I literally cringed and yelped horrified with the description of _Lolita_ by Nabokov. Holy god... no... no she was not in love with an older man. That last chapter in which the reader actually understands the horror of Dolores' life is terrifying to read. 37 people wrote this and not ONE of them actually read the book?
"And her sobs in the night, every night, every night, as I feigned sleep" but yeah the 12 YEAR OLD CHILD WAS TOTES IN LOVE WITH HER FATHER FIGURE I am SO pissed off gkkfjfjgnfnf Sorry for ranting on your comment but you are SO RIGHT and the next person who tells me Lolita was in love with Humbert gets beaten upside the head with a hardbound copy of the book until I get through their thick skulls that grooming, manipulating, abuse and pedophilia are under no circumstances love
@@RavenSutcliffe Rant on! I love it. It's horrifying to think that someone could read that book and say it's about a "young girl in love with an older man"...she literally begged him to not rape her in one of the last chapters saying "oh god, not again". I want to vomit. I teach high school and every once in a while a student will ask if they should read it and I have a hard time answering that question. I'm not a fan of censoring literature but I also give them a good warning you will love the writing, it's amazingly well done...also you will want to puke most of the time.
@@englishclasschaug Like... "I need a gas station. I hurt inside". "Do you mean you'll give us the money if I go to a motel with you?" "She begged me to take her away" "We made up very gently. You see, SHE HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO". Totally love. Undoubtedly. What the FUCK has to be wrong in someone's head to think that Lolita is a love story. I'm just... I get so angry. Especially now that it's a trend to do stuff like "nymphette fashion" or "nymphette makeup" can't you dress cute without using the word a pedophile uses to describe girls BETWEEN NINE AND FOURTEEN YEARS OLD to describe yourself? Do people not realize how gross it is? That "nymphette" comes from "nympho" because those special girls have impulses others don't? "Her nature which is nymphic, that is, DEMONIC". He's literally demonizing those girls to justify his obsession. I literally just. Run away when people say those things for a very particular reason: nobody, nobody gets to use a word that was used to dehumanize and humiliate me by the man for whom I was "his own perfect little Lo" and who abused me for YEARS, nobody gets to take that and make it into cutesy fashion or a "forbidden love story". Because I was convinced that's what mine was. Because I, like Lolita, was a child who yes, maybe had a crush on an adult, as a child is wont to do. But it's that fucking adult's responsibility to act accordingly and that never means "sleeping with a 12 year old orphan". I'm 24. A 12 year old who had a crush on me could dance naked in front of me and I would still send her away because I'm not a fucking disgusting pedophile. I give ZERO fucks if Lolita had a crush on Humbert or not. He was the adult. And he preyed on her groomed her manipulated her tried to make her complicit in her own dehumanization and I identify so much with that that I want to vomit
@@margotnohe973 As a Goth with wavy brown hair, I laugh at this. (I was once told I couldn't be a Goth because I have brown hair, I may have said something impolite.)
I hear ya. Curls just don't stay in my hair either. I've had better luck sleeping in braids. But even that doesn't stay the whole day. I do have fluffy wigs. But I don't want to always wear a wig.
The fact that I liked the shoes at 6:54... Then when I heard you’re coming over my fence I somehow managed to see all the flaws... Your power is unmatched haha.
All hail our Lady of Salt and her work ethic. Go take a break. You spoil too much and omg. That wiki. Just THINK OF THE NEWBIES. THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD RESOURCES. (Caplock totally necessary) F yeah lolita, lolitatips. Also those pictures.... *screaming in terror*
The "Gothic is the most popular" is repeated on a Lolita wiki I found while trying to compare shopping services so I guess it's just floated around the uninitiated spheres for a while
This stuff looks very similar to advice I've read when I got into Lolita in the late 2000's. Not only the shoes, but the word kodona was used back then too, it really feels like it hasn't been updated.
I was not entirely sure if I was watching LWLN or if my drink had simply been drugged and I was proceeding to go on an unprecedented acid trip while seeing amd hearing all the snippits from that wikihow.
Hey.. I like my ugly shoes haha (though they are all cream so I suppose that helps). My default shoe tends to be Clarks, got 3 pairs of their Mary Janes court shoes. Sue me it isn't a lolita brand lol but they work well with classic!
