I frequently use 12 tone themes, but I put them in a quasi-tonal context, and, a la Berg, usually form my rows so that they are made up of segments that outline common chords or are all briefly from a given diatonic scale, like say, the first 4 notes will be "in" C# minor, then 4 notes implying D major, then 4 implying Bb major, roughly.
Webern did some interesting things with his serial music like this. For example, he often would use the last note of one row as the first note of another row, which shortens the phrase by one duration. I've always liked using 2 rows simultaneously, but also really enjoy toying with implied tonality. -- Nice work on this piece!
Never stop this series I love your work. You should upload just the piece as a separate video, or make a new channel dedicated to just the music you've written.
It's so amazing how you can be so good at so many different fields of study. Your music is amazing and your videos contain amazing editing and effects. These videos are really an inspiration and help me develop ideas for my compositions too, keep it up.
And that's partly why the piece is so delightful beside being well-composed and performed. She didn't let the "rules" choke the musical inspiration inherent in the tone row.
What a superbrain you are, Nahre! You managed to make 12-tone rows swing with energy, so it had a groove. I'm glad you didn't serialize the rhythm, if that's the right term. And with anything this strict, some rule violation is simpatico! :)
I love the gifs that you put in your videos! They really help to understand the concepts you talk about on a different dimension and they're so freaking cool!! 😂
I love your animation choices. Very creative how well they accompany your ideas. Like the sugar cubes with the idea of using all tones, and the linked circles with "both hands and two rows at the same time"
Dissonance & diminished stuff is like the last thing people learn because it sounds awful, so seeing you literally master dissonance makes me wonder how damn godlike you must be with actual melody haha. Seriously impressive!!
Like anything beautiful in nature - there is a system to generate / transmit and recognize / receive such beauty. Both given from a master creator to the artist and the patron!
Your sight reading is impeccable 😊🎹🎶...love it...love hearing you and learning. Thank you for taking me out of the mundane series of musical thought. Such a fresh concept
This might be a silly idea, but sometimes I try and play songs from back to front. So you start with the last note of the last measure and work your way back to the first. Of course, you can make this as difficult as you can, or take inspiration from it to write something new!
I was just listening to a Frank Zappa interview where he was talking about serial music and I knew I had to come search your channel - knew you would have explored it. Thanks!
To me, rhythm and counterpoint are the most important aspects of twelve-tone music. For instance: try to do a first or second-species counterpoint exercise with two different row forms, paying special attention to interval relations and its rhythmic position. This a very challenging exercise indeed. Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia. Awesome channel.
Those who have no clue regarding 12 tone may find your work like Pablo Picasso's childish art, however, for acknowledged musician 12 tone is one of the hardest pieces to listen to and perform professionally. And you never fail to impress us.
Hey, just got the chance to see it today! Loved the results with welcoming the thirds, gives it a "questioning in comical or reflexive way" (does that make sense?). The sudoku part of it, i think is highlighted by the necessity of fitting a lot of the possibilities in a same sentence, what makes it move too fast, that is what (to me) it makes it sound like the Frank Zappa compositions where he wants to keep you guessing or make you feel the instrument is rethorically questioning itself. Liked it! But would also love to see a second take like you talked about, using the possibilities of the row to guide an unexpected sense of modal harmony. I like the "pitch class set theory" idea from before all the sudoku came about, because it gives you more freedom to control how "modal, tonal or atonal/?" will you incline the sense of harmony in each moment of your piece. I must be babbling at this point, thank you for the shout out and awesome insight at your process of working and practicing! Cheers!
WOW! amazing, dodecaphony is the most innovative technique of the twentieth century, modern horror/thriller soundtracks would never have existed without Arnold Schoenberg's intuitions....(sorry my bad english)
Wow, that was amazing! A couple of questions (I am trying to learn 12-tone technique): 1. For the chords in the left hand, do the notes get used from the tone row in the right hand (does the right hand 'skip' the notes that are in the chords)? 2. Are repeated notes treated as just one? (I've noticed in Schönberg that he sometimes repeats notes, is that 'breaking the rules')? 3. Are tonal chords (e.g. Cmaj9) allowed occasionally, or should all chords be atonal? Are thirds allowed in the chords if the chords are still atonal (e.g. Bb, C, E, F#)? Also, could you write a piece which uses only the black keys, the half-whole tone scale, or some other restricted note set? I have always been fascinated by compositions which use a limited number of notes, and I'd love to see your take on it.
