Ancient Israel - Where to Begin: Israel in the Bible and Without it

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ย. 2011
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  • @charlenehanrahan1578
    @charlenehanrahan1578 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I had a hard time finding the books for this class. I finally found them:
    Texts Used in the Course:
    The Jewish Study Bible (JPS Tanakh translation)
    The Oxford History of the Biblical World, Michael D. Coogan editor
    Scribal Culture and the Making of the Hebrew Bible, by Karel van der Toorn

  • @johnbecay6887
    @johnbecay6887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you so much. Great job.

  • @gregthroberts
    @gregthroberts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was wondering what is the history book that the teacher is talking about? I’m guessing that it is their text book. Where could I get a copy?
    Thank you

  • @aredessa5022
    @aredessa5022 ปีที่แล้ว

    @2:00 he is talking about Merneptah Stele for those having a hard time understanding what he's saying

  • @iampauleybaby
    @iampauleybaby 12 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good talk. Sets out the issues very well.

  • @aredessa5022
    @aredessa5022 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can we have the syllabus for this class? Or at least the outline for each week's corresponding readings so we can follow along better?

  • @Bixiebix
    @Bixiebix ปีที่แล้ว

    You can't hear any of the students or their questions, sadly. The sound is not the greatest.

  • @ammanujacku1764
    @ammanujacku1764 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How Palestine named by the Romans, and the bible says{ and Abraham lived many days in the land of philistines פְּלִשְׁתִּ֖ים} Genesis 21:34?!?!?!?
    Was the bible written after the Romans period?!?!

    • @lorihutchinson7438
      @lorihutchinson7438 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Philistines were another Cannonite group.The were long standing and bitter enemies of Israel.Even after defeat and humiliation of having Goliath felled by a shepherd boy with a sling slot, they continued to worry Israel.
      Hundreds of years later, after the Bar Kochba revolt Rome determined to permanently embarrass the Jews in Diaspora and destroy thoughts of restoring their kingdom he renamed the land after them-the Philistines

  • @zoharlindenbaum
    @zoharlindenbaum 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be honest I would expect an NYU lecture to be much more condensed with information, just as the TTC lectures are. Thank you very much for sharing the lectures though.

    • @kaarlomakela7231
      @kaarlomakela7231 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pekka reinikainen eläimet opettavat

    • @drtn6206
      @drtn6206 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kaarlomakela7231 perkele

  • @amijamcangirl8818
    @amijamcangirl8818 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is it so hard for caucasion to admit that its about black ppl. Bible said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

    • @kmelodic4545
      @kmelodic4545 ปีที่แล้ว

      Facts

    • @awalkthroughtorah6897
      @awalkthroughtorah6897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Galatians 3:28 reads:
      There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
      The only way you can be in fellowship with Jesus is to repent of your transgressions of the Law, 1 John 3:4-8, and follow how Jesus walked.

  • @gregthroberts
    @gregthroberts 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oops I think I heard it. Is it The Oxford History of the Biblical World

  • @debistuart598
    @debistuart598 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Just as the ancient Greek stories are not all myth, and not all truth, the old testament is the same, don't throw it away as a fairy tail, some is truth also.

    • @drtn6206
      @drtn6206 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What are some of the truths? The myths are easy: Genesis, tower of babel, Noah, Moses and the whole of exodus, talking animals, god(s) obviously...

    • @JD-gw3fp
      @JD-gw3fp ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​​​@@drtn6206 myth is fine, but I think you mean folklore. Being mythical doesn't mean it didn't happen or that does not make it not true. Plenty of modern day myths going on currently that cannot be explained or justified.

  • @seed_of_the_woman
    @seed_of_the_woman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the bible is personified on the flip side because we idolize it. it is an idol that does not only tell the truth. as such, it is a man’s creation. you all know this.
    don’t say it’s inerrant or infallible! it is not!
    WORD!
    love,
    david

    • @Rhian357
      @Rhian357 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, he was bald and is now dead. I don't know anything else. I'm drinking Gin.

    • @Rhian357
      @Rhian357 ปีที่แล้ว

      Love a Christian Whore, apparently

  • @jameson6930
    @jameson6930 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Anyone, Anyone.

  • @hmarkow1
    @hmarkow1 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Teacher forgetting the Hasmanoans?

  • @Thehiddenhorsman
    @Thehiddenhorsman 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I find one big issue with this...he has no idea who the Canaanites are...if you don't know that you can't have a lecture about israel....

    • @karlshaner2453
      @karlshaner2453 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Original Canaanites were of Ham in general but the term probably existed for any who was born and from the area of Canaan. They were in the area long before Israel ever show up. Canaanites are not Israelite until they are mixed in by marriage and adoption after Israel conquered them under Joshua. Do you have a different view of them? I would love to hear it.

    • @ScottKorin
      @ScottKorin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@karlshaner2453 be careful about using the Bible as a historical document. The Old Testament was compiled during the Second Temple Era. They recently found older scrolls dating to the first temple, but that's still ONE document. Just because Ham.exists in a theological document doesn't make it historically true.

    • @karlshaner2453
      @karlshaner2453 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottKorin What are the scrolls you speak of?

    • @ammanujacku1764
      @ammanujacku1764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How Palestine named by the Romans, and the bible says{ and Abraham lived many days in the land of philistines פְּלִשְׁתִּ֖ים} Genesis 21:34?!?!?!?
      Was the bible written after the Romans period?!?!

    • @paulbrandel5980
      @paulbrandel5980 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScottKorin Also the Israelites were
      Canaanites. There was no Abraham Isaac or Jacob!

  • @DisOcean8
    @DisOcean8 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    naw bro. This dude is trying to make people think. Israel is hard to talk about.

