A Japanese-American Mormon Story - Jeff and Larissa Kindred Pt. 1 | Ep. 1684
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- Join us as we meet Jeff & Larissa Kindred and follow their stories growing up as Latter-day Saints. Jeff's story includes a grooming scoutmaster, his love of sports, attending Snow College, and serving a mission in Jackson, Mississippi where he dealt with scrupulosity around diet & exercise, becoming AP, and wrestling with racism in the Church culture & scripture.
Larissa's story involves her Japanese-American heritage, and gives a brief introduction on the history of anti-Japanese sentiment in Utah, including having been home to a Japanese "Work" Camp in Topaz. Larissa tells of the struggles her grandparents faced assimilating into Utah Culture and dealing with the loss of their own. Larissa also describes racism she experienced growing up in American Fork, UT and Mormon culture's ideals matching white beauty standards.
And this is just the beginning! Jeff and Larissa have a lot of experiences that many current and former Mormons will relate to and experiences that will be new for many to hear.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 Introduction, Intentions
00:05:00 Jeff’s early years & High School in Mormon family
00:23:45 Mission call to Jackson, Mississippi & deep racism in Mormonism
00:46:00 Plusses and minuses of orthodox Mormonism, external validation
00:47:15 Larissa’s Mormon (Huntingtons) and Japanese-American heritage
00:50:00 Anti-Japanese sentiment in U.S., Utah, Topaz (Internment Camps)
01:03:00 Mormon culture is white culture, privilege, invisible identity
01:13:15 Family is baptized, including Larissa’s father, in attempt to assimilate into Mormon community
01:14:00 Dad serves a mission in Sacramento. He is initially not given a lineage in his Patriarchal Blessing but gets later addendum: “Adopted in the house of Abraham”
01:18:00 Larissa’s mother and father get married despite racist grandparents
01:21:00 Larissa’s early years in American Fork, “passing” as “ethnically ambiguous” and microaggressions in school, beauty standards, worthiness, etc.
01:27:45 Larissa’s parents divorce, home “without priesthood”
01:31:15 Larissa’s mother gets help from ward to finish nursing school, welfare food & poverty themes. Mother doubles down on Church & conservative teachings around feminism & sexuality.
01:45:30 Modesty, Larissa’s awareness of her sexuality & weird bishop interviews
01:52:15 More on LDS racism and different “gradations” for races.
01:57:00 Graduates from seminary, gets young women medallion, goes to Weber State, then UVU.
02:02:00 Richard G. Scott speaks at UVU and Larissa decides to refocus her efforts to become active
02:05:00 One of her previous boyfriend’s family members make her feel “trashy” before meeting current husband, Jeff.
02:30:00 Dating, Larissa letting go of mission desires, deciding to get married
02:38:00 Being a performance counselor dancer at EFY, Jeff proposes
02:42:30 Larissa’s Temple experience
02:45:00 First year of marriage was all about Jeff’s medical career. Larissa doesn’t feel she really chose this life.
02:49:00 Visions for their Mormon dream
Episode Show Notes:
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I love Margi… I just do. She’s such a comforting soul for those of us who are coming to terms with our post Mormon lives ❤
Totally! She is a calming steady force.
She's so good. Her aura is so strong and she's so connected with her voice. I love her. An angel and a matriarch in this community and a total baddie on top of it all.
Agreed 👆, she really is the best! Just an incredible person! They seem like they have a great partnership as well
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MARGI IS THE GOAT
I just don’t have words for how grateful I am for the stories shared on this channel. The outlook and the hearing the processes of deconstruction is just so incredible. The difference in perspective and where people end up, I just, thank you to all the participants for your bravery and openness
I absolutely love Margi, she is always actively empathic while asking logically formed questions that have depth. ❤
Margi is so beautiful she glows. She’s also really smart and compassionate. ❤️🙏
That story about your grandparents is like mine. My grandparents came from Sweden at the same time and they wouldn’t speak Swedish to their children and we lost so much heritage too. That time was so sad. I feel we lost so much. It is tragic.
