It will be disrespectful for aptera to price out the people that supported them from nothing to production, 17000 investors some with small pockets and waiting five years for this vehicle should not be tossed to the side like trash.
@@epmoli the first few vehicle will sell at the price they set it, doesn’t matter where on the list you are, looking like $40,000 and price to start going down in two years if it drops
Their pricing was never realistic to begin with and worse when they pivoted to using CPC they immediately caused a spike in price. What too many forget is that both Chris and Steve are wealthy so the price of the vehicle isn't a concern to them or their in crowd. Chris even stated in July 2023 that the cost was increased substantially with the move to CPC. Plus they will need to claw back all those discounts offered to investors and if you don't think the pricing also considers that you are just fooling yourself.
If you want to be seen you can pay the $35+k. If you want to be green, today, you can get a lightly used bolt for under $20K and a solar array that provides a full daily charge (250 miles) under $10K. In other words 250 miles "free solar" daily range can be had today for less than $30k.
Very deceptive title. Everything here is just your hopes, suppositions, expectations, conjectures and whatnot. You're entitled to those things, of course, but to try and pass them off as "The TRUTH" is straight up BS. You don't have any more information than anyone outside of Aptera and you can't predict the future, so please stop.
@@TailosiveEV... That's AFTER it's been on the market, not before. Manufacturing costs miscalculations is where prices upswing. Last thing a new company wants to do is create an overpriced product. Of course, we'll always have consumers that will pay anything for the sake of being first. Like everything else, the selling price will eventually be more reasonable in later times.
You seem to have forgotten that those people on the list believe in Aptera, even a $100 deposit adding up to almost 50,000 deposits helped them sell the company to other investors, now those who waited years that invested and put deposits have to step to the back of the line again or just give up because they are priced or timed out, 5000 vehicles in 2025, 20,000 vehicles in 2026, it seems to me that people on the list won’t get a vehicle till 2030 and maybe at a much higher price as they neglect the people that supported them, without these people Aptera would have failed a long time ago. They need to show some appreciation and stick to the list and be men of their word.
All this Aptera talk really makes me really appreciate what Tesla has accomplished. It really highlights the amazing deal the Tesla's are if you compare everything out there to what they bring to the table. I hope Aptera can some how pull it off, but I am not one of them holding my breath. I do wish them and all the people waiting good luck. I think the cybercab/budget car will upset the apple cart. Aptera needs to move quickly if they want a shot at surviving.
Good observations; I think you have a good read of it. I'm an Accelerator and I hope for commercial success that prices come down as production ramps up...but I don't mind paying what may amount to a premium for an earlier delivery. If that's one aspect of a successful ramp-up, it's just another way I can support my other investments in them. Ultimately it's like you said: the law of supply and demand shall prevail.
Plus as an Accelerator we have stock in the company, so if it goes public and the shares go up and stay up our paying more upfront for the product gets offset. And we're maybe the first in our state to be driving the roads with the Aptera!
To start, if you take the wheel pants off in NY, you may find yourself getting a fine as there is a minimum wheel pant / shield requirement. From a practical standpoint, having snow and water flung up on the windshield or side of the vehicle is not a good thing at all. Your side camera will be covered in no time. Not certain what Steve was thinking when he suggested removing the wheel pants for snow. This wheel pant / snow & mug question has been around for years with the promise that it will be fine and they are addressing the concern. (Removing the wheel pant is NOT addressing the concern.) As far as pricing is concerned, take the initial price of a FWD LE not an AWD vehicle. (The price is 1/3rd more than the original estimate.) There was over a $2k difference between FWD & AWD. It looks like Aptera wants to follow Tesla and be a vehicle that is not affordable to most of us. If Accelerators what to pay more for the vehicle, good for them but so many of us like the efficiency all the way around and that includes the price. My pre-order LE is showing an estimated cost of $30,700* and that was updated recently. If Aptera is actually saying that the price is estimated to be $30,700 but we really are going to be charging $39k or more, then they will see many of us drop our order. How is there a price efficiency if the cost of the vehicle, costs as much as if you had to pay for service and electricity? The idea of the Aptera had been to make a very cost effective low energy consuming vehicle that the masses could afford. $40K for a vehicle is not an affordable vehicle for the masses. If you are buying a $40K vehicle and this is most likely a second vehicle, your income is likely more than $160K / year. Is that the average income of the masses? Is that even close to the average income in the US? If the Aptera were to change $100K for the LE so you could be one of the first people to have one, would people still purchase it? Well as you said, people purchased a Tesla truck that is not very practical. If the price is going to be closer to $39K / $40K then Aptera should just adjust our estimated cost of the LE to reflect that. Trust is weak with Aptera after misleading us for months that we were going to have AWD. I have been a supporter of Aptera since Round 1 but when asked when has Aptera delivered on what they said they are going to do? I have a difficult time identifying something and that is not good. I understand that things change but if you are going to be open about things, you can't mislead people and you can't set timelines for yourself that you cannot keep. A big question I have been presented is: will Aptera be around in 5 or 10 years? The more off-the-shelf items in the vehicle, the better. If Aptera doesn't make it to 5 years, at least you have a chance of getting parts for it.
I agree with you on the pricing issue. I make a decent salary of about $120K and was interested in the aptera as a 3rd car. I have a small sports car (paid off) and just bought a 24 Model Y LR AWD because I'll have a family soon and needed the space. I kept eyeing Aptera but wasn't even sure they would really deliver in time and pulled the trigger on a Tesla. If I were to get the aptera it would only be as a daily driver car for my commute to work and any errands that didn't require much cabin space. So the lowest range for be would be just fine. But once they start getting into the $40K range, it's just a few grand away from a Tesla Model 3. There's no point in buying this car when we can someone can get MUCH MORE CAR for the same money (Plus all the Tesla bells and whistles). So this car really would only be usable for single folks or couples with no children E.G. younger people in there 20's (I just turned 40) and they simply can't afford a $40k car (At least the general population). This group of people will really benefit from the base model which hopefully stays around $27K. So if that holds they would be fine. But we'll have to see how it goes.
I'm convinced that SF and CA know nothing about driving in snow. If they did they wouldn't have approved Aptera's wiper design. Also, to describe the parking area they drove it on in Switzerland as "snowy" is laughable. That said I'm not especially concerned about the wheel pants.
@@robertkirchner7981 Hey "Robert---" this Maine-ee-ack agress with you. Calif knows zero of driving in snow; or sleet or slush. My FIRST impression of the Aptera was 'this is a Calif. made car' Not made in Wisc. or Texas or?. The wiper issue is one of 'wait and see'. But to be noted, all current cars BURY the wipers in a 'canyon' behind the hood. You need a snowblower and a heat gun to clean out this mistake in auto making. I recall when wipers were 'right there' where you could find them. I even recall cars with the wiper on the TOP of the wind screen.
