Tacx Magnum: First Ride (Fully Automatic Treadmill Smart Trainer)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2017
- My first ride on the fully automatic treadmill by Tacx. I was super skeptical about the limitations/ride feel/practicality of riding on a treadmill, but after a minute I liked it... and after five minutes I want one. Remember to hit SUBSCRIBE to support this TH-cam channel: bit.ly/3aUph9W
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"How can we make high-end cycling more expensive?"
"Hold my beer."
I love it that Tacx is so innovative and willing to take the risks with these kind of bold ideas. The Tacx Neo is already a good example of it, with it's near silent training and road feel. But this shows it even more. Huge respect for these kind of companies taking the risks and investing in these ideas.
Is trying to make a trainer quiet and realistic a "bold idea"?
No, it's an almost impossible task.
Another benefit of this type of unit is real feel for steep climbing. You are fighting gravity, a resistance trainer only creates resistance to moving the pedal forward. Gravity is a force that pushes back against the pedal.
Well done for not breaking this one.
This is the first of Shane's videos I've seen - interesting content, great production quality, a big thumbs up. Thanks! Off to watch some of the others...
I wondered if anything like this existed and here we are - cool, that's a win.
this looks like the perfect you for a triathlete if your able to run on it as well.
yeets the bike right off and starts running
Can you swim on it
I have been waiting so long for someone to come out with a consumer level version of one of these. I don't ride a bike just for the sake of pedaling so normal trainers really don't appeal to me, with this you actually get to ride your bike and your tires aren't being eaten by rollers! Awesome! Now I just have to wait another 5 to 10 years for the price to come down to my level.
look up bike rollers. They are a mere fraction of the cost of this thing I'm sure. You ride your bike on rolling pins basically and its much safer than a moving belt that can burn you if you fall.
Yeah, I'd be wearing a helmet on this :D
It's not for everyone. It's like rollers... but a little bit different.
At $4-5000 I could make a case for or justify it, but at $9,300USD that's just nuts. Cool as hell thou.
and what about now, when you're in a lockdown for a few months? It feels like it could justify the money
mister McAfee still a fucking rip off. Cycling stuff is overpriced af already like the Kickrs and Neos of this world
Crazy money. Elite Nero2 Rollers r the next best option 2 this. Need a sponsor 2 afford these beauties. But this is $9300 usd. Our AUD is shot 2 bits. +30%
And like that, vapour. No longer sold/even talked about by TacX/Garmin.
3 years later bikes cost 12k so this treadmill is a bargain in comparison 😉👌
Would love to have a go on one of these bad boys!
I ran on one of these in Zwift running at a Zwift demo event in the UK last year. Was great fun as it was completely automated like on the bike - move forwards to go faster and back to slow. No need to press a button to slow up or down or use a foot pod to relay the treadmill pace to Zwift. Saw a few trying cycling on it as well but looked like some skill required but seems you got the hang of it quickly. However it is reputed to be about £7K so seems to be a high-end concept device. Also it has been "coming soon" for about a year but still no sign of a release date.
That is interesting. Had not seen this machine outside of my head before.
That soundtrack tough!👌🏼
So the belt you're riding on changes speed based on how hard you push? Cool design!
Nice, just curious what happens if you lose power while riding?
In running treadmill mode does the Tacx Magnum work as a powered/“automatic” treadmill... or does it function as a “manual” treadmill where treadmill adds resistance, but runner moves treadmill with legs rather than motor spinning the treadmill?
Very cool!
For a cheaper option get some floating bed rollers. You get exactly the same forward/back side to side movement, also mine have optional resistance. Full on standing sprints. Had mine years and can do proper interval sessions. Never going back to turbo training.
Cycling outside , best trainer ever no matter the weather !
5:55 you can think of this as a reverse electronic traction control on any car. Jerky movements is really only jerky from the rider's perspective. From the viewpoint of the electronics, we are all in super slow motion. they can easily evaluate the situation at 1000hz and even higher with no problem.
I have a treadmill and recall that when i bought it the motor size was a key to longevity. My treadmill hits 20kph which is fairly high end but this must incline significantly at 30kph top speed for a 1500 watt all out sprints. What is the size of the motor to sustain that level of training over years?
WOW what a machine
I don't get it, is it like a thread mill or like a roller system?
I'm really interested in one of these but am concerned about support and development. It's 2 ½ years since this video. Has the product moved on since then or has its development stopped due to lack of uptake?
Does it come with air conditioning or a fan?
i wonder about the durability. Can it handle all the 1000's ++ km of rides on it?
Everybody's talking about the treadmill. I'm subscribing to Ramese B on Spotify!