Hi Alex! Thank you!! To answer your questions - 1. In general, it doesn't matter which hand the pitches are played - LH or RH; they will be (used) from that sequence. Here, I bent that rule and had two instances where I had two separate rows going at the same time (represented by each hand). 2. I'm not entirely sure about this -- but my guess would be that in certain cases, a repeated note could maybe be considered as a form of just a longer note that is played in that manner (if you aren't systematizing rhythm). For example, you can argue that say, a C half note is quite similar to 4 repeated C eighth notes. 3. It's my understanding that traditionally, all thirds (major or minor) are avoided. It's all about context, so a chord like that (Bb, C, E, F#) could very much be a tonal chord in a certain context. Also, thanks for your suggestion! :)
Lovely composition. Somehow the rhodes timbre really fits the texture of chromatic music. I`d love to see your take on something in the style of Ligeti - Musica Ricercata, or maybe on the totally opposite spectrum - Arvo Part (although it might prove to be not so well suited for the mini-piece format)? Keep 'em coming.
This would make awesome game playing comping. So rare to hear 12 tone pieces that are really musical. As rare as economical and thoughtful jazz solos. ❤❤❤
assign each of the 12 tones to 12 months (the notes that are in the c major scale represent the months that have 31 days and the accidentals represent the short months with the F sharp, which is a tritone from C representing February)
How about a polyrhythmic piece which starts with 3 over 2 and then 5/2 - 7/2 and 9/2 and the turns it around to 2/9, 2/7, 2/5 and ends on 2/3 or some scheme like that.
Just discovered your videos, and really enjoyed going through a lot of them today! I love how you show us the process of your composition and practicing and are just so genuine. Love the final chord in this piece. I was trying to figure it out: Ab-B-C-Eb-G?
Every piece you write and play on the mini keyboard just gets better and better...it is really inspiring. Have you made a pentatonic one? Just wondering.
Really interesting piece! Twelve-tone is awesome, my personal favorite is Schoenberg's Opus 42, I highly recommend checking that if you haven't heard it.
How about composing a piece using quarter tones? It's a pretty cool concept that I don't see used very often outside of creating dissonance, so what if you were to try to build harmony with it?
Serious question: when does something like this cease to become music and become nothing more than an intellectual puzzle? What is it's purpose if not to be listened to? I can't imagine anyone getting in their car or relaxing in their recliner and playing something like this. Also, how does one approach something like this to gain an appreciation for it? I believe Nahre is an exceptionallly gifted artist so I genuinely would like to know.
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Thank you Rick!
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It’s remarkably listenable given its 12 toneness. Sounds like something from outer space!
Hi, thank you! :))
I frequently use 12 tone themes, but I put them in a quasi-tonal context, and, a la Berg, usually form my rows so that they are made up of segments that outline common chords or are all briefly from a given diatonic scale, like say, the first 4 notes will be "in" C# minor, then 4 notes implying D major, then 4 implying Bb major, roughly.
It's very easy to compose very bad 12-tone music. Your piece is so perfect! I love it!
'bad'
I'm nowhere near the ability to appreciate this, I'll come back to this in a year or something
are you back?
Webern did some interesting things with his serial music like this. For example, he often would use the last note of one row as the first note of another row, which shortens the phrase by one duration. I've always liked using 2 rows simultaneously, but also really enjoy toying with implied tonality. -- Nice work on this piece!
Never stop this series I love your work. You should upload just the piece as a separate video, or make a new channel dedicated to just the music you've written.
