You have to weigh BH 209 because of how it's designed. All those hollow tubes lay in different angles and take up space. It doesn't seem like it, but it makes a difference when you get down to the micros
I bought some of this Blackhorn 209 but it seems way to finiky. I have pretty good results from triple 7 pellets so i think i will stick to what i know. Good video thank you
@gregopelt9603 you are probably right but I'm comfortable with triple 7. I'm going to play around this summer with the 209 and try to form my own opinion.
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
Does blackhorn 209 and blackpowder translate 1:1 on measuring grain loads. My Remington 700 manual state a Max load of 120 grain FFg black powder. Would I still use 120 grain (84 grain in weight) of Blackhorn 209?
I’m not qualified to answer that but I don’t believe so. Depends on your barrel and what kind of powder it can take. I have an old traditions muzzle loader and you aren’t supposed to shoot any BH209 in it. My CVA optima allows me too. As far as 1:1 I’m not sure. There is a blackhorn 209 data sheet that you can use for measuring properly. It’s on Blackhorns website. Check your guns manual on what you can shoot out of there or call them. Better to check first so your gun doesn’t blow up from making it too hot!
Supposedly all the BP substitutes are suppose to measure out the same as black powder , BY VOLUME. By weight, every one is different from the others so you have to calculate for each individual powder seperatly. Each substitute should have a unique multiplier to calculate back and forth between weight and volume.
You may not notice it but on some of these really sensitive digital scales just air currents in the room and/or your breath on the scale in front of you will cause that. Try bending some cardboard in a U so it is about 6 or 8 inches from the scale, about 8 to 10 inches high (like a fence blocking air currents), shielding the back and sides and probably your scale jitters will disappear.
i dont't think you should just assume that your powder measures are off. It could be batch to batch variation in powder density. Crosscheck with other powder measures. I use Triple 7 which is desired volume x .777 for weight measurement. Then reduce this by 15% for BP energy equivalence. Overall volume desired x .666 for weight measurement. I know BH209 has a large following but im baffled by the belief that it's worth the present price of $97.98 a pound at Sportsmans Warehouse. Triple 7 seems ok to me at 1/3 the cost.
I’ve shot white hots, 777 and the old pyrodex stuff in my other rifle. Then saw all the reviews on blackhorn so I went with it. I think the issue here is all those tubes are off big time. It was really just to show beginners the difference without getting into too much detail. I agree with everything you say! Thanks for commenting!
Well… I lied. I got out to my range in a hurry and forgot to film. Life, family got in the way. There is a hunting video I made on my channel and I made a bad shot but still got the deer. Not sure if it was my buck fever, my gun being tossed around for 3 days in the ATV or just not dirtying my barrel enough before firing. I’ve found it’s best to fire two primers and one bullet before firing my real shot and I didn’t fire a bullet before that shot. But I had 1-1.5” groupings at 100 yards at the range.
I completely concur about needing 2 primers AND an actual bullet to properly "foul" the barrel and get repeatable accuracy. I have experienced this with 209 in both my CVA Wolf and CVA Optima muzzleloaders. Shooting the recommended 2 primers was not sufficient to get "first shot" accuracy in the field.
Blackhorn is the best. The BH volumetric tubes are not accurate. Here's some side info. A couple years ago, i was shooting BH loads over fresh snow and discovered a lot of unburned powder granules on the snow. Didn't affect anything that i could tell.
I actually spoke to the BH209 rep as to why their maximum is 120 grains (by volume) when other black powder substitutes (pellets) have 150 grains as maximum, and they said that 120 grains (by volume) was the maximum that would completely burn. Depending on barrel length, even less would be completely burned. Which is what @jared discovered.
I don’t mean this rudely at all but did you watch the whole video? I measured 70 grains by weight, which according to Blackhorns data is equivalent to 100 grains by volume, but with these tubes they were showing around 90 in volume, so I’m definitely sticking to measuring by weight.
@@Gokywildcats11 sounds good! Yes that’s what I did. Eventually, I went all the way up to 84 by weight and that’s what I shoot and that measures right at 110 by volume. Got a mule deer in colorado a couple months ago with it and worked great!
We’ve only been using blackhorn 209 for 3 years but we love it we also weigh ours so much more accurate
You have to weigh BH 209 because of how it's designed. All those hollow tubes lay in different angles and take up space. It doesn't seem like it, but it makes a difference when you get down to the micros
I bought some of this Blackhorn 209 but it seems way to finiky. I have pretty good results from triple 7 pellets so i think i will stick to what i know. Good video thank you
i heard good things about those pellets are you using CVA wolf muzzle loader by chance?
Triple 7 doesn't come close too bh209 performance
@@holmesd5003 accura .50 cal
@gregopelt9603 you are probably right but I'm comfortable with triple 7. I'm going to play around this summer with the 209 and try to form my own opinion.
Low Pressure 50 Caliber Smokeless Loads in a 209 Factory Muzzleloader, 2 DVD set | eBay
These 2 DVDs contain a demonstration of using Low Pressure Smokeless Loads in a 50 caliber factory muzzleloader.
I've shot a lot of blackhorn and I totally agree, the tunes are not accurate.
Does blackhorn 209 and blackpowder translate 1:1 on measuring grain loads. My Remington 700 manual state a Max load of 120 grain FFg black powder. Would I still use 120 grain (84 grain in weight) of Blackhorn 209?
