American HIMARS Rocket Artillery is Better Than You Think
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The United States Department of Defense and Pentagon sent 4 HIMARS rocket artillery pieces to Ukraine. Will it make a difference? Maybe, maybe not. It's longer range munitions deliver more capability than traditional cannon artillery. What exactly is the difference between rocket and regular artillery though?
Why use the HIMARS? Where did Rocket artillery originally come from. The soviet union and Russian military used rocket artillery far more than the US has in history.
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When you doing your next Ukraine War video?
8:18 relys.... really? Who proofreads your shit?
If memory serves me correctly Ukraine currently has 9 HIMARS and a dozen M270 units. Based on the targets engaged so far M31 and M31A1 seem to be the munitions that they are using. If they continue to hammer rearward logistics the way they have been it should help to stall any Russian attempted advance. Watching multiple ammo dumps go up like the finale at a 4th of July fireworks show every night has been something else.
@@AgentX2006 I suspect NATO is using salami tactics on the Russians, gradually increasing the number of HIMARs and range of ammunition sent.
It will help Russia ease into the idea and prevent them from escalating.
Units:
4 units , 5 more, 7 more , 10 more , 16 more …
Range:
40 miles, 80 miles, 160 miles , 300 miles etc.
@@AgentX2006 Yes, I`ve heard they have 8 Himars with 4 more on the way, besides the M270`s.They have said only 4 on some sites, I think just keep the Russians guessing as to the true number in country.
Im still shocked at how time efficient they've been. These dudes learned an entirely new system and then went apesh*t blowing stuff up for 4 days straight! Talk about hitting the ground running!
You didn't invent, engineer the systems designed to be operated in semi-automatic mode.. You have no idea how they operate... So why are you shocked that Ukrainians learned them quickly?
Let's not forget before Capitalism arrived, Ukraine was building largest planes and best Rockets in the world. They are a lot more technically savvy than you can even imagine... That's why they would never be allowed to join EU as awesome as they were.. Who needs France or West Germany then, when new kid is in the bloc?
@@elchinpirbabayev5757 its a pretty sophisticated weapons system and even with carryover experience it generally takes a while before new users of any system can utilize it to its full potential.
@@elchinpirbabayev5757 Do adopt another countries weapons systems so quickly is a testament to Ukraine's perseverance. Smart people.
@@elchinpirbabayev5757 you don't have to develop a weapon system or training program to be reasonably impressed by the speed of training on and implementation of that weapon system. The Army Field Artillery school is just shy of 19 weeks. Obviously they are learning more than just what it takes to operate the HIMAR, but it gives us a good yardstick.
As for the tech saaviness of Ukrainians, wouldn't that be exactly what the OP is impressed by? Bringing that up didn't challenge the sentiment of the comment at all.
I think it's pretty easy to use set push shot drive away then repeat
We have hit around 50 targets during the last week using HIMARS: ammo depots and command units.
Works just fine and helps to keep Russians from advancing)
Edit: I’m not saying HIMARS will stop them completely, but we were able to halt them by destroying logistics and command chains(1 general and 2 colonel in Chernobaevka only).
The amounts of artillery rounds fired per day decreased tremendously, too.
@Proxima Centaur Yeah, about 200 meters in every direction.
@Proxima Centaur Look how far Hitler advanced, it doesn't mean shit if you can't hold the ground.
@Olaf Sigurson because there regrouping after taking lyschansk and all of luhansk
It's amazing how effective you guys are using them
@@cd5433 Because they ran out of supply and need to stop for about 2 weeks.
Which is 2 weeks Russia can't afford.
As a seasoned BF3/4 artillery player, I can say these are extremely effective.
now that's the affirmation I can get behind o7
@@grimskid It's not the most rewarding source of xp, but somebody has to do it.
I could never get kills with it I don't know why 😂
@@mrkillerspartan1 like he said, it takes a bit of training.
@@MaleWingDiver Makes sense lmao
I'd say these proved very useful, and the ammo dump was a perfect example of how the HIMARS is actually being used. Russian logistics got a lot more complicated as a result.
Exact - I don't think this video is aging well already...
They will work but they won't make a significant difference because the Russians are also hitting Ukrainian ammunition depot's
Well , russian tornado-s have a range of 120 km and are guided against himars 80 km, don,t lie to your self
Ammo stocks... wow.
When Zelenksy will shout on the rooftops that his soldiers have taken back that _valuable real estate_ that Russia has under their control ie occupies, then I'll holy shit!
@@blackmantis3130 likely the ammo pods are sitting on the back of a HEMITT OSHKOSH truck. Each truck fully loaded with a trailer can haul 8 pods which adds up to be 48 missiles. The trucks are cheap, swift, and better suited than an ammo depot.
As a Ukrainian who knows some of the soldiers fighting on the battlefield and who monitors russian activity I can say that those 4 HIMARS systems already made a huge difference.
Shelling in Donbass region shrinked more than twice after few ammo storages were destroyed. That is incredible.
Think of it, in order to fire an artillery you need ammo but if ammo storage gets destroyed it will take a lot of time for command to make a new one then the train would carry ammunition which weights a lot to the nearest train station where a lot of trucks will transport the artillery rounds. It is complicated procces and knowing that russian millitary command is really disorganised recovering from one of those strikes might take them 10 or even more days.
Now as the night starts I hope more ammo storages of russian army would be destroyed as well as more command units. Thanks for reading
Yeah my uncle is also in the ЗСУ and we believe he’s been deployed into Kherson region a month ago. The phone calls from the Russians in that area are just them pissing themselves and getting hit by HIMARS not being able to do anything. These weapon systems can give us a chance to fight back the Russians after losing Lugansk
Russia proved that they couldn’t support a supply line 90km from a train station in the first month of the war. The HIMARS are forcing them to do that, I wouldn’t want to be a Russian logistics officer right now.
@@thr0waway what’s pathetic is feeling the need to share that opinion in that way to someone who’s in an active warzone. lamentable truly.
This is mostly lies. The supposed Russian Ammo dump turned out to be a saltpeter and fertilizer plant, and the Russians won't just die even if some 4-5 dumps were shot. Just yesterday the Russians completely ripped a Ukrainian defended settlement to shreds and reports indicate that Ukrainian troops are already retreating, along with Nikolaev having had 20 missiles hit it this week.
The only significant thing Himars has done is strike one single military target, a communications center killing a Russian officer. This led to the Russians retaliating by destroying several decision making centers of Ukraine along with hitting other targets across the front. Russian shelling has not decreased at all. Maybe in your local area because the Russians have moved onto another area - more focus on the Kherson front is being given as Luhansk Oblast was taken by the Russians and Ukrainian Army resistance wavered in the area.
@@UkrRusSlavic Never trust SBU officers. They literally make up most of that shit for propaganda. If this was true the Russians wouldn't have captured another 2 towns just a few hours ago, and wouldn't be destroying Siversk.
Fun thing about the HIMARS is its gonna force Russia to pull its ammo depots bacj 84 kilometers away.
And if they get the 300 km variant, they're gonna have to pull back even farther.
Imagine being a supply officer, what are you gonna do when your ammo dumps are over 300 miles away from your unit.
and maybe that's part of the plan.....
send a 40 mile long convoy on a traffic jam death gaunlet 🤷♂
Or they could advance the frontline by 300 km into enemy territory, which they can do if they accept more collateral damage... Given how quickly Russian currency and passports spread over Ukrainian territory, leads us to assume Russia has to care about collateral damage.. So they can blame the scorched earth on Ukrainian side, and worst of all Ukraine cannot afford to care how "scorched earth" reflects on them.
Russian air defences should be capable to hitting HİMARS rockets in the air, which in critical areas is the case.. So HIMARS must be used in less critical areas if they are to boast exploding Russian depots.
or Russia is capable of blocking GPS on Ukrainian territory.
@@elchinpirbabayev5757 Advancing 300 km is not possible for Russia. It took them several months to take Severodonetsk and Lyschansk and they had to abandon the north just to do that.
And Ukraine was busy blowing up ammo dumps so the artillery, which is essential to advance, wouldn't have enough ammunition.
Also, if Russia can jam GPS, they would already do so. But so far they have not so its possible that Russia doesn't have that capability.
S300s and S400s were present on HIMARs targets but so far they have failed to intercept anything.
Shoot nukes
Before watching this I think the main thing the himars has is it’s ability to strike Russian logistical capabilities since the Russians moved back east they have been relying more on trains and with us and other western intelligence Ukraine has a pretty good idea where to hit to cause the most logistical damages to Russia. Blowing up ammo dumps has seemed to be its main use now
what abt after
@@Journeyman107 I don’t see them being used for anything but this for a while. Because blowing up a bunch of supplies is the most bang for your buck you can get
@@alexalexandrov9684 Blowing up supplies indeed is more damaging then blowing up an individual tank collum, anti tank weapons can do the job there.