You finally used an acceptable groupset!
hahahah! Not by choice. ;)
Very interesting gadget. But I suspect the price will be a bit steep for mere mortals. Also it takes up quite a bit of space compared to regular (fixed) smart trainers.
100% a premium product for sure. It'll be interesting to see where this kind of tech heads in the future too. Smaller footprints, more features. It was good to finally get on one myself to know exactly what the ride was about.
Tony Martin has a pro version of it (not made by Tacx but same principle) €80 000
You need to know when the laser pointing mouse first became a thing, everyone believed it was overpriced and saw "no significant" benefit to use one instead of the good old mechanical one. However when you look again today, all mouses you could buy on the markets are laser based. So the point of this piece is not that it is for everyone, but to bring up something could be improved as time pass along. By then for sure the price is going to drop.
I wonder how loud this would be at home though because if it is loud at home it would drive you crazy. They have it in a warehouse and it sounds loud. We are all so spoiled with how quiet the Neo and Neo2 are. I had the Kickr climb and Kickr 2018 sold it for Neo2 for the ease of use and noise levels.
They should have longer bars on the side, so they are not as intimidating.
Chiselled calves mate ahaha
Awesome peace of engineering! Thanks for the review.
I was going to ask why these things haven't really made an impact - then I saw the price..... ouch. I mean it is cool, but they need to come down to under half that to be viable. Also, on a trainer you can bury yourself on an effort and not have to worry about stacking it, but I feel like the margin for error on this thing seems pretty low. What happens when you hit the sides?
Yes it's expensive and it's not for those without a spare room to dedicate to training, but what a machine. Great to see hands on view of new tech cheers Shane. Only thing is full on sprint issues?? Is it responsive enough? filling out insurance claim for full on sprint "er while I wanted to win on zwift" "yes it's a game" "yes I crashed indoors"
It has a front roller, but jumping for a maximal sprint would put your head through the TV screen for sure. The steady state and other sub maximal efforts on it were a lot better than I expected to be honest.
There is a top speed set also, I think it will just force you stay under that so perhaps the wrong tool for the job of sprint training
Your socks drove my OCD crazy Mr. Lama... Awesome piece of kit tho 🚴🏽💨
Triggered! ;) And I know... I spotted this after I got off the thing.
Great stuff. So how would this handle like a set of 20sec on 10sec off? I imagine that an all out 1300 W sprint on this my not be the best thing to do but for those sub-maximal crit type intervals how would the unit react?
Horribly. Stick with a fixed wheel/direct drive trainer for those efforts.
This has been out for over a year now but still can't get it in the UK. What gives?
Wow, thanks Lama, very clever. Looks like a standard treadmill with some sensors to measure where the bike is.
30 kph max speed though? Hmmm, you've got to wonder what the market is with that limitation, fine for simulating climbs, but that's about it.
I'll need more time on the unit to know how that 30km/h limitation works in regard to training. On the unit the other day it wasn't an issue. 30km/h up a 15% is hooking along nicely... that's assuming hill climbing is the training you're after.
that is so cool
Very interesting.
How’s does it cope with sweat all over belt after say a hours hard ride?
No idea. One for Tacx Support.
A trainer where u can sway ur bike? very innovative!
I want one!
How does it regulate the correct speed for you during acceleration and rest periods betwen intervalls?
Sensors! Lots of sensors. I'll cover this in a lot more detail over at Eurobike this year.
Is this purely erg mode only? Or does it somehow sense when you pedal harder?
It is sim mode.
" I think we need a bigger house my dear"
Did I see that right, that the whole machine actually moves up a few centimeters to simulate incline?
Yep!
Good observation! That is amazing! Of course, living in California, our mountains move up every time we have an earthquake. So I just do the natural route. :)
M9IN0G like every single treadmill every made ? ;)
Seems like a futuristic bike roller. But with more noise and a much higher initial cost plus electricity. Screen would definitely distract me. I've stepped on the sides before running on a treadmill with a screen in front of me. Don't use those anymore :) I feel like the screen would distract me enough so the front wheel would hit the sides. Not sure what would happen if they did. I assume its been tested though
That is so cool. 😎. Only thing missing is an angled ramp to simulate a climb
Looks closer at the final few seconds of footage.
Shane Miller it looks like a bit of elevation but I wasn't sure.
Hi Shane, is there any word on when these are available in australia and what the cost will be?
No word yet.
In Zwift what do you do on a downhill while coasting? Hold the handrail?
Pedal. :)
Nice background music!
Royalty free too! Phew.... and it fits well.
what happends if the power runs out? you keep rolling or smash into the wall infront of you?
