I guarantee when it was all happening and they were sitting with kitchen knives Eric said something like " I fucking told you we should've kept the guns in the house Shelly "
There is one local story from the 1850s that does in fact match up. This was reported in local newspapers at the time. A doctor was in a horse drawn wagon between Skowhegan and Bangor I believe (very close to Palmyra) and was suddenly attacked by several "large wolves"...he was able to fend them off, but afterward the word around town was that the wolves walked on 2 legs and didn't look like normal wolves. Not to mention that by the 1850s wolves had been nearly eradicated from the area already. I lived on the border of Palmyra 2 winters ago for the whole winter and there is a constant and nagging ethereal and supernatural feel to the whole area. I would get chills up my spine in the middle of the day up there. There are many fields and old farms. Its a large area so I'm not surprised the farm was hard to find. I asked around a couple times at stores but either they didn't want to tell me specifically as an outsider....or the locals didn't want to talk about where the farm was. I know its there though. The doctor thing is researchable. If you would like, as I live only an hour or so from there now, I would be willing to assist you with further research into this. I also have other bits of info and detail you may not have yet. This story has fascinated me since I discovered it...and I've lived in Maine my whole life, there are a LOT of stories. Theres a reaso. Stephen King is from and writes almost exclusively about this place.
@@casey7187Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
The thing that always bothered me about this is the gun thing. For one no self respecting safety conscious gun owner would lock their guns up in a barn rather than buying a safe or building a case and putting a lock on it in the house. Someone finds out you leave your guns in the barn you're probably going to wake up to them having been stolen. From what I remember the kids were either older teenagers or living on their own so it's not like you need to worry about a small child getting into them. To me it sounds like a story made up and a detail added to explain why they didn't shoot them.
@@thatguy5779 I know that I've heard the story half a dozen times. The point I was making is there were no small children in the house that would make a gun sitting in a safe/case in the house dangerous. So it is essentially more dangerous to put them in an unlocked barn in a locked case.
@@ragingmoderate6791 while not having guns in the house is convenient for the story. the guns in the barn probably weren't the most expensive thing in the unlocked barn. further having them locked in the barn may have been a compromise between not having any and having them in the house.
I mean, it kinda sounds like black bears. They aren’t usually that tall, but in the dark it’s hard to judge exact size. Standing on hind legs, scratching at a building, growling, living in a den, smelling awful, etc. these are all characteristics of bears. Plus mangy bears look an awful lot like werewolves.
@@themecoptera9258I’ve never heard of them getting onto roofs, and the behavior in this story isn’t very typical them. They will hang out in peoples yards if there’s food, and sometimes they’ll go through the trash, but they’re usually skittish and often run when they see or hear people. More scavengers than predators. We’ve never even had a black bear fatality in Maine (on record). On the other hand, I do see them as a very likely culprit in this story, and maybe some aspects of it have been exaggerated.
@@Belenus3080 that’s more what I’m going for. Black bears fit the profile well enough that a bit of exaggeration and some embellishment in the retelling would be enough to end up with this story
I grew up in Maine. And graduated high school in 2006, in a town about 20 miles from palmyra. I’ve never heard of this until now. I grew up hunting bear and moose there. And my father and I have never encountered or seen anything strange in the woods that I can remember. I guess we were fortunate. And we were also waaaaay deep in the woods, to the point that we were 3 hours from the nearest tar road.
I live here, we ride the trails all through here and have never even heard about this from anyone who is local unless they heard it online or watched the paranormal tv show that first did an episode on it
I always think it's like the odor of bitter almonds; half the population cannot smell it. Two people can live in the same house, and one is sensitive to whatever spirit activity is going on, and the other is oblivious.
I wish I had the ability to entertain these stories for even a second. Every story like this, I find so easy to just call bullshit. I just have no ability to even pretend to believe in the supernatural.
Being from Maine I can tell you right now this actually happened I use to live in Newport Maine and no one is entirely sure what actually happened but the Eric Martin case was an actually thing
I live in Saint Albans, no one I’ve ever asked I know anything about this and I’ve looked for property records and can’t find any owning to Eric and Sherry Martin and no one else has ever encountered any wolves of any kind around here.
Nope. This is true. Shelley and Eric are good friends with us. They didn't own the farmhouse. They were renting so you wouldn't find any homeowner records. If you knew Shelley, you would totally understand why the guns were in the barn. 😂 But yes, this was an experience they had.
I live in Maine. About 2.5 hours east from Palmyra. My friends lived on a dirt road that lead to the blueberry barrens. Very secluded. We used to love to walk from their house to mine sometimes at night. My friends always told me that we could never go the opposite way past their house at night because they have all seen “wolf dogs” and were visibly terrified of seeing them again. We were 12 and 13 at the time. I never saw the “wolf dogs” but they told me that they stood about 6 feet on all fours and had glowing eyes. They said the “wolf dogs” were a Native American folklore. I’m not sure exactly what the name of them would be or what the story is that goes with it.
The best way to prevent gun accidents, is gun education. 99.9% of gun accidents, is because of the person holding the weapons fault. Not the actual weapon malfunction
Thank you. I grew up with guns all over my house and in vehicles, everywhere. Loaded guns. We lived in a rural area and if you called the police, you were looking at least 20 minutes, but more like 30 to an hour, especially since I lived on the border of two different counties. Our address was listed as the county we didn’t actually live in. I was trained from a young child the how to responsibly handle a firearm. I was taught how to hold, carry, shoot and clean every gun in the house.
I think these wendigo legends come from a situation of correlation not causation. The cases of psychosis linked to cannibalism aren't caused by eating human flesh but are cases of PTSD caused by the same traumatic experience that led to cannibalism in the first place. It's not from the act of cannibalism itself but from the period of extreme depravation. Even the physical description matches exactly what you would expect to see in someone who experienced an extended period of starvation, they would look skeletal and would be dangerous because of their extreme desperation.
Tbh the gun thing makes me suspicious of their story. I get putting them in a safe but having them in the barn where kids could sneak out to easily makes no sense. Gun safes are best in a parents room, maybe locked behind another door like a closet or even a lock on the parents door.
Dogmen. One of the family went to one of their dens and lingered not only did that piss em off it left his scent. The dogmen wanted eric and his family to see how it feels when someone comes onto your land and home uninvited. Thats all i can think of when it comes to something like this. Also a good reason to if you find a den, get the hell out of there dont linger or investigate. Leave asap dogmen and some cryptids dont take too kindly to that at all especially if they are aggressively territorial.
I can understand that and I can say that if I knew of any sort of wolf den I wouldn’t go to it but if your just walking around in the woods and stumble upon it, then that would be retarded logic on the dogmens end.
I got some family who Has a camp up in Palmyra and we go there once a summer for reunions and stuff I never stayed there overnight so I couldn’t tell you any thing to supernatural but the lake it’s on always gave me a bad vibe
To be faaaiiiir, not every town wants to be "home of insert supernatural being here." But also, 2006. like. why did no one take any pictures of any bit of evidence? Keep some hair to identify?
Loveland, Ohio is a lot like that...most of the people there want nothing to do with the Loveland Frog despite it popping up and people showing up to ask about it... They prefer the castle as a tourist thing, which is rather cool to visit
And usually those "supernatural town mascots" are the friendly kind, or some old legends that are likely long dead. A pack of agressive animals from just a couple of years back that might still be around just isn't good PR.
Two years ago, I decided to go to Goat Man's Bridge, a famously haunted place near Denton TX, the subject of a GHOST ADENTURES episode, BUZZFEED UNEXPLAINED, and other paranormal investigations. I went in August. The midday temperatures were normal for North Texas, around 100 degrees. I was 70 years old. . . Paranormal researchers commonly report that it's hard to find the bridge though it shouldn't be. It's a famous place within the city limits of a large town. Using maps and directions given to me by residents of the general area, it took me two trips to Denton to find it. Well educated, sober, and serious people cannot easily find it. Finally, a utility worker told me where Old Alton Road was. I drove past the bridge four or five times before finally seeing a gravel pull-off next to the road and above the nearby trees the top of a bridge. . . As I parked in the gravel parking area near the bridge, I saw how plainly the bridge stood in the sun. Anyone should be able to see it from the road. I was alone there. Opening my car door and setting foot on the gravel, I felt embraced by a filmic warmth not that of the sun. It adled me, upset my balance. I walked around to where a short stretch of gravel led to the bridge or to a trail leading away from the bridge. I took the latter first, then the second, all the while with every step the filmic warmth covering me. I tossed a few pieces of bread into the creek below the bridge, looked away for a brief second, and turned to watch the bread on the water, but the bread was gone. Three whole pieces of bread gone in a second. In the years of my experience feeding fish off bridges, that had never happened before. The film of warmth still covered me. I was still off balance. A man and woman parked beside my car and said they were there to scout the bridge because their teenage kids were afraid to go there for a party. I said nada to the couple. . . The liminal quality of the place is real, but not everyone will feel it because a person must be drawn there within a rite of initiation into the liminal. The magnetic/filmic coating I felt hung around me was not normal and entirely new to me. I have explored a lot of America on foot. People from around Denton know about the bridge but won't go there. . . The family in your post about the upright dogs might have been living in a liminal place. See Husserl (sp?), liminality.
