I've been seeing reports of some KBf tournaments are using a photo comparison software that can identify characteristics of fish. This software can identify specific markings on a Bass and tell with a 94% probability if it's the same fish.
Several years ago a friend and I were fishing Nolin River Lake in Kentucky. I caught a bass around six pounds. Two nearby anglers approached our boat and offered to buy the bass. I refused to sell the fish and released it. Turns out the other anglers were fishing one of several tournaments in the lake that weekend.
I bought everything I needed to do bass tournaments this year. But it took all the fun out of fishing. I'm out there to unwind and record videos. So I quit. Fishing is fun again. ❤
Thank you for the video! It's just odd the winner of the BKFT Alum creek tournament got is 5 keepers bass in the same small area 😂. Closer in your area ,the walleye cheater, now that's uncalled for!
Another scenario, my son, when he was younger, hooked a 28"-30" blue cat we call "Blue Lips" with a small bluegill rig. The fish broke the line trying to get it out the water. (forgot the net). This guy pulled in the parking lot and asking to buy the fish. We found out later Indian Lake was having a big catfish tournament that day!
I found a basket in the back of a cove at Lake Sinclair, here in middle Georgia a couple of weeks ago.. altho it was empty.. it was hidden in the back of a cove under some limbs that hung out over the water..
Lots of 55 gallon drums are hanging form boat slips in marinas. Cheating happens in every bass tournament. I know this from experience of knowing several that fished in them. I’d never fish tournaments. Can’t be trusted
On trimming, it's used outside of slots too. If you catch a 20" and a 19.5" that's still a solid two fish. It's completely disgusting that people do that. One of the things I like about kayak tournaments is how respectful CPR is to the fish.
Craziest story I have heard is a diver placing fish on weaker line under a dock and the cheater using a crank bait to hook the link which follows the line down to the fish and hooks it making it seem that it’s a legitimate catch
I just like to catch fish for a meal like crappie & sunfish occasionally white bass. I caught 7 crappie last night and that was a great supper. Occasionally I may catch a black bass on a crappie jig
I just don’t get cheating. Like, you didn’t do anything you didn’t win anything you didn’t succeed. And if you’re in need so bad that you NEED that prize money maybe you shouldn’t have a 1K plus kayak or 60K+ bass boat. It’s getting to the point where we just need to hand out our own boards on the day of the tourney.
You wanted to know about the pink fins. That is a sign of stress, usually from intense captivity of some sort. In the boat tournaments that's either live well or being caged for a large amount of time, or in Kayaks the fish was leashed for the better part of a day.
I don't understand how anyone can take pride in cheating in fishing tournaments! I get it that you can win money but really to invest $75K + for a bass boat, $75K for a truck to pull it, spend thousands of dollars in gas, cheat and win $5K they have to pay taxes on in a tournament they cheated in...WTF?!?! If you need money that bad there are much easier ways to make it! Sign up for overtime at work and stay the F out of tournaments!
Placing something under the fish to shorten the measurement. Small enough to not be detected in a photo, but enough to shorten the measures by a 1/4 inch. Happened in KBF. Guy was using double and triple A batteries. Basically turning a 20 inch bass into two fish. One 20" and one 19 3/4. This particular person was not actually caught in a KBF event. However he was suspected. Hoover confronted him after he was busted on another trail. The guy agreed to come clean and give up his methods. This one and board mods were the only one made public if i remember correctly. Beyond that, many dead bass are scored during the course of a season. Which is why many have called for swim away video clips.
Darren, great topic brother. I knew it existed, but not to such a disgusting extent. I follow, You, G.B, Damian Thao, friends you've met, and a few others. You're all respected, and true mentors to us. Especially us fishing our 1st seasons and higher, from our kayaks. More info to protect our fish, and fisheries. 💯 🐟 🌊
I heard about ten years ago of guys catching small bass early in the season, raising and feeding them (beefing them up) in private lakes/pools and then taking them to tournaments as 'caught' bass. Not sure if its true or just rumor.
Hey D it’s off topic but I’m real interested in the cradle you use for your ketch board. Do you have a video where you talk about it or a link to where it was purchased? Thank you.
I agree with all the comments - cheating is just wrong. I don’t understand why someone needs the recognition of winning when they cheated to get recognized. Something’s missing in the character.
I don't fish tourneys. Interesting video though. End of the day mankind will always find ways to cheat and take advantage of a system. People suck in general these days.
