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I used to start on a g502 with a really high sens and now I play on an HSK pro with a really low sens. I've recently enjoyed the sens randomizer in aimlabs for my practice. Voltaic does well to explain why things like that don't ruin muscle memory and it really gives access to all the aiming muscles you'd wanna use naturally.
Optimizing for muscle memory is so difficult. Mouse feet deteriorate, mouse pads get stickier over time, and the temperature of the room changes the feel via humidity. Even if it "ruins your muscle memory" with a sens randomizer you are training your brain to adapt better which probably helps with other variables that you cannot control like mouse feet.
@@CommandoBlack123 Difference is, that happens overtime. Your brain is VERY VERY good at adapting to things that happen slowly. Its the reason why progressive overload works in say weightlifting. But if you just straight up hop into 500 pounds when you haven't even lifted 100 pounds yet you are going to injure yourself or wont even be able to lift that weight. Same applies to aiming. You have muscle memory, Its not even a debate and i don't know why people try to debate it. If you are a good player sure you can switch sen's and still keep most of your aim in tact because you are experienced, you understand the "aiming tactics" (Crosshair placement, waiting for enemys to run into your crosshair instead of trying to track their strafe etc) and those tactics do not rely on your "reaction time" or "raw aim / muscle memory". BUT you will NEVER play at your peak. Only a mere 60-70% of it. You can only ever play at your peak if you let your muscle memory build up and then go into a flow state. You can't enter flow if you are constantly trying to adapt to new sensitivities. So while random sens might be good to figure out what you like the best, or getting a bit of experience with higher / lower sens they are 100% ruining your muscle memory. You only want to use stuff like that if you are experimenting.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin Its a well known fact now that changing up sens and other variables is shown to IMPROVE muscle memory and your ability to aim. Your weightlifting comparison is close but is unfortunately too different of a thing to really compare to aiming, it'd be more accurate to compare it to something like art. An artist who only uses the brush and colors they are comfortable with, will never be a truly great artist. The flow state thing you mention is also kind of wrong, getting "too used" to something is actually a pretty bad thing, cause if we just let our muscle memory do all the work instead of actually using our brain, we are basically using the "habit" part of our brain which is made for simple repetitive tasks, instead of the active "focus" part of our brain, so that's when we start performing super badly even if our aim feels on point. The true "flow state" is when you are so focused and honed it that its like a super computer, you are making all the right decisions and are so on point aim wise cause you are so focused, which is something we can really only access when we aren't too comfortable (hence why it always seems to happen in high stress or clutch scenarios).
The example about targeting 8x larger area with 8x lower sensitivity misses other key points: You're aiming at 8x larger area but the movement you need to perform is 8x longer and you need to perform it 8x faster in order to target enemy at the same time as high sensitivity example. It doesn't make it 8x easier as it seems, it only shifts aspects of aiming that will determine the result. What i mean isn't that 5 cm/360 is justified. My point is different settings put different focus on different aspects, you need to find what's your limitation point (precission, speed, consistency etc) and adjust settins accordingly. What i like to bring on such examples is comparision of aiming at long ranges vs short ranges which is similar situation. At long ranges you need to move at X times smaller target, that also moves X slower than shorter ranges, does it make it easier or harder? IMO it only shifts focus from how fast you're abled to accelerate/decelerate at close range while keeping as much control as possible vs how precise can you be with single pixel increments.
As someone who always struggle to keep one sens for more than a day here is how i'm trying to fix it, feel free to give advices if you have good ones. 1. Accept that no matter what sens i'll play at there will be work to be done, whether it's on my tracking, flicking or anything else. 2. Setup a sens that would allow me to do a perfect, easy and comfortable 180° with my eyes closed, this way i can base it off something that is not skill related like most videos recommend you to do (tracking/flicking etc) 3. If my sens feels too slow i cut it in half, if it feels too fast i double it, doing that for a couple of minutes trick my brain into thinking that my sens is neither too fast or too slow. 3a. main sens (csgo) = 2 -> 1 or 4 depending if it feels to slow or too fast. the reason i chose to use the 180 method over every other methods i found is because they all rely on current mouse control instead of "potential". in csgo for example i can play pretty much every sens from 1.5 up to 2.5 (70cm up to 40cm/360) without real issue, therefore making the choices really hard for me. With this method i ended up at 2 at 400dpi in csgo (51.9cm/360) and no matter what game i play i always land within that range (50-53cm/360) i just go into a training ground or smth and do the 180 with my eyes closed, if i can do it 10 times in a row then i consider it being good to go. i don't know if it's the best way to do it but at least this way i'm not overthinking as much as i used to.
For me each game is different aim wise, some needs lower sens and some would feel better at higher. Deciding factor is how big are hit boxes and how smooth or reactive player movement, does it have verticality to it or it's just horizontal, on which range you usually fight. If I consider all of it my sens usually shapes itself
The thing is to take a sens and stick with it for a while. Get used to how it feels and how to use it. Only then do adjustments. And yes, how a sens feels will differ from game to game. Not just because some need more rapid turns and others precise tracking, but also because flicks depend on fov. If you see an enemy at the edge of your screen and yo do a flick on them, the higher the fov, the more you have to turn and the more you have to move your mouse.
No, no tf hes not lmao for one he said that copying a pro players settings is better than staying on whatever settings is comfortable and changing them slowly as you go on organically is better because he said so. Like he literally assumes with no actual reasoning besides makes sense to me so it's gotta be the uncomfortable player that will do better and improve quicker bc pro settings better which might be right depending on the game and severity of change but not because one player will have better aim it's because one player has more optimal binds/settings that do actions quicker not a more "optimal" sensitivity. Oh yeah also, let's just ignore all the Quake players right? ya know the ones running around with mouse 4 or mouse 1 instead of W yeah lets just throw them on wasd and see what happens surely they'll adapt soo much quicker than staying on their normal settings they've had for 20+ years
To all people with ultra high sensitivity, afraid of changes. My early gaming career was 2-3cm/360 too. Then I started to play CSGO, watched some guides, and they taught me how to utilize my wrist and elbow. I set my sens to 50cm/360, and it was kind of extreme at first, but once I started using my wrist and elbow more, it really didn't take long to adjust. Then, I started playing faster paced games like Apex, Overwatch. 50cm/360 was too slow, and I was afraid of breaking my "muscle memory". I came across some video that said that pros and generally experienced people can adjust sensitivity on the fly, and adjust fairly quickly within the same gaming session. I increased my sens, and... it was true. My 180 turns were too fast, I overaimed a few times, but I got used naturally without thinking about what I was doing wrong. My sens changed a few times throughout the year - 37-41cm/360, and lately even 32-33, and it didn't affect my performance in a bad way at all. It takes me a few shots, turns, and I'm all set. I have more than one mouse, some have bigger dpi deviation, some faster feet, some have sensor more towards the front (Orochi for example) - it all affects sensitivity, and yet, I don't really need weeks/months to adjust. I can even jump into a firing range, grab my desktop non-gaming mouse set to half dpi of my gaming ones, and aim just fine. So yea, don't be afraid to experiment, be open minded, and you'll be able to use different sens in no time!
Exactly, y'all be underestimating our millions of years of hand-eye coordination evolution. You get used to a new sens within hours. So experiment a lot!
@@achillesa5894with me i get worse the more i use a sens, every 3-4 weeks i will suddenly be terrible again with the new sens i got used to. Idk why it happens but im convinced its genetics
@@IDKWHAT2NAMETHISS it's possible that when you use a sens too much your brain goes into habit mode while if you keep changing it you keep your brain in a more active state, I'm pretty sure that's a thing for things we do in general, not sure if it applies here though 🤔
Awesome video, your product looks amazing. I'll add that body size (among other things) also plays a massive role in ergonomics. If someone is going to copy a professional to the T, it's really important to consider the differences in that professional's and one's body. A mouse that's right for TenZ may not be the right *size* for someone else, as an example. Just a story about myself: I used to play CS:S in amateur divisions and even pulled a sponsorship for a while. I'm also a classically trained percussionist (played professionally for years, I have a degree as well). We study ergonomics and how to use our equipment as "idiomatic" as possible, meaning best lent to match ergonomics to the music being played. (This is like how different video games have different best sensitivities.) Long story short, I developed Tendonitis, because I simply was practicing/performing music too often and for far too long. What I learned from that experience that's relevant to this video, is that I learned the painful way how much of that Tendonitis was actually developed *playing* Counter-Strike. Something to think about. I've deployed most of my ergonomics training to my gaming setup, and my performance went way up. It was like a light switch, and honestly something I should have known better from the start. It's the kind of thing you don't think about until it's too late.
Hey man love your content! You have a great and natural way to describe alot of motor learning and adaptation principles associated with aim. Great to see it being simplified while also considering the nuance!
I used to use 33cm/360 but then I found I work best with 41.5cm/360. I’m not the best aimer by any stretch, LEM CSGO & Diamond OW, but that’s a big jump from what I used to be, MGE CSGO & Plat OW. Could also be because I switched from aggressive claw to relaxed fingertip or it could be both.
I copied the eDPI of a professional gamer (Demon1 from Val) your comment got me thinking how much a 360 takes in terms of mouse movement. It's 81cm/32in! No wonder I bought a larger mouse mat.
