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I make an experimental secondary with a VoD of over 9500 meters/second.
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How did we not receive a notification when this video was initially uploaded? Awesome work you madman! We’ve studied this bad ass compound (1-Amino-3-Nitroguanidine nitrate) as well as other direct energetic derivatives of Guanidine and Urea for a while now, and there’s no doubt many of them are epic… Their application covers a very vast range, i.e. use as primaries when in metallic complex form, in compound caps, N-PEDs, boosters, and general secondary applications.
There are a few other perfectly oxygen balanced salts we would encourage you to investigate the properties of someday. These materials include Biguanide diperchlorate and Carbohydrazide perchlorate… They also form bris and tris salts with transition metals and alkali earth metals, these of which are exceptional primaries and exhibit highly impressive properties.
Yeah my next video that I’m working on is half about the thermobaric 15% Al, 85% ANQN mixture, and half about the Bis-aminonitroguanidinocopper (ii) nitrate perfect OB complex that can be derived from ANQ or ANQN.
Great work with good explanations, as a layman in chemistry I applaud you.
One thing i loved was the initial frustration of the test failure, then the turbo applied science yielding superior test results.
Getting a better result by thinking harder - humanity's success.
You'll go as far as aminonitroguanidine nitrate to take it to the edge? This hard thinker hard-subscribes!
Hard thinking sets us apart from the jellyfish.
Carry on.
9,551 mps BIG OOF this compound was this close from the legendary 10k vod
Yay been waiting for a new video! Love your stuff man!
That's a quite decent secondary,
Very good job!
A simple sand crushing test with 1,00 g would show brisance for comparison... by the amount of sand crushed below 30 mesh via sieving.
Of course it would be less demonstrative for a video than punching holes into aluminium plates.
I really like that compound... it is very promising to make further studies:
-the perchlorate salt or nitroformiate variants...
-complexes with Ni(NO3)2, Co(NO3)2, Zn(NO3)2, Cu(NO3)2... and with due caution the perchlorate variants...
More than certainly very potent primaries.
PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone)
Today I cast 15 pounds of Lead in a 9 cm diameter, 9 cm height radius to hopefully conduct a Trauzl block test. Certainly not close to the parameters set for the test, but I figured that 1/10 the explosive would require 1/10 the volume.
I have taken great interest in the copper nitrate complex which contains 2 1-amino-3-nitroguanidine ligands. Currently, I am looking into a route of synthesis through SM.
@@DBXLabs
Thanks for your reply.
Very nice idea that reduced cast lead Trauzl block test.
In principe the volume of the test is quadratic as a function of the explosive mass into a given volume of lead... I think the power increases with the mass and the resistance of the lead walls is constant... so the volume of the cavity is at first well confined... but over a certain weight of explosive the confinement and elasticity of the cast casing become unable to contain the detonation.
Into the low masses regio the progression is kind of linear...
So your assumption of 1/10 explosive for 1/10 cast lead volume... is a good one.
As a benefit, it is easier to cast and lift 1/10 of the lead... it is hell heavy and requires a lot of heat otherwise.
But you have to take into account some very important factors:
1) the cast lead becomes harder and harder with the time and amount of castings it was subjected to (unusually you recycle the lead straight... and you don't remake the all dissolution, precipitation, metallurgy of the lead to make it pure). The hardening comes from explosive degradation products and impurities - integrated into/interracting with - the lead at high temperature and pressure during the shooting. Also surface oxydation increases the hardness with PbO, Pb3O4, PbO2, PbCO3, basic lead oxide and Pb(OH)2.
2) Because of 1) you have to cast always two identical blocks... the first for your testing... and the second one for a reference explosive... you must cast the two blocks from the same molten lead... in a way to follow the hardening evolution. Alternatively you may integrate from time to time a reference testing between two castings for new explosive testings... since the hardening progresses not too fast.
For example you get 40 ccm for the 15th casting test... the references for 2nd and 14th castings are 35 and 30 respectively... you thus have a hardening factor 30/35... the 40ccm would have been initialy 40*7/6= 46,66 ccm.