@@robertkirchner7981 It does appear that the Aptera team has spent too much time in the beautiful weather of San Diego to appreciate our concerns around winter weather. I will have to look into the wiper. It was my understanding that it was a single wiper. While not ideal, this would not be the first vehicle to have a single wiper. I understand that Chris and Steve must be under enormous pressure but Steve's comment about Switzerland & driving in snow, definitely did not win any points, just the opposite. For a presentation that was as important as this was, I find it concerning the lack of professional presentation. Both Chris and Steve should have had their own mics with overhead mics as backup. To not be able to hear them was just painful. When you are looking for $50M in investments, you make sure your presentation is right on. When there was IWM I was hoping that there would be enough heat from the motors to melt the snow that will build up inside the wheel pant. If snow cannot exit the tire, it truly becomes a "snow" tire and there a loss of traction. I am hoping that there is enough space behind the wheel for snow to exit but that will only exit above a certain rotational speed. If you are in a parking lot with snow, it is likely to get caught up inside the wheel pant. We shall see. Hopefully Aptera will take a PI build into the snow this winter and record it.
I paid 4 reservation, bought stock. THEY pushed back deliveries by Years, watered down specs and raised price of vapor product. Looks like I'll be using my Aptera money to buy out the lease of my polestar in a year and a half.
@Vocuzvizions BTW, the only reason I leased my EV instead of buying it was to extend the time I could wait for an Aptera. Since my lease will expire before they (if they) get any vehicles on the road I have to either buy/lease another car or buy out my lease. Either option leaves me without the funds to buy another vehicle.
@RonsTruth... He sounds like a "snitchy Karen". Reporting a problem where there is none😒. Even if there is a place to "report" at, I'm sure they'll tell him "...and?"
Small clarification: The top three Accelerators invested only $10,500 additional to get on the board. Their large prior investments (before the Accelerator Program) is what put them in the top three slots. Your point is still valid, as Accelerators four and five invested an additional $1M and $0.5M, respectively, to get their positions on the Leaderboard.
Being a Canadian (a reservation holder and an investor in Aptera), one of my main concern is Winter driving conditions. This is the reason why I am going to wait for All Wheel Drive version of Aptera. For some reason, I believe in wintery conditions, there is a chance for Aptera to 'FISH TAIL'. Especially, since it has ONLY 3 Wheels. This is why I thought an AWD will provide better traction. Of course we are mandated by law to use Snow Tires during winter.
Good example of the engineering versus marketing battle is Porsche 911R. Basically a 911 GT3 with manual transmission and no sound insulation. Marketing didn't think it would sell and priced it close to GT3. It sold out before build even started and they were auctioned off at double price shortly after. And Porsche did not get that money. We recognize the direction Aptera is moving in the EV sector. We know Aptera is the only company anywhere close to production with an innovative vehicle design properly engineered for an electric drive system.
Earlier today I did a stupid smart thing and put in a second preorder. First one was around order number 25k and is launch edition, next one is for AWD and different colors, as that's what I'd really like. Hoping that I can sell the Launch Edition and just not lose too much on it when its time for the AWD order delivery.
I want to do same now, but order a front wheel drive with 600 or 1000 mile range. When delivered, I can boast to friends with ICE that my EV has far greater range than their obsolete polluter.
@@mcamodell In China, a Geely with close to 600 K7m. Of range, sells for 20.000 USD. And that's for the limited version, a less loaded version goes for 16.000 (and it is a very nice car)
They should sell the first production vehicles at a premium. I just want them to make a profit and stay afloat so we can actually see a real revolutionary and highly efficient car on the market. I don't think we will see the first cars produced and delivered to people until the end of 2025 at the earliest though.
A fair analysis. The best market niche for Aptera is the affordable vehicle category, so there will be incentive to keep the price within reach of folks who are not rich (that is, most of us). They do need to make enough money to assure long-term survival, which is vital both for Aptera and for customers who will need service/support in the future.
My guess is 43K +- 2K and real world efficiency of like 8.1mi/Kw The price might fall with production at scale to around 35K eventually. It's also possible it never does but changes in the 2nd generation bring costs down. A 3rd option is that the price goes up, not only because of hype, but because of aggressive development It's totally possible that Aptera adds a heat pump AND switches to a much better, more dense battery, AND better solar panels AND hub motors AND improves drag all at once. If so, it might actually get 10mi/KW real world, weigh 1650 pounds, get 480 miles on a charge and so on, but it will also be more expensive. If that happened, the 2nd gen would cost like 55K
Early adopters frequently are willing to pay a premium for being the first. Aptera has done so with equity sales for approximately $35 million for the accelerator program. No question that people are willing to take the risk, because they believe it's a better thing.
I'm perfectly cool with the idea of early Apteras being somewhat more expensive, particularly if it gives the company a little extra stability. Besides, I'd much rather have an Aptera than a Cybertruck.
The price should be reasonably priced especially to folks that that are reasonable to have hung in there thru all changes with less components can't justify price hikes . I just hope there cooling can handle the desert.
Hey fellow Aptera fanboys, while we could take delivery of our LE vehicle, a year later this could be another Arcimoto or Fisker Ocean with no hope for enhancements or factory service. My risk tolerance is price of LE plus 1000 shares. I’m also considering to order a 600 or 1000 mile model now as a replacement, since they are years away from production.
I'm an old guy that is holding out for the Aptera to be my final vehicle. So far my 2011 Nissan Leaf (still on the original battery) and my Harley is doing just fine as I wait. Sure it is a gamble for investors like me, but when you are retired and you have the money it's a better gamble than wasting it on lottery tickets.
Well thought out Drew. Pricing may also depend on how big the production startup might be, based on how much financing comes in early on. Should Aptera see big investors and be able to start two locations at the same time, that would mean the ability to place much larger orders with suppliers and drive costs down more quickly. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, that's for sure!
I wonder how many will choose not to go ahead with purchase once they actually have to make that decision. I mean coming up with $100 for a dream is one thing. Committing to 30-40K for a spaceship is another. If I can't get mine before I retire, I'll likely cancel since I won't have the need for a cummuter.
Just my opinion, but I don't think the radiator will have a big effect on efficiency. It ought to be lighter than the bellypan and just pull air from the high pressure area in front of the windshield and exhaust heat to the tail. Suppose it would include a fan, shroud, exhaust duct, relay, temp sensor, hoses, an overflow reservoir, wiring and mounting hardware too.
My initial $200 I put in during the Wefunder rounds is now worth over $8,000 at the current internal stock price. If someone during the Wefunder rounds had invested $1,000, they would have enough invested in Aptera to buy their car or come very close.
Sooo... how much will they be selling for. Did i miss hearing the price quote? I remember when I first saw these being showcased. They said it would be under $17,000 to $20, 000. I take it they were wrong?