There’s so little videos about REPEATING chair angle to the table or hand position on the table. My accuracy shoots up by 10% in same conditions in Aimlabs when aligning for optimal glide of mouse. It’s so hard to understand how exactly to know what feeling of something’s off means exactly. Like what movement to make to correct it? Could you make a video explaining how to get into repeatable position step by step? My position is perfectly ergonomic for 15 hours of intense aim, yet it’s very hard to repeat once someone touched chair and it has to be angled again.
I would have never though about lower sens meaning you have a much larger area to flick to or track in while aiming at a target. I already play at fairly low sens because I get a bit jittery but having this obvious thing pointed out I might just lower it a little more. Awesome vid, liked and subscribed baby
that's why I spent nine years perfecting the style of aiming with my long sword. people told me it wasn't comfortable but thanks to this video I can confidently say those wizards won't be laughing when they see me again.
I trained and coached archery for several years and this problem is very true even there. Some coaches even learn students that "Do what feels good and works for you" which mean the archer will develop bad habits incredibly hard to break when they are set instead of adapting correct form from the start, even if it feels odd att first. What works at first might hinder progress in the end.
I hit a plateau last year. Cut my sense by about half and immediately improved my tracking. After adjusting to the new macros my flicks are just as good as before with the benefits of lowering my sense. I can't imagine the sense settings where a sneeze will send you into an mlg montage spin.
I did that a couple years ago and it helped a lot. And another thing that helped me improve was how I treated fights and retreats. I stopped trying to force the kill and instead pulled back more, to give me time to reposition and engage again under more favorable circumstances.
I can confirm that this is true after switching from default to a pro setting. This dragged me into another world - there are lots of variations amongst the pros! Take for example dpi - they’re split between 400, 800, and 1600 mostly (there are others, but we’re talking majority here). These differences in dpi, of course, mean huge differences in game sensitivity settings due to the dpi differences. Using a dpi converter also confirms that they do not all equalize to approximately the same sensitivity. But I believe most players struggling with aim tend to suffer from tiny mouse movements/jitter even while aiming directly at a target. The solution, I believe, is to keep lowering your sensitivity making it harder for adrenaline to create these minor jitters resulting in less precise aim. You’re essentially having the mouse assist you in keeping your sim on target. Note that this is not just being on target but getting to target and stabilizing on it - if your sensitivity is too high, it will take longer to stop on target - seems wrong right ? If my sensitivity is faster, I should get to the target faster! It’s not about getting to the target faster, but getting there and locking on it. Though the 10000 dpi will certainly get there faster, locking on it will take longer. Using an aim trainer can help, but they should include over/under shoot and time around target/jitter stats so you can adjust your sensitivity accordingly.
In most games there is a range where pros tend to sit. Obviously with exceptions, but they tend to be somewhat in the same range. Where that range is depends on the game. Aim heavy games like CS will have slower sens than flick and turn heavy games.
For me I think the argument for aiming with what's most comfortable is far stronger for me after having to do physical therapy twice a month for over year for a long time I was playing like 44 cm starlight 12 small , at this point I play about 28 cm now and pulsar X2 medium , My aim was a lot better back then, however nowadays I don't even have to go to physical therapy
a lot of people who say to use a comfortable sens also say it should be in a reasonable range for whatever game its for. i agree that a newer player should start by using what the pros use until they get better and then find their own settings and grip style, etc. Great video!
I would actually like to this test. Get 2 people who have never used mouse and keyboard, make one copy a pros settings and gear, and the other needs to find something they like. See how different the stats are.
Do that with CS and you find settings that people used 20 years ago on a WMO 1.1a and 17'' CRTs. Because people tend to copy whatever the pros use, become pros themselves, other people copy the same settings, and the settings just keep sticking around. And modern mice and systems can do much better.
@@HappyBeezerStudios This is not true at all. There are many many pros who trained very hard to "reinvent the wheel" figuring their own settings out fully. And guess what they figured out in about 80% cases? Claw grip, full arm movement, heavy wrist movement, 800 dpi, low game sens, accell off: WORKS....
@@cheyhey2170 Not necessarily, personally I think mouse accel is the next step after you have reached your personal maximum natural aim potential. Could help iron out any weak points of your natural aim. Lets say you know you have reached your potential after idk a decade of consistent practice, you notice you have issues with micro adjustment with a given ideal sensitivity for a specific game, you could use mouse accel to fine tune, and maintain what you consider to be a perfect sensitivity for said game, and lower the sense for smaller adjustments. That way you have maximum speed, and maximum precision for micro adjustments. In my opinion mouse accel is end game.
I once did an interesting experiment. I turned on the system program Paint and with my eyes closed drew a circle. It turned out that what came out was a vertically flattened ellipse. After that, I increased the vertical sensitivity of the mouse by 50%. Using RawAccel. The subsequent circles drawn looked much better. To this day I use this setting in every game and it plays perfectly.
I think one thing to note is that if you have your elbow as a pivot your wrist will hover of your desk where as if you use your wrist as a pivot, your elbow will hover slightly of the desk. It depends on whether you aim with arm or wrist.
Mouse dpi , screen size, mouse pad space, windows settings, in game settings and personal preferences all play a part in your performance. Copying a pros settings will only get you so far.
I remember that when i first got my pc, I played minecraft with 100% sensitivity. Now I play on 25% (which is around 50cm/360) and 100% feels literally unplayable.
As i agree that usually lower sensitivity + practice makes you more accurate, its not always the case bcs of a lot of reasons. Im playing fps since cs 1.6 era, playing other games like valorant, quakelive a lot etc and i have found that what people rarely talk about is elbow aiming which i am doing bcs i have restricted wrist movement. What i mean is that usually people on higher sens tend to finger grip and just randomly wrist left and right, when i aim i have elbow bone on desk and my wrist is stiff and just moving my arm left and right and im far more comfortable and precise like that than i was on lower sens. In cs go i had like 4k hours with low sens maxed faceit lvl 5 or 6 if i remember, after 80h of switch to like 15cm/360 in cs go i had lvl 9 and rising.. I dont say its better but what im saying there is a lot of factors that make you aim/track/flick better in either sens.
I agree that "it feels comfortable" is indeed the wrong approach. People should be thinking "that feels accurate". When you point at a door handle with your finger does that feel comfortable or does it feel accurate? In my opinion pointing with a mouse is similar to pointing with a finger. When it doesn't feel accurate it either feels too fast or too slow to do that 180 flick shot.
This seems like it's just been misinterpreted, as people who have already dropped their sensitivity and gotten used to it eventually ask the question again about sensitivity. Once upon a time, before esports and competitive gaming got this big (only 7-8 years ago), only pros and high level players thought about sensitivity. Now new players ask this question and read old responses or responses from people who were already adjusted. It's taken time for the answers to change properly. It was genuinely surprisng how many more people suddenly gave a shit about aiming after games like apex and valorant came out.
Because the large majority of games released these days are crossplay with downright broken aim assist (rotational assist) so it's no surprise that average MnK players are more curious about how to aim better.
I benefit more from working with the variables as well - Albeit not identical to your suggestions. Do include changing devices frequently, new/always fresh games + running "ice cold hot drop starts" - as opposed to warmed up. Also avoid over familiarizing with games for the reasons you provided and others of my own. I tend to leave dpi at default and change game sensitivity sliders often. Transferrable skills flow into the aspects of the game naturally. Same with the situational plays and keeping as many things dynamic as possible fosters growth. Our response times are altered by other life factors. Fingers/extremities only vs adaptive more complete arm motion points working in unison are critical points to differentiate and this is very concise. Martial arts and sports concepts allow the spontaneity and fluidity, and form to take a natural shape around our best traits. All depends on which aspect we build or styles of play from. Asymmetry is definitely our friend if we seek to extend. Our individual natures are not identical nor are our physiologies. You make perfect sense opinions or otherwise. How to know strength spectrum without awareness and understanding of the spectrum of weaknesses. Starts with introspective about what is contributing or removing from the position for success. It makes available potential situational adjustments expand in proportion with your time invested in a reliable way to leave comfort sooner rather than be ill-prepared to later. Initiative and focus from any perspective. Goes for your body ergonomics just as you outlined. In sport, dance, martial art and gaming included. The more nuanced physics of modern graphics, games, and input devices derived from the first devices and some things never change. Others must always be open to change, however. Enjoyed this vid and going to give some of your adjustments a rip. Expanding potential available means to use energy towards a destination in any form of plan to improve- always warrants a look/test. Appreciate your perspective and the upload. Best wishes and much respect, friend!
Literally the first thing I do when playing any game on PC is go to the options and lower the mouse sensitivity by at least a factor of 10. In literally every game, unless it's a top down game that uses my windows/2D sens.