3) The borehole must be centered into the block... in a way that when the explosive cylinder is inserted into the borehole all sides are equidistant to the external walls.
The borehole can be filled with water, oil, sand... but always the same.
4) Statistically one would have to do a serie of test of 2,3,5 for confidence and verification of reproductibility.
5) The detonator must be reproductible also and tested since its effect is less negligible in tiny than in normal Lead block test... a number 8 like detonator.
The volume of the detonator must be substracted and followed as reference too taking into account the hardening.
6) Unsensitive explosives with high critical diameters of detonation and as a consequence high critical volume and high critical mass of detonation will not perform wel into normal LBT... and even worst in a tinier LBT... this is normal taking into account such compounds will hardly reach full detonation speed... in such a tiny diameter, volume or mass.
Such compounds as ammonium nitrate, urea nitrate, TATNB,...
I hope this helps.
PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from alt.engr.explosives and Science Madness forum)
Philouz Louis Wow, that certainly does help. I figured it would be a less extensive process, but makes sense that it isn’t. I used up all my lead in this block so I can’t do two simultaneous one identically, but I guess I should get some qualitative data on its detonation by checking the volume and cutting the block open after.
Thanks!
@@DBXLabs
On a second thought, the following of the detonator reference is not per se necessary... because it must be identical for all testings... taking into account the hardening factor.
For example if you work with a single cast and recycling:
-First test detonator alone... 36ccm deformation...(initial cavity 10ccm).
So the detonator generated 26ccm over the initial cavity volume.
-Second test 10g reference explosive (TNT or TNP)
Total Volume = Volume cavity + volume detonator + volume ref explosive (TNP) = 10+26+ 400= 436
-Third test 10g unknown explosive.
Total volume = 10 + 26 + 560 = 596
-Fourth test 10g reference explosive TNP.
Total volume = 430 = 10 + (26+400)*hf
hf(2-4) = hardening factor between casting 2 and 4 = (430-10)/(436-10) = 420/426 = 0,9859
This means that the cavity is constant because geometrical... the detonator and the explosive or reference explosive are all three subjected to the increased resistance of the multiple melt-cast lead.
To facilitate things let us substract the constant initial cavity...
1) Detonator test is thus 26 ccm
2) Reference cast2 10g TNP is 426 ccm
3) Unknown explosive 10g is 586 ccm
4) Reference cast4 10g TNP is 420 ccm
hf (2-4) is 420/426 = 98,59%
The value of the third test was thus slightly higher than 586 by approx 1,4%/2 = 0,7%
586*(100%+0,7%)= 590,1 ccm
We also know that unknown explosive display a higher power/brisance than the reference TNP in the Trauzl's lead bloc test... by 590,1/426 = 1,385 = 138,5%
The unknown explosive value can now be used as a reference too...
If you keep all geometrical parameters the same, same mass of lead, same shape/volume, same cavity, same detonator... and if you keep track of the casting number and of the results with now and then a reference testing to check the hardening for correction.
PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from Alt. Engr. Explosives and the Science Madness forum)
Great work. But for clear results of brisance will much better use lead. Called as Plate Dent method. For example the Lead brick 50 x 50 x 200 mm. And perpendicular located which is usual for testing detonators. With inner diameter 6 - 8 mm. The lead catch basically all energy form EM. Respectively of last 10 mm. And created crater is easy measuremented. Reccommended ammount for filling is 0,5 - 1g at high density for output segment. Primary segment, or bridgewire segment for example 0,1g / low density.
Laboratory of Liptakov Interesting! Yeah I’ve got no lead sheeting of those specifications, but I’ll certainly look into purchasing some. My test with “compressed” ANQN was just the max I felt I could safely remotely operate from 50 feet away and remote control.
That’s maxed at 1.3 g/cc, a long stretch from the 1.7 required for 9500+ det velocity.
@@DBXLabs Interesting should be see the crater into lead from 1 g (cast) ETN and your ANQN with density 1,3 or even 1,7g/cc.
