Heaven's Gate | Red Thread
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- Try Rocket Money for free: www.rocketmone...
Get Breakfast for free with HelloFresh: www.hellofresh...
Welcome to The Red Thread, a podcast series where three friends (Charlie, Isaiah and Jackson) investigate the peculiar space just beyond reality. Cryptids, Conspiracies, Cults and more are on the
investigation board and nothing is off limits. What will they discover? There's only one way to find out...
Support the show, leave a rating and remember to subscribe:
Listen on Audio ➡️ linktr.ee/redt...
Listen to other Our Other Shows ➡️ linktr.ee/theo...
Support us on Patreon ➡️ / theofficialpodcast
This is Episode #3, where we discuss Heaven's Gate.
Originally recorded 12/19/23.
Show Notes:
drive.google.c...
Hosts:
Charlie - moistcr1tikal
Isaiah - wendigoon8
Jackson - zealotonpc
Writer/Editor/Producer: Jackson Clarke
Music by: linktr.ee/zayaLT
Produced under The Official Podcast Network
![[#SHORTS CLIP] ใช้ของของตัวเองไปเลยสิคะ l ซานิเบาได้เบา l One Playground](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ea_mTywx2p4/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank you all for the wonderful support on the Red Thread so far. We really appreciate it so much. Please follow us on Audio platforms (link below). We'll take #1 spot from Joe Rogan. Show Notes with Sources in the Description!
Support the show, leave a rating and remember to subscribe:
Listen on Audio ➡ linktr.ee/redthreadshow
@amberb5804 not really
Jackson said the bad youtube word in the beginning of the episode but it’s censored afterwards lol
Heck yeah YOU WILL! And your fans will be supporting u guys along the way! P.S if anyone reads this just know…….HAVE A MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!🎄🎁
we love these please never stop doing them
Weegeegoon is chill in this episode
I like that Jackson pronounces Isaiah's name differently each episode.
"uzayah"
im fucking deaddddddd @@inthefort6003
@@inthefort6003 He's gonna call him Zaza in the next episode.
And I love that Isaiah does not care
@@jakubgodlewski9104 its a beautiful dynamic
"Shedding of the mortail coil" is such a raw way to describe the act of quitting on life.
I'll forever associate the "mortal coil" phrase with the parrot sketch from Monty Python.
I like "slipping into that final sleep"
Is that the first time you’ve heard that?
Thanks for this wonderful episode Chhodie, Shhodie, and Jccodie.
why doesn't this have more likes 😂
@@AlessaParkerLssodie
@@AlessaParkerI’m Lssodie as well
Jssodie
Lowkey best comment
watching Charlie say "we'll summon Marshal Applewhite at 3:00 AM" is one of the funniest things i've seen in a while
I love how during these episodes Wendi spends most of the time giggling while the topic in question is super dark and serious 😂
I don't
@@guero6103 sucks to be you, then
Wendigiggles are something special 😂
@@guero6103No one asked
@@_DMNO_ cope harder
_“They also had $5 in nickels in their pockets, perhaps to pay for the ship fare”_
That’s the funniest part to me. The aliens use USD lmfaoooo
Theyre paying the ferryman's fee
Irs doesn’t take funny money, and I doubt even aliens are bold enough to not pay taxes
@@tvman2181uö klo
And they all speak english (aliens)
Well we don't know the conversion rate! Maybe 5 dollars is like their equivalent of 700 bucks, they're getting a bonus in that point!
Really glad that theres someone like Wendigoon who is actually a Christian and has had a very deep connection with the faith for most of his life to weigh in and explain a lot of these topics which could easily be manipulated without prior knowledge. really adds another layer to the whole thing and always very engaging.
I will say as a Catholic hearing him struggle to remember anything about St. Francis was humorous. But yeah his scriptural insight is very good for the podcast.
He did kind of flubbed up when talking about Satanism in the Goatman episode, since an inverted cross has only really become a "symbol of Satanism" because of edgy teens/punk culture, when in real demonology ANY cross is a christian cross. Changing the direction it's facing doesn't change anything. And on that note, the inverted cross was originally a symbol of St. Peter since he was Crucified upside-down. And there are a ton of other cross-variants mean to tie into specific saints and orders.
The ACTUAL symbols of Satanism are the Three-Pronged cross (aka Judas Priest's logo) and the leviathan cross. So ironically his statement about most Satanists being posers is even more true than he realizes. The inverted pentagram was taken by them just because it was a pagan symbol of good will, and the church is obviously not into paganism, so they flipped it upsidedown because I guess that implies it's "Even more anti-christian!" or something. Sort of like what edgy Varg-wannabes do with Mjolnir and nordic runes.
So yeah, most people claiming to be Satanists are just really edgy atheists/antitheists trying to piss people off, and they have like 0 understanding of demonology themselves.
nah it’s corny as fuck
@@MisterChubz really lame take, but okay
@@MisterChubz Ok, Zoomer.