I’m just two towns over from Palmyra. The whole thing sounds like a black bear sow with cubs. Bear dens stink. Bears stand up. Cubs are super curious. All sounds like a bear to me. And I’m definitely not a skeptic of any kind, very open to supernatural happenings. This just screams bear to me.
The whole family still lives in the area, Shelley actually works at the hardware store in the neighboring town and I’ve had many interactions with her. Never even knew about any of this until now because they don’t walk around advertising it to everyone…
They seemed too fast for bears honestly. They apparently crossed half the field when chasing the parents the first time, and the time the dad was chased, they nearly caught him. They were a lot more like wild dogs or cats in their speed than bears.
350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
Another reason why you should always practice 2A. Every single gun owner I know has gun safes. Having guns in your barn, shed, garage, etc is the same as not having any. Never listen to anyone who says you are safer without guns in your home. No matter where you live the cops are ALWAYS minutes away. I live in Manhattan and the police had told me the only thing that gets their immediate attention is when other cops call for help or you call and say someone has a gun. That being said; regarding this story it could’ve been even more dangerous if they tried engaging these creatures with guns before they entered the house.
And why woukd it be more dangerous to engage these animals? If we assume for a second that these wolf-like beings exist. Then we can also assume that all living things can be killed. I woukd like to see one take 15 rounds of 7.62x51 and remain standing. If we are to assume that they are supernatural, then we are assuming something completely contrary to the laws of nature as we know them. So how about we take all our ammunition to a local church and dip the front of the cartridges in holy water and have them blessed by a priest. Would that give these creatures something to think about?
@@ms.annthrope415 I mean to be fair, honey badgers are small and they're damn near unbeatable and they know it and flaunt it. Who's to say mustelids are the only animal group to have a sentient middle finger like that walking around.
You guys should recover this case considering how better you guys have gotten with everything from research to even just your guys' banter while continuing to build upon the topic
Since orbs were mentioned, that seems to be a common theme with skin walkers. or at least from what your older videos would suggest. Hell even I can recall a instance of when I was sleep as a teenager in Marietta, GA I woke up randomly in the middle of the night to see something stnading at my bedroom window) which was already 8ft off the ground but you could see their whole upper body and waist. IT was really weird and didn't seem human, but only happened once.
@@wintersprite well in OK we have a legend about large, hairless wolfmen that we call witchy wolves in my family which is probably something similar. And unfortunately due to colonization the myths and legends associated with many of the tribes have died or been lost except on reservations where some are still told if the tribe survived and the areas where they were referring to originally are no longer where they reside so region specific ones are harder to pinpoint.
I hate to burst the bubble on paranormal speculation, but there is a mundane explanation; wolf-dogs. Literally hybrids of eastern gray wolf and domestic dogs. The resulting offspring can be extremely large and intelligent, and they often lack the natural timidity of wolves. They aren't scared of humans. They probably had pups in the den, so that innocent intrusion provoked a territorial response. As for the bipedalism, they were not reported to move on 2 legs, just standing up. It's an unusual sight, but many quadrupeds will stand on 2 legs momentarily as an intimidation display. We're familiar with bears doing it, but it's also seen in equines, cervids, sheep, and yes, I've even seen a dog do it. I used to volunteer at an animal shelter, and there was one long term resident that had been horribly abused in his past, a Canaan dog. He pulled that move on me the first time we met, and he was able to look me dead in the eye. I'm 6'3"
I always had this idea that if any of the American Dogman sightings and tales like this one turned out to be true it could be some genetic offshoot of Raccoons. Raccoons are the closest relatives to bears so we know that family of animals can be large. They're often described as being very stealthy, they almost always have a snout that's not quite long like a wolf's but is just a bit shorter like a raccoon. They're described as having opposable thumbs. As being very intelligent. As having "glowing" or reflective eyes. They also have stories of them doing things like walking on top of a fence by grasping it on all fours like a raccoon does on railings. So yeah they seem basically like gigantic raccoons. Seemed like a cool idea for fiction about it if nothing else. In reality I think most sightings of dogmen are usually just misidentified bears.
There is a historical account of a family of european werewolves & theres another pack story from Greifswald Germany in 1640 as well. Also (atleast in Germany) the use of pelts rituals & drugs to become one(like a skinwalker) are also part of the tradition.
Yeah, more attention needs to be given in these circles to the similarities between skinwalkers and the original European werewolf stories that always involve someone deliberately using magic rituals to become a wolf.
It may have changed, but in 2007, when I was living in the Boston area, I got the notion to visit Provodence, RI. Could not find a thing about Lovecraft! Nothing! Point being localities can be very determined to keep a subject hidden, like the presence of wolves not being admitted by Palmyra.
I didn’t find much about lovecraft in providence either, which bummed me out. His grave is there, but all his residences are still privately owned. The thing is, as influential as lovecraft is, I don’t think he was a big enough celebrity to have tourist landmarks. He has always had more of a cult following.
From what ive seen based on my own interactions with guys from Maine when i waa in the Marine Corps is that outside of like Portland or the other large towns most people in main really dont want to talk to outsiders and dont like talking to outsiders. Not like in a "we're better than you" thing, but they do tend to find things like small talk annoying from what ive seen so the town of Palmyra not wanting to be floddes with tourists chasing down the new england wherewolfs makes sense imo
This is my first time watching one of your videos and I am disappointed that anyone trying to make a video concerning Cryptids was not able to bring "Dogman" into the discussion. Real werewolves for the most part are considered physically impossible due to the fact that the human body could not survive the type of damage that coulde be caused by the changes of turning a man or woman into a bipedal wolf that is able to walk and run on two feet. Native Americans have had their own experiences dealing with these creatures and bigfoot, both separately and together. Skinwalkers are native American shaman dealing in dark magic residing mainly in the American Southwest. Dogmen have been found all over the world. The web is full of information on Dogman and you can find plenty of stories concerning dogman. Keep up the work you are doing. Thanks for your efforts.
When this video went up, I was much less convinced of the dogman theory. Nowadays I'm a bit more open to it, but I'm still skeptical of the Michigan story...
@@TheLoreLodge I shared that attitude as well before I started doing research, it’s been several years now I can tell you my opinion has now changed (I will still often say I know I sound crazy but…) I still relate to the skepticism although now I lean the other way. Glad I found your channel, keep up the good work👍
You know, the 'local legend' thing is neat to try to investigate near the time of it's origin. I catalog historical records in my area and ran across a reference to a 'Rufus the Ghost' of the Royal Hotel from Yampa, CO and, I'll tell you what, the earliest documentation I can find with NAMES attached was in the spring of 1980 and the only mentions of when the legend is supposed to have begun aren't sourced. As far as 'Rufus' goes, I can't find any mentions of why that name would have been chosen. There's a man by that name who lived in Yampa and died in a plausible timeframe to be considered a likely ghost candidate, but since he had a home there, I can't find any reason he should become associated with a hotel... Point being, it would be nice if someone at the time had bothered to mention in town meeting minutes or something "This year, people started talking about a ghost in the local hotel", just to make the whole thing more tidy.
Ive seen some sasquatch and a possible dogman encounter here in n.e. Ohio. While this story would be cool if it happened, i stopped believing when i heard the wife didnt like guns, so the husband stored them outside the house..... I call Bullshit on that one. The dog man encounter was in the CVNRA, there are some evil areas in there. And im convinced the government knew what was in there back in the 70s, claimed eminent domain and booted all residents put. And why was the national guard called in? The entire area between Boston mills & Brandywine is creepy. Youve got helltown, edge of the world, and lots of murders on that farm at the top of stanford. I carry my 9mm at all times, and when the dog man thing made itself known, that pistol felt totally irrelevant.