What game are you playing between 5:30 and 5:50? I’m looking for something new to play and that game looked fun. Awesome video by the way. I am going to lower my sensitivity and readjust
Good video, I changed my aim style to ftip a while ago and it's game changing. Before I was the strait finger palm grip lol. Using your tip to use raw accell to rotate the sensor in my mouse was also super helpful for finding a comfortable way to grip my mouse.
switching to finger tip has been an insane improvement for me this year, never bothered to even think about which grip to use. just went straight with palm since forever lol
People say my sensitivity is high and they’re right, however I just grew up using a mouse pad with a little wrist rest and limited mouse space, even with the room I have on my desk as an adult i still use a little crappy mouse pad with a wrist rest. All my flicking comes from my wrist and fine adjustment in my fingers. I use 1.15 sensitivity on CS2 and 2400 DPI which is 15.05cm/360°
with going to lower sens i found it best to lower it over time rather then just taking a massive leap from crazy high to crazy low, definitely made the whole process more comfortable
I get what you mean, but that kinda fully contradicts the point. Something might be uncomfortable for a bit but you'll get comfortable with it very fast :)
Its more comfortable but will just hinder your performance. You just spend an eternity in a wierd adaptive period where youre only at like 70% of your ability instead of taking the leap, playing like shit for two weeks and then being on top of your game again.
true true. for me personally i was dropping from like 8 to 0.2 so it was a huge leap for me but i went down in like increments of 2. so went from 8 to 6 etc etc@@Ocerry1
if anybody has more questions i’d look at a coach named Titanos who knows more than anybody about aiming. you have a natural sensitivity that you should be using to where your natural flicks tend to land directly on target. the guys really good.
Ive been using my g502 for a long time, it was my first ‘gaming mouse’ and i cant use anything else mainly because of the extra buttons on the side. I use the extra weights in it as well so its 139 grams. I prefer the heavy mouse as it allows me to be more precise without having my mouse glide all over my mouse pad. I have my chairs arm rests just slightly above my desk so that way im not leaning on my wrist and more on my forearm/elbow. For reference i play at 1900dpi and 0.55 sens in CS which according to aiming.pro is 39.7cm/360. I feel like i could lower it more with practice.
I feel like it’s comparable to an inexperienced basketball player being told to shoot however feels comfortable. That may work better in the short term, but if the same player began by mimicking great pro shooters’ form they would have a much higher skill ceiling & level of consistency in the long run 💯
yeah something like 3cm/360 is obviously not something you will be to aim on a high level with but I do believe that comfort is still a very important factor for aiming and gaming even if your goal is to improve as much as possible. With 50cm/360° you may aim better but if the game you play is fast paced with rocket jumps as the main movement method you'll be exhaused quickly on such a low sens and you even risk injuring yourself if you play for long hours. If you play such a game on a sens that feels comfortable like 25cm/360° your aim will be worse initially but you can play for longer with lower risk of injury so you have more time that you can spend improving. And its the same thing with mousepad and mouse shape. Chosing something that's comfortable recuces risk of injury and exhaustion so you can play for longer. Obviously you have to find a comprimise of something being comfortable and something that you can aim with well. In 2020 during the Diabotical beta weekends I played the game all weekend long and every time after the weekend my arm was in pain and I had to stop playing games until the next beta weekend. Since then I raised my sens from 30cm to 24cm in that game, got a much faster mousepad and a large, comfortable lightweight mouse and i can play for longer without any signs of injury. And whenever I play a game where you don't move your mouse around as much so that a lower sens can be comfortable, too i can just get out my old control pad again and play on a low sens and all my aim improvements from being able to play longer previously will carry over.
great video, more people should know about the effects of mouse pad sizes, arm aiming and your elbow height compared to your desk, it truly changes you knowing these helfpul tips. I used to play on a really fast sens 2 years ago and after some research i discovered arm aiming and troughout the years i went from 27cms to what is now my range of my ideal sens (43.5 to 40 cms) i got really good with this "range" of sens (i got master 1 in aimlabs) after 300 hours of aim training but i can still improve so much i just need to find... my perfect sens X) (aimers know the struggle)
i have a long lingering question for a while now,, is training with higher sens helpful for improving mouse control or is it okay to keep only with low/easy sens
I'd just like to point out that there is a tradeoff after a certain point where you're giving up close range ability for precision. A great example is CSGO where a single 180 is rare enough already that they've traded much of their close range ability for precision. I believe the "find what's comfortable" quote comes from one better player to a decent player both at decent sensitivities. You've gotta find the sensitivity that works for you and the games you play. I'd suggest starting out at whatever the pros use for your currently most played game, use it for a few weeks, and then change it a little at a time.
After about a game or two on a new sense, I’m typically used to it. If it is way to slow I will change my play style to match that and same with way to fast.
The first tip is so true : when i started to have a good aim I trained using a chair instead of a mousepad... dont ask how I got in this situation Now i can use any setup, any sens it doesn't matter
Great video, but I'm struggling with this. In Overwatch 1, I was Grandmaster (GM) and came close to the top 500, but I hovered around GM. This year, I'm more focused and wanted to get back into it, but I've noticed deranking. The weird part is that I've been aim training, bought a light mouse, and got the recommended pad, but my rank has been getting worse, which is really confusing to me. The aim training has been great-I dabbled in it back in the day, so, fortunately, I can see that I'm a "better aimer" than I was back then. However, the results are showing me I'm worse. I just recently bought my G502 since it was my first mouse and I loved it, and I've started playing with it again. It sure is heavy compared to the GPX, but I've been doing loads better. I don't know how to explain it, but trying to do the right things was creating a mental block. In the aim scenarios, I was doing great, but in-game, it was horrible. Now that I'm back to a comfort pick, I feel much better and have been climbing back up from the depths of Diamond. I think being comfortable is highly underrated. This became clear to me after reading "The Inner Game of Tennis." I was simply trying too hard and not being free. It's so weird to describe, but my point is to not undervalue comfort.
My mouse pad covers my entire deskspace because i have abnormally long forearms, it took me a minute that having almost unlimited space was inadvertently causing me not to recenter. (These highTTK games are driving me crazy) Back in the late 2000's we used to hit no scope scout headshots on cs:s with ball mice 😅 it was all high sense basically finger tips on a tiny shitty mouse pad on a crt monitor at 60 fps. We were good, our backs hurt, our arms hurt, but we were good! Cut to today...man its taken me a hot minute to adjust to this long-term tracking thats required for shield simulators like Apex. Ive setteled on low sense finger tips. I still got that old school fast twitch wrist precision for the flicks. Just trying to figure out where to put the stuff i mapped to the side mouse buttons so i can just use my mouse for aiming and shooting and i wont have to keep switching grips mid fight to use whatever it is on 4 and 5. Cheers. Great insight dude.
the thing with sensitivity is, pros tend to be in a certain range. The range differs from game to game, but 99% of good players will be in that range. CS is a good example of a game where the typical sens is quite low, but the game needs tracking and recoil control more than fast wide flicks. I always recommend to use pro settings as guideline, but not to copy the settings of one specific player. If 80% of good players are around 30-35 cm/360, than taking that as a starting point is a good idea, but taking the 33.87326519 cm/360 that xXxProAimer666xXx uses isn''t guaranteed to work.
Exclusive fullscreen the same as borderless/fullscreen windowed/windowed fullscreen (whatever the game calls it) in modern games and on an updated version of windows.
wish I had seen this video a few years ago. Could've saved me a lot of bad training and I probably would have picked up my new favorite game, counter strike, a long time ago. My preferential sens was close to three times the pro sens. Once I realized I only suffered at range, I looked it up, put myself on the median pro sens, and now I'm on my way up the faceit ranks!
I think the absolute highest sens you should use is 20cm. Aiming is still possible at that sensitivity and I don’t see any reason anyone should have to play even that high let alone higher
This video answers a lot of questions related to sensitivity. Great piece of information as always since i know struth way of explaining long back behind kovaaks videos
first time i encounter a vid like this that says exactly that about comfort within the sense and how it can negatively serve u i made a vid just like this 1 year agoo explaining the same thing its coool to know im not crazyy
After MANY years, I just went down from 2400 eDPI to 680 for CS. Could not believe how much more I was hitting, and I already thought my aim was decent.
It can’t be stated enough how much hardware influences performance in FPS. Using a low sens setup with a heavy mouse feels absolutely horrendous and you throw your mouse too hard everywhere because you feel like it isn’t moving fast enough. At the bare minimum you need a big mousepad , a chair that gives you the correct height , 100 fps average and a mouse under 100g to know how good you really are.
Besides age (don't get old, reflexes stop reflexing), one thing that is suboptimal for my setup is my desk is an inch too high. That angle causes it to drag more than it needs to. I am dying to buy a sit stand desk so I can dial in the perfect height.
Barring genetic factors, so long as you have a healthy active lifestyle, balanced diet, and good sleep your reflexes shouldn't really decline in the way most people imagine it will.
When I started playing FPS on the computer I heard all over the place to "stop changing your sensitivity." It's probably been five years since then. I have more than likely only experimented (as in played with for longer than a month) with a little under/ over a handful of sensitivities. Did I take this advice too literally? Was this recommended to players who have issues committing to a feel (playing with a sensitivity for longer than < a month? Anyways, I'm lowering my sensitivity, I'll let you know how it goes. See you soon.
i range from 47 to 57 cm/360 across every game i play. in fact i prefer 51-55 cm/360 regardless of game. maybe this is because im an arena shooter player by heart but i consider overwatch to be a slow game compared to something like Tribes Ascend where you can Ski Snipe. best player I have ever seen aim plays at an extremely low sens and I've never turned back lol.
This is great stuff man. I’m on a reasonably low sens, but after watching this I’ll try a very low sens. I’ll also need a new desk and chair… and monitor… shit, I’ll just try the sens change for now.
I agree, lower sens tend to perform better than faster once, hence the reason why SkittleCakes being one of the top player in APEX is so mind boggling. The sens he plays on is outrageous.