@@TailosiveEV correct the fact that the price hasn’t been edited indicates to me a willingness on the part of Aptera to stay somewhat affordable. I’m sure it will be more than stated but probably not 10000 more. I can hope ;
I reserved knowing prices would rise, doesn't mean it's any less misleading. I'm just used to startup ev bs. Decided recently to get an ioniq 5 instead since it seems my "early 2021" reservation slot is still good take 2+ years to deliver
I think your initial pricing guess is in the ball park, but may be a little low. The Incentives offered to Accelators need to be paid for so thoes costs may be added on, "mark it up so they can mark it down".
One problem is that Aptera REFUSES to tell us our actual position in the queue! I have an "order number" of 12,172 which is wrong for two reasons: first their order numbering intermingles vehicle orders with non-vehicle (shirts, hats, stickers, etc) orders, and second, because they reset the order number system in August of 2021 so I don't know what is my actual VEHICLE order queue number. Next, I changed to an LE from my original order, but with the Accelerators bumping me down the line (and the Paradigm orders that already were ahead of me), that resulted in at least a few changes to my position in the queue. All vehicle orders should be on a separate database/spreadsheet from non-vehicle orders and probably is since they said that they will release the Accelerator delivery queue positions by the end of August 2024, so it would not be hard to gives us a more REALISTIC queue position, even though some ahead of us may decline when their number comes up. At least I'd know if I have a possibility of getting my Aptera before I die.
@@artsmith103 We're talking about two different things then. My bad; I should have read the romad comment. I am saying the PI.2 is promised to be driving around by mid-August, and Steve F. is the one who said it. That's something to watch for. Hey - making a list inside of 4 weeks should be a snap. What is there to get excited about? They can stuff up that queue (a que is what pool players hit the ball with) over years to come.
@aussieideasman8498 That sounds correct. Aptera customers have concerns about who has been promised what for delivery order after the competing incentive programs. So apparently Aptera promised to publish the current queue by end of August. Just something to watch for.
I have just one question. How you will feel about all that wonderful stuff This vehicle offer to people and the planet when F 250 T-bone you on intersection?
They say productiond does 40 per day... in 156 days, the are break event. That means going into the Green in 6 MOnths... 6000 cars. 12k a year. Its not a long wait.
Why is it that china startups can make a product in record time and it takes usa decades to do the same and most of them actually fail? What infrastructure do we need to build to do the same as them?
So minus hubs,3... minus separate inverter, minus wiring from inverter to motor, ef3 aptera cogs, including falling batt prices should be at least 23% lower
Really like to know how deep in the whole this IP is? I think it looks cool but so did lots of other three wheelers. It just lives in the land of pickup trucks and conservation of momentum is a bitch? Would this work better in Switzerland or Singapore?
NEW RENDERS? I just saw these, and it LOOKS impressive and very conventional. Where are the new images to be found? As usual, Aptera is big on cartoons, but less so on making progress on the real thing. Think me wrong? Then tell me why Aptera will NOT have the PI build 88788877?or whatever, at the Fully Charged Show in Sept in Vancouver. By an email I have, the answers is, by translation; the SEV will not be ready.
Yep. Supply and demand. As a comic art collector, Iv'e seen some artists raise their prices for original art after some people buy it at the affordable price they set just to see it turned around on Ebay for 10 times as much. After seeing so much of that happen, they raise their prices and then you have people complaining that they can't afford to get art now, but the artist is just meeting the price it demands. I thought the investor webinar was intersting but holy cow I didn't know the minimum investment was $50K. I hope that doesn't mean that they get to cut in line in front of Accellarators....
It would make a great $20k second car but $40k is way too much. Considering their small production capacity their business model does not make sense. I hope I'm wrong, but it's an expensive 3 wheeler with vulnerable running gear.
I think you are being too generous. Aptera got this far with the help of early investors, some of whom were shoved out of the way by the accelerator people. If the price continues to escalate either based on demand or inflation as more time passes for the people who were early investors, that does not seem fair. They need to respect the early investors by selling to them at a lower price than they sell to those attracted to the car at the last minute. If I was an early investor and ordered a 600-mile version that takes longer to receive, was my early commitment to Aptera worth less than the accelerators who came afterward? They should use graduated pricing based on how early and how much you invested to help them get off the ground.
I hope Aptera does not overplay their hand. Believing their own press before establishing a true following might doom them before they start. Price will be important-keep in mind, it does have three wheels and two seats. BTW: I like the sunglasses-ignore the Trolls.
If it gets out in time in 2025 and little old middle-class me can afford one, great, I get one. If it comes out in 2027 and costs fifty grand, then it'll be just like all the other EVs out there -- toys for wealthy people. Currently, NOBODY has figured out how to crack the problem of "how can regular folks afford an electric," and everything I'm hearing lately suggests that this is looking to be more of the same.
I have suggested that Aptera do a demo series of a drivable PI up the east coast. You would be surprised how many people live in apartments who could use Aptera. BTW, I am an accelerator. I am getting the LE with 600 mile battery.
@@johnmalcom9159 I have been told as an accelerator gets the first of cars of with the option you have selected and will be delivered as a acclerator car with number, etc.
I don’t understand why people always wants to be the first to buy new production vehicules. I remember the early Tesla models were catastrophic with such high price. Actually no one wants early production models in second hand market. Actually no one wants first production models in used cars market because they become so quickly dated…
As I suggest on a TH-cam video with address ending /watch?v=warVVm5PUZo, you're already building a charging system into your vehicle so why not just put in an expansion port so we can park next to an array at our homes and plug in to accelerate the solar charging? It just seems like a logical thing to do if you want to add value and give people another great reason to buy your product. If it's as easy as plugging in a DC connector to a socket and having your car's solar array circuit run through my solar panel array on their way to the charge controller, the cost on your part is a different charge controller, a SPDT switch, and a DC receptacle and possibly wire upgrade to handle the increased voltage. I'm going to put this idea into every Aptera video I can find until you put it into your vehicle. I want every person who sees these videos to watch for your response to such a common sense idea so we can all know what your team does when an obvious win is offered on a silver platter.
Pretty astute observation. If Aptera can come even remotely close to the specs promised earlier (efficiency, performance, and price), it should sell at a premium for starters. Comparing it to the new Dodge? Well, yeah... On paper the Aptera is a far more practical vehicle than the new Charger. If they can sell it $38k to $40k at the beginning, they won't be able to keep up with demand. It will sell because people are looking for alternatives. Aptera might have come along at exactly the right time to give them that alternative. PS: Just hoping they add a little secret sauce to the dish to make it more enticing to buy at a premium. Easter Eggs like the ability to go into the car's menu and increase it's top speed to more than the electronically limited 101 mph would be cool.
The Charger is a far more practical car because it has space. The aptera will only work for folks that don't have a family. So from that point of view, they will really onlybe able to sell it to single people or coupes that don't have a family. Which is totally fine at the $27K range as those people will likely be younger and not able to affor a $40k car. But once you get into the $40K range, you start losing potential buyers due to what's available in that range.