@@warbossgegguz679this guy was a sunday school teacher not a theologist like you seem to be
I’m getting really strong group project vibes here like Jackson wrote a 25 page essay and now Wendigoon and Moist are here “yeah I don’t know much about it…but if a Psychologist…” trying to present to their teacher 😂
I'd say wendigoon is more like the guy in the group that read a book about the topic a fee years back and is trying to coast off that knowledge
That's an amazing analogy, I'm only going to view these from now on, as a group project in like a history class.
To be fair, wendigoon also has a whole other podcast he hosts on top of this one, and then he has his channel and his videos are usually 30 or more minutes long full of research, so I get why he might not be the one the most focused on the podcast
49:00 "can I read it? I..I just feel like you've done so much..."
Jackson is the only one who remembered to buy a gift so wendigood and Charlie just signed his card 😂
As someone who grew up in a literal and internationally recognized cult, yeah I can easily imagine my parents telling me to eat death apple sauce and me believing I'd go to a space ship afterwards. Cults really are crazy. If you meet an ex cult member please try to help us adjust 😭🙏
my cousins boyfriend was also in a cult! crazy stuff
If you don’t mind sharing, what cult did you grow up in?
@oliviavanbrink Unification Church! One of our guys just killed the prime minister of Japan last year. We didn't plan it though, he did it because the prime minister had ties to the church and he resented the church cause the members give a lot of their money to it. He saw his inheritance being lost to it and was upset, so he wanted to kill the founder's wife (founder already passed) but went for the minister out of convenience since he supported the church.
I'm an American who lives in Japan now as an ex member.
@oliviavanbrink Grew up hating pagans and doing a lot of conditions. Idk if other religions have them, but conditions are like things you do to set up the spiritual preparation for something to happen. So the church leaders would say they need some number of members or families to commit to a condition before an event in order for God to accept it. Then, for some number of days, usually 21 or 40, those people would have to follow a condition. This was usually some type of fasting, or most often bowing and praying. I'd often have to wake up at 5am and bow 21 times to a picture of the leaders, then pray. Every morning we'd wake up early and chant the family pledge in Korean without knowing wtf we were saying lol. And then go to school, see everyone around me as unholier, and pretend to be normal 😭
My grandparents raised me Christian but i fell into a cult in highschool. Thats the best part about living in the middle of nowhere, people worship some crazy shit
"You're getting bullied out of the cult" is a sentence I never thought I'd hear.
It's incredible how you guys can make something so overused by youtubers still interesting to listen to. I love this trio.
I can’t even begin to describe how much joy getting these notifications for Red Thread give me.
SAME
AMeN!
@imperial6049 have checked out CreepCast ? Wendigoon & Meat Canyons new podcast
same
Same brother, heavens gate was one of my first internet research rabbit holes ever, so seeing them cover this is pretty awesome.
“Can’t even join a cult without being bullied”
The amount of luxurious hair on this channel is next level. Keeps needs to contact y’all about sponsorship 😂😂
Jackson's intros are unironically fantastic. He has a great way of telling stories.
Yes!!! I sooooo hope they keep doing his storytelling intros! Such a great flair for the podcast
Apple and pineapple.
It's literally crazy how Jackson can conduct sucha detailed research. True MVP
There's a reason he's the common thread for all of these podcasts. Easily the most valuable member.
tbf his living depends on it more than the others lol@@Yohoat
For anyone wondering, the book at 58:23 that inspired Blade Runner is "Do Androids dream of Electeic sheep?"
And! The same authors work was adapted into Total Recall, Minority Repirt, A Scanner Darkly, Paycheck, Screamers, Man In The High Castle, Adjustment Bureau, Screamers...thats just what I remember. Philip K Dick was an incredible writer
Wendigoon is such a great addition to this kind of podcast. Because theological themes always show up and I am screaming for podcasts to talk about it when I recognize it. He provides a lot of awesome insight. Also a great representative of Christianity. I am agnostic but he makes reading through the bible and its diffferent translations and such incredibly interesting and i am taking a theology class at school because of it. Also the radical empathy on display here for the mentally ill is very welcome in the coverage of this situation. I always viewed it as incredibly sad. Being so ill, and so forgotten that you want to ascend and disappear. You make your own world to live in. I did that as a kid when things got rough. I fortunately I knew the difference between reality and pretend. I always try to relate to the worst people in true crime. I think doing that on a larger scale, but still having an even hand when it comes to rehabilitation and punishment, is the way forward. Radical empathy sometimes can be hard. And its okay to deny certain groups of people it(pedos who have made contact with kids) but i do think we need more empathy like this. Because there are a lot of people who are similar to early Applewhite listening im sure. But they will never go on to hurt anyone. We need to ensure they know that they aren't pariahs and if they're medicated they can almost always have a decent life. My cousin is schizophrenic and I think of him when that stuff comes up.
