
I laughed!
I appreciate the video topic and commentary.
2:50... There's the look from the dog, (look up intent, or loading phase)
4:08... Have the dog behind you..
6:25... The main thing...
7:05... Had been at the facility for 30 minutes, knew Joel and still bit him...
7:48... You can get the dog farther away...
Nice work
2:50 do you mean the death stare?
Thank you, this is useful.
Very good show of being caught off guard and yet you stayed so cool and collected. Great job on teaching us more about catching things early before it gets more out of hand!
The dog was like let me show you who’s boss round here! But Beckman got that big boss energy!
This is the biggest challenge I've had to deal with when it comes to my rescue. She does a lunge/nibble with new people in the house. She has made friends with people who have come over frequently but I definitely want her to drop the bad habit as much as we can get her to. This video was perfect for the help I needed. Thank you.
To me, it looks like the dog's on high alert most of the time Joel's there. He is constantly watching as Joel paces back and forth. Dog's acting like this is my job to protect my soft energy and soft hearted owner. No one makes him back down and no one's relaxed. Bite's predictable and will likely happen again. Maybe type of correction needs to be changed or used alternatively with a 3-finger touch. Also the lead correction needs to be to the side and not pulled back. Strong breeds are very cool, but take a different (not implying hurtful) hand. Best wishes
yes,I caught that too. The dog was a step ahead of her the whole time. The owner was "cornered" against the wall and the dogs paw was always in front of her foot. she should have kept him on the side behind her leg. Preferably on her other side closest to the wall.
If you have people over and your kid is glaring at them and being rude, you correct the kid. Maybe they won't leap at the guest and punch them but the look is still rude! That's how I think of it.
Before watching this and learning that hand shaking was a “method” I would coach people before entering my house that they had to shake my hand so that my dog would trust them. Only if they were a new person entering my house.
I've trained both dogs and horses, and i'd have been dead or maimed a long time ago if i couldn't read the horse's intentions before it's reaction to whatever. That being said, each animal's history and personality is unique so there will always be times when the animal reacts (to whatever) without any warning. Well handled corrections to a bad situation!
Great video! Thanks Joel😊
Absolutely!!! Reading your dog!!! Reading all that is around you.
Goes to show that tail wagging isn't always a sign of happiness.
I think Joel had mentioned that tail wagging often indicates wanting to interact.
@@ExeLietuvaI thought he said it meant they were stimulated somehow, good or bad.
I could be wrong though, maybe he will see this and clarify.
@@ExeLietuva Tail wagging can mean nervous.
@@armandhammer2235 yeah some trainers look at the direction, elevation and speed of tail wag
Great video ❤
Handshaking has been HUGE in my household with my dogs. It hasn’t worked EVERY time but it’s definitely been instrumental! And I got that from Joel:)
i do the handshake but add a bit extra of bringing the holding-hands to my dog's nose. so he smells both hands together. its not a super long event, just a quick "hey" and bring the hands down to the dog's nose. seems to work
Great video! Hope your leg was ok. Thank you for the lesson. I have to wonder how that session would have gone if her dog had been a larger breed, maybe 115 lbs.
That was interesting, I remember when my sisters rescue dog bit a friend of the family…. It was the way he did it, sneaked up on him and bit his leg under a table?!
It was very embarrassing and ripped right though his trousers into his skin, oh he meant business!!
I don’t like the dog anymore, very unpredictable!!
Great video Joel!! 🙂
I have found that setting matters a lot. Even my dog-dog aggressive clients will not put a foot wrong when they're in my house with me and my dogs. But in their house, all bets are off.
I wouldn't have seen that coming.
I was sure Joel was going to put his foot up on that table....😆
Maybe step on her couch. (If the clients seeing this it’s because I put my foot on my last in home session’s hearth)
If you step on the couch you must say "I'm Rick James bxxxx!"
Great job! How can you be certain that all dogs KNOW 100% when a owner “accepts” a new person?