Looking forward to part 2! So, we must have been very good to be getting so much Margi lately ❤️
I can relate to Larissa’s story on so many levels. I am so grateful for stumbling upon this podcast.
Loved this!! Thank you!! Never Mormon here, but I had other orthodox Roman Catholic stuff I've Delta with, so I can relate to a lot of this! I especially relate as a Mexican American female to the ambiguous questions you get with the question "What are you?." I am very light skinned, olive toned and can pass for a lot of ethnicities. People that ask the question often keep digging when they do not like the response "I am American" and they get weirdly annoyed! I just learned through DEI training at work, at 46 yrs old that this is a microagression! Crazy! Thanks again for a great interview!
Grew up down the street from Jeff, so happy to see them out!
YES! Love your ticktock stuff! We found it when we were first deconstructing! Congrats on getting out 🥂
I’m Italian American, my grandparents (grandpa was also WWII vet! ❤️) definitely Americanized their children due to racism as well. My dad is full Italian but stopped speaking at a very young age
Italians were also interned during the war. Did you know that? Or why?
@@lincolnbell8557 Yes because of Musolini. Italy until 1943 where allies of Germany. in 1943 they became allies with us. . Although Im from the Uk and I didnt know you intered Italians, Although I do know the japanese were treated very badly. The british intered all enimie males over the age of 16 including italians and japanese
Margi is just so wonderful. I always look forward to her considered questions and input. She has such great energy ☺️🏵️
Yes!! Agreed!
I can't wait for part 2 bc I simply can't imagine how they fell off the prairie schooner. What the in the heck happened to get these two out of the wonder undies and into the light? And still together! I am literally on the edge of my seat!
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These stories are relatable for all religions.. the doctrine may be different, but the system and its undertones are the same.. ESPECIALLY FOR WOMEN! Thank you for all the work you do John! If there is a god, you are doing His work! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
I relate on a deep level to Larissa's sensitivity and former desire to fit in and be "her best" for others. I was also impressed with how intelligent, thoughtful and eloquent she is. ❤️
As a child, there was a Japanese farmer in West Jordan Utah that many of us kids would harvest onions.
Jeff, your story is so close to my own, I'm not moron, however I was raised catholic, it was my basketball coach....as you told your story my skin just started to crawl...and I also was 11. Thank you for sharing!
Best wishes in life for you and your wife!
Brian
1:00:54 I completely relate to this part of the story. I’m half Filipino and my Filipina mom did not raise speaking Tagalog. I was raised as a purely average American. I love my mom, but I regret for her that she didn’t raise me learning her native tongue. I have a connection with Filipinos by blood, but very distant by culture.
2:18:14 as Larissa was explaining her firefighter test story and how she initially framed it…
I glanced over to Jeff on my screen as she was telling this story. I can see he was having an emotional response to everything she was saying. That tugged at my soul. Through their story as individuals and as husband and wife you hear their emotions, but in each of them (for themselves and for one another) you can see how deeply affected independently and by one another’s they are.
I adore these humans. I do not know them, but I have much adoration for each of them.
Growing up half japanese in the 70's and 80's I understand exactly how she described how she felt about being in but not really.
WOAH!!!! Her grandpa was in the 442nd Infantry Regiment???????? Holy fucking hell!!!! You just can't gloss over that. "GO FOR BROKE! GO FOR BROKE!!!!!! These guys were absolute badasses!!! Daniel Inouye was in the 442nd. There were 21 medals of honor awarded to that team. They received 5 presidential unit citations.....IN ONE MONTH!!! That is is just unheard of. There was no other regiment of its size decorated so highly. Hill 140 - Castellina, the Vosoges campaign Buyeres and Biffountaine and of course "The Lost Batallion." It just can't be said enough how honored a unit these guys are. "GO FOR BROKE!!!!"