Lol..Everytime someone mentions this story 😄 I think, "What do you wanna bet,Shelly is no longer such a stickler for that NO FIREARMS in the house" rule?? Bhahaha..😂
6:20 to me this sounds most similar to the dogman detailed in the April fools horror song which spawned the dogman legend, “The Legend.” The song begins with what sound like a recorded police report, the report cuts out and we get a sick flute solo as the singer begins to recount an event where a few loggers encountered and chased a dog which then stood up terrifying the men into retreat, it begins to talk about several other appearances of the creatures although they never hurt anyone physically ( at least not in the song ) there near presence seems to be enough to cause violent heart attacks.
We might not know 100% if these things are real or whatever but what we can get from this is definitely a life lesson... marry/live with a person who isn't afraid of guns 😂😂
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
I know this video is a little old but the town has a rather large game reserve on it. I don't know if it's near where the Martins lived but it seems like a reason to stay in the area for the wolves. Protected land and food. Only have to worry about the occasional hunter or family which would make a great meal. Just an idea I had when looking at the map.
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
It could be the Quebec rougarou. Remember, the Cajuns are decended from Acadian's, and the other big place the Acadian's moved (or were forced to) when England took over was Maine. My mom's side is Acadian and Metis, but her family went from Acadia to Quebec to Michigan. My dad's side is anishinaabe (Ojibwa and Algonquin ) and I can't think of anything like a rougaru or werewolf in those legends. One was adopted as a brother, others were constantly tricked by foxes or raccoons.
I went to palmyra Maine for a few weeks this summer… I cannot say who or where but someone warned me about something that meets almost exactly this description
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
The part that really makes me doubt it is that they didn't go get the guns. You can back the truck up to the house and were clutching kitchen knives to defend yourself against wolves but going to get the fire arms, which might actually protect you from very large animals was too much of an inconvenience? Also I don’t think the sheriff department would just tell you "it's probably fine, don't worry about it", they'd at least go out and check.
There is also the possibility that the town has infestation of werewolves and that is the reason they are not acknowledging it it could be some form of werewolf safe haven
They could be Greeks 🤔 Hear me out... in ancient Greece, aside from the main religion there were some weird cults, like that of Lycaean Zeus (aka "the wolfish Zeus"). The cultists held an initiation for new members (all young men) and fed them a nice stew in the wilderness on a mountain top. That stew contained human flesh. It turned the new members into wolves for a while, and them roaming around in animal form served two functions: 1. As apex predators they were relatively safe until they turned back, so their families didn't have to worry much about them surviving the ordeal. It would have been more dangerous to turn them into weak little prey animals. 2. They were privy to a non-human view on nature and humanity. That's an important learning process for cultures, that have shamanistic traits, and in fact the Lycaean cult seems to have come to Greece from Scythia (aka southern Russia), where shamanism was practiced. Ancient Greek and Roman writers have mentioned the cult. In more modern times the question has come up, whether the human stew was made of actual humans. Not for nutritional reasons - but it's possible, that the priest just dropped horse meat into the kettle, along with some hallucinogenic plants and shrooms, and told everyone it was a cannibal stew. The participants' imagination, the priest's sermon (about what would happen to them) and the plants/shrooms would then have caused them to believe, that they were turning into wolves. But they weren't really, it was just a weird trip. Lupines (plants), for example, are named after the Latin word for wolf ("lupus"), because they can cause the hallucination of turning into a wolf. Roll around naked in a field of them, and you'll find out why: The plant juice makes your skin feel like it's growing fur, and you start to think your body is transforming. That's why lupines were also used to make "flying oitnment" - or witch balm, a sort of lard-based skin cream used by witches to fly (or hallucinate to fly). Horse meat, btw, is said to taste a lot like human flesh. I haven't tried either, just for the record, but I've heard, that the smell when it's fried is equally sweet, and it even matches in terms of colour. Aaaand to get away from that uncomfortable topic: Young Greek men in Palmyra recreating their ancestors' strange cannibal werewolf cult? But in that case, they might have found a aay to actually transform, and not just trip for a night. The original Palmyra was a Silk Road trading point in what is now Syria. People there weren't Greeks, but they used Greek as a lingua franca.
I think it where wolves it something we’ve never experienced in them as afar as living in a pack. In nature lone wolves will pack up when times get tough. Living in Maine being so isolated. A pack is stronger and the life expectancy goes up for everyone in the pack.
We don’t have wolves in Maine though. We used to but they were largely hunted out of the eastern US. Lots of coyotes and foxes but no wolves as far as we know
There are two parcels of land owned by a Martin Family Farm in 2019 on Wiers Road in Palmyra, Maine. But I didn't find an Eric and Shelly Martin. Unless they rented instead of buying. There's a parcel owned by Bradley Martin on Shy Road and another on Main Street.
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
Makes me wonder if it was just bears. I know wolves and bears are easy to identify.....but if you go to a zoo and listen to parents teaching there kids. You will realize very quickly how bad people are at identification of animals. As an example I was at a rhino enclosure this kid next to me says to his dad. "That rhino has a huge horn". His dad then corrects his son and tells him that it's actually a hippo not a rhino.
Yeah bears are easy though. Especially in rural maine, we’ve all seen them. If they were bears I don’t think this story would have left central Maine. Also they don’t usually behave this way unless the family was hanging fruits all over the house lol.
There’s some weird shit in northern (and mid) Maine. I live in Southern Maine where there’s much higher population density but there’s miles of woods up north and if there’s any unknown creatures in this state, it’s up there, supernatural or otherwise. There’s a point driving from Portland to Bangor where buildings fall away and it’s just trees for pretty much the rest of the time you’re on 295. If you do ever decide to try and go, I’d fly into Bangor, not Portland if you can. Probably still a long drive but more like one hour as opposed to two or more.
You mean interstate 95, not 295. And yes, that corridor is incredibly wooded as you get near Bangor. Drive with your highs on when possible, lots of people get killed by hitting moose.
I'd tell Shelley at that point to go to the barn, retrieve my 308 and ammunition and return to our house for me to use that weapon in our family's defense. Shelley is probably not that keen on going to the barn to retrieve that weapon; choices have consequences.
Could the wolves be a local deity/deities and that could be the reason the town doesn’t admit or publicly acknowledge their existence. Or they could be a unique development of supernatural creatures that originated as humans but were changed through a combination of conditions from anthropomorphic creatures ,wendigos, skinwalkers and rogorues.
I live the next town over. I’ve looked through property records to find the property and have not found any that were ever even owned by these people. The town also has a large Mennonite population and Amish population. I’ve lived here for 8 years and each person I’ve asked have never even heard of this.
I stand corrected- I did find property records for a Martin Family Farm however there were taxes owed since at least 2003 so they couldn’t have just moved there that year
Could it also just be bullshit tale from a family that wanted some notoriety. Like the Amityville Horror that was found to be a complete fabrication, fictitious story that generated a movie deal and sold millions of copies of their paperback books? I bought one if their books.
I remember this happening..😳 the show Paranormal Witness covered it,and it was my very most favorite episode!! Yikes..this would have been terrifying!! I mean,can you even imagine!!!
It’s always good to clarify the difference between skinwalkers and other shape shifter legends. S-Walkers are Navajo medicine men who have sold their souls to evil for powers and abilities, including the ability to shape shift. Navajo are found in the American southwest, so it’s highly unlikely that you’ll find a S-Walker on the East coast or in Europe. But there are other legends of shape shifters around the world with various cultures.
I believe they are elemental spirits attached to the land near the Douglas pond area where this took place. This type of spirit can assume many different physical forms. However, most of the time they are experienced as odd looking and behaving lights. BTW, if they had wanted to hurt these folks guns would not have been able to stop them from doing so.
Ok. I have hear some pretty outrageous stuff but elemental spirits? What are elemental spirits? Have yiu ever seen one? Caught one? Got a picture of one? Talk to one? Documented your encounter with witnesses? Corroborating evidence? Elemental spirits. What is elemental? Some meaningless phrase like "interdimensional beings?"