It's so amazing how you can be so good at so many different fields of study. Your music is amazing and your videos contain amazing editing and effects. These videos are really an inspiration and help me develop ideas for my compositions too, keep it up.
Thank you so much!! It's so cool to read your comment -- I really appreciate what you wrote :)
"i hope you enjoy that" you broke an atonal composing rule there
And that's partly why the piece is so delightful beside being well-composed and performed. She didn't let the "rules" choke the musical inspiration inherent in the tone row.
What a superbrain you are, Nahre! You managed to make 12-tone rows swing with energy, so it had a groove. I'm glad you didn't serialize the rhythm, if that's the right term. And with anything this strict, some rule violation is simpatico! :)
I love the gifs that you put in your videos! They really help to understand the concepts you talk about on a different dimension and they're so freaking cool!! 😂
Thank you!! 😊🙏
It never occurred to me that twelve tone could swing. That’s really jazzy. Love the accenting.
So happy I discovered your channel. This is some amazing content!!
Thank you!! And welcome 😊
I love your animation choices. Very creative how well they accompany your ideas. Like the sugar cubes with the idea of using all tones, and the linked circles with "both hands and two rows at the same time"
Dissonance & diminished stuff is like the last thing people learn because it sounds awful, so seeing you literally master dissonance makes me wonder how damn godlike you must be with actual melody haha. Seriously impressive!!
Schoenberg and Alban Berg would be proud
Hi,Nahre
I'm also composer&jazz pianist.You work great.I love the way you play&compose,which influence me a lot.thanks!
Geniuses are awesome! Nahre is a genius. Thank you for sharing your brilliance with us!!
I saw the title and could only imagine... oh lord... this is amazing
Like anything beautiful in nature - there is a system to generate / transmit and recognize / receive such beauty. Both given from a master creator to the artist and the patron!
Your sight reading is impeccable 😊🎹🎶...love it...love hearing you and learning. Thank you for taking me out of the mundane series of musical thought. Such a fresh concept
I love that you can practice in the terminal. So Convenient!
Love the piece, also how you describe your process is very helpful to anyone who may be interested to compose this way. Fabulous video
That's so lovely; it sounds so much more improvisational than what you actually did!
That is really cool to hear, thank you!
I'm surprised by how palatable it is! Awesome!
this is really really really cool. your videos are fascinating, keep up the good work!
I absolutely love your composition writing and create process. I'd love to get a copy of the tone chart. Your puppy seems to enjoy music.
Thank you!!! Bobby says hi :))
U r One of the talented composers. Great admirer here.
I really like how playful it sounds. This is a really good sounding piece. And you're right about subscribing I did.
Yay! Thank you and welcome! 😊
More please
I ABSOLUTELY love your visual explanations!!!!!
love your music, videos, and your hard work and effort.
You are amazing. And that's just the gist of it!
It’s interesting to hear Berg’s music and it’s similarities to jazz with its harmonic extensions. I really enjoyed your piece, and your channeled :)
i think you're my favorite youtuber ever =))), keep it up, nahre!
This might be a silly idea, but sometimes I try and play songs from back to front. So you start with the last note of the last measure and work your way back to the first. Of course, you can make this as difficult as you can, or take inspiration from it to write something new!
That's a cool idea! I posted a piece like that (I think called Retrograde) a WHILE back. I'm very fascinated by things like this :))) . Thanks again
It sounds so interesting! So fun and contrasting... Inspired again
Very enjoyable! I have listened several times already!
Everything you compose is so AWESOME!!!! 😁🤯
It's a great theme. It makes me want to hear the rest of the composition!
You are a gem! Cool to hear you talk about music because you have a unique perspective. That CP was sounding very "Bitches Brew" to me!
Cool piece, you play very well! Also great editing on the video. Subscribed, thank you :)
I was just listening to a Frank Zappa interview where he was talking about serial music and I knew I had to come search your channel - knew you would have explored it. Thanks!
To me, rhythm and counterpoint are the most important aspects of twelve-tone music. For instance: try to do a first or second-species counterpoint exercise with two different row forms, paying special attention to interval relations and its rhythmic position. This a very challenging exercise indeed.