Hey man Your videos are Preem. I got all the stuff you said to get to make Nitric Acid from Air basically. Looking forward to make my own rig. Right now I just have myself distilling Isopropyl Alcohol after the salt out method on my channel. I need to make Sodium metal as well to further dry my Isopropyl because Even after salt out and distilation I still have trace amounts of H2O in it
If you react sodium metal with the isopropyl, it will rapidly form the alkoxide. I’d recommend sieves
@@DBXLabs Sounds good, Still fairly new in the game. But I got ideas I tells ya!
Charge density makes a HUGE difference and with "ideal" energetic compounds the closest to theoretical density the better. A charge made by lightly hand tamping 200mg of RDX into a 4mm tube does not even make a dent onto a 3mm steel plate, but if you compact it with a pressure of about 3000kg/cm2 then it punches a hole thorough it, as if it was made by a high speed projectile shoot at clay. A hole in 3mm steel with just .2g of energetics.
Your issue with low yeild of aminonitroguanidine is strange. I saw exactly the same method in another article where they optimized aminonitriguanidine yeilds and they get around 60% consistently. I repeated this procedure 2 times and get yeilds 50 and 59%. Also i treated the filtrate with additional hydrazine to get triaminoguanidine nitrate and get 30% yeild of it. So i got total yeild of useful products around 90%
this kid is incredible. brilliant.
You're welcome
Hello. This is an interesting substance. This interested me. But why is there so much smoke? Perhaps you did something wrong? If the oxygen balance is zero, then it should be practically smoke-free. I did a series of tests with a mixture of HMX 75% + ETH 25% and it gave very good blast with little smoke. I made very good holes in 2mm steel plates with additional shrapnel holes in the plates at some distance which was proof of high speed. But I used a press to compress the charge.
Can you make a vedio on HMX
The paper is no longer available same with the discord link
I hope you calculate the voltage drops going through that wiring because it would be quiet awkward if it decided not to go off hehe. Thats why I prefer using long slow burning fuses with some sort of initiation compound to get the primary going
I’ve done testing with my bridgewires in parallel with up to 8 detonating simultaneously consistently. They are my pride and joy.
@@DBXLabs really? At what voltage do you charge the capacitors?
200V at a total of 5 millifarad
@@DBXLabs could you try to test EBW with ether vapor, like 1,4 ml Et2O in a 10 l flask, evaporated and initiated by you EBW?
nehorlavazapalka electrical bridge wire? I’m not sure if that is the EBW you refer to.
I currently have no ether on hand but I could look into that.
I'm assuming that the smaller crater in the plate is due to the higher det velocity causing more shredding than just pushing the metal apart. A cool test to do would be one with a much thicker piece of steel and see which compound can dent it. a 1/4 inch of AR500 would be an interesting target
great vid! it would be interesting comparing its brisance to something like DNAF
I tested nagn on steel plate 4mm .The plate was break through and teared.It was
a charge in a syringe 5cm3,6gramm ,diam ~1,25cm,cap.1.2gr/cm3 ! pressed by hand.I think it more powerful(brisant)than petn,rdx or keto-rdx.
i would like see more of NaK experiments. This alloy is magnetic?
NaK is not magnetic
1-Amino-3-nitroguanidine Perchlorate?
Is PETN melt cast more powerful than this thing? Is this thing melt castable?
My next project, the reagents are coming soon!
Great demonstration brother! It would have been better to have compressed the ETN mix as well to prove your theory.
Just my opinion
Chemistry'sCuriosities Cannagorilla yeah but compression of ETN seemed like a iffy idea
@@DBXLabs what are your thoughts on using a refluxing solvent as a "double boiler" to heat the ETN for melt casting. Seems like n-hexane, methanol or THF would all work (bp are 68.7, 64.7 and 66 C respectively)?
ilija cajkovic sounds like they would work, but I’ve never melt cast ETN personally. Never found the need to.
ETN is pretty insensitive. It would be fairly safe. (As long as the ETN has been recrystallized of course.)