I... I've never personally worn anything arguably in line with Lolita fashion, and even I Cannot Even with that Wiki How article. Who are these 37 writer/editors?
they were mostly....people with no clue that what they were doing was wrong. about 60% were fixing formatting or spelling errors without dealing with content at all. the original was...very clearly written in 2011 by someone with Little-Middle Sister levels of understanding who just wanted to help, and then edited repeatedly by some "lolitas at heart". A lot of good things were removed or edited into terribleness. An early version actually links to the lolita fashion wiki.
Can I ask a possibly odd question? Someone I was showing these videos to pointed it out and I didn't have an answer. Did Mana do something wrong (other than being off kilter) or does Tyler just not like him? She makes fun of him a lot and I was curious.
I am honestly so happy I get my information about lolita from people like you, Tyler. Thanks to you and Lor, I now know how to begin... I cannot believe the stupidity of this wikihow article...
I checked wikihow's article about this, and they've changed pretty much everything according to what Tyler said in this video. So that's always something, I guess.
I definitely helped write and edit that article in like..... 2009? 2008? I have distinct memories of adding the bangs thing and a line about hime cuts.
My hubby never wanted to any time I asked. Buttttt..... our computers are kiddie cornerdesked and we were playing wow when a few videos came out and I clicked the notices up. I hear him chuckling so hard I thought he was going to spit his drink out at one point, and look to see him peering over my shoulder at the visuals she was describing. So now he hears the lwln's music and suddenly has a casual need to sit next to me for a moment. Not to watch of course, but yeah he is watching lol.
If I didn’t love this fashion so much I would NEVER wear it outside cause I have severe anxiety but my love for this fashion goes WAYYYY beyond that. 🌸💕🎀🏳️🌈
Cis(ish), het, male, 30s, not into any fashion, depise facebook but i just gotta keep pointing out how entertaining this is for non-lolitas. Love you ranting about the agruments online, great presenting. Can i ask if you listen to the Bugle podcast? Or if you have a view on it? Its what launched John Oliver so figured its reasonably likely you have. Keep up the good work!
Same here. I know Tyler IRL and watched one of her vids out of curiosity. It's now been several years, and I keep coming back every week for the rhetoric and leaning. I'm also slowly learning everything I never wanted to know about lolita fashion through osmosis and loving it. O_O
Pickle cool to know it's not just me 👍 I think she would be good a politics or environmental issue videos too, but there's loads of folk doing that so this is a nice niche to have. Have a good day Pickle
I think that Christmas tour part you talked about was the one I attended last year in December omg 😂 it was so weird for us to be asked to do so but it was funny
I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet, but I've literally just looked at that same article and it looks like someone has updated it and made it more accurate. Which is nice.
The fact that I read the wikihow but don't remember most of this either means I dissociated for two minutes while scanning the page or I repressed it like I do with every other trauma I've experienced
I remember reading that article a week ago, and I was horrified. But I have some good news someone edited the wikia, and it now has more accurate information.
Yes! I was waiting for you to find this particular wiki how article. There's so much more where that came from on wiki how, but the one you covered is the worst.
I've only just finished the ruffle chat segment and i feel like I've lost countless brain cells. i can't imagine what the rest of the fucking video is gonna be.
Eurgh. Canes as a fashion accessory. So many goths and steampunks use them in this way so when I actually need to use mine because of pain I don't get taken seriously.
6:32 the Lolita WikiHow about 4-5 years ago was actually pretty good and said all the stuff a lot of Lolita’s say. Now it seems to have been edited to the point of trash >.
Going to my first meetup and now I'm scared were gonna get asked to do something lol Sode note my dress has a tiny stain, I don't have time to wash it again so I'm trying everything to get it out, help.
Surprised to see my story about a baby being left with us made it onto your video! I was 16 at the time and sat directly next to the baby, and was very uncomfortable lol
"Did you wake up on the wrong side of human potential this morning", I'm borrowing this insult and using it, thank you
I once read an article that claimed Gwen Stefani created and coined the word "Harajuku".
Fuck I hate people sometimes!
Oh boy 🤦♀️
Whoever wrote that needs to commit hara-kiri.
🤣
My fashion design teacher in high school tried to tell is that the Kardashians came up with ripped jeans.
I literally cringed and yelped horrified with the description of _Lolita_ by Nabokov. Holy god... no... no she was not in love with an older man. That last chapter in which the reader actually understands the horror of Dolores' life is terrifying to read. 37 people wrote this and not ONE of them actually read the book?
I fixed it
@@AyriannahOllivandra Do you mean you changed the wikihow article? That would be splendid.
