And don't forget that these primary school children are confidently communicating with the TV people in ENGLISH. Teachers in Finland are held in the same esteem as doctors and lawyers. Teachers are drawn for the TOP 5% of graduates, unlike US schools which often take their teachers from the BOTTOM 30%.
School lunches in Finland has a long traditions and it's really important to smaller children. Their brains and bodies need good nutrition and it also helps them to concentrate better in school. Great reaction!
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One American reactor watched A LOT of videos about Finland. And he moved to Finland few weeks ago. :D
But, but, but, It's SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!!!! Only Joking Allen, I feel your pain, imagine how advanced America Could be, as the richest country the world has ever known, If your countrymen could just get over this Pathological fear of social anything........
Socialism is a Problem, but america Biggest difference is Prioritys. For america primary priority is military, they have many bases in workd they give military sobsidiz for alot of countrys they have big military force, so if they just use that money for education it would be better for all.
In Finland we taxpayers want that our children can have proper meal at school and good education. It cost, and it is ok to pay higher taxes for our childrens.
People from USA usually say after seeing these video *But they pay so much taxes". Well yeah. Our general tax % might be higher but what do we get for that? Pretty much free healthcare, free schools up to university, good life/work balance, parenting leaves....etc. If you calculate both of our tax % and expenses for same benefits, Citizens in EU in general pays lot les from their paycheck for general benefits and has more free time for themselves. If you ask me....i love to pay 20-40% for taxes if i get free high quality healthcare, free high quality schools for everyone and good social security system for everyone. Who really needs to be a millionaire to be happy?! No one.
Im from Finland and this is Exactly what ive always considered as "equal education". Meaning, wether youre from the poorest of poor background or have wealth in youre family, you still get the same tools and "privliges" when it comes to the basic education. I feel like America has everything needed to give the same type of schooling to children but since the coverment sees "business" in educating children, its just not gonna happen. This was my first time seein this clip and although the information wasnt anything new, it was very interesting to hear youre thoughts about it. Many from US criticizes the taxing system that we have in Finland, but i dont mind paying 20% taxes when i know my children are gonna get this level of education.(and the health care thats another topic) its not just about the things they teach in there but also about the enviroment that kids are able to grow and learn. Thank you for this one!🙏
Thank you very much! Greetings from Finland! Thanks To this school system I was able To have Masters degree both In economics and engineering In a top University despite that we were absolutely poor lower middle class family In a tiny town. And now as a parent I do not need To worry like how To finance the education or is some tiny school good enough that my Kids can study what ever they want and that they can go To University and study as much as they want.
Two things which immediately stood out to my then nine and 10-year old kids when we moved to the US were: the use of multiple choice tests rather than essay-based ones, and the lack of languages. By that time, they both were fluent in four languages, and had a working knowledge of French & Spanish too. After a year, I moved them to a school which followed the IB curriculum, and they fitted in much better. BTW, the US is 50th in the world in the percentage of its gdp spent on education (at all levels). Cuba, for example, spends two and a half times as much, in proportion.
I genuinely felt for you during this vid, the pain and disappointment you have is soul destroying its clear that as much as you love your country its failing its future generations and you can see how helpless that makes you feel
I'm from the UK and I grew up when teachers had more autonomy in their lessons. The standards have slipped considerably over the last 20 years because the government is trying to micromanage every part of a lesson. It leaves absolutely no room for teachers to shape their lessons around the type of kids they are teaching, how much time to spend on each topic etc etc.
In the past, there were a lot more poor or indifferent teachers. Yes those many outstanding teachers were stifled, but a lot of bad ones were weeded out. One of the main reasons for the drop in standards, is the exam culture. Pupils are taught how to pass exams in a subject, rather than the subject itself. Schools are rewarded & punished, depending on their exam results. Ministers boast the rising pass rates under their administration. I understand that exams are important, but they are not always the be all & end all.
@@skasteve6528 You have made my argument for me. The exam culture is a consequence of centralised government control. Remove that control and schools can choose their own curriculum and parents can choose which schools their children attend. If they believe their child is keen on engineering then send them to a school with that focus and the funding is attached to the child. If their kid is less academic and more focused on manual skills then send them to a school which has a focus on practical skills and again the funding follows the child. It's the opposite of a private system because it's all government funded but the performance of schools is down to them alone and ministers cannot take credit for it. This would also mean we could almost abolish the Department for Education and thus save the taxpayer an absolute fortune. Over time the awful schools and teachers will be weeded out and you level the playing field. I would also bring back grammar schools but have some flexibility so that a late bloomer can gain access to such schools if they achieve the necessary grades.
Here in the UK, teachers teach for tests and exams and how many students go on to university, not for a life outside of school. Hence History graduates working on the shop floor in retail. What did they think what they wanted to do!
@@howardchambers9679 Well the good ones wanted to be teachers and probably are, the rest of them are idiots who thought they should go to university but they were not smart enough for STEM subjects and picked something they could coast with. I love history so I'm not criticising anyone who studies it, but studying the subject at Uni without a clear idea of becoming a teacher or something similar is just moronic.
I'm so sorry for you man! I could hear and feel your frustration in this vid. Thanks to this school system in Finland I was able to have 5 different degrees in 4 different fields (of which I did two as an adult), speak 7 languages, despite being a multisick painchronic! So happy to now see my own kids (two teens) go to school and thrive. Today my 14y old came home, happy that he had had the possibility to try a fire destinguisher on fire and blanket, as well as listened to a lecture about fire security. 🙏🇫🇮 Finnishmama
Activities like that student cafe are usually for raising money for field trips for the class. I remember when I was in 6th grade, our class used the money we had raised during the last two years, to do a field trip to Åland, which is an autonomous island south-west of Finland. I took few days and was a blast. We got to visit an old castle, and a battle-ship back from the day, stay at a resort bungalo etc.
When i was school, we had 2 statefunded fieldtrips in year for every class. But we also rised funds for fieldtrips by selling cakes, stickers, woodwork done in woodworking class and even some nice pantings from art class. So we also get average 4,5 fieldtrips in year by our hard work.
Free school meals for everyone is an essential thing for the kids' development and learning. Not only it allows kids regardless of family income to have a lunch, but the school lunch is also 1000 times more healthy than something the kids would buy if given money to buy lunch. (burgers, fries, pizza, snacks, energy drinks, etc). So even the high income parents very much support the free school meals. Even if it means paying more taxes. According to statistics from the ONLY Finnish standardised test, (in the end of upper secondary school = senior high school in US), the students' learning performance is similar in all schools, regardless of being in wealthy or low income areas, big cities or rural areas. Here in Finland, those schools that have more kids from low income families, with social problems get MORE funding than those schools that have kids from "better" families.
And you cannot even compare the low income families to american low income families. In usa they really are poor while in Finland everyone is basically middle class. And if you have any work you're not poor. there is no powerty im Finland
@@itkenverta no there definitely is poverty, not as much as other countries tho. it isn't all flowers and cupcakes especially in towns that aren't that close to the capital.
While still at high school I went on a two year car mechanic college course. A couple of afternoons a week, which helped massively getting a job after leaving school. Of course it was totally free to me.
Hi mister ecletic beard. I've been living in Finland half of my 50 year life. Just love it here. It's a wonderful country to live in. Only 5.5 million people and alot of forrest and 10 of thousands of lakes. I'm an ethnic Finn who returned back to my Fathersland from Sweden. I've been following your channel for about a year. Nice that you make videos of other countries.
The problem with USA is that you're so afraid everything that's even remotely considered socialism. You're also afraid of taxes. I'm a Finn and I make a decent income of 45k€/year before taxes. My income tax per cent is 22%. This has guaranteed me education, healthcare, decent infrastructure and bunch of other things. Sure there are VAT payment for products that I buy and the Finnish government could use the tax euros always a bit better but I am happy none the less. Americans surely pay lower taxes but all that money goes to insurances and education and if I have understood right, they might pay even more for education and healthcare than those countries that have a scary and evil socialist systems :D
I had to teach 1 of the geometry "teachers" I had in high school how to do geometry! I should mention they were place in their role as a geometry teacher without any degree on mathematics, because they coached a sport and only had a degree in physical education.
