Chlorinated Chicken and "Selling" the NHS: Does the UK Want A Deal With America? - TLDR News
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With the UK set to officially leave the EU at the end of the year, many are looking forward to the new deals Britain will be able to strike. Chief amongst them is a deal with the United States. However, some are less keen, concerned about what US rules and standards could do to Britain. In this video, we discuss the deal, why some are worried and how a deal like this could shape the UK and US.
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I've seen mentions that the problem with US chicken isn't the chlorine itself, the problem is the reason why US chicken has to have so much chlorine - namely poor hygiene in US chicken production facilities.
I think as well the problem is that it probably doesn't even work, meaning that the chicken still has whatever diseases they get in American battery farms
Well the free market is a good thing here if we don't buy US chicken they will not import it simple.
yep, I remember how surprised I was the first time i traveled outside the US and all the eggs in stores weren't refrigerated and whole chickens just looked different. They pump livestock here so full off antibiotics and what not in the name of profits it's scary.
@@neilmoulang90 yes, the chlorine only covers up the already existing germs and bacteria in the meat - next pandemic, here we come!
@@killpopers I don't think you really have a good understanding on how this works. The trade-deal may easily for example include a minimum quantity you will have to import from the US, or a clause that stops the UK from purchasing chicken from anywhere else, and because the UK would be in breach of contract if they do, it can get very, very expensive. Your idea of the "free market" may be a bit too simplistic.
"There's never a good deal for someone desperate to strike one"
There simply is a powerdifference.
The if the UK wants a deal, it will need to take the one the US wants.
And what the US wants is predatory capitalism.
Well if a trade deal with Canada is OK. And knowing that Canada has a trade deal with the US, all these concerns are just p!ss!ng in the wind by the Remoaners.
@@fwcolb ah yes Canada is the United States. I remember that from geography
@@pettalkingbrick5287 Imagine if Canada joined the US and had 20 senators and 45 members of the House of Representatives. The United States would become a different country.
@@fwcolb whats wrong with you?
@@pettalkingbrick5287 My siblings asked this question: What is wrong with Fred? Or just rolled their eyes. I started teaching myself to read at age 4. Now at age 90, I can still remember my first day in school, thinking, "At last, this is where I want to be." By age 15 I had read 500+ books. The thing is that is wrong with me might explain why I have been employed in 15+ countries by multinational organizations/companies and national governments for the last 50 years. As a principal scientist for the British government in 1970, my protocol rank was colonel. I have worked in physical science, engineering and technology, IT, economics, finance and social science.
I wrote my first programs for mainframe computers in 1964. Read the manuals one weekend and began systems analysis and programming the following week. I bought my first microcomputers in 1984 and my first PC in 1986.
I still work a few weeks per year but not enough to keep busy, which is why I can take the time to comment on TH-cam. I used to spend a lot of time in my workshop but have become too old for that.
You seem to believe that thinking differently from others means there is something wrong and mostly that is correct. It's easy to let your mind get you involved in antisocial or unlawful behaviour. But I have managed to stay out of prison and mental institutions, have married once, and am still married to the same woman for 40+ years, and have earned my living without becoming an organization man.
Consulting is like doing gigs. You sign a contract and you do a job, with a guitar or a laptop or a pipe-wrench..
Except if you use a laptop to make a living, you have to stay off drugs and alcohol because either or both will fry your brain.
So basically the biggest difference between EU and US regarding food product regulations is:
EU: You can't sell food unless you prove the ingredients are safe.
US: You can sell food with any ingridients unless someone proves it's not safe.
Is there any requirement to try to prove ingredient safety or can I just invent a new poison and sell it to people?
Then there is self regulation in US meat factories where USDA inspectors are not allowed to enter, and it is up to the factory owners to provide certification.
Meets the basic philosophies of both regions.
EU: Protect people.
US: Protect industry.
@@0xCAFEF00D I bet there still are some laws to demand testing by the corporations themselves. And of course corporations will be found guilty in court and pay if they are found to have intentionally poisoned people.
& that is called freedom, lovely is it not.
... and suddenly the EU, where the UK could heavily influence the rules, doesn't look so bad anymore.
Why? You do know we can say no too any deal right. That can't be said for the EU as they negotiate deals on behalf of all 27 members states.
@Josh Bentley Besides China, they are the only two that really matter for the UK.
EU: about 49% of total trade
US: about 15%
China: about 5-6%
Switzerland: 2.5%
Japan: 2.2%
Norway 2.1%
and all other countries are below and well below 2% of total trade.
But maybe CANZUK (currently combined 2,8% of UK's total trade) is willing to feed a sick welfare-queen...
Or maybe the Empire takes back control of British India (combined about 1.7% of total trade)....
Except the Uk needs a deal or they pretty much miss out so much trade due to tariffs that the EU has with every other state.
Your prices for goods that produced in the EU will go up and also prices on on stuff from the UK will go up. It will hurt both side cause it will hurt sales, but given the UK loses the whole of the EU while the EU only loses one state, you can tell whos in trouble. Also as people pointed out, you just dont know how the EU worked at all.
Especially as the UK always had a "special position" with benefits others didnt have. I telly ou that much, the UK hurt itself with this, very badly, there will either be a unfavorable trade deal or a serious financial and social problem coming for it.
Thats also why Scottish Independence or the fact of a troublesome future of Northern Ireland both are very real things that could happen.
@Josh Bentley I did not say, India is a bad trading partner.
But it is insignificant, compared to the EU or the US.
And it will stay largely insignificant. How do I know this? Just look at how small the Chinese trade is (5%). That's one tenth (10%) of the trade with the EU. And the trade with China is well established.
The Indian trade on the other hand needs to be developed. That takes years to accomplish and the result will be similar to that of China. High volume, but dead cheap, still means little money.
The trade with India might rise to 5% in 5 to 10 years. But the UK will lose a much bigger sized chunk of the European trade through tariffs and increased bureaucracy.