Cars don’t appreciate in value don’t tell people to take delivery and then resell it for a profit. That is beyond idiotic. Especially, if everyone tries to resell it😮
The actual Apteras price is still a 2019 pre covid, pre inflation, pre expensive body ESTIMATE. The real start price will be over 40k. And Aptera will still lose money with it.
I was at 10,806. Then you put 2000 people in front of that. puts me around the 12,000 something. Sure, hope it doesn't move up too high. cause I have other things I could spend my money on. Course I'm holding on to cash to pay for this thing. Don't know if that's not do me any good.
$25 k was too much when It was announced to begin with if its more now they've lost their minds. They've neutered it as well it had a 1000 mile range all kind of crazy cool stuff now it's just average at a giant price for a two seat motorcycle basically. Just buy a good used tesla and get a good reliable car without all the start up headaches .
It's a three wheeled receational vehicle. That's not what it started out to be, and that's not what they're saying it is now. But, forget hype and take a good look at it, that's what it is. If you got the money to blow on something like that, good for you. I don't.
If you are an accredited investor, you can invest through US Capital Group. As mentioned above, $50,000 minimum buy-in at this point. Anything less than that will have to wait for the IPO.
I want a Rivian R1T but even their new models are to much. If Aptera increase the price to much I will cancel and buy the Maverick which I will probably buy even if I do not cancel my Aptera order.
Bought chevy silverado ev 450 miles range had model y long range with half the range can't wait for 1000 miles range don't take to long . Time can kill do it now before Tesla makes a real long range . Good luck Aptera I like every thing about you except it's taking to long
So here's how this is going to go down. Aptera IPOs at let's say $40 a share. You buy in, 3 months later It's at $6. You buy more and double down because fundamentals and to the Moon diamond hands, whatever. 2026 rolls around and they finally release 30 vehicles at almost double the original price. Mkbhd gets a hold of one, he doesn't like it. One month later bankruptcy. You are now seeing a doctor. Probably a psychiatrist if you can afford it at that time because you lost everything in Aptera. We do have a recent track history with electric vehicle startups that isn't too positive with the exception of rivian and lucid. And only because lucid has Saudi sugar daddies
@@barnabasseadog7660 TBD, I was an early deposit and was excited for the company. But at this point they are starting to make compromises and the price is going up. By the time this vehicle makes it to market in whatever form that may be. It may spec less favorably to the 400 mile plus range vehicles on the market at that time and come in at a higher price while offering half the utility of a five-passenger vehicle. When this vehicle was announced, we were all excited at the potential of a $20,000 to $25,000 commuter. I'm not actively rooting against aptera, just observing the red flags.
I see where you're coming from, but Aptera has been FAR more disciplined in their development spending than any of the above examples. They all spent tens or hundreds of times as much to get to this point. Production will be where they stand or fall, but at least the vehicle was designed to be as easy to manufacture as possible, and although as currently structured, production will be logistically complex, those logistics will quickly simplify. It probably won't be Production Hell. More like Production Heck.
Assuming trump ends all ev subsidies that will even the playing field unless a deal has been made to continue subsidies on Tesla vehicles,maga vehicles.
It will be disrespectful for aptera to price out the people that supported them from nothing to production, 17000 investors some with small pockets and waiting five years for this vehicle should not be tossed to the side like trash.
@Dsnybx911 I totaly Agree with you on what Aptera. Showing no loyalty to aptera long long time supporters.
@@epmoli the first few vehicle will sell at the price they set it, doesn’t matter where on the list you are, looking like $40,000 and price to start going down in two years if it drops
Their pricing was never realistic to begin with and worse when they pivoted to using CPC they immediately caused a spike in price. What too many forget is that both Chris and Steve are wealthy so the price of the vehicle isn't a concern to them or their in crowd. Chris even stated in July 2023 that the cost was increased substantially with the move to CPC. Plus they will need to claw back all those discounts offered to investors and if you don't think the pricing also considers that you are just fooling yourself.
@@fourteenfour1 not enough vehicles for the price, so they won’t sell, just another EV company going out of business.
If anyone who invested in aptera makes money, they should be happy, and can use that money to buy an aptera
If you want to be seen you can pay the $35+k. If you want to be green, today, you can get a lightly used bolt for under $20K and a solar array that provides a full daily charge (250 miles) under $10K. In other words 250 miles "free solar" daily range can be had today for less than $30k.
As always, Anticipation is the best part of Aptera!!!
Very deceptive title. Everything here is just your hopes, suppositions, expectations, conjectures and whatnot. You're entitled to those things, of course, but to try and pass them off as "The TRUTH" is straight up BS. You don't have any more information than anyone outside of Aptera and you can't predict the future, so please stop.
Truth is price is dictated by supply and demand.
@@TailosiveEV And by the need of the manufacturer to still make even a little profit.
@@TailosiveEV Price is zero because supply is zero.
@@aussieideasman8498wrong, price is determined by a products demand. This is econ101
@@TailosiveEV... That's AFTER it's been on the market, not before. Manufacturing costs miscalculations is where prices upswing. Last thing a new company wants to do is create an overpriced product. Of course, we'll always have consumers that will pay anything for the sake of being first. Like everything else, the selling price will eventually be more reasonable in later times.
You seem to have forgotten that those people on the list believe in Aptera, even a $100 deposit adding up to almost 50,000 deposits helped them sell the company to other investors, now those who waited years that invested and put deposits have to step to the back of the line again or just give up because they are priced or timed out, 5000 vehicles in 2025, 20,000 vehicles in 2026, it seems to me that people on the list won’t get a vehicle till 2030 and maybe at a much higher price as they neglect the people that supported them, without these people Aptera would have failed a long time ago. They need to show some appreciation and stick to the list and be men of their word.
Yep - they’re worse than a Ponzi scheme
All this Aptera talk really makes me really appreciate what Tesla has accomplished. It really highlights the amazing deal the Tesla's are if you compare everything out there to what they bring to the table. I hope Aptera can some how pull it off, but I am not one of them holding my breath. I do wish them and all the people waiting good luck. I think the cybercab/budget car will upset the apple cart. Aptera needs to move quickly if they want a shot at surviving.
Good observations; I think you have a good read of it. I'm an Accelerator and I hope for commercial success that prices come down as production ramps up...but I don't mind paying what may amount to a premium for an earlier delivery. If that's one aspect of a successful ramp-up, it's just another way I can support my other investments in them. Ultimately it's like you said: the law of supply and demand shall prevail.
Plus as an Accelerator we have stock in the company, so if it goes public and the shares go up and stay up our paying more upfront for the product gets offset. And we're maybe the first in our state to be driving the roads with the Aptera!
I want my vehicle but I also am an accelerator and want my stock to go up too.