Is etn more powerful than that
Heck yeah.. you got that right, show a fireball in the thumbnail and the video is doomed.
12:50 inverse square law, and the pressure exerts force when the pressure is applied to a surface like tha of the metal thingamajig (i think)
This compound seems like it would be an amazing monoprop rocket fuel, or something to add to rocket fuel
Guanidine nitrate is used in pyrotechnics so maybe that inst far off, if it was less expensive it would be much better
FYI, guanadine/guanadinium nitrate is likewise a monopropellant on its own, used in *JetexⓇ* rocket motors. Also, PCS has it for silly cheap. *-^_^-*
@@ShortFuseMan ah yeah i learnt that a few months ago, really cool, though idk about those Jetex motors, or PCS
@@VerbenaIDK
Well, I’m glad to have informed you! BTW, FYI, PCS is short for Pyro Chem Source, and they have a lot of cool stuff for quite decent prices~ They’re based in Minnesota. :P
@@ShortFuseMan ooooh Pyro Chem Source! i think i heard of em before! just havent really looked into it, thank you for the information!
@@VerbenaIDK
Ye, np, any time. *⌃‿⌃*
That structure of penthaerithrytol tetranitrate definitely looks a bit sus
1:21
I'm way out of my range of competence so please forgive if this is a dumb question but, can you mix an oxygen positive explosive with an oxygen negative one proportionately so that they achieve an optimum balance?
Nice work. Is it more stable then RDX?
Did you try initiating these explosions with exploding wire detonators instead of the primaries you used?
Just a helpful tip. On the impact testing. I understand you are using small amounts of explosives, but might want to consider building a safer rig. All it takes is a small shard to chip off the head of the hammer and you'll have a bad day. Just something simple like dropping a weight, or swing a hammer on a sping load should do.
I'm actually in the process of constructing an impact drop-tester using a large steel bar and some pulleys that might allow me to measure impact energies to the joule. This is a work in progress, so in my hammer testing I try to stay safe with only 5 mg of each EM. I limited my amounts to this after trying about 20 mg of NG once which was a bit more violent than I expected.
@@DBXLabs Well if you are going that far with it, This might be an interesting doc for reading when you have more money to invest in electronics. sprg.massey.ac.nz/pdfs/2005_TENCON_4832.pdf
Interesting... I was thinking I would just do it by just measuring the difference in Grav Potential ex. 9.8J per (kg*m)
But yeah the electrical route would definitely be more precise
And it works without an initiating charge?
Does this decay over time if exposed to oxygen? As in is it pretty stable?
Nothing in the literature reports of it being air sensitive and I never saw any change in stability. Definitely couldn’t ever set it off with a hammer.
@@DBXLabs very cool stuff man. Ill watch more in the morning. I have my ffl and have been looking into making primers for ammo because im desperate and legally i can. Im looking for something more sensitive obviously but this is one of those rabbit holes i fell down.
@@Je3perscre3pers Since you are legally allowed to do that, I’d suggest you look into “tetrazene explosive.” I have an old video on it that is not that great but it’s currently being research for use in primers.
@@DBXLabs sweet man. Ill take a look in the morning. Lead based primers is old school tech and as long as i synthesize under an ounce at a time, Im allowed to do that without a federal explosive license(im an 07 ammo/firearms manufacturer) which quite frankly is a can of worms i dont want to open Living in a rural suburb.
So i did some research and you are correct. Tetrazene is used in winchester primers. Is their any info i can get on shock and heat sensitive it is just for personal safety? And what sensitizes it because i highly doubt winchester would put their recipes out to the public like that. As of now lead hypostpyhanate is the golden molecule in the primer reloading community but as a business man i want to do better and lead hypostyphanate is more hygroscopic than tretrazene from what im gathering
Impressive. Do you plan any more testing of this compound?
JamesG I’ve only got ~3 grams leftover from this (poor) synthesis. It would be amazing to make a shaped charge from this, however packing it to the density required for super high det velocities would be a massive pain.