@Josh Bentley Ehm what the hell you talking about? First off germany doesnt rely on the UK. Germany relies on france and italy way more then it ever die on the UK, but german industry is preparing for a no deal longtime scenario. Also a trade deal is only with migration policy among others. You only get a deal like most countrys including tariffs. Thats simply the same with every country. If you want to be part of EU ecenomic zone in the way as before you have accept the same rules and laws as the EU. It would be like before brexit just that UK has no ability to influence. Same as why the UK and US deal is so hard. Also to your information, japan and EU made a deal, so your comment is more unlikely given the Options. India has just a minor role in ecenomics in us, yes. UK needs EU far more then the EU needs the UK. As obvious by the pure geography. UK as any island nation has a harder stand there.
Anyway, you can ignore it all you want, but you cannot deny the immense shrinking of the financial sector in UK, after all most important one pre-brexit. As well as thr fact that every UK media, science and etc warns that it will be harder times for UK. EU denied the US deal, wich was way more important, it will deny the UK deal, if the UK not plays along the Rules everyone has to. For more informations. There are videos about this topic on this channel, would watch it if you wanna know how it be.
The worst bit is that the US have decreed that we, the UK public, will not be allowed to see the details of the deal for years *after* it's been signed, so we've no way of even knowing what's in it until the damage has been done.
Another tosh tosh, naive. How could you sign an agreement you have not seen the agreement??
@@adiadindas The government will have seen the trade deal obviously, look closer at the comment. The restriction was towards the public, aka having the details of the deal be confidential from public for a while so that in effect said public would have to piece things together from changes of affected parties IF those parties were actually willing to talk to the public.
You're government is a bunch of FOOLS if they deal with this administration. You're going to be labled as sympathizers.
@@Exiled.New.Yorker I don't think they need to do this to be seen as fools.
spoiler alert in next season uk will be sold to states
Either way the UK standards across the board outside the EU is set to diminish drastically. UK is near enough a vassal state of the US but the trade deal will put them firmly in the US pocket.
How are we "vassals" of the US? I'm very curious.
Sadly I agree with you.
I agree, when I see how they threat Canada.
@@luxembourger How they treat Canada?? Well, Do they ask Canada to pay £39 bil, do they ask Canada an annual contribution to subsidize poor countries? Do they plunder the Canada fishing water. Do they ask the US court to have jurisdiction in Canada??
And before the UK diminish the EU has already gone .....
I think it would be great for the UK to be part of a big group of countries who had the clout to negotiate the best trade deal.
A union of some sort?
@@somethinglikethat2176 A union like the EU?
You know, I think that could work!
No, I trade union, not a political union.
@@volkris come back in europe like a real member liders on europe like france and germany ,uk idiot usa will eat you all your resourcers ,usa is a giants , idiot chris carlik
Even if we agree a deal with US, US can scrap it at any moment and demand better terms.
It was the first thing Trump did once he became a president - leaving the trade agreements with Mexico and a Canada (NAFTA)
Yeah they're well known for strong man tactics. They don't recognize the ICJ so there's no recourse.
Yh I remember this it really pissed off Mexico and Canada
Let us also not forget that the individual states in the USA are not bound by these deals and so can impose there own restrictions and tariffs.
@@rag2031 Not enough that either one of them bucked though. They both nicely signed the new one. Although I think Canada is thinking of making a break for it, yall should do a deal with Trudeau, it'd do you both good.
@@SurmaSampo That's not true at all. States are explicitly, constitutionally, prevented from making their own trade policy. In fact, that sort of thing is one of the reasons the United States exists in the first place: The previous government that allowed that sort of thing proved unworkable.
Free trade deal with Colombia. Get that coke with less tariffs
Coke Zero for me...
Coke 100 % pure for Michael Gove.
When all those farmers lose their life's work, will they still believe it was worth it, to keep out Polish workers?
yes. they'll think they still can bring in some romanian seasonal workhorses.
Every person should have a living wage if they work for any employer. Why should the worker subsidies the rich. My sister in law used to work on a strawberry farm in Kent when there were no Europeans working seasonal work there.
US food safety standards are so terible I really hope we don't let any of their food here, I don't want any UK safety standards going down due to US influence
You don't have to buy it you know....
@@SquirrelKnight50 You do if it's the only thing available, which will eventually happen if we don't stick by our regulations.
Yet they make much better food, go figure.
@@SquirrelKnight50 I mean the US wants no labeling of the country of origin so you might not have a choice
@@diesel92kj1 they do? Last time I was there the food was okay but not quality by any stretch of the imagination
If they sell the NHS we should probably have a revolution, same goes for the chicken too lol.
B1209Y Why have a revolution if the UK sells chicken to US?
@@davidroddini1512 oh, I guess I phrased it dodgily.
If the chicken starts to revolt, I'll be terrified. haha
If only trade disputes could be ruled on by people who weren't likely to decide in favor of industry. If, for example, the countries of Europe got together, and nominated their most distinguished judges to form a sort of 'European Court of Justice'. Oh well, that's probably a utopian dream.
Yes, judges are the most impartial of people HAHAHAHA
@@pedanticchicken2117 judges, impartial or not is still better than populist politicians
Strofi Kornego i like populism so i whole heartily disagree
@@pedanticchicken2117 populism is biased, it just widens the gap between rich and poor. And the funny thing is poor beggars like you think they actually care about your well being.
A judge by definition is impartial, hence he does not care about you or me, but cares for both of us to have equal chances and have respect for each other, a populist leader worst nightmare
Adrian Filimon “A judge by definition is impartial” yea in theory they are. No judge is impartial. Populism isnt about the rich vs poor its about the elite vs the people. You dont even understand populism so why should I or any populist listen to you when dont know the fundamental cause of a populist movement. Who cares if Trump is rich, he’s still a populist who is fighting the liberal elite
Here a little list I compiled about Food and Chemicals allowed according to US Food Standards one even for chicken again. They are all largly banned in the EU except the last one. Some if not all are possible to come into UK supermarkets in case of a US-UK Free Trade Deal.
*Artificial Dyes* e.g. Yellow 5, Yellow 6, Synthetic Astaxanthin (Red)
Used for: Enhanced Coloring of food products which makes them look better and therefore sell better and to cover up production problems.
Risks: Hyperactivity, Behaviour-Problem on Childrens, Allergy-Risks, Cancer-Risks
Found in: M&M (not in EU), Noodles, Cheese, Cereals, Candy, everywhere basically
Banned: EU, Australia, New Zealand
Allowed: US
Remarks: For Europe dyes from natural sources are used instead. The use of food coloring has increased by 500% over the last 50 years.