This is the first time I’ve seen you get bite be it I’ve only seen your videos recently
That's a pretty stressful job you've got there! There was a third person in that room too (camera operator), he made sure to give them the stink eye too!
I would be pretty angry with that dog. Imagine if he was any bigger!
I noticed that too!
Better get some bell bottoms, Joel! 😉
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I will add something else; my Labrador was a rescue and he has nipped three people in my house. Those people all have something in common, they all smoke weed. I don't smoke weed, I believe he nipped them because the previous owner smoked weed and was a bad dog owner.
Just another reason for me to stay far, far away from weed. Cant abide the smell. Also, I work at an Escape room, and the amount of people who smoke weed before coming in- is insane. And they always fail, because they cant think right. And then everything smells and its embarrassing, mostly for them. Anyways, you have a smart dog it sounds like. Although nipping at people isnt good, of course
Love your videos Joel! Not sure if you went over this (i haven't seen it yet), can you go over the pros and cons of buying a dog from a breeder vs adopting at a shelter? There is a huge push to "adopt, don't shop" which doesn't sit right to me somehow.
Hi Joel, thank you so much for the Tough love training - giving treats and positive soft voice turned my Golden Retriever into an aggressive 6 year old female - my Vet Dr told me about tough love, he is now hoping that keeping her with him will desensitize her aggression. My question is how do I control 3 jumping and some nipping dogs that get so excited and stimulated when people come over? Any training tips please advise
I love these videos. Can someone help me understand what's the difference between "the look" (for example at 3:36) that warrants a correction and a dog simply looking at someone (for example at 4:11)?
Good question. It’s mainly the length of time of the look. At 4:11 it’s very short then a look away.
This is picked up from many interactions with dogs. The big one I see is the ears. Look at the difference, up vs down.
Also, the position of the head while in seated position. High above shoulders and ready to pounce, as compared to being in a lower position and not giving as much an intense stare.
Even the mouth opening and tongue. When in combination it becomes apparant. Very subtle differences though.
Great video on a complex situation. However, if you correct the dog just for the look or the intention or the growl, doesn't it increase the chance that at some point in the future he will learn not to give any warning signs and bite immediately? Or is this a different kind of scenario?
Wow, that dog gave no noticable warning. Loose wagging tail, seemed relaxed and happy to me
How do you stop a dog barking and going nuts when you answer the house door, and speaking to someone at the door.
Do you have any recommendation for dog breeds that are very stare-y? It can be hard to tell with my dog on what’s an”I want to lung at you” stare and “this is just how I look at everything” stare. Like Dobermans, Rottweilers, Akitas, etc
need a prince and kittens update!
He got you when you weren’t expecting it 😅
I like to think that equal opposite reactions to the dog's actions are a good way to stop things you don't want them to do.
6:13 Correction I think was because the owner thought the dog was staring at camera person. Probably still worked up after the bite attempt.
He wanted that first strike damage!
Do you have a web store with recommended products? I'm interested in the gentle lead muzzle I've seen on your channel.
that dog is so cute
Im surprised you did not have her have a head halter on 😂 like seriously, for biting/nipping dogs a Halti is fantastic. The slip mechanism directly targets that mouth, also saves you from that bite. Is there a reason you didn't? A correction with that nay have been much nore effective.
And the "look" is loading for sure. Correcting the loading/arousal is the most effective hieever. Hard for the average owner to pick up on sometimes.
The dog was a step ahead of her the whole time. The owner was "cornered" against the wall and the dogs paw was always in front of her foot. she should have kept him on the side behind her leg. Preferably on her other side closest to the wall.
I would say the handshake is less important than the owners energy at the moment. Bet you she was not feeling confident when you got bit.
I think the dog was staring at the camera person. Right before the correction with the growl. The dog seemed really uneasy with the camera person. Maybe it's the equipment. She's got a lot of work cut out with breaking that with her dog.
Poor trousers, they were such good trousers.
R.I.P
They were good trousers, corduroy in fact.