There is a Topaz Museum near Delta and it is so well done. It is so emotional to go, but so valuable.
I implore anyone to go to this museum. It’s donation only. To me, we can’t change the past but we can honor the people hurt by Japanese internment by remembering them and learning from them.
Wow that intro was full of all the big topics!!!! I can’t wait to hear all the parts. I already know this is going to help so many people!! Thank you for sharing!!!!!
I’m lovng❤ this interview! I can relate to so many things. I’m excited to hear more! Thanks guys
Her grandfather was a hero, rejected by his country and yet fights for it anyway. Many LDS avoid the military by going on missions.
Going on a mission is not really an option. It is, pretty much, a pressured requirement. So most young men don't go on a mission to avoid the military. Serving in he military is not part of the church's agenda.
That is false. The military is voluntary; you can easily "avoid" it by simply not joining.
Avoiding the military isn't a bad thing tho, many go and have their lives controlled and ruined, while controlling and ruining the lives of others in places we have no business being. Dying for oil. Her granddad is commendable and it was a different time. being in tbe military is commendable, but we must remember the military lacks informed consent as well upon sign up, and then you're stuck in it for years without control over your own life and decisions. Countless military members are abused as a result.
Or join the military to avoid going on a mission. That’s how it is in my family
Hmmmm I work for a company that recruits right out of the military and it's insane how many Mormons we have.
Farewell, to Manzanar was also a wonderful eye-opening book.
We see the influence of Japanese settlers along to entire Pacific Coast from Alaska to Baja. Baja tacos are in fact Japanese fusion with the tempura fish and shredded cabbage. My exhusband and I stumbled upon Manzanar when hiking in the Ownes Valley about 40 years ago. San Francisco has one of the few surviving Japantowns
I have a similar story where my Cherokee side has been suppressed and denied. They walked to Oklahoma on the Trail of Tears. I find that it has impacted my health due to my genetics. I am struggling with this side of my family now and also don't want to be disrespectful to Native Americans. Funny it was a member of this family who became a plural wife in the Packer family and were themselves Pioneers
Also, next to the old RC Willey furniture store in Murray/Milcreek area was a Japanese garden center. Wonderful memories of that place.
I love Margie. You can hear the compassion and understanding in her voice and her comments.
I love hearing couples stories! It’s a big, BIG, hurdle to walk through, overcoming to individualized spiritual reformation, while being in a marriage with someone else - also going through the internal reformation. I AM someone who has turned away from religion altogether. Although I was raised in protestant fundamentalism and my husband catholic. I really just want to hug and cheer on the couples who went through it separately and together. That is the whole part of marriage right, to grow as we go. I know it’s not easy. So please take a moment to pat yourself on the back. Give yourself some grace. Breathe. That amount of self awareness and diligence is extremely hard. Not everyone has the fortitude needed for that deep dive into one’s self.
I highly recommend everyone read the paper "The complexity of identity: who am I?" I think it does a great job at detailing the topics of identity that are touched on in this ep
I remember Loren Dunn coming to our mission and giving us the spill about finding the "blood of Israel." Since we were Spanish missionaries, we had it easy as we were already working with the "Lamanite." LOL!
He really made the rounds w his schtick!
I love Larissa's history. It is so close to what our North American First Nations' people are going through. Our family members had to turn "white" and children removed forcibly by government to residential school both in USA and Canada. Their culture was taken away from them with punishment. Interment camps can be related to residential schools for our First Nations. And the prejudices and discrimination still are happening today. I am not sure how active the missionaries are at the reserves in USA and Canada? I identify as Metis with my mother being Cree First Nation and my dad was Austrian. Not sure how nationalities identify with interracial marriages? Loving your podcasts. Learning so much as a convert Mormon of almost 20 years.
Loved this Mormon Stories Episode!