*Growth Hormones* (e.g. rBGH)
Synthetic Growth Hormone to make cows grow bigger and faster.
Found in: Milk, Dairy Products.
Banned: EU, Switzerland, Japan, NZ, Australia
Allowed: US
Risks: Cancer Risks, High Levels of Thyroid Hormone Enzymes, Cardivaskular Risks (Heart), Brest Cancer, Colon Cancer, Prostate Cancer
Remark: Use of rBGH also lead to use of Anti-Biotics on Cows.
*Meat with Organic Arsenic*
Used for: Pultry to bursting blood Vessels to make flesh looking more pink.
Risks: Environmental Damage as Arsenic is slightly toxic. Cancer-Risks, Chromosome-Damage
*GMO Foods* (Genetically Modified Foods)
Risks: Food allergies, various effects often yet fully unknown because of high complexity. Environmental impact on biodiversity, Wild Plants, Animals, Insects with hard to contain long-term wide-spread effects.
*Bromated Flour* (Potassium Bromate)
Found in: Baked Goods (84% in the US) to make them look better and the dough more elastic.
Banned: EU, CA, Brazil, South Korea, China
Risks: Slightly Toxic to humans, Headaches, Skin raches, Digestive Issues, Cancer-Risk
*Brominated Vegetive Oil (BVO)*
Corn/Soy Bean oil mixed with Bromine which is Toxic. Emulsifier, helps to keep contents mixed in complex drinks prevents flocculation.
Found in: Sports Drinks (10% in the US), Fanta Orange, Gatorade and others
Banned: EU, Japan
Influences Body Chemistry create defincy for Iodine, Breast Cancer, Thyroid Gland, Ovary and Prostate Cancer, Accumulates in Central Nervous System and Breastmilk
*Fat Substitues* e.g. Olestra
Found in: Fat-Free potate chips, snacks, used in so call Fat-Free or Calorie-Free foods.
Risks: Prevents the body from absorbing essential vitamins, Cramps, Gas Loose Bowels
Banned: Canada, EU
Remark: FDA even removed labeling restrictions on it in the USA.
For comparison ...
Kinder Eggs
Risks: Children might choke on the inner plastic egg.
Banned: US
Allowed: Everywhere else
Yep. A right to bear arms in churches and bars, no universal healthcare, and yet Kinder Eggs are identified as a danger to children.
True, there is a possible danger. However, in real life I know of one person who died from chocking on something small: an adult who choked on a Haribo gummy bear.
Very thorough list by the way.
Why tf doesnt youtube let me save comments, this one is a must have
@@crixel7 Copy and paste it into a document.
I think I now understand why there are so many whole foods mums/Karen’s in the US. I would be scared as well.
I hope this deal won't go through
The way I look at it is that trade deals make countries more similar to each other. Right now who do you want to be more similar to, the USA or Germany?
USA, easily. I'll pick inept corporatists over effective Bureaucrats any day of the week. Good god, I'm shocked it's even a question for people.
Horrendous idea to even contemplate, Britain will be the 51st state with all the problems we currently see daily in America.
No I don't think that's sufficient. It's going to be an unequal relationship between the UK and the EU/US. There's no question about that. How will either of them treat the UK?
And there's lighter trade deals that don't really imply much regulatory convergence. It's just that politicians are using the word 'comprehensive' all the time. So that won't happen before a no-deal.
I don't see how you'd prefer chaotic evil versus lawful evil, take an enemy you can predict over one you cannot understand
@@Bushflare happy dying at the next pandemic - or do you really think you'll be anywhere close to the front of receiving medical supplies in the UK,if you flogged your health system to the US? It seems you guys are in a large majority stunningly naive when it comes to international trading and affairs. This will not end well for you is my guess.
You kinda left out the part where the US wants the trade deal negotiations kept secret and you can't complain about what you don't even know about.
For an expected meager 0,16% GDP growth this tradedeal brings the drawbacks aren't worth it at all. Yet the Tories will still do it so they can spin it as a win.
As you say the expected growth is tiny, and yet this is the best deal on offer aside from one with the EU which would be a lot bigger.
They argue about fish, which gives 0.1% of gdp and destroying 56% trade with EU
@@yannikoloff7659 the most important factor for brexit was migration. Which in itself is stupid.
For those who keep insisting "just don't buy it" remember:
1) you won't necessarily know. Always going to check the "kids chicken nuggets" for country of origin, or meaty snacks? And what about the sandwich in your canteen or the burger van at the fair? And let's be honest, you're probably the type of person who would be outraged if you found out the NHS or state schools weren't using the cheapest suppliers possible ;-)
2) They will make sure you won't know. The US is very anti-label (and have been almost since the dawn of its modern food industry); you think they'll spend millions on lobbying during the trade talks to be thwarted by a "raised in the UK" sticker? By the time they're done, "British" will mean everything from a cow raised on the lawn of Buckingham palace to someone with a Estuary accent touched it between the shipping container and the shop
3) Most won't have a choice and neither will UK farmers. Due to terrible hygiene and welfare standards, US meat is cheaper. There are millions of people in poverty and 100s of thousands regularly relying on food banks. They will buy the cheapest option, and UK farmers cannot rely on Waitrose sales alone. The race to the bottom inherently means that food of a much lower standard than we have now will end up being the norm. And as point 1) I'm sure those making the "I'm too clever to buy it" argument would be outraged if people on benefits weren't willing to accept the cheapest possible protein.
Much of your argument relies on the fact that many people are willing to lower their standards for cheaper meat. If this is the markets preference then it is simply the vision of the anointed to say it should not be the case. There will still be a niche for clean chicken just as their is for free range chicken today. Any change in this industry would be the action of thousands of individuals making a choice which better suits them. Why stand in the way of that?
And how does that stop me as a consumer from just checking the label? After all if it gets imported to a supermarket the UK laws are clear:
- The food is labelled, advertised and presented in a way that is not false or misleading under the Food Safety Act. Even if it was argued that Americans don't label the food: the supermarkets would be required to label the food as such to comply with such laws otherwise they would be breaking the law when selling it. Either you're pedaling false information or you're a conspiracy theorist. No law is getting pushed to circumvent this so until then I'll still see british food labelled.