Love the stories you tell but my goodness was the candle behind you scaring the life out of me. I thought you were going to catch the house on fire 🤣 just saying be careful
Hight wise these things sounds like my werewolf OC Elena DeHowler (10 foot 4 inches) but she acts like a puppy / lap - dog) she’s bipedal and VERY close to her family
From what i know of Werewolves, it sure sounds like they encountered a family. I've read many different tales of werewolves because the idea just fascinates me, and so does your channel. But i think the idea that werewolves are always solitary and lock themselves away, and that they only transform during a full moon could all be subjective. Yes the full moon is the most prominent time people mention when werewolf activity happens, and yes many people would probably want to disguise their appearance and become members of society fully and lock themselves up to not draw attention BUT if a family of werewolves exists, to say that somehow two werewolves managed to find each other, have children and live a normal family life when they are in their human form, i dont think that's so farfetched. Furthermore, what if this family found that disappearing for the entire full moon period wasnt their style? what if they constantly damaged their own property and couldnt afford to keep replacing suspiciously clawed up furniture, doors etc You place a lot of merit into Feral People, humans who left society. What if this was a werewolf family who did just that? maybe in a place where you have vast amounts of space, wilderness and prey, Werewolves, if they are real, wouldn't need to integrate into society? the Town being quiet about it certainly says that either they're protecting these creatures, which if they lived among them would make sense, or they think its just some bad legend that's not worth investigating. If it was the second then they'd still talk about it just tell you that its some bullshit people made up. Certainly there would be people who are tired of explaining this and just not talk about it at all, but i think its interesting to hear so many people here in the comments claim they know this phenomenon exists.
Lots of black bears. They don’t usually behave this way though. They’re skittish, usually sift through garbage and run at the sight or sound of a person. More scavengers than predators.
You think we're thinking about this wrong, like instead of a man turning into a wolf that there's a wolf like creature, maybe an unknown species of large marsupials that are bipedal, possibly even a species entirely undiscovered? Could explain alot of the werewolf, Lycan, and large wolf like cryptids. Just a thought but could still just be as interesting
Hey what if it was Skinwalkers but that wasnt a den. It may have been an alter inside a den like structure where they sacrificed animals and stuff n thats y it stunk?
People seem to forget that wolves are huge they can commonly get so much bigger that even the largest dog and is often better to think of them as if it was described as being to large it’s probably because we’re use to size of dogs but they can and will be much much larger like 3-5 feet tall at the shoulder
I have a friend that was born and raised in Northern Maine. They hunt and camp alot, and has even been around Palmyra. Nothing like this was ever even hinted. It's a hoax.
Not to mention, no one MEASURED the "extra large footprints"? Amazing what ppl believe without a hint of intelligence given to the story to male it plausible
Ya know what? Being nice and saying this real, fine. It happened to them. On the other hand, this sounds like they cherry picked different parts of stories to try and get their 10 seconds of fame. Overall, this video makes sense. Is it fake? Probably. Are they lying? We don't know.
Late to the party, but - rougarou/loup-garou and sw’s are humans that transform into those creatures. Humans can get on a plane and go anywhere, then leave when done. This is probably overly simplistic, but hey I’m in healthcare and look for the simple answers first.
Maybe the house has been demolished and that’s why you can’t find it. The town is in in the hiding of the creatures.. And just because we don’t have all the information surely doesn’t make this situation any less dangerous, terrifyingly real for those involved.. 😮 12:23
Shelley Rockwell-Martin lives in Newport Maine- she is the one this story is about, she is on Facebook if you want to contact her. I can’t find proof that they ever lived in Palmyra or where the house was and no one here is even familiar with the story. I did find Martin Family Farm on tax records as early as 2003 but that property is technically in Saint Albans on 476 Bubar Road and none of the previous owners are Shelley or Eric Martin. I also read that Shelley and Eric never actually saw these creatures and they never pounded or banged on the house. That part was a dream that producers added into the story.
Sounds like a dogman or men to me. And those orbs of light seem to be associated with these cryptids. A few years back I had an encounter with a bunch of these orbs while I was up north at our place which is in the very tip of the thumb of Michigan. Before my dog and I got on the road to go home I stopped at the local beach just to take in the beauty until next time. The sun had already went down. I got out and immediately seen these bright orbs moving about. I have them recorded on 4 separate videos here on YT and on one of the videos about halfway in shows one of these orbs came over to me about 30 feet away. I felt intelligence coming from it. No they weren't drones or boat lights or lanterns. There actually were a bunch of these orbs. It had me wondering where they all came from. I believe that they are some kind of extraterrestrial or supernatural entities. I didn't feel scared either. Thankfully they didn't reveal themselves to me that would of been a different story.
One detail you didn't mention that makes me doubt this whole story is that when Eric dropped his key's the "wolves" were alerted and began to run towards him
Well it is possible that he cried-out when he dropped the keys but didn't remember that. People that are fearing for their lives can easily forget making involuntary noises
@@SilverMe2004 I don't care if he made a noise or if it was his key's, the fact that a guy with a serious spinal injury was able to run from abnormally large wolves makes think this story is bs
@@JamesSchulte well quite often people with serious injuries can spend half a day doing intense labour but will then have to spend the rest of the day in bed unable to move. So with monsters trying to eat him he probably ran faster than he has ever run in his life. Besides he only left the house because he felt they were far enough away that he would get back before they would.
I guarantee when it was all happening and they were sitting with kitchen knives Eric said something like " I fucking told you we should've kept the guns in the house Shelly "
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There is one local story from the 1850s that does in fact match up. This was reported in local newspapers at the time. A doctor was in a horse drawn wagon between Skowhegan and Bangor I believe (very close to Palmyra) and was suddenly attacked by several "large wolves"...he was able to fend them off, but afterward the word around town was that the wolves walked on 2 legs and didn't look like normal wolves. Not to mention that by the 1850s wolves had been nearly eradicated from the area already.
I lived on the border of Palmyra 2 winters ago for the whole winter and there is a constant and nagging ethereal and supernatural feel to the whole area. I would get chills up my spine in the middle of the day up there. There are many fields and old farms. Its a large area so I'm not surprised the farm was hard to find. I asked around a couple times at stores but either they didn't want to tell me specifically as an outsider....or the locals didn't want to talk about where the farm was. I know its there though.
The doctor thing is researchable. If you would like, as I live only an hour or so from there now, I would be willing to assist you with further research into this. I also have other bits of info and detail you may not have yet. This story has fascinated me since I discovered it...and I've lived in Maine my whole life, there are a LOT of stories. Theres a reaso. Stephen King is from and writes almost exclusively about this place.
WOW, could you please share here more information like that? I think a lot of people will support you
@@nekokittycat4004 I agree, this would be fantastic if you can share it :)
It's just a story, nothing much more.
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It's the movie Dog Soldiers. Standing wolves, house out in the country, barn, getting the car backed up to the front of the house door - Dog Soldiers
Fantastic movie
That's what I thought, too. Many similarities. Those masks were fantastic. I still have nightmares.
no its not idiot
its a actual farm house 309 madawaska road palmyra maine, you moron, its a story with proof
That was my exact thought when I head the "back up the truck" plan. That film was great.
Maybe they just watched it on vhs whilst taking shrooms?
I did some digging, and 309 Madawaska road looks pretty close to what the story described, don’t know if you’re still looking for the property
You're right! I searched Eric Martin Maine and was able to see that this address is actually listed as a past address for him.
@@casey7187Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
I love that he explores the mythical creatures as if they’re possible. Rather than just writing it off as ridiculous folklore
The thing that always bothered me about this is the gun thing. For one no self respecting safety conscious gun owner would lock their guns up in a barn rather than buying a safe or building a case and putting a lock on it in the house. Someone finds out you leave your guns in the barn you're probably going to wake up to them having been stolen. From what I remember the kids were either older teenagers or living on their own so it's not like you need to worry about a small child getting into them. To me it sounds like a story made up and a detail added to explain why they didn't shoot them.
Made up....like the Amityville Horror? That was proven to be completely made up story.
His woman weren’t no fan o’ guns, that’s why supposedly they were locked up and away
@@thatguy5779 I know that I've heard the story half a dozen times. The point I was making is there were no small children in the house that would make a gun sitting in a safe/case in the house dangerous. So it is essentially more dangerous to put them in an unlocked barn in a locked case.
@@ragingmoderate6791 while not having guns in the house is convenient for the story. the guns in the barn probably weren't the most expensive thing in the unlocked barn. further having them locked in the barn may have been a compromise between not having any and having them in the house.
Sound to me like the kind of thing a person with an irrational hatred of guns would insist on
I live in Maine, I can confirm we always have weird shit going on around this state.
Great idea to lock your weapons in the barn when you need them in the house
I mean, it kinda sounds like black bears. They aren’t usually that tall, but in the dark it’s hard to judge exact size. Standing on hind legs, scratching at a building, growling, living in a den, smelling awful, etc. these are all characteristics of bears.
Plus mangy bears look an awful lot like werewolves.
True bro
Jumping onto a second story roof is something bears do?