One of good things in Finnish schools is the fact that they have this class called "Finnish as a second language" or "S2" for those students who are immigrants, like myself. I attended these classes all 12 years from elementary to high school and it really helped me to understand the language in all its structures (semantics, grammar, etc.) and become fluent in it so much that you cannot tell that I am not Finnish. We also have different types of schools based on their educational system, like is is more artistic, mathematical, linguistic or natural science based. I myself attended the natural science based, so we had a lot of chemistry, physics, astronomy, biology, geography, mathematics and home economics classes amongst other classes. Never made me become great in maths and physics but the others were very fascinating, especially astronomy.
To be fair, it's not like social media isn't in Finland. They just teach something called Media Literacy where they are taught, even in elementary school, how to stop misinformation and disinformation. Literally taught to use critical thinking skills (gasp!) and analyze the news and social media content before they believe it. They're taught how to spot doctored images (ten year olds!) and videos and AI generated content!! Even taught how as a project so they can more easily spot the signs. They've been teaching this since 1919, when they got independence from Russia who was consistently flooding them with misinformation and disinformation. Remember that "the moon is made of cheese" thing? I saw kids (not yet in puberty, KIDS) holding print outs of the story and analyzing it for clues to prove it or disprove it. Analyzing videos and images for lighting discrepancies. Critical thinking doesn't seem to be taught to anyone or at least definitely not used mainstream anymore. What happened to "trust but verify"?
You saw how the child politely, with a laugh, said no to tip? We are not a tipping culture, and prices are what you see (so no %+another %) when you eat out.
I think the biggest thing is that Finnish system teaches more critical thinking and using that skill to find the credible information you need yourself rather than outright bashing you with those facts. It also makes you want to learn things you are interested in yourself and gives you the means to do that effectively.
Also, when we start studying after our primary education is finished, that education is financially supported by our taxes as well. If you live frugally you do not need a job or a loan and can still live independently. This also applies when you go study as an adult. The government also pays for any trips to go see your family if you study in a different city.
Alan ii feel for your frustration, recently you have done prisons and health as well, the secret to all of this and its not 'socialist' or 'commy', is take care of your lowest member of your country and everything rises , health education and community all rises
The real issue USA has with this is that the people living there are too divided, in here we truly care about our fellow Finns so naturally we want everyone to have a good and safe life. In USA, politicians (at least in my opinion) have practiced very dividing politics to gain voting demographies and as a result, the nation is at each others throats wishing all the worst for each others. You can't really build prosperous country with mutually beneficial systems in environment where no one wants it, as the first requirement is unity to some degree.
This was really interesting Alan. I'm old, and some would say I had a privileged education. I was immediately envious of this education system while learning from this video. In short, you and I both see something better in Finland than we have experienced ourselves. So, clearly it's not about how much money, but it is about how you spend what budget you have. It can be no great surprise that if teachers have autonomy like that, then better results can be obtained by having truly smart people making well informed decisions over what kids are taught rather than bodies of people with not entirely great decision making skills creating lacking and thoughtless curricula. Now to correct a common misunderstanding; Did I get better teaching from better teachers for being "privileged"? Nope, for the greater part I got high paid chancers who were not even very bright and were way too fond of having the finer (as they saw it) things in life. Great for them, but not so great for the pupils who they were supposed to be educating. Find the truly good teachers (robust examination of skills) and then pay them right (free them from worry of everyday survival so they can concentrate on teaching properly, and with excellence). I know, controversial no doubt ;o) Thanks for this chance education Alan.
That´s what we do in my country, after elementary school you can choose go to high school to prepare for college or you to FP (professional formation) to learn a trade (plomer, mechanic,..) is not perfect but it´s works just fine
Mad respect mate! It always brings me a tear of joy whenever another american realizes they live in fucking Dumberica. Greetings from Finland! I wish from the bottom of my heart that future unites us with some actual reason other than publicity, power and wealth. Bubble that held you in prison is breaking up, let us not do the same! Time for the world to wisen up a bit and I daresay education is one of the best if not THE BEST place to start 🤔
I think one thing you also might find interesting (and what Finns take granted) is that by law there is 15 min. recess per 45 min. of teaching. That helps kids to learn better because they can take their mind of things and maybe play soccer or basketball or just talk with friends of everything. 🙂
5:26 It's very uncommon in most countries in Europe to have tip jars, we pay a tax for waitresses, so their pay is much higher than for example in the U.S. So they don't need to rely on the generosity of people. One could think it would affect the service quality, but every waitress I've had has been very professional and pleasant.
Also the higher education at the universities are free of charge. Even if you are older one, you have the opportunity to join and improve your life quality. I'm 51 now and studying my bachelor's degree while working full time. Classes are via Microsoft Teams and we have a digital learning platform where you make homework and rapports etc.
Im from Finland and I got these opportunities as a child. It feels bittersweet being proud of my country, but also seeing these other countries struggle with providing proper education and environment for their children. Its awful to watch the richest and the mightiest countries out there just messing it up and throwing their children into systems that don't seem to work at all.
Finnish children do start school at seven, but they have to do a year of pre-school before that. Also, most Finnish children have spent a few years at Paivakoti (excuse the spelling, I have an English language keyboard). This is an affordable daycare system, a bit like kindergarten, where children are taught & looked after by professional carers. The senior school is also a bit different, there are three separate types of schools depending on what your goals are for when you leave school.
@@juhokaartoaho nothing is optional anymore even ammattikoulu/lukio is mandatory these days, i havent finished ammattikoulu because i went straight to work from second grade of amis and im 22 years old now and the TE has asked me to clarify why im not in school at the moment because it is mandatory to complete it now because the government changed the law for it, even tho im 22 years old and been working for a while already, there is also some stuff that you wont get some benefits if you lose your job and havent finished school so they are basically forcing people to graduate at the moment
I was born in Finlan and went to Finnish schools. Studied to be a nurse, moved to Norway -> university and masters degree in science (still studying towards my next goal). All of that was free. (Along that journey I caught some languages too... 6 actually ( + finnish and norwegian, of course ) I see that the Nordics are (more or less) some kind of social-capitalistic countries 😁 (if that makes any sense)
6:55 Even our Universities here in Finland are tuition free, and to think of your question one could think reducing the 3x times military budget compared to the next highest budget in the world could easily pay for every school to be free if there was a tax for it, also public healthcare could be solved with that, also teacher pay and education could be increased significantly. U.S military budget in 2022 was *778B$* Imagine cutting it even by a third, would solve those issues immediately. Still would be almost twice as much as the second largest military budget coming from China. There's a solution without increasing taxing, just re-directing the current taxed, gov. spending. Less money spent on weapons, instead, use it for education. I think that sounds reasonable?
That long pause when you heard that the schools don't collect any money from parents, well its the most common reaction to that from foreigner's. Only time there has been some sort of fee is when the parents them selves want to participate on providing some more expensive excursion. Most cases the kids themselves are the ones doing all the work like my class on elementary school we divided ourselves to all the major shopping centers in town and had a cookie sale on the entrances right under christmas(with store owners permission ofc). We made so much money that we got a week long trip to a place we wanted to go.
I'm a teacher in Finland. (only a part time one with no real education to teach, but still) The main problem we have is that these children become extremely annoying to teach at about 6th grade as there are a considerable amount of rebellious children that interrupt the teaching progress and don't care about the subject being taught. This issue comes from 1. Parents spoiling their children. 2. Teachers not having any real carrots or sticks to use. 3. Mobile phones. Thankfully, we have to stand these kinds of behaviours for only 4 years, as the children that don't care, go to vocational schools where they can be a problem to theirselves. While the difficult children are in vocational, the rest go to upper secondary school, where they can actually learn something.