So yeah hitting supply dumps 70ish KM behind the front lines forcing russia to move things by truck for 90+ KM aka max range for 3 round trips a day will hold their advance.
But I think it's time we start giving Ukraine the 200km range missiles and let them do whatever they want
@@TEAserOne ooh yeah definitely if we can maybe get them to agree to not use them on Russian soil that would be great. I think the 70km ones are kicking ass well enough but more range would help but rn seems to be hampered by concerns of escalation
@@alexalexandrov9684 Why?
Russia is shelling Ukrainian towns?
Why should we limit Ukraines ability to do the same?
I`m from Ukraine and it is hard to imagine how much impact these missiles have. Thank you very much for them! Friends from the front say that they stopped being shelled by artillery 24/7
Thanks to HIMARS my native town will be deoccupide soon
🇺🇦✊
HIMARs hit a LOT of ammo dumps lately. It seems Ukrainian brass is only using them for strategic targets which, considering they don't have many, makes a great deal of sense.
Task and Purpose has been getting a lot of things wrong since this war started. Remember him downplaying Russia's fuck up and stuck columns on route to Kyiv? They're establishing forward operating bases he said. Totally not Russian incompetence and eventual defeat/retreat.
Now he's trying to tell us how giving just a handful of HIMARS is an empty gesture that won't change much. He's just a grunt who really doesn't have any capacity for higher strategic thinking. He makes entertaining but ultimately wrong videos. Task and Purpose realyl needs to stop giving his opinion on greater strategic issues or trying to predict the outcome of conflicts because he clearly has no idea what he's talking about. Stick with talking about the basics. Maybe the everyday life of a soldier or something low level.
Every one of these videos age like milk.
@@facemaskfrank2726 Really? Can you quote and timestamp the moment in time he said he was 100% sure that that's what they were doing? Because I just rewatched that video. That is NOT what he said.
He said that there was a good probability that the Russians were doing that because that's what the Russians themselves say they would've done. The general in charge of that axis got sacked.
I have just read that Zelensky has increased conscription age to 70 yrs of age
I do not know if is fact, but if is
The Ukrainians will soon be digging up corpses to conscript😂
As someone who served as a HIMARS Operator; I can tell you that a well trained crew can easily fire off a full pod, stow the arm, and be able to drive a safe distance away well before those rockets even impact their target. the only limits a single HIMARS system really has (in terms of effectiveness), Is Ammo, and Fuel. Oh and air support, fighter jets are the biggest threat by far.
Oh thank you. They’re perfect for counterbattery, they’re making it sound like it’s ammo dumps or nothing. And.. When this dork said HIMARS had a lower rate of fire I wanted to break the keyboard. Throw-weight? They’re munitions limited. Period.
The VVS is remarkably quiet, they don’t seem to be much of a factor.
Ground, not so much. Air, maybe - If you’re loitering within sight of the smoke trails, certainly. Russians seem to be reluctant to do that, though.
@@randallturner9094 They are simply using the limited resources (4) to achieve the best strategic advantage. If you can destroy 5 guns with one rocket, or silence 200 by destroying their ammo dump, which one would you choose?
@@fireiceuk9221 certainly. I wasn’t complaining about their current target selection. I’m saying lower value targets are also appropriate, contrary to what this video implies. $100K isn’t that much, that’s how we roll. As long as we keep them adequately supplied, and nothing better shows itself, a four tube battery is perfectly acceptable.
Especially when said battery’s lobbing shells at your friends.
@@randallturner9094 I don't think they'd get a chance to prove themselves in counter artillery, since they're basically used as a tactical rocket complex, which doesn't really matches the role of battling other artillery pieces
I was a driver and gunner in Iraq for the M270 MLRS, and yes, it will make a HUGE difference.
Against goatkeepers without equipment & training and shooting them at civilians maybe...
yes because fighting iraq is the same as Russia vs ukraine...
US never fought a proper country and still gets their ass kicked half of the time.
Proxy war trough Ukraine now, no bigger warmongers then the US.
How many weddings did you bomb? How many kids did you shoot?
@@henryrollins9177 like the russian recruits.
@@henryrollins9177 Well, now HIMARS are making lots of good russians every day.
It would be super Interesting to see how much rocket artillery has evolved from World War Two, and the fact that the US is getting interested in them.
Well in the case of Russia it hasn't :P
MLRS was used extensively in 1991 Gulf War. US has interested in rocket artillery since the 80s, but aside from the '91 Gulf War, we haven't faced the large troop concentrations they were designed for.
They were designed to fight Russians in Europe. They've finally found their bread and butter war. Doing precisely what they were intended to do, where they were intended to do it.
@@TEAserOne Yeah man Katyusha and Tornado system is exactly same smh
There’s are fucking up Ukraine fast enough
@@b-17gflyingfortress6 Lol imagine taking my comment seriously, I was obviously meming about the fact that the Russians are still aimlesly yeeting rockets at their targets, so that much hasn't changed between Katyusha and Tornado kek
The info here is a little out dated already. They have confirmed to be receiving 16 HIMARS systems in total. The 4 you may be referring to are just the active HIMARS that already have their crews trained and ready for combat.
To be honest this guy's videos are filled with misinformation. He reads a few articles as "research" then throws a bunch of things he reads together to create a video that's filled with inaccuracies.
@@aztronomy7457 I think part of it might be that his videos take a long time to edit or something like that. What other mistakes did you spot? His whole 'thanks for nothing' take is pretty unfounded in this video. Just the 4 HIMARS that were active hit more than 20 ammunition depots and command centers in just under a week. Its noticeably decreased the amount of artillery fire from the russians. Imagine once they get all 16 combat ready or even have more than 16 supplied by the USA. Not to mention, the UK is giving them the M270 launchers that carry twice the payload at the sacrifice of mobility.
@@_Addi_ I think you’re right. When international news stations put out stories (even though mainstream media is heavily biased and often wrong too), they usually have one reporter working one story for a long time to maximize the research and understanding. That reporter is also generally an expert and works in the field/interviews experts often.
Big topics like the war in Ukraine are very complex. You’re trying to make sense of two different countries feeding you propaganda on top of the fog of war. And so like you said, this guy makes videos very quickly and I don’t think he takes the time as most reporters do to really understand the subject. Nor do I think he had the expertise, or the capability.
Sure he was a veteran but honestly that doesn’t make you an expert in warfare unless you were a high ranking general. And as far as what videos I was talking about, his videos in the first month or two of the war, especially about the Russian convoy, were incredibly misleading and filled with bad info. The problem with TH-cam is you can pretty much get away with anything since you’re not “mainstream” and so you don’t have that Fox News /cnn target on your back, and people don’t know any better.
@@_Addi_ he essentially uses the Joe Rogan University method of understanding a subject, stitching together things he found on google until he comes up with what he thinks is a story. Lots of TH-camrs/podcasters do this and IMO it’s one of the reasons there’s so much misinformation out there.
@@aztronomy7457 Yep, I can definitely respect that. Its why I have so few people I actually respect and watch on a regular basis. One guy I watch on the regular will do hours of research, live with fans, before making any strong statements about a topic.
I dont take peoples word, just because they were involved with the military in some way either. Big example of military folk getting stuff wrong/straight up lying is the whole UAP briefing that happened a lil while back. It was laughable. A fighter pilot even went on a documentary and lied about one of the clips so blatantly for clout, it was hilarious but also quite sad.
Glad that history now shows and continues to show just how effective they are.
One commentator described the HIMARS impact thus: "The Ukrainians are basically going through all the Russian ammunition dumps with a big red marker." :)
And commentators know absolutely nothing about that but how to tell people what they want to hear. A commentator don´t know more about Himars than a person from the streets you pick at random. No evidense of Himars actually hitting anything exist. They could be all broken down now and we would not be told. Ukraine has Smerch units in greater numbers that can do precisely the same, so why should this handfull of himars mean shit ? The Russians all the time knew they had to stay safe from Smerch attack, so the Russians were already staying safe from Himars when they got there.
The HIMARS can also fire GPS guided anti tank rockets , several precision guided warheads break off from the rocket and can destroy multiple tanks/vehicles at once.
Weeeeeelllll, it's scattered mines to be precise.
I heard those tank things tend to move around
Uhh it’s actually cluster grenades but the good part is there’s 640 of them (for each rocket)
precision does not matter when russians will happily bombard a stupid area radius.
If it is guided, its not a rocket!
The pod with a single rocket isn't an M26, it's an M57E1 ATACMS. The M26 was removed from the US inventory in 2009, Italy destroyed its stocks in 2015, the UK and Netherlands got rid of their stock in 2013 and Germany got rid of theirs in 2015.