Cheating will never go away because people are damaged. Cheat once to save your home, I can hate but forgive but cheat because of a character flaw I find disgusting. Just accept your lot in life. Great video, you posted 2 I never heard of before, that scouting one is sly.
Having month long long tournaments where a guy can fish alone and basically just submit pictures is as close of an invitation to cheat that I can think of. That whole system needs to re-thought.
I often wondered how a guy can't just not measure the same fish twice... They should be ordered to film the bass being released... Was just wondering.. The Frye Guy..
Wow. This all makes me even more happy that I am not a tournament guy. Tried it years ago, both in person and CPR. Just wasn't for me. My bump board is just for my photos and I want to know what I really caught. I'm just happy catching fish and don't worry about size. I also think chubs and fall fish fight better than anything else I have ever caught so I am not all caught up in bass or trout.
If you really want to bring awareness to this issue, then release the names. This is why cheating continues as the offenders go somewhere else and repeat. When they’re called out publicly, deservingly so, that’s a much more effective solution. ‘You don’t want to bash anyone.’ Huh? You don’t want to bash cheaters? Yeah. Ok.
As another person commented I quit fishing tournaments bcuz of all of the cheating. There are guys who will cheat to win a Free tournament? Watch the Catch 22 for KBF, I confronted a person last year, He blocked me on social media. Free tournaments???? That's a Real Loser!
I can’t think of any competitive sport off the top of my head that involves money(whether it’s a payout or you’re a professional) that doesn’t have a cheating scandal. This is just my personal belief now-I believe that fishing should be kept strictly recreational and no tournaments allowed. I believe you wash away all the benefits of getting out in nature, catching a few fish and decompressing from a stressful world when you turn it into a competitive event for money. You know I’m not a “yes man” so I understand a lot of people come here to get information from you specifically for tournaments and that this belief might be controversial and trigger some of your viewers. With that said, hope everyone gets a chance to get out and catch one today and thank you for another well put together video Wendell!
@SGT_Reid have read it. Mayne i can't understand. Maybe if people have to re read it multiple times you aren't communicating it as well as you think you are. Would you apply that same logic to all other sports and recreation too?
I will still stand on this hill that 99% of the guys are playing it square. But there's always going to be that couple bad apples who gotta try it. I'm up in Oh next to Erie and those walleye guys were raping these tournaments for a while and became totally complacent with reality because they kept getting away with it. There were a lot of eye's on them for a while who suspected, but couldn't figure it out. I mean come on man, 9lbs of lead out of their one catch of fish? In the Walleye Trail in the rules, you are strictly forbidden to have any communications with other participants, other boats, phone calls, txt messages - anything communicating where fish might be hitting to or from anyone at all. But really, on Erie it's not tough, you'll see the charter boats in groups. add in livescope and all you do is reel em in, not tough with any experience on the lake at all. Oh, and they have a kayak division too in the LEWT - gotta be nuts to go out on Erie in a kayak, but they do it.
People who cheat are pretty pathetic human beings. It's just odd that being good isn't important. Cheating says "hey, I'm not good so I need to behave like trash and cheat.".
People cheat because they can't actually fish. Cheating fishing means they cheat at everything else most likely. And mutilation of a fish or anything else is just a terrible person....and I'm being nice.
@@nicknackdaddyack dude, don't make a statement, "people cheat because they can't actually fish", then say, well, he's a cheater so he must me a terrible fisherman. Makes zero sense to everyone except you I imagine.
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That was super interesting and wow, the creative and evil ways people cheat is crazy.
I know.. I was geeking out on how creative these clowns would be to win a little bit of money and status... It all comes crashing down fast
I've been seeing reports of some KBf tournaments are using a photo comparison software that can identify characteristics of fish. This software can identify specific markings on a Bass and tell with a 94% probability if it's the same fish.
That's awesome.. I heard of that but I didn't know if it was a "in the works" thing or implemented.
I feel like if they made people video the actual measuring process it would probably cut down on the cheating as far as manipulating the board.
Anyone that Cheats in a Fishing Tournament Should NEVER be Trusted in Real Life!!! Cheaters are LIARS!!! Such a Tragedy in Our NATION today!!!
Big facts there
Cultural decay
Several years ago a friend and I were fishing Nolin River Lake in Kentucky. I caught a bass around six pounds. Two nearby anglers approached our boat and offered to buy the bass. I refused to sell the fish and released it. Turns out the other anglers were fishing one of several tournaments in the lake that weekend.