I really want my Aussie politicians to get rid of the inner circle private schools that receive multi-millions in tax money, whilst public schools are getting less. Our pollies have been turning Australia into the US and it's utter corruption.
Greetings from Finland. Schools here is great. Yes, nothings perfect, but they are good. You cannot really choose the "best school", but if you want your kids in small school you have to move in the area.
Damn, but this was very cool to watch/learn. Here in NZ, we have a decent system (2019 it was 3rd best in world - behind Singapore and Finland), but damn. After doing a little online research, I want what Finland has. There system is just so damned conducive to learning - and *wanting* to learn that it is mind-boggling. And then to find out in your country a teacher / assistant principal was fired for reading a children's book (I Need a New Butt)... It really makes me wonder where you guys are going (and how you've managed to survive this long as a nation). Can't imagine the pain it has to be putting the regular Janes/Joe's through.
You should watch the video about how they approach the news and social media in schools from elementary school. We dont even have JOURNALISTS who do what they do before going on air or publishing an article!
I feel your pain.. I'm from the UK and reading posts in forums from folks in the States is just cringe worthy. I wonder if they ever graduated from Kindergarten tbh. EG; 'I don't see any 7' Reply 'You can't . Where whoever scratched . I you look at a streep angle you can still see thaw raised area . I'd never seem it as suck because I cannot prove it.'
So pre-school is mandatory now which practically means school starts at 6 years old. Though pre-school is still mostly playing and quite short hours, personally I didn't go to pre-school. Recently (autumn -21) our learning mandate got an upgrade in which you must go to school until 18 years old. Practically it means that from 2021 every one should have secondary level education high school or vocational school. Vocational school is where you learn hair dressing, practical nurse, plumber, painter etc. From either of those you can then continue to university or university of applied sciences.
This is one of them times you truly got emotional, change your country it's in your hands look at Europe Ireland, Sweden , Norway, Finland and Denmark 💕
School I went to in the UK was a Secondary modern and our lessons had a more practical outlook. Did French studies which focused learning the language that was needed to get by in France. My maths teacher was great faced with a class that was 70% boys who weren't that keen on doing maths she did things like having a project where we had to do the football (soccer ) tables including working out the goal difference, most boys wanted to mechanics so we spend a lot of time doing maths that they would need to use in their work.
To be fair, it's not like social media isn't in Finland. They just teach something called Media Literacy where they are taught, even in elementary school, how to stop misinformation and disinformation. Literally taught to use critical thinking skills (gasp!) and analyze the news and social media content before they believe it. They're taught how to spot doctored images (ten year olds!) and videos and AI generated content!! Even taught how as a project so they can more easily spot the signs. They've been teaching this since 1919, when they got independence from Russia who was consistently flooding them with misinformation and disinformation. Remember that "the moon is made of cheese" thing? I saw kids (not yet in puberty, KIDS) holding print outs of the story and analyzing it for clues to prove it or disprove it. Analyzing videos and images for lighting discrepancies. Critical thinking doesn't seem to be taught to anyone or at least definitely not used mainstream anymore. What happened to "trust but verify"?
If only the government would leave kids alone. Finnish schools are also cheaper to run. The system is similar to the Japanese Suzuka (?) system, which may be different now.
America actually learns from other countries sometimes. Like I once saw a video about city government people visiting Denmark, and other countries with great bike culture, then went home to America, and did their own versions of bike path integration, that obviously didn't work, instead of just doing it, the way, countries who have done this for decades, does it.
Finland's ranking is dropping at a breakneck pace. Education had been independent in schools. Now Politicians and senior officials make themselves important and, in their own opinion now, “invent” good new methods and projects to make the system more efficient. The teaching is now mixed up. The ranking will drop drastically. Even officials sites block all comments.
In Finland has progressive taxation. If a person earns a little of money, then the tax rate is lower. If a person earns a lot of money, then the tax rate is higher. To my knowledge, in the United States, the rich have a significantly lower tax rate than the poor. Finland is a strongly socialist country that seeks to take care of everyone which will lead to a prosperous, happy and productive society.
Teachers being allowed to customize their curriculum allows them to further customize their curriculum for different types of learners. The more we do away with that in the U.S. with deeper and deeper mandated curriculums, the more we remove a teacher's ability to do anything personalized. I first got interested in history in fifth grade because my teacher found out I was interested in board games. He gave me a book on ancient board games, and that's where my master's degree in Classics began.
No, teachers can't decide curriculum but they can decide how it's taught. Some like to do stings and others use more "trafitional" teaching methods. Do you have students reading about something and then tesy them or do you use other methods to teach it? Things like that.
Find one of these videos about South Korean Education. I've seen it on TH-cam, and after having watched it I can confidently say we're ALL slacking 😂 Ok, jokes aside, it's pretty harsh bordering on inhumane (the hours especially). It's worth watching.
Great reaction :) More stuff about Finland? Ill think there will be lots to see and react :) Like geography now finland, open prison, white death, etc etc (not sure have ya check any of those already) P.S. At least Nightwish is familiar already :D
Seems to me that Finland recognises that the children are the future. Educate and support the children and you will have a healthy, happy and productive society. It’s not rocket science. Who’s we were more like this in the UK. I believe it was better when I was younger cos it was accepted that not everyone could attend University so we had polytechnic colleges that allowed our young to get qualifications in practical skills and University dealt in the higher academic skills. Personally I believe it worked.
this video is pretty old info, the Finnish school system was at its highest around 2010-2016 if i remember correctly and has only gone down hill from there, there has been some new changes like you don't have to buy expensive ass books for high schools anymore but the support funding for students have gotten worse because it is more loan based today, like you can expect to graduate with thousands if not tens of thousands of euros in debt
you need to turn your personal mic up to match the played video or viser vercer because i have to keep adjusting the sound between video and your reactions, you are alot quieter than the videos, great to see you doing these again
remove all forms of corporate privatization/for profit organizations & standards go up while costs go down... The US prides itself on how rich it is but any country that doesn't have the welfare of it's people as the number one priority is doomed to failure. Unfortunately the privatization & for profit ethos is spreading across the globe following the trend of making the few rich while the majority suffer!
In my kids district those loose pool cues & ping pong paddles, and balls would be used as weapons and the Xbox and tv stolen. It's the Hunger Games in the US and infuriatingly, its been designed that way.
You shouldn't raise taxes. You need to reallocate the money you are already getting from the taxpayers. The thing is you weigh what's the best way to use your money and act accordingly.
USA has, what 350 million people, Finland has 5,5mil so we are like Minnesota, whether and lakes same. It is ofcourse easier to handel. EU(Finns belong) boasts 550mil, so perspective in mind.
Hi EB ,,the first thing to point out is the Teacher is not boring the children will her pronouns,,,sexual orientation,,,partner,,, And pointing out the Rainbow Flag 🏳🌈 on the wall .
I’m sorry to say it but I’m sitting here laughing at your reaction because The way America is where they have to pay for everything and the government do not help we are so lucky in Europe The only good thing about America is the TV and your military you can keep everything else
It really makes you think, huh? In addition to the Nordic countries, for example, Canada 🇨🇦, Australia 🇦🇺 and New Zealand 🇳🇿 are doing well in well-being measurements; why couldn't United States 🇺🇲 perform better too? I believe Americans want change and fix the problems, but they are not willing to accept those changes, even though it would be beneficial for everyone in one way or another. If you will fix a big issue, it will affect positively basically in everything, in much bigger scale people think. 🤷🏻♀️ I enjoyed your reaction, greetings from Finland 👍🏻🇫🇮
On negative I have to give to Finish school system. They don't know what to do with outliers. Like children that aren't that good on sitting in class and are in to sports and music and are good in it. I know I was one my self. And I had really rough elementary school. Not that I didn't get good grades. But I skipped school days got in to fights and generally were total menace.