Lower sense is definitely needed on a game like apex, I play a lot of snd in cod and I only ever snipe so I run really high sens when I turn down my sens aim with snipers is garbage but good with other guns
There is less input lag playing on windowed fullscreen than fullscreen since windows 10 btw just try it if you really sensitive to input lag like me you should see a big difference. (ofc if you have 20 program opened in background it wont be as efficient).
Tbh, I somewhat disagree. For the average person, yes changing sens will be benificial. But for pros already on high sens, no need to fix it. Just like how some NBA shooters have weird form - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
My general rule has always been a full 360 with my mouse pad width. So from one side to the other I can do a full 360. My mouse pad is 40cm so it turns out that rule was pretty solid
To play like the pros exactly tho requires same setup as them and they are given their setups I think since on teams and are high end system that casuals or non pros can't always afford. I know my sens has progressively gotten slower over time.
Hi bro! thanks for the advice. I still have a question. Very often professional players in apex, warzone use sens in the same amount as from the hip and other players use sens in the sight slower than from the hip. What do you think about it? does it make sense to use the same sense in the scope ?
No it doesn’t for most people. In CoD using relative 0.00 is best for most as it gives you focal length scaling. For Apex just don’t change per zoom sens and you’ll have focal length scaling. This will adjust sens based on the field of view change and make it feel more consistent
I think the lighter the mouse is, the easier it is to lower the speed, and inversely. that's why you see a lot of people with poor aim with a G502, because it's so heavy and there's a lot of momentum, and hard to pick up, it's a lot harder to lower the Speed. the problem is our monkey brains thinking that heavier = built better, so you see a mouse that weighs 30g and think that it must be made out of nothing, but ofc modern design techniques have made this a moot point where both heavy and light mice are built well, but personally I think a lot of mice makers make the mouse heavier to make up for it's poor build quality.
In some cases there is just a lot of stuff inside that adds weight. But that doesn't mean that every mouse over 70g is completely unsable. There is simply a practical weight range just like how there is a practical speed range.
Nice vids. I’ve used high sensitivity for a longtime then i switched to a low sens to try and it’s night and day when you take in count accuracy. But it’s a hard switch when you have to constantly turn around so i switched back to high sens but then i decreased it incrementally during the course of many months until i feel comfortable. So that’s it, don’t do big jumps in sens, lower it incrementally so that you feel only small changes that you can adapt fast to :)
youll get used to the end result faster if you just switch to it instantly. doing small jumps down just fucks up muscle memory everytime and will decrease your performance. which can obviously then cause mental slumps because shit doesnt feel right. so figure out a sens and lock it in.
Playing games is like driving a car. 90% of the people have a poor posture and don't even realise it makes all the difference when operating their machine at the limit. Leverage is everything
one thing i just recently realized when retesting to find my hipfire sensitivity is that when i try to strafe and stay aimed at one spot, going farther to the side my aim or mouse jitters a little when trying to stay centered. Is that a tracking issue from skates or pads or more sensitivity itself?
well your hand could be shakey. it could also be sticky skates/mousepad or tracking issues of the sensor on your mousepad. make sure the mouse youre using has a so called "flawless sensor" built in. low fps/polling rate can also lead to stutter ofc.
One question because I see that you are using mousepad with bigger area but still dedicated to mouse only. Is there any specific reason for that? Is mousepads for both mouse and keyboard (like 90x40 cm) are worse or is it just your preference? Maybe ine the future you will go thru this topic? Because you go deeply in topics with huge number of useful details which is exceptional in yt. Great content - always watching will pleasure.
the mousepad hes using on top is the better one, probably quite expensive and/or might be not available bigger. the huge pad underneath is probably so his arm doesnt stick on the table surface :)
Deskmats are usually just some random cheap brand off Amazon. There are some companies that make desk sized mousepads they are very good in quality, but they are usually much more expensive. I use an Artisan Hayate Otsu Xsoft, which is already quite expensive, I couldn't imagine there being a bigger size for a reasonable price. I assume you have yet to fall into the rabbit hole of mousepads? So many different textures and variations that cannot be found on desk sized pads. So really there is no reason other than he likes that particular mouse pad and possibly doesn't have a bigger size, or he swaps his mousepad a lot.
box breathing could help you out. scientifically one way humans can alter stress levels. also just being used to it could help, i don’t know your situation if you have been gaming for years or not. and remember games are for fun no reason to not be calm
@@rvD_869 "overthinking" means in a situation where you need to already have a plan youre still trying to figure out what to do, am i right? solution would be to just play more, get more experience. that will give you a better sense for whats probably about to happen and whats still possible to do - and because youve already been in the exact or at least a lot of similar situations you will be way calmer :) sounds trivial but its the same for driving a car and any other sports irl.
really depends on the game but a general rule of thumb is to dissect that question, why should you be stressed when you see enemies? is it because you have lack of confidence in yourself the be able to handle them? havent you made a plan for the scenario at hand? etc building up this ego booster should allow you to be confident in yourself to be calm enough to clutch... and one more thing to note is you just need repetition/practice of these scenarios that you feel nervous over in a 1v5 clutch? instead of thinking "ohh no i m done for" just think something egotistical like "time to feast in their blood" and have an idea as to what you wanna do and how detailed should that plan be (you can make detailed plans subconsciously the more you are used to the situation)
@HappyBeezerStudios I guess that logic makes sense as well. But full 360 on whatever mouse space you have side to side. This will give you your quick swipe 180. I do this with any different dpi I play on. Very easy to fond you in-game sensitivity for different games by doing this.
Some of the best aimers in Quake uses Palm grip, but, they don't exceed 22cm/360 and even that is considered high for Quake. So think about that. I stopped playing csgo and changed to Quake so I had to double my low sens and I got used to it very fast. The same goes for when I'm playing CSGO now and decrease my sens. I get used to it literally in 10min. People need to stop buying into the "you will ruin your muscle memory" because you won't. All csgo pro's who also is predator in Apex have 2 completely different sens for the two games so the muscle memory myth is really bs
Finally, I have always wondered why I should lower my sens? when It benefit my small mouse pad n flexibility with low mouse movement to turn 360. I realise its not just abt accuracy with improvements in muscle memory over time but also decreases the zone to flick. Thanks man, imma try and train myself in lower sens.
What about setting your scoped sensitivities to a 1:1 ratio with hipfire ? Is it a good ideea for anything else other than a 1x ? If not what ratios would you recommend for bigger zooms?
Kinda depends on the game as they use different calculations. For me, 1:1 isn't quite right because the FOV isn't 1:1. I tend to pick two spots, aim between the two to gauge mouse distance. Scope in and move between the two points so that the distance feels natural for the change in FOV, in some games that's slightly slower than the last for each zoom step. In CS I use 1.29 sensitivity and 0.9 zoom_sensitivity
this is all personal opinion though. unless you are trying to be a pro, use what's comfortable. i use 1800 dpi and roughly medium sensitivity in game and i have good aim. you'll get better at whatever you're playing over time due to familiarity
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whats your apex sens and mouse sens ?
Bought your mouse mod for my xm1r
Do you take in consideration coaching sessions?
I used to start on a g502 with a really high sens and now I play on an HSK pro with a really low sens. I've recently enjoyed the sens randomizer in aimlabs for my practice. Voltaic does well to explain why things like that don't ruin muscle memory and it really gives access to all the aiming muscles you'd wanna use naturally.
Optimizing for muscle memory is so difficult. Mouse feet deteriorate, mouse pads get stickier over time, and the temperature of the room changes the feel via humidity. Even if it "ruins your muscle memory" with a sens randomizer you are training your brain to adapt better which probably helps with other variables that you cannot control like mouse feet.
@@CommandoBlack123 Difference is, that happens overtime. Your brain is VERY VERY good at adapting to things that happen slowly. Its the reason why progressive overload works in say weightlifting. But if you just straight up hop into 500 pounds when you haven't even lifted 100 pounds yet you are going to injure yourself or wont even be able to lift that weight. Same applies to aiming. You have muscle memory, Its not even a debate and i don't know why people try to debate it.
If you are a good player sure you can switch sen's and still keep most of your aim in tact because you are experienced, you understand the "aiming tactics" (Crosshair placement, waiting for enemys to run into your crosshair instead of trying to track their strafe etc) and those tactics do not rely on your "reaction time" or "raw aim / muscle memory". BUT you will NEVER play at your peak. Only a mere 60-70% of it.
You can only ever play at your peak if you let your muscle memory build up and then go into a flow state. You can't enter flow if you are constantly trying to adapt to new sensitivities. So while random sens might be good to figure out what you like the best, or getting a bit of experience with higher / lower sens they are 100% ruining your muscle memory. You only want to use stuff like that if you are experimenting.
@@WorldKeepsSpinnin Its a well known fact now that changing up sens and other variables is shown to IMPROVE muscle memory and your ability to aim. Your weightlifting comparison is close but is unfortunately too different of a thing to really compare to aiming, it'd be more accurate to compare it to something like art. An artist who only uses the brush and colors they are comfortable with, will never be a truly great artist.
The flow state thing you mention is also kind of wrong, getting "too used" to something is actually a pretty bad thing, cause if we just let our muscle memory do all the work instead of actually using our brain, we are basically using the "habit" part of our brain which is made for simple repetitive tasks, instead of the active "focus" part of our brain, so that's when we start performing super badly even if our aim feels on point. The true "flow state" is when you are so focused and honed it that its like a super computer, you are making all the right decisions and are so on point aim wise cause you are so focused, which is something we can really only access when we aren't too comfortable (hence why it always seems to happen in high stress or clutch scenarios).