I assume it'll stop given the motor design. Good question though. Maybe they'll need to sell a helmet with it too? :)
No... because it functions like a “manual” treadmill where its the user (not the treadmill motor) that spins the treadmill.. the treadmill is mostly adding resistance.. maybe +/-2to3Watts here and there to keep you centred the unit or simulate coasting. if it was treadmill motor spinning the treadmill you wouldn’t be doing any work! Contrary to an “automatic”/powered treadmill, manual treadmills come quickly to a halt when you stop.. since YOU are the motor.. equivalent of turning off an automatic treadmill...
Campag? Does the front come up in hills? I assume if you have to ask the price then you can't afford it?
Loaner bike. It goes up and down, yep. And price.... I'm not sure it is finalised yet. I suspect it'll be more than my bike (I do ride a 2013 Giant TCR, so that's probably not a good measure) :)
Looks awesome ! Screens that close would give me a migraine though lol
Awesome! I want one of these!
Compatible with Zwift? Can it be considered as a 'dumb roller'? does it do auto resistance with respect to zwift incline?
Yes. Smart roller. Yes.
woooah
would going uphill very slowly be a problem with balance?
Depends on the rider. I didn't find it a problem.
surely no different to running on a treadmill, and those can go up to 15%
What does the red button in the middle do ? Emergency break, causing you and your bike to hit the wall in front of you, or emergency speed-up in an attempt to keep you upright ?
Launches the nukes.
Makes sense considering the price tag of that thing.
So if you wanted to drop a sprint, how quick it the Magnum to respond to the change of speed and do I have to worry about hitting the screen in front of me at 60+ kmph?
It's not for all out sprinting. Same reason we don't see Usain Bolt on a treadmill doing 100m training. Treadmills are still pretty popular even with these limitations.
Pretty fair, Guess I'll have to stick to the rollers for that one ;)
Their website says max speed of 30kph. Is that for real? So it can only be used for climbing? What if Zwift goes down a descent? Was this your experience that it topped out at 30kph?
That’s belt speed. Simulated speed can be anything. It’s watts that matter.
Does the belt move because of the cyclist peddling and the belt keeps up with you, Or is the belt powered like a treadmill, and you have to keep up with it?
I see the vertical incline is powered, just wondered about the belt
The easier you go, the slower it goes. If that makes sense. It's a smart trainer.... on a large platform.
It adjusts belt speed to keep you in the middle of the treadmill. So it's motor powered, and belt speed adjusts rapidly to match your bike wheel speed.
Kewl. So it keeps up with the rider. That makes a lot of sense.
How does it work going downhill? Can you coast?
The concept of indoor training is about training, not simulating sitting on the couch riding down hill all day! ;) Just joking. I didn't do any full course simulations like Zwift. The gradient at 0deg was just like rolling along a flat road. I'd need more time on it to test everything. Maybe if I get to do a full 'Unbox, Building, Second Ride' video I'll cover this.
I have questions. Does it have a power meter on it or is it reliant on a bike mounted PM? if it is on the magnum, where would it be located
Yep. Specs/details: magnum.tacx.com/ It'll be similar to the Neo for power (at a guess). I didn't grill them for the teardown.. that'll come later on. Or at Eurobike when I have a list of questions for them. :)
tacx would've had to really work outside the box to integrate a power meter. I can't really understand how they can make an accurate power meter when there is so much drag in the system from the weight of the bike and rider causing friction between the belt and the baseplate...
Muy buen producto, Como se podría comprar para centro america?
Tendrás que consultar con una tienda o proveedor local de bicicletas.
I love cycling and I live in Scotland. I struggle to cycle all year round but it is doable. I find that the waste that all these machines generate is significant. How long will that engine last? 4-5 year at best? It is scary how sports are becoming focused on extra gadgets and this one is a very large one. Btw, this is no criticism to Shane Miller. He is a great guy and thank you for uploading the videos. It would be nice to see how TACX plans to offer customer support and warranty for this item.
There's a service schedule for this unit. We'll know more when they start shipping commercially.
Thanks for replying.
I think this is awesome!
very cool
What happens if there's a power failure?
I didn't ask. Good question though.
If you weren't going for that roller sensation and just wanted the gradient change Tacx could make a front trainer block that moves with the incline/bounces you on the cobbles.
They'd need to move the rear or redesign the rear skewer/clamp. Any up and down movement on the front will grind away rear dropouts.
Dude, not one mention about the screen or interface?
+00bikeboy When it's nearer to release I'll look into that.
How does it simulate the incline? is it actually tilting x% or is it a combination of tilt and speed of it?
It tilts, yes.
"Peter Sagan meets Tacx Magnum Smart" video shows incline @ 1 minute 40 second mark
Thx. I actually saw that video afterwards. I could also see on this video that there was an incline, I just wasn't sure if it was a combination of incline and treadmill speed.