I do wish the UK would move away from the close relationship with the US. I worry that their ideas of every man for himself is slowly infecting us over here. I wish we were still in EU but a vote is a vote and has to be respected but do think people voted without really understanding what they were voting for.
but today we gave 800 million added to the war budget , I'm nearly 70 priced out my education in todays money was over 475k , did it in the 70's total less then 15k , if was today no way
I think that's earmarked for 'weapons for Ukraine'. But it's typical 'Merica behaviour. Spends Billions to start & continue conflicts and wars in overseas nations. Spends crumbs locally on programs and solutions that actually help Average americans.
It's getting worst though, so much people are moving mostly from middle east, that they need extra attention and are holding back all of the rest of classroom. That is starting to really show, more and more bad behaviour, which is affecting all of the kids... but they wanted the globalisitation so... can't cherry pick.
Educational system teaches kids to be good worker drones. Preparation for there 9 to 5 daily grind on the government tax train. They create more druggies and drinkers then critical thinkers.
@@MerryOlSoulGigglesmith No, as Nathan said, the maximum is 30. I have known occaisions, decades ago where, due to teacher sickness, a teacher had charge of up to 60 kids, but a supply teacher was organised very quickly, so that the normal class size was restored. Oh & NHS nurses don't work more than 14 hours in the UK. Just because you may have heard of a case where a nurse did, that doesn't make it the norm.
You really need to watch your foul language when communicating about schools...if you want people to share. I would have shared but the F word is not something I want to share on FB.
It's not going to outperform for long. Everyone is just going to make some shitty 30 second videos where they move their lips to some shitty song. Nobody is going to work, just make some shitty videos. I guess Idiocracy was a documentary and not fiction.
EB, the Dem run schools have been ploughing money into their schools for years and the result has been worsening grades. A superior system would be to simply attach the money to the child and allow parents to have school choice. Take the government out of the lessons, allow the teachers and parents to form the curriculum (with basic guidelines around maths, English and science requirements), and allow the bad schools to be revealed. Good schools will get an influx of kids, which means more funding and the bad ones will see their staff replaced with good teachers. I don't mean to be unkind about this but Finland is a very very different nation. It's quite a homogenous culture with low rates of crime and drug use. Children are less likely to cause trouble and tend to respect their parents and authority. The average IQ is also 3 or 4 points above the US. All of this makes teaching much easier.
That sounds like you want to privatise the education system. Whenever people are offered more choice, it is alway a cover for offering worse service. Also, parents & teachers absolutely should not be allowed to have a say in the curriculum, that would be a disaster.
@@skasteve6528 1. I clearly stated the funding would be attached to the child, this means tax money and not privatisation. 2. Why in gods name do you think it would be bad for teachers and parents to have a say in the curriculum? The current system is based upon the government having centralised control and the result has been disastrous. Also please pay attention and notice I made it clear that some basic guidelines would be in place to ensure that core concepts would be required, specifically a grounding in English, maths and science. Beyond this I believe the teachers and parents will have a superior understanding of what the local children need compared to the opinions of a bureaucrat who lives many miles away and likely pays for their children to attend a private school. Why are you so against individual choice and freedom?
@@skasteve6528 That's true, there are already problems with sex education and religious studies. Can you imagine the hell the religious right can turn a school into? Please give me extra marks for spelling and grammar.
Dude. No. We drink alcohol, have drugs, etc. We might look the same to the American eye, but we have differences that are easy to notice if you are local, just by listening to the other speak. We even have a home brewn "Christian" religion sect that uses women as walking incubators (it's a bloody cult, and they stay separate because everyone knows it's a cult.) Despite all that, every single kid has to go to school, and schools are of equal standard... Meaning a kid who grew in a cult isn't isolated, but can study and leave the town to continue studying, without any help from family. The child gets tools to make informed decisions. I always hear that excuse from U.S: That we Finns are just better on some fundamental or genetic level, and that's why our system works. No we aren't. We got greedy people, racism, sexism, addicts (mostly alcoholics, but other stuff too)... Yet we still have it better, because we understand those things are a problem that can, and should be fixed. Not something to either glorify, ignore or demonise. We are proud of our country, but we don't pretend we got all our sh*t together like some U.S "patriots". We want to do better, and are quick to point out flaws once we recognise them. (How much those flaws get fixed is another issue, but at least we don't proudly pretend everything is the fault of immigrants or rainbow people.) If someone here is acting/thinking like a racist, they have the brains to know they should hide it, instead of proudly declaring it from a rooftop. Some U.S citizens are so *openly* racist. A Finnish racist like that would be an embarrassment to everyone around them. Their relatives would think they aren't right in the head… Our racism has the grace to act subtle. We Finns have our conflicts, addicts, and discrimination. The difference is that because *we all* get a standard education, we understand such things are an issue to be solved: As children, we meet the kids of those addicts in school. They sit next to a kid whose parents make millions. We meet the kids of those immigrants, they sit next to that kid whose parents are ultra religious. We all got detention once, for getting caught smoking on our way home from school. (True story) As kids, we are all equal. Sure, children from struggling families might have behavioral issues. That need for a help can happen to any child, such as the rich kid whose parents are going through a divorce. Therapy is free, and school will help you get it if you need it. It's a lot harder to dismiss a group of people, when you went into same school with their kids. Harder to say problems are resolved, by throwing everyone into a prison and forgetting about them.
@@Sienisota You made an awful assumption in your response...you think I'm American. I'm English lol. Kids are not all equal. IQ test scores demonstrate that rather clearly, as do sports events. You think someone with an average IQ is going to be a rocket scientist? This is just brainwashed nonsense. Everyone should have the same opportunities but not everyone is as capable of taking advantage of those opportunities. You are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome.
Old news. Finnish schools were good about 15 years ago, but it's all ruined now. Denmark and Estonia kick our ass and the Finnish PISA results are average at best
And don't forget that these primary school children are confidently communicating with the TV people in ENGLISH. Teachers in Finland are held in the same esteem as doctors and lawyers. Teachers are drawn for the TOP 5% of graduates, unlike US schools which often take their teachers from the BOTTOM 30%.
Yeah, we're used to learning languages. Coming from a small country it's essential. I speak 7, my kids 3. 👍🇫🇮
How on earth do they communicate with the people on tv?
@@auvomesilampi6325 Huh? How do who communicate with 'the people on TV' (whoever they are)
School lunches in Finland has a long traditions and it's really important to smaller children. Their brains and bodies need good nutrition and it also helps them to concentrate better in school. Great reaction!
One American reactor watched A LOT of videos about Finland. And he moved to Finland few weeks ago. :D
Who? I'm interested
But, but, but, It's SOCIALIST!!!!!!!!!!! Only Joking Allen, I feel your pain, imagine how advanced America Could be, as the richest country the world has ever known, If your countrymen could just get over this Pathological fear of social anything........
Socialism is a Problem, but america Biggest difference is Prioritys. For america primary priority is military, they have many bases in workd they give military sobsidiz for alot of countrys they have big military force, so if they just use that money for education it would be better for all.
In Finland we taxpayers want that our children can have proper meal at school and good education. It cost, and it is ok to pay higher taxes for our childrens.
I am proud of our teachers and school children. Greetings from Finland
People from USA usually say after seeing these video *But they pay so much taxes". Well yeah. Our general tax % might be higher but what do we get for that? Pretty much free healthcare, free schools up to university, good life/work balance, parenting leaves....etc.
If you calculate both of our tax % and expenses for same benefits, Citizens in EU in general pays lot les from their paycheck for general benefits and has more free time for themselves.
