Amazing Indian Hand-Planes
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hi, i was just wondering if you ever released that video guide on which is the best plane for a budget buy?
A hollow in the middle of the iron is not really a problem as long as its flat from where the chip breaker meets the iron
Got my Draper for $31 after shipping! Thanks for the recommendation!
How well is the Draper treating you?
I have pretty much the same plane with the same blade advancement problem. I got it at Harbor Freight for $15 + came with a bonus mini-plane which I actually really like once I got it all fixed up. One issue (in addition to All of the Probs Rex mentioned) was that the holes where the tree attaches to the base were not totally bored out, so it was a little crooked overall, and not close enough to the mouth to allow much blade advancement. Also (fyi), when selecting my plane at the retail location, I carefully inspected each one to make sure I got the best chance at a decent tool. There is SO much variation between individual planes. Mouth size, for example, was > 1/2 " variance! I chose the smallest opening thinking I could enlarge it if need be. I also had to make a new handle. These are made for folks with tiny hands.
Love your channel Rex! Keep up the good work. (P.S. I also bought the #33 there (which Rex looks at in another video) for same price, and I have had slightly better results.)
I have an old hand plane I bought new a number of years ago. I think it was made by these guys.
I have a spokeshave from this company, thick blade and its held up really well. Great video!
Wrong! You failed to communicate.
Think I've seen this video 5 times. Love the content, Rex has that personality every teacher should have, he makes learning fun again.
Wrong!
That’s like saying every electrical cable is the same.
They’re not Stanley copies, that frog is record copy.
Why ship the rosewood to other countries if it’s origin is India?
Middlemen have no elegance to you buyers.
What you expect from English tools you can’t expect from India tools.
The electric plane exists and it superseded hand planes and so did machine planes.
Nicely done Rex and very informative. That Grizzly looks a lot like the Taytools no. 4, and with the adjusting screw for the frog, it appears to be made by the same company. They are quite proud of their plane and their price reflects that... $80 delivered. When they first started offering their line of planes, they were much closer in price to Grizzly's current pricing.
Even though I am all set with my smoothing planes, I'll keep watching because I enjoy your content. Keep up the good work!
I have the Taytools no. 4, and I think that it is the same plane. It's also the same design as used by Rockler for their Bench Dog no. 4 (though Rockler has the lever cap with a brass color as opposed to chrome). I have purchased both of the two planes above, and have seen some quality control issues.
The Rockler no. 4 that I had was badly scraped up, had a rough and out of square frog, and just didn't fit together quite right. Otherwise, the same things that Rex saw with the Grizzly were present with Rockler. I returned that plane, as I had hoped that the increased price would have meant that the setup would have been a bit easier (I've restored 6 planes from rusty condition, but I wanted to invest less time in that one).
The Taytools plane was purchased when it was just under $40 shipped via eBay and was pretty easy to set up. I have noticed the blade doesn't want to advance far enough when set up with the chipbreaker set close to the edge of the blade. This is both from the same screw issue seen with the Big Horn plane, and the chip breaker hole ending up hitting the screw that tensions the lever cap (you can see it happening at 12:40-12:43 in this video). My lateral adjuster was also off-center, so adjusting it is a bit annoying. Overall, I think this is worth it for the price Grizzly is offering the plane for, but not as much at the current Taytools price.
I bought a few Stanley Sweatheart era planes (1930s) and fully restored them. They are about the pinnacle of Stanley development (except their Bedrocks). Really excellent castings. Buy cheap from eBay and enjoy restoring them.
I also restored a full set of Stanley Bedrocks (including #2) from junk status and installed Hock blades and chip breakers. These are my users and they are awesome. During the restoration I applied real asphaltum coating which is far superior to paint or powder coating. Those Victorians knew something!
You can buy #4 and #5 regular Bailey pattern very inexpensively and have the real thing.
Bravo Rex for encouraging people to use handplanes. Love to see it.
If you can find one economically, this is a great solution. For some reason, the price on some older Stanleys go through cycles where even junk ones aren't particularly cheap, at least in the US version of Ebay.
Notice how humans destroyed the tools?
Humans are scum who destroy all tools. You’re no exception.
So, where's the "end of the summer, big shoot out, testing video" ??
Interesting! My new "Silverline" plane looks veeeeeeeeeeery very similar. And mine is awkward, getting it to advance too.