"And her sobs in the night, every night, every night, as I feigned sleep" but yeah the 12 YEAR OLD CHILD WAS TOTES IN LOVE WITH HER FATHER FIGURE I am SO pissed off gkkfjfjgnfnf
Sorry for ranting on your comment but you are SO RIGHT and the next person who tells me Lolita was in love with Humbert gets beaten upside the head with a hardbound copy of the book until I get through their thick skulls that grooming, manipulating, abuse and pedophilia are under no circumstances love
@@RavenSutcliffe Rant on! I love it. It's horrifying to think that someone could read that book and say it's about a "young girl in love with an older man"...she literally begged him to not rape her in one of the last chapters saying "oh god, not again". I want to vomit. I teach high school and every once in a while a student will ask if they should read it and I have a hard time answering that question. I'm not a fan of censoring literature but I also give them a good warning you will love the writing, it's amazingly well done...also you will want to puke most of the time.
@@englishclasschaug Like... "I need a gas station. I hurt inside". "Do you mean you'll give us the money if I go to a motel with you?" "She begged me to take her away" "We made up very gently. You see, SHE HAD NOWHERE ELSE TO GO". Totally love. Undoubtedly. What the FUCK has to be wrong in someone's head to think that Lolita is a love story.
I'm just... I get so angry. Especially now that it's a trend to do stuff like "nymphette fashion" or "nymphette makeup" can't you dress cute without using the word a pedophile uses to describe girls BETWEEN NINE AND FOURTEEN YEARS OLD to describe yourself? Do people not realize how gross it is? That "nymphette" comes from "nympho" because those special girls have impulses others don't? "Her nature which is nymphic, that is, DEMONIC". He's literally demonizing those girls to justify his obsession.
I literally just. Run away when people say those things for a very particular reason: nobody, nobody gets to use a word that was used to dehumanize and humiliate me by the man for whom I was "his own perfect little Lo" and who abused me for YEARS, nobody gets to take that and make it into cutesy fashion or a "forbidden love story". Because I was convinced that's what mine was. Because I, like Lolita, was a child who yes, maybe had a crush on an adult, as a child is wont to do. But it's that fucking adult's responsibility to act accordingly and that never means "sleeping with a 12 year old orphan". I'm 24. A 12 year old who had a crush on me could dance naked in front of me and I would still send her away because I'm not a fucking disgusting pedophile. I give ZERO fucks if Lolita had a crush on Humbert or not. He was the adult. And he preyed on her groomed her manipulated her tried to make her complicit in her own dehumanization and I identify so much with that that I want to vomit
"sweet lolita need to have bouncy curls"
*laughs in straight hair that can't handle curls for longer than 1 hours*
"Goth needs fo have straight black hair"
Oh, I guess I can never wear a goth coard than because I have curly hair. Sucks.
@@margotnohe973 As a Goth with wavy brown hair, I laugh at this. (I was once told I couldn't be a Goth because I have brown hair, I may have said something impolite.)
I hear ya. Curls just don't stay in my hair either. I've had better luck sleeping in braids. But even that doesn't stay the whole day. I do have fluffy wigs. But I don't want to always wear a wig.
Tyler is working this month y'all. Bless your salty heart!
Every time Tyler mentions ruffle chat I brace myself for what’s to come!
The fact that I liked the shoes at 6:54... Then when I heard you’re coming over my fence I somehow managed to see all the flaws... Your power is unmatched haha.
All hail our Lady of Salt and her work ethic. Go take a break. You spoil too much and omg.
That wiki. Just THINK OF THE NEWBIES. THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD RESOURCES. (Caplock totally necessary) F yeah lolita, lolitatips. Also those pictures....
*screaming in terror*
Their description of the Nabokov novel: 😱
The "Gothic is the most popular" is repeated on a Lolita wiki I found while trying to compare shopping services so I guess it's just floated around the uninitiated spheres for a while
I think gothic USED to be more prominent before the rise of sweet and OTT sweet.
This stuff looks very similar to advice I've read when I got into Lolita in the late 2000's. Not only the shoes, but the word kodona was used back then too, it really feels like it hasn't been updated.
Please make a series of these. Seeing you rip Wiki How a new one has been very enjoyable:)
"Make a series of these" of what, bad lolita fashion sources? If so, yes!
Rufflechat managed a week without riot: Oh no Tyler it broke already
the raw mad about nabokov's novel was very real, omg
.... Wow.