Greetings from Bogotá, Colombia. Awesome channel.
Even on a silly little small instrument, your expert playing cannot be hidden
Eric Rinehart Piano small sure ain’t silly
I enjoyed that immensely. Well done.
I love to hear a lofi like style from yah ;) something chill
hey thanks a lot
ur video made me understand more the dodecaphonic music
oh and also u play really well, i admire that.
First! Keep up the great work, Nahre!
Miguel Patajo thank you!! 💞
Beautiful! Loved it!
Funny and awsome video ! Thanks for sharing.
Luckson Josue thank you!! 😊
Those who have no clue regarding 12 tone may find your work like Pablo Picasso's childish art, however, for acknowledged musician 12 tone is one of the hardest pieces to listen to and perform professionally. And you never fail to impress us.
sound like a crazy telephone... loved it!
I enjoyed how you connected one idea to the next very smoothly while still remaining atonal. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!! 🙏
I really dig the cadences (arrivals) you set up!
I only hope my son can be a fraction as good as you. I think you make great videos. Thank you for taking time out for us all.
New Nahre's video day is always a good day!
Your comment made my day! 😊
Your response made mine!
your back.....fun....I liked it....ron
Shuzies thank you!!! 😊
allways is nice to see this awesome dog!
I agree! He is a joy 🐶🎶
Beautiful! New fan here!
Thank you Luis!! :))
Wow u rock, expect this to get a mil views within the next year
this could be the only video on TH-cam of a serialist piece that doesn't have a single dislike! (why's that?)
Hey, just got the chance to see it today! Loved the results with welcoming the thirds, gives it a "questioning in comical or reflexive way" (does that make sense?). The sudoku part of it, i think is highlighted by the necessity of fitting a lot of the possibilities in a same sentence, what makes it move too fast, that is what (to me) it makes it sound like the Frank Zappa compositions where he wants to keep you guessing or make you feel the instrument is rethorically questioning itself. Liked it! But would also love to see a second take like you talked about, using the possibilities of the row to guide an unexpected sense of modal harmony. I like the "pitch class set theory" idea from before all the sudoku came about, because it gives you more freedom to control how "modal, tonal or atonal/?" will you incline the sense of harmony in each moment of your piece. I must be babbling at this point, thank you for the shout out and awesome insight at your process of working and practicing! Cheers!
WOW! amazing, dodecaphony is the most innovative technique of the twentieth century, modern horror/thriller soundtracks would never have existed without Arnold Schoenberg's intuitions....(sorry my bad english)
Wow, that was amazing! A couple of questions (I am trying to learn 12-tone technique):
1. For the chords in the left hand, do the notes get used from the tone row in the right hand (does the right hand 'skip' the notes that are in the chords)?
2. Are repeated notes treated as just one? (I've noticed in Schönberg that he sometimes repeats notes, is that 'breaking the rules')?
3. Are tonal chords (e.g. Cmaj9) allowed occasionally, or should all chords be atonal? Are thirds allowed in the chords if the chords are still atonal (e.g. Bb, C, E, F#)?
Also, could you write a piece which uses only the black keys, the half-whole tone scale, or some other restricted note set? I have always been fascinated by compositions which use a limited number of notes, and I'd love to see your take on it.
Hi Alex! Thank you!! To answer your questions -
1. In general, it doesn't matter which hand the pitches are played - LH or RH; they will be (used) from that sequence. Here, I bent that rule and had two instances where I had two separate rows going at the same time (represented by each hand).
2. I'm not entirely sure about this -- but my guess would be that in certain cases, a repeated note could maybe be considered as a form of just a longer note that is played in that manner (if you aren't systematizing rhythm). For example, you can argue that say, a C half note is quite similar to 4 repeated C eighth notes.
3. It's my understanding that traditionally, all thirds (major or minor) are avoided. It's all about context, so a chord like that (Bb, C, E, F#) could very much be a tonal chord in a certain context.