@@dealtanace no, its not well known, or studied or anything. Stop lying. If you dont even know how to walk, you will never reach flow.
@WorldKeepsSpinnin my man can't even do a simple google search, it seems
The example about targeting 8x larger area with 8x lower sensitivity misses other key points:
You're aiming at 8x larger area but the movement you need to perform is 8x longer and you need to perform it 8x faster in order to target enemy at the same time as high sensitivity example. It doesn't make it 8x easier as it seems, it only shifts aspects of aiming that will determine the result. What i mean isn't that 5 cm/360 is justified. My point is different settings put different focus on different aspects, you need to find what's your limitation point (precission, speed, consistency etc) and adjust settins accordingly.
What i like to bring on such examples is comparision of aiming at long ranges vs short ranges which is similar situation. At long ranges you need to move at X times smaller target, that also moves X slower than shorter ranges, does it make it easier or harder? IMO it only shifts focus from how fast you're abled to accelerate/decelerate at close range while keeping as much control as possible vs how precise can you be with single pixel increments.
As someone who always struggle to keep one sens for more than a day here is how i'm trying to fix it, feel free to give advices if you have good ones.
1. Accept that no matter what sens i'll play at there will be work to be done, whether it's on my tracking, flicking or anything else.
2. Setup a sens that would allow me to do a perfect, easy and comfortable 180° with my eyes closed, this way i can base it off something that is not skill related like most videos recommend you to do (tracking/flicking etc)
3. If my sens feels too slow i cut it in half, if it feels too fast i double it, doing that for a couple of minutes trick my brain into thinking that my sens is neither too fast or too slow.
3a. main sens (csgo) = 2 -> 1 or 4 depending if it feels to slow or too fast.
the reason i chose to use the 180 method over every other methods i found is because they all rely on current mouse control instead of "potential". in csgo for example i can play pretty much every sens from 1.5 up to 2.5 (70cm up to 40cm/360) without real issue, therefore making the choices really hard for me.
With this method i ended up at 2 at 400dpi in csgo (51.9cm/360) and no matter what game i play i always land within that range (50-53cm/360) i just go into a training ground or smth and do the 180 with my eyes closed, if i can do it 10 times in a row then i consider it being good to go.
i don't know if it's the best way to do it but at least this way i'm not overthinking as much as i used to.
For me each game is different aim wise, some needs lower sens and some would feel better at higher. Deciding factor is how big are hit boxes and how smooth or reactive player movement, does it have verticality to it or it's just horizontal, on which range you usually fight. If I consider all of it my sens usually shapes itself
In Cs or val i use something like 40-50 cm, in OW / Fortnite i use 35-40 and feels confy
The thing is to take a sens and stick with it for a while. Get used to how it feels and how to use it. Only then do adjustments.
And yes, how a sens feels will differ from game to game. Not just because some need more rapid turns and others precise tracking, but also because flicks depend on fov.
If you see an enemy at the edge of your screen and yo do a flick on them, the higher the fov, the more you have to turn and the more you have to move your mouse.
It's a pity that your aim improvement guides don't get many views. You are good at what you do
Better for us, less enemies will know
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@@Ilovekeyboard Facts facts
He is big noob at aiming LoL
No, no tf hes not lmao for one he said that copying a pro players settings is better than staying on whatever settings is comfortable and changing them slowly as you go on organically is better because he said so. Like he literally assumes with no actual reasoning besides makes sense to me so it's gotta be the uncomfortable player that will do better and improve quicker bc pro settings better which might be right depending on the game and severity of change but not because one player will have better aim it's because one player has more optimal binds/settings that do actions quicker not a more "optimal" sensitivity. Oh yeah also, let's just ignore all the Quake players right? ya know the ones running around with mouse 4 or mouse 1 instead of W yeah lets just throw them on wasd and see what happens surely they'll adapt soo much quicker than staying on their normal settings they've had for 20+ years
To all people with ultra high sensitivity, afraid of changes.
My early gaming career was 2-3cm/360 too. Then I started to play CSGO, watched some guides, and they taught me how to utilize my wrist and elbow. I set my sens to 50cm/360, and it was kind of extreme at first, but once I started using my wrist and elbow more, it really didn't take long to adjust.
Then, I started playing faster paced games like Apex, Overwatch. 50cm/360 was too slow, and I was afraid of breaking my "muscle memory". I came across some video that said that pros and generally experienced people can adjust sensitivity on the fly, and adjust fairly quickly within the same gaming session. I increased my sens, and... it was true. My 180 turns were too fast, I overaimed a few times, but I got used naturally without thinking about what I was doing wrong.
My sens changed a few times throughout the year - 37-41cm/360, and lately even 32-33, and it didn't affect my performance in a bad way at all. It takes me a few shots, turns, and I'm all set.
I have more than one mouse, some have bigger dpi deviation, some faster feet, some have sensor more towards the front (Orochi for example) - it all affects sensitivity, and yet, I don't really need weeks/months to adjust. I can even jump into a firing range, grab my desktop non-gaming mouse set to half dpi of my gaming ones, and aim just fine.
So yea, don't be afraid to experiment, be open minded, and you'll be able to use different sens in no time!
Exactly, y'all be underestimating our millions of years of hand-eye coordination evolution. You get used to a new sens within hours. So experiment a lot!
@@achillesa5894with me i get worse the more i use a sens, every 3-4 weeks i will suddenly be terrible again with the new sens i got used to.
Idk why it happens but im convinced its genetics
@@IDKWHAT2NAMETHISS it's possible that when you use a sens too much your brain goes into habit mode while if you keep changing it you keep your brain in a more active state, I'm pretty sure that's a thing for things we do in general, not sure if it applies here though 🤔
I'm still on a weightmodded G502 (down to 90g) and to pretty fine with that, but yeah, finding a sense that works for you is the important stuff.
@@HappyBeezerStudiosYou say I can lower up my 121g mouse down to 90g? How?
Awesome video, your product looks amazing. I'll add that body size (among other things) also plays a massive role in ergonomics. If someone is going to copy a professional to the T, it's really important to consider the differences in that professional's and one's body. A mouse that's right for TenZ may not be the right *size* for someone else, as an example.
Just a story about myself: I used to play CS:S in amateur divisions and even pulled a sponsorship for a while. I'm also a classically trained percussionist (played professionally for years, I have a degree as well). We study ergonomics and how to use our equipment as "idiomatic" as possible, meaning best lent to match ergonomics to the music being played. (This is like how different video games have different best sensitivities.) Long story short, I developed Tendonitis, because I simply was practicing/performing music too often and for far too long. What I learned from that experience that's relevant to this video, is that I learned the painful way how much of that Tendonitis was actually developed *playing* Counter-Strike. Something to think about. I've deployed most of my ergonomics training to my gaming setup, and my performance went way up. It was like a light switch, and honestly something I should have known better from the start. It's the kind of thing you don't think about until it's too late.
Hey man love your content! You have a great and natural way to describe alot of motor learning and adaptation principles associated with aim.
Great to see it being simplified while also considering the nuance!
I used to use 33cm/360 but then I found I work best with 41.5cm/360. I’m not the best aimer by any stretch, LEM CSGO & Diamond OW, but that’s a big jump from what I used to be, MGE CSGO & Plat OW. Could also be because I switched from aggressive claw to relaxed fingertip or it could be both.
I copied the eDPI of a professional gamer (Demon1 from Val) your comment got me thinking how much a 360 takes in terms of mouse movement. It's 81cm/32in! No wonder I bought a larger mouse mat.
For apex changing my cm to 360 made a noticible difference instantly. Also focusing on my target and not the crosshair. Solid
what is cm?
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There’s so little videos about REPEATING chair angle to the table or hand position on the table. My accuracy shoots up by 10% in same conditions in Aimlabs when aligning for optimal glide of mouse. It’s so hard to understand how exactly to know what feeling of something’s off means exactly. Like what movement to make to correct it? Could you make a video explaining how to get into repeatable position step by step? My position is perfectly ergonomic for 15 hours of intense aim, yet it’s very hard to repeat once someone touched chair and it has to be angled again.
I would have never though about lower sens meaning you have a much larger area to flick to or track in while aiming at a target. I already play at fairly low sens because I get a bit jittery but having this obvious thing pointed out I might just lower it a little more. Awesome vid, liked and subscribed baby
why would u lower it more. high sens has a higher skill cap
that's why I spent nine years perfecting the style of aiming with my long sword. people told me it wasn't comfortable but thanks to this video I can confidently say those wizards won't be laughing when they see me again.
I trained and coached archery for several years and this problem is very true even there. Some coaches even learn students that "Do what feels good and works for you" which mean the archer will develop bad habits incredibly hard to break when they are set instead of adapting correct form from the start, even if it feels odd att first. What works at first might hinder progress in the end.
I hit a plateau last year. Cut my sense by about half and immediately improved my tracking. After adjusting to the new macros my flicks are just as good as before with the benefits of lowering my sense.
I can't imagine the sense settings where a sneeze will send you into an mlg montage spin.