@@DBXLabs That I can understand. Well, it would be very interesting to me at least. :-)
@@DBXLabs Pointless, 1.3 g/cm3 = 7.5 km/s max and like 200 kbar, where melt cast ETN has 7.9 km/s and 290 kbar. You want to use melt cast ETN:ANQN 60:40 (use less ETN and you'll get air bubbles) - you should achieve 9 km/s and 360 kbar or so - BUT you need at least a 15 g sample to reach full detonation velocity. Witness plate should be steel, at least 2 cm thick.
@@nehorlavazapalka While I wish I could conduct testing on that scale with higher densities of ANQN, it is simply out of my capabilities as an amateur. I wouldn't go as far as to say the testing is pointless since this is the only documented footage publically available of the ANQN detonation. I did make it clear in the video that neither of the compounds reached anywhere near their max detonation velocities, but if you want to give the trials a shot at high density and document it for all to see, be my guest.
Hi all , can i ask if It safe to mix ETN with TNP (picric acid)? ETN don't react?
ok? So how is is it that NITROGLYCERINE is still preferred/used to blow-out an oil well fires? Even though it may "stoichiometricly" (I invented this word, thank you, LOL :) Generate MORE oxygen which would/should theoretically feed the fire (not fuel)?
I’m not entirely sure I follow you but there’s a big difference between an explosive that’s laced with oxidizer, and an explosive that happens to have a positive OB. Nitroglycerin has a very weakly positive OB and only produces a quarter of a mole of diatomic oxygen in its entire detonation. That means that for every 10 kilos or so of explosive, only about a third of a kilo of oxygen, which commonly is not seen post detonation as it reacts with binding agents and whatever else is keeping that Nitroglycerin together and insensitive. That’s often the downfall of OB positive explosives; the binder agents bring the net OB down by quite a bit.
Also, assuming all the Oxygen remains post detonation, I would expect that the shock front would do the real extinguishing just like fanning a small fire out with a much larger fan. Sure you get more oxygen there, but disruption of the fuel can put out combustion just as easily as it can accelerate it.
I just realized it and this is probably the real kicker in this hypothetical. Explosives underground make a LOT of dust and inert debris that can absorb heat from the flames, and extinguish them by cutting them from their O2 source.
The explosion blow away the flames from the source and stops the fire!
is it safe to store etn in aluminium tubes for blasting cap projects? i know that thermal shock when it confined in aluminium or iron will set it off. i want to know if there is any unwanted reactions in aluminium tubes? thanks
Never store in contact with metals substances or chemicals that contain corrosive groops i.e -NO2, -NO3 , =SO3, =SO4 , CI ,Br, I, CIO3, CIO4, picric acid,citric acid and other oxidizers......If is necessary you must cover them with plastic or waxed papers . Another enemy of the above chemicals is the hot environment during summer.
I hope i answered to your question. Always be careful my dear.
Would this be good for shaped charges?
Any high speed primary or secondary explosive can work for a shaped charge. The real question is, why do you wanna build a a shaped charge lol
Remember that the ATF considers shaped charges to be destructive devices. Don't want to get in trouble.
Do you have a background in chemistry?
I go to college this fall
What did you use as a primary for both charges?
Emme Pombär I used my BNCP bridgewire detonators.
Fabulous! But ETN is much easier to make.... And easier to plasticize😏
🙌💥💥🔥🔥🔥🔥
That is significantly more powerfull then nitroglycerin
WAY more POWERFUL and WAY more STABLE! That’s an extremely awesome tradeoff!
Are you aloud to do this legally?
Yes, as long as you don't make it in a residence, store, transport, sell, or make money off of it. Check your local, state, and federal laws first so you know what you can and can't do.
Do you have a recipe for octogen, if so, please give me the recipe?
Need to synthesize some Octanitrocubane for us 10,100m/s VOD
09:50 ?
namenlose Held can’t show anything too revealing
you desperately need to visit a metal workshops trashcan for adequate targets
Really nice 👌 😍💋 💝💖❤️