Also, thanks for your suggestion! :)
Brilliant. I like it!
Hi Mike, thank you! :)
You are genius! !
You just made me like 12-tone music!
Lovely composition. Somehow the rhodes timbre really fits the texture of chromatic music. I`d love to see your take on something in the style of Ligeti - Musica Ricercata, or maybe on the totally opposite spectrum - Arvo Part (although it might prove to be not so well suited for the mini-piece format)? Keep 'em coming.
I am glad someone pointed out that Rhodes tone, it really matches the notes with the bright attacks and short decay, preventing them from clashing.
Very cool composition! It has a Japanese jazz feel with the melody structure, all that's missing are drums and bass.
Sounds like something bill wurtz would play
This would make awesome game playing comping. So rare to hear 12 tone pieces that are really musical. As rare as economical and thoughtful jazz solos. ❤❤❤
I'll call this "Beyond the Black Hole" "Nahre 41118.1" Or Quasar Memories" lol. Awesome as always my dear friend...
Amazing. Thank you!
Great piece! It had a jazz impression to it in places; makes me wonder if some of the jazz musicians learned from the Vienna II folks.
I love this! It's the aural equivalent of popping candy! Thanks!
assign each of the 12 tones to 12 months (the notes that are in the c major scale represent the months that have 31 days and the accidentals represent the short months with the F sharp, which is a tritone from C representing February)
How about a polyrhythmic piece which starts with 3 over 2 and then 5/2 - 7/2 and 9/2 and the turns it around to 2/9, 2/7, 2/5 and ends on 2/3 or some scheme like that.
Yes! Awesome, thank you!! :)
Wow! Wonderful work. You've got a new subscriber. :D
Love it.
Love this! :)
Nahre = The Best Ever ; )
This sounds great
Great composition. Thanks
David Summerville thank you!!! :))
Would love to hear this on an acoustic piano!
you are amazing!!!
Just discovered your videos, and really enjoyed going through a lot of them today! I love how you show us the process of your composition and practicing and are just so genuine. Love the final chord in this piece. I was trying to figure it out: Ab-B-C-Eb-G?
Sounds like atonal jazz. Very percussive, swingy, and intense.
Every piece you write and play on the mini keyboard just gets better and better...it is really inspiring. Have you made a pentatonic one? Just wondering.
Thank you so much!! I haven't done a pentatonic one yet! Just a rondo, fugue, minimalist, and 12-tone :)
Really great!!!
nahre you rule!! sol means sun in portuguese, that's what you are in music ;)
Great music!
That was cool! Maybe do a piece with common-tone harmony where only 1 or 2 notes at the most of a chord change at a time?
Thank you!! And thanks for the suggestion ! I will keep that in mind ! :)
lovely!
Really interesting piece! Twelve-tone is awesome, my personal favorite is Schoenberg's Opus 42, I highly recommend checking that if you haven't heard it.
Thank you!! 💞
Almost everything that Schœnberg composed even after 1908 is post-romantic to me and this Piano Concerto is a great exemple.
That funky rhythms melted with 12 tone seems synclavier music by Frank Zappa
How about composing a piece using quarter tones? It's a pretty cool concept that I don't see used very often outside of creating dissonance, so what if you were to try to build harmony with it?
yes please
Serious question: when does something like this cease to become music and become nothing more than an intellectual puzzle? What is it's purpose if not to be listened to? I can't imagine anyone getting in their car or relaxing in their recliner and playing something like this.
Also, how does one approach something like this to gain an appreciation for it? I believe Nahre is an exceptionallly gifted artist so I genuinely would like to know.
@Kevin L Agreed. That is why I am asking for any approach to help me gain an appreciation for it.
Music is a form of art is doesn’t necessarily have to please anyone.
@@patrickbyrne7882 if you dont like picles, me telling you how it tastes, how its better than regular food, how the taste buds act around acidity, how my neurons activate through it wont make you like pickles like me. You'll have the general idea, but not like it. Same goes heavily spiced food.
That was great.
that was fucking awesome!