@@phdwinner they’re really good at climbing things
@@themecoptera9258I’ve never heard of them getting onto roofs, and the behavior in this story isn’t very typical them. They will hang out in peoples yards if there’s food, and sometimes they’ll go through the trash, but they’re usually skittish and often run when they see or hear people. More scavengers than predators. We’ve never even had a black bear fatality in Maine (on record). On the other hand, I do see them as a very likely culprit in this story, and maybe some aspects of it have been exaggerated.
@@Belenus3080 that’s more what I’m going for. Black bears fit the profile well enough that a bit of exaggeration and some embellishment in the retelling would be enough to end up with this story
I grew up in Maine. And graduated high school in 2006, in a town about 20 miles from palmyra. I’ve never heard of this until now. I grew up hunting bear and moose there. And my father and I have never encountered or seen anything strange in the woods that I can remember. I guess we were fortunate. And we were also waaaaay deep in the woods, to the point that we were 3 hours from the nearest tar road.
you had a cool childhood indeed
I live here, we ride the trails all through here and have never even heard about this from anyone who is local unless they heard it online or watched the paranormal tv show that first did an episode on it
No y’all were just lucky to not be fooled by a story like this
But then again, the people of Maine don’t talk about what goes on in their state… Beyond that one guy who writes “fiction”.
I always think it's like the odor of bitter almonds; half the population cannot smell it. Two people can live in the same house, and one is sensitive to whatever spirit activity is going on, and the other is oblivious.
I wish I had the ability to entertain these stories for even a second. Every story like this, I find so easy to just call bullshit. I just have no ability to even pretend to believe in the supernatural.
Being from Maine I can tell you right now this actually happened I use to live in Newport Maine and no one is entirely sure what actually happened but the Eric Martin case was an actually thing
I live in Saint Albans, no one I’ve ever asked I know anything about this and I’ve looked for property records and can’t find any owning to Eric and Sherry Martin and no one else has ever encountered any wolves of any kind around here.
Where was the farmhouse
It's just a story, man.
Yeah it did actually happen. The hoax I mean
Nope. This is true. Shelley and Eric are good friends with us. They didn't own the farmhouse. They were renting so you wouldn't find any homeowner records. If you knew Shelley, you would totally understand why the guns were in the barn. 😂 But yes, this was an experience they had.
I live in Maine. About 2.5 hours east from Palmyra. My friends lived on a dirt road that lead to the blueberry barrens. Very secluded. We used to love to walk from their house to mine sometimes at night. My friends always told me that we could never go the opposite way past their house at night because they have all seen “wolf dogs” and were visibly terrified of seeing them again. We were 12 and 13 at the time. I never saw the “wolf dogs” but they told me that they stood about 6 feet on all fours and had glowing eyes. They said the “wolf dogs” were a Native American folklore. I’m not sure exactly what the name of them would be or what the story is that goes with it.
Sounds like skinwalkers
@@Sin2577 skinwalkers don’t live that far, they reside around ohio, new mexico, arizona, and one other state.
My reassurance has left me! I live in Orono and I'm *afraid*
@@joronelis I believe that other state is virginia or maryland.
Not real
The best way to prevent gun accidents, is gun education. 99.9% of gun accidents, is because of the person holding the weapons fault. Not the actual weapon malfunction
Thank you. I grew up with guns all over my house and in vehicles, everywhere. Loaded guns. We lived in a rural area and if you called the police, you were looking at least 20 minutes, but more like 30 to an hour, especially since I lived on the border of two different counties. Our address was listed as the county we didn’t actually live in. I was trained from a young child the how to responsibly handle a firearm. I was taught how to hold, carry, shoot and clean every gun in the house.
Dude I love your attention to detail and the time you take to research things for yourself...
I think these wendigo legends come from a situation of correlation not causation.
The cases of psychosis linked to cannibalism aren't caused by eating human flesh but are cases of PTSD caused by the same traumatic experience that led to cannibalism in the first place. It's not from the act of cannibalism itself but from the period of extreme depravation.
Even the physical description matches exactly what you would expect to see in someone who experienced an extended period of starvation, they would look skeletal and would be dangerous because of their extreme desperation.
"Oh I don't like guns in the house."
*the family from Dog Soldiers shows up*
This. This is why you keep the guns in the house!
Tbh the gun thing makes me suspicious of their story. I get putting them in a safe but having them in the barn where kids could sneak out to easily makes no sense. Gun safes are best in a parents room, maybe locked behind another door like a closet or even a lock on the parents door.
Yeah But dude, if you got a nagging wife that might affect your decision
Sounds like it was the wifes idea.
Sounds similar to The Beast of Bray Road/Michigan Dogman. Wisconsin has a history of wolf-man beings so may be related.
And probably just as fictitious.
Dogmen. One of the family went to one of their dens and lingered not only did that piss em off it left his scent. The dogmen wanted eric and his family to see how it feels when someone comes onto your land and home uninvited. Thats all i can think of when it comes to something like this. Also a good reason to if you find a den, get the hell out of there dont linger or investigate. Leave asap dogmen and some cryptids dont take too kindly to that at all especially if they are aggressively territorial.
Nice comparison, but unlikely they wanted to show something to the family, those creatures are predators, they wanted a pray.
I can understand that and I can say that if I knew of any sort of wolf den I wouldn’t go to it but if your just walking around in the woods and stumble upon it, then that would be retarded logic on the dogmens end.
@@nekokittycat4004 oh, I didn't know they are religious
@@theonetemplar9401 nice
Yeah I reckon dogman. Or something sus because the whole orb thing.
I got some family who Has a camp up in Palmyra and we go there once a summer for reunions and stuff I never stayed there overnight so I couldn’t tell you any thing to supernatural but the lake it’s on always gave me a bad vibe
That seems to be the general consensus
To be faaaiiiir, not every town wants to be "home of insert supernatural being here." But also, 2006. like. why did no one take any pictures of any bit of evidence? Keep some hair to identify?
To be faaaaaaaiiiiir
Loveland, Ohio is a lot like that...most of the people there want nothing to do with the Loveland Frog despite it popping up and people showing up to ask about it...
They prefer the castle as a tourist thing, which is rather cool to visit
And usually those "supernatural town mascots" are the friendly kind, or some old legends that are likely long dead. A pack of agressive animals from just a couple of years back that might still be around just isn't good PR.
Two years ago, I decided to go to Goat Man's Bridge, a famously haunted place near Denton TX, the subject of a GHOST ADENTURES episode, BUZZFEED UNEXPLAINED, and other paranormal investigations. I went in August. The midday temperatures were normal for North Texas, around 100 degrees. I was 70 years old. . . Paranormal researchers commonly report that it's hard to find the bridge though it shouldn't be. It's a famous place within the city limits of a large town. Using maps and directions given to me by residents of the general area, it took me two trips to Denton to find it. Well educated, sober, and serious people cannot easily find it. Finally, a utility worker told me where Old Alton Road was. I drove past the bridge four or five times before finally seeing a gravel pull-off next to the road and above the nearby trees the top of a bridge. . . As I parked in the gravel parking area near the bridge, I saw how plainly the bridge stood in the sun. Anyone should be able to see it from the road. I was alone there. Opening my car door and setting foot on the gravel, I felt embraced by a filmic warmth not that of the sun. It adled me, upset my balance. I walked around to where a short stretch of gravel led to the bridge or to a trail leading away from the bridge. I took the latter first, then the second, all the while with every step the filmic warmth covering me. I tossed a few pieces of bread into the creek below the bridge, looked away for a brief second, and turned to watch the bread on the water, but the bread was gone. Three whole pieces of bread gone in a second. In the years of my experience feeding fish off bridges, that had never happened before. The film of warmth still covered me. I was still off balance. A man and woman parked beside my car and said they were there to scout the bridge because their teenage kids were afraid to go there for a party. I said nada to the couple. . . The liminal quality of the place is real, but not everyone will feel it because a person must be drawn there within a rite of initiation into the liminal. The magnetic/filmic coating I felt hung around me was not normal and entirely new to me. I have explored a lot of America on foot. People from around Denton know about the bridge but won't go there. . . The family in your post about the upright dogs might have been living in a liminal place. See Husserl (sp?), liminality.
You definitely sound like your off balance
That bridge was stolen by Shane. It's not longer the Goatman's bridge
Love these vids, just don't know why I wait till night to watch them.
You like to live dangerously just like me.
Night is the best time to watch them!
They’re not less scary in daylight let me tell you!