I did that a couple years ago and it helped a lot. And another thing that helped me improve was how I treated fights and retreats. I stopped trying to force the kill and instead pulled back more, to give me time to reposition and engage again under more favorable circumstances.
great vid. your older vids have been getting me back into my aim game. It's kinda hard for me to find a good sens
I can confirm that this is true after switching from default to a pro setting. This dragged me into another world - there are lots of variations amongst the pros! Take for example dpi - they’re split between 400, 800, and 1600 mostly (there are others, but we’re talking majority here). These differences in dpi, of course, mean huge differences in game sensitivity settings due to the dpi differences. Using a dpi converter also confirms that they do not all equalize to approximately the same sensitivity. But I believe most players struggling with aim
tend to suffer from tiny mouse movements/jitter even while aiming directly at a target. The solution, I believe, is to keep lowering your sensitivity making it harder for adrenaline to create these minor jitters resulting in less precise aim. You’re essentially having the mouse assist you in keeping your sim on target. Note that this is not just being on target but getting to target and stabilizing on it - if your sensitivity is too high, it will take longer to stop on target - seems wrong right ? If my sensitivity is faster, I should get to the target faster! It’s not about getting to the target faster, but getting there and locking on it. Though the 10000 dpi will certainly get there faster, locking on it will take longer. Using an aim trainer can help, but they should include over/under shoot and time around target/jitter stats so you can adjust your sensitivity accordingly.
Only morons play with less than 1600 dpi. More dpi = less input lag. If I want to adjust my sens, I use the in-game setting.
In most games there is a range where pros tend to sit. Obviously with exceptions, but they tend to be somewhat in the same range. Where that range is depends on the game. Aim heavy games like CS will have slower sens than flick and turn heavy games.
when i first switched to-finger tip grip it took me like 3 months to get better lol but now my aim is next level
For me I think the argument for aiming with what's most comfortable is far stronger for me after having to do physical therapy twice a month for over year for a long time I was playing like 44 cm starlight 12 small , at this point I play about 28 cm now and pulsar X2 medium , My aim was a lot better back then, however nowadays I don't even have to go to physical therapy
Harden up geezus
a lot of people who say to use a comfortable sens also say it should be in a reasonable range for whatever game its for. i agree that a newer player should start by using what the pros use until they get better and then find their own settings and grip style, etc. Great video!
I would actually like to this test. Get 2 people who have never used mouse and keyboard, make one copy a pros settings and gear, and the other needs to find something they like. See how different the stats are.
Do that with CS and you find settings that people used 20 years ago on a WMO 1.1a and 17'' CRTs. Because people tend to copy whatever the pros use, become pros themselves, other people copy the same settings, and the settings just keep sticking around. And modern mice and systems can do much better.
@@HappyBeezerStudios This is not true at all. There are many many pros who trained very hard to "reinvent the wheel" figuring their own settings out fully. And guess what they figured out in about 80% cases? Claw grip, full arm movement, heavy wrist movement, 800 dpi, low game sens, accell off: WORKS....
@@DomenG33K accel is the best thing that exists - its just too much work for most people to adapt to
No... its dosent make input 1/1 which makes muscle memory impossible... You cant flick a certain distance with the same result...@@cheyhey2170
@@cheyhey2170 Not necessarily, personally I think mouse accel is the next step after you have reached your personal maximum natural aim potential. Could help iron out any weak points of your natural aim. Lets say you know you have reached your potential after idk a decade of consistent practice, you notice you have issues with micro adjustment with a given ideal sensitivity for a specific game, you could use mouse accel to fine tune, and maintain what you consider to be a perfect sensitivity for said game, and lower the sense for smaller adjustments. That way you have maximum speed, and maximum precision for micro adjustments. In my opinion mouse accel is end game.
I once did an interesting experiment. I turned on the system program Paint and with my eyes closed drew a circle. It turned out that what came out was a vertically flattened ellipse. After that, I increased the vertical sensitivity of the mouse by 50%. Using RawAccel. The subsequent circles drawn looked much better. To this day I use this setting in every game and it plays perfectly.
I think one thing to note is that if you have your elbow as a pivot your wrist will hover of your desk where as if you use your wrist as a pivot, your elbow will hover slightly of the desk. It depends on whether you aim with arm or wrist.
Reminds me of how getting a bigger tablet area for osu can be better long term
Mouse dpi , screen size, mouse pad space, windows settings, in game settings and personal preferences all play a part in your performance. Copying a pros settings will only get you so far.
I remember that when i first got my pc, I played minecraft with 100% sensitivity. Now I play on 25% (which is around 50cm/360) and 100% feels literally unplayable.
As i agree that usually lower sensitivity + practice makes you more accurate, its not always the case bcs of a lot of reasons. Im playing fps since cs 1.6 era, playing other games like valorant, quakelive a lot etc and i have found that what people rarely talk about is elbow aiming which i am doing bcs i have restricted wrist movement. What i mean is that usually people on higher sens tend to finger grip and just randomly wrist left and right, when i aim i have elbow bone on desk and my wrist is stiff and just moving my arm left and right and im far more comfortable and precise like that than i was on lower sens. In cs go i had like 4k hours with low sens maxed faceit lvl 5 or 6 if i remember, after 80h of switch to like 15cm/360 in cs go i had lvl 9 and rising.. I dont say its better but what im saying there is a lot of factors that make you aim/track/flick better in either sens.
I agree that "it feels comfortable" is indeed the wrong approach. People should be thinking "that feels accurate". When you point at a door handle with your finger does that feel comfortable or does it feel accurate? In my opinion pointing with a mouse is similar to pointing with a finger. When it doesn't feel accurate it either feels too fast or too slow to do that 180 flick shot.
This seems like it's just been misinterpreted, as people who have already dropped their sensitivity and gotten used to it eventually ask the question again about sensitivity. Once upon a time, before esports and competitive gaming got this big (only 7-8 years ago), only pros and high level players thought about sensitivity. Now new players ask this question and read old responses or responses from people who were already adjusted. It's taken time for the answers to change properly. It was genuinely surprisng how many more people suddenly gave a shit about aiming after games like apex and valorant came out.
Because the large majority of games released these days are crossplay with downright broken aim assist (rotational assist) so it's no surprise that average MnK players are more curious about how to aim better.
I benefit more from working with the variables as well - Albeit not identical to your suggestions. Do include changing devices frequently, new/always fresh games + running "ice cold hot drop starts" - as opposed to warmed up. Also avoid over familiarizing with games for the reasons you provided and others of my own.
I tend to leave dpi at default and change game sensitivity sliders often. Transferrable skills flow into the aspects of the game naturally. Same with the situational plays and keeping as many things dynamic as possible fosters growth. Our response times are altered by other life factors.
Fingers/extremities only vs adaptive more complete arm motion points working in unison are critical points to differentiate and this is very concise. Martial arts and sports concepts allow the spontaneity and fluidity, and form to take a natural shape around our best traits. All depends on which aspect we build or styles of play from. Asymmetry is definitely our friend if we seek to extend. Our individual natures are not identical nor are our physiologies. You make perfect sense opinions or otherwise. How to know strength spectrum without awareness and understanding of the spectrum of weaknesses. Starts with introspective about what is contributing or removing from the position for success. It makes available potential situational adjustments expand in proportion with your time invested in a reliable way to leave comfort sooner rather than be ill-prepared to later. Initiative and focus from any perspective. Goes for your body ergonomics just as you outlined. In sport, dance, martial art and gaming included. The more nuanced physics of modern graphics, games, and input devices derived from the first devices and some things never change. Others must always be open to change, however. Enjoyed this vid and going to give some of your adjustments a rip. Expanding potential available means to use energy towards a destination in any form of plan to improve- always warrants a look/test. Appreciate your perspective and the upload. Best wishes and much respect, friend!
The thing is "default" dpi depends on which mouse you use. Especially when it comes with already predefined presets.
Good point! That's true whether device brand or model of the same brand are changed as well!
Literally the first thing I do when playing any game on PC is go to the options and lower the mouse sensitivity by at least a factor of 10. In literally every game, unless it's a top down game that uses my windows/2D sens.
What game are you playing between 5:30 and 5:50? I’m looking for something new to play and that game looked fun. Awesome video by the way. I am going to lower my sensitivity and readjust
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I know it's a bit late but i think it is XDefiant
Good video, I changed my aim style to ftip a while ago and it's game changing. Before I was the strait finger palm grip lol. Using your tip to use raw accell to rotate the sensor in my mouse was also super helpful for finding a comfortable way to grip my mouse.
switching to finger tip has been an insane improvement for me this year, never bothered to even think about which grip to use. just went straight with palm since forever lol
People say my sensitivity is high and they’re right, however I just grew up using a mouse pad with a little wrist rest and limited mouse space, even with the room I have on my desk as an adult i still use a little crappy mouse pad with a wrist rest. All my flicking comes from my wrist and fine adjustment in my fingers. I use 1.15 sensitivity on CS2 and 2400 DPI which is 15.05cm/360°
with going to lower sens i found it best to lower it over time rather then just taking a massive leap from crazy high to crazy low, definitely made the whole process more comfortable
I get what you mean, but that kinda fully contradicts the point. Something might be uncomfortable for a bit but you'll get comfortable with it very fast :)
If you wanna go lower you can also try playing with even lower sens and then go to the low sens you want and it will feel fast. :D
Its more comfortable but will just hinder your performance. You just spend an eternity in a wierd adaptive period where youre only at like 70% of your ability instead of taking the leap, playing like shit for two weeks and then being on top of your game again.
true true. for me personally i was dropping from like 8 to 0.2 so it was a huge leap for me but i went down in like increments of 2. so went from 8 to 6 etc etc@@Ocerry1
Both methods work, but one takes longer than the other.
if anybody has more questions i’d look at a coach named Titanos who knows more than anybody about aiming. you have a natural sensitivity that you should be using to where your natural flicks tend to land directly on target. the guys really good.