I’ve watched Charlie for years, never tuned in to the official podcast. I’ve listened to the last two of these on audio without much looking at the screen. Imagine my surprise to learn Jackson is an Australian version of Charlie
Figuratively*. I agree, I can definitely see that. Haha.
Just a lot more talkative compared to Charlie, it seems. In a good way. I definitely see their similarities. Charlie just seems bored a lot
@@raz9305no, literally.
@@s4di.3Apparently he and Tiana broke up
@@s4di.3the technical term is that Charlie has a flat affect.
I feel like Charlie is just here to legitimize the podcast with his divine presence, and offer the occasional pop culture reference
Every single one of them brings their own element to this and they're all perfect for their roles.
Charlie is the one to pull them both back to realty most of the time.
@@OfficialNiceCharlie is such a great realtor.
Still, worth it
Aye 420th like
The fact that Wendi is the same age as me saying he's a 99 baby has shaken me to my core
The fact that '99 means he's 24 got this 30 year old shook af
It was more that we're the same age , don't know why you assume I'm 30
@@dragonslayros I was saying I'm 30
Bruh no way I'm 23 and i thought wendi could be my dad lol. Might be the beard tho
Bruh is only 2 years older than me, damn.
1:56:20 the "away team" is actually a Star Trek reference. Heaven's Gate was super into Star Trek, and they would often watch it together. In Star Trek, away teams would be the specialized crew members that went down into a planet, before being beamed back up.
Man I love Wendigoon. He seems like such a super genuinely cool and nice dude. I'm happy he's blowing up. He really deserves it!
Wednigoon only comes on Wednesdays this is wendigoon
@@th3thatguy631 who's this "Wendigoon" guy? I've only ever seen Wednigoon
@@dgriffin3113weegeegoon
@@th3thatguy631lmfao 😂
Yeah he's got a nice voice and makes good content, It sucks when he gets defensive about the real harm Christianity has done but as long as he just talks about what loves and knows its really good
This one always gives me such chills because I remember watching Hailey's Comet from the front yard of my grandma's house in the LA area when I was 10 and being so excited to see my very first comet, only to hear about _this_ breaking on the news the next day and my grandma sitting me down after school to explain cults to me for the very first time. I heard about Jonestown for the first time during that conversation, too. So eerie and creepy, no matter how much time passes. Thank you boys for covering this!
The comet that Heaven’s Gate were associated with was Hale-Bopp (1997) not Hailey’s (1986).
Just a comment about Wendi saying that he thinks most people claiming religious trauma are overreacting--maybe some of them are, but most of them are telling the truth. My dad started taking me to an extremely conservative church after my parents split up (I was 6) and they were a church that believed everyone is born an evil sinner, and therefore everything bad that happens in your life is god's punishment for your inherent sinfulness. They were telling me, a six year old, that my parents divorced and my dad became an alcoholic and my sister developed severe mental health issues because I was born a sinner and I deserved to suffer along with everyone around me. I tried to take my own life at 8 years old. It didn't work because I didn't know how to do it, so I tried again at 10. I firmly believed I would be sent to burn for all eternity if I succeeded, and I STILL tried because that was more appealing than watching everyone around you suffer because you were just born wrong. Religious trauma is very real and far more common than many people think.
Yeah I think Wendigoon's bias towards Christianity showed a bit there, and tbh I understand why he's of that opinion even though I don't agree with it. Theres a very common belief in the churches I've been to that the negative aspects of Christianity are overdramatized. Mainly because they don't see those aspects of it in thier own church. I'm not trying to talk bad about those people, they're usually good folks, I just get what your talkin about is what I'm sayin I guess.
Alex 200 on things that never happened
@jessemobbs8862 stuff like this happens all the time like your watching a video on a cult that killed themselves because they thought a comet was a spaceship and you think a church saying "everyone is born evil" and a kid tried to kill himself because of that is not possible
@@Hankering5656really dude? Just gonna dismiss them like that with nothing to back it up?
@@Hankering5656these things DO happen. I don't know why sharing it would be a reason to doubt it.
This one's about to be crazy. I remember back when this was happening, my dad discovered a secret on one of Heaven's Gate's websites where they had a bunch of 'instructions' hidden in the HTML for their members, and it was creepy as hell. He ended up getting on the news for it, I'll never forget that.
Do tell what was it exactly?
@@JaredLetoSelfSuck I actually asked him since I was like 8 at the time, and turns out the 'hidden text' is STILL THERE. If you go to the homepage and scroll to the bottom you can highlight a bunch of random words that you can't see normally. Looking at it now I feel like this was an early attempt at search engine optimization or something, but it's still pretty wild to think about.
that's so fun, love that for your dad lmao
thats so interesting do you know anywhere you could find a news clip im genuinely intrigued
Can you link a article, I tried searching for it as it's piqued my interest but I can't find it.
