A Cessna 183? What?!! Mark goes over the upgrades of this Cessna 180 that make it more like a Cessna 185 than a Cessna 180. #stol #pilot #taildragger #Skywagon @skywagonuniversity5023
Oh Mark, you're such a Cessna detail nerd! Reminds me of myself in my younger days. Well done! The 185 has always been my Cessna of choice, but this '183' is very nice indeed. I always smile at the Captain Morgan pose and comment! Keep up the great content!
This is currently my favorite aviation TH-cam channel. I just love listening to the different model information, walk arounds, and little details. It’s great
Great to see you back again Mark - I was beginning to get worried! I really enjoy your somewhat light-hearted and very informative videos which should be essential viewing for anyone looking to buy an aircraft covered by one of your episodes
We had C185s waaay back in the early 60s that delivered afternoon newspapers to country Victoria…..out of Moorabbin Airport. We went through 205, 206 and horrible 207 to BE36s…….plus Cherokee 6 and a Comanche 400.
I bought my '61 182 from Steve Knopp.. (pponk industries) went up to his place to see it, fly it.. (he flew it, i watched from the right seat) ..his runway is about 1200 ft, maybe?.. the 0470-50 with a 3 blade McCalley made short work of it anyway. It was a fun hot-rod. Merry Christmas Mark and Don! 🌲
Hi Mark - Great video! One note, I own a 1980 180K with a factory float kit. When I bought it, it had an optional *factory* tailwheel lock. It’s in the POH as well as an option. We ended up removing it for a tailwheel upgrade but it was a factory option at least for that model and year.
I always used the tail wheel lock on the 185 because it did shimmy without it. Never stuck. Didn’t have two pins. Had a collar with a center key that rotated back into a key way in the top of the tail wheel fork trunnion.
It will only shimmy if there is something wrong with it or you have a big tailwheel and the axis of the rotational disc is not horizontal to the ground. Set up right they never shimmy.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 there was nothing wrong with it. It only shimmied briefly at touchdown, particularly when a lot of rudder was input for crosswinds. Just lock it and it’s straight and does have to shake before finding center.
Oh look it has a Float Plane Exhaust. Yes, we are paying attention. So what are you to call the modified 182??? 184!!! Good Job Mark! Mery Christmas Sir!
I agree Mark! I love the detail and the way you explain the intricacies of all these aircraft. Can't help it notice, this turbo normalized RG while you're flying it looks like the strut cover is collapsing and opening up? Is that the camera effect or is it really doing that?
Mark, and I know you know this but the 470 and 520 essentially have the same cases and similar cranks, either 2.5 inch journals or in a BB 2.75 inch journals. But the big difference is the piston bores, 5.25 in a 520 and 550 and a 5 inch bore on the 470. With 550 the stroke was also increased from a 4 inch stroke on the 470 and 520 to 4.25 inches on the 550. So a 470 was a 5X4 bore and stroke, the 520 is 5.25 X4 inches and the 550 is 5.25X4.25. Cygnet has the STC to convert a 470 to a 520.
Thanks Mark. Love the video's. But the stinger is actually the tail cone with the light on the end. The bit with the tailwheel is called the Tail Gear Spring. Sorry :)
The 180 and 185 and 182's from 1956 to 1961 have a trimmable horizontal stabilizers with an elevator attached behind it in the conventional way. No trim tab though. The elevator becomes the trim tab ... in effect.
183? So it’s just a touch closer to being a 185 than the 180 it was born as? 😉 Would a “183” sell for slightly less than a comparable 185? Or are they so close it’s based on the individual aircraft?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 That just makes too much sense. Thanks so much for that great and incredibly informative video. Hope you had fun with it. Happy Christmas.
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It's such a pleasure watching someone who knows what he's talking about, talking about something he knows about!
Thanks.
Another priceless lesson from Jedi Master Obi Wan Pilkington. Thanks a lot from all your padawans.
Oh Mark, you're such a Cessna detail nerd! Reminds me of myself in my younger days. Well done! The 185 has always been my Cessna of choice, but this '183' is very nice indeed. I always smile at the Captain Morgan pose and comment! Keep up the great content!
OK, Will do. Thanks.
This is currently my favorite aviation TH-cam channel. I just love listening to the different model information, walk arounds, and little details. It’s great
Thank you
thanks to your editor for leaving "cut" in the vid at 5:40 and the fumble at 10:40.
fantastic deep dive. I wondered what a 183 was.
Editors choice.