It’s amazing. Silverline, Spear and Jackson, Draper.....all similar prices. I want a no.7 next, already having a vintage Acorn no4 and Record no5, but the jump from a Chinese/Indian one for £45 to an Irwin on for £120 is obviously significant.
Looking forward to more”real” unsponsored plane comparisons. Thanks Rex
He specifically says at the end of the video that he's not sponsored by anyone except for his patrons on Patreon.
@@somika87 That's what I meant as in thank you for being forthright and buying them yourself. No snarkiness intended.
Rex you are totally awesome!! I couldn't stop myself from subscribing your channel. This is highly popular in India and I was always thinking what would experts like you would feel about this. Sobha is a small but quality tool maker and little pricey for our indian taste( we are a little price sensitive people :) or just cheap people ha ha) . Thank you again for such quality content, I have been going over your channel for last 4 hrs non-stop!!
Since I spend some time in India, I was able to buy 2 planes in India from Soba, the cost was 2100 INR about $28 USD. They were worth the set up time.
Good job. Clear, effective and accurate analysis. Thanks for your time.
Glad it was helpful!
An easy fix for adjusting for a heavier cut is to adjust the chip breaker/cap iron further back from the cutting edge. This allows the blade give a heavier cut without any major adjustments to the cap iron or it's screw, as you only realistically need to cut very slightly deeper. Another adjustment you can make - to obtain a heavier cut - is to camber the cutting edge more heavily, but this tends to be reserved for use with the jack plane #5. Best comparisons can be drawn if checking measurements/dimensions used by makers such as Stanley and then compare these with the cheaper planes in this video.
Never thought Indian made plane could live up to your expectations. Thanks for the video . Cheers from Haryana , India.
The Grizzly TOTALLY lived up to my expectations. Do you hear about Sobha planes in India? Are they popular?
Never heard of it , dear Sir..
@chandraguptawillruletheworld xx Its Soba. Shobha is different company.
@@arpitagarwal82 nope it's same. This is quite popular 😂 in india if you are a handtool worker. almost every indian diy woodworking group I am part of , praise sobha or soba highly. I have 4 planes and so does many from the group. While I am no expert, every expert in the group praise all of their planes barring the low angle Jack plane which even Rex gave bad review.
I've gone for the Faithful No.7 jointer in the UK. £48 including delivery. Let's see how it holds up.
Thanks - probably saved me a lot of money.
Watching this as the 3rd hour of 9th august 2021 unfolds.. Really amusing to listen to the explaination.. But reason i gate crashed here was to find out and listen to another history lesson on woodworking tools and wood related info..
Soba, makes metal working tools also that have a somewhat decent reputation. However, my first plane was an Indian plane made by Anant. It put me off woodworking for more than two decades. I just could not learn to plane with it!
I got the grizzly and like it. I've seen several other planes in my price range and this was much better than the others that I saw.
I own an English record n. 4 with the same kind of frog adjuster. I think it was the last model produced by the brand in the 80's.
Bridgeport. The ultimate. Expensive but they’re amazing.
No argument from me!
It's a common misconception that the side has to be perfectly square with the sole to shoot on a shooting board. Simply make a lateral adjustment to the iron to make it square. Even if the sole is square you will need to make some test cuts to make sure the iron is adjusted so that it produces square cuts.
This only works for very small adjustments and for very thin boards. When you laterally adjust, the blade is no longer square to the sole. It will protrude farther out of the mouth of the plane on one end than the other. If the edge of the board is high in this spot, the cut may be too deep, and the plane might jam or the board might chowder/tear. So for very slightly out-of-square plane, used on 3/4" board, it might work ok. But it might not.
As of right now 3/25/22, Draper is the cheapest on The Amazon at $38.77. Thanks, Rex!
The old Stanley planes used a coating called 'japanning" to get a durable chip resistant black coating on the plane.
And today 15th August is the Independence day of India.
Happy Independence Day India!!!
Thanks Rex and as always, love your videos and your humor. Its always a delight to watch you create something valuable out of nothing. Thanks once again.
My go to plane is a McIntosh and Heather Cleveland, Oh. Don’t know much about it 😁👍
Never even heard of that one and I LIVE in Cleveland!
Rex Krueger It’s the name on the blade. Old plane I got at an auction. It has a serrated bottom.