Wendigoon is in every podcast ever and I’m so happy about it
Enjoyed the episode overall even if Wendi almost lost me at saying that most people "are dramatic" about their church/Christianity trauma. I believe it is important to listen to people's stories and use them to advocate for others in your sect to do better. This, in my opinion, is a practice that should be followed by anyone in any belief system that wants to do well by others.
Big fan of these shows! I'd be interested in hearing y'all discuss skinwalker ranch, or maybe some of the fun conspiracy theories like hollow earth or GIANTS.
i second skinwalker ranch
Skinwalker ranch 👍
yes! any of these would be great to hear these guys talk about
is skin walker ranch real?
after all, heavens gate was a completely real thing.
@@jakeeditz03they talked about goat man as the first episode, I don't think it matters whether its real
I wrote a paper on Applewhite and the cult years ago and through my research I found myself believing that Applewhite truly believed what he was talking about. Not that it justifies everything that came after, of course not, but compare him to so many different cult leaders and he’s probably one of the more genuine ones out there. Like I said, doesn’t justify his actions, but it’s something I just find fascinating
What did he do/say that differentiates him from all other religions/cults, why do you think he believed it and others did not?
Yeah I’m wondering what makes you think he believe his own bs.
To me, if he did, he wouldn’t have needed to kill people, and his wife wouldn’t have died. They retroactively changed things after her death didn’t they?
@@lindboknifeandtool could be that since he was mentally ill and just as desperate to believe in it as his most devoted followers he was grasping onto it. He felt he NEEDED this and couldn’t let go of it. So just lie to the self and others
@@lindboknifeandtoolidk man, did he kill people? or did people who also believe in what he believed decide to, collectively, end their lives in service of their beliefs? I think it's the second. ultimately they were adults who followed their beliefs and I can't just blame the one guy for that; this wasn't a forced kool-aid situation
@@registeredjopper like Manson, he’s directly responsible. Their beliefs came from him, their actions were directed by him. He did kill people. It’s completely losing the plot to make such an argument.
Fun fact, he used to teach at my university and there’s a hallway in that university where his classroom was. We call it the hallway to heaven students used to make out in there all the time.
There was also a moment after Bonnie died where Applewhite expressed doubt in the validity of his own teachings, but his followers convinced him to continue teaching. Not sure exactly when this happened but at some point the ball was rolling and the followers helped keep up the momentum.
I don’t think they were bad people at all, they were just searching for something.
It was interesting to see how loose and open Wendigoon was at the beginning. He was joking and ribbing in a way that shows how comfortable he is here. I love to see it.
Jacksons intro story is always my favorite part of the podcast
These guys really do deserve the #1 podcast, their extensive research is amazing and they make the podcast so entertaining, wish the best for these guys
Idk if Jackson went to college but his ability to aggregate and synthesize information into like 20+ pages is incredibly impressive. Thats a skill they dont teach here in American highschools and they really should lol. Maybe its not impressive where hes from. But not just anyone can do that. Got to give him a lot of credit.
Australia lol, this is a fairly simple skill for us
@@lorewhore4195is that the stereotype?
I would disagree, but I was in ap english so maybe it's only taught in those classes.
i think it depends on the school district tbh
@@zachzackzakI was in AP until Senior year (I choose to get out of them bc I never took the AP tests I’m not paying for that) and they really only do teach it in the AP classes. English 4 felt like I was in freshman year again.
According to Count Dankula, the Nike shoes thing had no symbolism.
Apparently they had those shoes just because they got a good deal.
Well if that random guy said so it must be true!
He was right you hobgoblin @@grilledleeks6514
Not really a random guy. He posts similar content to them. He made international headlines due to his freedom of expression being violated when he was charged and convicted of “inciting racial hatred.”
@@WebGrekomon right becuse that has fuck all to do with why the heaven's gate cult picked white Nikes
@WebGrekomon not relevant at all to anything lol
Back when I worked at an IT help desk, one of my coworkers had a Heaven’s Gate screensaver and they never changed it for the entire time that I worked there. Every single day, I started the work day thinking about Heaven’s Gate haha.
What was the screensaver picture of?
Did they come to work on the following day?
@@tuomasronnberg5244 must admit that’s what I wondered
@@tuomasronnberg5244 they did. This was well after all the cultists unalived themselves. Coworker was just AFK shitposting for all the clueless boomers who had to walk past that desk on night shift.
43:16 Wendigoon you really shouldn't say that, there is a lot of messed up stuff that younger people (especially children) go through when it comes to Christianity. Not getting into the (SA), but especially when you have religious parents that force this ideology onto their kids and tell them if they don't accept god they will burn in hell, it can be very damaging to the kid's metal health. Christian families who literally abuse or even disown their kid if they are gay or trans. Obviously I don't think Wendigoon thinks that stuff is alright but dude, please choose your words carefully when claiming that some people are "Overreacting".