@@W0lfbaneShikaisc00l Or, as part of the trade agreement, UK law will be changed to remove the origin label requirement.
The Tories have already proven they don't give a single fuck about public health, only what makes them money, so a little thing like loosening standards won't give them a moment's pause.
it will be hard for uk to sell meat to eu. who will believe their claims about its origin when they were selling horsemeat as minced beef?
@@W0lfbaneShikaisc00l i've seen british horse meat labeled as british minced beef. was that a theory too?
I usually like your videos, but you have completely missed the point re. Chlorinated Chicken. The reason this is a problem is that in the UK our farmers have laws to protect animal welfare. The USA does not have such stringent laws and therefore their welfare is worse, meaning the birds are less healthy and therefore need to have more cleaning during processing to make sure that they not harmful to people who eat chicken. The use of antibiotics for animals is also much more liberal in the USA than the UK (which is a big problem brewing for humans). Therefore UK farmers have a higher production cost than USA farmers and will be unable to compete on price as we do not have the option to reduce animal welfare and increase antibiotic use (even if we wanted to!). Could you please put out an updated version of this video as it is misleading, the issue is about a level playing field for trading not chlorinated chicken.
Although I agree with you - how much power do you really think the UK has in these trade negotiations? I think it now might not take too long until quite a few people in the UK realise how utterly delusional they were.
The antibiotics is a very topical issue. Swine flu had been in US pig farms for many years. They had already tried to develop a vaccine for it before it made the leap to humans. People don't refer to the old flus of the world enough. America flu did kill a lot of people with milder spread.
Also of note: chlorinating a chicken will mean that you can't detect diseases or pathogens in lab test, but most are only temporarily 'deactivated', as the chlorination doesn't remove them. Meaning that unless you are really thorough with your cooking, the possibility of getting food poisoning is infinitely higher than with EU chicken.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j pandemic... not affected by antibiotics... WHERE HAVE I HEARD IT... I REALLY CANT REMEMBER... SOMETHING ABOUT CHINA MAYBE?..... HMMM
EU deal >>>>>>>>> US deal
Keep on remoaning...
@@SquirrelKnight50 i'm not british nor do i live in the UK. I'm not a remainer, I get why brexit happened and do believe there are some benefits not being in the eu for the UK but strongly believe that a good deal with the EU needs to happen
TTIP failed for a reason. And one thing is for sure, the US will only agree to a deal that is massively in their favor. good luck.
If you voted for brexit you should have knowed that the UK would make this trade deal with the US
usa is boss over pacifics trades uk is idiot to believe they are styll british empires beyond usa , thereis usa giants over pacifics the gibraltars rock, the pillars of hercules
Brexit has been used as a mandate to do whatever the government wants to do. A single minded piece of policy that answers no complicated questions.
@@dropit7694 and the uk people bought it.
For some reason, Jack's narration is really calming for me. It helps, especially in this Jumanji game of a year.
.. except for those awful glottal stops....Aaagh!!
So the UK brexits in order to make their own policy decisions, but then has a trade agreement with the US/Australia that results in them NOT being able to make their own policy decisions for fear of being sued by MNCs...did anyone think about the logic in that? :O
I have been trying for years to explain the difference between legal sovereignty and effective sovereignty. The UK is giving away effective sovereignty as it is much weaker now after Brexit. Trump just showed that with Huawei.
@@stephenconway2468 you uk cannot by the master of sea trades pacifics becouse is usa , you want to by your master in busines but there is only one boss in pacifics usa trades , uk must come back in europe like liders not members liders likefrance and germany what uk brexitears wnts moore than that, with that hooligans traitors of uk to make brexsheeat the farraages ,,farrages is live in usa , not in uk
I could maybe get on-board with Brexit, if it wasn't built around a UK-US trade deal. I despise the very notion of it.
What’s wrong with it other than their politics obviously?
@Caramel Cupcake so what are you going to do? You can't even feed your population independently, and the times when you could sail around the world and get the Commonwealth to pay for your existence are well and truly gone. I somehow suspect a lot of people will have true buyers remorse regarding Brexit.
Caramel Cupcake except the EU was never really an overlord. The US would be here
@Sabine Hahn actually it cost us to run the empire it’s why we were so broke after ww1 and 2 so I don’t know where you get this idea of the empire paying for us. The main reason we didn’t get rid of the empire was because it made far stronger than being alone.
@@ollysj5659 and what would you want to be stronger for? Killing people by the hundreds of thousands? No, you want to be stronger to make better deals, to improve life for your people with better trades. That's pretty much politics 101.
However - it's history.
Why does the idea of getting in bed with one of the most litigious countries in the world send shivers down my spine?
It sounds like heaven, I just want free movement between the UK & US & I will never set foot back in the UK.
You can't buy NHS shares. It isn't a business. How can shares that doesn't exist be sold to the US? Trump has made it clear that the NHS isn't on the table as has Boris. Given that huge restructuring and effort would be required to put it on the table (including passing of bills, requiring parliamentary voting and Royal ascent), how is this view tenable?
Because Boris and Trump have consistently been proven to be massive liars, and leaked negotiations discussed the NHS being up for sale.
@@TH-cam2021FM OK.. Let's just say that was the case (which I think is dubious). How is Boris going to get enough political support in the Commons and the Lords to restructure the NHS into a Plc or Ltd so it can be sold? If this was going to be the basis of a UK-US trade deal these bills would have to be voted on now.
It's Brilliant !
If you want to destroy the last Scottish Tory support.
Whenever I hear Brexit news and someone mentions Scotland, my brain starts playing the song "Rebellion" by Grave Digger... I wonder why...
If Britain is smart you’ll walk the other way from this deal.
The first things US companies will go after? The NHS, then our 6 weeks paid holiday.
Paid leaves are a labour issue, not a trade one.
Erkin Alp Güney You do not see how these two things are linked? Trade deals have a trickledown effect, on the entirety of a society. A trade deal will give the US government, even more power over the UK. The US government is effectively controlled by corporations through lobbying.
I doubt it needs a US trade deal to lower worker rights in the UK...