The current 6 round pod is the M31 ( M31A1, M31A2) which is a 200lb unitary warhead.
The M26 could shoot out to 28m, the M31 out to 57.2m and the ATACMS out to 186m, since we've not heard of any rocket attacks in russia I'd say Ukraine only has M31's.
Himars is awesome weapons. Our army already destroyed several dozen of russian ammunition depots and command centers. Now we have 8 Himars and additional 4 on the way, also we are waiting for 9 M270 from Britain, Germany and Norway. 🇺🇦🇺🇲🇬🇧💪
The British and Norwegian weapons will definitely arrive. I'm also happy to see Ukrainian soldiers receiving training in the UK. I wish we had started to train the UAF months ago.
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on anything coming in a hurry from the Germans. They were warned repeatedly about being in the very situation they’re in atm but corruption, greed and stupidity seemed to have won out in the end. Let’s see if they actually learnt from this or if they suddenly develop amnesia to this current mess in the next 6 months as is so common with some European countries.
Keep dreaming , it ain't gonna make a difference in the long run
@@rofigueroa08 Do you always like your own comments? That’s pretty sad .
@@fuzzy5610 what? You think I'm the only that speaks the truth? Their are just as many real people out their that don't fall for the bs and propaganda. You are actually the sad and pathetic one.
Poland are in the process of ordering 500 HIMARS, and like all European armoured vehicles, they migrate east this time of year.
Given that, it should also drive the production costs for the vehicles and munitions down once again, maybe back to the $40k per missile, and the vehicle to about $2-3 Mil.
If that happens I can absolutely see some newly built extra's being picked off the line for shipment to Ukraine.
500? I doubt it.
@@karmpuscookie they are ordering 500, but it will be another matter if they get all 500 (since the US itself only has 300)
but perhaps it will create an opportunity for the US to ramp up production and get more for ukraine, and for themselves if they need it
@@karmpuscookie Report in The Defense Post 7th June 'Polish Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak has announced that the country will acquire 500 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) to support its military modernization efforts.'
Ordering 500 doesn't mean getting all of them till the end of the year. This is not like producing a simple car. If you order these amounts it could take till 2025 or even 2030 till they are all produced.
I was a HIMARS Crewman. I was in the first course given to Marines at Fort Sill and graduated top in that class. I have spent a lot of time with them and had a lot of fun experiences in them.
They first hit ammo dump, bridges and airfields. They did already more damage than what they cost. Sounds pretty successful to me. You know what's expensive... That Russian flagship the Moskva Ukraine sunk. It was 750 million dollars! A fighter jet cost 30 million dollars. They lost 9 of those today.
A Russian tank costs 3 million and the lost 1,677 of those already.
The Ukraine have been very effective.
Hope it helps you all.........F.....Russia.....
Yet their opposition is still taking Uke territory.
@@feedyourmind6713 there’s still time to delete this haha.
@@randomguy2052 Thirteen days ago..ha ha.
@@feedyourmind6713 huh, taking what now? Those putatin troops are running leaving tanks and artillery
If we did this much with only 4 in stock, imagine what our military can do with 12 of them..?
Hi from Ukraine! Thanks for your help.
i would be okay with sending 20 more
@@alphawolfgang173 and the 300km long range ammo too
They have 8 right now and are being sent 4 more soon so that is 12.
@@yyutti
Right you are! Cheers!
Hello from US! My understanding is that a 2nd shipment of 4 arrived a few days ago, and shipment of another 4 was announced. I hope you guys wind up with another 100 after that.
Все буде Україна! 🇺🇸💪🇺🇦
I'm so hoping they sent some of those M39 Block 1, with half the range of the A1. Nowhere in Ukraine's occupied territory would be safe for identified Russian supply and command posts. Btw, there're at least 8 HIMARS in the country and they have sent shock waves throughout the Russians. So much so that they're being forced to move logistic centers and command posts outside the range of these missiles. Which is where the M39 comes in...😄
What's next after use of m39? Ukraine going to get nuclear bombs to counter Russia's counter of m39?
@@titaniumskunkogkush4365 this is what I’m asking. An H-bomb dropped on Kiev would change the Ukrainian tone very fast.
@John Grigg good luck effectively commanding troops from 40 miles away.
The Brits are sending three of the M270 Multiple Launch Rocket System as well. The French got a lot of these M270 systems in storage and could easily send them to Ukraine as well, but as usual the French are hardly doing anything.....
@@anthonyferguson9783 nukes may be effective destroying chain of command but if the force is capable of decentralized command its kinda useless
If they can be used for hitting Russian supply depots then they can make a huge difference to things. In any conflict, supply lines are critical to whether or not a force can hold their ground or advance. Destroy their supply lines and the enemy offensive will grind to a halt.
Yeah makes sense especially in this war of attrition. Russia is just dumping ammunition on Ukraine to win battles/cities so limiting their supply should help. Having said that Russia is doing the same in destroying Ukrainian supplies and fuel.
As Napoleon said (or someone!), "Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics." It seems this video was all about the "tactics".
Not really, it's a simple adaptation to store supplies in smaller quantity in more places. This increases the need for security and takes away from man power, but it also keeps you from having your whole basket of eggs smashed at once. Russia won't take long to shift their logistical methods to spread out supplies. This will decrease the HIMAR effectiveness in that role. Tie the HIMAR into a counter battery radar and let them smoke every single artillery system firing rounds on a city.
From some unconfirmed rumors I've seen, it's already done that work. By forcing Russia to keep their shells further away from the guns, the Ukrainians are forcing them to rely on their trucks and logistics, which as we've seen in February and March are shit on toast.
And yet we fume when the other side lashes out at railway and road infrastructure, as well as storage and production facilities ...
You're wrong. Each of the 6 GMLRs missiles can hit different targets. The US DoD representantive didn't speak about ATACMs, he spoke about GMLRS.
I'm just glad to see the systems I spent my whole career on are actually being used for once
I hope they do and congratulations for a good job.
From your knowledge are there enough to cover a single region or they can be spread along all the front.
It must be so rewarding to have spent all your career working on a killing machine (instead of, for example, medicine, agriculture, buildind bridges...) and now see how your work is killing people thanks to you. You must feel proud and realized.
Maybe there is a guy in Russia who worked on ballistic missiles and he's praying for the same.
@@rob20bc well, I always wanted to know what type of immoral people worked on this things, now I know. You are killing civilians too, enjoy.
@@rob20bc Chemist?
@Chance Neel no, its causing more destruction, on both sides, plus it is being destroyed and soon one piece will end up in a moscow park. It's a wasted career
Ukraine now has 8 HIMARS 142 systems and will be getting 4 more by August. They will also get 6 M270 systems by August. Those 18 systems are going to wreck havoc. It's almost certain that they will soon have more systems approved to be in in place by late August/September.
unfortunately russia is already learning how to shoot down the shells it fires...
@@bartdekkers8227 no its not
@@bartdekkers8227 LMAO cope harder
@@bartdekkers8227 Don't give your propaganda opinions.
We need proof!
@@bartdekkers8227 The answer is missile.
if that no work use MORE missile.
Atleast 1 will get through.
It does make a difference in Ukraine: since these systems arrived, we enjoy news about 3-4 destroyed enemy weapon storage and command posts every day. The enemy artillery fire intensity went down at least 10 times because of that. If we had them a month ago, we would keep the Severodonetst and Lysychansk cities: the overwhelming rate of fire was the main and the only russia advantage on that part of the front.
Severodonetsk was on the wrong side of a river with no serviceable bridges. The only way they could have held on to Lysychansk is if they evacuated Severodonetsk and redeployed a brigade to it's exposed southern flank.
I hope it remains so because from what I’ve seen they have zero impact if any if the reports are to be believed. The only thing I see have success is Ukraine and nato propaganda. I’ve yet to see anything of substance.
Good luck and Salute from America!
tell Biden he needs to pick up the pace or Russians won't go home. as a tax paying American I'm glad you're enjoying those systems 😊🚀🚀🚀
i wish we would have sent these long ago, i enjoy watching communists get blown up.
This has turned out to be wrong. Tbf, the US upped this to 18 units total so far, and it's had a crippling effect on Russian logistics when used. Not that Russian logistics where good before but HIMARS kills it dead in areas where it is used.
I'm from Ukraine! Thank you for your Himars!❤️
wish we could send more than a handful ! stay safe and be well
Stay safe
lmfao
Glad to know more are coming
Hope your guys get top dollar for them on the black market 😉👌!