Great to see you back again Mark - I was beginning to get worried! I really enjoy your somewhat light-hearted and very informative videos which should be essential viewing for anyone looking to buy an aircraft covered by one of your episodes
Thank you kindly!
Love your vids. Thank you. My grandson is in flight school, so I have to keep up ;)
That is awesome!
Love these plane overviews!
this is my old airplane! owned it for almost 10 years...fabulous bird, i still have the 5th-6th seat for the back i should sell.
Did we buy it off you back then?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 yes you did..
Great information ❤ tks
We had C185s waaay back in the early 60s that delivered afternoon newspapers to country Victoria…..out of Moorabbin Airport.
We went through 205, 206 and horrible 207 to BE36s…….plus Cherokee 6 and a Comanche 400.
Awesome Plane!!! Thanks, Mark!
Thank you for the time spent creating yet another video…love the content.
Thanks.
Thanks Mark.
Great video Mark. Always learn something about the Skywagon from your videos. Love my 1954 180 with the O-470-50 Pponk
You own one. They are great engines, especially in the lighter older planes like yours.
A most enjoyable vid. Love the technical details 💪🏽
Appreciate it!
Thank you Mark, Fantastic video as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it
Mark again this is my very most favorite Tailwheel ever made
Me too.
I would like to come out there to demo one with you 😃
Great work as usual!
Appreciate that
I bought my '61 182 from Steve Knopp.. (pponk industries) went up to his place to see it, fly it.. (he flew it, i watched from the right seat) ..his runway is about 1200 ft, maybe?.. the 0470-50 with a 3 blade McCalley made short work of it anyway. It was a fun hot-rod. Merry Christmas Mark and Don! 🌲
Thank you.
Hi Mark - Great video! One note, I own a 1980 180K with a factory float kit. When I bought it, it had an optional *factory* tailwheel lock. It’s in the POH as well as an option. We ended up removing it for a tailwheel upgrade but it was a factory option at least for that model and year.
True. 180's had TW locks if the new buyer when new ordered it.
LOL, C183, "I made it up!!" Good video Mark!!
Thanks.
Wow - I learned something ! Can’t imagine no tail wheel lock , Scare me ! Zinger ground loop .
180 and 185's hardly ever use a TW Lock.
Nice aeroplane, I wouldn't say no.
Youre a mine of information Mark, thanks for the enlightenment ✌️👍😊
It's a nice one.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 Yep it's a beauty for sure 👍✌️😊
That sound! LOVE IT! Purrs like a kitten 🙂 (Granted, a lion cub 🙂 )
Another pro to a carbureted O-520 is it’s not finicky about hot starting, unlike some of the fuel injected models. Definite plus on floats.
It starts like a Toyota, hot or cold. Turn the key and she's running.
Another great video. Never apologize for the "Captain Morgan."
It amuses me more than it should.
New company plane. You did good, everyone has a jet, your company plane has class.
I wish it was mine.
I learn something every time I watch one of these videos. Nice to know I own a 186.
So is a 186 a 185 with an IO-550 by any chance?
@@skywagonuniversity5023 According to my wife, it refers to the 186k I spent on every other upgrade.
Love the video Mark. Don’t know if anyone else made the correction but the 185 gear starts in 1964 G model
Thanks, I was caught on the fly there.
I always used the tail wheel lock on the 185 because it did shimmy without it.
Never stuck.
Didn’t have two pins. Had a collar with a center key that rotated back into a key way in the top of the tail wheel fork trunnion.
It will only shimmy if there is something wrong with it or you have a big tailwheel and the axis of the rotational disc is not horizontal to the ground. Set up right they never shimmy.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 there was nothing wrong with it. It only shimmied briefly at touchdown, particularly when a lot of rudder was input for crosswinds. Just lock it and it’s straight and does have to shake before finding center.
I used to fly tours in 61266 out of Rangeley Maine! This was my baby! Had it on PK floats back then.
Small world. Excellent.
I'm the guy that bought it from you, had your logo decal on the back of the airplane, i did not buy the floats.
Oh look it has a Float Plane Exhaust. Yes, we are paying attention. So what are you to call the modified 182??? 184!!! Good Job Mark! Mery Christmas Sir!
Ha, well spotted, yes it does. Modified 182, hmmmm. 184? not sure about that one.
I agree Mark! I love the detail and the way you explain the intricacies of all these aircraft.
Can't help it notice, this turbo normalized RG while you're flying it looks like the strut cover is collapsing and opening up? Is that the camera effect or is it really doing that?