After IPO the stock price will fall and then likely stabilise. But they need to be profitable first
Yeah - me want my cake n me want to eat it too Einstein 🎉🎉🎉
@@SooperTooberYa mean like Tesla owners did? Got my tesla stock under $30/sh WAY before profitsbility.
Dude, I can see that you really have high hopes for this EV. Hope everything turns out all right.
To start, if you take the wheel pants off in NY, you may find yourself getting a fine as there is a minimum wheel pant / shield requirement. From a practical standpoint, having snow and water flung up on the windshield or side of the vehicle is not a good thing at all. Your side camera will be covered in no time. Not certain what Steve was thinking when he suggested removing the wheel pants for snow. This wheel pant / snow & mug question has been around for years with the promise that it will be fine and they are addressing the concern. (Removing the wheel pant is NOT addressing the concern.)
As far as pricing is concerned, take the initial price of a FWD LE not an AWD vehicle. (The price is 1/3rd more than the original estimate.) There was over a $2k difference between FWD & AWD. It looks like Aptera wants to follow Tesla and be a vehicle that is not affordable to most of us. If Accelerators what to pay more for the vehicle, good for them but so many of us like the efficiency all the way around and that includes the price. My pre-order LE is showing an estimated cost of $30,700* and that was updated recently. If Aptera is actually saying that the price is estimated to be $30,700 but we really are going to be charging $39k or more, then they will see many of us drop our order. How is there a price efficiency if the cost of the vehicle, costs as much as if you had to pay for service and electricity? The idea of the Aptera had been to make a very cost effective low energy consuming vehicle that the masses could afford. $40K for a vehicle is not an affordable vehicle for the masses. If you are buying a $40K vehicle and this is most likely a second vehicle, your income is likely more than $160K / year. Is that the average income of the masses? Is that even close to the average income in the US? If the Aptera were to change $100K for the LE so you could be one of the first people to have one, would people still purchase it? Well as you said, people purchased a Tesla truck that is not very practical.
If the price is going to be closer to $39K / $40K then Aptera should just adjust our estimated cost of the LE to reflect that. Trust is weak with Aptera after misleading us for months that we were going to have AWD. I have been a supporter of Aptera since Round 1 but when asked when has Aptera delivered on what they said they are going to do? I have a difficult time identifying something and that is not good. I understand that things change but if you are going to be open about things, you can't mislead people and you can't set timelines for yourself that you cannot keep. A big question I have been presented is: will Aptera be around in 5 or 10 years? The more off-the-shelf items in the vehicle, the better. If Aptera doesn't make it to 5 years, at least you have a chance of getting parts for it.
I agree with you on the pricing issue. I make a decent salary of about $120K and was interested in the aptera as a 3rd car. I have a small sports car (paid off) and just bought a 24 Model Y LR AWD because I'll have a family soon and needed the space. I kept eyeing Aptera but wasn't even sure they would really deliver in time and pulled the trigger on a Tesla. If I were to get the aptera it would only be as a daily driver car for my commute to work and any errands that didn't require much cabin space. So the lowest range for be would be just fine. But once they start getting into the $40K range, it's just a few grand away from a Tesla Model 3. There's no point in buying this car when we can someone can get MUCH MORE CAR for the same money (Plus all the Tesla bells and whistles). So this car really would only be usable for single folks or couples with no children E.G. younger people in there 20's (I just turned 40) and they simply can't afford a $40k car (At least the general population).
This group of people will really benefit from the base model which hopefully stays around $27K. So if that holds they would be fine. But we'll have to see how it goes.
I'm convinced that SF and CA know nothing about driving in snow. If they did they wouldn't have approved Aptera's wiper design. Also, to describe the parking area they drove it on in Switzerland as "snowy" is laughable. That said I'm not especially concerned about the wheel pants.
@@robertkirchner7981 Hey "Robert---" this Maine-ee-ack agress with you. Calif knows zero of driving in snow; or sleet or slush. My FIRST impression of the Aptera was 'this is a Calif. made car' Not made in Wisc. or Texas or?. The wiper issue is one of 'wait and see'. But to be noted, all current cars BURY the wipers in a 'canyon' behind the hood. You need a snowblower and a heat gun to clean out this mistake in auto making. I recall when wipers were 'right there' where you could find them. I even recall cars with the wiper on the TOP of the wind screen.
@@robertkirchner7981 It does appear that the Aptera team has spent too much time in the beautiful weather of San Diego to appreciate our concerns around winter weather. I will have to look into the wiper. It was my understanding that it was a single wiper. While not ideal, this would not be the first vehicle to have a single wiper.
I understand that Chris and Steve must be under enormous pressure but Steve's comment about Switzerland & driving in snow, definitely did not win any points, just the opposite. For a presentation that was as important as this was, I find it concerning the lack of professional presentation. Both Chris and Steve should have had their own mics with overhead mics as backup. To not be able to hear them was just painful. When you are looking for $50M in investments, you make sure your presentation is right on.
When there was IWM I was hoping that there would be enough heat from the motors to melt the snow that will build up inside the wheel pant. If snow cannot exit the tire, it truly becomes a "snow" tire and there a loss of traction. I am hoping that there is enough space behind the wheel for snow to exit but that will only exit above a certain rotational speed. If you are in a parking lot with snow, it is likely to get caught up inside the wheel pant. We shall see. Hopefully Aptera will take a PI build into the snow this winter and record it.
@@ddessert6 Good comments. Next is not demonstrating any of their market defining performance claims.
If your taking off the wheel covers to prevent snow build up, you are likely, or should not be, worried about driving freeway speeds.
I paid 4 reservation, bought stock. THEY pushed back deliveries by Years, watered down specs and raised price of vapor product. Looks like I'll be using my Aptera money to buy out the lease of my polestar in a year and a half.
"4 reservation, bought stock" suuuuuuuuure (reported you btw)
Reported me to whom? I am exactly who I say I am and have the stocks to prove it. Who do you think you are?
@Vocuzvizions BTW, the only reason I leased my EV instead of buying it was to extend the time I could wait for an Aptera. Since my lease will expire before they (if they) get any vehicles on the road I have to either buy/lease another car or buy out my lease. Either option leaves me without the funds to buy another vehicle.
@RonsTruth... He sounds like a "snitchy Karen". Reporting a problem where there is none😒. Even if there is a place to "report" at, I'm sure they'll tell him "...and?"
why did they say it can go 1000 miles on a single charge but only go 400 miles?
Small clarification: The top three Accelerators invested only $10,500 additional to get on the board. Their large prior investments (before the Accelerator Program) is what put them in the top three slots.
Your point is still valid, as Accelerators four and five invested an additional $1M and $0.5M, respectively, to get their positions on the Leaderboard.