I think a key thing the HIMARS and other long range systems does is force the russians to move their ammo dumps and headquarters that much further back from the front. If the 'danger zone' goes from 30km to 70km from the front, that closes a LOT of land for that kind of high value target. Since they always struggle with logistics, more than doubling the logistics train distance will likely hurt their ability to sustain combat. I think the recent reduction in artillery activity shows this. They will eventually regroup and probably come back to near the previous level of attacks, but it will tie up a lot more troops and vehicles in moving stuff around.
If they struggle to keep their soldiers fed now, imagine when all the big supply points are now more than twice as far back.
As well as any kind of vehicle storage or repair points, they will need to be much further back from the front.
Very good comment.
Russian logistics suck, they think they can use railways for everything, but railways easy to attack and Russia has very few trucks, so you have the stupid situation where their tanks have to drive from front line to ammo dumps to pick up their own ammunition - using vast amounts of fuel and wearing out the tanks. The further the ammo dumps are from front line the worse it is for Orcs.
Either that or Russia disperses its ammunition stores, which is difficult for a force that has struggled with road based logistics. And dispersed stores can still be found and hit, it just means more targets for the Ukrainians to find and destroy. If they move them much further back to near the border then they're too far away to supply front line units. So Russia has no counter to these, other than finding and destroying them which is very difficult given how mobile they are and how Russia has failed to gain air superiority over Ukrainian held territory.
No, it doesn#t because it got short range and they can't even get that close to hit anything behind the frontlines.
And the longer range system are even easier to shoot down.
You people watch to many dumb propaganda movies, which fried your brain.
Unfortunately , these missiles are used primarily to destroy Ukrainian civilians . Americans will repay their debt with their lives . You have to understand that. This will not happen now, but in future conflicts. You have shown that you have never been friends, but just cynical hucksters. I don't feel sorry for you.
You're asking Can Himars make a diference? One russian war analyst said that if Ukraine would have get those 2 weeks earlier they most likely would not lose Severodoneck and Lisichansk. And that alone would be a huge diference.
Which country that analyst from. I would call bullshit 4/8 of this would make much difference
@@vanq86 yeah good luck dreaming, I see you in few weeks after fall of several city. than I would like to hear this himar things.
@@vanq86 The Russians fired over 1000 missiles per month in this war and it's not winning them the war. Give a few dozen (much weaker and shorter range) missiles to Ukraine, and suddenly they'll win?
After Himars arrived to Ukraine, Russia hasn't got any advantage at war, not taken more land from Ukraine. Russia has big problems now
Hi, I'm from Ukraine. Yes, half a dozen of Himarses are making a huge difference now. This is a game changer in the whole theatre of war. Having some 20 of them will crush russian fascists' potential to attack and occupy more Ukrainian territories, let alone control already occupied territories.
Thank you US for this. Just send 20 more
16 total have been confirmed, with further plans to give more combat systems in due time.
Get your men trained on them and take as many as you need just don’t let the orcs get their dirty hands on one
200 Ukrainian soldiers are trained to use Himars plus those who are getting trained in Ukraine in real life combat situation.
I hope you're doing ok :)
Push it to the Limit
The "grid square eliminator" was for a full volley of 12 rockets with ICM, not a single rocket.
Which makes more sence, cause you can't eliminate a grid square with 1 rocket, unless that grid square is like 10 meters by 10 meters lol
As expected, another propaganda over hype
@@TEAserOne if a grid is 1000x1000 meters, then each rocket needs to be able to take out 290x290 meters, assuming 12 are needed to eliminate a single square grid.
That's 830 times bigger area than a 10x10 square.
@@magnusbjarni You need nearly 50 M26 rockets to truly and fully blanket a grid. So 4 of the M270 MLRS trucks could pretty much do the job in one go.
@@karlyo6937 Or, you know, that statement was a misunderstanding.
The UK did send over our MLRS surplus as well by the way, They are using both platforms. So they have best of both worlds anyway.
They’re basically the same thing.
@@randallturner9094 except one is in English....
@@randallturner9094 The M270 MLRS is not a HIMARS.... M270 is tracked, which means it can, in theory, get into firing locations the HIMARS may struggle to get to due to being wheeled. In a guerrilla style artillery war like Ukraine is waging, HIMARS has some distinct advantages, but M270's double the fire power and tracks will have their own uses, even if the M270's original Grid-Square-Removal-Service munitions are no longer in service.
Frankly, I'd love to see them shove a BLU-108 dispenser into the nose of a 227mm rocket... BLU-108 being the submunition in the CBU-105 Wind Corrected Munition Dispenser (WCMD)... a traditional CBU-105 dispenses 40 of those little bastards, and they are effectively guided shape charge warheads which shoot downward onto the top of vehicles and absolutely shred them.... give the ability to yeet them 80km or more... and things get scaaaaaaaaaary.
@@Whiskey11Gaming either way, bad news for Russians.
@@Whiskey11Gaming Yep exactly they both have completely different advantages as platforms making the only thing the same about them is munition they can fire like you have eloquently explained here.
HiMars is a very robust and integrated weapon/data system. Its war yield isnt overly impressive but its data link pin point accuracy is Astounding when compared too Russian and Chinese counterparts.
The Chinese Invasion of New Guinea during the Indo-Pacfic war is going to be fun to watch.
Chinese troops on their shitty makeshift Landing boats end up storming ashore and only finding light Australian units. The push inland only to walk into a killing field of Aussie Towed Artillery as US GMLRS Crews obliterate the Chinese Supply vessels. 10,000 Bug men trapped with no escape and dwindling supplies.
Obviously this is just a fun little story.
As in practice the Chinese navy would have been Midway’d as soon as they got out of the Straights of Taiwan by US Carrier Groups and the USS Seawolf, which would have personally sunk one Chinese Carrier and several escorts.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 How far out does Chinese air&missile capability extend from the mainland? I don't think any foreign actor has any real power play options within that umbrella, except submarine assets perhaps. And the Chinese navy is growing at an astounding pace. If they can put those numbers of ships into competent use they will be pretty tough to take on anywhere near their home waters.
That’s how American doctrine generally works. Russian and Chinese equipment generally have more impressive paper stats , but the more nuanced stuff like the ISR capabilities to use them effectively.
And that's really what they're doing- observing the system's effectiveness for the coming war with China. Same way they learned about then- in use weapons from the Persian Gulf and Iraq wars. (Only they forgot the lessons of Vietnam, as we saw).
@@PeterMuskrat6968 We wish. As we know, no battle plan survives contact with the enemy. As we've also seen, Uncle Sam has had some severe problems within the ranks- especially in the Navy. Look at the last several years- the "Khibiny" jammer used against the Donald Cook, 2 billion-dollar Aegis/ Burke Class destroyers taken out by a hit from a cargo ship (The McCain and the Fitzgerald), the Seawolf-class sub that ran aground, the arson and subsequent destruction of the Bonhomme Richard by one of its own crew, etc.
The last sentence fo the video did not age well ;)
That did not aged well .... Look like this few HIMARS made huge difference.
HIMARS- *Yo*
Russian Army *CONFUSED SCREAMING*
We have seen recently that the HIMAR most certainly are making a huge difference.
Where exactly? It has struck a total of 3 Russian targets (One of them civilian) and the Russians are still going.
@@someturkishguy8638 50*, none civilian, and there are some BEAUTIFUL explosions of russian ammo depots.
@@javierititin
And the Himars were operated by ghost of Kiev's baby brothers 🙄
All I see is Ukrainians fleeing for their lives all over the donbass
@@someturkishguy8638 Lol, where do you get your propaganda from, RT?
@@Kayzef2003 ok buddy
And that’s was lie, it makes a huge difference in the battle field .
If the Us/western allies or Ukrainian intelligence services are able to continue to get targeting info for key command and control sites as well as ammo dumps and key targets like bridges or other choke points, I think 8 to 12 of these units could be very consequential in the outcome of the war. It will be interesting to see how they affect things once they focus on counter battery operations as well. (especially with the counter battery/artillery detecting radar systems. Poland wants to buy 500 of these….
Yeah let's start a nuclear fucking war !!!
Jesus....500???? Poland has seen how this movie plays out before lol they want to be prepared
500 what, LAUNCHERS? That’s just too many. This guy’s giving you the wrong impression, you don’t need that many launchers. Just keep them supplied with rocket pods.
@@randallturner9094 That's what the reports from the Polish military are saying, they want to buy 500 launchers. Apparently Polska don't fuck around when it comes to it's next gen artillery park.
@@kalashnikovdevil I have no idea how they expect to keep them in ammo. My god. Still, the launchers themselves are dirt cheap, so neh.
Your sister site, the drive/warzone, on it's Ukrainian Situation Report for today has an interesting tweet from Giorgi Revishvili highlighting the "HIMARS effect". Basically, Russian Rocket barrage tempo has fallen off drastically due to a lack of non explody ammo dumps.