If you ask me....i love to pay 20-40% for taxes if i get free high quality healthcare, free high quality schools for everyone and good social security system for everyone. Who really needs to be a millionaire to be happy?! No one.
Im from Finland and this is Exactly what ive always considered as "equal education". Meaning, wether youre from the poorest of poor background or have wealth in youre family, you still get the same tools and "privliges" when it comes to the basic education. I feel like America has everything needed to give the same type of schooling to children but since the coverment sees "business" in educating children, its just not gonna happen. This was my first time seein this clip and although the information wasnt anything new, it was very interesting to hear youre thoughts about it. Many from US criticizes the taxing system that we have in Finland, but i dont mind paying 20% taxes when i know my children are gonna get this level of education.(and the health care thats another topic) its not just about the things they teach in there but also about the enviroment that kids are able to grow and learn. Thank you for this one!🙏
Thank you very much! Greetings from Finland! Thanks To this school system I was able To have Masters degree both In economics and engineering In a top University despite that we were absolutely poor lower middle class family In a tiny town. And now as a parent I do not need To worry like how To finance the education or is some tiny school good enough that my Kids can study what ever they want and that they can go To University and study as much as they want.
Two things which immediately stood out to my then nine and 10-year old kids when we moved to the US were: the use of multiple choice tests rather than essay-based ones, and the lack of languages. By that time, they both were fluent in four languages, and had a working knowledge of French & Spanish too. After a year, I moved them to a school which followed the IB curriculum, and they fitted in much better. BTW, the US is 50th in the world in the percentage of its gdp spent on education (at all levels). Cuba, for example, spends two and a half times as much, in proportion.
I genuinely felt for you during this vid, the pain and disappointment you have is soul destroying its clear that as much as you love your country its failing its future generations and you can see how helpless that makes you feel
Same 🥺
Every video. Every single one.
I'm from the UK and I grew up when teachers had more autonomy in their lessons. The standards have slipped considerably over the last 20 years because the government is trying to micromanage every part of a lesson. It leaves absolutely no room for teachers to shape their lessons around the type of kids they are teaching, how much time to spend on each topic etc etc.
In the past, there were a lot more poor or indifferent teachers. Yes those many outstanding teachers were stifled, but a lot of bad ones were weeded out.
One of the main reasons for the drop in standards, is the exam culture. Pupils are taught how to pass exams in a subject, rather than the subject itself. Schools are rewarded & punished, depending on their exam results. Ministers boast the rising pass rates under their administration. I understand that exams are important, but they are not always the be all & end all.
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You have made my argument for me. The exam culture is a consequence of centralised government control. Remove that control and schools can choose their own curriculum and parents can choose which schools their children attend. If they believe their child is keen on engineering then send them to a school with that focus and the funding is attached to the child.
If their kid is less academic and more focused on manual skills then send them to a school which has a focus on practical skills and again the funding follows the child. It's the opposite of a private system because it's all government funded but the performance of schools is down to them alone and ministers cannot take credit for it. This would also mean we could almost abolish the Department for Education and thus save the taxpayer an absolute fortune.
Over time the awful schools and teachers will be weeded out and you level the playing field. I would also bring back grammar schools but have some flexibility so that a late bloomer can gain access to such schools if they achieve the necessary grades.
Oh they did re innovation of Finnish school system too and now it's failing hard and nobody wants to reverse it. edit (nobody in politics wants to)
Here in the UK, teachers teach for tests and exams and how many students go on to university, not for a life outside of school. Hence History graduates working on the shop floor in retail.
What did they think what they wanted to do!
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Well the good ones wanted to be teachers and probably are, the rest of them are idiots who thought they should go to university but they were not smart enough for STEM subjects and picked something they could coast with.
I love history so I'm not criticising anyone who studies it, but studying the subject at Uni without a clear idea of becoming a teacher or something similar is just moronic.
I'm so sorry for you man! I could hear and feel your frustration in this vid. Thanks to this school system in Finland I was able to have 5 different degrees in 4 different fields (of which I did two as an adult), speak 7 languages, despite being a multisick painchronic! So happy to now see my own kids (two teens) go to school and thrive. Today my 14y old came home, happy that he had had the possibility to try a fire destinguisher on fire and blanket, as well as listened to a lecture about fire security. 🙏🇫🇮 Finnishmama
Your take on the US is very wise. Greetings from Finland 🇫🇮
No pledge of allegiance. No armed guards. No metal detectors. Early language learning. Free education (all the way through uni).
Activities like that student cafe are usually for raising money for field trips for the class. I remember when I was in 6th grade, our class used the money we had raised during the last two years, to do a field trip to Åland, which is an autonomous island south-west of Finland. I took few days and was a blast. We got to visit an old castle, and a battle-ship back from the day, stay at a resort bungalo etc.
When i was school, we had 2 statefunded fieldtrips in year for every class. But we also rised funds for fieldtrips by selling cakes, stickers, woodwork done in woodworking class and even some nice pantings from art class. So we also get average 4,5 fieldtrips in year by our hard work.
Free school meals for everyone is an essential thing for the kids' development and learning. Not only it allows kids regardless of family income to have a lunch, but the school lunch is also 1000 times more healthy than something the kids would buy if given money to buy lunch. (burgers, fries, pizza, snacks, energy drinks, etc). So even the high income parents very much support the free school meals. Even if it means paying more taxes.
According to statistics from the ONLY Finnish standardised test, (in the end of upper secondary school = senior high school in US), the students' learning performance is similar in all schools, regardless of being in wealthy or low income areas, big cities or rural areas.
Here in Finland, those schools that have more kids from low income families, with social problems get MORE funding than those schools that have kids from "better" families.
And you cannot even compare the low income families to american low income families. In usa they really are poor while in Finland everyone is basically middle class. And if you have any work you're not poor. there is no powerty im Finland
@@itkenverta no there definitely is poverty, not as much as other countries tho. it isn't all flowers and cupcakes especially in towns that aren't that close to the capital.
While still at high school I went on a two year car mechanic college course. A couple of afternoons a week, which helped massively getting a job after leaving school. Of course it was totally free to me.
Hi mister ecletic beard. I've been living in Finland half of my 50 year life. Just love it here. It's a wonderful country to live in. Only 5.5 million people and alot of forrest and 10 of thousands of lakes. I'm an ethnic Finn who returned back to my Fathersland from Sweden. I've been following your channel for about a year. Nice that you make videos of other countries.
I find kinda funny that some US people wont notice that 10 years old in this video talks English 🙂
The problem with USA is that you're so afraid everything that's even remotely considered socialism. You're also afraid of taxes. I'm a Finn and I make a decent income of 45k€/year before taxes. My income tax per cent is 22%. This has guaranteed me education, healthcare, decent infrastructure and bunch of other things. Sure there are VAT payment for products that I buy and the Finnish government could use the tax euros always a bit better but I am happy none the less.
Americans surely pay lower taxes but all that money goes to insurances and education and if I have understood right, they might pay even more for education and healthcare than those countries that have a scary and evil socialist systems :D
I had to teach 1 of the geometry "teachers" I had in high school how to do geometry! I should mention they were place in their role as a geometry teacher without any degree on mathematics, because they coached a sport and only had a degree in physical education.
The American Dream turned out to be a American Nightmare.
One of good things in Finnish schools is the fact that they have this class called "Finnish as a second language" or "S2" for those students who are immigrants, like myself. I attended these classes all 12 years from elementary to high school and it really helped me to understand the language in all its structures (semantics, grammar, etc.) and become fluent in it so much that you cannot tell that I am not Finnish.
We also have different types of schools based on their educational system, like is is more artistic, mathematical, linguistic or natural science based. I myself attended the natural science based, so we had a lot of chemistry, physics, astronomy, biology, geography, mathematics and home economics classes amongst other classes. Never made me become great in maths and physics but the others were very fascinating, especially astronomy.