I’m just two towns over from Palmyra. The whole thing sounds like a black bear sow with cubs. Bear dens stink. Bears stand up. Cubs are super curious. All sounds like a bear to me.
And I’m definitely not a skeptic of any kind, very open to supernatural happenings. This just screams bear to me.
The whole family still lives in the area, Shelley actually works at the hardware store in the neighboring town and I’ve had many interactions with her. Never even knew about any of this until now because they don’t walk around advertising it to everyone…
@@brokerolla i don’t think that a bear would sit outside a house for an entire night but idk I’m not an expert
I was going to say like a group of adult black bears scavenging and looking for trash to eat
@@f2lmikey if they can smell food they would probably try and get it
They seemed too fast for bears honestly.
They apparently crossed half the field when chasing the parents the first time, and the time the dad was chased, they nearly caught him. They were a lot more like wild dogs or cats in their speed than bears.
It took me 30 seconds to find the house. And it fits the description provided.
350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
@@SaveDaLastZombie I didn't post the address because I didn't want to dox the family that lives there
I've had a similar experience in Louisiana around 2010 /2011. That's crazy hearing a similar experience
Another reason why you should always practice 2A. Every single gun owner I know has gun safes. Having guns in your barn, shed, garage, etc is the same as not having any.
Never listen to anyone who says you are safer without guns in your home.
No matter where you live the cops are ALWAYS minutes away.
I live in Manhattan and the police had told me the only thing that gets their immediate attention is when other cops call for help or you call and say someone has a gun.
That being said; regarding this story it could’ve been even more dangerous if they tried engaging these creatures with guns before they entered the house.
And why woukd it be more dangerous to engage these animals? If we assume for a second that these wolf-like beings exist. Then we can also assume that all living things can be killed. I woukd like to see one take 15 rounds of 7.62x51 and remain standing. If we are to assume that they are supernatural, then we are assuming something completely contrary to the laws of nature as we know them. So how about we take all our ammunition to a local church and dip the front of the cartridges in holy water and have them blessed by a priest. Would that give these creatures something to think about?
@@ms.annthrope415 I mean to be fair, honey badgers are small and they're damn near unbeatable and they know it and flaunt it. Who's to say mustelids are the only animal group to have a sentient middle finger like that walking around.
Dumbest comment I’ve seen
I really liked this story, it creeped me out, and seeing the way you cover it and the way MrBallen covered it, wow, it's so intriguing!
You guys should recover this case considering how better you guys have gotten with everything from research to even just your guys' banter while continuing to build upon the topic
Since orbs were mentioned, that seems to be a common theme with skin walkers. or at least from what your older videos would suggest.
Hell even I can recall a instance of when I was sleep as a teenager in Marietta, GA I woke up randomly in the middle of the night to see something stnading at my bedroom window) which was already 8ft off the ground but you could see their whole upper body and waist. IT was really weird and didn't seem human, but only happened once.
Yeah, how do we know skinwalkers don’t live in other states besides the few usually mentioned? Could there be different types?
@@wintersprite well in OK we have a legend about large, hairless wolfmen that we call witchy wolves in my family which is probably something similar. And unfortunately due to colonization the myths and legends associated with many of the tribes have died or been lost except on reservations where some are still told if the tribe survived and the areas where they were referring to originally are no longer where they reside so region specific ones are harder to pinpoint.
The orbs were eyes. This whole thing and your story fit with bears.
I hate to burst the bubble on paranormal speculation, but there is a mundane explanation; wolf-dogs. Literally hybrids of eastern gray wolf and domestic dogs. The resulting offspring can be extremely large and intelligent, and they often lack the natural timidity of wolves. They aren't scared of humans. They probably had pups in the den, so that innocent intrusion provoked a territorial response.
As for the bipedalism, they were not reported to move on 2 legs, just standing up. It's an unusual sight, but many quadrupeds will stand on 2 legs momentarily as an intimidation display. We're familiar with bears doing it, but it's also seen in equines, cervids, sheep, and yes, I've even seen a dog do it. I used to volunteer at an animal shelter, and there was one long term resident that had been horribly abused in his past, a Canaan dog. He pulled that move on me the first time we met, and he was able to look me dead in the eye. I'm 6'3"
I let my husband keep his guns right next to the bed. They won’t do us any good out in the shed 🥴
I always had this idea that if any of the American Dogman sightings and tales like this one turned out to be true it could be some genetic offshoot of Raccoons.
Raccoons are the closest relatives to bears so we know that family of animals can be large. They're often described as being very stealthy, they almost always have a snout that's not quite long like a wolf's but is just a bit shorter like a raccoon. They're described as having opposable thumbs. As being very intelligent. As having "glowing" or reflective eyes. They also have stories of them doing things like walking on top of a fence by grasping it on all fours like a raccoon does on railings.
So yeah they seem basically like gigantic raccoons.
Seemed like a cool idea for fiction about it if nothing else.
In reality I think most sightings of dogmen are usually just misidentified bears.
This is one of the internet stories that I truly hope is fiction, because this deeply terrify me
There is a historical account of a family of european werewolves & theres another pack story from Greifswald Germany in 1640 as well.
Also (atleast in Germany) the use of pelts rituals & drugs to become one(like a skinwalker) are also part of the tradition.
Yeah, more attention needs to be given in these circles to the similarities between skinwalkers and the original European werewolf stories that always involve someone deliberately using magic rituals to become a wolf.
It may have changed, but in 2007, when I was living in the Boston area, I got the notion to visit Provodence, RI. Could not find a thing about Lovecraft! Nothing! Point being localities can be very determined to keep a subject hidden, like the presence of wolves not being admitted by Palmyra.
I didn’t find much about lovecraft in providence either, which bummed me out. His grave is there, but all his residences are still privately owned. The thing is, as influential as lovecraft is, I don’t think he was a big enough celebrity to have tourist landmarks. He has always had more of a cult following.
A buddy of mine from Tennessee saw a creature fitting this description when he was a kid
From what ive seen based on my own interactions with guys from Maine when i waa in the Marine Corps is that outside of like Portland or the other large towns most people in main really dont want to talk to outsiders and dont like talking to outsiders. Not like in a "we're better than you" thing, but they do tend to find things like small talk annoying from what ive seen so the town of Palmyra not wanting to be floddes with tourists chasing down the new england wherewolfs makes sense imo
This is my first time watching one of your videos and I am disappointed that anyone trying to make a video concerning Cryptids was not able to bring "Dogman" into the discussion.
Real werewolves for the most part are considered physically impossible due to the fact that the human body could not survive the type of damage that coulde be caused by the changes of turning a man or woman into a bipedal wolf that is able to walk and run on two feet. Native Americans have had their own experiences dealing with these creatures and bigfoot, both separately and together.
Skinwalkers are native American shaman dealing in dark magic residing mainly in the American Southwest.
Dogmen have been found all over the world.
The web is full of information on Dogman and you can find plenty of stories concerning dogman.
Keep up the work you are doing.
Thanks for your efforts.
When this video went up, I was much less convinced of the dogman theory. Nowadays I'm a bit more open to it, but I'm still skeptical of the Michigan story...
@@TheLoreLodge I shared that attitude as well before I started doing research, it’s been several years now I can tell you my opinion has now changed (I will still often say I know I sound crazy but…) I still relate to the skepticism although now I lean the other way. Glad I found your channel, keep up the good work👍
You know, the 'local legend' thing is neat to try to investigate near the time of it's origin. I catalog historical records in my area and ran across a reference to a 'Rufus the Ghost' of the Royal Hotel from Yampa, CO and, I'll tell you what, the earliest documentation I can find with NAMES attached was in the spring of 1980 and the only mentions of when the legend is supposed to have begun aren't sourced. As far as 'Rufus' goes, I can't find any mentions of why that name would have been chosen. There's a man by that name who lived in Yampa and died in a plausible timeframe to be considered a likely ghost candidate, but since he had a home there, I can't find any reason he should become associated with a hotel...
Point being, it would be nice if someone at the time had bothered to mention in town meeting minutes or something "This year, people started talking about a ghost in the local hotel", just to make the whole thing more tidy.
Discovered you on TikTok so glad I’m here, love your content! thank you!!
Ive seen some sasquatch and a possible dogman encounter here in n.e. Ohio. While this story would be cool if it happened, i stopped believing when i heard the wife didnt like guns, so the husband stored them outside the house..... I call Bullshit on that one.
The dog man encounter was in the CVNRA, there are some evil areas in there. And im convinced the government knew what was in there back in the 70s, claimed eminent domain and booted all residents put. And why was the national guard called in? The entire area between Boston mills & Brandywine is creepy. Youve got helltown, edge of the world, and lots of murders on that farm at the top of stanford.