“rrrrrip!” and R.I.P. 🕊
So, this may be a hair-splitting question, but what exactly was the intention behind that bite? Of course he clearly bit you (or your pants, at least), but it's not like he latched onto you and started thrashing. It looks like there was some kind of hold-back or hesitation to the bite.
The only reason he didn't latch on was poor aim. If Joel had had bare legs there would have been blood.
I think the bite is about control personally. That looked like a herder bite. Front teeth, quick, low targeted on the leg rather than high with body language positioning for zone control. He didn't like that Joel stepped in toward the owner and thinks it's ok to zone manage people's locations. You can see later the way he watches and tracks movement and doesn't do it head on but instead positions his body sideways to 'block.' He blocks the owner walking too, and she has to walk into him. This is a dog that wants to control the location of strangers. Would not be surprised if this is a cattle dog mix.
Very well analyzed@@someusername4129
Hi Joel, I also deal with my dog being reactive to people in my house. I know you’ve mentioned having the “scary stimulus” throw treats to the dog so they make a better association with the person. Would you have recommended doing this in this situation when the dog wasn’t growling or giving intense stares?
I have the same issue with my 1 yr old aussie at home. He's the perfect dog outside the house but some guests he just doesn't like and want to bite.
Why the +P, why not Counter Condition a different response? Instead of punishing the dog for insecure feelings, why not help condition. a positive association?
Describe to me how you would condition a positive association, the answer is very short, shouldn’t take you long. Then I’ll tell you if you’re right and why I didn’t do that.
@@BDTraining I apologize I'm a little bit confused, are you saying that your answer be very short or my answer will be very short? I'm curious what part of operant conditioning you're using? Maybe I would better understand your approach if I understand what quadrant. I love learning from seasoned trainers, that's what makes dog training so fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@RogueValleySchutzhundClub When people understand a little about training and ask me a question I like to see if they can answer their own question. This saves me time in writing out complex behavior. So there’s a reason I didn’t “condition a positive association” and I talked about it with the owner. So give it a shot and tell me how in this situation you would have conditioned a positive association?
@@BDTraining That makes perfectly good sense. Over the years, I learned by asking questions and being open to questions such as yours. To answer your question without writing you a book. When a client comes to me stating they have an ?Aggressive dog?, much like you do, I try to get a little more background on the dog. We talk about genetics, experiences and maybe what training methods they have tried. I find that most pet owners immediately punish the dog or try to correct the behavior. This is usually either because somebody told them to do that or it?s would work on a human.
Without boring you with all the details, I first explain what their dog is experiencing by putting a humanistic approach. I typically ask if they have a fear of either spiders, nine times out of 10 it?s a yes. I then asked them the question, if I brought that spider towards you and asked you to hold it, what would you do? Most of the time their response is they would yell at me and create distance. Then I asked them if you were on a 6-foot rope, and you feel you could not get away, what would your response be? A majority of the clients would tell me that they would try to defend themselves with some type of tactile response. I also asked them if I was to yell at you or correct you with some type of aversive physical correction, would that make you unafraid of the spider? Of course most people laugh at that question, but that?s what people don?t understand about so-called dog aggression (very few dogs are aggressive, just reactive) they think that correcting the dog helps the dog be less fearful, and instead it creates a superstitious Association.
Once I use this analogy, it?s easy for them now to see what the dog reactive dog is experiencing. Now that they understand the ?why?, we can better learn the ?how?. After giving them a brief description of +P and counterconditioning I then utilize my example with the spider to explain to them the process of helping the dog work through these emotions. I asked them if I take that same spider and I put it in a glass jar, and it?s 10 feet away from you, how afraid are you of it? Nine times out of ten, they say they are not to worry. I then asked them if every time you look at the spider that?s in the glass jar I give you $100, what would your feelings be towards that spider? Most of the clients actually smile and say they would not have a problem looking at the spider and the glass jar. Now I ask them if I gave you $1000 every time you took a step closer to the spider in the glass jar, what would your response be? Again, most actually state that they would go over and immediately pick up the glass jar. One of the last things I explained to them before actually implementing this concept with the dog is, I asked them, are you still afraid of spiders? Of course the answer is yes, because like most dogs, most fears are based on either genetics or superstitious associations. Even though they are still fearful of the spider, they feel less fear and their emotional response is much lower due to them feeling more confident. This is all because of counterconditioning while utilizing +R.