Being a Canadian (a reservation holder and an investor in Aptera), one of my main concern is Winter driving conditions. This is the reason why I am going to wait for All Wheel Drive version of Aptera. For some reason, I believe in wintery conditions, there is a chance for Aptera to 'FISH TAIL'. Especially, since it has ONLY 3 Wheels. This is why I thought an AWD will provide better traction. Of course we are mandated by law to use Snow Tires during winter.
How do you fit a tow bar?
I'm curious about crash test results.
Curious since 2009.
Yes. I like the car but the thing looks like a death trap
@@jpizel1070... Well, it is coffin-sized so you'll save some money there.((😁))
Good example of the engineering versus marketing battle is Porsche 911R. Basically a 911 GT3 with manual transmission and no sound insulation. Marketing didn't think it would sell and priced it close to GT3. It sold out before build even started and they were auctioned off at double price shortly after. And Porsche did not get that money. We recognize the direction Aptera is moving in the EV sector. We know Aptera is the only company anywhere close to production with an innovative vehicle design properly engineered for an electric drive system.
Earlier today I did a stupid smart thing and put in a second preorder. First one was around order number 25k and is launch edition, next one is for AWD and different colors, as that's what I'd really like. Hoping that I can sell the Launch Edition and just not lose too much on it when its time for the AWD order delivery.
I want to do same now, but order a front wheel drive with 600 or 1000 mile range. When delivered, I can boast to friends with ICE that my EV has far greater range than their obsolete polluter.
I did the same thing about a year ago 😊
I think they are going to have a really hard time selling volume at a Price tag so close to a model 3.
@@mcamodell In China, a Geely with close to 600 K7m. Of range, sells for 20.000 USD. And that's for the limited version, a less loaded version goes for 16.000 (and it is a very nice car)
@@frederickreinking6655 not federalized for US market though, adding all that would certainly increase the costs closer to Aptera
@@frederickreinking6655 China's EVs have their own issues ranging from rust issues to higher frequency of battery fires.
They should sell the first production vehicles at a premium. I just want them to make a profit and stay afloat so we can actually see a real revolutionary and highly efficient car on the market. I don't think we will see the first cars produced and delivered to people until the end of 2025 at the earliest though.
A fair analysis. The best market niche for Aptera is the affordable vehicle category, so there will be incentive to keep the price within reach of folks who are not rich (that is, most of us). They do need to make enough money to assure long-term survival, which is vital both for Aptera and for customers who will need service/support in the future.
Such a shame they’re pulling the wheel-hub motors, there goes the low and wide centre of gravity…. and its appeal
I have two words, unsprung mass. That's what pervented me from investing but knowing they changed it to a drive train, i'm all in!
The appeal (to you) of the Aptera was hub motors? LOLOLOLOL
My guess is 43K +- 2K and real world efficiency of like 8.1mi/Kw
The price might fall with production at scale to around 35K eventually.
It's also possible it never does but changes in the 2nd generation bring costs down.
A 3rd option is that the price goes up, not only because of hype, but because of aggressive development
It's totally possible that Aptera adds a heat pump AND switches to a much better, more dense battery, AND better solar panels AND hub motors AND improves drag all at once. If so, it might actually get 10mi/KW real world, weigh 1650 pounds, get 480 miles on a charge and so on, but it will also be more expensive. If that happened, the 2nd gen would cost like 55K
Early adopters frequently are willing to pay a premium for being the first. Aptera has done so with equity sales for approximately $35 million for the accelerator program. No question that people are willing to take the risk, because they believe it's a better thing.
Close to $40M, not $35M.
@@Aa792 Ha Ha Ha😅😅😅
Do you have any idea if aptera will have bidirectional charging
Maybe sometime in the distant future but not anytime soon.
The appeal to me is that $19k price on the website for the small range model.
I hoping for a version two. Version two of any product are usually better if the product is successful.
No worries. Demand will be shockingly crazy!
Range, 10miles/kwh city, highway or combined?
Combined
@TailosiveEV do you know the city and highway ranges? 25kwh
Three of the top five accelerators are from Singapore. Isn’t that where Maxon is from? Not private individuals.
I'm down with them making slim margins, but just make sure it's viable
A good rule of thumb is to not watch any video that begins with "The TRUTH about..." Warning bells should go off as soon as those words appear.
So... why'd you watch it?
Sounding like a cars salesman 😂. I can’t wait to see these on the road finally. Good weekend getaway car if efficiency holds true.
Kinda reminds me of the Galileo shuttle craft on Star Trek original series crossed with a frozen tear.
Yes I would agree with you, good luck.
I'm perfectly cool with the idea of early Apteras being somewhat more expensive, particularly if it gives the company a little extra stability. Besides, I'd much rather have an Aptera than a Cybertruck.
What’s their discord server?
The price should be reasonably priced especially to folks that that are reasonable to have hung in there thru all changes with less components can't justify price hikes . I just hope there cooling can handle the desert.
Hey fellow Aptera fanboys, while we could take delivery of our LE vehicle, a year later this could be another Arcimoto or Fisker Ocean with no hope for enhancements or factory service. My risk tolerance is price of LE plus 1000 shares.
I’m also considering to order a 600 or 1000 mile model now as a replacement, since they are years away from production.
I'm an old guy that is holding out for the Aptera to be my final vehicle. So far my 2011 Nissan Leaf (still on the original battery) and my Harley is doing just fine as I wait. Sure it is a gamble for investors like me, but when you are retired and you have the money it's a better gamble than wasting it on lottery tickets.
Same here my Nissan leaf 2011 runs and runs funny thing is when the red goes to green I leave the lot on behind with no sound
Well thought out Drew. Pricing may also depend on how big the production startup might be, based on how much financing comes in early on. Should Aptera see big investors and be able to start two locations at the same time, that would mean the ability to place much larger orders with suppliers and drive costs down more quickly. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, that's for sure!
I wonder how many will choose not to go ahead with purchase once they actually have to make that decision. I mean coming up with $100 for a dream is one thing. Committing to 30-40K for a spaceship is another. If I can't get mine before I retire, I'll likely cancel since I won't have the need for a cummuter.
Happy seeing you make updates on the aptera this car deserves it!
What's that new front radiator going to do to efficiency and range. Look for the revel this month.
The radiator is not in the front.
It will not do much the air for the radiator is sucked in between the hood and the windshield.
Just my opinion, but I don't think the radiator will have a big effect on efficiency. It ought to be lighter than the bellypan and just pull air from the high pressure area in front of the windshield and exhaust heat to the tail. Suppose it would include a fan, shroud, exhaust duct, relay, temp sensor, hoses, an overflow reservoir, wiring and mounting hardware too.
It is not a radiator. the radiator(2) are internal to the vehicle
@@robinpettit7827 Ice and emotor efficiency difference is huge, so it doesn't have to do much.
My initial $200 I put in during the Wefunder rounds is now worth over $8,000 at the current internal stock price. If someone during the Wefunder rounds had invested $1,000, they would have enough invested in Aptera to buy their car or come very close.