To be fair, it's not like social media isn't in Finland. They just teach something called Media Literacy where they are taught, even in elementary school, how to stop misinformation and disinformation. Literally taught to use critical thinking skills (gasp!) and analyze the news and social media content before they believe it. They're taught how to spot doctored images (ten year olds!) and videos and AI generated content!! Even taught how as a project so they can more easily spot the signs. They've been teaching this since 1919, when they got independence from Russia who was consistently flooding them with misinformation and disinformation. Remember that "the moon is made of cheese" thing? I saw kids (not yet in puberty, KIDS) holding print outs of the story and analyzing it for clues to prove it or disprove it. Analyzing videos and images for lighting discrepancies. Critical thinking doesn't seem to be taught to anyone or at least definitely not used mainstream anymore. What happened to "trust but verify"?
You saw how the child politely, with a laugh, said no to tip? We are not a tipping culture, and prices are what you see (so no %+another %) when you eat out.
I think the biggest thing is that Finnish system teaches more critical thinking and using that skill to find the credible information you need yourself rather than outright bashing you with those facts. It also makes you want to learn things you are interested in yourself and gives you the means to do that effectively.
Also, when we start studying after our primary education is finished, that education is financially supported by our taxes as well. If you live frugally you do not need a job or a loan and can still live independently. This also applies when you go study as an adult. The government also pays for any trips to go see your family if you study in a different city.
Alan ii feel for your frustration, recently you have done prisons and health as well, the secret to all of this and its not 'socialist' or 'commy', is take care of your lowest member of your country and everything rises , health education and community all rises
The real issue USA has with this is that the people living there are too divided, in here we truly care about our fellow Finns so naturally we want everyone to have a good and safe life. In USA, politicians (at least in my opinion) have practiced very dividing politics to gain voting demographies and as a result, the nation is at each others throats wishing all the worst for each others.
You can't really build prosperous country with mutually beneficial systems in environment where no one wants it, as the first requirement is unity to some degree.
This was really interesting Alan. I'm old, and some would say I had a privileged education. I was immediately envious of this education system while learning from this video. In short, you and I both see something better in Finland than we have experienced ourselves. So, clearly it's not about how much money, but it is about how you spend what budget you have. It can be no great surprise that if teachers have autonomy like that, then better results can be obtained by having truly smart people making well informed decisions over what kids are taught rather than bodies of people with not entirely great decision making skills creating lacking and thoughtless curricula. Now to correct a common misunderstanding; Did I get better teaching from better teachers for being "privileged"? Nope, for the greater part I got high paid chancers who were not even very bright and were way too fond of having the finer (as they saw it) things in life. Great for them, but not so great for the pupils who they were supposed to be educating. Find the truly good teachers (robust examination of skills) and then pay them right (free them from worry of everyday survival so they can concentrate on teaching properly, and with excellence). I know, controversial no doubt ;o) Thanks for this chance education Alan.
That´s what we do in my country, after elementary school you can choose go to high school to prepare for college or you to FP (professional formation) to learn a trade (plomer, mechanic,..) is not perfect but it´s works just fine
Mad respect mate!
It always brings me a tear of joy whenever another american realizes they live in fucking Dumberica.
Greetings from Finland!
I wish from the bottom of my heart that future unites us with some actual reason other than publicity, power and wealth.
Bubble that held you in prison is breaking up, let us not do the same!
Time for the world to wisen up a bit and I daresay education is one of the best if not THE BEST place to start 🤔
I think one thing you also might find interesting (and what Finns take granted) is that by law there is 15 min. recess per 45 min. of teaching. That helps kids to learn better because they can take their mind of things and maybe play soccer or basketball or just talk with friends of everything. 🙂
*ITS FOOTBALL*
Of course it is but I prefer to be understood over being right. 🙂 So, when talking to Americans I say soccer, when to Europians, I say football.
@@magicofshootingstar *ITS FOOTBALL*
5:26 It's very uncommon in most countries in Europe to have tip jars, we pay a tax for waitresses, so their pay is much higher than for example in the U.S.
So they don't need to rely on the generosity of people. One could think it would affect the service quality, but every waitress I've had has been very professional and pleasant.
Also the higher education at the universities are free of charge. Even if you are older one, you have the opportunity to join and improve your life quality. I'm 51 now and studying my bachelor's degree while working full time. Classes are via Microsoft Teams and we have a digital learning platform where you make homework and rapports etc.
Im from Finland and I got these opportunities as a child. It feels bittersweet being proud of my country, but also seeing these other countries struggle with providing proper education and environment for their children. Its awful to watch the richest and the mightiest countries out there just messing it up and throwing their children into systems that don't seem to work at all.
Finnish children do start school at seven, but they have to do a year of pre-school before that. Also, most Finnish children have spent a few years at Paivakoti (excuse the spelling, I have an English language keyboard). This is an affordable daycare system, a bit like kindergarten, where children are taught & looked after by professional carers. The senior school is also a bit different, there are three separate types of schools depending on what your goals are for when you leave school.
Unless it has changed somewhat recently, even pre-school is optional. I personally didn't go to one.
@@juhokaartoaho nothing is optional anymore even ammattikoulu/lukio is mandatory these days, i havent finished ammattikoulu because i went straight to work from second grade of amis and im 22 years old now and the TE has asked me to clarify why im not in school at the moment because it is mandatory to complete it now because the government changed the law for it, even tho im 22 years old and been working for a while already, there is also some stuff that you wont get some benefits if you lose your job and havent finished school so they are basically forcing people to graduate at the moment
@@ristusnotta1653 , you speak a lot of rubbish, why?.
I heard that taxes in finland are lower than in usa, there is just more ppl pocketing the money and not using it for the common good.
I was born in Finlan and went to Finnish schools. Studied to be a nurse, moved to Norway -> university and masters degree in science (still studying towards my next goal). All of that was free. (Along that journey I caught some languages too... 6 actually ( + finnish and norwegian, of course )
I see that the Nordics are (more or less) some kind of social-capitalistic countries 😁 (if that makes any sense)
6:55 Even our Universities here in Finland are tuition free, and to think of your question one could think reducing the 3x times military budget compared to the next highest budget in the world could easily pay for every school to be free if there was a tax for it, also public healthcare could be solved with that, also teacher pay and education could be increased significantly.
U.S military budget in 2022 was *778B$* Imagine cutting it even by a third, would solve those issues immediately. Still would be almost twice as much as the second largest military budget coming from China.
There's a solution without increasing taxing, just re-directing the current taxed, gov. spending. Less money spent on weapons, instead, use it for education. I think that sounds reasonable?
That long pause when you heard that the schools don't collect any money from parents, well its the most common reaction to that from foreigner's. Only time there has been some sort of fee is when the parents them selves want to participate on providing some more expensive excursion. Most cases the kids themselves are the ones doing all the work like my class on elementary school we divided ourselves to all the major shopping centers in town and had a cookie sale on the entrances right under christmas(with store owners permission ofc). We made so much money that we got a week long trip to a place we wanted to go.
I'm a teacher in Finland. (only a part time one with no real education to teach, but still)
The main problem we have is that these children become extremely annoying to teach at about 6th grade as there are a considerable amount of rebellious children that interrupt the teaching progress and don't care about the subject being taught.
This issue comes from
1. Parents spoiling their children.
2. Teachers not having any real carrots or sticks to use.
3. Mobile phones.
Thankfully, we have to stand these kinds of behaviours for only 4 years, as the children that don't care, go to vocational schools where they can be a problem to theirselves. While the difficult children are in vocational, the rest go to upper secondary school, where they can actually learn something.
I really want my Aussie politicians to get rid of the inner circle private schools that receive multi-millions in tax money, whilst public schools are getting less. Our pollies have been turning Australia into the US and it's utter corruption.
Greetings from Finland. Schools here is great. Yes, nothings perfect, but they are good. You cannot really choose the "best school", but if you want your kids in small school you have to move in the area.