I have exactly the same hand plane, except for the handle and knob, which are in plastic, and a logo that was stamped somewhere.
By sheer luck, I've found the same smoothing plane in a £35 smoothing/block plane boxset from Faithful. The block plane isn't great, but it's good to know that the smoother has potential with a little TLC.
Late to this, apologies. In my experience, many companies in India sub contract out the work to small workshops. They have a central company that does the international marketing etc, but the manufacture is piecemeal. The more sophisticated ones recognise the differences in quality and brand and price the products differently to reflect this. The others do not which makes purchasing a bit of a lottery! But people like you review the models and really help us to make the right choice, so thank you.
That's very interesting. Soba appears to do most of their work in-house. They can cast iron and heat-treat steel.
I’m glad you manage to get to try a Faithful even if branded under another name. I only have one my #7 and I couldn’t be happier with it, but it’s more in the style of the Grizzly. Speaking of which, surely Grizzly Power Tools can’t be happy about the trademark infringement.
Oh, it's the same company. They sell EVERYTHING.
Rex Krueger I always thought the Grizzly bandsaws etc were American, you learn something every day.
NO WAY!! Grizzly is just a distributor of Asian-made tools. Some of them are very good, but nothing is made in the US.
I had an Indian copy of a Stanley no 4 years ago ,the cutting iron was sloping at a steeper angle than normal ,but it still worked pretty well .The other thing I noticed it weighed a lot heavier than a Record ,Stanley or the French makes .I Indians don’t make refined tools ,but they are oK in a rough & ready way & could be picked up new in U.K. markets for a few pounds .I even seen solid looking twin pinion Indian hand drills in pound shops for a £1 in U.K. .Also I have a set of Draper combination spanner’s ( USA wrenches ) which cost £5 made in India dropped forged used many times still going strong like new .40 years old .Snap on don’t last that long without having to be exchanged several times .
I got a 10' plane made in India at Leroy Merlin (a French big box store) for €10,- more or less $11,- very similar to this. Totally worth the 2-3hours spend on setting it. Although the mouth is quit big so I turned it in a No4 scrub plane.
I've always been a little suspicious of the "Chip breaker". Is that its real job, or is it to hold the blade edge more solidly? I don't understand it completely.
Thank you for your informative and often funny videos, Rex. I live in Cape Town, South Africa and for some inexplicable reason there are almost no hand planes available from any supplier in the country. However, this morning I visited a very smart shop called the Hardware Centre and immediately they showed me the Soba range. I did the sole square test on the No. 4 - fail, but the 4 ½ passed this test. They also showed me a Veritas No. 4, but at more than double the price of the Soba and then I'd still have to part with more money for a blade! Nuts! The Soba range looks very similar to the Grisley in your video - powder coated, with matte coated handles (shoe and foot?), knife edge chip breaker, but the cap is made from brass. Anyway, after negotiating a discount, I took the plunge and bought the 4 ½ for about $100. I'll start preparing it tomorrow. Keep up the good work.
Interesting good video, I had on a whim ordered a couple of India planes because they were cheap and looked good. I had the same trouble as you did with a Draper #4 plane and with the cap iron screw bottoming out in the slot on frog preventing it from even coming out enough to cut wood. Then I have the opposite thing on a #3 spear and jackson plane, the mechanism would not retract far enough to keep the blade from sticking out, at least that was an easier fix. Thanks again for your great info and fun presentations.
Rex, I recently bought a Lautus No 4 style plane ($80 from Amazon). I would be very interested in your impression of it. I have been struggling to get it properly tuned but I am really a beginner at this. Seems to me like it has a lot of potential, but I don't really know how to approach issues with, for example, the lateral adjustment lever. I love your vids, keep up the great work!
What's the matter with the lateral?
@@RexKrueger The blade doesn't want to move with the full swing of the lever. I am not sure if the problem is how the lever engages the blade assembly or something else. The milling on the frog is kind of rough so possibly something there is preventing smooth movement, or even causing the blade to sit far enough out of square that the lever just can't adjust it enough. I was able to get the blade square to the sole with a few hammer taps and get even shavings. This weekend I hope to spend some time on the frog and the inside of the sole to see if I can get it all to bed together better. Other than that it's a decent plane, very similar to the Grizzley but with a more traditional frog adjustment screw. Thanks for the response! I really appreciate this series, it has inspired me to spend less time in front of a screen and more time making a mess in the garage!