I bought $1000 of wefunder.
I wonder, when we will be able to get it in Europe.
Sooo... how much will they be selling for. Did i miss hearing the price quote?
I remember when I first saw these being showcased. They said it would be under $17,000 to $20, 000. I take it they were wrong?
Have they mentioned steer by wire?
They don't have it
The price is stated on my reservation page, I’ll hold them to that. If they raze it or lower it, then I’ll pay that. Right now it’s 30,700.
On your reservation page it says "price subject to change"
@@TailosiveEV correct the fact that the price hasn’t been edited indicates to me a willingness on the part of Aptera to stay somewhat affordable. I’m sure it will be more than stated but probably not 10000 more.
I can hope ;
Aptera pricing will be razed, indeed 🔥
I reserved knowing prices would rise, doesn't mean it's any less misleading. I'm just used to startup ev bs. Decided recently to get an ioniq 5 instead since it seems my "early 2021" reservation slot is still good take 2+ years to deliver
I think your initial pricing guess is in the ball park, but may be a little low. The Incentives offered to Accelators need to be paid for so thoes costs may be added on, "mark it up so they can mark it down".
I love the aptera, I live in France but never will be able to afford it
One problem is that Aptera REFUSES to tell us our actual position in the queue! I have an "order number" of 12,172 which is wrong for two reasons: first their order numbering intermingles vehicle orders with non-vehicle (shirts, hats, stickers, etc) orders, and second, because they reset the order number system in August of 2021 so I don't know what is my actual VEHICLE order queue number. Next, I changed to an LE from my original order, but with the Accelerators bumping me down the line (and the Paradigm orders that already were ahead of me), that resulted in at least a few changes to my position in the queue. All vehicle orders should be on a separate database/spreadsheet from non-vehicle orders and probably is since they said that they will release the Accelerator delivery queue positions by the end of August 2024, so it would not be hard to gives us a more REALISTIC queue position, even though some ahead of us may decline when their number comes up. At least I'd know if I have a possibility of getting my Aptera before I die.
End of August, 2024....another Aptera deadline to watch for.
@@artsmith103 No - it's mid-August.
@@aussieideasman8498 One of the fanboys said Aptera said they would publish the Accelerator delivery que by the end of August.
@@artsmith103 We're talking about two different things then. My bad; I should have read the romad comment. I am saying the PI.2 is promised to be driving around by mid-August, and Steve F. is the one who said it. That's something to watch for. Hey - making a list inside of 4 weeks should be a snap. What is there to get excited about? They can stuff up that queue (a que is what pool players hit the ball with) over years to come.
@aussieideasman8498 That sounds correct. Aptera customers have concerns about who has been promised what for delivery order after the competing incentive programs. So apparently Aptera promised to publish the current queue by end of August. Just something to watch for.
I’m getting a LE and left my order for a AWD Aptera
I have just one question. How you will feel about all that wonderful stuff This vehicle offer to people and the planet when F 250 T-bone you on intersection?
Are you saying that everyone should drive an F-250?
Glad you are explaining basic economics....half the population has NO CLUE
They say productiond does 40 per day... in 156 days, the are break event. That means going into the Green in 6 MOnths... 6000 cars. 12k a year. Its not a long wait.
If Chinese and others come in with 30k cars with 200 mile range there's going to be a very small group of people willing to pay 40k for this.
Why is it that china startups can make a product in record time and it takes usa decades to do the same and most of them actually fail? What infrastructure do we need to build to do the same as them?
I might buy it. It looks awesome
So minus hubs,3... minus separate inverter, minus wiring from inverter to motor, ef3 aptera cogs, including falling batt prices should be at least 23% lower
I hope I will be able to afford my LE when my turn cones up.
*edit comes
Really like to know how deep in the whole this IP is? I think it looks cool but so did lots of other three wheelers. It just lives in the land of pickup trucks and conservation of momentum is a bitch? Would this work better in Switzerland or Singapore?
Aptera looks reminds me of the Plymouth Prowler.
We just got some renders - I have seen 3 of them - of the new chassis with the FWD drivetrain!
NEW RENDERS? I just saw these, and it LOOKS impressive and very conventional. Where are the new images to be found? As usual, Aptera is big on cartoons, but less so on making progress on the real thing. Think me wrong? Then tell me why Aptera will NOT have the PI build 88788877?or whatever, at the Fully Charged Show in Sept in Vancouver. By an email I have, the answers is, by translation; the SEV will not be ready.
Yep. Supply and demand. As a comic art collector, Iv'e seen some artists raise their prices for original art after some people buy it at the affordable price they set just to see it turned around on Ebay for 10 times as much. After seeing so much of that happen, they raise their prices and then you have people complaining that they can't afford to get art now, but the artist is just meeting the price it demands.
I thought the investor webinar was intersting but holy cow I didn't know the minimum investment was $50K. I hope that doesn't mean that they get to cut in line in front of Accellarators....
It's not an Accelerator Program, they ain't selling vehicle slots.
It would make a great $20k second car but $40k is way too much. Considering their small production capacity their business model does not make sense. I hope I'm wrong, but it's an expensive 3 wheeler with vulnerable running gear.
Twenty years to get this to market if it ever happens.
I think you are being too generous. Aptera got this far with the help of early investors, some of whom were shoved out of the way by the accelerator people. If the price continues to escalate either based on demand or inflation as more time passes for the people who were early investors, that does not seem fair. They need to respect the early investors by selling to them at a lower price than they sell to those attracted to the car at the last minute. If I was an early investor and ordered a 600-mile version that takes longer to receive, was my early commitment to Aptera worth less than the accelerators who came afterward? They should use graduated pricing based on how early and how much you invested to help them get off the ground.
Early investors got their shares at a lower price, so there's that at least.
If they price it too low they’ll be put out of business and declare bankruptcy. How’s that fair to their investors?
I hope Aptera does not overplay their hand. Believing their own press before establishing a true following might doom them before they start. Price will be important-keep in mind, it does have three wheels and two seats.
BTW: I like the sunglasses-ignore the Trolls.
Make a base model with no bells and whistles for under 15k brand new and I will buy one, not a penny more.
If it gets out in time in 2025 and little old middle-class me can afford one, great, I get one. If it comes out in 2027 and costs fifty grand, then it'll be just like all the other EVs out there -- toys for wealthy people. Currently, NOBODY has figured out how to crack the problem of "how can regular folks afford an electric," and everything I'm hearing lately suggests that this is looking to be more of the same.
I have suggested that Aptera do a demo series of a drivable PI up the east coast. You would be surprised how many people live in apartments who could use Aptera. BTW, I am an accelerator. I am getting the LE with 600 mile battery.
Chris M mentioned on our podcast they do plan on doing road trips to meet with the community with the Pi builds
Hi. The launch edition has the 400 mile range battery.