WOW!
Makes perfect sense. I think this replaces the Watt Bike from a commercial sense. BYO bike!
The Watt Bike needs a refresh badly.... or it'll go the way of the CompuTrainer.
^^^ This. In spades.
straps will be necessary accessory for safety only
Is the Magnum's speed dictated by the rider's cycling, or is it pre-set by the treadmill?
Rider speeds up, it speeds up. Rider slows down, it slows down.
Thanks. And what a swift response (pun intended)
whats the price point on these? $8k-$10k?
Estimated, yep.
wont be very good for zwift though if you can’t have a good sprint on it.
Can you run Zwift on it? It's probably too expensive for most individual users, but I could see gyms using it. I should try to convince mine to buy one, :-)
Yes
Is this one better for those wacky bike warranty issues? 🤔😂😜😂
Guys, how is this posssible?
It’s magic
Nice review. I think Tacx are reaching here as the units footprint is overly large for home and for pro teams who have limited space in the mechanics trailer. So I don't really know who this is marketed for? I don't see this being a big seller at all and I think in years to come will be discontinued.
It's a premium product. I don't see it being carted around by pro teams as a replacement for a set of rollers or a basic trainer to warm up on. RE: Space. Much like a caravan, or a boat, people find space for things they'll use. It's the progress I applaud here. If we didn't embrace change and progress, we'd still be riding horses.
No fans???
I thought there would be fans all over...(and maybe connected to how fast your going to how much wind blows)
They don't come with any other trainer...... but sure, that's be something they could consider I guess.
But with such a stationary trainer (thats much more permanent and maybe be in a training center) i would think they would maybe have them, or at least set them up in the warehouse for when people try them out...but then again someone thats getting this should already have there fans from before...
Sholom Tauber fot the asking price of 7 grand. IDE be wanting a built in TV as well as fans
Hey Shane, any updates on this one?
Not seen any of these here in Australia.
@@gplama strange. Looks like it has potential. 3 years on and a Garmin acquisition and not a peep from them
@@jimhansen5395 They've been quiet on all fronts regarding Tacx. iirc the only thing we've seen is a new 'launch' of the old Booster trainer.
Why not just use a treadmill from gumtree?
There's a lot more going on under the hood here in regards to automatic speed regulation and safety. The motors stop almost instantly when you drift back too far the unit. And Gumtree is how you get murdered! (kidding... but damn I've had some shoddy dealings via GT!).
What is the cost.
Estimated E8,000.
Great video, super cool tech. I'd love to see you do a review of the Insideride Emotion Rollers. Keep up the good work!
Not available here.
@@gplama aw bummer. Thanks for getting back to me though. Love the channel.
and if you stop pedalling?
+Gabriele D'Alessio The system stops immediately if you get near the back of the platform. It's safe. 👍🏼
Wow, over 106,300 views....global Lama!....Cheers.
Hi Shane the trainer looks awesome and probably more fun than my Tacx Neo. On that point have you experienced any issues of bike rear derailleurs hitting the Neo when using an 11 speed? Mine seems to clip it when I am the largest cassette and out of the saddle. Thanks in advance. Noel
Not on my bike. It's close, very close.
Go Athletes Lab Sydney!
ever tried the elite real emotion ?!
Soon! :)
$72,000 worth of machines. Holy shit.....
It should come with its own fans!..
These trainers are the future of indoor training IMO, and I want one, but I'm sure it uber pricey😁
So its impossible to get kicked off the back ?
The sensor on the back stops immediately, so it'd be difficult to throw yourself off it intentionally or unintentionally.
Shane Miller thats pretty good. They seemed to have thought about a lot with this trainer
What about off the front, so to speak? I could imagine something like Zwift ergo mode on my Kickr2, where I overdrive the load at a change point and the system takes a bit to catch up. Even with that, this is COOOOOOOOOOOL!! More real than real... nyuk! nyuk! nyuk!
See the roller/bar on the front of the unit. The front wheel just bounces on that. It is low enough not to throw the wheel sideways. I was pushing up against it to test it out.... held me in place nicely.
Shane Miller it's like the bar used on a motopacing moped
I hope someone don't prank by unplugged the treadmill while you're sprinting and put your face on the monitor LoL.
Since this is bike treadmill it means you can run with your cycling shoes right?
Still wish they have some elevation feature.
Cleats are no good for any surface. The unit lifts up and down, the last few seconds of footage shows this. I should have discussed this more in the video. I'll cover it when mine arrives here at home (hint hint Tacx!) ;) I'll have another ride on one at Eurobike.
Incline control or no?
Yes
Thanks for the response! I know I necro’d an old post