My one regret in life is that I can never be an ex-Mormon! This show, this couple, really hit home. I'm a white guy born in Arkansas and married to a Malaysian Chinese woman from a Buddhist family. But we're a lot older than Jeff and Larissa and weren't Mormon, not even Christian. We both had converted to the Baha'i Faith before we met each other and interracial marriage is actually encouraged in Baha'i. So we felt really supported and "normal" in our faith community. Baha'is have a beautiful metaphor for the human race, that we are all flowers in God's flower garden where the diversity of color and shape makes the garden more beautiful.
I remember when our daughter first filled out a census form back in the day when there were no boxes for mixed race people. She asked me which box she should check, white or Asian? I actually felt embarrassed that she was put into this position, that the U.S. government was that insensitive and clueless. She was born in 1969 like a lot of famous people. :)
When we were living in Hawaii back in 1969, I met a white lady whose husband, then deceased, was Japanese, and had been put in a "camp" in 1942. She had to write to President Roosevelt to get permission to live in the camp with her husband. She also said that the motivation to put the west coast Japanese in camps was at least partially greed. Many California Japanese owned prime farm land. If they were in camps, then they wouldn't be able to pay their property taxes and that land could be obtained very cheaply. A friend who grew up in Reedley, CA remembers a Japanese family who were taken away to a camp and their neighbors took care of their farm and paid their property taxes until they returned. So there were cases like that which showed how people can do the right thing, can be caring and loyal to those who are oppressed and helpless.
It's also interesting that the Japanese in Hawaii were not put in camps. Maybe because they weren't land owners?
They weren't land owners. They did a great deal of the physical labor. But while Hawaii didn't relocate during the war, it was under martial law.
@@acatnamedm4529 th-cam.com/video/O-lsE_NceEU/w-d-xo.html According to this historian, Roosevelt did issue an order to imprison the Japanese in Hawaii, but there were 158,000 Japanese living there. The military authorities said "yes" they would do it, but dragged the process out long enough that it became clear that the Japanese were not a threat, and the threat of a Japanese invasion of Hawaii went away after the battle of Midway. So my supposition that it was because the Japanese were not land owners had nothing to do with it, and also Hawaii being under marshal law had nothing to do with it. It's amazing what's at our fingertips on the internet.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying the financial motivation of not relocating from Hawaii was that they did a good deal of the pineapple farming for Dole & other physical labor. And being so near the place where the US side of the war started had to be deeply uncomfortable.
Hi Harlan,
Your desire to possess the ex-mormon experience may manifest itself yet... Possibly in a reincarnated life! LOL! Thoughts are evolving energies and have the potential to manifest. I watched a video on scientists measuring light as it randomly passed thru slits in paper. When the scientists took the time to observe the process, the random disorder results were replaced by order, as if the thoughts of the observer had an effect upon the outcome of the experiment. This was their reported finding! Thoughts are actions in embryo, the greater the desire, the greater the probability an event will occur, either positive or negative! LOL! Watch out what you think... What you wish for... where you send your thought energies! Or prepare yourself for an adventure !!!
That was such a great comment about we are all children of God. I had never thought about how that can. be used in such a racist way. Such an interesting discussion. My mother lived in Delta as a child and I often heard her talk of Topaz. Now I live in Idaho and live near Eden, Idaho camp. It is now being restored to help us better understand. Thank you.
WOW ...There it is I couldn't figure out what bothered me about my X husband Family that were still a part of the church..." I better than you "
Just hit the nail on the head ...Crazy because I was thinking in my head that they were not very smart or in my head " no your not" ...
I grew up in a very Catholic Family and we were more of the mind set ...whatever you decided is fine and I maybe not for me but I will support you "! And remember thiese things could go wrong or right for you, but I'm still there for you...
Example...my older brother was a Monk before his last vows he came home and asked my Dad about being in Love with a Woman who was at home making the same decision about her last vows and said Dad what should I do...I want to serve God but I Also want to be with her ...
My Dad said " you don't have to be a Monk to serve God "
My brother married her a year later and married to her and had 2 girls and she passed several years ago from Lupus...