For what he said 4 will cost 20 millions and has been more efective than 15 or more 25 planes that cost around 50 million each. If the USA authorized 39 bi why they dont send at leat 50. 50 will cost 250 millions and will be the same as sending 3 airplanes.
The Russian telegram guys are freaking out. They know the right answer is to disperse their ammo with the various units but their army doesn't know how to operate at such a low level independantly and the higher ups are scared of giving that power to low levels anyway so they are pretty fucked.
@@specialnewb9821 ahh the joys of fighting a top down centralized command structure. One little button can neutralize entire armies.
It’s the reason why Militarized Democracies usually win wars against the backward and filthy Centralized countries. Independence is key on the battlefield.
@@specialnewb9821 Russian logistics was already fcked at the beginning of the war. Now add onto that a truck shortage AND either dispersed or far off ammo depots and they will really start to struggle.
I do not see the same on Russian side - plenty of artillery attacks on Ukraine and plenty of losses for Ukraine today. Russian advance continues.
From what I've read the number of Himars systems currently sent to Ukraine (4) is very carefully calculated and orchestrated to fit within the current training pace, and also to fit within the current logistical pace. This is about the pace the US Army uses when it introduces new weapon-systems to itself. A tad slower to keep logistical lines open for stuff other than Himars missiles.
The fact that the Ukranian army is using Smerch in greater numbers that can do precisely the same as Himars, it is highly unlike and downright stupid if they spent that much time and resources on a few Himars. That Ukraine use Smerch is the best possible evidense you can have that you read something that some simply made up.
@@oletoustrup8572 LOLz. Yeah, Smerch is not HIMARs. As you can see now, evidence on the ground, destroyed ammo based, etc... HIMARs - all 4 of em', have done more for Ukraine than the deluge of Smerch they have. Not saying the Smerch aren't good at - something - but HIMARs are a different level of logistics destruction.
@@ThrashingCode What evidense on the ground have you seen ? Reporters and talking heads saying it on tv and on the web is not usefull evidense. In fact I know of only one case where we know Himars hit something and both sides agreed it was himars. I unfortunately forgot what. The rest is based on claims and with Russia having the worlds 4th strongest army, it is quite certain that a handfull of himars is no big deal. Ukraine according to wiki have 75 75 Smerch units, but they probably ran out of rockets for those and that was maybe the reason they got himarsand to impress the public. Just because you are not being told lies about Smerch does not mean it is not equally good. Its CEP is a little worse but more rockets and larger warheads make up for that. I doubt they can even use himars when it is windy.
@@oletoustrup8572 easy.
OSINT data.
Stockpile data.
Flight data - i.e. tracking the planes that took em' to Europe in the first place.
You know people do this, because western society is amazingly open compared to the ole' Russia clusterfuck.
The US isn't hiding what they send. They provide lists, it's pulled from stockpiles or what not and then it's flown to Europe and sent to Ukraine.
It's not like I trust the US Government or Ukrainian or Russian, I don't. I check this shit myself. All it takes is some fundamental knowledge about how western militaries work and you can easily track this stuff down.
It's a *little* bit harder to figure out exactly the type of ammo, but they do announce they're delivering it too.
On your other topics though, Ukraine builds ammo, so they're not just whimsically running out of ammo. So does Poland and other nations who are supplying Ukraine needed ammo for that Soviet garbage.
"Windy" doesn't bother HIMARs, not even sure where you'd come up with that.
Smerch are relatively unreliable by comparison and they're simply not as accurate on target. They do alright, especially considering where the original designs came from and their reputation. But they're no HIMARs, not even close.
Same thing with the 777. All it's capabilities and light weight characteristics combined make it a substantially better artillery piece than pretty much anything Russia fields. It's why those often have numerous Russian artillery pieces that they've destroyed. Albeit some triple sevens have been destroyed, it's much harder for Russia to kill those than for a 777 crew to kill Russia's.
Anyway, my assertions aren't based on major media or any of that shit, it's based on experience, talking to people in the field working on this shit, and simply looking at available data that is known (i.e. public and open source) to be dramatically more reliable than Government and media related information.
Yeah, you really underestimated HIMARS...
Incredible how some 4 to 8 units of these can make such a massive impact.
Strategic bombardment is the second best method of countering artillery; if you can't hit the enemies' artillery directly hitting their ammo and bridges is just as good in the short term.
what impact? few blown up storages? ukraine is still schrinking
@@Ryanowning And that's exactly what Russia did, they destroyed an ammunition depot in Ukraone containing more than a hundred HIMARS rockets.
@@eliasziad7864 How would the Russians be capable of knowing that the ammo depot they hit contained HIMARS rockets? Ammo, sure that makes sense, but specifically HIMARS rockets?
What impact
Ukraine is losing
Learn to ma read
I bet you are eating your words now. HIMARS are making an impact as it seems like.
totally. this aged poorly. 16 have changed the war and fast.
Didn't age well.
I was in the 2nd fielded MLRS ever and fought in Iraq 2 times. England is sending 10 M270, US says 4 more HIMRS are going finally Germany, France and Belgium are send M270 from the stored fleets.
That is a fraction of the thousands of howitzers and rocket launchers the mobilized Russians will bring with them. They are counted in thousands. Not in hundreds and they got a reliable supply and all of it they need.
Given that the Russian are shooting less artillery I think the Himars are doing a real number on the ammo Depots.
Don’t forget the older MRLS that the UK donated. I am sure they are in use also and they use the same rockets.
I'm sure overall this has been a positive advertisement for HIMARS systems.If they are somewhat effective at a 50km, 80km range, imagine how powerful those systems would be with 500 km range rockets and in a larger quantity
I don't think so because then they would be too expensive to be used widely and so would be ineffective again. Logistics matter, Bro ;)
@@maade9642 I know the US allocates most of its military budget toward transgender bathrooms and other, but..
I would be appalled if they couldn't build at least a 100 of those, having trillions in GDP, billions in the military budget
@@alexshapiro9841 and 100 rockets are fired in what 3 to 4 days maybe? Even this "small" war in Ukraine is now ongoing over months. You would need thousands of this rockets to make a difference in an ongoing war and even for USA its a difference if the rockets they shoot like candy costs 100k or 1 million. And a rocket like you described would cost more than 5 million each. Look at the patriot, as example.
@@maade9642 US spent $754 billion on defence in 2021. $5 million * 10 000 = $50 billion.
If you judge just by the numbers, I think they could easily stockpile thousands of rockets. But maybe there are production bottlenecks.
This must be an old video. Ukraine now has 8 deployed, with 4 more on the way and longer range rockets too. And yes, it is being a game changer.
12 rocket systems and several thousand rounds won't cut it.
@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 I disagree, if used wisely that small a # can still do a lot of good; it depends on what targets they are used on. Hitting ammo & fuel depots, command posts, critical infrastructure ect can win battles, if not the war.
Do we really know that is the real amount, though? Maybe they are announcing small numbers so that rus can't make excuses about escalating but in reality we sent more stuff?
Some times people lie in a war...
@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 I from Ukraine, and can proof utility of himars, every day they destroy 2-6 major supply depo , it might sound insignificant but in reality it cutter down artillery fire from russians by nearly 60% , and this is huge number considering amount of artillery russians posses , it saves a lot of men at the frontline,
@@hendrikvanleeuwen9110 It is doing a good job trying to cut it.
They now have 8 and supposed to get four more. They've already used them to destroy multiple ammo dump, one big enough to register on seismometers in Sweden. It also apparently killed a of division & brigade level officers. The Ukrainians are using very effective shoot & scoot maneuvers, pre-positioning a pod of 6 rockets at a location, having them roll up, load, fire and then scoot to the next site.
if they can apply the HIMARS to specific targets, and not get defeated by counter battery or the russians air supremacy, they will for sure have a positive effect. hopefully they have a targeting system that is quick and easy to use, and hopefully they are getting lots of good actionable intelligence from everyone...
And if they can utilise advanced surveillance systems that beam in the coordinates....
@@xisotopex Russia doesn't have air supremacy it has air superiority which it is slowly losing every day
I'm Ukrainian -American. We have received between 4-17(most likely 9) HIMARS or analog to HIMARS systems from West. It huge game changer, thank you, uncle Sam
Why is everyone so happy to support a government and armed forces that has been happily torturing citizens since 2014?