  • @allenmarcelin6323
    @allenmarcelin6323 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Show documentation ,ancient photographs ,who were the Hebrews,who was Abraham ,Sarai the Amorites ,Hittitis.We have no idea of who you are talking about ,the black Israelites.

    • @lorihutchinson7438
      @lorihutchinson7438 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ancient photographs??? With what? A Polaroid snapshot?

  • @abdullahozek8016
    @abdullahozek8016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ta.Ha . Chapter 20. Revealed at Mecca by the Holy Spirit ( the angel Gabriel) to the Prophet Muhammed in the early 7th century :
    In the name of Allah , the Beneficent ,the Merciful ;
    ...
    47. So go ye unto him and say: Lo ! we are two messengers of thy Lord. So let the Children of Israel go with us , and torment them not . We bring thee a token from thy Lord . And peace will be for him who followeth right guidance.
    48. Lo ! It hath been Revealed unto us that the doom will be for him who denieth and turneth away .
    49. ( Pharaoh) said : Who then is the Lord of you twain , O Moses ?
    50. He said: Our Lord is He Who gave unto everything its nature , then guided it aright .
    51....
    The Glorious Qur'an

  • @gregoryleonwatson8631
    @gregoryleonwatson8631 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh joy , one additional source to say The Ancient Israel existed as the bible portrayed. That's not really enough unless you BELIEVE in stuff .
    How about 5 sources or 6 ? Cause 2 doesn't do it for me or any research paper bibliography.
    Let's just call this stuff Mythology.

    • @johnbecay6887
      @johnbecay6887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gregory Watson Amerukhan Citizen
      Actually he says the exact opposite. starting about 19 minutes, he clearly states the Bible is a source, but that there are much earlier sources for his assertions. this is a very secular look at early Israel.

  • @abdullahozek8016
    @abdullahozek8016 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Story . Chapter 28. Revealed at Mecca by the Holy Spirit ( angel Gabriel) to the Prophet Muhammed in the early 7th century ;
    In the name of Allah , the Beneficent ,the Merciful :
    1. Ta . Seen. Meem.
    2.These are the Revelations of the Scripture that maketh plain.
    3. We narrate unto thee ( somewhat) of the story of Moses and Pharaoh with Truth, for folk who believe.
    4. Lo ! Pharaoh exalted himself in the earth and made its people castes . A tribe among them he oppressed , killing their sons and sparing their women . Lo ! he was of those who work corruption.
    5. And We desired to show favour unto those who were oppressed in the earth , and to make them examples and to make them the inheritors ,
    6. And to establish them in the earth , and to show Pharaoh and Hamaan and their hosts that which they feared from them.
    7. And We inspired the mother of Moses , saying : Suckle him and when thou fearest for him , then cast him into the river and fear not nor grieve . Lo ! We shall bring him back unto thee and shall make him ( one ) of Our Messengers .
    8. And the family of Pharaoh took him up , that he might become for them an enemy and a sorrow . Lo ! Pharaoh and Hamaan and their hosts were ever sinning .
    9. And the wife of Pharaoh said : ( he will be ) a consolation for me and for thee . Kill him not .Preadventure he may be a use to us , or we may choose him for a son . And they perceived not.
    10....
    The Glorious Qur'an

    • @abdullahozek8016
      @abdullahozek8016 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kennypriest7434
      Mention of Jerusalem in the Quran :
      The Ranks , Chapter 61 , Revealed at Al-Madinah by the Holy Spirit ( Angel Gabriel ) to the Prophet Muhammed in the early 7th century ;
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent,the Merciful :
      6. And when Jesus son of Mary said : O Children of Israel ! Lo ! I am the Messenger of Allah unto you, confirming that which was (Revealed) before me in the Torah, and bringing good tidings of a Messenger who cometh after me, whose name is the Praised One ( Ahmed ) . Yet when he hath come unto them with clear proofs, they say : This is mere magic.
      7. And who doth greater wrong than he who invented a lie against Allah when he is summoned unto Al-Islam ( The Surrender) ? And Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
      8. Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light however much the disbelievers are averse.
      9. He it is who hath sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of Truth, that He may make it conqueror of all religion however much idolators may be averse.
      The Glorious Qur'an

    • @abdullahozek8016
      @abdullahozek8016 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kennypriest7434
      Chapter 3,Family of Imran , Revealed at Al-Madinah by the Holy Spirit ( Angel Gabriel) to the Prophet Muhammed ( peace be upon him) in the early 7th century ;
      In the name of Allah, the Beneficent,the Merciful :
      1. Aleef.Lam.Meem.
      2. Allah ! There is no God save Him, the Alive , the Eternal .
      3. He hath Revealed unto thee ( Muhammed,pbuh) the Scripture with Truth, confirming that which was (Revealed) before it ,even as He Revealed the Torah and the Bible
      4. Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath Revealed the Criterion ( of right and wrong ) . Lo ! Those who disbelieve the Revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite ( the wrong ) .
      5. Lo ! Nothing in the earth or in the heavens is hidden from Allah .
      The Glorious Qur'an

    • @janddbackup
      @janddbackup 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@abdullahozek8016 Jerusalem never appears in the Quran. The Quran is not taken seriously in pursuit of Ancient Near East studies, whereas the Bible is. Muhammad is a false prophet and Jesus is LORD

    • @abdullahozek8016
      @abdullahozek8016 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janddbackup
      Oh thanks for letting me know, but in that case you are ignorant.
      Allah is not in need .
      The Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth belongs to Allah and He is never weary of preserving them.

    • @ammanujacku1764
      @ammanujacku1764 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@janddbackup How Palestine named by the Romans, and the bible says{ and Abraham lived many days in the land of philistines פְּלִשְׁתִּ֖ים} Genesis 21:34?!?!?!?
      Was the bible written after the Romans period?!?!