Years later her married another Beautiful woman who they are doing Awesome serving Gpd in their Parish ...
Love to ALL 😍
Margie is just such a sweetheart!
I understand on the culture loss. My grandfather was the first born in the US after his family came here from Germany. He was born in 1900. I was born in 1955, and growing up i would beg him to teach me German. I quickly learned to never bring the subject up. I do know his parents never learned English and the kids did the translating. After he died and i put the history together, it became obvious why the subject of the language and the country were so painful.
Thank you for sharing your stories. And speaking about the racism. Anytime I bring up what my children and family went through in Utah the apologists start in and actives say I'm lying or say I don't care. It needs to change. Denial doesn't make change. Hugs
I have so warmed to Larissa she is educational. We all need to hear her views on race.
Tanforan Horse Racing Track is near San Francisco, and I believe that around 10,000 Japanese Americans were housed in the horse stables for a long time before being relocated to Topaz ?
Loving this episode! They are lovely....first thirty minutes in.
I live in south Louisiana I’m on that proverbial cliff but I ALWAYS tell missionaries sisters or elders to Learn from the ppl you teach
Is part 2 out yet? Thanks.
Yes. All three parts are out.
Where can you watch the “This is America “ documentary. Schessly. What is that?
Can anyone share photos of the restaurants at the Hotel Utah ?
I wonder if that shame from being a “taker” is what caused Larissa from going to church often in her teen years
How difficult it must have been for them, and for them to share their stories!
Jeff! I said the same things at the door in Missouri and had some of the most special experiences, you did as well I bet, we need to double down.
The list is a mile long, we with 1st world problems are too weak. You/I would sing a totally different song if you lived in poverty and raised up to the American Religion Dream for you. Not at too many other or, I'd say any other place would you have had all of the net GOOD. I/We took away all of the people that love you, both of you.
When I had my fist baby my grandma was elderly and blind in a nursing home and my mother said don't say anything about her being black, she's blind. I complied sigh
My sons first girlfriend grandma made her break up with him because she found out he's mixed black. It broke his heart he didn't know what he did wrong.
The comment below about the military makes me want a mormon stories episode that draws parallels between the rigorous schedule, discipline, and lack of informed consent between the military and mormonosm, among other things! God knows the military crosses the cult line in those areas.
I, too, have Oliver Boardman Huntington on my ancestral tree but our ancestors did not take the trek to Utah so we are not a part of the Utah Mormon faith.
Consider yourself lucky for that. Every exmo I know has a viciously angery granddad, great granddad, or great uncle, or great second cousin. Aside from avoiding indoctrination, the generational impact of polygamy and the dark history of Mormons in the west weighs heavily on our present day generations.
The phenomenon Larissa is talking about is something called "3rd culture kids" where they're raised in a culture other than the parents culture. So they don't fit in with (usually) the white kids, but also don't feel like they fit in with their culture. Interesting (and sad) stuff.
Wow I can relate to that! I didn’t know there was a name for it.
Tanforan WAS a racetrack, it’s now a shopping mall, that’s been sold to become office buildings.
Please share the pictures!
When is part 2?
Tomorrow at noon.
I believe that the family name of the West Jordan farm was Okubo ?
Dr Okubo has been one of the most valuable care providers in the type 1 diabetes community.
Is SVU a topic that Mormon Stories may cover?
Where's Part 2 pls
My patriarch also forgot to give me my liniage. I reminded him after the blessing and he gave me a second one right there and then. Also, my blessing is 100% not a transcript of what he said, even though he was using a tape recorder.
I would've loved to hear more from her husband
What’s the difference between a concentration camp / relocation camp ?
I’m of the understanding that “Internment camp” or “relocation camp” is the term that was created to water down what the Japanese concentration camps were after Nazi concentration camps were found.
See en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans , section "which term to use".
Tell us more about SVU!