Yeah your welcome to my tax money 💰 😕
Congratulations 🥳
@@tomstarcevich1147 do you want me to wire you 20 bucks, that you stop bitching ? America is about democracy and freedom and for that my people are fighting. If you think there is no corruption in USA at all, you are delusional. None is saint
This videographer appears to me as a strong pessimist for a technology which has shown, already, to be EXTREMELY successful beyond wildest expectations. I simply do not understand his position on this issue. His take is that of a "johnny raincloud" that I would never want on my team for fear that he would suck the morale and winning team spirit right out of every member of my group. I suggest that he watch the morale speech at the beginning of the movie "Patton", to better understand the importance of a "winning attitude" and of faith in, and knowledge of, one's equipment, towards the winning of a battle. The Ukrainian soldiers demonstrate this incredible positive approach to winning, every day, with the results signed in blood.
Honestly the vast majority of his information is not really credible. TH-cam is full of "I used to be in the army, so I know what I am talking about at all times" people who have little idea what equipment is capable of. You can find people in the comments who have been in HIMARS crews and the difference between them and chris.
Nice summary. I’m thinking the effects on Russian logistics may be greater than alluded to in this episode.
Good point, with so few units (sad), they need to go only for high value targets: depots, fuel, HQ, airfield.
But you need eyes on the ground to identify and/or drones and satellites… and those are slow.
@@ricardoabh3242 it is already making a difference. To a point the kherson occupation government fled their administrative building fearing an attack.
And all you need to do is see how much less artillery fire comes from the Russian side in the last day.
Russia had huge logistics problems since day 1.
@@SebThorson then it makes sense to hit them where it hurts most. Which Ukrainians have been doing since day 1 with great success. In any other scenario the forces are so disparate, they wouldn't have stood a chance.
@@dgurevich1 pretty sure Russia been hitting the same
Can US HIMARS Rocket Artillery Make a Difference? Yes it can, and it does.
Only thing that Ukrainian forces were lacking was long range precision weapon.
Yeah and my tax paying money 💰 money not well spent 😒
@@tomstarcevich1147 it's cheaper to fight russia in Ukraine than in a world war situation
@@tomstarcevich1147 our tax dollars are being spent for decades for Israel. Now you’re complaining when Ukraine is fighting a tyrant dictator invading a country who wants to be a democracy?
You’d be bitching about Nazis invading Poland too
@@tomstarcevich1147 Dollar figures dont matter when you can just print more money.
@@tomstarcevich1147 cheer up dude. It's cheap prize for keeping US troops away from frontline
Slight correction for minute 2: The Germans also made heavy use of rocket artillery during WW2. It is just the name that might be misleading - they were called "Nebelwerfer". The Germans even had self-propelled ones, such as the "Panzerwerfer 42".
chinese had them too 2000 years ago
@@halburd1 well, more like since the 13th century; alas mainly for ceremonial fireworks
@@halburd1 : 1,300 years to be precise....but industry limitations and technology meant that they weren't made in sufficient numbers and were replaced by conventional firearms - "gonnes", if you wanna call them that.
@@embreis2257 , the rockets my ancestors used were exactly just that - ceremonial fireworks, militarised for anti-personnel use. Although they were eventually superseded by more modern designs of firearms the Koreans saw their value, and developed a rudimentary form of MLRS for naval use.
Indian armies, upon embracing gunpowder, also developed similar weapons primarily for use as anti-cavalry, anti-elephant role. Later, Tipu Sultan of Mysore developed a more devastating form of rocket that used a metal tube welded to a sword blade, for use against European armies that favoured thick linear formations.
spoiler alert: it did
HIMARS is extremely accurate and each rocket can be programmed to hit a specific grid (individual small structures for example). If you can get a grid for it HIMARS can wreck it.
It helps to understand that these are missiles, not dumb rockets. Comparing HIMARS to GRAD doesn't make sense.
Oh this video aged like gold. Do you regret making a video to completely embarass yourself by showing everyone you have no clue?
Haven't they sent 8 systems and promised 4 more already?
Another question is how many volleys can one Himars realistically fire in one night while moving to a new position after each volley. I feel the number of rockets is more of a limiting factor than the actual launchers atm.
Plus Russian drones are constantly in skies now, and would be feeding back location data for their own artillery and rocket strikes to destroy much more expensive and rare equipment. And several HIMARS have already been destroyed, according to on line.
They don’t fire volleys. These are precision rockets, they fire one or two, destroy the target and move on.
Ukraine is a big country. More systems would let Ukraine cover more areas.
I would just like to say that I really appreciate the effort you make with your video's. I am from the UK with zero military experience, but these are informative, entertaining and well researched. Keep up the good work sir 👍
I did not invade Ukraine! I did NOT. Oh HI MARS
I understood that reference , I see you are a man of culture haha the room is a favorite of mine
@@Taskandpurpose yes I have been a wizard for many years and my knowledge of real culture is vast (but now I have a gf). Anyway I hope those HIMARs will heavily penetrate the deep special areas of Russian military. Thanks for a great video!
I remember that during both Golf Wars the Rocket Launchers would move up WAY into the range of enemy artillery, set up, all the various rocket launchers quickly fire their rockets at the same time (like within 10 seconds every rocket out there had been launched) and then quickly retreat. Basically a perfect example of "Shoot & Scoot" missions!
I imagine that the Ukrainians are doing the same!!!
I remember the great Golf Wars when Tiger Woods would mercilessly pound on his adversaries.
@@oginsights5340 I thought the Golf Wars were going on right now between the PGA and LIV tours? But, I don't pay close attention to golf.
Sept. 8 "Our regiment has lost many men from the 'katyushi' which belch out terrible fire"
Sept. 13 "An unlucky number. This morning 'katyushi' attacks caused the company heavy losses: twenty-seven dead and fifty wounded." Diary of a German Soldier, William Hoffman - Stalingrad
Poland recently ordered 500 HIMARS. Given it's performance in Ukraine - they are making a huge difference by targeting ammo and fuel depots and control centers - it's Russia that soon will be too afraid to escalate.
Eh, they have always been afraid. Putin is full of bluff. If he stepped to NATO, there wouldn't be a Russian Army, Navy or Air Force in a week. The fact that Putin throws around so many threats shows how truly scared he is.
Yes. Russia thought that they could not loose an artillery war with Ukraine. They are now beginning to understand that they have no defense against modern artillery systems - and likely cannot win with their obsolete artillery systems.
I suspect that the Baltic States and many other NATO countries will also be ordering sizable numbers of HIMARS in the future as well. While theoretically Russia does have a similar system, its production numbers have been very low due to financial pressures the last decade and they are way outgunned by the number of existing HIMARS and LMRS.
I like this Idea
Russia is already scared to escalate. We should call Putins bluff and send it.
I guess Poland might like a close playmate to temporarily share their new toys with too. If Ukraine had 100 or better 200 then their hostile border regions could be properly covered and as long as France and Germany don't supply #russiapariahstate with precision guidance electronics then they couldn't counter battery the HIMARS.
“More rockets are more better” - Russian Generals, probably
Ofc they think like that If they fire enough rockets they maybe even hit a military target one time
@@KennyNGA or even better, a hospital or school
"If they send more--" But aren't we sending more? I am pretty sure I heard more are on the way. Also, while I agree they need to hit expensive targets, ammo dumps are very. . very important. It's the one advantage Russia really has is vast quantities of ammo. Destroying it is, of course, an obvious benefit. Russia naturally has so much ammo that they could probably eat even that but what they don't have is good logistics. Dumps and supply depots are vital to the Russians and if they are destroyed? It becomes a lot harder to supply their artillery. . . which has been the edge they've been leaning on hard in the east.
More are on the way.
Bingo! It doesn’t matter how much ammunition they have in storage if they can’t get it to the front!
Yep many more coming including plenty more rockets. Several M270s reportedly arrived in Ukraine today. This is about to get exponentially bad for the Russians. If I were them I would seriously consider pulling back to the pre Feb 24th lines, digging in and hoping Ukraine doesn't decide to push them out altogether.
@@wilberwhateley7569 And if fuel depots and Truck repair facilities are 80km back that means all logistics fail not just ammo. A starving LPR, DPR, or RU soldier is a good soldier.
Seems like it would make more sense to destroy roads/bridges being used to transport supplies by the russians.
Stopping in 3 months later to say "yes"
Devastating American Precision and Mobility
The fact that we are giving them these pieces likely shows that we may have something better than this and we aren't even showing the world. Or like what I saw a few years ago, we are likely employing artillery rockets that likely fires a drone that can hit a target from 250 miles away
This nonsense again........can't even be bothered to check the ORBAT can you? Would call you an armchair general, but you are a disgrace, even to them.
I'm sure we have 250 mile rockets. But not small enough to fit inside a HIMARS.
@@soulsphere9242 Exactly! All these idi0ts talking about why America is powerful fail to understand why it is so. Its the more mundane things, not superweapons that make USA strong.
@@dgd947a15fl ATACMS fits on the lone HIMARS pod, does it not?