Ive been using my g502 for a long time, it was my first ‘gaming mouse’ and i cant use anything else mainly because of the extra buttons on the side. I use the extra weights in it as well so its 139 grams. I prefer the heavy mouse as it allows me to be more precise without having my mouse glide all over my mouse pad. I have my chairs arm rests just slightly above my desk so that way im not leaning on my wrist and more on my forearm/elbow. For reference i play at 1900dpi and 0.55 sens in CS which according to aiming.pro is 39.7cm/360. I feel like i could lower it more with practice.
I feel like it’s comparable to an inexperienced basketball player being told to shoot however feels comfortable.
That may work better in the short term, but if the same player began by mimicking great pro shooters’ form they would have a much higher skill ceiling & level of consistency in the long run 💯
yeah something like 3cm/360 is obviously not something you will be to aim on a high level with but I do believe that comfort is still a very important factor for aiming and gaming even if your goal is to improve as much as possible. With 50cm/360° you may aim better but if the game you play is fast paced with rocket jumps as the main movement method you'll be exhaused quickly on such a low sens and you even risk injuring yourself if you play for long hours. If you play such a game on a sens that feels comfortable like 25cm/360° your aim will be worse initially but you can play for longer with lower risk of injury so you have more time that you can spend improving.
And its the same thing with mousepad and mouse shape. Chosing something that's comfortable recuces risk of injury and exhaustion so you can play for longer. Obviously you have to find a comprimise of something being comfortable and something that you can aim with well.
In 2020 during the Diabotical beta weekends I played the game all weekend long and every time after the weekend my arm was in pain and I had to stop playing games until the next beta weekend. Since then I raised my sens from 30cm to 24cm in that game, got a much faster mousepad and a large, comfortable lightweight mouse and i can play for longer without any signs of injury.
And whenever I play a game where you don't move your mouse around as much so that a lower sens can be comfortable, too i can just get out my old control pad again and play on a low sens and all my aim improvements from being able to play longer previously will carry over.
great video, more people should know about the effects of mouse pad sizes, arm aiming and your elbow height compared to your desk, it truly changes you knowing these helfpul tips.
I used to play on a really fast sens 2 years ago and after some research i discovered arm aiming and troughout the years i went from 27cms to what is now my range of my ideal sens (43.5 to 40 cms) i got really good with this "range" of sens (i got master 1 in aimlabs) after 300 hours of aim training but i can still improve so much i just need to find...
my perfect sens X) (aimers know the struggle)
i have a long lingering question for a while now,, is training with higher sens helpful for improving mouse control or is it okay to keep only with low/easy sens
i woud say you shoud use the sense you playing the games with
nah aim train w higher than in game for sure
I'd just like to point out that there is a tradeoff after a certain point where you're giving up close range ability for precision. A great example is CSGO where a single 180 is rare enough already that they've traded much of their close range ability for precision. I believe the "find what's comfortable" quote comes from one better player to a decent player both at decent sensitivities. You've gotta find the sensitivity that works for you and the games you play. I'd suggest starting out at whatever the pros use for your currently most played game, use it for a few weeks, and then change it a little at a time.
After about a game or two on a new sense, I’m typically used to it. If it is way to slow I will change my play style to match that and same with way to fast.
Did not expect a gunfire reborn clip 😂
My number one weakness. Micro adjustments. I didn’t think about chair height… I’ll try it thanks.
The first tip is so true : when i started to have a good aim I trained using a chair instead of a mousepad... dont ask how I got in this situation
Now i can use any setup, any sens it doesn't matter
Great video, but I'm struggling with this. In Overwatch 1, I was Grandmaster (GM) and came close to the top 500, but I hovered around GM. This year, I'm more focused and wanted to get back into it, but I've noticed deranking. The weird part is that I've been aim training, bought a light mouse, and got the recommended pad, but my rank has been getting worse, which is really confusing to me. The aim training has been great-I dabbled in it back in the day, so, fortunately, I can see that I'm a "better aimer" than I was back then. However, the results are showing me I'm worse.
I just recently bought my G502 since it was my first mouse and I loved it, and I've started playing with it again. It sure is heavy compared to the GPX, but I've been doing loads better. I don't know how to explain it, but trying to do the right things was creating a mental block. In the aim scenarios, I was doing great, but in-game, it was horrible. Now that I'm back to a comfort pick, I feel much better and have been climbing back up from the depths of Diamond.
I think being comfortable is highly underrated. This became clear to me after reading "The Inner Game of Tennis." I was simply trying too hard and not being free. It's so weird to describe, but my point is to not undervalue comfort.
My mouse pad covers my entire deskspace because i have abnormally long forearms, it took me a minute that having almost unlimited space was inadvertently causing me not to recenter. (These highTTK games are driving me crazy)
Back in the late 2000's we used to hit no scope scout headshots on cs:s with ball mice 😅 it was all high sense basically finger tips on a tiny shitty mouse pad on a crt monitor at 60 fps. We were good, our backs hurt, our arms hurt, but we were good!
Cut to today...man its taken me a hot minute to adjust to this long-term tracking thats required for shield simulators like Apex.
Ive setteled on low sense finger tips. I still got that old school fast twitch wrist precision for the flicks. Just trying to figure out where to put the stuff i mapped to the side mouse buttons so i can just use my mouse for aiming and shooting and i wont have to keep switching grips mid fight to use whatever it is on 4 and 5.
Cheers. Great insight dude.
the thing with sensitivity is, pros tend to be in a certain range. The range differs from game to game, but 99% of good players will be in that range. CS is a good example of a game where the typical sens is quite low, but the game needs tracking and recoil control more than fast wide flicks.
I always recommend to use pro settings as guideline, but not to copy the settings of one specific player. If 80% of good players are around 30-35 cm/360, than taking that as a starting point is a good idea, but taking the 33.87326519 cm/360 that xXxProAimer666xXx uses isn''t guaranteed to work.
Exclusive fullscreen the same as borderless/fullscreen windowed/windowed fullscreen (whatever the game calls it) in modern games and on an updated version of windows.
wish I had seen this video a few years ago. Could've saved me a lot of bad training and I probably would have picked up my new favorite game, counter strike, a long time ago. My preferential sens was close to three times the pro sens. Once I realized I only suffered at range, I looked it up, put myself on the median pro sens, and now I'm on my way up the faceit ranks!
I think the absolute highest sens you should use is 20cm. Aiming is still possible at that sensitivity and I don’t see any reason anyone should have to play even that high let alone higher
i use 10cm and aim well. i used to use 7. theres no problem with it
This video answers a lot of questions related to sensitivity. Great piece of information as always since i know struth way of explaining long back behind kovaaks videos
first time i encounter a vid like this that says exactly that about comfort within the sense and how it can negatively serve u i made a vid just like this 1 year agoo explaining the same thing its coool to know im not crazyy
As someone who played with Mouse Acceleration for many years, i see this as a complete win
I felt called out when he said player 1 is using their old g502 😂😂
After MANY years, I just went down from 2400 eDPI to 680 for CS. Could not believe how much more I was hitting, and I already thought my aim was decent.
It can’t be stated enough how much hardware influences performance in FPS. Using a low sens setup with a heavy mouse feels absolutely horrendous and you throw your mouse too hard everywhere because you feel like it isn’t moving fast enough.
At the bare minimum you need a big mousepad , a chair that gives you the correct height , 100 fps average and a mouse under 100g to know how good you really are.
1:24 this is crazy i fall a tad below the average for most of these games
Besides age (don't get old, reflexes stop reflexing), one thing that is suboptimal for my setup is my desk is an inch too high. That angle causes it to drag more than it needs to.
I am dying to buy a sit stand desk so I can dial in the perfect height.
Barring genetic factors, so long as you have a healthy active lifestyle, balanced diet, and good sleep your reflexes shouldn't really decline in the way most people imagine it will.
When I started playing FPS on the computer I heard all over the place to "stop changing your sensitivity." It's probably been five years since then. I have more than likely only experimented (as in played with for longer than a month) with a little under/ over a handful of sensitivities. Did I take this advice too literally? Was this recommended to players who have issues committing to a feel (playing with a sensitivity for longer than < a month? Anyways, I'm lowering my sensitivity, I'll let you know how it goes. See you soon.
i range from 47 to 57 cm/360 across every game i play. in fact i prefer 51-55 cm/360 regardless of game. maybe this is because im an arena shooter player by heart but i consider overwatch to be a slow game compared to something like Tribes Ascend where you can Ski Snipe. best player I have ever seen aim plays at an extremely low sens and I've never turned back lol.
This is great stuff man. I’m on a reasonably low sens, but after watching this I’ll try a very low sens. I’ll also need a new desk and chair… and monitor… shit, I’ll just try the sens change for now.