Damn, but this was very cool to watch/learn.
Here in NZ, we have a decent system (2019 it was 3rd best in world - behind Singapore and Finland), but damn. After doing a little online research, I want what Finland has.
There system is just so damned conducive to learning - and *wanting* to learn that it is mind-boggling.
And then to find out in your country a teacher / assistant principal was fired for reading a children's book (I Need a New Butt)... It really makes me wonder where you guys are going (and how you've managed to survive this long as a nation). Can't imagine the pain it has to be putting the regular Janes/Joe's through.
You should watch the video about how they approach the news and social media in schools from elementary school. We dont even have JOURNALISTS who do what they do before going on air or publishing an article!
I feel your pain.. I'm from the UK and reading posts in forums from folks in the States is just cringe worthy. I wonder if they ever graduated from Kindergarten tbh. EG;
'I don't see any 7'
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'You can't . Where whoever scratched . I you look at a streep angle you can still see thaw raised area . I'd never seem it as suck because I cannot prove it.'
So pre-school is mandatory now which practically means school starts at 6 years old. Though pre-school is still mostly playing and quite short hours, personally I didn't go to pre-school. Recently (autumn -21) our learning mandate got an upgrade in which you must go to school until 18 years old. Practically it means that from 2021 every one should have secondary level education high school or vocational school. Vocational school is where you learn hair dressing, practical nurse, plumber, painter etc. From either of those you can then continue to university or university of applied sciences.
Sweden and Finland have fantastic school meals. Funnily enough, neither Denmark or Norway do!
I was told by a friend that in India they are taught their primary and secondary careers at a young age.
This is one of them times you truly got emotional, change your country it's in your hands look at Europe Ireland, Sweden , Norway, Finland and Denmark 💕
School I went to in the UK was a Secondary modern and our lessons had a more practical outlook. Did French studies which focused learning the language that was needed to get by in France. My maths teacher was great faced with a class that was 70% boys who weren't that keen on doing maths she did things like having a project where we had to do the football (soccer ) tables including working out the goal difference, most boys wanted to mechanics so we spend a lot of time doing maths that they would need to use in their work.
To be fair, in a society where facts are a matter of opinion its REALLY hard to be a school
@L M nobody does, its a uniquely american phenomenon, that was the point
To be fair, it's not like social media isn't in Finland. They just teach something called Media Literacy where they are taught, even in elementary school, how to stop misinformation and disinformation. Literally taught to use critical thinking skills (gasp!) and analyze the news and social media content before they believe it. They're taught how to spot doctored images (ten year olds!) and videos and AI generated content!! Even taught how as a project so they can more easily spot the signs. They've been teaching this since 1919, when they got independence from Russia who was consistently flooding them with misinformation and disinformation. Remember that "the moon is made of cheese" thing? I saw kids (not yet in puberty, KIDS) holding print outs of the story and analyzing it for clues to prove it or disprove it. Analyzing videos and images for lighting discrepancies. Critical thinking doesn't seem to be taught to anyone or at least definitely not used mainstream anymore. What happened to "trust but verify"?
If only the government would leave kids alone.
Finnish schools are also cheaper to run.
The system is similar to the Japanese Suzuka (?) system, which may be different now.
sooooo...... when are you moving to Europe/UK?
America actually learns from other countries sometimes. Like I once saw a video about city government people visiting Denmark, and other countries with great bike culture, then went home to America, and did their own versions of bike path integration, that obviously didn't work, instead of just doing it, the way, countries who have done this for decades, does it.
Finland's ranking is dropping at a breakneck pace. Education had been independent in schools. Now Politicians and senior officials make themselves important and, in their own opinion now, “invent” good new methods and projects to make the system more efficient. The teaching is now mixed up. The ranking will drop drastically.
Even officials sites block all comments.
In Finland has progressive taxation. If a person earns a little of money, then the tax rate is lower. If a person earns a lot of money, then the tax rate is higher. To my knowledge, in the United States, the rich have a significantly lower tax rate than the poor. Finland is a strongly socialist country that seeks to take care of everyone which will lead to a prosperous, happy and productive society.
Teachers being allowed to customize their curriculum allows them to further customize their curriculum for different types of learners. The more we do away with that in the U.S. with deeper and deeper mandated curriculums, the more we remove a teacher's ability to do anything personalized. I first got interested in history in fifth grade because my teacher found out I was interested in board games. He gave me a book on ancient board games, and that's where my master's degree in Classics began.
No, teachers can't decide curriculum but they can decide how it's taught. Some like to do stings and others use more "trafitional" teaching methods. Do you have students reading about something and then tesy them or do you use other methods to teach it? Things like that.
Find one of these videos about South Korean Education.
I've seen it on TH-cam, and after having watched it I can confidently say we're ALL slacking 😂
Ok, jokes aside, it's pretty harsh bordering on inhumane (the hours especially). It's worth watching.
You truly are gifted with a magnificent beard, though you also take impeccable care of it too.
i grew up at 80's and 90's in Finland, i had either really good teachers or assholes. more assholes than good, i learned my stuff.
Great reaction :) More stuff about Finland? Ill think there will be lots to see and react :) Like geography now finland, open prison, white death, etc etc (not sure have ya check any of those already)
P.S. At least Nightwish is familiar already :D
Seems to me that Finland recognises that the children are the future. Educate and support the children and you will have a healthy, happy and productive society. It’s not rocket science. Who’s we were more like this in the UK. I believe it was better when I was younger cos it was accepted that not everyone could attend University so we had polytechnic colleges that allowed our young to get qualifications in practical skills and University dealt in the higher academic skills. Personally I believe it worked.
Why were the comments turned off on the original video
this video is pretty old info, the Finnish school system was at its highest around 2010-2016 if i remember correctly and has only gone down hill from there, there has been some new changes like you don't have to buy expensive ass books for high schools anymore but the support funding for students have gotten worse because it is more loan based today, like you can expect to graduate with thousands if not tens of thousands of euros in debt
not so
All teachers has Master Degree at lowest.
you need to turn your personal mic up to match the played video or viser vercer because i have to keep adjusting the sound between video and your reactions, you are alot quieter than the videos, great to see you doing these again
Suggestion how to would help.
I.E. Check the levels on the dB meter, then adjust volume/gain on the narration mic.
Or... use audio normalise function.
i have never seen in my 9 years in finnish school such a cafe
You refer to Taxes,,, others call it Investment.
remove all forms of corporate privatization/for profit organizations & standards go up while costs go down... The US prides itself on how rich it is but any country that doesn't have the welfare of it's people as the number one priority is doomed to failure. Unfortunately the privatization & for profit ethos is spreading across the globe following the trend of making the few rich while the majority suffer!
It's "Rich" because it has earth shattering high "Debt".
Being rich is therfore an illusion.
In my kids district those loose pool cues & ping pong paddles, and balls would be used as weapons and the Xbox and tv stolen. It's the Hunger Games in the US and infuriatingly, its been designed that way.
Allen, you're starting to sound a teeny weeny bit socialist.
"KENDALLLLLL! go start learning to speak Finnish, we're moving next week."
You shouldn't raise taxes. You need to reallocate the money you are already getting from the taxpayers. The thing is you weigh what's the best way to use your money and act accordingly.
Please react to the Sherlock Holmes sketch by Mitchell and Webb when you get the chance. Not the one where they play 2 parts but the Alzheimer’s one
USA has, what 350 million people, Finland has 5,5mil so we are like Minnesota, whether and lakes same. It is ofcourse easier to handel. EU(Finns belong) boasts 550mil, so perspective in mind.
Hi EB ,,the first thing to point out is the Teacher is not boring the children will her pronouns,,,sexual orientation,,,partner,,,
And pointing out the Rainbow Flag 🏳🌈 on the wall .