That's crazy
It's not a bass but when I was a kid I caught a sunken boat.
That's crazy!!!
I bought everything I needed to do bass tournaments this year. But it took all the fun out of fishing. I'm out there to unwind and record videos. So I quit. Fishing is fun again. ❤
Hey... makes sense to me.
Amen brother
Amen. That’s why I don’t fish tournaments. They’re a joke anyway.
Thank you for the video!
It's just odd the winner of the BKFT Alum creek tournament got is 5 keepers bass in the same small area 😂. Closer in your area ,the walleye cheater, now that's uncalled for!
it's crazy isn't it. I feel like at least now I know the ways and can be on the lookout for it. #Fairplay
Another scenario, my son, when he was younger, hooked a 28"-30" blue cat we call "Blue Lips" with a small bluegill rig. The fish broke the line trying to get it out the water. (forgot the net). This guy pulled in the parking lot and asking to buy the fish.
We found out later Indian Lake was having a big catfish tournament that day!
@@lowlifeangler I mean, why else would you buy a catfish?
@@wendellfishing we thought that was a little "fishy" 😁
@@lowlifeangler Heyooo!
I found a basket in the back of a cove at Lake Sinclair, here in middle Georgia a couple of weeks ago.. altho it was empty.. it was hidden in the back of a cove under some limbs that hung out over the water..
They say to call the DNR with those.... and they catch em in the act
Lots of 55 gallon drums are hanging form boat slips in marinas. Cheating happens in every bass tournament. I know this from experience of knowing several that fished in them. I’d never fish tournaments. Can’t be trusted
On trimming, it's used outside of slots too. If you catch a 20" and a 19.5" that's still a solid two fish.
It's completely disgusting that people do that. One of the things I like about kayak tournaments is how respectful CPR is to the fish.
crazy... didn't think of that one.
This was more of a "tips and tricks" for me. I won a few of my local tournaments after using your tips and tricks. Thank you
good one
Never heard of board cutting good grief criminal s are smart
It's crazy.. I heard a crazy one earlier today
Kind of makes you wonder about the whole rationale behind competitive fishing contests.
Craziest story I have heard is a diver placing fish on weaker line under a dock and the cheater using a crank bait to hook the link which follows the line down to the fish and hooks it making it seem that it’s a legitimate catch
Oh wow... now that is some next level cheating.
I just like to catch fish for a meal like crappie & sunfish occasionally white bass. I caught 7 crappie last night and that was a great supper. Occasionally I may catch a black bass on a crappie jig
I barely even get fish, so I would never even do something like this
Right.. Most of us are decent humans
Cheating at anything will come back to you one way or another. In fishing, it's just sad. Despite all your rage.... Love it!
I wonder who would pick up on that reference :)
@@wendellfishingI'm a good bit beyond your age. Bring on the obscure references, love it.
I just don’t get cheating. Like, you didn’t do anything you didn’t win anything you didn’t succeed. And if you’re in need so bad that you NEED that prize money maybe you shouldn’t have a 1K plus kayak or 60K+ bass boat.
It’s getting to the point where we just need to hand out our own boards on the day of the tourney.
Yeah.. some people lose their mind over some ill gotten respect in the community. Much better ways to get that.
You wanted to know about the pink fins. That is a sign of stress, usually from intense captivity of some sort. In the boat tournaments that's either live well or being caged for a large amount of time, or in Kayaks the fish was leashed for the better part of a day.
Yeah.. I though it made sense
Ridiculous what people will do.
Big Facts ... People doin people stuff
Chad has mentioned that the Ketch boards are made in a way to defeat parallax. Top edge of numbers don’t exactly match up with the board numbers.
I've heard him say that as well.. Just not definitively.. more of "its in the works" type of context.
I don't understand how anyone can take pride in cheating in fishing tournaments! I get it that you can win money but really to invest $75K + for a bass boat, $75K for a truck to pull it, spend thousands of dollars in gas, cheat and win $5K they have to pay taxes on in a tournament they cheated in...WTF?!?! If you need money that bad there are much easier ways to make it! Sign up for overtime at work and stay the F out of tournaments!