Sorry if it sounds like I was overreacting but I think it was really irresponsible for Wendigoon to say.
@@MintTea2005 Don't be sorry, what he said was bad and defensive. He's still a good guy I'm sure but he needs to understand that the thing he is passionate about has hurt alot of people
Yea, I think he meant well, but I kinda wish he hadn’t phrased it like that. Overreacting can and does happen, but there’s also a lot of very legitimate trauma in religion, esp in Conservative Christianity.
I assume the best of him, but the phrasing does work to belittle the experiences of a lot of people, regardless of his intent. Even as a Christian, it kind of hurt to hear; I’ve seen “my” religion wreak havoc on so many people, and I can’t at all blame victims for avoiding and disavowing it.
Boohoo
Lame ahh hell 😂
Isaiah's comment at 43:15 about "When people tell me they've been traumatized by christianity, I usually assume they're over reacting" tells me so much about him I didn't want to know.
Ok
Yeah... I have never watched his content and honestly the way he has represented himself in this podcast series has given me very mixed feelings. I get that in the heat of the moment the words can come out a wrong way but this is not the first time this has happened with him. Something about his attitude "I am devoted Christian, other religious are lesser/lazy" and now understatement of trauma/bad experiences is big yikes.
@@SaatananSukka I like his stuff a lot, I watched almost all of it and he's a great creator. He's also the least bad hyper-religious american white guy who likes guns, mathematically, in that category, he's the least bad for sure. The oof moment in the goatman video where he describes how christianity copted their big bad guy from polytheistic egyptian religion without even realizing it, just to then insult another religion for being derivative was further proof that christianity is just a really bad blindspot for an otherwise alright guy.
yeah i agree. like, to this day i have panic attacks whenever i need to go to a Christian church. hearing those comments make me feel awful, and i almost dropped the podcast
Think it's funny Wendi was like "Wanna do Mothman next to take a break from the tragedy?" when Mothman's whole thing is showing up just before or right after tragic events 😂
I remember seeing news reports of this on TV when it happened in '97 (I was 18 back then), and I became fascinated by their beliefs. Another well done episode!
Apparently, Mr and Mrs Apple weren't crazy, it was actually the Goatman being silly and whispering these 'revelations' to them
Tim apple
Man, the opening music for this podcast is an absolute bop. Gets me hype every time.
43:10 really kinda took me by surprise. Hearing Wendigoon so casually dismiss religious trauma was not what I was expecting.
It makes sense, he’s a dedicated Christian. He can’t relate to being hurt by the church. Wouldn’t surprise me if he held certain beliefs and just kept them private.
I had no idea there was a video with the members' final statements. It's absolutely chilling listening to how they express their thoughts days before they would take themselves out and just their mindsets about it all. It's scary how people can be manipulated in such an egregious manner.
"In an interview with Harry Robinson, the two surviving members said that the identical clothing was a uniform representing unity for the mass suicide, while the Nike Decades were chosen because the group "got a good deal on the shoes". So it was because they got a good deal on some kicks.😅😢
RDR2 had an Easter egg for this event, there was a shack with skeletons covered up and they had matching shoes on their feet. If you went at a certain time of night there’s also a ufo over the shack. Pretty cool but also grim Easter egg
Gta 5 also has the "altruists" cult which is basically a parody of heaven's gate. Even down to their in-game website which looks awfully similar.
"I'm Jesus, goddamnit" made me laugh til I nearly cried. This podcast has been bringing me so much joy; I love seeing Isaiah branching out, doing more frequent content, especially with Jackson and Charlie. This is really something special, boys. I am also very impressed with Isaiah for, as always, not taking himself too seriously and being able to make jokes about faith and Christianity without tiptoeing around it or being awkward, and glad to see the guys being really kind and respectful about him being a man of faith and never making his personal faith the butt of jokes and letting him share his (extensive) biblical knowledge. What a wonderful mix of personalities and humor this is. Well done, lads. Keep it up!!
1:37:49
"If God dies, where do you go from there?" Is unironically a hard line
Jackson is really smashing it. His research and motivation to make a good poscast is admirable!
I’ve heard this case on so many true crime podcasts already but I’m still going to listen to you guys and it will probably be more entertaining than any other podcast I’ve heard on it.
the factuals
This runs your going to get the truth
I love Wendi, and I understand it can be hard to understand others experience when you haven’t experienced it yourself, but as someone with some trauma from Christianity, it’s not really fair to say that people are over dramatizing or overreacting to any trauma. Again I love you guys that comment just kinda made me feel a bit weird… Still my favorite podcast tho😊
He didn't say all people, he said that most people who complain about it are most likely to be over exaggerating. I could be biased about this, however, since I do agree.