The most key thing i think you sort of missed out on is logistics, logistics, logistics. The most important thing in the war is cutting russia artillery ability, eliminate there cruise missiles with anti air, and attack there ammo stores to prevent them from firing thousands of rounds a day. And we can see it real time a total slow down of artillery along most of the fronts starting about 2 weeks ago. If russia has to consolidate and ration artillery shells, they wont be able to take another city, and if they try it probably wont end up like mariupol or lysychansk because they wont be able to level a city in the same way. And if only 2 maybe 3 rocket types max are over there and only 4-12 of them its going to be a hell of a lot easier to keep these reloaded and off the radar due to the ammo pack system, thats huge benefit over all russian artillery, you dont need anything other than a truck to carry the ammo packs and just drop them off in the woods. Bayraktar had an extreme impact right away but is almost useless now to do anything like hunt arty, but with all our assets looking right down on this one part of the world to help ukraine i think guided long range weapons can finally do what they were always designed to, slow down the red horde by destroying there command and logistics.
I remember thinking some years ago that it is the purpose of having in Finland only few dozens of modern multiple rocket launchers (compared to hundreds of traditional artillery), but it seems that there really is a purpose. (And we have also longer range missiles than in Ukraine)
The Himars is probably useless when its windy. Unguided rockets goes where the wind takes it and you can´t predict the wind that will hit the rocket at such a disatance.
I like how these military equipments cost millions of dollars, while they are a basic truck or tractor with a crane, and some armor plates bolted onto it.
Electronics. Unsuprisiongly Rocket Artillery needs a ton of datalink stuff to receive data and guide rockets.
@@nonyabisness6306 This is going to be the military controller vs the x-box controller case again. Not to be stupid, I understand that military equipment has to be sturdier and very heavily tested.
But looking at a truck, seeing some armor plates bolted onto it, and that 5 million, it makes me a bit suspicious. Like 5 million? It's not even composite armor, and it's bolted. Crane's can be found at many civilian trucks.
Thinking here, the cost is probably the military system, but 5 million? For a rocket guide from an RC plane? Even the guiding is something that exist in civilian life. 5 million is a lot.
@@Kareszkoma I checked, the price included "all ammo required". So I'm assuming a full load and some reloads.
According to a paper I found on wikipedia the Carrier, aka the Truck costs 0.5m, the launcher 2.9m and the rest is ammo.
It's undoubtedly overpriced, but part of that is development costs divided by number procured. Similarly to how the F35 is super cheap, but only because a lot are made.
500k for a truck isn't actually that bad when you consider armor and electronics upgrades. High-End Trucks allready cost more than 200k for civilian models. Military equipment also has to be more rugged and reliable, so I assume that adds cost as well.
@@nonyabisness6306 500k technically in the open market is not so bad. Because these guys have to go into the desert or hills, or rocky terrain with 60km/h, with 6-20t on their back. Which civilian trucks don't exactly do. Also it's a technically small company, and not national effort doing the research.
The launcher.. ehhh.. yea. Kinda brutal. Weirdly expensive. Would've expected the ammo or something to be more expensive. The ammo is quite cheap in comparison.
I knew there was some hidden price there that is big. Well it's the launcher. Anyway, probably there is reason for it, or not. As you said, production and order. Even the tooling can be expensive for such a thing. Thank you for doing the research and for the kind answer. Hope you have a nice day.
I hear that 30 HIMARS launchers will be in Ukraine by the beginning of August, and some ATACMS missiles.
I hope so. Ukraine needs those and uses them very well. These will make a difference. Especially ATACMS with their range since these will be able to hit Russian logistic beyond HIMARS' range.
Source?
Yup I would like some intel from where you got your INTEL !
Doesn't help Ukraine if you are having HIMARS wet dreams ...
Besides ... how stupid are ppl - what matters is the ammo not the amount of launchers. If you have 100 HIMARS launcher and 6 rockets does the same as 1 launcher.
Man, this video didn't age well.
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It's only an artillery "duel" if the other side has the range to shoot back. Russian rocket artillery typically has shorter range than their tube artillery.
Grad and Katyusha are short range. Urugan and Smerch may be closer but still less than HiMARS. Tube artillery has no hope if HiMARS is placed out of range.
Smerch and tornado actually out range M143 and M270, they just can't hit the broad side of a barn with it so they aim it at schools and hospitals and other large stationary things
Dude a himars can reach 80km thats a lot compared to russian artilhery
@@fernandorochaferranda7064
Smerch and Tornado-S MLRS have a range of 80km and their munitions are GLONASS guided, so it has the same range as the HIMARS; anything requiring longer range would result in the use of 500km Iskander missiles.
The idea that Russia is outranged by Western artillery is laughable.
@Server Meta Says the Lockheed-Martin ad?
That is complete nonsense
3 week's later......
They, together with the British system (and within a few week's the German system that crew are being trained on) have made a massive difference.
Having to move your ammunition (and fuel) store's further back due to being in range, mean's a longer log trail, hitting the train track's (ruSSia use's train's to move the vast quanity of store's) and bridge's mean's those truck's now need to drive further. Which mean's more fuel used (which mean's less fuel for MBT's etc) the driver's being more tired, more troop's needed to load and unload.
It also mean's ruSSia is spending more time trying to find them, which mean's less time finding anything else.
Do you spend time and valuable drone's finding himar or do you go looking for caesar/krab/pzh2000 (which are also making a difference)?
You can also tell they are making a difference with how ruSSia (and it's troll's) respond's. From saying no difference, to having destroyed all of them or that at least.4 have been sold to them!
So far none destroyed and none sold. No doubt some will get destroyed, it's war after all, but America will replace everyone 1 destroyed with 2.
Is it a perfect weapon? Of course not, but is it proving it's worth? Oh yes.
It’s definitely a game changer and when you consider the aid they have got is very bare bones so far and not a lot for training reasons, Ukraine could come out well but they need to hood the line right now and keep getting supplied with Himlars
Even a single HIMARS could reach the Snake Island from enough of UA territory to make it indefensible and force a RU retreat. So they are not efficient within a large-scale "level the ground we will be advancing on" USSR rocket artillery application, but they are definitely putting well-placed dents into Russian attack lines.
The longer range missiles they can hit to Sevastopol army base. It means that russian warships are in big danger. It's big influence to secure food export by ships
Historical note: another reason the Soviets fielded so much rocket artillery is that they were the masters of the technology. From about 1890, the world's leaders in rocket science (literally lol) were the Russian mathematicians and scientists near Moscow. Book rec: This New Ocean by William E. Burroughs. Love the channel!
Interesting. From WW2 one would get the impression Germany was way ahead of them though…
Yes. Germany and the USA made major strides in the thirties. Just in time for us to club them over the head and drag them back to our respective countries lol
@@bingobongo1615 Germany was far, far ahead of Russia in rocket technology. That’s why both the US and Russia hired German rocket scientists after WWII.
Good news is they already have 8 with 4 on the way. With 12 M142 and the 12 M270s the UK is sending, I think it could make a huge difference.
Thinking the same.. They have 8 with 4 more en-route. This guys info is a bit stale
@John Grigg They will be. The US has over 50,000 of the M30 and M31 copies in it's inventory--and that was last year. Yearly production is 9,000. We're literally producing over 750 a month. That's just standard production (we could easily increase that to 1,000 if need be)--and doesn't include what our allies have in their inventories. There are PLENTY to go around. Hell, we currently have almost one rocket in our inventory to cover all of Russia's tanks, self-propelled, towed, and rocket artillery in their entire inventory. And that was before all the destruction Ukraine did pre-July.
Norway is donating M270s to Ukraine in cooperation with the UK. So far 3 are being transferred.
Our M70s have mothballed since 2005 due to the cluster munition ban.
Fun fact: When I was doing my military service, some crazy person stole one of them and took it for a spin in the town near the base. Before he was stopped it wasn't known if it was part of enemy action, so they asked for volunteers to arm up and fortify the perimeter. From my company myself and a handful others volunteered. The company I was in wasn't supposed to be the sharp end of the stick, though, that's probably why so few volunteered.
Actually, the germans used a rocket artillery system similar to the russian one. I believe it was called Nebelwerfer, it was widelely employed in most theaters, and considered to be very effective, albeit vulnerable to counter-battery fire.
And actually Germany had more rocket launchers than the Soviets in 41.
However, its true that the Katyuscha are the most famous rocket launchers in WW2 and the most numerous
@@bingobongo1615 To be fair, Germany had more (and better) of everything than the Soviets in 41.
@@tired2471 Germany had less than the soviets of everything (except machine guns)... Soviets for example had over 4 times the number of tanks.
The issue was that the soviet army still wasnt ready for war and a lot of the machines were obsolete and badly maintained.