I’m not qualified to answer that but I don’t believe so. Depends on your barrel and what kind of powder it can take. I have an old traditions muzzle loader and you aren’t supposed to shoot any BH209 in it. My CVA optima allows me too. As far as 1:1 I’m not sure. There is a blackhorn 209 data sheet that you can use for measuring properly. It’s on Blackhorns website. Check your guns manual on what you can shoot out of there or call them. Better to check first so your gun doesn’t blow up from making it too hot!
Here’s the form link: blackhorn209.com/load-data/
Supposedly all the BP substitutes are suppose to measure out the same as black powder , BY VOLUME.
By weight, every one is different from the others so you have to calculate for each individual powder seperatly.
Each substitute should have a unique multiplier to calculate back and forth between weight and volume.
If you use Pyrodex or Hodgen Loose powder and weigh it out, you get great accuracy also. Learned this from the folks at Knight Muzzleloader.
Yes sir. I have an older muzzle loader that can’t handle BH209 so I use pyrodex for that rifle.
What did you get at the range? Chrono data? Better ES? Accuracy?
I don’t have chrono data for you, but it definitely was more accurate and got a mule deer on public land in CO this year so glad I did this!
Hey Luke have you ever had the weight jumping around on that scale. Basically it want settle down. What causes that ? Thks
I haven’t. I know it’s a cheaper scale but it hasn’t jumped around on me.
You may not notice it but on some of these really sensitive digital scales just air currents in the room and/or your breath on the scale in front of you will cause that.
Try bending some cardboard in a U so it is about 6 or 8 inches from the scale, about 8 to 10 inches high (like a fence blocking air currents), shielding the back and sides and probably your scale jitters will disappear.
I always weigh every shot using an RCBS M500 scale. It's slower, but I'm not in a hurry, and no batteries to fail.
I’ll have to check that one out.
Spray your tubes and plastic funnel with static guard and let dry for a day for static control speed loaders too
Ewe! I’ve never heard that. Thats a great tip! Thank you!
I do the same with triple 7. It does improve accuracy.
I saw a big difference!
The average per volume /weight for the triple 7, 2 FF, is 90 vol./ 72 g r. wei.
i dont't think you should just assume that your powder measures are off. It could be batch to batch variation in powder density. Crosscheck with other powder measures. I use Triple 7 which is desired volume x .777 for weight measurement. Then reduce this by 15% for BP energy equivalence. Overall volume desired x .666 for weight measurement. I know BH209 has a large following but im baffled by the belief that it's worth the present price of $97.98 a pound at Sportsmans Warehouse. Triple 7 seems ok to me at 1/3 the cost.
I’ve shot white hots, 777 and the old pyrodex stuff in my other rifle. Then saw all the reviews on blackhorn so I went with it. I think the issue here is all those tubes are off big time. It was really just to show beginners the difference without getting into too much detail. I agree with everything you say! Thanks for commenting!
So wheres the video of how the shots came out
Well… I lied. I got out to my range in a hurry and forgot to film. Life, family got in the way. There is a hunting video I made on my channel and I made a bad shot but still got the deer. Not sure if it was my buck fever, my gun being tossed around for 3 days in the ATV or just not dirtying my barrel enough before firing. I’ve found it’s best to fire two primers and one bullet before firing my real shot and I didn’t fire a bullet before that shot. But I had 1-1.5” groupings at 100 yards at the range.
I completely concur about needing 2 primers AND an actual bullet to properly "foul" the barrel and get repeatable accuracy. I have experienced this with 209 in both my CVA Wolf and CVA Optima muzzleloaders. Shooting the recommended 2 primers was not sufficient to get "first shot" accuracy in the field.
Blackhorn is the best. The BH volumetric tubes are not accurate. Here's some side info. A couple years ago, i was shooting BH loads over fresh snow and discovered a lot of unburned powder granules on the snow. Didn't affect anything that i could tell.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
I actually spoke to the BH209 rep as to why their maximum is 120 grains (by volume) when other black powder substitutes (pellets) have 150 grains as maximum, and they said that 120 grains (by volume) was the maximum that would completely burn. Depending on barrel length, even less would be completely burned. Which is what @jared discovered.
@@hoghunter8229 That's interesting. Thanks for checking on that. Great stuff.
120 bh is 60-75 fps faster than 150 777
@@gregopelt9603 And much, much cleaner.
tube marks are not actuate, they will vary, you know genuine Plastic
Yep!! Exactly.
So are u doing by 70 or by 90 volume
I don’t mean this rudely at all but did you watch the whole video? I measured 70 grains by weight, which according to Blackhorns data is equivalent to 100 grains by volume, but with these tubes they were showing around 90 in volume, so I’m definitely sticking to measuring by weight.
@@lukesenter yes I seen it and there different combinations 100 70 90 and i would go by the accurate measure of 70. That's the important calculation
@@lukesenter thanks have a good day
@@Gokywildcats11 sounds good! Yes that’s what I did. Eventually, I went all the way up to 84 by weight and that’s what I shoot and that measures right at 110 by volume. Got a mule deer in colorado a couple months ago with it and worked great!
@@lukesenter having trouble finding a load for my cva accura v2
interesting. it could be worth "calibrating" each tube with a sharpie