I’m sorry to say it but I’m sitting here laughing at your reaction because The way America is where they have to pay for everything and the government do not help we are so lucky in Europe The only good thing about America is the TV and your military you can keep everything else
I don't blame the ordinary folks for it. They are in a no win situation and how do you start to change things because voting doesn't change a thing.
It really makes you think, huh?
In addition to the Nordic countries, for example, Canada 🇨🇦, Australia 🇦🇺 and New Zealand 🇳🇿 are doing well in well-being measurements; why couldn't United States 🇺🇲 perform better too?
I believe Americans want change and fix the problems, but they are not willing to accept those changes, even though it would be beneficial for everyone in one way or another. If you will fix a big issue, it will affect positively basically in everything, in much bigger scale people think. 🤷🏻♀️
I enjoyed your reaction, greetings from Finland 👍🏻🇫🇮
I live in NZ and I can confirm that the school system isn't really this good when it comes to NCEA exams, but before all of that it was really good
On negative I have to give to Finish school system. They don't know what to do with outliers. Like children that aren't that good on sitting in class and are in to sports and music and are good in it. I know I was one my self. And I had really rough elementary school. Not that I didn't get good grades. But I skipped school days got in to fights and generally were total menace.
I do wish the UK would move away from the close relationship with the US. I worry that their ideas of every man for himself is slowly infecting us over here. I wish we were still in EU but a vote is a vote and has to be respected but do think people voted without really understanding what they were voting for.
but today we gave 800 million added to the war budget , I'm nearly 70 priced out my education in todays money was over 475k , did it in the 70's total less then 15k , if was today no way
I think that's earmarked for 'weapons for Ukraine'.
But it's typical 'Merica behaviour. Spends Billions to start & continue conflicts and wars in overseas nations. Spends crumbs locally on programs and solutions that actually help Average americans.
@@zahrans and also it's not a gift, Ukraine will have to pay it back.
I'm inclined to believe that USA will take repayment in kind.... in minerals
It's getting worst though, so much people are moving mostly from middle east, that they need extra attention and are holding back all of the rest of classroom. That is starting to really show, more and more bad behaviour, which is affecting all of the kids... but they wanted the globalisitation so... can't cherry pick.
No wonder america is falling apart!
Again.. WELCOME to the scandinavian/ Nordic way of doing things.. you know the evil evil countries where socialism is the " norm" 🙂
I would recommend buying a new mic.
to be fair to UK & US teachers, they have classes of 40 to 50 students. that's not easy to control.
I started school at 5. nursery before that.
primary legal maximum is 30 in uk and each classroom has a teacher and a teachers assistant.
@@NathansWargames
yeah and nurses by law can only work maximum 14 hours. guess what, they work more.
Educational system teaches kids to be good worker drones. Preparation for there 9 to 5 daily grind on the government tax train. They create more druggies and drinkers then critical thinkers.
@@MerryOlSoulGigglesmith No, as Nathan said, the maximum is 30. I have known occaisions, decades ago where, due to teacher sickness, a teacher had charge of up to 60 kids, but a supply teacher was organised very quickly, so that the normal class size was restored.
Oh & NHS nurses don't work more than 14 hours in the UK. Just because you may have heard of a case where a nurse did, that doesn't make it the norm.
Finland has always had to rely on itself. There's the secret. Welcome NATO.
You really need to watch your foul language when communicating about schools...if you want people to share. I would have shared but the F word is not something I want to share on FB.
do not utter God's name in vain, it is not wise.
It's not going to outperform for long. Everyone is just going to make some shitty 30 second videos where they move their lips to some shitty song. Nobody is going to work, just make some shitty videos. I guess Idiocracy was a documentary and not fiction.
EB, the Dem run schools have been ploughing money into their schools for years and the result has been worsening grades. A superior system would be to simply attach the money to the child and allow parents to have school choice. Take the government out of the lessons, allow the teachers and parents to form the curriculum (with basic guidelines around maths, English and science requirements), and allow the bad schools to be revealed. Good schools will get an influx of kids, which means more funding and the bad ones will see their staff replaced with good teachers.
I don't mean to be unkind about this but Finland is a very very different nation. It's quite a homogenous culture with low rates of crime and drug use. Children are less likely to cause trouble and tend to respect their parents and authority. The average IQ is also 3 or 4 points above the US. All of this makes teaching much easier.
That sounds like you want to privatise the education system. Whenever people are offered more choice, it is alway a cover for offering worse service. Also, parents & teachers absolutely should not be allowed to have a say in the curriculum, that would be a disaster.
@@skasteve6528
1. I clearly stated the funding would be attached to the child, this means tax money and not privatisation.
2. Why in gods name do you think it would be bad for teachers and parents to have a say in the curriculum? The current system is based upon the government having centralised control and the result has been disastrous.
Also please pay attention and notice I made it clear that some basic guidelines would be in place to ensure that core concepts would be required, specifically a grounding in English, maths and science. Beyond this I believe the teachers and parents will have a superior understanding of what the local children need compared to the opinions of a bureaucrat who lives many miles away and likely pays for their children to attend a private school.
Why are you so against individual choice and freedom?
@@skasteve6528 That's true, there are already problems with sex education and religious studies.
Can you imagine the hell the religious right can turn a school into?
Please give me extra marks for spelling and grammar.
Dude. No. We drink alcohol, have drugs, etc. We might look the same to the American eye, but we have differences that are easy to notice if you are local, just by listening to the other speak. We even have a home brewn "Christian" religion sect that uses women as walking incubators (it's a bloody cult, and they stay separate because everyone knows it's a cult.) Despite all that, every single kid has to go to school, and schools are of equal standard... Meaning a kid who grew in a cult isn't isolated, but can study and leave the town to continue studying, without any help from family. The child gets tools to make informed decisions.
I always hear that excuse from U.S: That we Finns are just better on some fundamental or genetic level, and that's why our system works. No we aren't. We got greedy people, racism, sexism, addicts (mostly alcoholics, but other stuff too)... Yet we still have it better, because we understand those things are a problem that can, and should be fixed. Not something to either glorify, ignore or demonise.
We are proud of our country, but we don't pretend we got all our sh*t together like some U.S "patriots". We want to do better, and are quick to point out flaws once we recognise them. (How much those flaws get fixed is another issue, but at least we don't proudly pretend everything is the fault of immigrants or rainbow people.)
If someone here is acting/thinking like a racist, they have the brains to know they should hide it, instead of proudly declaring it from a rooftop. Some U.S citizens are so *openly* racist. A Finnish racist like that would be an embarrassment to everyone around them. Their relatives would think they aren't right in the head… Our racism has the grace to act subtle.
We Finns have our conflicts, addicts, and discrimination. The difference is that because *we all* get a standard education, we understand such things are an issue to be solved:
As children, we meet the kids of those addicts in school. They sit next to a kid whose parents make millions. We meet the kids of those immigrants, they sit next to that kid whose parents are ultra religious. We all got detention once, for getting caught smoking on our way home from school. (True story)
As kids, we are all equal. Sure, children from struggling families might have behavioral issues. That need for a help can happen to any child, such as the rich kid whose parents are going through a divorce. Therapy is free, and school will help you get it if you need it.
It's a lot harder to dismiss a group of people, when you went into same school with their kids. Harder to say problems are resolved, by throwing everyone into a prison and forgetting about them.
@@Sienisota
You made an awful assumption in your response...you think I'm American. I'm English lol.
Kids are not all equal. IQ test scores demonstrate that rather clearly, as do sports events. You think someone with an average IQ is going to be a rocket scientist? This is just brainwashed nonsense.
Everyone should have the same opportunities but not everyone is as capable of taking advantage of those opportunities. You are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome.
Old news. Finnish schools were good about 15 years ago, but it's all ruined now. Denmark and Estonia kick our ass and the Finnish PISA results are average at best