@@serpicopiu3591I concur with your assessment. In my early 30s so I've had time to unpack & assess my own trauma. Yeah, usually the loudest ones are the over dramatic narcissists with a victimhood mindset. Which sucks, cause they make folks like me with legit medical & mental damages from such childhood trauma look like liars.
@@serpicopiu3591 have you met a gay person in your life? ever? it's not good for us
@@ledarbyromeo9667 Loudest still doesn't mean most, infact it usually means the opposite. He still brushed of a lot of people's experiences and that was a bad thing to say
@@rillianen4857he is right that some people *do* exaggerate it, he never said it doesn't exist. Yall are dishonest and really wanna see this man fail your purity tests
It’s very rare to find a podcast with multiple hosts where everyone is likeable and has great chemistry with each other. You guys are awesome!
43:23 I think isaiah being a Christian makes him unable to objectively look at the fact a lot people have genuine religious trauma and aren't just "overreacting" and have suffered abuse at the hands of the church
Hard agree. A LOT of us are SA survivors and well and don't deserve to be minimized.
Agreed, sexual assault in the church among many other abusive cultures the church breeds. I hate being that person but some churches are almost cults of their own making.
I'm thoroughly enjoying the show & am looking forward to many more. Also, with as many times that Wendigoon laughs, I think whenever he does it should be referred to as the Wendigiggle.
He has such a delightful giggle. It brings me joy.
wendigoon cracking up in silence at 50:33 is so funny to me 😂😂
completely distracted me 😭😭😭
Idk why but terry nettles just sounds funny cuz it sounds like a cartoon character
just silently dying of laughter in the back while Jackson talks 🤣🤣
@@Dookieman1975 oh, that reminds me of Saladfingers 😅 he loved nettles
50:46 I love that Isaiah is about to fall out of his chair, he's such a good spirited person. Dude always brings joy to every conversation.
I loved the episode guys great job! But i gotta say i disagree with wendigoon about individuals over reacting to religious people, my father's mental health was scorned by his entire community. Religion can infact create very uninformed bigoted human beings, the hate my father received was so bad i cried tears of joy when he died because he wouldnt have to endure that abuse ever again, so no wendigoon i dont think most people over react when criticizing religious people.
Most dedicated Christian’s can’t relate or understand being hurt/traumatized by the church. If they did they probably wouldn’t be one.
So I've listened to a few podcasts and watched a few documentaries on Heaven's Gate, and I'm like, 85% positive that Bonnie was the manipulative one that was a little more rooted in reality, but Marshall was completely convinced and deluded that this was all real. Especially with everything he did AFTER she died.
I would 100% listen to another four hours of this with a super deep dive
I always was interested in Heavens gate and to see my favorite creators talking about it is so cool
@@dankz7061It’s a bit late
Count dankula did a very good video on the subject.
I was gonna say, if you haven’t seen the video made by Dank that the other person mentioned, it’s worth the watch
I also recommend Count Dankula and Lore Lodge/Adian Mattis
I always wanted to drink the koolaid but it’s illegal
It was very exciting when I first saw this line up starting a podcast. First episode had a few awkward moments but seeing the chemistry between the 3 coming together already... All I can say is I can't wait for more.
Love you Charlie, you seemed quiet this episode, happy holidays, you bring us joy
Cheers to this, hoping he's just a lil tired from Christmas get together.
Hope you're doing well yourself. Lot of times it's the quiet kids that notice the other quiet kids. Hope your holiday went well ❤
This is such a great podcast,the 3 of them work well together and Jackson's research is top notch much respect
Wendigoon saying that hypotheticaly what if taylor swift was the heavens gate leader had me 💀
The most horrifying aspect of this episode is realizing I am older than wendigoon.
The weirdest for me was learning I was exactly the same age as Wendigoon.
I remember going out to the countryside to see Hale-Bopp when I was a kid. Crazy to think there were people on the other side of the world planning a mass-unaliving at that time.
Truly one of the podcasts of all time.
Boo, overused, boooo.
Booooo
spongebob foghorn sound effect
@@pacman5415this is the second most watched podcast of all time making it literally one of the podcast of all time
@@nothanks9503 literally all podcasts are "one of the podcasts of all time"
Charlie's ability to always have a pop culture reference is so powerful he can't contain it. Absolutely dope.
To be clear, you don't need to have a mental condition to fall prey to cults like this. All it takes is to have a fragile state of mind, something that can come from something as simple as a traumatic event, or series of events.
Even if you're super well adjusted.
That’s why so many young disenfranchised (usually white) men are groomed into possessing radicalized right wing ideologies because those groups know perfectly how to take advantage of their mental state & slowly but surely mold them into another extremist willing to launch an attack on something they deem “traitorous” for their country.