These things are meant by "level playing field" ... What do you think why Johnson & Crew don't want that?
They want to deregulate the shit out of the UK.
@@Markus-zb5zd in usa ,,hospitals one imigrants with no insurance medical healcares is pay for one pills 500 dollars 6 years ago one romanians guy who escaped from fires one child hispanics lonely on home ,,the smok of fires is enters his in eyes , and for one pills in hospitals 500 dollars with one glas plastics water
UK shouldn't have left EU, unlike US that only cares about money, EU puts safety as higher priority than money.
Edit: UK can enjoy their 3 times increase to medical bills along with insurance companies that don't really cover anything. Why would you leave EU?
How right you were and still are✋✌
Rules ? You mean the U.K. have to follow other people’s rules on trade ? How will this work when the EU Deal was rejected because of the same rules ?
So.... The UK must follow other countries' rules in trade, but not the other way around? I sometimes wonder if people have forgotten what negotiation and compromise are...
Because when they have a trade deal with the US, they can spin it as a victory for British sovereignty, they couldn't have done it with a EU trade deal as the EU are the "evil oppressors" they want to free themselves of.
@@LordBilliam There must always be compromise, but the weaker of the two has less room for demands.
Right now I think the less we have to do with America the better. That place is an even bigger disaster than the UK, and that’s really saying something.
Sceptics have a spot on point! I'm a dual national with US - UK and I know that a trade deal will spell disaster for the UK. especially under the current US administration who is open about his nationalist agenda.
Selling the NHS isn't particularly literal, it's the idea that the government will simply stop funding various functions that the NHS performs, and instead invite private companies to offer them at cost, perhaps then going full circle with the NHS then sending patients to these private clinics. Those private companies often just so happen to offer donations to the individuals or party in power, who can then use that power to grant the companies state money. We have already seen plenty of that happening, with the function stripping of the NHS to no longer provide dentistry or many prescriptions, with private companies like Boots and Superdrug popping up to offer those services at a fee.
My country finally appeared. Hopefully that means that eventually we'll get a pin badge.
The NHS was privatised decades ago with the internal market reforms. So theres nothing to sell. They don't even have a singular purchasing authority anymore.
The internal market reforms were implemented specifically to allow US healthcare companies to get into healthcare in the UK, but they pulled out due to insufficient profit.
Many countries have chlorine washed salads and also if you're against the chlorinated chickens aren't you against China as they do fur farming and wet food markets????
EU has no trade deal with China because China also has very low food standards - yes.
@@strofikornego9408 Would you support a UK-PRC deal?
@@shanjanusman9974 no
The UK has always been the 51st State (or number of US states at any given time + 1). The EU, however bad it seemed, isolated the UK from the worst excesses of American Trade policy. While at the same time the UK, by the grace of its veto powers, had pretty good leverage within the Union to actively shape rules and regulations.
Boris did not lay in front of a bulldozer to prevent the expansion of Heathrow. The UK did not save 300 Million Pounds a week, to go to the NHS. And Boris will will certainly not protect the UK's interests in the negotiations with the US... Not necessarily because he doesn't care or want to, he just can't... plain and simple.
The reason why, the US was so eager to quickly strike a deal, was to make sure, that the UK is isolated and weak, with nothing to offer, no weight to resist. And once the deal is done, the UK will have a hard time getting good deals with other countries, because the US will make sure, that none of these deals will hurt US corporations' interests. And for those who dream about CANZUK, dream on... because it will never become reality, at least not in the way the island dreams.
Not while in the EU. The UK will become a client state after leaving though.
"Shares in the NHS"....are you deluded?
They're not privately owned now. The point is that they may be eventually. The US does have publicly companies but they're very rare.
@@0xCAFEF00D US is a public company :D
@@0xCAFEF00D It baffles me that even though they have said many times, on both sides, that they will leave NHS alone this is still mentioned! I'd rather have it partially privatized anyway (or at least have some fees), because then maybe they can increase the quality and create some competition with the private sector of healthcare, driving their prices down and making it more affordable with more options for everyone; additionally, they can have exemptions for the very poor so they won't be left behind. The system in the UK is very imbalanced in a way that you effectively have no option with private healthcare prices. The competition doesn't exist which makes waiting times, quality of care, and prices far worse than it should be. This creates a binary choice between ridiculous waiting times and ridiculous prices.
@@UndisputedGH05T Look at US health care. Fully in the hands of a few insurance companies. Look what an average American needs to pay to get basic health care. The ultimate privatisation...
@@vullings1968 uk enjoy your brexsheet made by farrages dumb who live in usa not in uk,welcome in usa pockets trades
I understand why Britain wanted to leave the EU they had one foot in & one foot out from the beginning but a proper trade deal with the EU is necessary
Mmmmm, Chicken !!
You Brits will often join in the well-warranted mocking of the US healthcare system, but most of you really don't understand how bad it is. In the coming months and years, you may hear about American 'non-profit' and 'University' health systems trying to 'partner' with the NHS. You may think, well, that doesn't sound so bad. DON'T BELIEVE IT! Non-profit does *not* mean run in the public interest, nor are non-profit organizations forbidden from owning for-profit subsidiaries.
a non-profit company does not exist.
*Stop clapping for the NHS and start Voting Labour!!* If you care about the NHS so much vote for a party that will fund it, not sell it off
Don’t vote for labour you blockheads , they’re the social justice warrior party ! . Vote Lib Dem instead
it’s not like most NHS privatization was done under Tony Blair a Labour PM oh wait
Harry-Matakios lmao they have no chance of winning. If you actually want a party in power vote labour
@@alcarbo8613 I'm not saying every Labour leader was good, I'm saying they'll properly fund the NHS
@@harry-matakios1344 I'd love to vote Green tbh, but in the current climate it'd just be a wasted vote
EU exists to protect member countries from bad trade deals because it ensures that the standards that are the strictest within the member countries, will be the EU standards for all countries. Thus no chlorinated chicken etc.
Why no possible upside explanations, this is a half glass empty channel. There are surely some positives.
I don't think there are any positives they couldn't get from trading with, let's say, Canada or maybe the EU
Thyrus Sendria Canada wouldn’t work America’s the only country in the World that has all the Goods the UK was previously getting from the E.U
You get to trade goods and services with the US. That's an upside. And the predicted gdp rise is also an upside.