1:01:00 God she's so right. Not even relating to the war, my Grandmother was a Filipino immigrant. In the 1970's her in-laws told her not to teach her native language to her kids (my mom's generation) because it was going to "confuse them". We were robbed.
I can definitely identify with your point of view and feelings like that, being the eldest brother in a family with two younger brothers born in Taiwan but they actually know the culture less since we moved to Texas when I was 10. But I also feel so strongly that there is nothing wrong whatsoever with "just" being an American and speaking English. It helps us come together as a society, too. A country where everyone is speaking a different language and has a totally different culture they feel pride and attachment to obviously will not last as a country.
Thanks awesome interview? Are you now part of a nurturing community outside of mormonism? Common question is what next? What community can we build/join After leaving the cult?
okay, I need to talk about something and get it off my chest. This video triggered me into a PTSD episode and I am currently angrily processing trauma. My father and step mother sexually abused/assaulted me (CBT) for masturbating when I was growing up in the church. I was even literally caged for it at times because I was "abusing the powers of procreation and acting like an animal." Masturbation was something that made me feel the greatest shame someone could ever feel. I have dealt with that all my life and have come a long way, but when the conversation went to "soaking" and I looked it up (didn't know what it was), I got angry and cried. I don't know how to process this because people in the church can do this without feeling guilt and yet I was literally tortured and treated as sub-human for touching myself? I am not angry at the people that do this, I just think it is such a fucked up culture that is full of people that will treat others like shit when they do something "bad" while being able to justify worse. It isn't fair.
Are the Canadian saints sending millions to SVU or Liberty University?
At about 1:05, Larissa says that when she identifies herself she starts with "I'm Asian." Essentially, I do the same thing. Even though I am white. My mom was a WWII French war bride. She spoke French to my sister and me until my sister went to school, then she switched to English. I lost the French language -- my original language -- and my mom's culture because my dad's Mormon Utah family and America was so hostile to her that she squelched her "Frenchness." I'm not saying that what she went though was comparable to what Larissa's grandparents experienced, but the loss of language and culture was a huge loss to her and to my sisters and me. When I identify myself, I always start with, "My mom was French." Always.
Did you ever try to get your French language back? I have heard it's easier to learn language if you had it as a child
Who are alums from SVU?
😅what a delightful couple!
Wasn’t there several “naughty Mission Presidents” ?
I hope this lady knows that she could have ADHD & it might be why she was “sensitive” as a child. I have it myself & I can spot another from a mile away. It’s not a bad thing either! However, knowing it can make life easier! ❤
Oh geez gosh. I have Cameroon Congo Western Bantu.
No imagination is required. LDS apostle Mark E. Petersen said a lot of horrible things. Here is one of his quotes where he specifically says some horrible things about Asians (i.e. the Chinese and Japanese), "Is there reason then why the type of birth we receive in this life is not a reflection of our worthiness or lack of it in the pre‑existent life? We must accept the justice of God. He is fair to all. With that in mind, we can account in no other way for the birth of some of the children of God in darkest Africa, or in flood‑ridden China, or among the starving hordes of India, while some of the rest of us are born in the United States? We cannot escape the conclusion that because of performance in our pre‑existence some of us are born as Chinese, some as Japanese, some as Indians, some as Negroes, some as Americans, some as Latter‑day Saints. There are rewards and punishments, fully in harmony with His established policy in dealing with sinners and saints, rewarding all according to their deeds."
I would love to hear the apologists spin this sh#tshow of a quote.
What is a latchkey kid ?
A kid who’s parent are at work when they get home from school, they need a key to get into their home
John, you should know that Japanese people did not come to work on the railroads. That is as much earlier and two very different ethnicities.
My ex was18 years older than me (I was born in1947) He grew up in SLC and as a boy he found that Japanese neighbors were gone and their phonograph records were out on the sidewalk. Treasures h was not allowed to keep. My German grandmother had her own stories. People raised in Mormonism really k ow so little
I love this!!! Me and my husband are a racial marriage. I'm from india and he is a pure white farm boy lol
We.