Thanks
3:03. We can indeed. It's called the Spear & Jackson CSP4 No. 4 Smoothing Plane and retails for £19, which is a little over $23 US. These are a nice find, because I know someone who's looking for an inexpensive plane, and these should fit the bill. Nice 👍
It’s called ikea.
Tools don’t exist anymore.
Stop wasting your life on this stuff. Take back control from the baby boomers and start thinking for yourself.
I think I still have a leaning towards second hand. It is very easy ihere n the UK to find old planes in antique centres, junk shops and second hand shops. Sometimes the sellers are over optimistic and ask for silly prices in the belief they are 'collectable'. This means Stanley are often overpriced, as are Record. But there are a LOT of little known planes that sell at very low prices, especially if they are a bit scratched and rusty. I have bought a No.4 and a No.5 plus a couple of spokeshaves with the brand name 'Rapier'. This were made by a long defunct British manufacturer ("The Anglo Scottish Tool Company") that seems to have no prestige or reputation that has survived to today, so they are dirt cheap. I payed about £10 each ($13?) I've seen plenty more out there, since. There are many other little known names that do not command much money, too. Now, I had to work on them a bit as they were rusty and worn - but no more work than you did on these new planes. They all came with good irons. I've had them for a couple of years and I am very happy with them.
So you think these planes are better value than an old Stanley that needs a bit of work?
Also I have no idea why you are worried of the sole is square to the sides. If it's out a hair and you want to use it on shooting board you simply adjust the blade with the lateral adjuster.
Awesome video. I saw at 5:46 you use Klingspor brand sandpaper! I love their stuff too! I'm in NC, so I go to Klingspor's woodworking shop to get all the sandpaper I use... it's awesome. Pounds of awesome industrial quality abrasive for a buck fifty a pound? (The bargain box you can pick through yourself if you go in) Fantastic.
I'm always excited to see a "real" woodworker using their stuff too. So much cheaper than Home Depot, etc...heck it's cheaper (and of course *way* better quality) than Harbor Freight!
Plus, Klingspor's woodworking shop is a sponsor of Izzy Swan's channel, which is super cool. I'll shut up now, lol. You rock, Rex.
I love the Klingspor! I buy it in bulk at car-show flea markets. Pennies on the dollar!
Not sure what happened between the posting of the video and the design of the Big Horn plane, but the cam-lock has been replaced with a thumb-wheel.
India used to produce junk with stamped steel frogs back in the days, hence why people might still steer away from stuff coming from India.
Moral of this story. But vintage: non Stanley brands: keen kutter, union, wards, pre ww2 Stanley’s, even old rust if not pitted heavily can be quality user.
I just picked up an early keen kutter K5 (identical to Stanley bedrock round sided type) for $15. Light tune up and it’s a superb plane with laminated blade. (Some manufacturers used to laminate their plane blades back in the days)
The lowes plane looks a lot like these
I don't understand the recent modern fascination with archaic woodworking tools like handplanes the last decade or so. As far back as my early childhood I remember one kicking around the workshop that my dad or pépère would occasionally dust off to fix an old squeaky door and that's about it. In my pépère's words "Someone went to a lot of trouble to invent a better tool why on earth would I take the long way around?" I have that old handplane now and use it once every other year or so for the same purpose - to fix an old squeaky door or fit a new one into an old house. I have a proper modern planer and jointer for preparing rough wood for projects and a battery operated palm router and a straight edge for when I have to go to the work. I can square stock up with a handplane if I have to I just don't see the point unless society and modern civilization completely collapses and there's no other way.
I bought an "Indian Stanley Plane" for less than 10 €, about 11 £, I smoothed the sole, the iron and I sharpened everything with sandpaper ... and it works, for less than 10 €
you should check what honing is, it isnt what you think it is. quite the opposite, of what you think, defines honing against sharpening
one important attribute of honig is, that it is non-abrasiv
How about those Chinese "Juuma" Lie-Nielsen clones? Not exactly cheap, but dang, they are good.
The Chinese plane performs very similar to lie Nielsen and are 100 times better than the Indians plane. Don't trash your money on Indian planes.