The reason it seems so lopsided is because it is. The US is much bigger in all ways. Bigger consumer market. Bigger industry. Less standards. They will push the UK in the direction TLDR describes. This isn't the US fault really. How can you expect politicians to actively throw away opportunities just because they want to seem friendly? Would you vote for them? Maybe you want to say yes. But that's not how it goes in the relatively nationalistic US.
You'll see the same with the EU. Except they're closer to the UK status quo because there's been regulatory alignment for a long time now. You won't see the EU pressuring you to sell the NHS. Or accept food that doesn't even fit their standards.
Jack Forshaw CANZUK is an incredibly Stupid Idea all the countries interests are too far apart for it to actually work unless the US where to join ironically
The NHS bit is rather misleading. The danger isn’t that the NHS gets sold off, more that it is opened up for US companies to act as service providers to the NHS - what is often referred to as ‘privatisation by stealth’.
I've been following your stuff nearly from the beginning, and always liked the idea of (truly) independent news, delivered by a small news outlet, and had been thinking about supporting you on Patreon. But I have always struggled with the execution. There have always been errors in the graphics, mostly in the form of misspellings (albeit minor ones, but they have occurred quite regularly). In the beginning I didn't really mind that much, because the project was still young, and you did most, if not all of it yourself, Jack. But over time not only the team grew, but also the experience. And with growing experience (and a team), misspellings and other not only graphic errors should be decreasing.
Sadly, this is not the experience I have with your content. Especially misspellings still occur, and on a quite regular basis. In this video, admittedly, there was none. But - and I would weigh that even more - you mispronounced a word … several times (all of them) … that was even spelled correctly in the graphics (all the time). So, you guys know the correct spelling of the word, but not the correct pronunciation. I am speaking of the word "arbitrator", which is not pronounced "arbitor".* So, I now finally had to unsubscribe from your main channel. I already had unsubscribed from the US one, but only because of lack of interest. I am still subscribed to the EU one. I only joined Patreon three months ago (I am very considerate and less impulsive), and was not enough convinced of, confident in your work to finally support you there. I'm sorry.
You've been going for three years now, guys (congratulations by the way). You can do better!
* Admittedly, I am not a native English speaker, but I am quite fluent in it, fairly close to native. As I am aware that i don't know everything correctly, I looked it up, with audio output.
Yes, it is unprofessional to misspell on a regular basis, and to have graphics errors; you’re free to sub to whoever you like. But they’re still human, and it seems a little unreasonable to blacklist the team’s whole news output because of minor visual mistakes. (And the errors likely aren’t as prevalent as you think either, due to confirmation bias)
We’ve heard a lot about the down sides of this trade deal in the media. We’ve also heard a lot about what the US wants on their side of the deal (tariff free, low regulatory access to the U.K. market for their substandard food products and cars). What is it that we supposedly want? What exactly is wrong with the current deal that we want to change?
Nobody seems to be asking what the benefits are of this deal, and UK gov hasn’t been forthcoming in telling us. I’m open minded about this, since I’m normally in favour of liberalisation, but it’s hard to be optimistic, since no one seems to be able to offer even a theoretical advantage of this, only downsides.
finally a sane comment within this clusterf***, most people that comment on page just clearly hasn't even give any thought about what they are spewing, most of it is at best, ill informed and at worst out right lies, the practice of using chlorine to clean chicken.... you have been in the swimming pool? cos that has chlorine in it, eaten lettuce and cabbage, that goes through the EXACT SAME process as the dreaded "chlorinated chicken" and has been label safe by none other than the EU European Food Safety Authority.
i see this potential trade deal is a positive light in reducing tariffs as that always negativity affect local industry as it increases bureaucracy (increase in cost and time for processing and transport of goods) and apply a inflationary price similar to the god awful VAT taxes
joke is that if you remove that VAT tax completely you will see a massive economic boom just shy of the roaring 20s in a america, the cost of living and businesses will be plummeting(make it cheaper to buy and run your business) to a point where more people will be off of benefit and become net contributors to the system in terms of taxes and the deficit will decreased massively
If we get chlorinated chicken the great thing is... You don't have to eat it.
Also the EU food safety doesn't work as they allow lots of additives which aren't safe such as nitrates and sulfites just to name 2 which cause respiratory issues and possible cancer ralated diseases!
You forgot a tiny little detail. US demand there must be no labelling required to distinguish chlorinated chicken from non-chlorinating.
So, you have no right to decide.
It's not a binary 'safe' vs not safe. There is a sliding scale of how many safety regulations are imposed. EU chicken isn't 100% safe, nothing is, but it's certainly safer than the chlorinated version.
The thing is poor people living now on UBI or on food banks, are not going to be able to chose between LIDL and Morrisons, are going to choose what keep their bellies full.
And it's not even about chlorinated chicken, it's about how much volume and margin costs work for US farmers against UK farmers, the subsidises and monopolies in the food market.
There is literally nothing wrong with washing chicken in chlorine water that is about 20% more concentrated than swimming pool water. We already wash all of our salad, fruit and veg in similar chlorinated water.
75% of raw chicken products in the uk have deadly salmonella and campylobacter bacteria on them. This causes thousands of deaths every year. We need better food hygiene. We should chlorinate our chicken.
@@inquaanate2393 you don't even know what you are talking about.
Thay didn't want our tea we don't want there chicken🤪
I have to say, I'm much more concerned about a UK-China trade deal. China sees the UK as the soft under-belly of Europe. In addition, China would love to avenge the Opium Wars.
Basically trade deals is finding the smalest common denominator. And the USA has a *very* small demoninator.
Food safety? Workers Rights? Sue happy companies?
Those are all things where a trade deal would apply the US rules onto the partner.
i think "privatisation of the NHS" normally refers to the fact that most of it in England is run by subcontractors like VirginCare with an NHS logo slapped on the top; and that, by comparison with the USA, the NHS is a monopoly that would legally have to be broken up.
Battery farm in the UK are not very pleasant to clear out and the birds are all ways kept badly. The reason why I never eat chicken. Also it was only 2018 that it was made illegal by the EU. Still not in acted in the UK. People chicken never been good and never will be.