@@RogueValleySchutzhundClub that’s great. But explaining positive reinforcement and classical conditioning to people only goes so far. You saw my session, what would you actually do as a first step?
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That's gotta be husky mix with a herding breed like an Aussie. Hard ass stare. Then cool, then lunge and bite for no reason. Maybe, maybe not. Aussies are damn nervous and down right nuts genetically sometimes . Maybe the owner adding to it unknowingly sometimes ?
If you reinforce the lay down , could the dog misinterpret that as maybe something from earlier?
Def got herding breed too, the bite looks like a herders bite and the way he turns his body sideways to block access or prevent movement of owner when she walked into him.
@@someusername4129 It may be a herders bite just by the way the dog positioned itself like you explained but it seemed like more of a bite than a typical herding nip. Left a hole in his pant leg. I've never received a nip so I don't know the difference personally but I'd think it wouldn't be like this.
@@rptrick79I've been nipped by a cattle dog in the foot before. Broke skin through a sneaker and definitely a major bruise. Hurt pretty badly, not gonna lie. Dog had a history of 'tagging' visitors but the owners teased the hell out of it. Ended up going berserk on the male owner and mauling his arm. Had to be put down. They don't pull punches depending on what they are bred to herd. Corgis bite damn hard because they herd cattle and cows have thick skin. Can also depend on the dog.
Curious why he is so protective of her. Is he the same with women? Is she emotionally dependant on the dog skewing the leadership role... jealousy?
He is like a sheepdog without any meaningful activity
My luck is, my dogs aren't aggressive toward guests, but they have no manners and get overly excited.
Low key provoking that gorgeous dog. He's in front of owner & on full alert, not behind in a calm sit/down/stay. And you're in his personal space with an aggressive stance. This makes dogs (and humans) very uncomfortable. Thnks for this vid showing how fast dogs can move and bite, even for those with a ton of experience. Pls keep posting!
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He real salty you at the crib 😂😂😂
Is that blood coming through Joels pants?
RE: Handshake...My dog (11 month old male Karakachan=Extremely stubborn+Smart) doesn't give 2 lip-licks about a handshake. Is this video applicable to all dog breeds? Are there any exceptions to this or other behaviors depending on the breed? Are your videos a one size fits all (don't mean that in a smart aleck way)? This is my first dog and am learning A LOT from your videos and they are very helpful but am having a hard time determining if some behaviors displayed by my dog are natural/not correctable/behaviors he's suppose to display? How does one know the difference? Example: I can no longer take my dog to the dog park w/o him wanting to rip every dogs throat out. This started when he turned 7 months. Is this a fear period or is he growing into what he's been bred to behave like? Last week he got out & chased down a Fedex truck wanting to get the driver. No one can walk past our house; it's like whatever his eye can see, he views as his territory.
Interesting choice for a first dog From what I understand of this breed, it is very protective of its property and people. Exactly the dog you want where there is lots of land, and livestock to protect. However, I can see it would be difficult to adjust to a busy urban environment where it’s perceiving all kinds of outdoor activity as potential threats. I would definitely be looking for a behaviourist specialist to work with in your home environment if possible.
@@Dogdaddy5560 My teen daughter brought him home as a "surprise"! Now, she's off at college while I try to navigate life w/this exotic pup. I was a no nonsense mom w/my kids and this has helped me in training the dog. Thank you for the advice.
Damn you went black diamond on your first dog 😬
I have a caucasian ovcharka mix and it was the same. At 12 or 13 months old he became aggressive towards other dogs he didn't know. He becomes more aggressive the closer they get to him and the closer they are to the house. He learned everything else well. Cars, bikes and even people are no problem, but he would never let strangers touch him. For him that rule is also for foreign dogs.