I carry my 9mm at all times, and when the dog man thing made itself known, that pistol felt totally irrelevant.
Lol..Everytime someone mentions this story 😄
I think, "What do you wanna bet,Shelly is no longer such a stickler for that NO FIREARMS in the house" rule??
Bhahaha..😂
6:20 to me this sounds most similar to the dogman detailed in the April fools horror song which spawned the dogman legend, “The Legend.” The song begins with what sound like a recorded police report, the report cuts out and we get a sick flute solo as the singer begins to recount an event where a few loggers encountered and chased a dog which then stood up terrifying the men into retreat, it begins to talk about several other appearances of the creatures although they never hurt anyone physically ( at least not in the song ) there near presence seems to be enough to cause violent heart attacks.
We might not know 100% if these things are real or whatever but what we can get from this is definitely a life lesson... marry/live with a person who isn't afraid of guns 😂😂
the house that this happened in was on madawaska road it’s the road in between palmyra and pittsfield
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
I know this video is a little old but the town has a rather large game reserve on it. I don't know if it's near where the Martins lived but it seems like a reason to stay in the area for the wolves. Protected land and food. Only have to worry about the occasional hunter or family which would make a great meal. Just an idea I had when looking at the map.
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
It could be the Quebec rougarou. Remember, the Cajuns are decended from Acadian's, and the other big place the Acadian's moved (or were forced to) when England took over was Maine.
My mom's side is Acadian and Metis, but her family went from Acadia to Quebec to Michigan.
My dad's side is anishinaabe (Ojibwa and Algonquin ) and I can't think of anything like a rougaru or werewolf in those legends. One was adopted as a brother, others were constantly tricked by foxes or raccoons.
The descriptions and the pack mentality sound very similar to another video you did on the nihanni river valley
This is my favorite type of video. It's short and crisp.
The palmyra wolves are one of my favorite stories.
I went to palmyra Maine for a few weeks this summer… I cannot say who or where but someone warned me about something that meets almost exactly this description
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
The part that really makes me doubt it is that they didn't go get the guns. You can back the truck up to the house and were clutching kitchen knives to defend yourself against wolves but going to get the fire arms, which might actually protect you from very large animals was too much of an inconvenience? Also I don’t think the sheriff department would just tell you "it's probably fine, don't worry about it", they'd at least go out and check.
There is also the possibility that the town has infestation of werewolves and that is the reason they are not acknowledging it it could be some form of werewolf safe haven
A conspiracy of town elders who are werewolves. Could explain it.
@@ED-es2qv It would make sense in a weird twisted way
possible my friend, 1 safe haven kept secret
@@jasonjrf considering the topic I agree
They could be Greeks 🤔
Hear me out... in ancient Greece, aside from the main religion there were some weird cults, like that of Lycaean Zeus (aka "the wolfish Zeus"). The cultists held an initiation for new members (all young men) and fed them a nice stew in the wilderness on a mountain top.
That stew contained human flesh.
It turned the new members into wolves for a while, and them roaming around in animal form served two functions:
1. As apex predators they were relatively safe until they turned back, so their families didn't have to worry much about them surviving the ordeal. It would have been more dangerous to turn them into weak little prey animals.
2. They were privy to a non-human view on nature and humanity. That's an important learning process for cultures, that have shamanistic traits, and in fact the Lycaean cult seems to have come to Greece from Scythia (aka southern Russia), where shamanism was practiced.
Ancient Greek and Roman writers have mentioned the cult. In more modern times the question has come up, whether the human stew was made of actual humans. Not for nutritional reasons - but it's possible, that the priest just dropped horse meat into the kettle, along with some hallucinogenic plants and shrooms, and told everyone it was a cannibal stew.
The participants' imagination, the priest's sermon (about what would happen to them) and the plants/shrooms would then have caused them to believe, that they were turning into wolves. But they weren't really, it was just a weird trip.
Lupines (plants), for example, are named after the Latin word for wolf ("lupus"), because they can cause the hallucination of turning into a wolf. Roll around naked in a field of them, and you'll find out why: The plant juice makes your skin feel like it's growing fur, and you start to think your body is transforming. That's why lupines were also used to make "flying oitnment" - or witch balm, a sort of lard-based skin cream used by witches to fly (or hallucinate to fly).
Horse meat, btw, is said to taste a lot like human flesh. I haven't tried either, just for the record, but I've heard, that the smell when it's fried is equally sweet, and it even matches in terms of colour.
Aaaand to get away from that uncomfortable topic:
Young Greek men in Palmyra recreating their ancestors' strange cannibal werewolf cult?
But in that case, they might have found a aay to actually transform, and not just trip for a night.
The original Palmyra was a Silk Road trading point in what is now Syria. People there weren't Greeks, but they used Greek as a lingua franca.
Fascinating story, well told and explored, class video once again 🙌🏼
I think it where wolves it something we’ve never experienced in them as afar as living in a pack. In nature lone wolves will pack up when times get tough. Living in Maine being so isolated. A pack is stronger and the life expectancy goes up for everyone in the pack.
We don’t have wolves in Maine though. We used to but they were largely hunted out of the eastern US. Lots of coyotes and foxes but no wolves as far as we know
There are two parcels of land owned by a Martin Family Farm in 2019 on Wiers Road in Palmyra, Maine. But I didn't find an Eric and Shelly Martin. Unless they rented instead of buying. There's a parcel owned by Bradley Martin on Shy Road and another on Main Street.
Look up on Google: 350 Madawaska Road, Palmyra, ME. It's the house just above it to the left. There's Douglas Pond to the left of it. Coordinates are: 44° 49°'25"N 69°22'43"W. The full wrap around porch has been removed. More farming equipment has been added and another barn I believe. You can see the woods off in the distance.
Makes me wonder if it was just bears. I know wolves and bears are easy to identify.....but if you go to a zoo and listen to parents teaching there kids. You will realize very quickly how bad people are at identification of animals. As an example I was at a rhino enclosure this kid next to me says to his dad. "That rhino has a huge horn". His dad then corrects his son and tells him that it's actually a hippo not a rhino.
Yeah bears are easy though. Especially in rural maine, we’ve all seen them. If they were bears I don’t think this story would have left central Maine. Also they don’t usually behave this way unless the family was hanging fruits all over the house lol.
Lately there's been an up spike in encounters with what's referred to as Dog men, maybe that's what she encountered
Wow, I'm absolutely stunned this dude's never heard of the 'dogman' phenomenon.
There’s some weird shit in northern (and mid) Maine. I live in Southern Maine where there’s much higher population density but there’s miles of woods up north and if there’s any unknown creatures in this state, it’s up there, supernatural or otherwise. There’s a point driving from Portland to Bangor where buildings fall away and it’s just trees for pretty much the rest of the time you’re on 295. If you do ever decide to try and go, I’d fly into Bangor, not Portland if you can. Probably still a long drive but more like one hour as opposed to two or more.
You mean interstate 95, not 295. And yes, that corridor is incredibly wooded as you get near Bangor. Drive with your highs on when possible, lots of people get killed by hitting moose.
I love this story. I believe the true location is Pittsfield Maine. My brother knows this story and brags how he lives close by this incident.
I'd tell Shelley at that point to go to the barn, retrieve my 308 and ammunition and return to our house for me to use that weapon in our family's defense. Shelley is probably not that keen on going to the barn to retrieve that weapon; choices have consequences.
Could the wolves be a local deity/deities and that could be the reason the town doesn’t admit or publicly acknowledge their existence. Or they could be a unique development of supernatural creatures that originated as humans but were changed through a combination of conditions from anthropomorphic creatures ,wendigos, skinwalkers and rogorues.
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I live the next town over. I’ve looked through property records to find the property and have not found any that were ever even owned by these people. The town also has a large Mennonite population and Amish population. I’ve lived here for 8 years and each person I’ve asked have never even heard of this.
I stand corrected- I did find property records for a Martin Family Farm however there were taxes owed since at least 2003 so they couldn’t have just moved there that year
And it’s near the town line of Palmyra but technically in Saint Albans
Could it also just be bullshit tale from a family that wanted some notoriety. Like the Amityville Horror that was found to be a complete fabrication, fictitious story that generated a movie deal and sold millions of copies of their paperback books? I bought one if their books.
Dogmen! Dogmen! Also actual werewolf lore doesn’t have anything to do with moon phases that is actually a fairly recent belief.