Hi Rex => the CGI blue grid of you're intro is weird in the middle of the screen (vertical bold line missing)
I appreciate the tip, but in over 100 videos, you're the first person to mention that,.
@@RexKrueger I see little details others don't see ! Now you have to edit and re-publish all off your previous videos with that little mistake corrected ... or just tell me the name of the nice font you use for your title XD
(Wow! you read all the comments in your channel => BRAVO!)
Watching and listening some woodworkers like you help me a lot to improve my english level ... and my skills in woodworking.
I like a lot you're "minimalist" approach and clever advices.
It's called Rough Draft. You can buy it for $5. And yup, I read all my comments.
@Oliviero: That's how you know it's an original Rex Krueger video and not a fake. ;)
PS I also buy old tools from car boot sales [yard sales] I find old tool are made of better steel.
I've said this on another plane video but man do I love having a surface grinder when I gotta square up a plane body or sole or a bad blade. You can get an absurdly square body for shooting with a surface grinder and a granite surface plate
Rex, I bought the Grizzly a while back. I've been happy with it. This past week, I was working on some SYP and started to get clogging. I resharpened the blade, but problem persisted. Today, I've examined the chip breaker under magnification. I would think that it should come to a point, similar to a blade. However, the flat that contacts the blade and the bevel on top do not meet at a sharp angle. There is blunt edge I measure at about 0.5 mm. Can you describe the edge of the iron and the desired shape and junction between the iron and the blade? Thanks. Ed
You need a knife edge, sharp enough that you can cut yourself on it.
@@thewalnutwoodworker6136 Thank you. Some time back I found David Charlesworth's video "Preparing the chip breaker for use". Wonderful presentation on this very subject..
Good info, thanks (and thanks for the UK brands too; never heard of them). Draper have a large presence in the UK too, in case that helps for the future. I've been burned by them in the past but it seems like the last couple of years have seen a turnaround in quality, & they're no longer selling crap in line with brands like Silverline or Amtech. If you see either of those two names on something that's more than a single piece of soft metal, avoid unless you want a good laugh.
Have you tested the iron for endurance? How long can they plane before needing resharpened?
I ask for 2 reasons. I learned from your follow ups on the $2 Iron that durability matters here. AND the geeks at lumberjocks (ptui) insist it's a mild steel iron that can't even BE hardened. I may dislike the average lumberjock denizen, but I wouldn't call then dishonest, necessarily.
Those dudes are hitting pipe if they think this iron is mild steel. I don't know how may of them are smiths, but I am and I am 100% positive this is hardened, high-carbon steel.
@@RexKrueger My general opinion is that most of them are 'pipesmokers' anyway, so good to hear.
I'm ordering a grizzly thru your affiliate link tomorrow then. I've got planes out the wazoo, but making cheap stuff work is a hobby.
In fact, that's how I found your channel, looking for a better homemade acme thread vise option for a SYP roubo I'm planning. I've watched every bit of your content since then.
Great stuff, as I've said, you're like a god
I'm only like a god to my wife. (Even then, probably not.) But thanks anyway!
@@RexKrueger Don't sell yourself short (except with the wife, I have one, I know how that goes.)
You built a lathe, where I settled for a drill powered one. You COULD have built a 24" swing lathe, but you suddenly got good at math and chickened out. You stepped out and started a woodworking business, and a TH-cam channel, from scratch. I've been building musical instruments on homemade tools for 18 years and I'm still not ready to quit my day job.
You're at least a demiurge.
The big horn looks identical to the kobalt I just bought. Although the iron was really well ground I just had to hone it and go.
Good video.
I suspect the chinese wooden plane will be near the top of the big comparison, though its hammer-adjust will make it lose in your eyes compared to the grizzly (or another, better possible mechanical plane.) However, I think that considering that you can get 3x 15-20$ planes of varying settings vs 1x 50$ plane is important.
Thanks for the knowledge Rex about these Planes Sir
looks like they are all the same now. None of the links have the flip up holder, they are all screw on now.
Really interesting video. I've tried new cheaper planes but avoid the lot like the plague. I've sent a few back to manufacturers pointing out the flaws in them. Buying older Record (proper Record not Irwin Record) or Stanley used planes on Ebay for similar money to either of those two 'new' planes makes more sense. Far better build quality, far better steel, better design and finishing. My current favourite is a pre-war Record Jack - 80 years old and very well used but it is so well made. Better your time into tidying up an older tool that's already well made rather than fixing poor manufacturing from last week.