The neighbours are allowed to touch him through the fence. He knows them very well and maybe they bring some treats.
It helps to just talk to other people, smalltalk, like neighbours and they should stay in a little distance, where the dog is relaxed. Outside the house my dog is every time on the leash. Do these talks on your walks --often:), it really helps a lot.
These livestock guardian dogs are very territorial, but they could make new friends, like Joel shows through the fence. It just takes a VERY long time for my dog to accept another dog as a friend. But it works!
When your dog is grown, he thinks the dog park is his territorium, when he was there 2 or 3 times. He is bred to see that as his. Maybe he's just surprised that he doesn't have any sheep with him...
@@someusername4129 LOL!! My daughter did, in her true, over-achiever fashion. And, she picked a dog that, weirdly, behaves just like her: Headstrong/strong-willed/stubborn, extremely smart and a "getter-inner" (gets into stuff & trying to do too much).
The dog is fixated in the camerawoman…who is only holding a cell phone…l think he bit Joel to because he couldn’t get to the camera holder…
I think the “Uh” and the moving of your hands could have been a trigger, It shows something like incalculability or weakness or maybe a vulnerable position. Dogs that bite are specialized in sensing incongruent signals, actions and words. This unsettles them and challenges them at the same time.
What breed is this?
The owner is not the boss of the house. Also she should be in front of the dog when walking towards you. She cornered her self until she went to the couch.
Wat ik niet goed vond in het begin is, dat de hond doorlopend voor haar zat en dus de leiding had. Gelukkig zei je uiteindelijk dat de hond naar achteren moest.
This is a super useful video! Thank you. Do you think the same method might work on a dog who suddenly and forcibly jumps at visitors? (No biting, no anger, just a rough play.)
Yes but their are better ways. See my “leash step on method” videos.
@@BDTraining Thanks so much!
Why would pain not be a good correction at the point of trying to bite someone? That's how thy learn in the wild
If the pain came from me it could work well. But pain randomly coming from the universe (ecollars) at the moment moment of the bite doesn’t work as well. Or the pain coming from owner but having no separation from owner is also flawed. I could write much more in the subject and probably didn’t do a perfect job explaining things in the video or to the extent i could have.
@@BDTraining Thanks for clarification man. I thought you meant pain (in general) wouldn't be good at that point. Yeah, I never did endorse the use of ecollars. They just seemed wrong and I couldn't quite put my finger on what was wrong about them until I heard you explain how it's so unnatural and causes the dog to kinda flip out in the brain, not really understanding the correction and you added more to that, but I realized that's exactly why I never could get behind the the use of em. They just never sat well with me
He's really staring hard at the cameraman!
@@BDTraining In terms of e-collar, shouldn't proper training make a direct association of the shock coming from an owner voice (or better said, lack of following owners voice command)? This way the dog makes a direct association and understanding that it is an extended "leash".
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0:52 who the fu*k put a TV so high ?? 😂
He doesnt like this guy...he must have his reasons 😅😅😅😊😊😊
Don't put your foot on anything man-scretching...
Oh no. Did I man stretch 🤦🏻♂️?
@@BDTraining idk LMAO. I just listened because I was driving but it was the first thought when I saw you were on an in home session. Just poking da bear. Keep up the good work bro.
@@BDTraining you did not, in fact man-stretch after watching the video in its full miraculous entirety. I'm proud of you for that. Aussie mixes are a different monster huh?
Stop the intent before he acts makes sense
Teach the dog a solid place/bed/stay too. Shouldnt even be greeting guests at all yet and shouls just learn to lie down and be neutral from the time they arrive. No neednto even mingle yet, imo.
the harbinger and "the endless" are pretty lame, seriously "worse than the flood" and they can survive the halo array, what kinda cheep ass writing is this? on top of that they don't really bring anything that adds to the gameplay.
Weird dog man