I remember this happening..😳 the show Paranormal Witness covered it,and it was my very most favorite episode!!
Yikes..this would have been terrifying!!
I mean,can you even imagine!!!
Ya I remember that episode too I liked that episode
Yep-- I can do much more than "imagine"
It’s always good to clarify the difference between skinwalkers and other shape shifter legends. S-Walkers are Navajo medicine men who have sold their souls to evil for powers and abilities, including the ability to shape shift. Navajo are found in the American southwest, so it’s highly unlikely that you’ll find a S-Walker on the East coast or in Europe.
But there are other legends of shape shifters around the world with various cultures.
this is legit the plot to the film Dog Soldiers…
Yeah, which came out just three years earlier. 🤨
I believe they are elemental spirits attached to the land near the Douglas pond area where this took place. This type of spirit can assume many different physical forms. However, most of the time they are experienced as odd looking and behaving lights. BTW, if they had wanted to hurt these folks guns would not have been able to stop them from doing so.
Ok. I have hear some pretty outrageous stuff but elemental spirits? What are elemental spirits? Have yiu ever seen one? Caught one? Got a picture of one? Talk to one? Documented your encounter with witnesses? Corroborating evidence? Elemental spirits. What is elemental? Some meaningless phrase like "interdimensional beings?"
You are absolutely correct.
Love the stories you tell but my goodness was the candle behind you scaring the life out of me. I thought you were going to catch the house on fire 🤣 just saying be careful
It looks like a very regular flickering, probably electric.
Hight wise these things sounds like my werewolf OC Elena DeHowler (10 foot 4 inches) but she acts like a puppy / lap - dog) she’s bipedal and VERY close to her family
From what i know of Werewolves, it sure sounds like they encountered a family.
I've read many different tales of werewolves because the idea just fascinates me, and so does your channel. But i think the idea that werewolves are always solitary and lock themselves away, and that they only transform during a full moon could all be subjective.
Yes the full moon is the most prominent time people mention when werewolf activity happens, and yes many people would probably want to disguise their appearance and become members of society fully and lock themselves up to not draw attention
BUT if a family of werewolves exists, to say that somehow two werewolves managed to find each other, have children and live a normal family life when they are in their human form, i dont think that's so farfetched.
Furthermore, what if this family found that disappearing for the entire full moon period wasnt their style? what if they constantly damaged their own property and couldnt afford to keep replacing suspiciously clawed up furniture, doors etc
You place a lot of merit into Feral People, humans who left society. What if this was a werewolf family who did just that? maybe in a place where you have vast amounts of space, wilderness and prey, Werewolves, if they are real, wouldn't need to integrate into society?
the Town being quiet about it certainly says that either they're protecting these creatures, which if they lived among them would make sense, or they think its just some bad legend that's not worth investigating.
If it was the second then they'd still talk about it just tell you that its some bullshit people made up. Certainly there would be people who are tired of explaining this and just not talk about it at all, but i think its interesting to hear so many people here in the comments claim they know this phenomenon exists.
This was the only paranormal witness that actually creeped me out. Now that I know this happened in Maine it creeps me out more
Are there bears in Main? Because that just sounds like a small family of bear's tbh
Lots of black bears. They don’t usually behave this way though. They’re skittish, usually sift through garbage and run at the sight or sound of a person. More scavengers than predators.
You think we're thinking about this wrong, like instead of a man turning into a wolf that there's a wolf like creature, maybe an unknown species of large marsupials that are bipedal, possibly even a species entirely undiscovered? Could explain alot of the werewolf, Lycan, and large wolf like cryptids. Just a thought but could still just be as interesting
309 Madawska Rd. Palmyra, Maine
Hey what if it was Skinwalkers but that wasnt a den. It may have been an alter inside a den like structure where they sacrificed animals and stuff n thats y it stunk?
Aaaand just like that, the rifle is spending the night by the nightstand
Wolves are very social pack animals; co-operative hunters, etc. The Loup Garoup is from French settlers and well-known in Michigan and theresbouts.
It was furries. No, seriously, not kidding. Nothing else could give off the sort of smell that makes you feel awkward and go away.
🤣🤣🤣 Lovely, dear!
People seem to forget that wolves are huge they can commonly get so much bigger that even the largest dog and is often better to think of them as if it was described as being to large it’s probably because we’re use to size of dogs but they can and will be much much larger like 3-5 feet tall at the shoulder
No wolves in Maine that we know of
I have a friend that was born and raised in Northern Maine. They hunt and camp alot, and has even been around Palmyra. Nothing like this was ever even hinted. It's a hoax.
Id love to see a present remake of this one!!
Not to mention, no one MEASURED the "extra large footprints"? Amazing what ppl believe without a hint of intelligence given to the story to male it plausible
also how many toes did the footprint have, if it is 5 is it prob a group of black bears. 4 and very large foot prints then i have no clue what it was.
The wife was stupid for not letting guns in the house and the husband shouldn't have humored her on that front
If Momma ain't happy ain't nobody happy...
Ya know what? Being nice and saying this real, fine. It happened to them. On the other hand, this sounds like they cherry picked different parts of stories to try and get their 10 seconds of fame. Overall, this video makes sense. Is it fake? Probably. Are they lying? We don't know.
5:11 don’t cave into mewling quims crying about “they don’t want guns in the house”
Crude.
Late to the party, but - rougarou/loup-garou and sw’s are humans that transform into those creatures. Humans can get on a plane and go anywhere, then leave when done.
This is probably overly simplistic, but hey I’m in healthcare and look for the simple answers first.
Maybe the house has been demolished and that’s why you can’t find it. The town is in in the hiding of the creatures..
And just because we don’t have all the information surely doesn’t make this situation any less dangerous, terrifyingly real for those involved..
😮 12:23
Why I am skeptical of this story is that in this day of go pros and security cameras no one thought to set one up
Eh it was 2005, stuff wasn’t nearly as readily available or inexpensive back then.
@@TheLoreLodge Ah,
Possibly 279 denbow road just outside Palmyra but their are other houses their now
If we’re accepting that paranormal or supernatural beings could exist then why would they be relegated to one area and not migratory
I like your Channel!
Common sense makes sense !
Shelley Rockwell-Martin lives in Newport Maine- she is the one this story is about, she is on Facebook if you want to contact her. I can’t find proof that they ever lived in Palmyra or where the house was and no one here is even familiar with the story. I did find Martin Family Farm on tax records as early as 2003 but that property is technically in Saint Albans on 476 Bubar Road and none of the previous owners are Shelley or Eric Martin. I also read that Shelley and Eric never actually saw these creatures and they never pounded or banged on the house. That part was a dream that producers added into the story.
Interesting, we’ll have to contact them
@@TheLoreLodge I found the address and a picture. It’s 309 Madawaska Road Palmyra.
Fabricated just like thr Amityville Horror.
Ballen got me here. However, I like your Detective take it. Sub’d
Thank you!
Sounds like a dogman or men to me. And those orbs of light seem to be associated with these cryptids.
A few years back I had an encounter with a bunch of these orbs while I was up north at our place which is in the very tip of the thumb of Michigan. Before my dog and I got on the road to go home I stopped at the local beach just to take in the beauty until next time. The sun had already went down. I got out and immediately seen these bright orbs moving about. I have them recorded on 4 separate videos here on YT and on one of the videos about halfway in shows one of these orbs came over to me about 30 feet away. I felt intelligence coming from it. No they weren't drones or boat lights or lanterns. There actually were a bunch of these orbs. It had me wondering where they all came from. I believe that they are some kind of extraterrestrial or supernatural entities. I didn't feel scared either. Thankfully they didn't reveal themselves to me that would of been a different story.
You have mentioned rous garous! Nice!
Address supposedly is 309 Madawaska Road, Palmyra Maine. (The house probably has changed since 2006)
One detail you didn't mention that makes me doubt this whole story is that when Eric dropped his key's the "wolves" were alerted and began to run towards him
Well it is possible that he cried-out when he dropped the keys but didn't remember that. People that are fearing for their lives can easily forget making involuntary noises
@@SilverMe2004 I don't care if he made a noise or if it was his key's, the fact that a guy with a serious spinal injury was able to run from abnormally large wolves makes think this story is bs
@@JamesSchulte well quite often people with serious injuries can spend half a day doing intense labour but will then have to spend the rest of the day in bed unable to move. So with monsters trying to eat him he probably ran faster than he has ever run in his life. Besides he only left the house because he felt they were far enough away that he would get back before they would.
He triggered an automatic light on his garage/house, which drew their attention.