Rex, I wonder what is the real value of a "shoot out" of a large variety of inexpensive tools, if the quality control makes the variation of each tested model relatively uncertain? I'm not saying I don't want to hear about your impressions of, say, six bench jacks or smoothers, but as you said here, proclaiming one or the other "best" seems a bit presumptuous. At best, you can say that YOUR xyz plane is the best of your tested set of six. OTOH, your advice to make certain that the tool is returnable is invaluable. Nice, informative video, IMO. Thanks.
Based on what you say, nearly all tool reviews and comparisons are pointless. FFS, there's at least one of you in every comment section. Of course it isn't a scientifically rigorous assessment. Just take it for what it is and move on.
Your comment is really insightful, but uncertain quality control would be an issue at any price. You never know how one example compares to another unless you have a bunch of one model to test. This is the best resource I can offer to the budget woodworker. My only alternative is to do nothing.
@@RexKrueger I appreciate that. I only wanted to stress that, since you're aiming your conclusions to beginners, you should avoid implying that brand X is the best in any absolute sense and keep reminding us to verify the "returnability" of any purchases. I think you're doing an excellent job and find your comments insightful and useful.
Y porque sales tu explica sin salir en el video / basta con ver el proyecto amigo / toma en cuenta la sugerencia /! Saludes
Or you can buy Lie Nielsen or Veritas and use them out-of-the-box with almost zero tuning. They will also outlast two or three lifetimes in a normal everyday use. 4x-5x the price, and you will never question if you want another plane. Also, no need for flat plates, sandpaper, multiple sharpening stones - just 1000 and 4000 grit stones for quick 5 min polishings... ;)
It must be nice to have that kind of money, but many people don't and never will. They deserve to do woodwork, too. And, when you buy a plane that needs no tuning, you never get the invaluable experience of really learning how it works and how to fix it.
I'm looking at grizzly's 2019 catalog right now and the model H7569 10" smoothing plane is listed at $32.95 + $9.99 S&h.
The Amazon prices fluctuate a bit, that's why I liked directly to the Grizzly site, too.
You are my hero
You're too kind!
Looking at the Grizzly H7569 on the Grizzly site. The description indicates a serrated sole. I've heard those are not good on a smoothing plane. Is that true?
It's not a problem to have a corrugated sole, but I prefer flat.
Interested in this or another budget plane. When looking at reviews(under Faithfull brand) I saw the common theme in the negative ones was the quality of the blade; not just sharpening but the quality of the steel and failing to hold an edge with use. Not sure if this is a matter of quality control or should go into buying it expecting to replace the iron.
You still have a long way to go to convince me to cough up over my secondhand Stanley #5, which was
No where in this video did I even ATTEMPT to get you to give up your Stanley. Not remotely a goal of mine.
Yeah, his goal is to make money from ads on TH-cam. It has nothing to do with tools or furniture making.
@Flat Bastard Engineering Channel I got sick of every book about woodworking, being a BEGINNERS BOOK, I turned to TH-cam and got EVERY VID is a lie. And I’m still being talked down too.
They’re all keeping me down at the level of beginner. I’m born yesterday, over and over and over.
@@dreyn7780 THAT'S !! SIMPLY !! A !! GENERATIONAL !! THING !! THATS !! THE !! PROBLEM !!
@@dreyn7780 HE !! PROBABLY !! WOULDN'T !!! BE !! ON !! YOU !! TUBE !! IF!! THAT !! WASN'T !!! HAPPENING !!! FOR !! HIM !!!
Craig's List, flea markets, rummage sales have inexpensive hand planes. Often, the prep work (flattening, etc.) has been done by a previous owner. Prices usually lower than these. Excellent review. Thank you.
Wrong! Humans destroy tools cause they don’t make any money from them cause you’re all thrifty scum 24/7. That results in you having NO friends.
@@dreyn7780 Having no other proofs, I 'll have to take your word for it.
Rex, so I took a risk after seeing this and bought a Spears & Jackson version of no. 4 for 25$ in Europe. As you say, it looks very good, it feels solid, the casting part is almost flawless. It has, however, a (structural?) issue with the frog. The thread for the throat adjustment screw is drilled at a wrong angle and does not allow the screw to hold and move the frog forth and back. This is a shame, luckily you can circumvent the problem and adjust the mouth opening through the two frog screws. Have you experienced this issue with the American types? Take care
@@TheGumbs Well, he mentions the adjustment screw and the 'unusual design' so I should assume he tested it (?)