Side bar how do I get a picket fence out of my body. Instructions unclear went to wikihow.
As someone from Ohio its completely called for, but it should be corn. God theres so much corn....
Everything is on the cob Morty. ITS ALL ON THE COB!
Been to Ohio, can confirm.
Live in Ohio, can confirm
I was not entirely sure if I was watching LWLN or if my drink had simply been drugged and I was proceeding to go on an unprecedented acid trip while seeing amd hearing all the snippits from that wikihow.
Hey.. I like my ugly shoes haha (though they are all cream so I suppose that helps).
My default shoe tends to be Clarks, got 3 pairs of their Mary Janes court shoes. Sue me it isn't a lolita brand lol but they work well with classic!
"A frilly potato in the middle of Ohio." I feel personally targeted, you frilly fiend
Glad to see you active again. Welcome back 💖
Make the mini series... my brian is still crying...
Tyler PLEASE make a series out of this, omg. I love your commentary
Omg! I remember reading articles just like this back when I was trying to get in to lolita back in like 2011-2012 hahaha
I...
I've never personally worn anything arguably in line with Lolita fashion, and even I Cannot Even with that Wiki How article.
Who are these 37 writer/editors?
they were mostly....people with no clue that what they were doing was wrong. about 60% were fixing formatting or spelling errors without dealing with content at all. the original was...very clearly written in 2011 by someone with Little-Middle Sister levels of understanding who just wanted to help, and then edited repeatedly by some "lolitas at heart". A lot of good things were removed or edited into terribleness. An early version actually links to the lolita fashion wiki.
Can I ask a possibly odd question? Someone I was showing these videos to pointed it out and I didn't have an answer. Did Mana do something wrong (other than being off kilter) or does Tyler just not like him? She makes fun of him a lot and I was curious.
I think she just jokes about him.
Thank you for making so many videos lately!! I know these take a lot of work, we appreciate it ^^
Saddest part is that I read this and thought that this was true before I found this channel. 😅
I had to go find that article...it was updated about an hour ago with much better information.
I am honestly so happy I get my information about lolita from people like you, Tyler. Thanks to you and Lor, I now know how to begin... I cannot believe the stupidity of this wikihow article...
I checked wikihow's article about this, and they've changed pretty much everything according to what Tyler said in this video. So that's always something, I guess.
Your religous fury reminds me of myself hearing a mix of Spice Girls with NIN.
I definitely helped write and edit that article in like..... 2009? 2008? I have distinct memories of adding the bangs thing and a line about hime cuts.
At first glance I thought she was wearing cat ears 😂😂
This is way you should wake up properly before watching anything else than coffee maker
I manage to get my friend (who not even in lolita) to watch Tyler's videos.
Dont worry she likes them🤣
My hubby never wanted to any time I asked. Buttttt..... our computers are kiddie cornerdesked and we were playing wow when a few videos came out and I clicked the notices up. I hear him chuckling so hard I thought he was going to spit his drink out at one point, and look to see him peering over my shoulder at the visuals she was describing. So now he hears the lwln's music and suddenly has a casual need to sit next to me for a moment. Not to watch of course, but yeah he is watching lol.
I can tell I've been bingeing your videos too much bc I can say the intro along with you in the exact cadence and tone without trying
If I didn’t love this fashion so much I would NEVER wear it outside cause I have severe anxiety but my love for this fashion goes WAYYYY beyond that. 🌸💕🎀🏳️🌈
You have outdone yourself this week Tyler. Such great material to work with. Holy Shit. I'm having a great day! Thank you!
Listening to you describe trying to score AP reminds me of when I used to try to score custom cloth diapers and baby carriers 😂 I can so relate!
This must be my favourite video of yours. My sides are still hurting.
Cis(ish), het, male, 30s, not into any fashion, depise facebook but i just gotta keep pointing out how entertaining this is for non-lolitas. Love you ranting about the agruments online, great presenting. Can i ask if you listen to the Bugle podcast? Or if you have a view on it? Its what launched John Oliver so figured its reasonably likely you have. Keep up the good work!
Same here. I know Tyler IRL and watched one of her vids out of curiosity. It's now been several years, and I keep coming back every week for the rhetoric and leaning. I'm also slowly learning everything I never wanted to know about lolita fashion through osmosis and loving it. O_O
Pickle cool to know it's not just me 👍 I think she would be good a politics or environmental issue videos too, but there's loads of folk doing that so this is a nice niche to have. Have a good day Pickle
I think that Christmas tour part you talked about was the one I attended last year in December omg 😂 it was so weird for us to be asked to do so but it was funny
My favorite pillar of salt, snark, and linguistic ninja warrior escapades.