Innuendo Studios has an amazing video about this exact occurrence that details the dangers of the Alt-Right Pipeline & how it’s trappings are pulled off to create more sad men into angry ones.
Completely agree. Furthermore, EVEN IF your life is going great, and you have no physical, mental, social, financial or other life problems leaving you in a vulnerable state of mind and you're doing completely great, you can still be manipulated by these groups. That's why education and research on these groups and events is so important, because by understanding that Every person is susceptible to these tactics, you are better able to recognise the signs if you encounter a situation like that in your own life. You Are Not Immune To Propaganda
I believe whatever you say....😅
This, and also according to the book Cultish, they will go for idealistic people as well (ie college kids)
Trust me, when you hit a low, you will look for any way to feel better in the moment, disregarding any future consequences. Cults take advantage of that easily.
These episodes drop at the perfect time for Australians to enjoy on a Saturday morning.
I wonder who could be orchestrating this?
I was so physically pumped up to see yall cover this topic can't wait to watch the whole thing 🔥
finding out wendigoon is only 2 years older than me and not in his 30s and thus enough older than me for me to reasonably view him as a completely parasocial father figure has absolutely shaken me to my core
Wendigoons comment abt ppl being dramatic when it comes to being traumatized by Christianity is so off putting
Glad I’m not the only one who felt that way
Pretty expected for a man whose based his life around Christianity.
The contrast is pretty stark here. On one side you have atheist Jackson who compiles dozens of pages of notes on a given topic and freely shares all the sources they come from in the document
Compared to christian wendigoon who just admit he has never scripted any of his videos and never provides sources he gets his info from.
Not surprisingly the latter is the one who will just discount information if it doesn't conform to his chosen beliefs.
Wendigoon's laugh is so wholesome. It makes me smile and feel included.
It would be a particularly dark episode, but I would really like the team to tell the story of the Finders cult, as well as the CIA ties to them.
Charlie is crazy, can’t believe he’s glad 39 people died. Good on Wendigoon for calling him out on it. Can always count of Wendigoon to stay totally level headed
i don’t think he meant it like that.
13:06 - *_"That's definitely not what I'm saying."_* - Charlie responding to specifically you, apparently
11:42 is what Charlie _actually_ said, since you don't know how to rewind five seconds back and it was completely lost on you that Wendigoon was (very obviously) joking.
Charlie was just being nice. Those are rookie numbers. Gotta hit those triple digits to be certain you'll reach the next level. But they gave it a solid shot!
@@ember-brandtI’m pretty sure the original comment is also a joke
@@seanlawless4420he’s joking too
43:24 I was raised in a fundamentalist sect that outsiders described as “cult-ish.” This “not quite a cult” created the curriculum that my homeschooling was based on, and I was taught far-right pseudo-science my entire life. The science I was taught was more akin to creationist apologetics. Christianity was used as a way to excuse homophobia, racism, and sexism. (The women were expected to always wear skirts in public and to be submissive to the men in their lives. Interracial dating was not allowed at the college until about 15 years ago.)
These people oversaw my college education, and as a closeted bisexual man it was an intense situation. I had friends who were found out as gay by those running the college. (not practicing homosexuals mind u, simply people who were attracted to the same sex) The people running the college would blackmail these students into ratting out their fellow queer students, out them to their families, and then kick them out of school.
I have since left the Christian faith entirely. I realize these people do not represent Christianity as a whole, and most Christian’s I meet are lovely people. I find wendigoon’s approach to Christianity as a breath of fresh air, but please remember there are a near infinite amount of different versions of Christianity, and some people will use the guise of Christianity to control others. The trauma is often very real.
Wendigoon also sucks for this shit too hahah. Just don't trust people that base their life around it, it's a good rule of thumb.
Don't believe me about wendigoon? Well the fact he admits he never scripts any of his videos nor does he ever cite sources for his information should tell you all you need to know about how accurate he is on any given topic. You just need to assume that he remembers things correctly, which is stupid as hell.
Dude (wendigoon) does the exact same shit that your teachers did
@@duckheadboboh look, it’s In Praise of Shadows.
I love Charlie is just here for the ride and really only speaks when spoken to. Not saying it's a bad thing, but Wendigoon is good at "stealing the scene." And Jackson, who I didn't know before Red Thread, is very well-spoken and a rather good writer and researcher for his openings and stuff.