But even then, the Soviets used over 1000 T-34 tanks already in 41, more than the Germans had Panzer 4s at all in 41.
"Actually, the germans used a rocket artillery system similar to the russian one. I believe it was called Nebelwerfer, it was widelely employed in most theaters, and considered to be very effective, albeit vulnerable to counter-battery fire."
The Nebelwerfer (smoke thrower in German) was a towed rocket battery originally developed to cover infantry with smoke. It was later converted to an offensive weapon, but was slow to deploy and fire. It was often towed by animals due to the areas it was deployed in being inaccessible to most vehicles. The vehicle I think you are referring to is the Panzerwerfer (tank thrower) which was a MLARS similar to the Katyusha in concept.
@@bingobongo1615 In 1940-1941 the Germans had far superior equipment than the Soviets did and more of it. That was the purpose of the lend lease program. The US was supplying the USSR with an enormous amount of food, clothing, metal, raw materials, munitions, tanks, and most importantly trucks. It's true that the soviets had a massive number of T-34s, but that was because they were not using many other vehicles in the role of a battle tank at the time. Soviet production lines were streamlined to produce as many T-34s as possible while the German approach was to use a greater variety of more specialized vehicles. Both concepts can still be recognized in the military philosophies of the respective nations today.
As others have pointed out, Ukraine has been receiving significantly more HIMARS systems. 4 might not be a game changer, but 16 (along with several M270 systems that have twice the firepower) is another story. These systems have already been credited with stabilizing the front lines and dealing devastating blows to Russian command posts and ammunition depots, which strikes at the heart of the Russian war machine given its dependence on large, concentrated quantities of artillery ammunition. And given the quantity of HIMARS systems that the US possesses, it's definitely conceivable that the US is planning on sending many more, especially as they continue to demonstrate their devastating effectiveness on the battlefield.
boy russia hasn't really started waging war yet, wake up from your wet dreams of UA winning...this is a US vs RF proxy war where UA plays the role of useful idiots (led by an anti-national nazi government, most of its members have Israeli or US passports!)
What do you think killed all those Russians at that base where they thought they were safe? What do you think is hitting all the weapon depots and supply routes 30+ miles into Russian controlled territory? HIMARS is already doing work, and somewhat shifting the tide. They’re doing far better than most thought they would considering the relatively low number of units.
I heard it was Chuck Norris.
Great way to keep the war going longer ... even though the outcome will be the same
Over 20 ammo dumps, several headquarters, some opposing artillery... in a week. That's a serious result and well worth the cost at 10x.
You can see the fall off in russian shelling since himers became active.
Where can I see it?
@@HATCH5T we have seen at least 20 if not 30 ammo dumps going boom. Not all are large ones, since they do vary in size, but we have seen some really big ones going off. You can find the videos on Twitter and TH-cam
@@HATCH5T im seeing a lot less fires on the frontline.
I remember seeing a proposal to use SBDs and Stormbreakers on M270s, which would decrease their range but increase their accuracy for rapid counterbatery fire.
I 💕 counterbattery fire 🔥🔥🔥
This video is probably the worst analysis I’ve seen. You don’t think so? It’s not just my opinion but the use of the HIMARS during the past couple of months proves the video is garbage
The US has stated they can give 100 HIMARS and it will not affect their operational capabilities worldwide. With what the u.s. is giving them and other countries it won't be long before they have 50 of these systems and that will effectively neutralize anything Russia can do at that point. 🤘🇺🇦🇺🇸
"During the world war 2 it was mainly only the soviets who used rocket artillery" that is just utterly wrong, have you never heard of the Nebelwerfer and its variants used by the Wehrmacht en mass? Or is 5 and a half Million not enough? Without counting the Panzerwerfer. Or the Wurframme 40 also known as "Stuka zu Fuß"
US Navy also used a lot of rockets, especially in Pacific theater, to support amphibious landings.
@@andrewd7112 yeah its such an uninformed and stupid statement
Stuka is my okw build.
There are pictures of Sherman tanks with multiple tubes for rockets.
@@orlock20 Yes, that is the T34 Calliope. Not used in big numbers and only in the last six months of the war in Europe.
"the army that wins is is not the one with the most guns but with the best shots" the internet 2022
The army that wins is the one that gets most likes on fb and twatter
Ukrainians destroy 5+ ammo depots on a working day with HIMARS.
That doesn't mean they can win with just 4 HIMARS. But the accuracy and the range of HIMARS rockets give them an advantage they need.
More HIMARS is always welcome :D
If they are able to require more of them and rockets to them, they might even start taking out Russian artillery systems themselves more effectively. But with limited ammo/launchers its best to attack ammo storage sites and command bases.
Ofc it becomes very important for Ukrainians to keep their launchers well protected....if Russian drones or airforce are able to locate them then they become really vulnerable. But I do hope Ukrainians using them know where to hide the launchers after they have performed the attacks and also to hide the rocket storage sites well too
@@Balnazzardi that's probably one of the reasons Putin visited Iran. To ask for drones
@@dmy_tro well they definitely need them as they dont seem to have much else to safely locate and destroy the rocket launchers.
Putin has lost this war already, he just either wont admit it or realize it.
Seems to be making a pretty decent difference to me. They've taken out more than a dozen ammo dumps. Also, the US is sending more of them.
@01000110 ! comment section full of Kool-Aid drinking Leftist Loons. It's as comical as it is sad. They actually believe Ukraine isn't getting their asses handed to them.
Russia will only scare with strikes on NATO bases. In Ukraine, Russia showed the complete incapacity of its own army, gathering troops from all over the country, bringing the oldest T62 tanks into battle, begging China and Iran for additional weapons. If Russia has not been able to achieve great success in the war against Ukraine for so long, it understands that the war with NATO is simply suicidal, and Russia does not have the strength for this war. If we talk about the possibility of nuclear war, then all people want to live, and I do not think that people who buy palaces and yachts for hundreds of millions of dollars are ready to die for no reason.
Don't be scare by Russia.
Actually it's quite hard to be sure nowadays that putin isn't going to start a nuclear war. I do believe that he is ready for that, he is an old mad ambitious man and he has nothing to lose since he is old. Regarding the palace according to the data sources it's not the putin personally bought the palace, it's his almighty super rich friends made him a "gift", I'm pretty sure that it wasn't his wish initially, he just didn't rejected it. So we can't say for sure that money and some expensive assets are still top priorites for him which will stop him from sending nukes.
You can't talk about logic in so corrupted systems. False reports can and made for russian high command very optimistic picture of capabilities of russian army and economy. Expectations were so high that people in charge believed that army can take Kiev in 3 days or two weeks in a bad scenario. As a russian from first day I saw this war as a very dumb decision that will hurt everybody and make no benefits at all. But who am I, some guy who watches youtube and read a couple books to have the ability to divide reality from propaganda. And again we can't rely on logic when talking about government of liers who believs in their own lies.
Nobody is scared of Russian military, everyone I scared that mad Vlad wants to use a nuke
4 months later, the use of HIMARS has proven key to the recapture of Kherson. The chaos that system constantly inflicted on the Antonovsky Bridge (before the Russians blew it after their withdrawal with reports of infantry fleeing on foot across it), and targeting the rear supply elements was key to Ukraine having a chance to drive a wedge into the southwestern front. Russia is better positioned to sit in through the winter and allow the mobilization spin up equipment production. Still, Russia is going to naturally be on its heels. I feel like this is the time for Ukraine to push. If they can get enough western support, they can overwhelm in certain areas and make land gains. It will be terrible, but it is possibly the best chance you'll get to catch Russia before they can regain the initiative.
HIMARS are actually doing a difference
Russians have lost HUGE amounts of ammo in all those hits. The explosions were ENORMOUS… I don’t think there were any survivors either
Not really since the main depots are probably in Russian territory boardering Ukraine if Russia is smart (also probably out of HIMARS range) , If Ukraine go for those it will escalate probably the conflict and make Russia declare war on Ukraine. Then Ukraine won't really stand a chance. Right now the main thing HIMARS are doing is slow down the Russian offensive.
FYI: during WW2 the German Wehrmacht also had a rocket artillery system (I.e., Nebelwerfer).
And US had rocket artillery system on a tank - Calliope
HiMARS has been around since the '80s in a form called MRLS. Nebelwefer was an area weapon. The rockets of HiMARS have the accuracy of an artillery shell.
The Nebelwerfer. It werfs nebels.
Us brits also had rocket artillery system in that era to.
The Matress.
And maybe the stupid mine launchers.
Everyone did.
I think you are slightly behind on numbers, it’s reported from several sources that Ukraine now has 8 HIMARS and another 4 are being transported.
Still pretty small like around 2-3 platoons of the things.
They don't even have a company of em yet doing alot of damage.