I’ve been waiting for this episode tbh
I simply love your delivery, please keep it up until I die, thanks!
Please make a series of this, I would love to see more episodes like this😃
Yes!!! Make this a series!!!!
Please turn this into a series! I haven't laughed this hard in a while
That article left me speechless
thank you for blessing us with more and more content
Yes we need more salty series! Love your salty heart
You could make a series out of ANYTHING and I would watch 😂💜😂💜😂💜😂
For a second I thought you were wearing pink cat ears and nearly had a heart attack
I would love to see you pick through more of these "how to videos"
So many videos this week! You're the best Tyler!
I love this consistent update schedule and the video itself! Great episode!
I don't know if anyone has noticed this yet, but I've literally just looked at that same article and it looks like someone has updated it and made it more accurate. Which is nice.
The fact that I read the wikihow but don't remember most of this either means I dissociated for two minutes while scanning the page or I repressed it like I do with every other trauma I've experienced
Tyler you are truly blessing us with all of these videos. Please take care not to overwork yourself!
I remember reading that article a week ago, and I was horrified. But I have some good news someone edited the wikia, and it now has more accurate information.
literally not a single person goes harder than tyler
Yes! I was waiting for you to find this particular wiki how article. There's so much more where that came from on wiki how, but the one you covered is the worst.
I've only just finished the ruffle chat segment and i feel like I've lost countless brain cells. i can't imagine what the rest of the fucking video is gonna be.
PLEASE MAKE THIS VIDEO A SERIES
(it will please you all to know that it is VASTLY improved now)
Please make this a series
I think Lor has just done a video on the Wiki Lolita 😁
Yes please make a series if you have the time and energy to :)
Please find more wiki articles
Please make this a series 🤣
Whew, what a ride. A horrifying, traumatic ride.
Madame Saltlita, Okay tbh I did find a nice lolible blouse at forever 21 ruffles lace. Just had to dig for it.
I anxiously await the Frilly Potato release
Eurgh. Canes as a fashion accessory. So many goths and steampunks use them in this way so when I actually need to use mine because of pain I don't get taken seriously.
+100000 points for the Regretsy reference.
Omg I must find this article now just to salt over with others hahahaha
Honestly I’m not surprised with the Wiki How article. Wiki how is always terrible.
I would love a series of analyzing bad Lolita advice articles!!!
Not even gunna lie. I have been eyeing those shoes for years. Forgive me Tyler for I have sinned! 😭😭
Ipatchcat how did I know I would find you here?
@@Moonlitsonata93 >_> lol l. You know me too well
Painful series, bring it
please make a series please please please
"illegal baby yeeting" is the best thing I've heard this month
You're spoiling us!
Love the new words I learn...I missed..."it all started in Rufflechat......
I too am a pile of salt
WikiHow is THE literal worst for..well, everything.
6:32 the Lolita WikiHow about 4-5 years ago was actually pretty good and said all the stuff a lot of Lolita’s say. Now it seems to have been edited to the point of trash >.
Going to my first meetup and now I'm scared were gonna get asked to do something lol
Sode note my dress has a tiny stain, I don't have time to wash it again so I'm trying everything to get it out, help.
To be fair, Hellocon is a lolita convention so that makes at least one. This year they have Angelic Pretty as a guest.
Shoe wise where is everyone getting shoes for lolita? cause I'm a US size 9 yet everywhere I go the shoes are smaller size :(
" half of you would still burn water"
😎
I like chunky lolita shoes and arm warmers, if I can afford it and it looks cute I'll take it lol xD
Sic em! Man that was a fun one lol
Had to go to the page and say something. Want to join wikihow so I can be one of the authors to edit the crap out of that page.
Surprised to see my story about a baby being left with us made it onto your video! I was 16 at the time and sat directly next to the baby, and was very uncomfortable lol
Butch up??? So flannels and sneakers are lolita now?
Flanenel lolita is the new thing it seems xD
@@psychotophatcat Heck yeah!
I'm in!
Is it not pervert not pervert?
And this is why i love you
I have those shoes in black & white. I still like them!
Lol that wiki how article got updated since this was posted...
the r/lolita joke about n00blitas personally scalped me i swear im a changed man
i didn't think those shoes with pink bows were that bad!