It's crazy.... some people get a taste of semi-fame and lose their minds
I think there was another event where a guy was using a batter(ies) under the fish to "round it" and make it just a little shorter to count it again
I don't think I understand
Hey, thanks for all the great ideas! Just kidding LOL
:)
Placing something under the fish to shorten the measurement. Small enough to not be detected in a photo, but enough to shorten the measures by a 1/4 inch.
Happened in KBF. Guy was using double and triple A batteries. Basically turning a 20 inch bass into two fish. One 20" and one 19 3/4. This particular person was not actually caught in a KBF event. However he was suspected. Hoover confronted him after he was busted on another trail. The guy agreed to come clean and give up his methods. This one and board mods were the only one made public if i remember correctly.
Beyond that, many dead bass are scored during the course of a season. Which is why many have called for swim away video clips.
fascinating.. thanks for sharing this one..
Darren, great topic brother. I knew it existed, but not to such a disgusting extent. I follow, You, G.B, Damian Thao, friends you've met, and a few others. You're all respected, and true mentors to us. Especially us fishing our 1st seasons and higher, from our kayaks. More info to protect our fish, and fisheries. 💯 🐟 🌊
Man.. to be in the same sentence as some of those you mentioned is an honor. Protect our fish and fisheries indeed!
I heard about ten years ago of guys catching small bass early in the season, raising and feeding them (beefing them up) in private lakes/pools and then taking them to tournaments as 'caught' bass. Not sure if its true or just rumor.
Sounds logical to me if you had a private lake you cultivated for years with Big Bass
If not a frog, what were you throwing there?
ahhh.. this is what I was fishing: studio.th-cam.com/users/videoIYiSuiZJ9go/edit
Hey D it’s off topic but I’m real interested in the cradle you use for your ketch board. Do you have a video where you talk about it or a link to where it was purchased? Thank you.
All good. I got you: geni.us/YakAttackPaddleHolder
@@wendellfishing thanks!
I agree with all the comments - cheating is just wrong. I don’t understand why someone needs the recognition of winning when they cheated to get recognized. Something’s missing in the character.
Big facts
Wow, just wow.
This is sad that people do this.
True Story
I don't fish tourneys. Interesting video though. End of the day mankind will always find ways to cheat and take advantage of a system. People suck in general these days.
Thanks Patton... Unfortunately true
We got weights in fish
Cheating will never go away because people are damaged. Cheat once to save your home, I can hate but forgive but cheat because of a character flaw I find disgusting. Just accept your lot in life. Great video, you posted 2 I never heard of before, that scouting one is sly.
I heard of another one that is just crazy.. I need to do another video sometime.
Having month long long tournaments where a guy can fish alone and basically just submit pictures is as close of an invitation to cheat that I can think of. That whole system needs to re-thought.
Yeah... I believe those that cheat will eventually be found out... and the punishment is harsh.
I often wondered how a guy can't just not measure the same fish twice... They should be ordered to film the bass being released... Was just wondering.. The Frye Guy..
They actually have programs that can identify a duplicate fish with I believe around 94% accuracy. It will just get better with time.
That's a lot of ways people have been using to cheat and I'm sure there are more.
Yeah.. I have heard of a few more since posting.. crazy
Really educational. Nice job 👍
Thanks boss.. appreciate it
Wow. This all makes me even more happy that I am not a tournament guy. Tried it years ago, both in person and CPR. Just wasn't for me. My bump board is just for my photos and I want to know what I really caught. I'm just happy catching fish and don't worry about size. I also think chubs and fall fish fight better than anything else I have ever caught so I am not all caught up in bass or trout.
Glad you found your happy place brother! Good place to be
How about record, if you didn't record the cast and hook set the fish does not count.
If you really want to bring awareness to this issue, then release the names. This is why cheating continues as the offenders go somewhere else and repeat. When they’re called out publicly, deservingly so, that’s a much more effective solution.
‘You don’t want to bash anyone.’ Huh? You don’t want to bash cheaters? Yeah. Ok.
Gonna win my next tournament now. Thanks!
Lol... GET SOME!
As another person commented I quit fishing tournaments bcuz of all of the cheating. There are guys who will cheat to win a Free tournament? Watch the Catch 22 for KBF, I confronted a person last year, He blocked me on social media. Free tournaments???? That's a Real Loser!
That's crazy.. how did he cheat?
@@wendellfishing I wont discuss this on an open forum. If you would like to know more we can discuss this in private.