Soba make a STD and Premium plane, the cam lever one is the "STD" and the other is the premium. Also sold in England under the Ryder brand.
That's useful! Thanks!
I can't seem to find these... Not Rider sold by Axminster i presume?
@@markfinney8783 yes Rider, sorry, but I think Rider buy the Premium
@@gavinalmeida1994 ahhh cheers, look nice but not exactly budget!
do you use a hand plane on your head?
Here I am looking at this in early February of 2021 and wondering if you've tried any of the "Bench Dog Planes" from India offered by Rockler yet? I have their #92 Shoulder Plane, #151 round sole Spokeshave and their open throat Router Plane, all of which seem to work pretty well out of the box w/minor adjustments and, of course, sharpening.
tbh that was an awesome review, you show how you can buy a decent cheap plane, without shaming the producers or buyers with elitism, you show how the plane CAN be fixed up nice, you show flaws, but also strengths.... overall , a pretty great review vide tbh , +sub.
Wrong!
Lies all lies. He warned you he’s been paid to lie.
He’s only interested in filling up TH-cam with STUFF.
You yourself have made sure nobody can make any money with tools.
Glass is not flat if you dont believe me get a machinist flat edge and put it on it . For home use get a large marble tile this has been machined and will prove to be true flat where as glass is poured and will have a wave in it .
India is amazing 😍 what other good hand tools do they sell?
Do you use 3 in one Oil on your wet stones?
That's a real question. I use a cuting oil (Oil used on drll bits for metal) to flatening every metal piece in sand paper upon a thick glass plate.
But I just deploy water or glass cleanner on my wet or diamond stones.
The oil save me a lot of time on sand paper, but I don't know if wet stones are compatible tô them.
So, this is weird, but it's "whet", not "wet". Whet just means sharpen, so any sharpening stone is a whet stone. It's easy to confuse whet stone with water stone. In this video I'm sharpening with oil stones. They're meant for oil. You should not use oil on water or diamond stones.
@@RexKrueger Tranks for the answer. I was "almost" puting mineral oil in a cheap knife water stone... lol... "Almost", but I can tell you: It does't work.
I kind of a voice told me. 😁
As a carpentry learner, I really like your videos! But I have a question about putting down hand planes. I'm used to put them down on their side so that the blade doesn't touch any surface (and also my teacher told the learners to do that), but I've seen you putting them down upright. So I wonder if you've heard about the rule that I'm taught.
I believe I got a McAllister from Screwfix this week that appears to be the same as the Grizzly you are showing, albeit with crappy plastic handles for £22
Edit: scratch that, more like the bighorn without the qc issue
The frog adjustment (and other things) looks similar to the "footprint" brand planes sold in Lowe's in Canada. Those planes come with painted handles, and I find the single screw attachment of the tote (index pin on the toe) a contributor to the wobbly tote issue. Those go for about 55-60CAD (40 USD) and have similar issues (not quite flat sole, significant concavity on the iron)
I live in india. I got a plane like big horn but it's named Ananth I have the exact same problems I can't take huge passes at all
Rex, are you at a place where you can recommend a cheap hand plane (like the grizzly)??
I like the grizzly. I don't love it, but it's good for the price.
@@RexKrueger So nothing else has risen up to that level or above (in that price range) via your search from last summer to now?
One last question, have you any experience with the big box planes (buck brothers or kobalt)??
Thanks for your channel... it is informative and entertaining!
Looked at the kobalt in Lowe’s and the mouths were incredibly irregular as well as large so not great for smoothing. I can see now how it could be tuned for scrubbing.
Rex, what kind of sand paper do you use to flatten the plane? Some time ago I bought a nice no 4 Draper Expert smoothing plane and would like to tune it a bit more. Thanks
Thanks great video, maybe a router plane for the next video? 🤔 🤗
That's on the list!
I second that. The Veritas and Lie-Nielson router planes seem to be perpetually unavailable and used Stanley 71s are just stupid expensive for what they are. It'd be awesome to see some honest reviews of the cheap crappy looking router planes that seem to be for sale all over the internet.