From Mormonism to Critical Theory. It seems that humans are bound by grand narratives and moral community.
One system imposes guilt and forces confession for the biological imperative of masturbation. The other for the immutable traits of skin color.
I don't mean to detract from the important stories of these two individuals. They have something meaningful to offer. I just reflect on my own journey out of Mormonism and my entrance into the moral framework of left-wing ideology (the language of which is overt in many parts of this interview), which seems to be waiting to catch anyone leaving the faith of their upbringing. After I saw behavior in life, and videos of Critical Theory in practice, such as at Evergreen State College, I have since moved away from Leftism. Seriously look into Evergreen if you want to see the deranged behavior that this particular ideology brings out at the community level with the presence of people with malintent.
Where does one go after experiencing the failures of a faith that promised salvation, and an ideology that promised understanding?
I had a very similar experience! Atheist or anti-theist or ex-religious communities are usually just as extreme and dogmatic about whatever they now believe politically or otherwise.
I've always been a fairly nuanced person and that hasn't changed, the problem is that I'm only partially accepted in almost any community because of it.
You get a curse! You get a curse! You get a curse! Utter nonsense!
I just like Larissa!
Me too!
My lineage wasn’t declared (1984) 😂
Unbelievable.
German families did the same thing they would not speak German to their children either
Tanforan.
She reminds me of Demi Moore
I was told I was going to hell for my skin color at age 12
I wonder if there is an annual patriarch conference where they check their notes and make sure they use the same verbiage on their blessings. Lol
Come on John… the church wouldn’t have supported her family if they weren’t active believers (or being actively recruited)… why give them credit for that ? It’s self serving. There’s a reason why they actively preach against welfare … they don’t want members or potential members relying on the state instead of them. They lose leverage.
I mean this as a compliment, Larissa reminds me of Meghan Markle. She's very pretty and very articulate. She has a sparkle about her
Lol did they come to work on the railroad. Come on John.
What she is describing was not only to Asian people it also happened to all other people that came from different places in Europe. My mother only spoke French until she started school and by being shamed they never spoke French to us kids because you had to just be American, holding on to the culture you came from was not looked on kindly at all!!! I do know a lot of people in Louisiana refused to drop their culture completely. I do know even in the Deep South someone that looked like her would have been treated as a white person, she is completely white passing. If she didn’t mention it I’d guarantee no one would know. My question is when you keep getting mixed generation when would a person just be “white” ? We have so many people that claim they have native ancestry but it’s pretty funny that a bunch of them have zero Indian American in their dna. It’s just pretty much a folks tale passed down through many generations of people.
And anyone of Asian descent was slanty eyed dog and cat eaters. Sorry for what I was taught.
Yikes.
I am not sure what is the purpose of this interview. Very weird interview, you blamed many leaders, etc for judging other yet you are judging them! What is the difference, funny huh.? Also all the habits and drive you developed on your mission is probably what got you through medical school, should be grateful for that, funny huh?
The purpose of any of these is to tell their story and experience, to relate to others who may have felt the same way they did. What did you take away from it? Anything that was relatable for you?
Always like hearing these Utah dudes talk about winning the State championship. Back east you can play on a powerhouse Football or basketball team and never sniff the state tournament. It's just a different deal. Much much more difficult
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Interesting. Lifelong LDS and lived in the South 48 years and never saw an instance of racism in the church. Hell I never saw it outside the Church. Blacks and Whites in my part of the South, it's well known, get along better than in most places in America.
I think America is obsessed with race. It’s so sad. Someone’s race should not be their primary identity. If you leave America you will see that Americans are actually the least racist and the most hyper aware of it. It’s pushed down our throats. look at her major. Thats insane. We have become obsessed with victimhood. And I’m a millennial speaking these observations lol
Most of the racism was directed towards the black community, for example, many of my priesthood quorum would go n*gg^t knocking, and other things