@@VAFSH4LIF hit me up at WendellFishing @ gmail
I would like to get in cpr tournament fishing but don’t know where to go to sign up
I got you... app.fishingchaos.com/tournament/RFquyTyridl4s8ak9BNJ
I can’t think of any competitive sport off the top of my head that involves money(whether it’s a payout or you’re a professional) that doesn’t have a cheating scandal.
This is just my personal belief now-I believe that fishing should be kept strictly recreational and no tournaments allowed.
I believe you wash away all the benefits of getting out in nature, catching a few fish and decompressing from a stressful world when you turn it into a competitive event for money.
You know I’m not a “yes man” so I understand a lot of people come here to get information from you specifically for tournaments and that this belief might be controversial and trigger some of your viewers.
With that said, hope everyone gets a chance to get out and catch one today and thank you for another well put together video Wendell!
Sounds like you shouldn’t compete at fishing. Not sure why that should affect others that feel differently. 😊
@@Daviddear30 This comment is a perfect example of someone who can read but not comprehend.
Happy fishing folks!
@SGT_Reid or someone that disagrees with you.
It sure reads like you shouldn't do competition fishing 🤣
@@Daviddear30 I’m gonna need you to go back to my original comment and read it out loud to yourself.
@SGT_Reid have read it. Mayne i can't understand. Maybe if people have to re read it multiple times you aren't communicating it as well as you think you are.
Would you apply that same logic to all other sports and recreation too?
I can’t stand theives or cheaters! If they can’t do it they should stick to the couch!
preach!
I’m sure to everyone this sounds weird but bass are my friends lol so when I hear about them doing stuff like that to them it reall y pisses me off!!
Truth.. I get that
I will still stand on this hill that 99% of the guys are playing it square. But there's always going to be that couple bad apples who gotta try it. I'm up in Oh next to Erie and those walleye guys were raping these tournaments for a while and became totally complacent with reality because they kept getting away with it. There were a lot of eye's on them for a while who suspected, but couldn't figure it out.
I mean come on man, 9lbs of lead out of their one catch of fish?
In the Walleye Trail in the rules, you are strictly forbidden to have any communications with other participants, other boats, phone calls, txt messages - anything communicating where fish might be hitting to or from anyone at all. But really, on Erie it's not tough, you'll see the charter boats in groups. add in livescope and all you do is reel em in, not tough with any experience on the lake at all.
Oh, and they have a kayak division too in the LEWT - gotta be nuts to go out on Erie in a kayak, but they do it.
Right on brother.. I would agree that 99% are doing it right
People who cheat are pretty pathetic human beings. It's just odd that being good isn't important. Cheating says "hey, I'm not good so I need to behave like trash and cheat.".
Preach!
Make anglers wear cameras? No? Maybe stop all of it. Just a simple consent to enter the comp
Yeah... It's getting harder and harder to do it... The more everyone knows.. the easier it will be catch em.
GRIMEY BASTEGES!!!!
:)
Dumbest ppl were the one who weight in tagged fish 😂
lol.. true story
Polygraph the winners
I love the sport of bass fishing why to much to cheat, a cheater never wins.
Big facts there brother
People cheat because they can't actually fish. Cheating fishing means they cheat at everything else most likely. And mutilation of a fish or anything else is just a terrible person....and I'm being nice.
Yeah.. I don't know if I can disagree here
Disagree....we had a fishing guide in our area, who was a damn good fisherman, get caught cheating.
@coachrobm doesn't matter...he's a cheater and because of that he's not only a terrible fisherman, but he's a terrible person.
@@nicknackdaddyack dude, don't make a statement, "people cheat because they can't actually fish", then say, well, he's a cheater so he must me a terrible fisherman. Makes zero sense to everyone except you I imagine.
@@coachrobm dude, I was replying to someone else. Chill out
When are you and the rest of the "....." going to realize, tournament fishing is EVIL.
You’re cheating yourself, casting, and reeling with the same hand
Please explain
Efficiency
@alphazeke if you can get your hand on the reel before the lure hits the water then there is no time wasted. I do the same thing. It's not hard...
Dirty dirty bass fisherman smh.....feeling good about being a saltwater guy!!!! BWAHAHAHAHA 🎉
lol.. I am sure it happens there as well. What are crazy saltwater cheating stories?
We got weights in fish!!@
:)
YEAH !!! Another way to CHEAT the CHEATERS, is to WIN FAIRLY....
Polygraph the winners
Polygraphs don't work...not reliable. There are 'easy' ways to beat a poly...Google it.