This was always a logical next step to brexit but was rarely considered in British politics from what I know. If the ballot had read Remain or Join Team USA I'm confident the outcome would have been different.
I don't get the complaints people have about bias. Get specific. If you just call out bias it probably just means you disagree with the tone. But there's lots of straight facts in this video that motivate every point made. Especially regarding the two issues raised in the title.
Just the fact that private companies can sue govs if they make use if their sovereignty is outrageous!
The irony of UK's fight to leave one regulatory shackle in EU but campaigning to be shackled onto another. Maybe someone should check the financial of those who are pushing for this.
Much better, good explanation. If anybody in the UK can prove that chlorinated chicken is harmful, the US can not ever trade it in the UK. The UK only has to insist that country of origin is shown on products and if customers don't by it, the US won't supply it.
The NHS is already purchasing patented pharmaceutical products from American companies. However, there are plenty of UK pharmaceutical companies who supply to the US also. The NHS should have an orchestrated procurement process to ensure fair pricing. No NHS hospital, doctor or nurse is ever "for sale". However, a deal with the US could open up new NHS services, and allow a profitable income from US patrons (or their insurance companies).
@rezargamer Or simpler: The chlorine is not the issue, the meat is.
Britain did not leave EU to be a state of America. NO WAY. NO WAY..
UK trading under WTO with USA is just fine
The UK already had this in the EU. So no gains here by leaving.
I can see many large law firms rubbing their hands in glee looking forward to lengthy law suits and healthy fees.
I would advise against it.
you'd be fired.
All these legal arguments that could come of a trade between US & UK... we may as well have stayed in the EU!
Maybe it would have been prudent to first talk about this and than vote about Brexit, not the other way.
his some chance uk to come back in europe trades like a liders like france and germany , who knows,
The issue ought not to be chlorinated or non-chlorinated chicken. But what is the cost-benefit ratio. Are the total health and environmental costs greater or less than the benefits from consuming chicken with less pathogens? As a person who has had both typhoid and paratyphoid, I would always prefer chlorinated chicken. One of the times I was hospitalized, my wife and I knew the specific source of infection was chicken served in a restaurant.
If a trade deal with Canada is OK. And knowing that Canada has a trade deal with the US, these concerns about chicken amount to p!ss!ng in the wind by the Remoaners.
_"Selling of the NHS"_ is a rather complex statement. And it doesn't necesarrily mean really selling it, but just ensure the money goes into the right pockets. The Budget of the health including the NHS for example in 2020 is 178 bn. In 2019 29% of this budget was given to private companies to do work in name of the NHS. Privatisation on this can also mean that just more and more budget goes to private companies until almost everything is private and the NHS exists in name only because there is nothing "National" in it anymore.
In addition to that ...
In 2020 we don't yet know the percentage of private companies on the 178 bn budget the numbers are not yet available, but it's expected to be far higher than in 2019 with 29% because of Corona. And the Johnson government lately only giving contracts out for health related stuff for private companies.
"Selling of the NHS" in context of medicine and drugs also mean something else. The US trade deal wants the UK to import them from the US and pay the US american price for it (2-3 times higher) and to deny cheaper generic but equal replacements for a longer time the so called extended patent time (10 years). Meaning although there are chemical equal replacements which are much cheaper the UK can't sell them for 10 years longer than everybody else (except the US of course).
EU or not I would prefer either over us
Told you so...
UK government being careful and transparent..... Yeah right.... Not with this clown in office.
The thing about Brexit was that once we were out we became vulnerable. It's not like we can make any demands at the negotiating table. All the leverage is on countries like China and the US who know we need new trade deals to self sustain and that we will have to bend over and taking anything we can get.
Johnson has to act quickly if they can prise Trump out of the Whitehouse Johnson is finished. They come as a pair.
Eating battery chickens is the root of the problem. Less chickens to look after means safer conditions. The UK needs to cut down on meat consumption. Meat should be a luxury not an nessecitie
so only for rich?
@@vulovulo6401 no it's a luxury not a nessescity.
Our side have not discussed their position with the electorate publicly. In the last 40 years they have consistently lost our country its place in the world financially industrially and morally.That gives me no confidence in
any negotiations with Americans who have assisted that process. Our Government has just failed to handle a pandemic. Would anyone with any sense trust them.
Presumably goons who voted for brexit are happy to become state51
The Trans Pacific Partnership TPP failed when the US withdrew but not before Australia agreed to sign up with the concession to preferentially buy patented over generic drugs. This would have been a punitive cost to ordinary Australians. Brits should therefore be warned not to fall into the same trap of being screwed by corporate Big Pharma.
the way i look at it if our NHS can just give it to anyone who just gets off a boat here than they can share it with our American brothers who saved our butts
I don't understand why what we get out of the Brexit deal isn't up to the people. Fair enough, we voted to Leave. I voted Remain, and I accept that we're leaving, I've come to terms with that reality but I'd like to have a say in what we get. I know Brexit is complicated, but if they can put such a delicate and complicated system to an "in or out" vote in 2016, why not a "yes or no" vote for each policy? I don't care if I have to go to the polling station every 2 weeks. It's not like people did any reading when the Brexit vote came along anyway, they just voted for "ban the Muslims", so why not let them vote for "keep Britain British, we want our NHS and we want our glorious UK chicken". I guess the phrase "the enemy (racists and UK hardcore patriotism) of my enemy (Donald Trump and Big Pharma) is my friend" is ringing true right now. I'd happily let an alcoholic, racist builder with no GCSEs vote against making the UK more US if it meant keeping Donald Trump out.
Chlorinated chicken - Yes/no - NO
Sell off the NHS to Trump and Big Pharma - Yes/no - NO
skip to 5:30
Chlorinated chicken is a good idea. The NHS needs a root and branch shake up. It had woke management and the bad management of any UK nationalised industry
The US Anti-precaution concept is basically an entire shift of the burden of proof towards the consumer.
There are some aspects where its hard to get for me how anyone with a brain would approve of such a practice.