Once again very nice video. May I ask you what sensitivity are you using in Apex Legends? Cause that tracking is LIT🔥
get better with a comfortable sens, lowering ur sens only holds u back making u feel comfy with moving ur whole arm to hit targets
exactly
I agree, lower sens tend to perform better than faster once, hence the reason why SkittleCakes being one of the top player in APEX is so mind boggling. The sens he plays on is outrageous.
Great Vid, whats that game you play at 6:18 ?
What game if you know?
Xdefiant
Lower sense is definitely needed on a game like apex, I play a lot of snd in cod and I only ever snipe so I run really high sens when I turn down my sens aim with snipers is garbage but good with other guns
Great video. Thanks for the info.
There is less input lag playing on windowed fullscreen than fullscreen since windows 10 btw just try it if you really sensitive to input lag like me you should see a big difference. (ofc if you have 20 program opened in background it wont be as efficient).
Tbh, I somewhat disagree. For the average person, yes changing sens will be benificial. But for pros already on high sens, no need to fix it. Just like how some NBA shooters have weird form - if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
i would probably perform better at lower sens, before banging my hand into the printer beside me
My sens was 9cm/360... slowly trying to increase it. Currently at 16cm/360 and plan to hit in the 20s
My general rule has always been a full 360 with my mouse pad width. So from one side to the other I can do a full 360. My mouse pad is 40cm so it turns out that rule was pretty solid
To play like the pros exactly tho requires same setup as them and they are given their setups I think since on teams and are high end system that casuals or non pros can't always afford. I know my sens has progressively gotten slower over time.
It also requires the same seat height and arm length.
good reality check
i'm surprised how many players are delusional about their setups and settings
Hi bro! thanks for the advice. I still have a question. Very often professional players in apex, warzone use sens in the same amount as from the hip and other players use sens in the sight slower than from the hip. What do you think about it? does it make sense to use the same sense in the scope ?
No it doesn’t for most people. In CoD using relative 0.00 is best for most as it gives you focal length scaling. For Apex just don’t change per zoom sens and you’ll have focal length scaling. This will adjust sens based on the field of view change and make it feel more consistent
I think the lighter the mouse is, the easier it is to lower the speed, and inversely.
that's why you see a lot of people with poor aim with a G502, because it's so heavy and there's a lot of momentum, and hard to pick up, it's a lot harder to lower the Speed.
the problem is our monkey brains thinking that heavier = built better, so you see a mouse that weighs 30g and think that it must be made out of nothing, but ofc modern design techniques have made this a moot point where both heavy and light mice are built well, but personally I think a lot of mice makers make the mouse heavier to make up for it's poor build quality.
In some cases there is just a lot of stuff inside that adds weight. But that doesn't mean that every mouse over 70g is completely unsable. There is simply a practical weight range just like how there is a practical speed range.
@@HappyBeezerStudios the g502x is probably pretty good from what I hear. it's a lot lighter than the g502's normally are
Nice vids. I’ve used high sensitivity for a longtime then i switched to a low sens to try and it’s night and day when you take in count accuracy. But it’s a hard switch when you have to constantly turn around so i switched back to high sens but then i decreased it incrementally during the course of many months until i feel comfortable. So that’s it, don’t do big jumps in sens, lower it incrementally so that you feel only small changes that you can adapt fast to :)
youll get used to the end result faster if you just switch to it instantly. doing small jumps down just fucks up muscle memory everytime and will decrease your performance. which can obviously then cause mental slumps because shit doesnt feel right. so figure out a sens and lock it in.
4:05 wouldn't the area of the target at 40cm/360 be 16x larger than the target at 5cm/360 rather than 8x the area?
The area is even bigger, it would be 8x8 times bigger. 8 times more per axis, and 8 x 8 = 64
Playing games is like driving a car. 90% of the people have a poor posture and don't even realise it makes all the difference when operating their machine at the limit. Leverage is everything
and so... here I am... on a glasspad, with a mouse sens that ranges from 25-50cm per 360 due to raw accel
one thing i just recently realized when retesting to find my hipfire sensitivity is that when i try to strafe and stay aimed at one spot, going farther to the side my aim or mouse jitters a little when trying to stay centered. Is that a tracking issue from skates or pads or more sensitivity itself?
well your hand could be shakey. it could also be sticky skates/mousepad or tracking issues of the sensor on your mousepad. make sure the mouse youre using has a so called "flawless sensor" built in. low fps/polling rate can also lead to stutter ofc.
One question because I see that you are using mousepad with bigger area but still dedicated to mouse only. Is there any specific reason for that? Is mousepads for both mouse and keyboard (like 90x40 cm) are worse or is it just your preference?
Maybe ine the future you will go thru this topic? Because you go deeply in topics with huge number of useful details which is exceptional in yt.
Great content - always watching will pleasure.
the mousepad hes using on top is the better one, probably quite expensive and/or might be not available bigger. the huge pad underneath is probably so his arm doesnt stick on the table surface :)
50x50cm is goated, desksize mousepad can work but not opitmal if u wanna have the mouse centered on your mousepad,
Deskmats are usually just some random cheap brand off Amazon. There are some companies that make desk sized mousepads they are very good in quality, but they are usually much more expensive.
I use an Artisan Hayate Otsu Xsoft, which is already quite expensive, I couldn't imagine there being a bigger size for a reasonable price.
I assume you have yet to fall into the rabbit hole of mousepads? So many different textures and variations that cannot be found on desk sized pads. So really there is no reason other than he likes that particular mouse pad and possibly doesn't have a bigger size, or he swaps his mousepad a lot.
how do you calm down yourself when against enemies?
box breathing could help you out. scientifically one way humans can alter stress levels. also just being used to it could help, i don’t know your situation if you have been gaming for years or not. and remember games are for fun no reason to not be calm
@@SooFragZ thank you so much, I alway overthinking so it makes me panic
@@rvD_869 "overthinking" means in a situation where you need to already have a plan youre still trying to figure out what to do, am i right? solution would be to just play more, get more experience. that will give you a better sense for whats probably about to happen and whats still possible to do - and because youve already been in the exact or at least a lot of similar situations you will be way calmer :) sounds trivial but its the same for driving a car and any other sports irl.
@@MikeGrau0hr thanks mate!
really depends on the game but a general rule of thumb is to dissect that question,
why should you be stressed when you see enemies?
is it because you have lack of confidence in yourself the be able to handle them?
havent you made a plan for the scenario at hand?
etc
building up this ego booster should allow you to be confident in yourself to be calm enough to clutch...
and one more thing to note is you just need repetition/practice of these scenarios that you feel nervous over
in a 1v5 clutch? instead of thinking "ohh no i m done for" just think something egotistical like "time to feast in their blood" and have an idea as to what you wanna do and how detailed should that plan be (you can make detailed plans subconsciously the more you are used to the situation)
To simplify thing's, your sensitivity should be set to a 360 from one swipe of the mousepad width you have.
So that from the middle to the edge is a 180 turn, because you rarely have to turn more than that?
@HappyBeezerStudios I guess that logic makes sense as well. But full 360 on whatever mouse space you have side to side. This will give you your quick swipe 180. I do this with any different dpi I play on. Very easy to fond you in-game sensitivity for different games by doing this.
Some of the best aimers in Quake uses Palm grip, but, they don't exceed 22cm/360 and even that is considered high for Quake.
So think about that.
I stopped playing csgo and changed to Quake so I had to double my low sens and I got used to it very fast.
The same goes for when I'm playing CSGO now and decrease my sens. I get used to it literally in 10min.
People need to stop buying into the "you will ruin your muscle memory" because you won't.
All csgo pro's who also is predator in Apex have 2 completely different sens for the two games so the muscle memory myth is really bs
4:15 This hurts my arm to even see such an high sens 😣
what i just learned is never give this man the kraber cuz damn he never misses
1:51 is that the vampire game that flopped ?Redfall?
You just saved me an entire year of time.
cant put my chair at max height my desk is to low for that
He plays gunfire reborn; I'm sold.
Can u plz do a video about speed pad like the skypad vs slow pads
Thats crazy cause through experimentation I found .4ads 2899dpi @105fov was perfect for me and that is 37cm/360 lol
Finally, I have always wondered why I should lower my sens? when It benefit my small mouse pad n flexibility with low mouse movement to turn 360. I realise its not just abt accuracy with improvements in muscle memory over time but also decreases the zone to flick. Thanks man, imma try and train myself in lower sens.
I mean you can use high sens as long as you're accurate but yes it's inconsistent compare to low sens
What about setting your scoped sensitivities to a 1:1 ratio with hipfire ? Is it a good ideea for anything else other than a 1x ? If not what ratios would you recommend for bigger zooms?
Kinda depends on the game as they use different calculations. For me, 1:1 isn't quite right because the FOV isn't 1:1.
I tend to pick two spots, aim between the two to gauge mouse distance. Scope in and move between the two points so that the distance feels natural for the change in FOV, in some games that's slightly slower than the last for each zoom step.
In CS I use 1.29 sensitivity and 0.9 zoom_sensitivity
Do you mean the same turn radius, the same distance for a full rotation?
this is all personal opinion though. unless you are trying to be a pro, use what's comfortable. i use 1800 dpi and roughly medium sensitivity in game and i have good aim. you'll get better at whatever you're playing over time due to familiarity
That is true, though the higher your cm/360, the more precise you have to aim for the same accuracy. This can be straining to some, myself included.
do you have custom skates on your mouse? @StruthGaming