Edit: Changed a 'too' too 'to' 😭
😏😉😆
Gotta edit that edit now 😅
You dont need to say what the edit was redditor
@@Nova32x if you noticed, and didn't have the reading comprehension of a toddler, you'd see my edit was meant to be a joke. I get it must be too sophisticated for the likes of someone using "Redditor" as an insult, but keep at those Hooked-On Phonics, you'll get there youngin'
Love wendigoon laughing when he realized the daughters name was right in the quote he was reading after asking this was the daughters quote right lol
I would definitely be interested in getting a follow up episode at some point going over the doctrine and brainwashing methods and stuff. Don't let all of Jackson's effort go to waste
43:14 it’s a little fucked up to doubt the truth of someone’s religious traumas or think they’re just exaggerating about them solely bc it’s never happened to you as a practicer of the same faith.
i have two friends who were raised in cults. like two honest-to-god, documented cults, much like heaven’s gate but more christian and less alien-y. when they met me, i was still christian, and when they told me ab their experiences, i didnt doubt them for a second, even though my church experiences were great.
im sure wendigoon didnt mean anything hurtful or mean by this and i dont wanna cause a big stink over it, but it just rubbed me the wrong way hearing him say he thinks most ppl are exaggerating ab their religious traumas. like, dude… trauma is trauma.
Yea I’m the same way, I have some religious trauma myself and that comment just kinda made me feel icky. Love Wendi and don’t think he would ever actively try to hurt someone but it was just and odd comment to say
I wish Charlie would add a bit more to these podcasts, he always just seems to be the peanut gallery
Have you ever seen one of his videos? He's kinda made a career off just saying everything exactly how it is in an extremely bland manner. I wish he'd add more as well, to everything he does
I mean that's what he is, not everyone has main character syndrome and charlie is someone who could and nobody would be able to tell him otherwise. If he doesn't have it a lot less of the losers in the comments should also
dude gets paid millions to sit in front of camera for exactly 8 minutes and give the most low effort, bland commentary about a topic possible, i find that low effort brain rot content should not be rewarded, what i'm getting at has got nothing to do with "main character syndrome" or whatever you're talking about
@@eighty92ye not sure what that guy is saying. If youve watched the official podcast he'll just sit there staring into space for ages and not say anything.
@eighty92 millions is an extreme exaggeration
I love Wendi, but please lets not refer to those with religious trauma as "overreacting".
i understand it was a throw-away comment, and i am glad you have had a positive experience with faith, but not all of us have - and frankly, it's not for you to judge.
Big love anyways, looking forward to more episodes soon!
I’m glad you mentioned this, because I didn’t see anyone else comment on it. It’s so hard for dedicated Christian’s to understand or fully empathize with those permanently traumatized by the church. I’ve spoken with someone who tried to blame it on the victims. Like it’s their fault …..
I’ve been really enjoying this show. Originally came from the Wendigoon channel, but Charlie & Jackson are super fun to listen to also ❤
Since it was brought up a few times, I wanna throw out the idea that the "Heaven's Gate Away Team" patch was a reference to Star Trek, especially given the idea of being "beamed up to a ship"
I’m only 30 minutes in so don’t know if they bring it
Up. One of the people who died was Thomas Nichols who was Nichelle Nichols who played Uhura in Star Trek TOS.
@alphooey What? Nichelle Nichols died in 2022, what are you talking about.
Looks like they're missing a word in there. Thomas Nichols was Nichelle Nichols' -brother-, and she even gave a statement about him to CNN after the events iirc. There's actually quite a few Star Trek references in HG propaganda, possibly due to his influence but it was also just hella popular.
I have been so happy to see a new episode come out the past weeks, can't wait for the next one already
Loving this collab! The content is great but what really gets me is Wendigoons endless giggling! Keep up the great work gentlemen
Jackson cheesing when he thinks he messed up the narration is funny cuz if you were an audio listener you wouldn't even be able to catch it. It's when you see him cheese after the most minute "mess up" is when you catch it. I love this series. My favorite group although I wouldn't mind guest appearances in the future
I just want to say I absolutely love every single one of these episodes so far, the trio relationship that you guys have is like what my parents would say full house was in the 90s, you can’t stop watching it
God I love this podcast so much literally my 3 favorite creators
I think the best synopsis of this I've seen was how Aidan Mattis from The Lore Lodge opened his video on it: "What if Jesus came back, but as a gay man from Texas?"
Aidan Thornburry (his editor/friend/camera guy, who is also off screen): "is THAT where this is going?"
I found Wendigoon about a month ago and I watched A LOT of his videos in a very short time. I'm very glad I found him and now I followed him to this podcast and hearing you 3 interact and laugh it's great! The chemestry is amazing! I'm so glad I found y'all ❤
This might be my new favorite podcast, been a fan of charlie forever, wendigoon since the first conspiracy iceberg episode, i hadnt heard of jackson till this episode but im definitely gonna check out his stuff after this. always nice finding new pockets of content you hadnt heard about before.
The red thread is now my tied as my favorite podcast with the official one
50:48
Jackson: *giving information relating to the topic at hand*
Isaiah: *having a giggling fit*
The intro and outro music for all the podcasts go so hard which is just the icing on the cake for how amazing the podcasts are
Nothing says Christmas like Heaven’s gate!