Our ex pat Forum asked a retired scientist what is chlorinated chicken.....This is the reply......There is a lot of rubbish talked about chlorinated chicken. Firstly, let us see what it really means. In the US, the abattoirs are conducted differently than in the EU and that it is just possible that some faecal matter may reach the skin. Secondly, a water spray is used to clean off any residual contamination. Thirdly, they are then sprayed with a cold very dilute solution of sodium hypochlorite which will disinfect the skin from any pathogens that could remain. After a few minutes, and in contact with any organic matter, the solution decomposes into sodium chloride aka common salt and this will be the only residual substance resulting from the treatment. This solution is the same as Milton, which is commonly used in the UK to disinfect/sterilise the baby's bottles. Please note that the disinfection is not with chlorine, which is a toxic gas, but with a common liquid sterilant.
In the EU, the regulations of abattoirs ensure that faecal matter cannot reach the skin of the chicken. However, the skin is not sterilised and could easily harbour pathogens from other sources than the faecal matter.
Which is safer? Personally, I am not convinced one way or another and I am not even sure of the best way to deal with a purchased chicken, which always seems to me to be a potential hotbed of undesirable pathogens, inside and out! :-( :-(
If yourmad at chlorinated don't buy it, brands will start marketing as non chlorinated
I think we'll get a trade deal fairly quickly, we won't know half of what the deal entails though. Wouldn't supprise me if a deal was already planned.
If only there was a group of similar-sized countries where the UK belonged and had the right to vote and influence
Yes, but what could this group be? Maybe the E... , no certainly not. Why should the UK have left such a helpful institution?
If the deal is concluded, the UK will become the 51st US state before Washington DC
this is one of the most important videos i've ever seen. Everyone should see this
Is there a trade deal that requires one party to buy a product from the other? If you don’t want the drugs don’t buy them. If you don’t want the chicken don’t buy it. If you don’t want to sell the NHS don’t sell it. No trade deal is going to mandate it. The trade deal may dictate that you can’t stop the product from being offered but not that it has to be purchased.
Yes on normal trade deals you make deals on specific products and amounts and conditions like the UK has done with Australia, Vietnam and others. However in a Free Trade Deal there is nothing of that anymore that's the basic meaning of "Free".
All products flow from one economy in the other. And that way even products from a 3rd country can be just redirected through the trade partner to you and vice versa. And also if a company decides to cheat a little, e.g. by exploiting workers a little more or use dangerous chemicals or methods to reduce the price they can overflow the trade-partner and make all companies in your country for that product go bust because they simply cannot compete with the price (or their government even forbids them to use the same methods).
US will do this with agriculture and food with the UK. They can have their low standard while the UK farmern needs to keep their higher standards ... and go bust in the process.
Even more unfair: Imagine you have a Free Trade deal. The other country is giving their farmers yearly subsidies which helps them to have a lower price on products. On Free Trade deals they can overflow your market with their cheaper goods. Your own companies cannot sell the same product for the same or a lower price and therefore go bust no more jobs from that, no more taxe-income from that and costs for imports instead. You actually paying to ruin your own companies and helping theirs.
That's the reason why the EU is so insistent on the Level Playing Field because it sets the rules for both side on which Free Trade Happens without unfair advantages for either side.
No deal is better than a bad deal.
I'd rather have the NHS partially privatized anyway (or at least have some fees), because then maybe they can increase the quality and create some competition with the private sector of healthcare, driving their prices down and making it more affordable with more options for everyone; additionally, they can have exemptions for the very poor so they won't be left behind. The system in the UK is very imbalanced in a way that you effectively have no option with private healthcare prices. The competition doesn't exist which makes waiting times, quality of care, and prices far worse than it should be. This creates a binary choice between ridiculous waiting times and ridiculous prices.
29% of NHS budget already is done by private companies. It is already partially privatized. And regarding "private companies can do it better". The testing which currently goes so horribly wrong (dangerous and missing testing kids, no Tier-2 data available, tests without noting the address of the tested) all this is happening with private companies currently and it's a disaster ... an expensive disaster.
@@AaronOkeanos that wasn't my point, the nhs must become competitive in quality so that the entire healthcare system, public and private, becomes better for people, read what i said again, i don't care how that happens as long as it's not tax raises. I clearly did not state in any way "private companies can do it better" even if that is often true, my point was something else.
I know the NHS is underfunded but we as British people are super proud of our NHS and the work people who with in the NHS. Any trade deal we make with any country has to have a hands of approach on the NHS. If Boris is smart he will realise how treasured the NHS is with the population of Britain and not include it in any trade deals, as he may as well resign now, as he will have no chance for re-election
bojo, smart...lol
After leaving the EU and harming so much existing trade, how much choice will there be? We've already given up the best of both worlds as far as regulation and a large trading partner are concerned. Do we hold onto those regulations or sacrifice much of the economy? Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
UK would collect up to 15billions in WTO tariffs per year equivalent to 15 new big hospitals each year
Payed by british customers. But they pay for hospitals already do they?
The big thing for me is that I don't like the idea of a corporation being able to successfully sue a democratically elected government.
because the gov is in on it with them. it's a veiled fascism.
The difference between the UK’s NHS, and the USA’s healthcare system, and hence the consequences that flow from that difference, is a function of their founding principles. Altruism, as embodied in Aneurin Bevan, in respect of the NHS versus predatory/crony capitalism in the case of the USA’s system. It’s as simple as that.
No no no protect the NHS.
I think that Phillip Morris lost the case to Australia so badly they had to pay Australia’s legal costs.
So, what if 2 institutions have the same patent in the country?
Like Insulin which was given for 1$ to the USA and probably also to the UK in the same sense (just assuming) for producing it.
Will it basically mean that the UK can just flood the USA market with cheap medicine?
I mean Canada cant do it for some reason.
And are even the regulations for "Patents" or "license" the same as the renewing of such?
Pffff, good luck getting this deal ready for 2025, because I really don't see any way in getting it ready before that with these administrations at hand.
I doubt the big pharma in the US will let the UK 'ruin' their high prices. Something in the deal will ensure that's not the case. As for how quick it will be it depends on how many concessions the UK is willing to make.
The brexit campaign is absolutely right on one thing. If you bend over enough you'll get a trade deal in no time.
I think the conservative party and Boris Johnson especially is quite keen on a deal.
How do tariffs play in a trade deal?