That is the camera wobbling
Mark, did this plane have a wet wing? Noticed the windshield brace as for a float plane. I had a Cessna 180 J, 1974. Best toy I ever bought.😊
No wet wing until 1979. That one is a 1977
Mark, and I know you know this but the 470 and 520 essentially have the same cases and similar cranks, either 2.5 inch journals or in a BB 2.75 inch journals. But the big difference is the piston bores, 5.25 in a 520 and 550 and a 5 inch bore on the 470. With 550 the stroke was also increased from a 4 inch stroke on the 470 and 520 to 4.25 inches on the 550. So a 470 was a 5X4 bore and stroke, the 520 is 5.25
X4 inches and the 550 is 5.25X4.25. Cygnet has the STC to convert a 470 to a 520.
True.
Really enjoy your videos Mark. My 76J 180 does have a tail wheel lock, would that have been a special order as you stated that they were only on 185s?
Yes that would have been ordered when it was new. Very rare.
Aeronave bonita e desconhecida.
3:20 the old classic case of the 185 ego-itis haha
No substitute for Horsepower.
Note that I have a 1981 Cessna 180k with a tail wheel lock.
Tailwheel locks on 180's were a factory option.
Excellent video Mark! Love this deep dive. If you have one, a video on a Bushliner would be cool!
And by this I mean the 1850!
I'll do a Bushliner as soon as there is a complete finished one.
Thanks Mark.
Love the video's.
But the stinger is actually the tail cone with the light on the end. The bit with the tailwheel is called the Tail Gear Spring. Sorry :)
Erm, I think the stinger is the tube that the tailwheel is on. The bit that the light is on is the tailcone. :-)
Do you ever get to see a Wipaire Boss 182 on amphibian floats. Would love to see you review it.
If I get one, I'll do it.
The flying horizontal tail planes on the 185 … ? As in no elevators - Am I right ???
The 180 and 185 and 182's from 1956 to 1961 have a trimmable horizontal stabilizers with an elevator attached behind it in the conventional way. No trim tab though. The elevator becomes the trim tab ... in effect.
Damn, if I buy a plane I’ll pay you to do the pre buy!!
Ha. OK.
Interesting, the lightweight prop, does it not add a bit of vibration at idle speed?
No, It is very very smooth. The big Continentals are very counter-weighted internally.
Ok … cut to the chase cobber ..$$$$ no pork pies …
You could pass as an Arthur Daley ..😂
Not many people know who he is in his sheepskin coat and his old Jag. Arfer.
You should showcase the Navion you have for sale. They are cool planes. Very P-51 ish...
Very good idea. Here you go!
th-cam.com/video/Wfqr9lmkE-c/w-d-xo.html
@@skywagonuniversity5023 thanks a bunch! 👍
You may have been busy but not in selling my friends 170😊!
180 cabin is narrower than the 185 though, right? Same size as early 182s and 170/172s
180 and 185 cabins are the same from beginning to end. A 185 is the same width as a 172.
Feel lucky that I went with the 185 right off the bat. This is an awesome airplane but a lot of downtime and money in mods to make this what it is.
Why the Gross weight difference on a 1956 180 between wheels(2550lbs) and Floats(2870lbs)?
It's just how Cessna Certified them.
How many of these 183's do you think are out there?
Quite a few. 180 owners, and 185 owners will modify them a lot. The favorite is a bigger engine and STOL Kits.
I wonder if Hartzell is feeling the competition of the composite materials competitors?
Would you still use aluminium?
🌏🇭🇲
Each prop type has it's place.
What no cell phone calls during recording of the video?
His phone must be broken!
My phone was on and in my pocket, we got lucky.
What is the compression ratio on the O-470-50
I think that it is 7:1
So one bother. You said the 180 strut was the same as a 182. So must be the on board piece that precudes an AD?
The 80 and 185's are not included in the lower wing strut AD. It's how they attach and it is different to a 182.
I’m in San Diego. Where is it?
It's at Placerville in North Eastern California (KPVF) near Sacramento and it is of course for sale.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 talking that 182
@@RaceMentally Which 182? I have several for sale and several coming in.
Whats the name of the intro tune?
It was free online music.
183? So it’s just a touch closer to being a 185 than the 180 it was born as? 😉 Would a “183” sell for slightly less than a comparable 185? Or are they so close it’s based on the individual aircraft?
Yes, it should be a 182.5 but that's hard to say. Regarding value, They sell for more than the equivalent 180 but less than the equivalent 185.
@@skywagonuniversity5023 That just makes too much sense. Thanks so much for that great and incredibly informative video. Hope you had fun with it. Happy Christmas.