Short version the cheaper one is not so good. The other one is okish.
Just caught this video yesterday, and since I've become sort of a hand plane junkie now (thanks Rex, now I'm poor again, LOL) so I went to your link on Amazon to look for these and lo-and-behold..... Stanley Record #4 and #4 1/2 planes for $45 and $55 (respectively)...... Actual Stanley planes. Needless to say, I didn't get the Indian ones......
I went on Amazon and it looks like the Grizzley's are no longer available. Any idea when they will be returning?
Go to Grizzley’s website. I just spent an hour drooling over their 500+ pg 2021 catalog
what sandpaper do you use to adjust the plane part.
120 grit.
A good iron alone costs $40.
Nah, decent carbon steel is way cheaper than that.
Excellent video Rex. Could you sometimes try to restore wooden hand plane? I found about 15 hand planes after my grand dad and of course they need some kind of restoration.. Some more some less but overall I dont even know how to start to not srew something up. I dont even know the brand if there is any.. They should at least 50 years old European style planes. Czech republic exactly
Rex, did you ever do the budget plane shootout? I'm unable to find it in your playlist. I'm wondering if this plane is worth it www.homedepot.com/p/Stanley-Bailey-9-3-4-in-Bench-Plane-12-904/203771412? It looks like the Big Horn you reviewed, but can't help but wonder if it might be a decent entry level plane? Thanks!
A file and some skill and you can square any plane!
That was very helpful, thank you. This video just popped up in my "recommended" feed, and I watched it because I am in the market for a decent hand plane to replace my entry-level Lowe's brand hand plane (it's"just okay" but I suspect it's a step below these two).
I will be looking forward to your results!
Glad to help!
It’s all lies.
The tools are a prop to get money from donating.
No one is getting rich from tools or making furniture.
@@dreyn7780 Interesting perspective.
I haven't met anyone who got rich asca woodworker, or a carpenter.
There's a Jewish guy I know quite well, who grew up a carpenter. And he never really had much in the way of money.
But there is something about the aroma of cedar...
If you want to get rich, go into sales.
@@RonJones_eVisibleMarketing yeah, we’re all having to deal with concepts handed down by people of the past.
I’ve been taught by people who made $350 per hour every hour of the day and they pointed out to me that they get appointed to do the job they do.
The people appointing them are not beholden to market forces / thrifty humans. The pay gets taken out of a company that no longer exists, so there’s nobody to complain.
Selling doesn’t make you much money cause every customer is thrifty.
That’s why Australia is in so much deep trouble at the moment.
Companies put all their profit onto 1 item and when that fails, they end the business.
The culture was hollowed out and not it’s too great a problem to fix.
They’re not going to go back to selling quantities with small profit margins, cause there’s no culture in multiple culture land.
I enjoyed watching him shoot squares, but I think he should shoot triangles, pentagons and circles. Otherwise it's shape-ist, we are all about equality here. Everybody knows hexagons are the master shape.
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Great video thanks new sub🤠👍
Great review! In depth and impartial! I was shocked that living in India, I would always try to buy my best tools when I travelled abroad. Looks like some 'Made in India' brands are our best kept secret! Thanks for letting me know!
Check out the IndianDIY blog for more tools from your country!
Sure they have democracy. They still voted mostly for a far-right Hindu nationalist that is intentionally escalating the Kashmir conflict without any reason other than that it gives him stronger support amongst his far-right base :(
Well, you know what they say about democracy: It's the worst system, except for every other system.
@@RexKrueger Yeah, sounds about right. :(
Unfortunatley to large portion of the population isn't educated well enough for democracy to acctually work as it should. As it is today dishonest actors that just want power and control for their own and the filthy rich people's benefit :(
There need to be better education and knowledge in the world. To prevent unempatic people to hold any position of power could also help. They are usually the ones that get corrupted the most by power and seeks it more. That makes them directly unsuited to do what politicians need to do and that's to improve the life of everyone instead of the few and protect the environment as much as possible.
Martin - Looking at what the distorted system of US democracy has achieved in recent years despite having an educated voter base, Indian system has done fairly well with its representative democracy based on popular vote. Nothing to snicker about. Also, there is a trend recently of more countries tilting right. It was ruled by a center-left party for 60+ years. I guess some shift is natural.
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