There is no 600 mi battery for launch addition. only 400.
@@johnmalcom9159 I have been told as an accelerator gets the first of cars of with the option you have selected and will be delivered as a acclerator car with number, etc.
I don’t understand why people always wants to be the first to buy new production vehicules. I remember the early Tesla models were catastrophic with such high price. Actually no one wants early production models in second hand market.
Actually no one wants first production models in used cars market because they become so quickly dated…
As I suggest on a TH-cam video with address ending /watch?v=warVVm5PUZo, you're already building a charging system into your vehicle so why not just put in an expansion port so we can park next to an array at our homes and plug in to accelerate the solar charging? It just seems like a logical thing to do if you want to add value and give people another great reason to buy your product. If it's as easy as plugging in a DC connector to a socket and having your car's solar array circuit run through my solar panel array on their way to the charge controller, the cost on your part is a different charge controller, a SPDT switch, and a DC receptacle and possibly wire upgrade to handle the increased voltage. I'm going to put this idea into every Aptera video I can find until you put it into your vehicle. I want every person who sees these videos to watch for your response to such a common sense idea so we can all know what your team does when an obvious win is offered on a silver platter.
Aptera video? Aptera sunglasses!
wonderful when ??
I think they should charge a premium for early purchases.
You can buy a full size Camry for 25k and don’t have to deal with the hassle of waiting for charging.
Be more comfortable!
Safety test done yet?
Pretty astute observation. If Aptera can come even remotely close to the specs promised earlier (efficiency, performance, and price), it should sell at a premium for starters. Comparing it to the new Dodge? Well, yeah... On paper the Aptera is a far more practical vehicle than the new Charger. If they can sell it $38k to $40k at the beginning, they won't be able to keep up with demand. It will sell because people are looking for alternatives. Aptera might have come along at exactly the right time to give them that alternative. PS: Just hoping they add a little secret sauce to the dish to make it more enticing to buy at a premium. Easter Eggs like the ability to go into the car's menu and increase it's top speed to more than the electronically limited 101 mph would be cool.
The Charger is a far more practical car because it has space. The aptera will only work for folks that don't have a family. So from that point of view, they will really onlybe able to sell it to single people or coupes that don't have a family. Which is totally fine at the $27K range as those people will likely be younger and not able to affor a $40k car. But once you get into the $40K range, you start losing potential buyers due to what's available in that range.
Cars don’t appreciate in value don’t tell people to take delivery and then resell it for a profit. That is beyond idiotic. Especially, if everyone tries to resell it😮
Disagree. This is not a normal car.
Never sell at a loss.
No allwheel drive, slower 0-60 , 2 seats? Price catching up to real cars. Don't get greedy.
The actual Apteras price is still a 2019 pre covid, pre inflation, pre expensive body ESTIMATE. The real start price will be over 40k. And Aptera will still lose money with it.
@@vic321344 That would be a real problem!
I was at 10,806. Then you put 2000 people in front of that. puts me around the 12,000 something. Sure, hope it doesn't move up too high. cause I have other things I could spend my money on. Course I'm holding on to cash to pay for this thing. Don't know if that's not do me any good.
Aptera is taking too long to start delivery. They will start in CAL then US then EU where I am. I cant wait another 4 years.
Then unsubscribe and come back in 3 years.
@@andrewmclean1239 To see how Aptera went bancrupt in the meantime?
Tesla or aptera purchase in early 2025?
Will speed bumps and pot holes destroy this car?
$25 k was too much when It was announced to begin with if its more now they've lost their minds. They've neutered it as well it had a 1000 mile range all kind of crazy cool stuff now it's just average at a giant price for a two seat motorcycle basically. Just buy a good used tesla and get a good reliable car without all the start up headaches .
Aptera: The driving experience is just like a normal car.
Also Aptera: You gotta remove the wheel pants when it snows and find a place to store 'em.
That is false. They have said there is no issue with the wheel “pants” with snow and have shown videos showing why that’s the case.
It's a three wheeled receational vehicle. That's not what it started out to be, and that's not what they're saying it is now. But, forget hype and take a good look at it, that's what it is. If you got the money to blow on something like that, good for you. I don't.
is it too late for me to invest in aptera orrrr
Got $50k?
If you are an accredited investor, you can invest through US Capital Group. As mentioned above, $50,000 minimum buy-in at this point. Anything less than that will have to wait for the IPO.
Its never too late to burn money.
I would be afraid to drive something this small when everybody else is driving these giant SUVs and pick up trucks.
Yeah this would come in a distant second vs a cyber truck head on
I want a Rivian R1T but even their new models are to much. If Aptera increase the price to much I will cancel and buy the Maverick which I will probably buy even if I do not cancel my Aptera order.
Get the Maverick hybrid... Over 40mpg
Skido, Flying, Water, Tesla CyberYatch, Tesla CyberHouse,
The car looks like the shoe car from gold member 🤷🏼
Bought chevy silverado ev 450 miles range had model y long range with half the range can't wait for 1000 miles range don't take to long . Time can kill do it now before Tesla makes a real long range . Good luck Aptera I like every thing about you except it's taking to long
I'm starting to get fisker, Nikola and Lordstown vibes from Aptera.
You should see a doctor!
So here's how this is going to go down. Aptera IPOs at let's say $40 a share. You buy in, 3 months later It's at $6. You buy more and double down because fundamentals and to the Moon diamond hands, whatever. 2026 rolls around and they finally release 30 vehicles at almost double the original price. Mkbhd gets a hold of one, he doesn't like it. One month later bankruptcy.
You are now seeing a doctor. Probably a psychiatrist if you can afford it at that time because you lost everything in Aptera. We do have a recent track history with electric vehicle startups that isn't too positive with the exception of rivian and lucid. And only because lucid has Saudi sugar daddies
Relax, Aptera has a far more achievable path to profitability than those other companies.
@@barnabasseadog7660 TBD, I was an early deposit and was excited for the company. But at this point they are starting to make compromises and the price is going up. By the time this vehicle makes it to market in whatever form that may be. It may spec less favorably to the 400 mile plus range vehicles on the market at that time and come in at a higher price while offering half the utility of a five-passenger vehicle. When this vehicle was announced, we were all excited at the potential of a $20,000 to $25,000 commuter. I'm not actively rooting against aptera, just observing the red flags.
I see where you're coming from, but Aptera has been FAR more disciplined in their development spending than any of the above examples. They all spent tens or hundreds of times as much to get to this point.
Production will be where they stand or fall, but at least the vehicle was designed to be as easy to manufacture as possible, and although as currently structured, production will be logistically complex, those logistics will quickly simplify.
It probably won't be Production Hell. More like Production Heck.
If the Chinese cars start coming in before aptera they're gonna be doa
Assuming trump ends all ev subsidies that will even the playing field unless a deal has been made to continue subsidies on Tesla vehicles,maga vehicles.